April 25, 2024 • 49 mins
Colin gives his 3 big predictions ahead of tonight's NFL draft. He unveils his final Mock Draft featuring a big trade for an NFC contender to get their QB of the future. Plus, NFL insider Dianna Russini joins the show with a surprising report about another potential blockbuster trade for a team in the top 10
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh Ride, It's Draft Day Thursday, live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Good night's sleep,
Ready to roll. Tonight is the night of nights. Been
a draftnick for thirty years, twenty years, however long you've
been doing this. Love the NFL Draft forever. Jmak. I
think you feel the same way. It is now almost
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its own professional sports. We talk more about the draft.
The ratings for the draft are bigger than most sports
regular season games. Tonight all in streaming, radio, audio, TV.
Massive numbers for something that have just grown and grown
and grown. Now they're moving it around the country. It's
in Detroit, great city. So I can't wait for tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, teams have done a great job keeping things under
wraps as to what's gonna happen at two three, Like
there's still some mystery that hasn't been the case in
recent years.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
All Right, my final mock draft one hour from now.
So uh draft rumors this morning. The rumor is three
teams have called the Chargers about that number five overall pick.
I've been told the Chargers want to move down. Here's
my three big takes tonight. Number one, Arizona has eleven picks,
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two in the first and three in the third. They're
gonna win the draft. They're gonna get the most good players.
And the reason the draft tonight is gonna get bigger
rating if you take their TV ratings on the two networks,
it's on than any NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL regular
season game and some of those playoff games in those
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sports is Arizona. Arizona does what happens to one or
two or three teams a year. You change your entire franchise, right,
six or seven of those draft picks out of eleven
become starters. Four or five are really good starters. And
remember Houston did this last year and they went into
a draft without a quarterback yet. So Arizona's got all
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these picks, all these premium picks, and they've got a
star quarterback. So I think Arizona wins the draft. They'll
come out of the weekend the most improved team. My
second take is the most fascinating team will be the Chargers.
They want to move down. That's why Jim Harbaugh has
been on this. JJ McCarthy's the best quarterback in the draft.
He wants people to believe that because he wants more
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of a frenzy in the top five picks so he
can move down and improve his team. So he's trying
to create urgency. Harbaugh also may select several Michigan players
they want to move down. I'm told I'm not sure
they'll get a taker. I think New England probably gets
to take her at three. But I think they'll be
the most fascinating team. And finally, the Chicago Bears will
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make the discussion last for twenty years. Twenty years from now.
There's a possibility the only draft we talk about of
all these teams drafting tonight, my guess is the Chicago Bears.
It's hard to explain how a nept they have been offensively.
They have never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards.
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How is that possible? They've never had a quarterback not
one throw for thirty touchdowns in a season. The Packers
have done that eighteen times, teams with four different quarterbacks.
The Chicago Bears butcher quarterback like rock stars trashed hotel
rooms in the eighties. They just can't get it right.
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They even when they draft talented people, they screw it up.
But this Chicago team is different. The general manager is
a former player. He's had a great last year. They
have good wide receivers, two of them, good tight ends,
two of them, a nice running back who can catch
the ball. In the offensive line, Ryan Pulls the GMS,
a former offensive lineman. It's a pretty interesting young offensive line.
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And this is the draft hard to screw it up.
Best quarterback talent arguably since Josh Allen or Andrew Luck
and the Bears have Carolina's pick, so they have number one,
and they're gonna take Caleb Williams, a guy who doesn't
throw interceptions and scores a lot of touchdowns, and behind
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bad old lines. With one receiver of note, Jordan Addison,
now a Viking, they led the nation in offense the
last two years. So this is my take, Arizona comes
out of the weekend. The most improved team the Chargers
draft they furiously want to move down will be the
most fascinating and the most historic for an NFL historic
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franchise will be the Chicago Bears. I think they finally
get quarterback right and even they won't screw it up
draft tonight can't wait. One NBA story worth talking about today,
Not sure if you watched it, but the Celtics, and
this has become sort of a regular thing, lost at
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home again in the playoffs. They are six and seven
at home last two years. Ask yourself a question for
all those who push back on my cynicism. Maybe that's
too strident a word, but my questions about the Celtics,
ask yourself this, name the last great NBA champion that
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was bad at home in the playoffs. Now, Miami was
absurdly hot. Miami shot forty four to threes and hit
twenty three of them over fifty three percent. That's insane.
Won't happen again an all time playoffs shooting night. But
it's sort of a theme, now, isn't it. This great
Celtic team loses a home playoff game, and or Jason
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Tatum can shrink late in games. One of those two
things happen sometimes, both with sort of regularity. And here's
the thing with the Celtics. Be totally honest, there's nothing
to fear about the Celtics. MJ and the Bulls physicality,
intimidating Shaq, Kobe Shack coming downhill, intimidating that blizzard of
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talent with the Miami Heat, Lebron and d Wade in
their prime, intimidating. There have been a lot of teams
you fear Steph clay kd embarrassing you with an onslaught
of threes, blowing you out in the playoffs by thirty.
Fear the Celtics, well, they're deep. Nobody fears the Celtic.
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Nobody's afraid to go into the garden. Certainly not Miami.
In fact, I would argue that Miami creates fear playoff
Jimmy Heat cultures on the jerseys more than a slogan,
it's who they are. Will Spolstra out coach your coach
Layton games. There's a lot to fear about Miami. Nobody
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wants to play Miami in the playoffs. Yet last night,
after beating the Celtics in Boston, Jimmy Butler is trolling
the Celtics. Got an Instagram post showing him in a
Celtic jersey, says, don't let us get one. You do
not troll Mike Tyson in his prime. And if all
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these good NBA teams were heavyweight fighters, the Celtics feel
more like Larry Holmes than Tyson. They'll jab you, but
the knockout punches not that memorable. I don't know. Fear
is supposed to be a real thing with great teams.
I mean, the Spurs may have been boring, but they
would mechanically and efficiently wear you out. Lebrond Wade in
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their prime. Watch out Steph Clay, kd shack Downhill, Kobe
on the perimeter, MJ's relentlessness, the Bull's length and defense,
Phil Jackson's coaching. Who fears the Celtics. They're not even
good at home? I mean, now the pressure's all on Boston.
Miami has home court, and Miami has the better coach.
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Here's Charles Barkley after.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
This was a shocker to me.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
This team. Let it started last game. When you're up
thirty four, and you let them back in the game.
You get from thirty four to twelve. They probably got
some things going. But number one, you have to say,
you say, what the hell is going on when those
guys play at home? Even and I'm not even just
talking about tonight, but for the talent they've had the
last four or five years, to be five hundred at
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home is something I don't even know how to explain
that exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Go look at the past four postseasons. Celtics are like
hovering around five hundred under five hundred at home. That's
not the way it works. Shaq and Kobe, d Wade, Lebron,
MJ's bulls. I mean, they'd lose an occasional home game.
You didn't want to go into that building. It was
an L almost always an L. Boston. It's a coin flip.
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And now the pressure's all on the Celtics, all of
it home court advantage, Miami, better coach Miami again. The
Eastern Conference is so weak as they roll through it.
It's almost like college football. If you're play in a
weaker conference like Clemson for years and you roll over everybody,
and if you come from a stronger conference, the Big
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Ten or the SEC. You kind of look at, are
we overvaluing when we do this? We overvalue teams from
weaker conferences who bullyball teams all regular season. Once again,
Boston all the pressure, losing home court advantage. I don't
like to say cynicism, because I do think Boston should
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roll through the East. But it is hard to explain.
Does anybody fear the Celtics? And what would you fear
about them? They're deep, That's not really something you generally fear.
A relentless player, yokich an, unstoppable player, efficiency, maniacal, tough, physical.
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I'll tell you a team that worries me. I wouldn't
want to play the Knicks. I got nothing to lose,
house money. Nobody plays harder than the Knicks. They're winning
in Jalen Brunson's playing poorly. What do you fear about
the Celtics? But they got talent. It's the NBA, so
it's okay. See those Minnesota jam Marck. That was interesting.
I don't know. I still think Boston's gonna win the series,
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but it's Barkley's on this. How do you explain it?
Four years now? Not very good at home?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I'll try first of all, we gave out Heat first
quarter yesterday. I remember on the show Hold Your.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Notes plus Your Night, Philadelphia plus the points, best bet
on the board.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Well, they're they're favored Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, Philadelphia, excuse me, minus five. They're gonna they're gonna
blow them out.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I think they waxed the next but real quick.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So do you remember the twenty fifteen Warriors, the first
year Curry won the title. They won sixty seven games
and all season long. Barkley and the TNT crew, they're
soft jump shooters. This team's not built and they fall
down two to one to Memphis Grizzlies and Tony Allen
and those guys.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah and everybody, Oh, Warriors, they were frauds. That's what
this feels like.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Miami Heat have a fluky game, make twenty five, twenty
three threes.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Everybody's saying, Austin, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I saw somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Kevin O'Connor, the guy who comes on here, said the
Celtics would get swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
They can't match with it.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Like all these guys are hammering the Celtics off one game.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But it is more of a theme. It's not one game,
it's four years of being mediocre at home.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I'll buy that that's an issue. I don't understand why
they come.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Up layman it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Denver is not only good at home, they have an
altitude advantage and they have a great player, whereas Boston
has Jason Tatum, who we continue to worry about closing
out a huge series.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Who's we I'm not worried about Tatum, Celtics and five?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Right, come on, neighbor's supposed to sweep these guys.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
All right? Yeah, what a day?
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
All right, this is my final mock. I'm going to
get one pick, right for sure, and that's about it.
But let's play. Let's play the game. This is kind
of my gut feeling. I do have one trade in it.
I'm not going to try to guess throughout, but I
do Minnesota wants to move up. They may not, but
I kind of think they accumulated a second first round
pick to move up, and I think I know who
they like, so here we go. All right. First pick
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is easy. Chicago getst Caleb Williams. They've got really nice
weapons Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Gerald Everett, Cole Coment DeAndre Swift.
I think Ryan Poles has done a really good job.
I was out on him early. He whiffed on a
couple of receivers, Chase Claypool, Vilis Jones, but we have
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to be fair in this business. His last six or
seven moves, I've loved all of them. Montez Sweat, we
loved everybody else didn't. I think Ryan Poles is the
GM for the future. Caleb's the quarterback for the future.
That was an easy one. I'm gonna go Jaden Daniels
to Washington. That's what I've been told by a sore
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side trust. I think Drake may may have a higher ceiling,
but I think they go with a kid that can play.
He's the Lamar Ja. They've been watching him in Baltimore.
Now they get there. Lamar Jackson, highly productive, lots of starts,
beautiful deep ball, Terry McLaurin, Cliff Kingsbury. He can sort
of hide that average O line for the first couple
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of years. I think he's terrific. I have him at
two and he's ready to play now. I think the
Vikings are moving up and I think they want Drake
May and I think they move up to first to
get him. I think they're moving up somewhere to get him.
And this is my guess. Listen, the kid had twenty
sixteen d's in one pick on third and fourth downs.
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He's a little raw. So was Mahomes. So was Lamar.
So was Jordan Love, so was Josh Allen. He's the
youngest of four boys. That's a really good sign. He's
never had elite weapons all over the field. He's had
to elevate others. I think Drake May goes to the
Vikings at three. New England, by the way back to eleven,
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Cardinals take Marvin Harrison, arguably best player in the draft.
They don't have a very good receiving corps. It's Chris More,
it's Michael Wilson, it's kind of guys. They have a
tight end. I like a quarterback. I love a running
back guy like a lot. This rounds it out with
a defensive coach. They've also got three thirds another first.
Harrison is money as good at college receiver I've seen
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since maybe a Calvin Johnson. And now it's up to
the Chargers. I think they want to move down. I
don't think they'll get any takers. Jc Labham is the
Latham is the right tackle of note in this draft.
Plays like a bully people mover. They call him violent hands.
He's classic Harbaugh. I don't thin I don't see him
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getting a receiver again in the first round. Quentin Johnston
feels like a semi miss to this point, and now
we go to six. I don't think they want the
fourth quarterback. I think they're gonna get a star receiver.
They're Daniel Jones Molik Neighbors. Listen, the LSU's a receiver factory.
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He's a playmaker. Led the nation in big time catches
thirty four catches of over twenty yards. So my guess is, oh,
you know a lot of these LSU receivers end up
being really good and really productive in year one, and
they just have a lack of weapons. Now that Saguan
Barkley is gone, Giants take elite Neighbors. I think the
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Titans would move down and get another tackle. But Joe
Alt's the best one. Right now at left tackle, a
true left tackle, So I think they take him Notre Dame.
He's athletic, he was a played a little defensive end
tight end in high school. Brian Kelly told us this
week their only question was could they put weight on
him and get him over three hundred pounds. I think
he's really good. I don't know if he's Trent Williams good,
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but he's a very very good left tackle. And again,
if will Levis is going to succeed, he can't do
it on his back. They get a left tackle. I
think Atlanta Jarrett's a good defensive tackle, but he's getting
up there in age. I think they go with Byron Murphy.
They upgraded their offense in the offseason. They went and
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got Kirk Cousins, they got Darnell Moody, Ronde all Moore.
They are stacked on offense. They're going defense, and I
think they're going to go on the inside with a
d tackle. I like Atlanta a lot. I think they
win their division. I think they have great offensive pieces.
I think they'll be one of the highest scoring offenses
in the NFL. But to score you need the ball,
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and to get the ball, you got to make stops
and they'll get a big guy inside. Bears had the
fewest sacks in the league. I think they go with
Dallas Turner, the edge out of Alabama. He's consistent. Listen,
Alabama edges Will Anderson, they do well in the NFL.
And again, I think the Bears are more than talented
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on offense. And I think Matt Eberflus head coaches make
more than gms. Will pound on the table and say, listen,
we got a corner in Jalen John, We got Montez.
What you gotta give me a complimentary edge rusher and
this kid's a you know, Alabama edged rushers in my
life have done pretty well out of Nick Saban's program.
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Here we go. Jets take the smart decision. Offensive tackle
Oregon State, highest graded run blocker, Taalaisi Wanga out of
Oregon State. Again, right tackle, you can move him inside.
I don't want to hear about Brock Bowers. He's a
tight end. He's very good. History is rough on tight ends.
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In the first round, even Kyle Pitts was a lock
and it hasn't worked out so far. They went and
got two old tackles, Go get a young one. Go
get a bedrock right tackle. This is the move to
make I take him at ten. Okay, the Vikings traded
this pick to New England. They get a number one
receiver in rome A doonsay, a grown up productive to
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play got better every year with Michael Pennix and Kaitlin
de Boor. Listen, New England has a million needs. They
need draft capital and weapons, and I'd argue that right
now is almost more valuable than a quarterback. And they
may just they may be a Jayden Daniels fan and
he gets taked by Washington. I think it's circumstantial. I
think they're gonna sit and wait and to see who
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Washington takes, and if they take the quarterback they have
higher graded. I think New England moves down and gets
a wide receiver. I don't love wide receivers in the
first round, but this kid's really good. I think the
Broncos would trade back if they could. But if JJ
McCarthy falls to them, I think Sean Payton sees a
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guy that's got mobility, won a lot of games, had
an NFL coach in college, so he's clearly coachable. He's
used to hard coaching. I don't love JJ McCarthy. A
lot of decisions are split on this. I think it's
too rich to draft Boon Knicks or Michael Pennix. JJ
McCarthy falls. I know there's this rumor everybody's moving up
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to get him. I think he'll be drafted at twelve,
which is much more appropriate for his skills, and I
think the Raiders don't have the draft capital to move up.
I don't think they're going to do it. Tom Tellesco's
history as a GM is not big swings moving up.
And I think they take Penn State's tackle Olufushanu, who
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is a really good pass protector, doesn't play with enough physicality.
Maybe Antonio Pierce brings that out of him. But again,
I don't have a problem ever taking a tackle in
the first round. Outside of center. The safest position to
take in the first round in the last twenty drafts
is tackle. Offensive line guys with fewer than any other positions,
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wide receivers, tight end with more. So there you go.
I don't know if I get any more than Caleb Wright.
Joel Klatt joins US Live. He'll be on the NFL
Network Draft show tonight. By the way, Brock Bauers the
tight end is really good, but outside a wide receiver,
tight end misses more than any position in the first
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round in the last twenty years. Some of this I
would propose to you. I would submit that it's because
in the NFL you have to block to the tight end,
and outside of Iowa, a lot of programs don't ask
their tight ends to block. My first round, first thirteen
picks is a lot of tackles. I got a lot
of tackles here, am I nuts? What's your guess on that?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
No, it's a really heavy offensive tackle draft, and they're
all very good players. All of those guys are going
to get selected in the first round, and I think
everyone that you have will get selected in the top fifteen.
So you're absolutely right on that one. I mean, who's
throwing the ball to Roma doonesday? I mean, just like, well,
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I don't want to understand that one. New England cannot
move out of three unless they can guarantee themselves that
they're going to be in a position to draft one
of the top six quarterbacks. So there's no way they
would trade back to eleven, have JJ on the board
and then pass on JJ. They also like JJ, but
you're right in the fact that they want to move up.
They're trying to get up into that top three for
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Drake May because this Jade and Daniels not even smoke,
but the rumors and everything about him in Washington, that
is very real. Right now, you're gonna have Caleb, then
you're gonna have Jayden, and then the draft really starts.
Is someone coming up for Drake May? And is New
England willing to deal that pick? I think that's all fascinating.
And the other part that I would just I would
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just throw out is I want Jim Harbaugh to take
Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Just because because that's like the college guy. I mean
that just wants to see it, right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
You know, It's funny that the Chargers are interesting because
they do want to trade down. They need a center,
a tackle, a receiver, a tight end, a defensive tackle.
They have some needs. They have two fours.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Now let me jump in im. Sorry, but whatever, It's like,
you and I do this really well.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Tight end. You brought up tight end. What if I
told you let me just play Devil's advocate on tight end.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Now I get it what you're saying about first round
because all the guys I'm about to mention were not
first rounders. However, you can't show me a team maybe
other than like Kansas City their first super Bowl, but
they still.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Have my homes.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
You can't show me a team that won a super
Bowl because their best offensive player is a wide receiver.
And so your sentiment about like I don't love a
first round wide receiver, I might be with you on that.
Even though some of these guys are very talented. However,
check this out the last eight Super Bowl winners, every
single one of them, they had a guy and I
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would argue as a primary offensive weapon in the passing
game that owned and operated in the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Of the field.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Yeah, Cooper Cup with the Rams drunk and Travis Kelce.
So these people, including you, which you did it? You
want to devalue tight ends because of Kyle Pitts. I
really legitimately believe that that Harbam might think about brock
Bauers there now if he could trade back, like with
Minnesota or someone to get brock Bauers in the middle
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of the first round. He is so offensive line and
tight end driven. This has been his blueprint everywhere he's been. Yeah,
I just think Bowers has a lot more value than
maybe people want to give him credit.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So what's really interesting to me? There are two teams
that I think should take a quarterback first or second round.
Jets don't have a second round pick, and it's the
Jets and the Cowboys. So I think the kid at
two lanes.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Thing other than the obvious, other than like the obvious
quarterback needs.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, so if I was the Cowboys, I would consider
PENICX if he drops or or Pratt in the second round.
The Jets front two ends. Yeah, Jets would have to
go to the third round or moved out in the
first to get a second round pick. But I do
think Rogers. I think you have to get somebody sitting
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behind him, somebody that's maybe a bit raw, and I
think Dallas has to consider that. I'm sorry, if sixty million,
fifty eight millions, what I gotta pay Dac, I'm gonna
roll the dice. I mean, I've only got two playoff
wins in eight years? What do you make? How far
do you think Pennisnick Bonnicks fall? Because I've heard this
from two GMS. Denver's too rich for either, twelve's too rich,
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fifteen sixteen teams are more even the Rams at nineteen,
I think would consider both those guys. Is there a
chance Knicks or Pennicks fall out of the first round
in your opinion? What say you on your ear evaluation?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
There's always a chance. There's always a chance.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Now there are six specific quarterback need teams in the
first round, and I hear you about that that twelve
spot with Denver maybe being too rich for a Knicks
or Pennix. The problem is Denver doesn't have a second
round pick, so they might be forced into this, and
they also don't have a lot of ammunition. Like let's
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say Denver loves JJ McCarthy or they want to maybe
try to like move up. Well, everyone would be looking
at their roster and saying, the only commodity that we
value is Patrick Stirtan. They're not treating Patrick Shirktan. So
then you look at draft capital. They don't have any
draft capital. They gave it all up for Russell Wilson
and Sean Payton. So Denver may be forced into a position.
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We're at the twelfth selection. They can't move they don't
want to move back, or can't move back based on
who's available and the value there, and they might be
forced into selecting one of those guys. I think Nix
has been, in my mind a fit for Sean Payton.
He likes a guy that wants to operate from a
more of a point guard mindset. Yes and hold the ball,
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and that's what Nix is very similar to Drew Brees
in terms of that mindset. But to your original question,
I'm actually, if I I had to bet my own money,
I would be betting tonight that all six of those
quarterbacks are taken tonight in the first round. I really
think that we're going to get all six of them.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So I think the quarterback that's most interesting to me
is Drake May because like Jordan Love or Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, he's not quite there yet,
needs to be refined to Tad get the right coach.
But the draft has shown us in recent years. Draft
the traits, if you have the right coordinator, draft the traits.
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Don't get too caught up on college production. That's circumstantial
based on coach. You know, Jade and Daniels got two
more years to start over. Drake May. Drake May lost
a great receiver. NCAA took him out late. So, I mean,
the Drake May thing's fascinating. I didn't watch a ton
of them. I watched two games, and I thought I
got a good one and not a good one. But boy,
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he looks like Herbert. He completely looks the part. What
say you on him?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I could totally agree.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
I think his upside is as high as anybody except
for Caleb in this draft. If you take Caleb off
the table, Drake has the highest upside of anybody. He
makes throws that Jayden Daniels and JJ McCarthy and even
Michael Pennox and Bo Nick's only dream of making off
platform throws. He's highly competitive, which actually got himself into
trouble without a great weapon set around him at North Carolina.
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He was trying to do too much. And by the way,
that that's also kind of the same mold that Caleb
fell into at USC this year. Yeah, they tried to
do too much based on their competitive spirit, and I
think that's what got them in trouble because now that
you get into the draft process and people are like, well,
he wasn't efficient enough. Well, candidly, I get so upset
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at these I'm sorry, like I'm gonna I get so
upset at these draft people because they want these players
to play specifically for their draft evaluation and not for
the actual win in front of them on the field.
It's well, he didn't complete enough. You know, his completion
percentage wasn't high enough. You show me a guy that
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protects his completion percentage, and I'll show you a guy
that does not win. Now, I know that Drake didn't
win at an incredible clip, but he was trying to.
That's the competitive spirit I want. Youngest of four. You
talked about a very athletic family. You know that he's
tough and he's got a tough spirit about him. The
throws he makes and I would just say this, and
I know you watched this game the Holiday Bowl, not
this last year, but the year before when he played
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against Oregon Dan Lanning's first year at Oregon. He made
a couple of throws that made me come right out
of my seat. And their throws that nobody else makes.
And if this guy sits for a year, he will
be a top ten quarterback in the National Football League.
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
In my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Awesome, So the Bears, I said my three takes on
the draft, Arizona with eleven picks, two first rounders, three
and the third will be the most improved team Monday.
They'll do a Houston. They'll do a Houston, but Houston
went into the draft without even having a quarterback. So
Arizona's got the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Wh But why not? Why not Chicago? Though?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well no, so I said Arizona will be the most
improved team, cause I.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Don't, right, I'm saying why not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because it being a rookie quarterback and a good divisions
hard the Chargers will be the most fascinating draft. The
Texans just did it well, but they weren't super Bowl.
They were they they over at Cheat. We loved them.
It was a neat story. Chicago's not going to be
a super Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I did that neat story.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, I mean, I think Chicago's going to have the
draft that in twenty years we're still talking about because
I think Caleb's going to be their first star quarterback ever.
I mean, they've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns.
The Packers have done it eighteen times with four quarterbacks.
Bears have never done it once. This will be for
a blue blood franchise the draft twenty years from now
that you go, remember that draft we got Caleb Williams.
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Yeah so I so, by the way, but.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
You still think so in twenty years the Bears will
have the best draft. But Monday it's going to be
the card.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, No, Arizona's going to be the most improved team overnight.
Chicago's in a division green Bay and green Bay and
Detroit are stacked. Those are the best two teams in
the division. And I think the best coach maybe in Minnesota,
and if Darnold is okay, they'll vie for a playoff.
Arizona's going to get seven starters out of this thing
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in a division where Seattle they could. Yeah, I mean,
I just think they're goetting.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Again, there's a difference between the best team Monday. I'm
being realistic about Caleb. So let's pivot to this. I
think Caleb's going to be twenty four touchdowns, eight picks,
ninety passer rating, spectacular, little rough gotta win by shootouts
in this division. It's an excellent division and they finish
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eight to nine. Is that reasonable? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I'm actually more bullish on Chicago. I think if you
look at the quarterback needy teams the ones that are
likely to take a quarterback. The two best possible situations
to go into are Chicago and Minnesota because the weapons
around the young quarterback right you you outlined that when
you were going through your mock. I love this idea
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that you have of like Dallas Turner potentially slipping past
Atlanta and getting to Chicago. If that were to happen,
or even if they were to go like Jared Verse
or something along those lines, I think that you could
be in a situation where, for the third straight year
you have a team the National Football League have both
the offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year in Pro football.
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We had it with Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson, last
year with Will Anderson and c. J.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
And if you got a top end, you know, edge
player at nine, Chicago could be in that mode as well,
offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year. I get it
about the division, I'm less I'm less enthused about Minnesota.
I like Kevin O'Connell, I don't know. I don't know
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for me, like, how is this Darnald young quarterback situation
going to go? In particular, with Justin Jefferson, Like, when
does he start getting upset about not getting the ball
or not getting the ball on time? Is he going
to be willing to allow these quarterbacks to grow or wait,
I'm not sure. Whereas like, Caleb's going to a place
where he's going to be the guy. There's offensive weapons
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around him, and there's an organization that is in a
much better position to succeed than they were when they
drafted Justin fields. They reminded me much more of the
Houston Texans last year than the Carolina Panthers. I think
we would all agree with that, And that's why I
think we might be selling Caleb's impact on the National
Football League next year short. I think it could be
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pretty profound. This guy has a skill set that we
have not seen come out of college football ever. Ever,
he's a mixture of a great pocket passer and Patrick Mahomes,
and Mahomes didn't have any of his pocket presence or
schematic presence when he came out of Texas Tech. And
yet you've also got the ability to be off platform
outside of the pocket and be an absolute weapon throwing
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the ball down the field. So I think we might
because we've seen him for so long, and people get
turned off with the nail polish and the crying, and
I think we might be selling short Caleb's impact on
the NFL next season.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Okay, I don't dislike that. I just I think Green
baand Detroit are stacked. I think those teams are really good.
You know what, if Caleb gets drafted number one to celebrate,
I could do nail polish Monday.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Why not go all in on him.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, don't bring it up unless you can do it.
I mean, you saw Harbaugh, he got the tattoo. He
claimed he was going to get a tattoo, and he
got his tattoo. So now all he's got to do
is get taken number one, and you're wearing nail polish Monday.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Let me think about it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Give me a segment to think about it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I feel like you're back tracking. We're backtracking. What are
we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
NFL Network, Joel Klatt have fun tonight. I'm jealous. That's
one of the few nights I like to be on
the road and work. Good stuff. Klatt, great, see anybody
that division is going to be crazy. What if the
Vikings get Drake May and the Bears get Kayla Williams.
I'm gonna have Jared Goff, Drake May, Cayleb Williams and
Jordan Love Holy. I mean, that's insane talent.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
I want to go back to something Clatt said.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Did he really say there is momentum for McCarthy to
go two?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't see what are we doing that that happens?
You started this. Here's a guy a year.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Ago, say in November top ten, but I did not
say anywhere near number two I had of May and Daniel.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
This would be Colin.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I'm told, I'm told by somebody who's been three for
three with me in my life on sword sourcing that
Jaden's going too. But again, but again, I I mean
Bill Belichick says, until twelve hours before the draft, are
not sure. What if somebody sweetens the pot and gives
them two firsts and they're like, all right? I mean
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what if New England at three like somebody at two,
but not at three? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Well, that's probably why we haven't seen any trades yet, right,
other than that one vikings culminating.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You just don't know. Everybody thinks they know. I've never
seen a mock draft, even in the first round. That's
fifty percent, right, I've never seen one. If you get like,
I know I'm going to get the first pick, right,
I think I'm getting the second one right, and I
think I got Tennessee at Joe all feels right?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
How about this over under two and a half trades
in the top ten tonight, which be too rich?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Now under that's too rich. Teams don't want to trade up.
They do, like A prime example of fascinating to me
is the New York Giants. So the coach and the
GM won a new quarterback, they do you look around
the league, Daniel joneses, arguably of the sixteen NFC teams,
the thirteenth best NFC quarterback at best tenth in the
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AFC is the better quarterback conference. So I look at
the Giants and they're like, man, we can change everything.
You've got a GM and a head coach that could
be in trouble. So it's that that the Giants. I mean,
I know two things. The Giants want a quarterback. They're
praying somebody falls to them. But they don't want to
move up and give up because they have some elements
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Cavon Fiebada. They've got good defensive linemen. They're pretty good
in the box defensively. You don't want to give up
any of that stuff, and he can't give up too
much draft capital because you need it for pieces.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
So it's like Giants Vikings.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
There's some really chargers. There's about four of these teams
that I think Dallas. I don't think Tennessee wants to move.
Chicago doesn't want to move with their first pick. I
think the Jets are happy where they're at to go
get a really good tax.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
There's always mystery team. Do the Raiders? Jayden Daniels falls.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Here's the downside to getting Aaron Rodgers, all right. The
only reason you got Aaron Rodgers because Zach Wilson busted,
so you were kind of trapped. You wouldn't have gone
if Zach Wilson played, so you had to. What you
did is you kind of reached and gave up stuff
because you whiffed it too. So that's the danger of
whiffing on a quarterback. Oh, we have to go get
a quarterback in New York. We've been bad forever, right,
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So you go get Aaron Rodgers because you whiffed on
Zach Wilson. Well, the downside, they're doubling down on that.
Now there's rumors they're gonna go get a playmaker. That's
not what they need. They need multiple picks. They don't
have a second round pick. So the problem with the
Jets when they hear that story, a they whiffed on
a quarterback, so then they had to kind of get
an old quarterback who is prickly in a veter organization.
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Green Bay was like, take him, and then now they
may double down and go, let's reach and move up
for a receiver. It's like, oh, Jets, that's not what
you do. So even with Aaron, the whole story with
Aaron is simple. If Aaron plays every regular season game,
you'll be a viable football team. If you're the Jets
get out of the Super Bowl, talk can you be viable?
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Can you sell your stadium out in Week fifteen? And
if you win, you have a chance to be a wildcard.
We can get to lower your expectations. Who's winning the division?
Colin Buffalo. Again, the best quarterback wins the division.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Mostly in the league, Stefon Diggs is gone, like five
starters on defense are gone.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know what, they were winning that division. Pri Stefon Diggs. Okay,
Lamar Jackson ends up getting to the playoffs every year.
You know it's funny, Patrick Mahomes this year, worse receiving
core in the league won the Super Bowl. Anybody quarterbacks, right,
you'll make the playoffs over the Buffalo Bills wide receiver room.
You can just bring another safety in the box, Josh.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Allen, you're not going anywhere, buddy.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
The Buffalo Bills are heading And you know, I don't
want to say it too loudly with the Bengals f
in here, but this t Higgins wants out.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Trey Hendrickson wants to trade that Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Window for the Bengals starting to shrink. Joe Mixon's out
of town.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't think you're wrong on that. Well, Bills didn't
win the division before Stefon Diggs. I'm told they were good.
They made the playoffs. They made the playoffs with a
Tyrod Taylor. So you got a good coach, you have
a star defensive front, you got a star quarterback. Now
they have a running back that's really good, an elite
tied at They're gonna be fine, Buffalo's gonna be fine.
You gonna be fine. Okay, is fine. They're not a
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nine to eight team. They're not a nine. New England's
not going to score this year. They're two to zero
right there, and they're not getting swept by the Jets,
and they're not getting swept by Miami. So you got
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Speaker 1 (41:22):
All Right, Diana Russini, the athletics senior NFL insider cover
the NFL for almost a decade. All right, this has
got us all worked up. She's out there doing what
she does. This is crazy. So he just got into
this discussion. Look at her. Look at her smirk on
her face. That's somebody that's got information.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Smirk is My smirk is because you're fighting the information
rather than just sitting back and hugging it and embracing
and feeling grateful for your You're so mad that the
rams are making calls in the top ten right now
to try to get up.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Okay, well you okay, we've established maybe I'm not sure
what to do. My take is they don't need a quarterback.
They don't they like I was. They like their tackles
Jared Verse, but I don't think he's a top ten picks.
Are we sure it's a top ten move.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Are you questioning my report? Yes, it's yes, Colin. I
wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't true. It's
my job, right, So it's accurate.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
So they've been working the phones trying to move up because,
as you know, when it comes to the draft, there's
a lot of organizations with the philosophy, if you love
a guy, you go get them and you do what
it takes. And there's obviously a player that Sean McVay
is in love with right now and they are willing,
for the first time since twenty sixteen with that first
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round pick, move up to go get that guy. So
we don't know who that's going to be just yet,
but you know, we could probably go through it all.
I can tell you I do not believe this to
be a quarterback right so there there have been some
people that have thought that maybe this is a direction
they would go with Matthew Stafford getting older, and perhaps
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they're being a need there in the backup position, but
I don't really believe that that's the direction they're going in,
especially knowing the other quarterback situations that are happening at
the top of the draft.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So my guess was Jared Verse. I mean, they need
an edge rusher, and you know they don't need to
tackle a quarterback and they've got two received. My guess
has brock Powers the tight end from Georgia who Greg
Cosell said an hour ago is the best he's ever
seen on tape. Greg co Sell is not hyperbolic. So
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my take is Tyler Higby got hurt in the final game.
They went and got a backup from Seattle. Tyler is expensive.
You don't want to pay tight ends a lot of money.
That is my guest. I know you can't say and
everything like that, but Mike, I'm just doing process of elimination.
They need an edge. I know they're interested in tight end.
They would get a receiver, but this is a receiver
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rich draft. They don't need to tackle Jared Verse they like,
but he'll be available at fourteen. That's my guess. Okay,
so there we go.
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I think it would make a lot.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
I think it wouldn't make sense if they're going to
make this kind of move to go after an offensive
type player, knowing Sean probably wants another toy there, you know,
so Brock Bowers would make that That would not shock
me at all and obviously Greg Kusel knows a lot
and he knows a lot of these things, so I
don't think any of us could be shocked. I'm just
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concerned though, because I had heard the Jets had really
liked Bowers as well there, So I'm curious who they're
going to be able to get in front or who
they're gonna be able to trade out with if this
can even happen to try to make that move to
beat the Jets. Let's say, if it is Bowers that
they're going after, go Fastest A lot, Jesus, A lot
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can happen, Colin, Like, we've got a lot of time here,
but the fact it tells you a lot that they're
already making these calls in here, and I've now heard
it from two different teams, so they're aggressive.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
You're trying to make this happen.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, calgo Bronck Powers, that's my guess. I know the
Higbee injury concern them, and I know they don't want
to pay a ton. They just they don't want to
pay a ton to tight ends, So that's my guess. Okay,
Broncos at twelve, So I heard another story there moving up,
not from you, my guess is they want Nicks, but
they could get him later. Give me what, Well, you're again,
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you're smiling at me at this point, I ever, because
they're like not.
Speaker 10 (45:29):
From you, like, actually it was from me.
Speaker 9 (45:31):
I put a I put a column out yesterday on
the Athletic and I went very aggressive saying that the
Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market.
Speaker 10 (45:39):
Yes, Zach Wilson's They're awesome, great.
Speaker 9 (45:42):
I think he will be a great quarterback project, you know,
for Sean Payton, who I do believe believes that Zach
Wilson has some talent and maybe perhaps just a new
change of environment and new staff Davis Web. Obviously they're
the quarterbacks coach that everyone raves about out there Denver.
So he's not the starter though Zach Wilson was not
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traded to be the starter. So Broncos need a quarterback,
and I believe that Sean Payton is going to put
together a package if there's a guy there that he loves.
When he was in New Orleans and him and Mickey
Loomis worked together, that was always that philosophy in that building.
Speaker 10 (46:18):
If you love him, go get him. So if Sean
McVay excuse me.
Speaker 9 (46:22):
If Sean Payton has a quarterback right now that he loves,
I would not put it past them to put everything
together a package that would blow the doors off just
to get the guy. It's just is there a quarterback
that's going to be available that he's going to do
that for?
Speaker 10 (46:37):
And is there going to be a team open to
doing that.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Finally, Patriots third pick, I could argue they should move
back and improve the roster. I could argue, get Drake May.
What's your hunch on New England number three?
Speaker 10 (46:52):
I think if Bill Belichick was there, they would trade out.
Speaker 9 (46:55):
I think they would try to build this thing that
just how we saw in Houston. But I have a
good feeling and I think the teams that are calling
to move up there believe that Drake May is going
to be their selection. A few days ago, I was
told that there were people in that building that really
like JJ McCarthy, right, and they were just trying to
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all get on the same page. As happens we know
this time of year, especially with the newer staff, obviously
ownership here overseeing all of.
Speaker 10 (47:23):
This, making sure they get this right.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
They want a quarterback, and sometimes that pressure, you know why,
take any risks of missing out on getting a quarterback
to move out to try to get back up and
take that risk of not getting back up. And that's
the problem, and that's really where you're I'm sensing some
anxiety from a lot of different teams right now that
are in the quarterback market. Nobody wants to get boxed out,
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So it's going to be really interesting to see who's
going to be the first team to trade out. And
right now, for me, it feels that the Chargers would
be the team most open to moving out to get
for a team that is hungry for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
All Right, senior NFL insider of the Athletics, I'm not mad.
I just had the rams. This is aggressive, This is
less is being aggressive, and so to me, to do
that move, you're not getting Caleb and you're not getting Harrison.
So we have three players that are considered all time talents.
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Caleb is an all timer, Harrison's an all timer, Brock
Bowers is an all timer. Rest of these guys are
Joe Alt's good, he's not Trent Williams. We got three
all time talents. Sean's not moving up for a guy
who's good. He's not getting Caleb, but he's not getting Harrison.
So my guess is the Georgia. Okayh he's in love. Yeah, well,
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you know what happens when you're in love.
Speaker 10 (48:51):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Tell me, starry eyes, you go crazy, you know.
Speaker 9 (48:56):
Look they're aggressive. Look they're just making those. It doesn't
mean anything's done, It doesn't mean it's gonna happen. But
the fact that they're poking around and apparently pretty determined
to get in there tells you they got a plan.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Good stuff, great, seeing you as always great, seeing.
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Yeah, teams have done a great job keeping things under
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
All Right, my final mock draft one hour from now.
So uh draft rumors this morning. The rumor is three
teams have called the Chargers about that number five overall pick.
I've been told the Chargers want to move down. Here's
my three big takes tonight. Number one, Arizona has eleven picks,
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two in the first and three in the third. They're
gonna win the draft. They're gonna get the most good players.
And the reason the draft tonight is gonna get bigger
rating if you take their TV ratings on the two networks,
it's on than any NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL regular
season game and some of those playoff games in those
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sports is Arizona. Arizona does what happens to one or
two or three teams a year. You change your entire franchise, right,
six or seven of those draft picks out of eleven
become starters. Four or five are really good starters. And
remember Houston did this last year and they went into
a draft without a quarterback yet. So Arizona's got all
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these picks, all these premium picks, and they've got a
star quarterback. So I think Arizona wins the draft. They'll
come out of the weekend the most improved team. My
second take is the most fascinating team will be the Chargers.
They want to move down. That's why Jim Harbaugh has
been on this. JJ McCarthy's the best quarterback in the draft.
He wants people to believe that because he wants more
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of a frenzy in the top five picks so he
can move down and improve his team. So he's trying
to create urgency. Harbaugh also may select several Michigan players
they want to move down. I'm told I'm not sure
they'll get a taker. I think New England probably gets
to take her at three. But I think they'll be
the most fascinating team. And finally, the Chicago Bears will
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make the discussion last for twenty years. Twenty years from now.
There's a possibility the only draft we talk about of
all these teams drafting tonight, my guess is the Chicago Bears.
It's hard to explain how a nept they have been offensively.
They have never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards.
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How is that possible? They've never had a quarterback not
one throw for thirty touchdowns in a season. The Packers
have done that eighteen times, teams with four different quarterbacks.
The Chicago Bears butcher quarterback like rock stars trashed hotel
rooms in the eighties. They just can't get it right.
(04:01):
They even when they draft talented people, they screw it up.
But this Chicago team is different. The general manager is
a former player. He's had a great last year. They
have good wide receivers, two of them, good tight ends,
two of them, a nice running back who can catch
the ball. In the offensive line, Ryan Pulls the GMS,
a former offensive lineman. It's a pretty interesting young offensive line.
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And this is the draft hard to screw it up.
Best quarterback talent arguably since Josh Allen or Andrew Luck
and the Bears have Carolina's pick, so they have number one,
and they're gonna take Caleb Williams, a guy who doesn't
throw interceptions and scores a lot of touchdowns, and behind
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bad old lines. With one receiver of note, Jordan Addison,
now a Viking, they led the nation in offense the
last two years. So this is my take, Arizona comes
out of the weekend. The most improved team the Chargers
draft they furiously want to move down will be the
most fascinating and the most historic for an NFL historic
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franchise will be the Chicago Bears. I think they finally
get quarterback right and even they won't screw it up
draft tonight can't wait. One NBA story worth talking about today,
Not sure if you watched it, but the Celtics, and
this has become sort of a regular thing, lost at
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home again in the playoffs. They are six and seven
at home last two years. Ask yourself a question for
all those who push back on my cynicism. Maybe that's
too strident a word, but my questions about the Celtics,
ask yourself this, name the last great NBA champion that
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was bad at home in the playoffs. Now, Miami was
absurdly hot. Miami shot forty four to threes and hit
twenty three of them over fifty three percent. That's insane.
Won't happen again an all time playoffs shooting night. But
it's sort of a theme, now, isn't it. This great
Celtic team loses a home playoff game, and or Jason
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Tatum can shrink late in games. One of those two
things happen sometimes, both with sort of regularity. And here's
the thing with the Celtics. Be totally honest, there's nothing
to fear about the Celtics. MJ and the Bulls physicality,
intimidating Shaq, Kobe Shack coming downhill, intimidating that blizzard of
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talent with the Miami Heat, Lebron and d Wade in
their prime, intimidating. There have been a lot of teams
you fear Steph clay kd embarrassing you with an onslaught
of threes, blowing you out in the playoffs by thirty.
Fear the Celtics, well, they're deep. Nobody fears the Celtic.
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Nobody's afraid to go into the garden. Certainly not Miami.
In fact, I would argue that Miami creates fear playoff
Jimmy Heat cultures on the jerseys more than a slogan,
it's who they are. Will Spolstra out coach your coach
Layton games. There's a lot to fear about Miami. Nobody
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wants to play Miami in the playoffs. Yet last night,
after beating the Celtics in Boston, Jimmy Butler is trolling
the Celtics. Got an Instagram post showing him in a
Celtic jersey, says, don't let us get one. You do
not troll Mike Tyson in his prime. And if all
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these good NBA teams were heavyweight fighters, the Celtics feel
more like Larry Holmes than Tyson. They'll jab you, but
the knockout punches not that memorable. I don't know. Fear
is supposed to be a real thing with great teams.
I mean, the Spurs may have been boring, but they
would mechanically and efficiently wear you out. Lebrond Wade in
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their prime. Watch out Steph Clay, kd shack Downhill, Kobe
on the perimeter, MJ's relentlessness, the Bull's length and defense,
Phil Jackson's coaching. Who fears the Celtics. They're not even
good at home? I mean, now the pressure's all on Boston.
Miami has home court, and Miami has the better coach.
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Here's Charles Barkley after.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
This was a shocker to me.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
This team. Let it started last game. When you're up
thirty four, and you let them back in the game.
You get from thirty four to twelve. They probably got
some things going. But number one, you have to say,
you say, what the hell is going on when those
guys play at home? Even and I'm not even just
talking about tonight, but for the talent they've had the
last four or five years, to be five hundred at
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home is something I don't even know how to explain
that exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Go look at the past four postseasons. Celtics are like
hovering around five hundred under five hundred at home. That's
not the way it works. Shaq and Kobe, d Wade, Lebron,
MJ's bulls. I mean, they'd lose an occasional home game.
You didn't want to go into that building. It was
an L almost always an L. Boston. It's a coin flip.
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And now the pressure's all on the Celtics, all of
it home court advantage, Miami, better coach Miami again. The
Eastern Conference is so weak as they roll through it.
It's almost like college football. If you're play in a
weaker conference like Clemson for years and you roll over everybody,
and if you come from a stronger conference, the Big
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Ten or the SEC. You kind of look at, are
we overvaluing when we do this? We overvalue teams from
weaker conferences who bullyball teams all regular season. Once again,
Boston all the pressure, losing home court advantage. I don't
like to say cynicism, because I do think Boston should
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roll through the East. But it is hard to explain.
Does anybody fear the Celtics? And what would you fear
about them? They're deep, That's not really something you generally fear.
A relentless player, yokich an, unstoppable player, efficiency, maniacal, tough, physical.
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I'll tell you a team that worries me. I wouldn't
want to play the Knicks. I got nothing to lose,
house money. Nobody plays harder than the Knicks. They're winning
in Jalen Brunson's playing poorly. What do you fear about
the Celtics? But they got talent. It's the NBA, so
it's okay. See those Minnesota jam Marck. That was interesting.
I don't know. I still think Boston's gonna win the series,
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but it's Barkley's on this. How do you explain it?
Four years now? Not very good at home?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I'll try first of all, we gave out Heat first
quarter yesterday. I remember on the show Hold Your.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Notes plus Your Night, Philadelphia plus the points, best bet
on the board.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Well, they're they're favored Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, Philadelphia, excuse me, minus five. They're gonna they're gonna
blow them out.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I think they waxed the next but real quick.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So do you remember the twenty fifteen Warriors, the first
year Curry won the title. They won sixty seven games
and all season long. Barkley and the TNT crew, they're
soft jump shooters. This team's not built and they fall
down two to one to Memphis Grizzlies and Tony Allen
and those guys.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah and everybody, Oh, Warriors, they were frauds. That's what
this feels like.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Miami Heat have a fluky game, make twenty five, twenty
three threes.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Everybody's saying, Austin, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I saw somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Kevin O'Connor, the guy who comes on here, said the
Celtics would get swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
They can't match with it.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Like all these guys are hammering the Celtics off one game.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But it is more of a theme. It's not one game,
it's four years of being mediocre at home.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I'll buy that that's an issue. I don't understand why
they come.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Up layman it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Denver is not only good at home, they have an
altitude advantage and they have a great player, whereas Boston
has Jason Tatum, who we continue to worry about closing
out a huge series.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Who's we I'm not worried about Tatum, Celtics and five?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Right, come on, neighbor's supposed to sweep these guys.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
All right? Yeah, what a day?
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
All right, this is my final mock. I'm going to
get one pick, right for sure, and that's about it.
But let's play. Let's play the game. This is kind
of my gut feeling. I do have one trade in it.
I'm not going to try to guess throughout, but I
do Minnesota wants to move up. They may not, but
I kind of think they accumulated a second first round
pick to move up, and I think I know who
they like, so here we go. All right. First pick
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is easy. Chicago getst Caleb Williams. They've got really nice
weapons Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Gerald Everett, Cole Coment DeAndre Swift.
I think Ryan Poles has done a really good job.
I was out on him early. He whiffed on a
couple of receivers, Chase Claypool, Vilis Jones, but we have
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to be fair in this business. His last six or
seven moves, I've loved all of them. Montez Sweat, we
loved everybody else didn't. I think Ryan Poles is the
GM for the future. Caleb's the quarterback for the future.
That was an easy one. I'm gonna go Jaden Daniels
to Washington. That's what I've been told by a sore
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side trust. I think Drake may may have a higher ceiling,
but I think they go with a kid that can play.
He's the Lamar Ja. They've been watching him in Baltimore.
Now they get there. Lamar Jackson, highly productive, lots of starts,
beautiful deep ball, Terry McLaurin, Cliff Kingsbury. He can sort
of hide that average O line for the first couple
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of years. I think he's terrific. I have him at
two and he's ready to play now. I think the
Vikings are moving up and I think they want Drake
May and I think they move up to first to
get him. I think they're moving up somewhere to get him.
And this is my guess. Listen, the kid had twenty
sixteen d's in one pick on third and fourth downs.
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He's a little raw. So was Mahomes. So was Lamar.
So was Jordan Love, so was Josh Allen. He's the
youngest of four boys. That's a really good sign. He's
never had elite weapons all over the field. He's had
to elevate others. I think Drake May goes to the
Vikings at three. New England, by the way back to eleven,
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Cardinals take Marvin Harrison, arguably best player in the draft.
They don't have a very good receiving corps. It's Chris More,
it's Michael Wilson, it's kind of guys. They have a
tight end. I like a quarterback. I love a running
back guy like a lot. This rounds it out with
a defensive coach. They've also got three thirds another first.
Harrison is money as good at college receiver I've seen
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since maybe a Calvin Johnson. And now it's up to
the Chargers. I think they want to move down. I
don't think they'll get any takers. Jc Labham is the
Latham is the right tackle of note in this draft.
Plays like a bully people mover. They call him violent hands.
He's classic Harbaugh. I don't thin I don't see him
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getting a receiver again in the first round. Quentin Johnston
feels like a semi miss to this point, and now
we go to six. I don't think they want the
fourth quarterback. I think they're gonna get a star receiver.
They're Daniel Jones Molik Neighbors. Listen, the LSU's a receiver factory.
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He's a playmaker. Led the nation in big time catches
thirty four catches of over twenty yards. So my guess is, oh,
you know a lot of these LSU receivers end up
being really good and really productive in year one, and
they just have a lack of weapons. Now that Saguan
Barkley is gone, Giants take elite Neighbors. I think the
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Titans would move down and get another tackle. But Joe
Alt's the best one. Right now at left tackle, a
true left tackle, So I think they take him Notre Dame.
He's athletic, he was a played a little defensive end
tight end in high school. Brian Kelly told us this
week their only question was could they put weight on
him and get him over three hundred pounds. I think
he's really good. I don't know if he's Trent Williams good,
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but he's a very very good left tackle. And again,
if will Levis is going to succeed, he can't do
it on his back. They get a left tackle. I
think Atlanta Jarrett's a good defensive tackle, but he's getting
up there in age. I think they go with Byron Murphy.
They upgraded their offense in the offseason. They went and
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got Kirk Cousins, they got Darnell Moody, Ronde all Moore.
They are stacked on offense. They're going defense, and I
think they're going to go on the inside with a
d tackle. I like Atlanta a lot. I think they
win their division. I think they have great offensive pieces.
I think they'll be one of the highest scoring offenses
in the NFL. But to score you need the ball,
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and to get the ball, you got to make stops
and they'll get a big guy inside. Bears had the
fewest sacks in the league. I think they go with
Dallas Turner, the edge out of Alabama. He's consistent. Listen,
Alabama edges Will Anderson, they do well in the NFL.
And again, I think the Bears are more than talented
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on offense. And I think Matt Eberflus head coaches make
more than gms. Will pound on the table and say, listen,
we got a corner in Jalen John, We got Montez.
What you gotta give me a complimentary edge rusher and
this kid's a you know, Alabama edged rushers in my
life have done pretty well out of Nick Saban's program.
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Here we go. Jets take the smart decision. Offensive tackle
Oregon State, highest graded run blocker, Taalaisi Wanga out of
Oregon State. Again, right tackle, you can move him inside.
I don't want to hear about Brock Bowers. He's a
tight end. He's very good. History is rough on tight ends.
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In the first round, even Kyle Pitts was a lock
and it hasn't worked out so far. They went and
got two old tackles, Go get a young one. Go
get a bedrock right tackle. This is the move to
make I take him at ten. Okay, the Vikings traded
this pick to New England. They get a number one
receiver in rome A doonsay, a grown up productive to
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play got better every year with Michael Pennix and Kaitlin
de Boor. Listen, New England has a million needs. They
need draft capital and weapons, and I'd argue that right
now is almost more valuable than a quarterback. And they
may just they may be a Jayden Daniels fan and
he gets taked by Washington. I think it's circumstantial. I
think they're gonna sit and wait and to see who
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Washington takes, and if they take the quarterback they have
higher graded. I think New England moves down and gets
a wide receiver. I don't love wide receivers in the
first round, but this kid's really good. I think the
Broncos would trade back if they could. But if JJ
McCarthy falls to them, I think Sean Payton sees a
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guy that's got mobility, won a lot of games, had
an NFL coach in college, so he's clearly coachable. He's
used to hard coaching. I don't love JJ McCarthy. A
lot of decisions are split on this. I think it's
too rich to draft Boon Knicks or Michael Pennix. JJ
McCarthy falls. I know there's this rumor everybody's moving up
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to get him. I think he'll be drafted at twelve,
which is much more appropriate for his skills, and I
think the Raiders don't have the draft capital to move up.
I don't think they're going to do it. Tom Tellesco's
history as a GM is not big swings moving up.
And I think they take Penn State's tackle Olufushanu, who
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is a really good pass protector, doesn't play with enough physicality.
Maybe Antonio Pierce brings that out of him. But again,
I don't have a problem ever taking a tackle in
the first round. Outside of center. The safest position to
take in the first round in the last twenty drafts
is tackle. Offensive line guys with fewer than any other positions,
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wide receivers, tight end with more. So there you go.
I don't know if I get any more than Caleb Wright.
Joel Klatt joins US Live. He'll be on the NFL
Network Draft show tonight. By the way, Brock Bauers the
tight end is really good, but outside a wide receiver,
tight end misses more than any position in the first
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round in the last twenty years. Some of this I
would propose to you. I would submit that it's because
in the NFL you have to block to the tight end,
and outside of Iowa, a lot of programs don't ask
their tight ends to block. My first round, first thirteen
picks is a lot of tackles. I got a lot
of tackles here, am I nuts? What's your guess on that?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
No, it's a really heavy offensive tackle draft, and they're
all very good players. All of those guys are going
to get selected in the first round, and I think
everyone that you have will get selected in the top fifteen.
So you're absolutely right on that one. I mean, who's
throwing the ball to Roma doonesday? I mean, just like, well,
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I don't want to understand that one. New England cannot
move out of three unless they can guarantee themselves that
they're going to be in a position to draft one
of the top six quarterbacks. So there's no way they
would trade back to eleven, have JJ on the board
and then pass on JJ. They also like JJ, but
you're right in the fact that they want to move up.
They're trying to get up into that top three for
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Drake May because this Jade and Daniels not even smoke,
but the rumors and everything about him in Washington, that
is very real. Right now, you're gonna have Caleb, then
you're gonna have Jayden, and then the draft really starts.
Is someone coming up for Drake May? And is New
England willing to deal that pick? I think that's all fascinating.
And the other part that I would just I would
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just throw out is I want Jim Harbaugh to take
Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Just because because that's like the college guy. I mean
that just wants to see it, right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
You know, It's funny that the Chargers are interesting because
they do want to trade down. They need a center,
a tackle, a receiver, a tight end, a defensive tackle.
They have some needs. They have two fours.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Now let me jump in im. Sorry, but whatever, It's like,
you and I do this really well.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Tight end. You brought up tight end. What if I
told you let me just play Devil's advocate on tight end.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Now I get it what you're saying about first round
because all the guys I'm about to mention were not
first rounders. However, you can't show me a team maybe
other than like Kansas City their first super Bowl, but
they still.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Have my homes.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
You can't show me a team that won a super
Bowl because their best offensive player is a wide receiver.
And so your sentiment about like I don't love a
first round wide receiver, I might be with you on that.
Even though some of these guys are very talented. However,
check this out the last eight Super Bowl winners, every
single one of them, they had a guy and I
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would argue as a primary offensive weapon in the passing
game that owned and operated in the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Of the field.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Yeah, Cooper Cup with the Rams drunk and Travis Kelce.
So these people, including you, which you did it? You
want to devalue tight ends because of Kyle Pitts. I
really legitimately believe that that Harbam might think about brock
Bauers there now if he could trade back, like with
Minnesota or someone to get brock Bauers in the middle
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of the first round. He is so offensive line and
tight end driven. This has been his blueprint everywhere he's been. Yeah,
I just think Bowers has a lot more value than
maybe people want to give him credit.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So what's really interesting to me? There are two teams
that I think should take a quarterback first or second round.
Jets don't have a second round pick, and it's the
Jets and the Cowboys. So I think the kid at
two lanes.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Thing other than the obvious, other than like the obvious
quarterback needs.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, so if I was the Cowboys, I would consider
PENICX if he drops or or Pratt in the second round.
The Jets front two ends. Yeah, Jets would have to
go to the third round or moved out in the
first to get a second round pick. But I do
think Rogers. I think you have to get somebody sitting
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behind him, somebody that's maybe a bit raw, and I
think Dallas has to consider that. I'm sorry, if sixty million,
fifty eight millions, what I gotta pay Dac, I'm gonna
roll the dice. I mean, I've only got two playoff
wins in eight years? What do you make? How far
do you think Pennisnick Bonnicks fall? Because I've heard this
from two GMS. Denver's too rich for either, twelve's too rich,
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fifteen sixteen teams are more even the Rams at nineteen,
I think would consider both those guys. Is there a
chance Knicks or Pennicks fall out of the first round
in your opinion? What say you on your ear evaluation?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
There's always a chance. There's always a chance.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Now there are six specific quarterback need teams in the
first round, and I hear you about that that twelve
spot with Denver maybe being too rich for a Knicks
or Pennix. The problem is Denver doesn't have a second
round pick, so they might be forced into this, and
they also don't have a lot of ammunition. Like let's
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say Denver loves JJ McCarthy or they want to maybe
try to like move up. Well, everyone would be looking
at their roster and saying, the only commodity that we
value is Patrick Stirtan. They're not treating Patrick Shirktan. So
then you look at draft capital. They don't have any
draft capital. They gave it all up for Russell Wilson
and Sean Payton. So Denver may be forced into a position.
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We're at the twelfth selection. They can't move they don't
want to move back, or can't move back based on
who's available and the value there, and they might be
forced into selecting one of those guys. I think Nix
has been, in my mind a fit for Sean Payton.
He likes a guy that wants to operate from a
more of a point guard mindset. Yes and hold the ball,
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and that's what Nix is very similar to Drew Brees
in terms of that mindset. But to your original question,
I'm actually, if I I had to bet my own money,
I would be betting tonight that all six of those
quarterbacks are taken tonight in the first round. I really
think that we're going to get all six of them.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So I think the quarterback that's most interesting to me
is Drake May because like Jordan Love or Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, he's not quite there yet,
needs to be refined to Tad get the right coach.
But the draft has shown us in recent years. Draft
the traits, if you have the right coordinator, draft the traits.
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Don't get too caught up on college production. That's circumstantial
based on coach. You know, Jade and Daniels got two
more years to start over. Drake May. Drake May lost
a great receiver. NCAA took him out late. So, I mean,
the Drake May thing's fascinating. I didn't watch a ton
of them. I watched two games, and I thought I
got a good one and not a good one. But boy,
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he looks like Herbert. He completely looks the part. What
say you on him?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I could totally agree.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
I think his upside is as high as anybody except
for Caleb in this draft. If you take Caleb off
the table, Drake has the highest upside of anybody. He
makes throws that Jayden Daniels and JJ McCarthy and even
Michael Pennox and Bo Nick's only dream of making off
platform throws. He's highly competitive, which actually got himself into
trouble without a great weapon set around him at North Carolina.
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He was trying to do too much. And by the way,
that that's also kind of the same mold that Caleb
fell into at USC this year. Yeah, they tried to
do too much based on their competitive spirit, and I
think that's what got them in trouble because now that
you get into the draft process and people are like, well,
he wasn't efficient enough. Well, candidly, I get so upset
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at these I'm sorry, like I'm gonna I get so
upset at these draft people because they want these players
to play specifically for their draft evaluation and not for
the actual win in front of them on the field.
It's well, he didn't complete enough. You know, his completion
percentage wasn't high enough. You show me a guy that
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protects his completion percentage, and I'll show you a guy
that does not win. Now, I know that Drake didn't
win at an incredible clip, but he was trying to.
That's the competitive spirit I want. Youngest of four. You
talked about a very athletic family. You know that he's
tough and he's got a tough spirit about him. The
throws he makes and I would just say this, and
I know you watched this game the Holiday Bowl, not
this last year, but the year before when he played
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against Oregon Dan Lanning's first year at Oregon. He made
a couple of throws that made me come right out
of my seat. And their throws that nobody else makes.
And if this guy sits for a year, he will
be a top ten quarterback in the National Football League.
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
In my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Awesome, So the Bears, I said my three takes on
the draft, Arizona with eleven picks, two first rounders, three
and the third will be the most improved team Monday.
They'll do a Houston. They'll do a Houston, but Houston
went into the draft without even having a quarterback. So
Arizona's got the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Wh But why not? Why not Chicago? Though?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well no, so I said Arizona will be the most
improved team, cause I.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Don't, right, I'm saying why not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because it being a rookie quarterback and a good divisions
hard the Chargers will be the most fascinating draft. The
Texans just did it well, but they weren't super Bowl.
They were they they over at Cheat. We loved them.
It was a neat story. Chicago's not going to be
a super Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I did that neat story.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, I mean, I think Chicago's going to have the
draft that in twenty years we're still talking about because
I think Caleb's going to be their first star quarterback ever.
I mean, they've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns.
The Packers have done it eighteen times with four quarterbacks.
Bears have never done it once. This will be for
a blue blood franchise the draft twenty years from now
that you go, remember that draft we got Caleb Williams.
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Yeah so I so, by the way, but.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
You still think so in twenty years the Bears will
have the best draft. But Monday it's going to be
the card.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, No, Arizona's going to be the most improved team overnight.
Chicago's in a division green Bay and green Bay and
Detroit are stacked. Those are the best two teams in
the division. And I think the best coach maybe in Minnesota,
and if Darnold is okay, they'll vie for a playoff.
Arizona's going to get seven starters out of this thing
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in a division where Seattle they could. Yeah, I mean,
I just think they're goetting.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Again, there's a difference between the best team Monday. I'm
being realistic about Caleb. So let's pivot to this. I
think Caleb's going to be twenty four touchdowns, eight picks,
ninety passer rating, spectacular, little rough gotta win by shootouts
in this division. It's an excellent division and they finish
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eight to nine. Is that reasonable? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I'm actually more bullish on Chicago. I think if you
look at the quarterback needy teams the ones that are
likely to take a quarterback. The two best possible situations
to go into are Chicago and Minnesota because the weapons
around the young quarterback right you you outlined that when
you were going through your mock. I love this idea
(32:08):
that you have of like Dallas Turner potentially slipping past
Atlanta and getting to Chicago. If that were to happen,
or even if they were to go like Jared Verse
or something along those lines, I think that you could
be in a situation where, for the third straight year
you have a team the National Football League have both
the offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year in Pro football.
(32:33):
We had it with Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson, last
year with Will Anderson and c. J.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
And if you got a top end, you know, edge
player at nine, Chicago could be in that mode as well,
offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year. I get it
about the division, I'm less I'm less enthused about Minnesota.
I like Kevin O'Connell, I don't know. I don't know
(33:01):
for me, like, how is this Darnald young quarterback situation
going to go? In particular, with Justin Jefferson, Like, when
does he start getting upset about not getting the ball
or not getting the ball on time? Is he going
to be willing to allow these quarterbacks to grow or wait,
I'm not sure. Whereas like, Caleb's going to a place
where he's going to be the guy. There's offensive weapons
(33:22):
around him, and there's an organization that is in a
much better position to succeed than they were when they
drafted Justin fields. They reminded me much more of the
Houston Texans last year than the Carolina Panthers. I think
we would all agree with that, And that's why I
think we might be selling Caleb's impact on the National
Football League next year short. I think it could be
(33:44):
pretty profound. This guy has a skill set that we
have not seen come out of college football ever. Ever,
he's a mixture of a great pocket passer and Patrick Mahomes,
and Mahomes didn't have any of his pocket presence or
schematic presence when he came out of Texas Tech. And
yet you've also got the ability to be off platform
outside of the pocket and be an absolute weapon throwing
(34:05):
the ball down the field. So I think we might
because we've seen him for so long, and people get
turned off with the nail polish and the crying, and
I think we might be selling short Caleb's impact on
the NFL next season.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Okay, I don't dislike that. I just I think Green
baand Detroit are stacked. I think those teams are really good.
You know what, if Caleb gets drafted number one to celebrate,
I could do nail polish Monday.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Why not go all in on him.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, don't bring it up unless you can do it.
I mean, you saw Harbaugh, he got the tattoo. He
claimed he was going to get a tattoo, and he
got his tattoo. So now all he's got to do
is get taken number one, and you're wearing nail polish Monday.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Let me think about it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Give me a segment to think about it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I feel like you're back tracking. We're backtracking. What are
we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
NFL Network, Joel Klatt have fun tonight. I'm jealous. That's
one of the few nights I like to be on
the road and work. Good stuff. Klatt, great, see anybody
that division is going to be crazy. What if the
Vikings get Drake May and the Bears get Kayla Williams.
I'm gonna have Jared Goff, Drake May, Cayleb Williams and
Jordan Love Holy. I mean, that's insane talent.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
I want to go back to something Clatt said.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Did he really say there is momentum for McCarthy to
go two?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't see what are we doing that that happens?
You started this. Here's a guy a year.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Ago, say in November top ten, but I did not
say anywhere near number two I had of May and Daniel.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
This would be Colin.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I'm told, I'm told by somebody who's been three for
three with me in my life on sword sourcing that
Jaden's going too. But again, but again, I I mean
Bill Belichick says, until twelve hours before the draft, are
not sure. What if somebody sweetens the pot and gives
them two firsts and they're like, all right? I mean
(36:01):
what if New England at three like somebody at two,
but not at three? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Well, that's probably why we haven't seen any trades yet, right,
other than that one vikings culminating.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You just don't know. Everybody thinks they know. I've never
seen a mock draft, even in the first round. That's
fifty percent, right, I've never seen one. If you get like,
I know I'm going to get the first pick, right,
I think I'm getting the second one right, and I
think I got Tennessee at Joe all feels right?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
How about this over under two and a half trades
in the top ten tonight, which be too rich?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Now under that's too rich. Teams don't want to trade up.
They do, like A prime example of fascinating to me
is the New York Giants. So the coach and the
GM won a new quarterback, they do you look around
the league, Daniel joneses, arguably of the sixteen NFC teams,
the thirteenth best NFC quarterback at best tenth in the
(36:55):
AFC is the better quarterback conference. So I look at
the Giants and they're like, man, we can change everything.
You've got a GM and a head coach that could
be in trouble. So it's that that the Giants. I mean,
I know two things. The Giants want a quarterback. They're
praying somebody falls to them. But they don't want to
move up and give up because they have some elements
(37:15):
Cavon Fiebada. They've got good defensive linemen. They're pretty good
in the box defensively. You don't want to give up
any of that stuff, and he can't give up too
much draft capital because you need it for pieces.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
So it's like Giants Vikings.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
There's some really chargers. There's about four of these teams
that I think Dallas. I don't think Tennessee wants to move.
Chicago doesn't want to move with their first pick. I
think the Jets are happy where they're at to go
get a really good tax.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
There's always mystery team. Do the Raiders? Jayden Daniels falls.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Here's the downside to getting Aaron Rodgers, all right. The
only reason you got Aaron Rodgers because Zach Wilson busted,
so you were kind of trapped. You wouldn't have gone
if Zach Wilson played, so you had to. What you
did is you kind of reached and gave up stuff
because you whiffed it too. So that's the danger of
whiffing on a quarterback. Oh, we have to go get
a quarterback in New York. We've been bad forever, right,
(38:02):
So you go get Aaron Rodgers because you whiffed on
Zach Wilson. Well, the downside, they're doubling down on that.
Now there's rumors they're gonna go get a playmaker. That's
not what they need. They need multiple picks. They don't
have a second round pick. So the problem with the
Jets when they hear that story, a they whiffed on
a quarterback, so then they had to kind of get
an old quarterback who is prickly in a veter organization.
(38:24):
Green Bay was like, take him, and then now they
may double down and go, let's reach and move up
for a receiver. It's like, oh, Jets, that's not what
you do. So even with Aaron, the whole story with
Aaron is simple. If Aaron plays every regular season game,
you'll be a viable football team. If you're the Jets
get out of the Super Bowl, talk can you be viable?
(38:44):
Can you sell your stadium out in Week fifteen? And
if you win, you have a chance to be a wildcard.
We can get to lower your expectations. Who's winning the division?
Colin Buffalo. Again, the best quarterback wins the division.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Mostly in the league, Stefon Diggs is gone, like five
starters on defense are gone.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know what, they were winning that division. Pri Stefon Diggs. Okay,
Lamar Jackson ends up getting to the playoffs every year.
You know it's funny, Patrick Mahomes this year, worse receiving
core in the league won the Super Bowl. Anybody quarterbacks, right,
you'll make the playoffs over the Buffalo Bills wide receiver room.
You can just bring another safety in the box, Josh.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Allen, you're not going anywhere, buddy.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
The Buffalo Bills are heading And you know, I don't
want to say it too loudly with the Bengals f
in here, but this t Higgins wants out.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Trey Hendrickson wants to trade that Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Window for the Bengals starting to shrink. Joe Mixon's out
of town.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't think you're wrong on that. Well, Bills didn't
win the division before Stefon Diggs. I'm told they were good.
They made the playoffs. They made the playoffs with a
Tyrod Taylor. So you got a good coach, you have
a star defensive front, you got a star quarterback. Now
they have a running back that's really good, an elite
tied at They're gonna be fine, Buffalo's gonna be fine.
You gonna be fine. Okay, is fine. They're not a
(40:01):
nine to eight team. They're not a nine. New England's
not going to score this year. They're two to zero
right there, and they're not getting swept by the Jets,
and they're not getting swept by Miami. So you got
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Speaker 1 (41:22):
All Right, Diana Russini, the athletics senior NFL insider cover
the NFL for almost a decade. All right, this has
got us all worked up. She's out there doing what
she does. This is crazy. So he just got into
this discussion. Look at her. Look at her smirk on
her face. That's somebody that's got information.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Smirk is My smirk is because you're fighting the information
rather than just sitting back and hugging it and embracing
and feeling grateful for your You're so mad that the
rams are making calls in the top ten right now
to try to get up.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Okay, well you okay, we've established maybe I'm not sure
what to do. My take is they don't need a quarterback.
They don't they like I was. They like their tackles
Jared Verse, but I don't think he's a top ten picks.
Are we sure it's a top ten move.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Are you questioning my report? Yes, it's yes, Colin. I
wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't true. It's
my job, right, So it's accurate.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
So they've been working the phones trying to move up because,
as you know, when it comes to the draft, there's
a lot of organizations with the philosophy, if you love
a guy, you go get them and you do what
it takes. And there's obviously a player that Sean McVay
is in love with right now and they are willing,
for the first time since twenty sixteen with that first
(42:46):
round pick, move up to go get that guy. So
we don't know who that's going to be just yet,
but you know, we could probably go through it all.
I can tell you I do not believe this to
be a quarterback right so there there have been some
people that have thought that maybe this is a direction
they would go with Matthew Stafford getting older, and perhaps
(43:06):
they're being a need there in the backup position, but
I don't really believe that that's the direction they're going in,
especially knowing the other quarterback situations that are happening at
the top of the draft.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So my guess was Jared Verse. I mean, they need
an edge rusher, and you know they don't need to
tackle a quarterback and they've got two received. My guess
has brock Powers the tight end from Georgia who Greg
Cosell said an hour ago is the best he's ever
seen on tape. Greg co Sell is not hyperbolic. So
(43:38):
my take is Tyler Higby got hurt in the final game.
They went and got a backup from Seattle. Tyler is expensive.
You don't want to pay tight ends a lot of money.
That is my guest. I know you can't say and
everything like that, but Mike, I'm just doing process of elimination.
They need an edge. I know they're interested in tight end.
They would get a receiver, but this is a receiver
(43:59):
rich draft. They don't need to tackle Jared Verse they like,
but he'll be available at fourteen. That's my guess. Okay,
so there we go.
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I think it would make a lot.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
I think it wouldn't make sense if they're going to
make this kind of move to go after an offensive
type player, knowing Sean probably wants another toy there, you know,
so Brock Bowers would make that That would not shock
me at all and obviously Greg Kusel knows a lot
and he knows a lot of these things, so I
don't think any of us could be shocked. I'm just
(44:30):
concerned though, because I had heard the Jets had really
liked Bowers as well there, So I'm curious who they're
going to be able to get in front or who
they're gonna be able to trade out with if this
can even happen to try to make that move to
beat the Jets. Let's say, if it is Bowers that
they're going after, go Fastest A lot, Jesus, A lot
(44:51):
can happen, Colin, Like, we've got a lot of time here,
but the fact it tells you a lot that they're
already making these calls in here, and I've now heard
it from two different teams, so they're aggressive.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
You're trying to make this happen.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, calgo Bronck Powers, that's my guess. I know the
Higbee injury concern them, and I know they don't want
to pay a ton. They just they don't want to
pay a ton to tight ends, So that's my guess. Okay,
Broncos at twelve, So I heard another story there moving up,
not from you, my guess is they want Nicks, but
they could get him later. Give me what, Well, you're again,
(45:25):
you're smiling at me at this point, I ever, because
they're like not.
Speaker 10 (45:29):
From you, like, actually it was from me.
Speaker 9 (45:31):
I put a I put a column out yesterday on
the Athletic and I went very aggressive saying that the
Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market.
Speaker 10 (45:39):
Yes, Zach Wilson's They're awesome, great.
Speaker 9 (45:42):
I think he will be a great quarterback project, you know,
for Sean Payton, who I do believe believes that Zach
Wilson has some talent and maybe perhaps just a new
change of environment and new staff Davis Web. Obviously they're
the quarterbacks coach that everyone raves about out there Denver.
So he's not the starter though Zach Wilson was not
(46:03):
traded to be the starter. So Broncos need a quarterback,
and I believe that Sean Payton is going to put
together a package if there's a guy there that he loves.
When he was in New Orleans and him and Mickey
Loomis worked together, that was always that philosophy in that building.
Speaker 10 (46:18):
If you love him, go get him. So if Sean
McVay excuse me.
Speaker 9 (46:22):
If Sean Payton has a quarterback right now that he loves,
I would not put it past them to put everything
together a package that would blow the doors off just
to get the guy. It's just is there a quarterback
that's going to be available that he's going to do
that for?
Speaker 10 (46:37):
And is there going to be a team open to
doing that.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Finally, Patriots third pick, I could argue they should move
back and improve the roster. I could argue, get Drake May.
What's your hunch on New England number three?
Speaker 10 (46:52):
I think if Bill Belichick was there, they would trade out.
Speaker 9 (46:55):
I think they would try to build this thing that
just how we saw in Houston. But I have a
good feeling and I think the teams that are calling
to move up there believe that Drake May is going
to be their selection. A few days ago, I was
told that there were people in that building that really
like JJ McCarthy, right, and they were just trying to
(47:15):
all get on the same page. As happens we know
this time of year, especially with the newer staff, obviously
ownership here overseeing all of.
Speaker 10 (47:23):
This, making sure they get this right.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
They want a quarterback, and sometimes that pressure, you know why,
take any risks of missing out on getting a quarterback
to move out to try to get back up and
take that risk of not getting back up. And that's
the problem, and that's really where you're I'm sensing some
anxiety from a lot of different teams right now that
are in the quarterback market. Nobody wants to get boxed out,
(47:49):
So it's going to be really interesting to see who's
going to be the first team to trade out. And
right now, for me, it feels that the Chargers would
be the team most open to moving out to get
for a team that is hungry for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
All Right, senior NFL insider of the Athletics, I'm not mad.
I just had the rams. This is aggressive, This is
less is being aggressive, and so to me, to do
that move, you're not getting Caleb and you're not getting Harrison.
So we have three players that are considered all time talents.
(48:23):
Caleb is an all timer, Harrison's an all timer, Brock
Bowers is an all timer. Rest of these guys are
Joe Alt's good, he's not Trent Williams. We got three
all time talents. Sean's not moving up for a guy
who's good. He's not getting Caleb, but he's not getting Harrison.
So my guess is the Georgia. Okayh he's in love. Yeah, well,
(48:48):
you know what happens when you're in love.
Speaker 10 (48:51):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Tell me, starry eyes, you go crazy, you know.
Speaker 9 (48:56):
Look they're aggressive. Look they're just making those. It doesn't
mean anything's done, It doesn't mean it's gonna happen. But
the fact that they're poking around and apparently pretty determined
to get in there tells you they got a plan.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Good stuff, great, seeing you as always great, seeing.
Speaker 10 (49:13):
You, love seeing you guys. Thanks for having me, all right,
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