April 25, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives his 3 big predictions ahead of tonight's NFL draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh ride, It's Draft Day Thursday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Good night's sleep, Ready to roll? Tonight is the night
of nights. Been a draftnick for thirty years, twenty years,
however long you've been doing this. Love the NFL Draft forever.
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Jmak I think you feel the same way. It is
now almost its own professional sports. We talk more about
the draft. The ratings for the Draft are bigger than
most sports regular season games tonight all in streaming, radio, audio, TV.
Massive numbers for something that have just grown and grown
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and grown. Now they're moving it around the country. It's
in Detroit, great city, so I can't wait for tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, teams have done a great job keeping things under wraps.
As to what's gonna happen at two three, Like, there's
still some mystery that hasn't been the case in recent years.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All Right, my final mock draft one hour from now.
So uh draft rumors this morning. The rumor is three
teams have called the Chargers about that number five overall pick.
I've been told the Chargers want to move down. Here's
my three big takes tonight. Number one. Arizona has eleven picks,
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two in the first and three in the third. They're
gonna win the draft. They're gonna get the most good players.
And the reason the draft tonight is gonna get bigger ratings.
If you take their team ratings on the two networks,
it's on than any NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL regular
season game and some of those playoff games in those sports.
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Is Arizona. Arizona does what happens to one or two
or three teams a year. You change your entire franchise right,
Six or seven of those draft picks out of eleven
become starters. Four or five are really good starters. And
remember Houston did this last year and they went into
a draft without a quarterback yet. So Arizona's got all
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these picks, all these premium picks, and they've got a
star quarterback. So I think Arizona wins the draft. They'll
come out of the weekend the most improved team. My
second take is the most fascinating team will be the Chargers.
They want to move down. That's why Jim Harbaugh has
been on this. JJ McCarthy's the best quarterback in the draft.
He wants people to believe that because he wants more
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of a frenzy in the top five picks so he
can move down and improve his team. So he's trying
to create urgency. Also may select several Michigan players they
want to move down. I'm told I'm not sure they'll
get a taker. I think New England probably gets to
take her at three. But I think they'll be the
most fascinating team. And finally, the Chicago Bears will make
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the discussion last for twenty years. Twenty years from now.
There's a possibility the only draft we talk about of
all these teams drafting tonight, my guess is the Chicago Bears.
It's hard to explain how a nept they have been offensively.
They have never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards.
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How is that possible. They've never had a quarterback not
one throw for thirty touchdowns in a season. The Packers
have done that eighteen times, teams with four different quarterbacks.
The Chicago Bears butcher quarterback like rock stars trashed hotel
rooms in the eighties. They just can't get it right.
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They even when they draft talented people, they screw it up.
But this Chicago team is different. The general manager is
a former player. He's had a great last year. They
have good wide receivers, two of them, good tight ends,
two of them, a nice running back who can catch
the ball. In the offensive line, Ryan Pulls the GMS,
a former offensive lineman. It's a pretty interesting young offensive line.
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And this is the draft hard to screw it up.
Best quarterback talent arguably since Josh Allen or Andrew Luck
and the Bears have Carolina's pick, so they have number one,
and they're gonna take Caleb Williams, a guy who doesn't
throw interceptions and scores a lot of touchdowns and behind
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bad old lines. With one receiver of note, Jordan Addison,
now a Viking. They led the nation in offense the
last two years. So this is my take Arizona comes
out of the weekend the most improved team. The ar
Marger's draft they furiously want to move down will be
the most fascinating and the most historic for an NFL
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historic franchise will be the Chicago Bears. I think they
finally get quarterback right and even they won't screw it
up draft tonight can't wait. One NBA story worth talking
about today, Not sure if you watched it, but the Celtics,
and this has become sort of a regular thing, lost
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at home again in the playoffs. They are six and
seven at home last two years. Ask yourself a question
for all those who push back on my cynicism. Maybe
that's too strident a word, but my questions about the Celtics,
ask yourself this, name the last great NBA champion that
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was bad at home in the playoffs. Now, Miami was
absurdly hot. Miami shot forty four to threes and hit
twenty three of them over fifty three percent. That's insane.
Won't happen again an all time playoffs shooting night. But
it's sort of a theme, now, isn't it. This great
Celtic team loses a home playoff game and or Jason
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Tatum can shrink late in games. One of those two
things happen sometimes, both with sort of regularity. And here's
the thing with the Celtics. Be totally honest, there's nothing
to fear about the Celtics. MJ and the Bulls physicality, intimidating, Shaq,
Kobe Shack coming downhill, intimidating, that blizzard of talent with
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the Miami heat, Lebron and d Wade in their prime, intimidating.
There have been a lot of teams you fear Steph
Clay kd embarrassing you with an onslaught of threes, blowing
you out in the playoffs by thirty. Fear the Celtics,
well they're deep. Nobody fears the Celtics. Nobody's a friend
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to go into the garden, certainly not Miami. In fact,
I would argue that Miami creates fear playoff Jimmy heat
cultures on the jerseys more than a slogan, it's who
they are. Will spolstra out coach your coach, lighton games.
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There's a lot to fear about Miami. Nobody wants to
play Miami in the playoffs. Yet last night, after beating
the Celtics in Boston. Jimmy Butler is trolling the Celtics.
Got an Instagram post showing him in a Celtic jersey, says,
don't let us get one. You do not troll. Mike
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Tyson in his prime. And if all these good NBA
teams were heavyweight fighters, the Celtics feel more like Larry
Holmes than Tyson. They'll jab you, but the knockout punches
not that memorable. I don't know. Fear is supposed to
be a real thing with great teams. I mean, the
Spurs may have been boring, but they would mechanically and
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efficiently wear you out. Lebrond Waded in their prime. Watch
out Steph Clay, kd Shack Downhill, Kobe on the perimeter,
MJ's relentlessness, the Bull's length and defense, Phil Jackson's coaching.
Who fears the Celtics. They're not even good at home?
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I mean really, now the pressure's all on Boston. Miami
has home court, and Miami has the better coach. Here's
Charles Barkley after.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
This was a shocker to me. This team.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It started last game.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
When you're up thirty four and you let them back
in the game, you get from thirty four to twelve.
They probably got some things going. But number one, you
have to say, you say, what the hell is going
on when those guys play at home?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Even and I'm not even just talking about tonight, but.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
For the talent they've had the last four or five years,
to be five hundred at home is something I don't
even know how to explain that exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Go look at the past four postseasons. Celtics are like
hovering around five hundred under five hundred at home. That's
not the way it works. Shaq and Kobe, d Wade, Lebron,
MJ's bulls. I mean, they'd lose an occasional home game.
You didn't want to go into that building. It was
an L almost always an L. Boston. It's a coin flip.
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And now the pressure's all on the Celtics, all of
it home court advantage, Miami, better coach Miami again. The
Eastern Conference is so weak as they roll through it.
It's almost like college football. If you're play in a
weaker conference like Clemson for years and you roll over everybody,
and if you come from a stronger conference, the Big
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Ten or the SEC, you kind of look at, are
we over valuing, and we do this. We owe value
teams from weaker conferences who bullyball teams all regular season.
Once again, Boston all the pressure, losing home court advantage.
I don't like to say cynicism, because I do think
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Boston should roll through the East, But it is hard
to explain. Does anybody fear the Celtics? And what would
you fear about them? They're deep, that's not really something
you generally fear. A relentless player, yokich an unstoppable player, efficiency, maniacal, tough, physical.
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I'll tell you a team that worries me. I wouldn't
want to play the Knicks. I got nothing to lose
house money. Nobody plays harder than the Knicks. They're winning
in Jalen Brunson's playing poorly. What do you fear about
the Celtics? They got talent. It's the NBA, so it's okay.
See those Minnesota j Marck. That was interesting. I don't know.
I still think Boston's gonna win the series, but it's
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Barkley's on this. How do you explain it? Four years now?
Not very good at home? I'll try.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
First of all, we gave out heat first quarter yesterday.
I remember on the show I Hold Your.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Notes plus your night, Philadelphia plus the points, best bet
on the board. Well, they're they're favored Philadelphia. Yeah, Philadelphia,
excuse me, minus five. They're gonna they're gonna blow them out.
I think they waxed the next but real quick.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So do you remember the twenty fifteen Warriors, the first
year Curry won the title. They won sixty seven games
and all season long. Barkley and the TNT crew, they're
soft jump shooters. This team's not built and they fall
down two to one to Memphis Grizzlies and Tony Allen
and those guys.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah and everybody, Oh, Warriors, they were frauds. That's what
this feels like.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Miami Heat have a fluky game, make twenty five, twenty
three threes.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Everybody's saying, Austin, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I saw somebody, Kevin O'Connor, the guy who comes on here,
said the Celtics would get swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They can't match with it.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Like all these guys are hammering the Celtics off.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
One game is more of a theme. It's not one game,
it's four years of being mediocre at home.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'll buy that that's an issue. I don't understand why
they come.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Up layman it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Denver is not only good at home, they have an
altitude advantage and they have a great player, whereas Boston
has Jason Tatum, who we continue to worry about closing
out a huge series.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Who's we I'm not worried about Tatum?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Celtics in five? Right, Come on, neighbor's supposed to sweep
these guys, All right? Yeah? What a day NFL Draft Day.
Joel Klatt, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini. We are loaded.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
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Speaker 1 (12:47):
You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible great rates,
and none of the bowl credible. So here's a story
the Jets. According to Rich Somini, who's covered the Jets
for a long time in New York, the Jets are
quote exploring trading up for a playmaker in the draft
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to help Aaron Rodgers. Let's go back to that chart yesterday.
Last twenty years, here are the hits and misses percentage
in the NFL. The rumors you hear about the Jets
on wide receiver or tight end Brockbauers playmakers, those miss
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last twenty drafts more than any position. What the Jets need,
offensive tackle is the second safest position, and the first
round is loaded with great offensive tackles. What would I
do if I was the Jets, I'd move down middle
of first round, get a second round pick. But why
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would the Jets move up? Because of a del they've
had for a long time, which is they're just one
playmaker away. Remember that's what they felt with Aaron Rodgers.
Just get Aaron Rodgers super Bowl. Yeah, but nobody to
protect them and needs an old quarterback. So the Jets
actually need an offensive tackle or actually two if you're
counting the future, a wide receiver or two, a tight end,
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a quarterback for the future, and maybe a cheap inside
athletic linebacker. And they don't currently have a second round pick,
only seven picks, and they need about seven guys to
be drafted on offense. So as the Jets enter tonight's draft,
what I would be thinking about is that first game,
fourth play of the season, where Aaron Rodgers is on
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the field. I would do whatever it takes to ensure
that Aaron Rodgers is upright, rarely sacked, and healthy. That
will ensure the Jets are viable. It doesn't ensure they're great.
It ensures they're viable. Aaron Rodger that defense and a
run game behind an improved offensive line ensures they're viable.
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Aaron gets hurt, season over embarrassing again. So two things
happen every April. We pay our taxes and the Jets
convince themselves they're a playmaker away from being great. They
are not. That is delusion. They're not close to San
Francisco's roster, Green Bay's roster, Detroit's roster after this draft,
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the Rams roster, Philadelphia's roster. The only thing that guarantees
viability this year is Aaron plays every game. You'll be viable.
Maybe a playoff team, maybe I'll come around. But a
flashy wide receiver from LSU. When Aaron and Tom Brady's
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history was, they don't love young wide receivers, not just
an aeron thing. Tom didn't love them. So the Jets
are exploring trading up for a playmaker. I would do
the exact opposite in a loaded first round of tackles,
Tyron Smith for the Cowboys, gonna play thirteen games, maybe twelve.
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Lucky you'll get fourteen. Go get the future at left tackle.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You winced when you saw that story Jet.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Just as the Jets are exploring trading up, I'm exploring
a new Lamborghini, Colin, I don't know if I mentioned
that to you. I went to a Lambeau dealership. I'm
looking at Lamborghini's exploring.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do you really need that? This is nonsense from happiness.
I love the draft. Oh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I do love the draft, but some of this nonsense.
The Jets are not trading up. That's stupid. They are
of picks. They need picks. You trade down that listen.
The smartest thing you can do in the draft, I'm
gonna say this fifty times today, is you trade down
and get more picks. Because as much as we think
these guys know what they're doing, none of these guys
do what they're doing. How many whiffs do we have
every single week?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And the Patriots were good at drafting Ie when Belichick
didn't run it, they traded down and accumulated picks because
they thought it was a math equation. You're gonna miss
on one out of three picks totally, so just get
more picks, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Keep drafting, and if
you can get four to five good players per draft,
you're great. That's why Arizona tonight with eleven picks as
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of right now. If you hit on half of them,
Arizona's got a really good football team. If Marvin Harrison
is as good as you think, they got to tie
end a running back, Kyler Murray, you hitting a tackle,
you hitting an edge rusher. Arizona next year's a viable
football That's.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Why when you hear trade up, you're like, who what
are they doing?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Anyways?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
All right, let's get started with Jaden Daniels in speculation
that he could be drafted second overall by the Commanders.
Gambling odds are making it look like they think Daniels is.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Two and Drake May's three.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
However, Jaden Daniels reportedly his ideal landing spots are the
Raiders or Vikings. Now I say this reportedly because there's
no actual quote that Daniels said this, but we know
his connection to the Raiders head coach and obviously the vikings,
which everybody knows are are ready made. There are reports
that Daniels doesn't want to play for Washington, but he
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dismissed those, saying he'd be blessed to go wherever he's called.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
If a kid didn't say it, I'm not going to speculate, right,
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I mean, I think people are just at this stage,
people are guessing looking.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'll be honest with you. I tend to whenever I
get into a situation like this, I think what if
I was the player. I think Washington's exciting. I think
they have playmakers. I think it's a winnable division. I
think dan Quinn will make sure I don't have to
win shootouts. Kingsbury's work with quarterbacks like me who can
throw and move. I think Washington's exciting. They got Terry McLaurin,
so you've got to go to wide receiver. They've got
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some nice pieces. Again, you're not going to the NFC
North now that's stacked, or the AFC North that's stacked.
That's a winnable division. We're an overpaid dack. You know,
Nick Sirianni may not last Giants for a bit of
a mess. I think washing it's an incredibly exciting place
to go to. I just and and Adam Peter's running
the front office. The owner's out. I mean, there's a
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lot of good stuff in Washington right now that that
bad stink is gone. This is an exciting time and why.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They should be much improved. They could win the division
with the Aps.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Absolutely could win it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I just again, I don't want to like harp on
the COVID draft, but you know, go if you run
the tape about what all these people are saying about,
like Trey Lance and Justin Fields and mac Jones.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But everybody loved everybody, right, that's what they do. Everybody
seems to love Jayden Davis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, he was highly productive.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Brian Kelly offense two really good NFL first round receives.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Joe Burrow in the same school. He was really productive
and he had two NFL receivers. So I can't blame Jaden.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Because he got I'm just saying the scenario was really
good for him.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Listen, I like him. I wish him luck fair. I
know you love him so well. I love I think
he's really really good.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
All right, So off of the draft, this is interesting,
so the lie.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yesterday made Amara Saint Brown the highest paid receiver in
the league. So today they've handed Piney Sewell, the offensive lineman,
a four year, one hundred and twelve million dollar deal
eighty five mil guaranteed, wait for it, highest paid offensive
lineman in the NFL at twenty eight million a year.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So hold on, huh.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They make the receiver of the highest paid and now
they're tackling the highest paid. Smart moves Colin Jared Goff,
entering the final year of his deal. According to Adam Schefter,
no deal is imminent on Goff. What is really happening in.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Distartirst of all, I would absolutely lock in Penay Sewel,
He's grade. I have no problem locking in Amaran Saint Brown,
great kid, grinder, worked his butt off, a catching machine.
I like Jared Goff a lot, But if Jared wants
to be a top five paid quarterback, then you have
to consider options. Because Aiden Hotchison in two years is
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going to get the bag. So they've got the right
people being paid left tackle, star receiver and Hutchison. Eventually
you would like the quarterback to be in that group too.
But this is the DAK thing. If I'm Jared Goff.
I've been to a super Bowl. I want to win.
Jared's made a fortune in this league. He's durable. He
was that CALLI is in the NFL. He hasn't gotten
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banged up. I'd take a little less if I was
Jared Goff, so I would take a little less. I've
said before, I'm not here to tell athletes what to do.
But when you get a great environment that that Detroit
front office is out of this world good, that offensive
line is insane, it can all be about money. If
you want to retain that old line and that, I
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think you have to consider taking less.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I mean, Brady, Okay, Brad, I'm Jared Goff. I walk
in the opening line. Is you see what Daniel Jones
made forty mil? I'm better than him. I'm not taking
a cent less.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay, you know what I'd say, that's a poorly run franchise.
We're a well run franchised. We can now trade you
there if you'd like what.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We just had an awesome run to the NFC Championship game.
I didn't see Daniel Jones do that. I'm sorry. I
am a better quarterback. I'm more productive than him, and
if you want to offer me less than him, I'm out. Sorry,
I'm not doing it. Well, go find another quarterback. If
we don't let.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
The New York Giants making bad decisions affect our good decisions.
We're two separate businesses and I'm not saying you have
to make less than Daniel Jones, but we're not getting
into a tug of war with other teams financially for
Jared Goff. And I'm a Jared Goff fan, but there
are times players need to look in the mirror. I
said this about d Wade years ago. You go to Miami,
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no state, tax, aqua water, Pat Lott, Riley, Eric Spolstra,
and players want to play with you, take less, don't
go to Chicago, which he did in an hour later,
when yeah, that was dumb. There are certain breaks in
life that you have to own up to the breaks.
If you got to go play in Miami in the
NBA with Spolster and Pat Riley, you have hit the
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powerball lottery. If you get Brad Holmes upstairs in this
online as a quarterback for the next six years, you
have hit the powerball lottery. No way. Jared Goff rarely
gets touched.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Okay, it's easy for you to say that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, radio guy Joe, radio guys making ten million
a year, and you know your radio people come to
you and say, hey, we're willing to offer you seven.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're gonna be like, get that hell out of here.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
That guy's inferior to me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I'm the man. Yeah, But what if my management was
amazing and I barely had to work, barely had to
lift a finger, and old Joe radio guys out there
slaving over a hot stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You see the lot, he's laughing. Trust me, listen, I like,
I like Jared goff lot. Daniel Jones did not have
a market. Nobody was paying anywhere near that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Jared Goff will have a market. Why do I I
own a little company. You own a little bit of
a soccer team. Do you let poorly run teams dictate
terms for the league. The Mariners paid Robinson Cano for
a decade. Why do people have to go well, the
Mariners are poorly run. We have to follow suit. Don't
let bad businesses dictate terms in the marketplace. So what
do you believe is Jared Goff's market?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Because I'll say you right now, Remember I said robust
market for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We laughed, hahaha. Oh, Jared Goff is a top ten
twelve quarterback. He'll have a market and someone will pay
him forty MILLI at a hartbeat. But uf Jared Goff controls
this the the Lions, Jared Goff does. If I'm Jared Goff,
I go I don't want to play in Carolina. No,
thank you. I'm from LA I'm sorry. I don't want
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to play in Carolina. I don't want to buy another home.
He's got a place in hermosa he doesn't want to
buy enough.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
He's building a big, big house near near my friends
yet here, and I'm just saying he's got a damn
good life.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Part of the great life is great run game. Great
GM never gets touched with that offensive line plays inside
in a dome and in a division without a great
defense and division, I'm staying in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Detroit was a few minutes away from the Super Bowl
with Jared Goff. And you're willing to move off him
because the price is it right?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm stuffed to consider it. That is insanity. By the way,
who's a backup in Detroit?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm just asking you heat the backup.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Ain't getting Ben Johnson is He's sticking around and Jared
Gos's not there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
This is I have to call Gardner Minshew's a you.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Know, for the sake of this show, I hope that
the Lions pushed back against Golf.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That would be a critical mistake.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
A lot of Lions fans listen because anytime we talk
about him, I see stuff toward us on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So, by the way, nobody did what the Browns did
with Deshaun Watson then gave a guaranteed contract. Does everybody
in the league have to do that? That was stupid? Well,
if the Browns are poorly running, the Giants are poorly run,
and I think the Giants ownership forced the hand of
Joe Shine and day Bole. Why do I have to
follow suit with the Browns and the Giants? Those are
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losing franchise in the last ten years.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Okay, So Dak Prescott, you know, it seems to have lowered.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
His asking price, by the way, Yeah, should.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So you're telling me forty five is too much for
Jared GoF forty he said on the show, he's better than.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dak forty nine. Move on, you pick off forty nine yeah, oh,
what are we arguing about at the top of the
market's fifty eight to sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
No, no, he's not getting that, but i'd say more
than Daniel Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, Daniel makes forty five, We'll give you forty five
and a dime, forty five and a penny. Final story.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
NBA OKAC with a blowout of the Pelicans last night. Again,
another NBA game we called on the show your guy,
Chet Holmgren went off early six.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He's a really really elite player. I like him. Feisty too.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah, he's kind of got that dog in him.
Well you can't tell, but he has it. Shake Gildess Alexandra,
with a playoff career, had thirty three points.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
It was blowout city in the second half.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Fun to watch. There's gonna be a listen. They got
draft capital. This team's not going anywhere for a decade.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I haven't been that impressed by the Clippers, and I think, okay,
so he could probably beat them. I don't know about
the MAVs. That's a much tougher task, but they've looked
better in two.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Games than I thought, well one and a half.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Folks, you should watch Chet Holmgren. Wemby's gonna get all
the press. Chet Holme Grin is a dog.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's got guys around them.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You know. Well you see he's also really really good.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Look at that move did the discard and then the
dunk and then the little look.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They're fun.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, if I could dunk, and I dunked on someone,
I would definitely give the stair down.
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Like check two words nerfoop. Others are dunking. J Mack
with the news.
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Joel Klatt, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini on the show today.
It's just such a it's such a great time. Went
to bed early last night. I tried another sleep remedy
last night. I'm not sure if it worked or not,
but I tried another one last night. It was it
was a drink I found in the store at the
grocery store I go to next to my gym, and
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it's called Somo sleep or so sleep. So m is
a blue can. Knocked that thing down at eight. I
don't know. I went to bed, but I was tired anyway,
so I'll check back. I've tried every sleep thing on
the market, none of it. You know the same. I
chug you know, children's cough, medicine to bad. I do
anything to go to bed.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
We are so much alike.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
There's like days where I have to take Nike.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Will like three nights in a row. Yeah, in the
middle of the night, to keep going back along the
same line. It's not great, that's what I do.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But I did find this thing in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Actually, these drops that you put in water and it's
called like island chill or something silly.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't really know what's in it. Cava do you know?
Have you heard of cava? No? I've heard a fairly
put you to sleep. So I've been taking that and that's.
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Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yesterday a chart came out about the NFL Draft,
and it kind of validated what I've always believed about
the first round of the NFL Draft that essentially the
first round should be about three positions. If it's possible,
get a quarterback draft somebody who protects your quarterback, and
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then find somebody who can pressure their quarterback. I've had
this discussion with every GM I know. First round quarterback,
protect the quarterback, and then get somebody who gets their quarterback.
That's it. I mean the Chiefs right now, Mahomes, Travis
Kelcey kind of protects them on third down and Chris Jones,
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I mean, when if you start kind of looking at
how it works, the Rams, Stafford, Andrew Whitworth, Aaron Donald,
you can get receivers and tight ends, speeds all over
the draft. Second round on Now they're exceptions, like Arizona
has a bad receiving corps and Harrison is great. They're exceptions.
Randy Moss just doesn't look like anybody else. Calvin Johnson
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buy and large quarterback, protect quarterback, somebody that gets their quarterback.
So if you go look currently at the first round,
what are the teams at the top, Chicago's, Washington's, New
England's Giants, Tennessee's not a lot of great left tackles,
great quarterbacks, and great pass rushers. Then you go to
the bottom of the first round the good Teamsanta City,
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San Francisco, Baltimore, De Troit, and Buffalo. He got some
great quarterbacks, great left tackles, and great pass rushers. So
the teams at the bottom that have those don't need
to be near the top, and the teams at the
top need those. So and what makes this round one
perfect for bad teams is the first round is loaded
with quarterbacks, offensive tackles, and pass rushers. This is NFL
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drafting for dummies. Even dumb teams should be able to
figure out this draft. Quarterbacks, tackles, and pass rushers. Do
not move up for a wide receiver. Move down if
that's your number one knee. Do not move up for
a corner, quarterback, offensive tackle, either side, pass rusher. So
this draft is really real, and some of these teams,
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there's a reason it feels like the same eight teams
are always near the top of the draft. Hey, can't
figure this out. I talked about this Eldio this week.
I am still absolutely I believe that there's a third
of the coaches in this league think you can win
at the highest level with an average quarterback. I really do.
I think a lot of them believe that. And you
can't you start looking at who's ending up in the
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final four teams of this league. Haven't the last ten
all been offensive coaches? They figured it out. McVeigh moved
off Jared Goff and Goff's excellent. The Niners moved off
Garoppolo he was getting the Super bowls Andy read It
moved off Alex Smith, the Pro Bowler. The offensive coaches
all get it. You can't just be good at quarterback.
I'd argue Jared Goff is very good. Mcveaith's not. We
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have to be great. Find me the defensive coaches that
move off. I mean, defensive coaches get stubborn. We can
win with this guy and that guy. No you can't, No,
you can't. I'll give Pittsburgh credit. They moved off Kenny Pickett,
like I mean, obviously they saw stuff at practice and games.
He just can't win with that. So the other thing,
there's another story. This is really interesting. So there are
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six quarterbacks who are being discussed to go in the
first round. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, JJ McCarthy,
Bo Nicks, and Michael Pennox Junior. So let's just concentrate
on two. Because we know Caleb's going one, and we
think Pennix, bow Knicks definitely going later, McCarthy maybe going later.
Let's concentrate on Jaden Daniels LSU and Drake May Carolina.
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Jaden Daniels is older, it's going to be twenty four
in December. Jaden Daniel has two first round wide receivers
at LSU, and Daniels had a great dynamic coach. What's
interesting is through three seasons, because Drake May only played
three two is a starter only three. Through the first
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three seasons, Drake May's numbers are easily better than Jaden Daniels.
He completes more passes, almost one hundred yards total yards
per game, more seventy nine touchdown, sixteen picks. The difference
is Jaden dani Daniel's got a fourth and a fifth
season as a starter with a better coach, better on line,
and better weapons. So if you just look at this season,
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Jayden Daniels seems much better than Drake May. Drake May
didn't get that fourth season. He didn't get Brian Kelly,
he didn't get two first round receivers, he didn't get
that offensive line. So that's the interesting one. So you
have to add, you have to add context. Wit Albert
Breer was on earlier this week that talked about Drake
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May context dualizing him.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Drake had a great twenty twenty two. In fact, like
Drake's college trajectory isn't unlike Justin Herbert and Josh Allen,
like where those guys were great, they're second to last
year in school and then maybe leveled off a little
bit there last year because there was less around him.
Same sort of thing happened with Drake May. So you know,
I think a lot of it comes down to how
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much you think you can fix because he is raw.
He did not play much as a freshman, and even
his senior year in high school was bastardized because that
was the COVID year. So he's lost, you know, a
lot of opportunity to play football over the last four years.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So again, who's bigger, May stronger, may taller, may better
through three seasons may but Jaden had the better coach,
the better weapons, the better protection. So that's why this
stuff is so fascinating. I can remember when Jordan Love
had a bad last year, even got caught for, you know,
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smoking some pot, which I couldn't give a rip about,
but whatever, it was part of the narrative like he's immature,
and maybe he was at the time. But remember three
of the best young quarterbacks in this league, four of
them came into this sport really raw. I mean, Lamar
Jackson wasn't great from the pocket, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
and Jordan Love, but teams said, oh they have traits
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that the other guys don't have, We're just gonna polish them.
So Buffalo got Josh Allen, Brian Day and Mahomes got
Andy Reid and sat for a year, and Lamar Jackson
sat for ten or eleven weeks behind a great old line,
and Jordan Love sat for three years. So my take
on Drake May is if he gets the right offensive coach,
like a Kevin O'Connell, If he gets the right offensive
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coach and doesn't have to play behind Sam Darnold for
a year, Drake May could be the Josh Allen, the
Lamar Jackson of this class. Now, my take is, Jaden
Daniels is better this morning, and he's ready to play now,
microwaven ready to play, and I think that's why Washington
takes him. I also think Cliff Kingsbury's history is more
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about Jaden Daniels than it is Drake May. I think
Washington has a new owner. They've been bad for years, dysfunctional.
I think they want to win now. And I think
if you look at dan Quinn, their weapons, Jaden's multiple programs,
multiple years of starting, Jaden's electric I mean right across
you know he got over. There's Baltimore's Lamar Jackson. Here
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in Washington, Jaden Daniels, whose comp is Lamar Jackson, Washington
sees how popular Lamar Jackson is even in DC, and
they're like, we can get a Lamar Jackson. We can
get a guy that Cliff Kingsbury work. I think the
Jaden Daniels thing to Washington, I've heard that's the choice
that's gonna work. I think it's gonna work. But in
terms of ceiling, bigger, stronger arm, we have a history
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in this league. Kansas City did it, Buffalo did it,
Baltimore did it, Green Bay. These are well run organizations.
They're like, yeah, this guy's raw, but there's a lot here.
I had two conversations with Jordan Love. One GM was
worried about him, one GM loved him, and they both said,
when a guy's really good the year before he comes
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out to college and struggles in the year his last year,
he usually lost a great receiver a coordinator. Well, that
happened to Drake May. So you get a downgraded coordinator,
maybe you lose a star receiver, maybe somebody now in
the transfer portal league, you lose a really good right
tackle or center, Your protection's not as good, your schedule
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is a little harder. So all that stuff. That's why
this is. You know, nobody knows. Hey, when anybody ever
takes shots at me because I miss on draft picks,
I'm like, hey, take your shots. The smartest guys I
know in this league. I've talked to Bill Poullion, I've
talked to Brett Veach. All these guys will admit. I mean,
Kansas City's as well run as anybody. They've missed on
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multiple early round receivers, they missed on a first round
running back. They went and drafted a running back in
the seventh round. He's better than the first round guy.
This is a complete inexact science. It's like banging on
Derek Jeter because he didn't bat a thousand. Nobody's doing that.
This is an inexact science. Drake May is fascinating. You
can certainly argue he's the Jordan Love, the Josh Allen,
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the Lamar. He's the guy that's raw. But man, if
you start inspecting him in his first three seasons, there's
a lot to like.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Twenty fourteen draft, here are the quarterbacks who went okay.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Blake Bortles went through.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Overall, a lot of people liked him.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Lake Portles, Okay, we know how he turned out. Johnny
Manziel will just rough forget about that now. Teddy Bridgewater
went thirty second. Here are the quarterbacks who went in
the second round. Derek Carr, who's.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Had a better career than those three guys combined.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, and then Jimmy Garoppolo, who's made a lot of
money and into a Super Bowl and nearly won one.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Again, the teams don't know right, nobody has any clue
who's going to be great, and circumstance matters, it seems
like more than any Remember Mitch Trubisky a few years
ago went ahead of Patrick.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
There's only a couple of positions in pro football where
circumstances don't matter. If you're a great running back talent,
here's the ball, find the hole. Adriyan Peterson would have
succeeded anywhere. Walter Payton didn't have great coaches in management,
Barry Sanders didn't running backs one of those you got
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it or you don't. I would say cornerback Sauce Gardner,
Jets or a circus. He's great. Denver was a circus
for a year. Patrick Shirtan's great running back in corner.
You can either do it or you can't. Didn't matter
where Dion was gonna play, he could lock people down.
Sauce Gardener, Patrick Shirtan, either you are elder, you're not.
Darren the Jet, the former Jet of Pittsburgh Corner, grievous
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dude was just gonna make it. He bounced all over
the league. He was good everywhere running back corner, outside
of that, and maybe to some degree, some degree wide receiver.
Although you are very dependent. Larry Fitzgerald was as good
as his quarterback. When his quarterbacks were great, he was
a Hall of Famer first round. When they weren't, he
was still really good. But you are somewhat. I mean,
look at Randy Moss with Tom Brady and Randy Moss
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with everybody else. But I mean, to me, running back
in corner are the two. If you can play, you
can play, You'll be great anywhere, and you'll know very early.
There's no late blooming running backs that hit in year four.
Same with Sauce Gardner, Sir Tan, you can tell by
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh ride, It's Draft Day Thursday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Good night's sleep, Ready to roll? Tonight is the night
of nights. Been a draftnick for thirty years, twenty years,
however long you've been doing this. Love the NFL Draft forever.
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Jmak I think you feel the same way. It is
now almost its own professional sports. We talk more about
the draft. The ratings for the Draft are bigger than
most sports regular season games tonight all in streaming, radio, audio, TV.
Massive numbers for something that have just grown and grown
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and grown. Now they're moving it around the country. It's
in Detroit, great city, so I can't wait for tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, teams have done a great job keeping things under wraps.
As to what's gonna happen at two three, Like, there's
still some mystery that hasn't been the case in recent years.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All Right, my final mock draft one hour from now.
So uh draft rumors this morning. The rumor is three
teams have called the Chargers about that number five overall pick.
I've been told the Chargers want to move down. Here's
my three big takes tonight. Number one. Arizona has eleven picks,
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two in the first and three in the third. They're
gonna win the draft. They're gonna get the most good players.
And the reason the draft tonight is gonna get bigger ratings.
If you take their team ratings on the two networks,
it's on than any NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL regular
season game and some of those playoff games in those sports.
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Is Arizona. Arizona does what happens to one or two
or three teams a year. You change your entire franchise right,
Six or seven of those draft picks out of eleven
become starters. Four or five are really good starters. And
remember Houston did this last year and they went into
a draft without a quarterback yet. So Arizona's got all
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these picks, all these premium picks, and they've got a
star quarterback. So I think Arizona wins the draft. They'll
come out of the weekend the most improved team. My
second take is the most fascinating team will be the Chargers.
They want to move down. That's why Jim Harbaugh has
been on this. JJ McCarthy's the best quarterback in the draft.
He wants people to believe that because he wants more
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of a frenzy in the top five picks so he
can move down and improve his team. So he's trying
to create urgency. Also may select several Michigan players they
want to move down. I'm told I'm not sure they'll
get a taker. I think New England probably gets to
take her at three. But I think they'll be the
most fascinating team. And finally, the Chicago Bears will make
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the discussion last for twenty years. Twenty years from now.
There's a possibility the only draft we talk about of
all these teams drafting tonight, my guess is the Chicago Bears.
It's hard to explain how a nept they have been offensively.
They have never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards.
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How is that possible. They've never had a quarterback not
one throw for thirty touchdowns in a season. The Packers
have done that eighteen times, teams with four different quarterbacks.
The Chicago Bears butcher quarterback like rock stars trashed hotel
rooms in the eighties. They just can't get it right.
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They even when they draft talented people, they screw it up.
But this Chicago team is different. The general manager is
a former player. He's had a great last year. They
have good wide receivers, two of them, good tight ends,
two of them, a nice running back who can catch
the ball. In the offensive line, Ryan Pulls the GMS,
a former offensive lineman. It's a pretty interesting young offensive line.
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And this is the draft hard to screw it up.
Best quarterback talent arguably since Josh Allen or Andrew Luck
and the Bears have Carolina's pick, so they have number one,
and they're gonna take Caleb Williams, a guy who doesn't
throw interceptions and scores a lot of touchdowns and behind
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bad old lines. With one receiver of note, Jordan Addison,
now a Viking. They led the nation in offense the
last two years. So this is my take Arizona comes
out of the weekend the most improved team. The ar
Marger's draft they furiously want to move down will be
the most fascinating and the most historic for an NFL
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historic franchise will be the Chicago Bears. I think they
finally get quarterback right and even they won't screw it
up draft tonight can't wait. One NBA story worth talking
about today, Not sure if you watched it, but the Celtics,
and this has become sort of a regular thing, lost
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at home again in the playoffs. They are six and
seven at home last two years. Ask yourself a question
for all those who push back on my cynicism. Maybe
that's too strident a word, but my questions about the Celtics,
ask yourself this, name the last great NBA champion that
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was bad at home in the playoffs. Now, Miami was
absurdly hot. Miami shot forty four to threes and hit
twenty three of them over fifty three percent. That's insane.
Won't happen again an all time playoffs shooting night. But
it's sort of a theme, now, isn't it. This great
Celtic team loses a home playoff game and or Jason
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Tatum can shrink late in games. One of those two
things happen sometimes, both with sort of regularity. And here's
the thing with the Celtics. Be totally honest, there's nothing
to fear about the Celtics. MJ and the Bulls physicality, intimidating, Shaq,
Kobe Shack coming downhill, intimidating, that blizzard of talent with
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the Miami heat, Lebron and d Wade in their prime, intimidating.
There have been a lot of teams you fear Steph
Clay kd embarrassing you with an onslaught of threes, blowing
you out in the playoffs by thirty. Fear the Celtics,
well they're deep. Nobody fears the Celtics. Nobody's a friend
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to go into the garden, certainly not Miami. In fact,
I would argue that Miami creates fear playoff Jimmy heat
cultures on the jerseys more than a slogan, it's who
they are. Will spolstra out coach your coach, lighton games.
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There's a lot to fear about Miami. Nobody wants to
play Miami in the playoffs. Yet last night, after beating
the Celtics in Boston. Jimmy Butler is trolling the Celtics.
Got an Instagram post showing him in a Celtic jersey, says,
don't let us get one. You do not troll. Mike
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Tyson in his prime. And if all these good NBA
teams were heavyweight fighters, the Celtics feel more like Larry
Holmes than Tyson. They'll jab you, but the knockout punches
not that memorable. I don't know. Fear is supposed to
be a real thing with great teams. I mean, the
Spurs may have been boring, but they would mechanically and
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efficiently wear you out. Lebrond Waded in their prime. Watch
out Steph Clay, kd Shack Downhill, Kobe on the perimeter,
MJ's relentlessness, the Bull's length and defense, Phil Jackson's coaching.
Who fears the Celtics. They're not even good at home?
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I mean really, now the pressure's all on Boston. Miami
has home court, and Miami has the better coach. Here's
Charles Barkley after.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
This was a shocker to me. This team.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It started last game.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
When you're up thirty four and you let them back
in the game, you get from thirty four to twelve.
They probably got some things going. But number one, you
have to say, you say, what the hell is going
on when those guys play at home?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Even and I'm not even just talking about tonight, but.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
For the talent they've had the last four or five years,
to be five hundred at home is something I don't
even know how to explain that exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Go look at the past four postseasons. Celtics are like
hovering around five hundred under five hundred at home. That's
not the way it works. Shaq and Kobe, d Wade, Lebron,
MJ's bulls. I mean, they'd lose an occasional home game.
You didn't want to go into that building. It was
an L almost always an L. Boston. It's a coin flip.
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And now the pressure's all on the Celtics, all of
it home court advantage, Miami, better coach Miami again. The
Eastern Conference is so weak as they roll through it.
It's almost like college football. If you're play in a
weaker conference like Clemson for years and you roll over everybody,
and if you come from a stronger conference, the Big
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Ten or the SEC, you kind of look at, are
we over valuing, and we do this. We owe value
teams from weaker conferences who bullyball teams all regular season.
Once again, Boston all the pressure, losing home court advantage.
I don't like to say cynicism, because I do think
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Boston should roll through the East, But it is hard
to explain. Does anybody fear the Celtics? And what would
you fear about them? They're deep, that's not really something
you generally fear. A relentless player, yokich an unstoppable player, efficiency, maniacal, tough, physical.
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I'll tell you a team that worries me. I wouldn't
want to play the Knicks. I got nothing to lose
house money. Nobody plays harder than the Knicks. They're winning
in Jalen Brunson's playing poorly. What do you fear about
the Celtics? They got talent. It's the NBA, so it's okay.
See those Minnesota j Marck. That was interesting. I don't know.
I still think Boston's gonna win the series, but it's
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Barkley's on this. How do you explain it? Four years now?
Not very good at home? I'll try.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
First of all, we gave out heat first quarter yesterday.
I remember on the show I Hold Your.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Notes plus your night, Philadelphia plus the points, best bet
on the board. Well, they're they're favored Philadelphia. Yeah, Philadelphia,
excuse me, minus five. They're gonna they're gonna blow them out.
I think they waxed the next but real quick.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So do you remember the twenty fifteen Warriors, the first
year Curry won the title. They won sixty seven games
and all season long. Barkley and the TNT crew, they're
soft jump shooters. This team's not built and they fall
down two to one to Memphis Grizzlies and Tony Allen
and those guys.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah and everybody, Oh, Warriors, they were frauds. That's what
this feels like.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Miami Heat have a fluky game, make twenty five, twenty
three threes.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Everybody's saying, Austin, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I saw somebody, Kevin O'Connor, the guy who comes on here,
said the Celtics would get swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They can't match with it.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Like all these guys are hammering the Celtics off.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
One game is more of a theme. It's not one game,
it's four years of being mediocre at home.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'll buy that that's an issue. I don't understand why
they come.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Up layman it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Denver is not only good at home, they have an
altitude advantage and they have a great player, whereas Boston
has Jason Tatum, who we continue to worry about closing
out a huge series.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Who's we I'm not worried about Tatum?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Celtics in five? Right, Come on, neighbor's supposed to sweep
these guys, All right? Yeah? What a day NFL Draft Day.
Joel Klatt, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini. We are loaded.
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the Jets. According to Rich Somini, who's covered the Jets
for a long time in New York, the Jets are
quote exploring trading up for a playmaker in the draft
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to help Aaron Rodgers. Let's go back to that chart yesterday.
Last twenty years, here are the hits and misses percentage
in the NFL. The rumors you hear about the Jets
on wide receiver or tight end Brockbauers playmakers, those miss
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last twenty drafts more than any position. What the Jets need,
offensive tackle is the second safest position, and the first
round is loaded with great offensive tackles. What would I
do if I was the Jets, I'd move down middle
of first round, get a second round pick. But why
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would the Jets move up? Because of a del they've
had for a long time, which is they're just one
playmaker away. Remember that's what they felt with Aaron Rodgers.
Just get Aaron Rodgers super Bowl. Yeah, but nobody to
protect them and needs an old quarterback. So the Jets
actually need an offensive tackle or actually two if you're
counting the future, a wide receiver or two, a tight end,
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a quarterback for the future, and maybe a cheap inside
athletic linebacker. And they don't currently have a second round pick,
only seven picks, and they need about seven guys to
be drafted on offense. So as the Jets enter tonight's draft,
what I would be thinking about is that first game,
fourth play of the season, where Aaron Rodgers is on
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the field. I would do whatever it takes to ensure
that Aaron Rodgers is upright, rarely sacked, and healthy. That
will ensure the Jets are viable. It doesn't ensure they're great.
It ensures they're viable. Aaron Rodger that defense and a
run game behind an improved offensive line ensures they're viable.
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Aaron gets hurt, season over embarrassing again. So two things
happen every April. We pay our taxes and the Jets
convince themselves they're a playmaker away from being great. They
are not. That is delusion. They're not close to San
Francisco's roster, Green Bay's roster, Detroit's roster after this draft,
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the Rams roster, Philadelphia's roster. The only thing that guarantees
viability this year is Aaron plays every game. You'll be viable.
Maybe a playoff team, maybe I'll come around. But a
flashy wide receiver from LSU. When Aaron and Tom Brady's
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history was, they don't love young wide receivers, not just
an aeron thing. Tom didn't love them. So the Jets
are exploring trading up for a playmaker. I would do
the exact opposite in a loaded first round of tackles,
Tyron Smith for the Cowboys, gonna play thirteen games, maybe twelve.
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Lucky you'll get fourteen. Go get the future at left tackle.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You winced when you saw that story Jet.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Just as the Jets are exploring trading up, I'm exploring
a new Lamborghini, Colin, I don't know if I mentioned
that to you. I went to a Lambeau dealership. I'm
looking at Lamborghini's exploring.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do you really need that? This is nonsense from happiness.
I love the draft. Oh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I do love the draft, but some of this nonsense.
The Jets are not trading up. That's stupid. They are
of picks. They need picks. You trade down that listen.
The smartest thing you can do in the draft, I'm
gonna say this fifty times today, is you trade down
and get more picks. Because as much as we think
these guys know what they're doing, none of these guys
do what they're doing. How many whiffs do we have
every single week?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And the Patriots were good at drafting Ie when Belichick
didn't run it, they traded down and accumulated picks because
they thought it was a math equation. You're gonna miss
on one out of three picks totally, so just get
more picks, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Keep drafting, and if
you can get four to five good players per draft,
you're great. That's why Arizona tonight with eleven picks as
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of right now. If you hit on half of them,
Arizona's got a really good football team. If Marvin Harrison
is as good as you think, they got to tie
end a running back, Kyler Murray, you hitting a tackle,
you hitting an edge rusher. Arizona next year's a viable
football That's.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Why when you hear trade up, you're like, who what
are they doing?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Anyways?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
All right, let's get started with Jaden Daniels in speculation
that he could be drafted second overall by the Commanders.
Gambling odds are making it look like they think Daniels is.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Two and Drake May's three.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
However, Jaden Daniels reportedly his ideal landing spots are the
Raiders or Vikings. Now I say this reportedly because there's
no actual quote that Daniels said this, but we know
his connection to the Raiders head coach and obviously the vikings,
which everybody knows are are ready made. There are reports
that Daniels doesn't want to play for Washington, but he
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dismissed those, saying he'd be blessed to go wherever he's called.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
If a kid didn't say it, I'm not going to speculate, right,
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I mean, I think people are just at this stage,
people are guessing looking.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'll be honest with you. I tend to whenever I
get into a situation like this, I think what if
I was the player. I think Washington's exciting. I think
they have playmakers. I think it's a winnable division. I
think dan Quinn will make sure I don't have to
win shootouts. Kingsbury's work with quarterbacks like me who can
throw and move. I think Washington's exciting. They got Terry McLaurin,
so you've got to go to wide receiver. They've got
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some nice pieces. Again, you're not going to the NFC
North now that's stacked, or the AFC North that's stacked.
That's a winnable division. We're an overpaid dack. You know,
Nick Sirianni may not last Giants for a bit of
a mess. I think washing it's an incredibly exciting place
to go to. I just and and Adam Peter's running
the front office. The owner's out. I mean, there's a
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lot of good stuff in Washington right now that that
bad stink is gone. This is an exciting time and why.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They should be much improved. They could win the division
with the Aps.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Absolutely could win it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I just again, I don't want to like harp on
the COVID draft, but you know, go if you run
the tape about what all these people are saying about,
like Trey Lance and Justin Fields and mac Jones.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But everybody loved everybody, right, that's what they do. Everybody
seems to love Jayden Davis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, he was highly productive.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Brian Kelly offense two really good NFL first round receives.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Joe Burrow in the same school. He was really productive
and he had two NFL receivers. So I can't blame Jaden.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Because he got I'm just saying the scenario was really
good for him.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Listen, I like him. I wish him luck fair. I
know you love him so well. I love I think
he's really really good.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
All right, So off of the draft, this is interesting,
so the lie.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yesterday made Amara Saint Brown the highest paid receiver in
the league. So today they've handed Piney Sewell, the offensive lineman,
a four year, one hundred and twelve million dollar deal
eighty five mil guaranteed, wait for it, highest paid offensive
lineman in the NFL at twenty eight million a year.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So hold on, huh.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They make the receiver of the highest paid and now
they're tackling the highest paid. Smart moves Colin Jared Goff,
entering the final year of his deal. According to Adam Schefter,
no deal is imminent on Goff. What is really happening in.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Distartirst of all, I would absolutely lock in Penay Sewel,
He's grade. I have no problem locking in Amaran Saint Brown,
great kid, grinder, worked his butt off, a catching machine.
I like Jared Goff a lot, But if Jared wants
to be a top five paid quarterback, then you have
to consider options. Because Aiden Hotchison in two years is
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going to get the bag. So they've got the right
people being paid left tackle, star receiver and Hutchison. Eventually
you would like the quarterback to be in that group too.
But this is the DAK thing. If I'm Jared Goff.
I've been to a super Bowl. I want to win.
Jared's made a fortune in this league. He's durable. He
was that CALLI is in the NFL. He hasn't gotten
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banged up. I'd take a little less if I was
Jared Goff, so I would take a little less. I've
said before, I'm not here to tell athletes what to do.
But when you get a great environment that that Detroit
front office is out of this world good, that offensive
line is insane, it can all be about money. If
you want to retain that old line and that, I
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think you have to consider taking less.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I mean, Brady, Okay, Brad, I'm Jared Goff. I walk
in the opening line. Is you see what Daniel Jones
made forty mil? I'm better than him. I'm not taking
a cent less.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay, you know what I'd say, that's a poorly run franchise.
We're a well run franchised. We can now trade you
there if you'd like what.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We just had an awesome run to the NFC Championship game.
I didn't see Daniel Jones do that. I'm sorry. I
am a better quarterback. I'm more productive than him, and
if you want to offer me less than him, I'm out. Sorry,
I'm not doing it. Well, go find another quarterback. If
we don't let.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
The New York Giants making bad decisions affect our good decisions.
We're two separate businesses and I'm not saying you have
to make less than Daniel Jones, but we're not getting
into a tug of war with other teams financially for
Jared Goff. And I'm a Jared Goff fan, but there
are times players need to look in the mirror. I
said this about d Wade years ago. You go to Miami,
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no state, tax, aqua water, Pat Lott, Riley, Eric Spolstra,
and players want to play with you, take less, don't
go to Chicago, which he did in an hour later,
when yeah, that was dumb. There are certain breaks in
life that you have to own up to the breaks.
If you got to go play in Miami in the
NBA with Spolster and Pat Riley, you have hit the
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powerball lottery. If you get Brad Holmes upstairs in this
online as a quarterback for the next six years, you
have hit the powerball lottery. No way. Jared Goff rarely
gets touched.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Okay, it's easy for you to say that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, radio guy Joe, radio guys making ten million
a year, and you know your radio people come to
you and say, hey, we're willing to offer you seven.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're gonna be like, get that hell out of here.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
That guy's inferior to me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I'm the man. Yeah, But what if my management was
amazing and I barely had to work, barely had to
lift a finger, and old Joe radio guys out there
slaving over a hot stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You see the lot, he's laughing. Trust me, listen, I like,
I like Jared goff lot. Daniel Jones did not have
a market. Nobody was paying anywhere near that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Jared Goff will have a market. Why do I I
own a little company. You own a little bit of
a soccer team. Do you let poorly run teams dictate
terms for the league. The Mariners paid Robinson Cano for
a decade. Why do people have to go well, the
Mariners are poorly run. We have to follow suit. Don't
let bad businesses dictate terms in the marketplace. So what
do you believe is Jared Goff's market?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Because I'll say you right now, Remember I said robust
market for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We laughed, hahaha. Oh, Jared Goff is a top ten
twelve quarterback. He'll have a market and someone will pay
him forty MILLI at a hartbeat. But uf Jared Goff controls
this the the Lions, Jared Goff does. If I'm Jared Goff,
I go I don't want to play in Carolina. No,
thank you. I'm from LA I'm sorry. I don't want
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to play in Carolina. I don't want to buy another home.
He's got a place in hermosa he doesn't want to
buy enough.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
He's building a big, big house near near my friends
yet here, and I'm just saying he's got a damn
good life.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Part of the great life is great run game. Great
GM never gets touched with that offensive line plays inside
in a dome and in a division without a great
defense and division, I'm staying in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Detroit was a few minutes away from the Super Bowl
with Jared Goff. And you're willing to move off him
because the price is it right?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm stuffed to consider it. That is insanity. By the way,
who's a backup in Detroit?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm just asking you heat the backup.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Ain't getting Ben Johnson is He's sticking around and Jared
Gos's not there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
This is I have to call Gardner Minshew's a you.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Know, for the sake of this show, I hope that
the Lions pushed back against Golf.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That would be a critical mistake.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
A lot of Lions fans listen because anytime we talk
about him, I see stuff toward us on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So, by the way, nobody did what the Browns did
with Deshaun Watson then gave a guaranteed contract. Does everybody
in the league have to do that? That was stupid? Well,
if the Browns are poorly running, the Giants are poorly run,
and I think the Giants ownership forced the hand of
Joe Shine and day Bole. Why do I have to
follow suit with the Browns and the Giants? Those are
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losing franchise in the last ten years.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Okay, So Dak Prescott, you know, it seems to have lowered.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
His asking price, by the way, Yeah, should.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So you're telling me forty five is too much for
Jared GoF forty he said on the show, he's better than.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dak forty nine. Move on, you pick off forty nine yeah, oh,
what are we arguing about at the top of the
market's fifty eight to sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
No, no, he's not getting that, but i'd say more
than Daniel Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, Daniel makes forty five, We'll give you forty five
and a dime, forty five and a penny. Final story.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
NBA OKAC with a blowout of the Pelicans last night. Again,
another NBA game we called on the show your guy,
Chet Holmgren went off early six.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He's a really really elite player. I like him. Feisty too.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah, he's kind of got that dog in him.
Well you can't tell, but he has it. Shake Gildess Alexandra,
with a playoff career, had thirty three points.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
It was blowout city in the second half.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Fun to watch. There's gonna be a listen. They got
draft capital. This team's not going anywhere for a decade.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I haven't been that impressed by the Clippers, and I think, okay,
so he could probably beat them. I don't know about
the MAVs. That's a much tougher task, but they've looked
better in two.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Games than I thought, well one and a half.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Folks, you should watch Chet Holmgren. Wemby's gonna get all
the press. Chet Holme Grin is a dog.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's got guys around them.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You know. Well you see he's also really really good.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Look at that move did the discard and then the
dunk and then the little look.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They're fun.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, if I could dunk, and I dunked on someone,
I would definitely give the stair down.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like check two words nerfoop. Others are dunking. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Joel Klatt, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini on the show today.
It's just such a it's such a great time. Went
to bed early last night. I tried another sleep remedy
last night. I'm not sure if it worked or not,
but I tried another one last night. It was it
was a drink I found in the store at the
grocery store I go to next to my gym, and
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it's called Somo sleep or so sleep. So m is
a blue can. Knocked that thing down at eight. I
don't know. I went to bed, but I was tired anyway,
so I'll check back. I've tried every sleep thing on
the market, none of it. You know the same. I
chug you know, children's cough, medicine to bad. I do
anything to go to bed.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
We are so much alike.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
There's like days where I have to take Nike.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Will like three nights in a row. Yeah, in the
middle of the night, to keep going back along the
same line. It's not great, that's what I do.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But I did find this thing in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Actually, these drops that you put in water and it's
called like island chill or something silly.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't really know what's in it. Cava do you know?
Have you heard of cava? No? I've heard a fairly
put you to sleep. So I've been taking that and that's.
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Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yesterday a chart came out about the NFL Draft,
and it kind of validated what I've always believed about
the first round of the NFL Draft that essentially the
first round should be about three positions. If it's possible,
get a quarterback draft somebody who protects your quarterback, and
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then find somebody who can pressure their quarterback. I've had
this discussion with every GM I know. First round quarterback,
protect the quarterback, and then get somebody who gets their quarterback.
That's it. I mean the Chiefs right now, Mahomes, Travis
Kelcey kind of protects them on third down and Chris Jones,
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I mean, when if you start kind of looking at
how it works, the Rams, Stafford, Andrew Whitworth, Aaron Donald,
you can get receivers and tight ends, speeds all over
the draft. Second round on Now they're exceptions, like Arizona
has a bad receiving corps and Harrison is great. They're exceptions.
Randy Moss just doesn't look like anybody else. Calvin Johnson
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buy and large quarterback, protect quarterback, somebody that gets their quarterback.
So if you go look currently at the first round,
what are the teams at the top, Chicago's, Washington's, New
England's Giants, Tennessee's not a lot of great left tackles,
great quarterbacks, and great pass rushers. Then you go to
the bottom of the first round the good Teamsanta City,
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San Francisco, Baltimore, De Troit, and Buffalo. He got some
great quarterbacks, great left tackles, and great pass rushers. So
the teams at the bottom that have those don't need
to be near the top, and the teams at the
top need those. So and what makes this round one
perfect for bad teams is the first round is loaded
with quarterbacks, offensive tackles, and pass rushers. This is NFL
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drafting for dummies. Even dumb teams should be able to
figure out this draft. Quarterbacks, tackles, and pass rushers. Do
not move up for a wide receiver. Move down if
that's your number one knee. Do not move up for
a corner, quarterback, offensive tackle, either side, pass rusher. So
this draft is really real, and some of these teams,
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there's a reason it feels like the same eight teams
are always near the top of the draft. Hey, can't
figure this out. I talked about this Eldio this week.
I am still absolutely I believe that there's a third
of the coaches in this league think you can win
at the highest level with an average quarterback. I really do.
I think a lot of them believe that. And you
can't you start looking at who's ending up in the
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final four teams of this league. Haven't the last ten
all been offensive coaches? They figured it out. McVeigh moved
off Jared Goff and Goff's excellent. The Niners moved off
Garoppolo he was getting the Super bowls Andy read It
moved off Alex Smith, the Pro Bowler. The offensive coaches
all get it. You can't just be good at quarterback.
I'd argue Jared Goff is very good. Mcveaith's not. We
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have to be great. Find me the defensive coaches that
move off. I mean, defensive coaches get stubborn. We can
win with this guy and that guy. No you can't, No,
you can't. I'll give Pittsburgh credit. They moved off Kenny Pickett,
like I mean, obviously they saw stuff at practice and games.
He just can't win with that. So the other thing,
there's another story. This is really interesting. So there are
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six quarterbacks who are being discussed to go in the
first round. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, JJ McCarthy,
Bo Nicks, and Michael Pennox Junior. So let's just concentrate
on two. Because we know Caleb's going one, and we
think Pennix, bow Knicks definitely going later, McCarthy maybe going later.
Let's concentrate on Jaden Daniels LSU and Drake May Carolina.
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Jaden Daniels is older, it's going to be twenty four
in December. Jaden Daniel has two first round wide receivers
at LSU, and Daniels had a great dynamic coach. What's
interesting is through three seasons, because Drake May only played
three two is a starter only three. Through the first
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three seasons, Drake May's numbers are easily better than Jaden Daniels.
He completes more passes, almost one hundred yards total yards
per game, more seventy nine touchdown, sixteen picks. The difference
is Jaden dani Daniel's got a fourth and a fifth
season as a starter with a better coach, better on line,
and better weapons. So if you just look at this season,
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Jayden Daniels seems much better than Drake May. Drake May
didn't get that fourth season. He didn't get Brian Kelly,
he didn't get two first round receivers, he didn't get
that offensive line. So that's the interesting one. So you
have to add, you have to add context. Wit Albert
Breer was on earlier this week that talked about Drake
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May context dualizing him.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Drake had a great twenty twenty two. In fact, like
Drake's college trajectory isn't unlike Justin Herbert and Josh Allen,
like where those guys were great, they're second to last
year in school and then maybe leveled off a little
bit there last year because there was less around him.
Same sort of thing happened with Drake May. So you know,
I think a lot of it comes down to how
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much you think you can fix because he is raw.
He did not play much as a freshman, and even
his senior year in high school was bastardized because that
was the COVID year. So he's lost, you know, a
lot of opportunity to play football over the last four years.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So again, who's bigger, May stronger, may taller, may better
through three seasons may but Jaden had the better coach,
the better weapons, the better protection. So that's why this
stuff is so fascinating. I can remember when Jordan Love
had a bad last year, even got caught for, you know,
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smoking some pot, which I couldn't give a rip about,
but whatever, it was part of the narrative like he's immature,
and maybe he was at the time. But remember three
of the best young quarterbacks in this league, four of
them came into this sport really raw. I mean, Lamar
Jackson wasn't great from the pocket, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
and Jordan Love, but teams said, oh they have traits
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that the other guys don't have, We're just gonna polish them.
So Buffalo got Josh Allen, Brian Day and Mahomes got
Andy Reid and sat for a year, and Lamar Jackson
sat for ten or eleven weeks behind a great old line,
and Jordan Love sat for three years. So my take
on Drake May is if he gets the right offensive coach,
like a Kevin O'Connell, If he gets the right offensive
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coach and doesn't have to play behind Sam Darnold for
a year, Drake May could be the Josh Allen, the
Lamar Jackson of this class. Now, my take is, Jaden
Daniels is better this morning, and he's ready to play now,
microwaven ready to play, and I think that's why Washington
takes him. I also think Cliff Kingsbury's history is more
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about Jaden Daniels than it is Drake May. I think
Washington has a new owner. They've been bad for years, dysfunctional.
I think they want to win now. And I think
if you look at dan Quinn, their weapons, Jaden's multiple programs,
multiple years of starting, Jaden's electric I mean right across
you know he got over. There's Baltimore's Lamar Jackson. Here
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in Washington, Jaden Daniels, whose comp is Lamar Jackson, Washington
sees how popular Lamar Jackson is even in DC, and
they're like, we can get a Lamar Jackson. We can
get a guy that Cliff Kingsbury work. I think the
Jaden Daniels thing to Washington, I've heard that's the choice
that's gonna work. I think it's gonna work. But in
terms of ceiling, bigger, stronger arm, we have a history
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in this league. Kansas City did it, Buffalo did it,
Baltimore did it, Green Bay. These are well run organizations.
They're like, yeah, this guy's raw, but there's a lot here.
I had two conversations with Jordan Love. One GM was
worried about him, one GM loved him, and they both said,
when a guy's really good the year before he comes
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out to college and struggles in the year his last year,
he usually lost a great receiver a coordinator. Well, that
happened to Drake May. So you get a downgraded coordinator,
maybe you lose a star receiver, maybe somebody now in
the transfer portal league, you lose a really good right
tackle or center, Your protection's not as good, your schedule
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is a little harder. So all that stuff. That's why
this is. You know, nobody knows. Hey, when anybody ever
takes shots at me because I miss on draft picks,
I'm like, hey, take your shots. The smartest guys I
know in this league. I've talked to Bill Poullion, I've
talked to Brett Veach. All these guys will admit. I mean,
Kansas City's as well run as anybody. They've missed on
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multiple early round receivers, they missed on a first round
running back. They went and drafted a running back in
the seventh round. He's better than the first round guy.
This is a complete inexact science. It's like banging on
Derek Jeter because he didn't bat a thousand. Nobody's doing that.
This is an inexact science. Drake May is fascinating. You
can certainly argue he's the Jordan Love, the Josh Allen,
(38:45):
the Lamar. He's the guy that's raw. But man, if
you start inspecting him in his first three seasons, there's
a lot to like.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Twenty fourteen draft, here are the quarterbacks who went okay.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Blake Bortles went through.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Overall, a lot of people liked him.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Lake Portles, Okay, we know how he turned out. Johnny
Manziel will just rough forget about that now. Teddy Bridgewater
went thirty second. Here are the quarterbacks who went in
the second round. Derek Carr, who's.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Had a better career than those three guys combined.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, and then Jimmy Garoppolo, who's made a lot of
money and into a Super Bowl and nearly won one.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Again, the teams don't know right, nobody has any clue
who's going to be great, and circumstance matters, it seems
like more than any Remember Mitch Trubisky a few years
ago went ahead of Patrick.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
There's only a couple of positions in pro football where
circumstances don't matter. If you're a great running back talent,
here's the ball, find the hole. Adriyan Peterson would have
succeeded anywhere. Walter Payton didn't have great coaches in management,
Barry Sanders didn't running backs one of those you got
(39:55):
it or you don't. I would say cornerback Sauce Gardner,
Jets or a circus. He's great. Denver was a circus
for a year. Patrick Shirtan's great running back in corner.
You can either do it or you can't. Didn't matter
where Dion was gonna play, he could lock people down.
Sauce Gardener, Patrick Shirtan, either you are elder, you're not.
Darren the Jet, the former Jet of Pittsburgh Corner, grievous
(40:20):
dude was just gonna make it. He bounced all over
the league. He was good everywhere running back corner, outside
of that, and maybe to some degree, some degree wide receiver.
Although you are very dependent. Larry Fitzgerald was as good
as his quarterback. When his quarterbacks were great, he was
a Hall of Famer first round. When they weren't, he
was still really good. But you are somewhat. I mean,
look at Randy Moss with Tom Brady and Randy Moss
(40:41):
with everybody else. But I mean, to me, running back
in corner are the two. If you can play, you
can play, You'll be great anywhere, and you'll know very early.
There's no late blooming running backs that hit in year four.
Same with Sauce Gardner, Sir Tan, you can tell by
Thanksgiving rookie year got it
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