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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. The the dead cap money.
Nobody said it's ideal, but the way these NFL teams
do it now, you can restructure contracts, you can get
more guaranteed money. The Rams had been up against it
for years and years in their long rebuild. Last of
the Year. Last year was supposed to be, Oh, this
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big rebuild. You hit a couple draft picks. Pukin Naku
is a star. Stafford has protection. If you have Matt
Stafford and Sean McVay, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna
be fine. All the problems in the NFL are not
nearly as big a problems as you think they're not.
I mean, if if the Denver Broncos that rush end
they picked and bo Nick's work, they're good. The Broncos
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is gonna be a nine to ten win team. If
Bonnicks can play and the rush end they got I
think from Utah. If these guys can play, they're fine.
You can take big swings if you make it, if
it hits. It's like in life. If you make it,
you're rich. If you make it, your team's great. If
you miss, you can correct course very quickly. In this league.
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Just don't double down on your mistakes like the New
York Giants. Oh, we reached in a quarterback. Let's double
down on it. No, that's another way to do it.
The Niners are like, Eh, I think it's working. We're
moving off it. Dallas, you want him. That's the way
to do it. Just don't be arrogant and stubborn and
double down on mistakes, but take big swings all the time.
Mark clarrit is joining US Live Box Sports, three rings,
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two Pro Bowls. Yeah, I was saying this. The Russell
Wilson thing looked like literally, I'm reading these stories a
year ago. It's like, is the end of the franchise
And I'm like, I don't know. It sounds like you're
connected to the organ. It sounds like they wanted bon Knicks,
like that was the guy they wanted. What do you
make of that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I think when you look at it, you know,
I mean, I know you're not gonna get Caleb Williams,
right right, But I think the next guy and this
is not one of those. This always drives me crazy
about the draft, you know, And this is why the
same teams are always drafting the top ten every year.
Pick a quarterback, any quarterback, Pick a receiver, any quarterback,
doesn't matter which one, just any of them. They're all
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the same. Well they're not all the same. And I
think they did their due diligence. One of the reasons
they worked out a guy like Caleb Williams, one of
the reasons they met with guys like Jayden Daniels. One
of the reasons they went and saw Drake May was
to compare what we want, what we're looking for, and
does our guy Bo Knicks give us that. So I
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think there's no question that the due diligence was done,
and that Bo Knicks was the guy that felt like,
hey man, he's quick release and he gets the ball
out on time. And I always say, you know accuracy
and timing, and I will tell you you can't be
accurate and accurate in the National Football League without being
on time. So being on time an accuracy go hand
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in hand. If you're late with the football, you won't
be accurate with the football. It just doesn't work. It's
like a pitcher. You know, everything's got to be in sync.
There's a kinetic chain that goes into throwing the football.
So this is the guy that, to me was the
most on time and the most accurate in college football.
And then I hear, you know the he doesn't have
a big arm. Who gives a rick doesn't have a
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big arm? When was the last time you saw somebody
throw it sixty seven yards for a touchdown in the air.
It doesn't you don't have time to do it. It
doesn't happen in the NFL. By the way, every deep ball,
every go ball that is thrown the NFL comes off
of five step drop timing with no hitches, meaning that
ball is out. As an offensive lineman, I always used
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to listen for it, like what route combination was the
timing of that throw because that five yard or that
five step drop that's out right now, I can actually
treat that like a three step drop, and that ball
is gonna come down somewhere between the numbers and the
sideline at about forty two to forty seven yards because
if you hold it on a seven step drop and
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you run a go route, the receivers will outrun the
quarterback's arms. The only time you'll see that next season,
a sixty five to seventy yard ball in the air
that's complete is on a Hail Mary'. That's it. So
the big arm thing, no, if you've got timing, you're accurate.
The big arm thing doesn't matter. The other thing, really quick,
the Fangio effect. Everybody plays that shell defense now, which
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really Fangio really brought back in the league. Everybody's playing
a form of Cover three. Everybody's playing that shell defense,
which is saying, you're not getting over the top of us.
We're going to keep two guys deep, so what you're
gonna have to do is throw it underneath. That's the
whole league. That's the way the league operates. So would
you like to have the most accurate, the most on
time football player that there is in the draft at
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the quarterback position? I would argue this, the guy who's
set up to have the best situation, the best fit
of all the quarterbacks drafted, is bo Nicks going to
Denver with Sean Payton.
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Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, you know it's funny. I was just thinking as
you were talking about that. Mark Brady had one deep threat,
one great deep threat his whole career in New England, Moss.
It's the only great receiver ever had. He did win
a Super Bowl with when they had Welker and Edelman
and Dion Branch and it was death by a thousand
cuts in Gronk. You couldn't stop them. They were the
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best third down team. By the way, the fastest deep
threat in the league is Tyreek Hill and his quarterback
doesn't throw a great deep ball. Kansas City this year,
since they let go of Tyreek Hill, they've been at
death by a thousand cuts underneath offense and they've won
Super Bowl. So to your point, the deep ball is
one of those It's a very seventies eighties, but not
that many teams that are great throw consistently a deep ball. Now,
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I do want to ask you about this because the draft,
and I think it was due time, really went heavy offense.
I mean, the best pass rusher went to the Colts
middle of the first Is it swinging too much that
way like as an offensive guy or do you think
it's time or did you look at that draft and go, Okay,
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this is crazy town. There's all these good defensive players
they're just sitting there on the board.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's one. All the
rules are bent towards being a great offense, so people
are going after the offensive players. But I will tell you,
like again, you're drafting quarterbacks who are probably rated. You know,
you've got them rate it on a stale one to ten.
You've got a quarterback at a seven point two, and
you're picking him over a defensive player that you have
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righted as a nine point eight. That is crazy town
to me, because I think football players are the most
important thing to have on your roster, really good football players.
And I love Jim Harbaugh's comments about offensive linemen or weapons.
Is a tip of the spear like that, Like there
is like the offensive line doesn't need the receiving corps
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for the offensive line to be good the quarterback. The
offensive line doesn't need the quarterback to be to be
good for them to be good, or their running back
corps to be good, for the offensive line to be good.
But every other position in football needs the offensive line
to play well. Otherwise receivers can't catch the ball, quarterbacks
can't stay upright, and running backs can't run the football.
And so yeah, there is a real there's a real
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bent toward And this is why the same team's draft
in top ten every year because they're drafting athletic skill.
They're drafting hope, they're drafting promise. They're selling you hope.
They're selling you promise. They're kicking the can down the road.
They're telling you, hey, we're one receiver away from being
a Super Bowl contender. There's never been a team one
receiver away from being a Super Bowl contender. Not one
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receiver has ever led a team to winning a Super
It just is not the way the league works. But
that's what they're selling. So your team is selling you hope.
And bottom line is your team stinks because they'll be
drafting the top ten next year again and again and
again and again because they're not building a football team.
You know, they're building a fantasy football team, and fantasy
football does not win in the National Football league flat
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out never has never will.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I thought what I always do on the Monday after
the draft, I say, I can't project your entire draft class,
but if I take your free agent signings and your
top two picks, maybe your top three, I'm pretty good
on those. And I thought Chicago fundamentally change their organization.
Keenan Allen, Caleb Williams, Roma Dunze, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift.
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These are really productive NFL players. In my entire life,
Chicago has always had their best players on defense. It's
just funny when you think Bears, I just think defense.
When I think Washington, I think Joe Gibbs, Oline, you know,
I think when I think McVeigh and the I think clever,
I think smart culture. You know Niners. I think of
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Shanahan's offense. There are certain things in this league. They're
just imperative into it. They are what they are. And
I felt like, oh, the Chicago Bears will look back
in twenty years, this will be the draft class. That's
how it felt to me. Am I nuts over the top?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, I don't think you're I don't think you're nuts.
I mean, we don't know what Kaitlyn Williams is going
to be a Dunza. As you mentioned, we don't we're
not sure about that. I thought what they did getting
DJ DJ Moore a year ago and then going out
and getting Keenan Allen was absolutely incredible. And I looked
at it, and you've got a tight end in Comet
that I think could really play. You went out and
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got the running back that I think is really good. Like,
I don't know that you needed to invest in another
wide receiver when they were you know, top offensive linemen
that were sitting there for you to take. So I
probably would have gone in a different direction there, But yeah,
it looks that way. I love Shane Waldron. You know,
we didn't talk about that addition, but as an offensive coordinator.
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But one of the things that resonates me and think
that resonates with me, and think about the first you know,
the first four quarterbacks taken in this draft, they all
went to defensive head coaches. And one thing about that,
and Steve Young, you and I used to work at ESPN,
and Steve Young used to say this all the time
that defensive coaches, oftentimes because they're worried about the defense
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and they're trying to protect the defense aren't the best
place for a young offensive quarterback to develop. And it's
just interesting to me that all three of these quarterbacks
are all four of these quarterbacks went to a defensive
head coach, and it'll be interesting to see exactly how
those guys develop, you know, from that perspective, because as
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you know defensive minded head coaches, you know they're going
to err on the side of conservatism most of the time.
They're going to run the football, they're going to make
sure that they protect their defense in certain situations because
you know, they've got a vested interest being defensive coaches
to protect that defense. So to be really interesting to
see exactly the development of these guys in how they
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end up. But you know, on the surface, on paper,
I love what Chicago did. Like I said at number nine,
I probably would have gone with a prominent offensive lineman.
But that's me. That's what I think wins. But as
I always say, if the games were played on paper,
I'll spend a lot less time on an operating table.
They're not. They're real and and you know you got
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to you gotta win lines of scrimmage if you're gonna
win in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
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Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I'm rooting for Sean Page. I have no problem
acknowledging I'm rooting for Sean Payton. I know him, I
like him. I think the league's better when you have
these clever offensive coaches that have the quarterback. So mcveigh's
got his Stafford and you got you know, Minnesota and
San Francisco, really good offensive coaches. I like the offense
reads got Mahomes obviously, now Herbert has Jim Harbaugh power
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offensive coach. Leagues better when you have great quarterbacks and
they have smart offensive guys around him. So Peyton and
bow next to me, do we have another Peyton breeze?
That's pretty good for the league. That was a pretty
good fun team to watch for a decade. J Mack
with the News.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
All right, let's start with the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
There's some Darvin Ham stuff to sift through here, all right, So,
when asked about the ever changing lineups this season, Darvin
Ham dropped this.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Nugget, saying, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
How people just skip that core part of having consistency
with your lineup is all predicated on health and performance.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
If you're coaching a team and one of your starters is.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Like ten games in a row just pooping the bed,
what are you gonna do now? There is no video
of this weird league, just aught, just the audio.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
They've written it down.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And by the way, is he talking about that's the
real question. Everybody wants to know who's well, I mean
Dlo got benched. Well, wait, in the regular season, Dlo
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Want to know Dlo got benched? Didn't he get benched?
Then in December they put him back out. So you
start the season and Dlo gets benched because he's awful.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Some people think it's Ruya Timura.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, Ruya Jama had a lot of vanishing acts, so
Ruyascha Mora Reeves is limited, so I don't blame him that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
The Reeves Slanders just conrotation guy. Obviously is not Lebron
or Ady.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, he's basically saying, you guys disappear. By the way,
the other night, Ruy played really well. It's amazing how
good the Lakers were against Denver. He's an important part.
When he vanishes, When Delo vanishes, nothing he's saying. I
love the idea. I've never seen like in the NFL.
Sometimes reporters will defend a coach. Where are the reporters
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in the NBA ever defending a coach. It's always blamed
the coach for everything. I mean, I saw great average
baseball managers have butchered things, and you'll get the the
baseball writers, they'll support a manager. NFL coaches make big mistakes,
you'll support a coach. The minute a coach loses a
playoff series. The players agents leak stuff. That's what happens.
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It's all players agents leaking stuff because they want Darvin
Ham out. So you know I'm wrong on all these complaints.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You're not totally wrong.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
So we've talked about this like team building the Mexican
soccer team that I'm a minority owner, and they were
in the news this week.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Good stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Okay, So the coaches historically don't want to play the
young guys. They know job securities, everything. I want to
try it out, the equivalent.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Of a Toryan. It happens in all sports.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And Darvinham kept driving home these veterans, like in the
in the preseason, all we heard was Max Christie's a
breakout player, young kid.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He's got some pop, some juice. He just buries Max Christian.
But you've got to play these.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, okay, so let me defend him. I mean, Steve
Kerr wouldn't play Wiseman, wouldn't play Kaminga. Steve Kerr one
of the best coaches ever. He wouldn't play young guys.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Where are the Warriors?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, I'm saying, but once you get four or five rings,
you know you win the argument. But Steve kurdain't love
to play young guys. He doesn't trust him. With step
and Clay and Draymond on.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The floor, how are they going to develop?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know what? That's what a summer league. By the way,
it's I mean, let's just personalize this. Should people be
learning how to be directors on our show? Hopefully you
had previous jobs you've directed. Man Again, I'm all for
growing growth for all employees, but if you've got a
game Sunday in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes is like,
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I need protection. You know, this guy's not very good
at left guard, but you know we need him to
be good by December. He's kind of a backup. I
gotta win Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Okay, fine, get him in there.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know what, the West is so loaded. Darvin Ham's like,
I'm gonna play my guys that can win games. I need.
I need to play my basketball. We're not Denver where
we're gonna coast into the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Fine, So you don't throw the young producer onto a
football season.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Friday, which is gonna be a massive show. Maybe you
put him on a day where there's less happening, right,
just as you would. Hey, you know what, let's start
Max Christy on this off night again. It's to beat
up Portland Trailblazers. Let's just let's see what he's got.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Let's put him in there, get him some chemistry with
Lebron and Aady. The Lakers don't play the young guys
you're going to school.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Lakers weren't good enough to just roll out Max Christy
and then go on the road and win. If the
Western Conference is ridiculous, never forget the playing teams were
Golden State and the Lakers. I mean, those are like
playing teams. So it's like in the East, you got
a lot of those games. In the East, you got
a lot of wizard games in the east where you
can roll out blankety blank number eight guy.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
By the way, for Patrick Mahomes getting his young guard
to reps. You know what, it's thirty one nothing against
the Bears. Let's get that guy out there in the
third quarter, not get Mahomes killed. Let's just call some
running plays, get the guy some reps. If you don't
play the young guys, the long term outlook is not
gonna be pretty common.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know what you got, U NBA. The Sixers,
the Bucks and the Lakers each had three head coasters
each one in the last six years. Is that? Is
it working?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Continuity matters both?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Do you know who doesn't fire their coach? The Warriors
and the Heat they don't fire their coach. I remember
it may have been could be misremembering, but it was
like last year everybody wanted TIBs out? Was it last year?
The year emy was banging on Tibbs? And It's funny.
When I watched the Knicks, I'm like, boy, they're well coached,
the answers not just rolling out coach. I mean the
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Sixers are just running through coaches. The Bucks are running
through them. That the Doc Rivers thing working on.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I thought Nick Nurse was gonna get fired during the
eighteen to two run last night. He's just stand out
with his hands on his hits. Late knicks are going
off anyway. Next up New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
So this is the Drake May stuff that is gonna
be an issue all season. Remember they got calls for
the third overall pick elected to stay put. According to reports,
there was a feeling in the Patriots building that there were.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Legacies tied to the decision.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
On who to draft before settling on Drake May. After
Caleb and jo legacy.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
What do you mean, who's legacy? Brady and Belichick are gone?
Who's legacy on.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The new regime?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
They feel like they can build a new legacy around
Drake May.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Could we trade for him to get more guys? Sure?
Drake May could see the future of the organization.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, I mean I thought New England could do either.
Even if they would have traded back to eleven, they
could have traded back up to eight and gotten somebody potentially.
So there's a lot of arguments the way New England
did it. I don't have a problem, I said, I
don't have a problem to take a quarterback. I don't
have a problem. They go back to eleven with Minnesota
and then go back up to nine to get a
quarterback because we knew there was gonna be a bunch
of guys. Yeah, I mean, I think legacy gered Mayo
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didn't have a legacy. He's just starting exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
He could be fired two years if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I will say this though, I will defend New England.
I like their draft would go go gooop it back.
I don't have it in front of me. Go back
ten years the last time New England went and got
this many offensive players.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Oh, we do have it here.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's a really I mean again, I watched college ball.
Jalen Polk is excellent. Drake may could be guards, tackles, receivers.
I don't know why they drafted Joe Milton, but they
don't have a backup quarterback or a backup you know,
Bailey Zappy maybe on his way out, Milton's got a
pig whatever. But the point is they went to the
right side of the ball for the first time in it.
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I couldn't tell you when. I mean last year when
Belichick ran the draft. Last year, they had the slowest
receiving core in the league. Week no, all of this.
Their first three picks were like corner, he's a good player,
got Hurt, a defensive lineman, linebacker, and then they drafted
two guards and a kicker. Okay, it's like, guys.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So here's their weapons.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
According to Pro Football Focus, they you know, they break
out the depth charge. So it's Kendrick Bourne on one side,
he's a three. You got Douglas in the slot and
Juju on the outside. He got Hunter Henry as your
tight end.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Oh, Antonio Ginson came over from Washington, maybe he'll be
your starter.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I don't think it's crazy to suggest Debo or Brandon Nyuk.
If you put Brandon and I, you can that receiving
corp and now Polk the young kids, you're two or
you're three. Kendrick Bourne, that's a real receiving court. It's
like in a baseball staff if you've got a bunch
of number two starters and then you go get an ace.
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It's amazing with the staff. It totally to everybody moves
back one spot in the rotation. It's amazing how good
the staff is.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
For a defensive coach, former linebacker who was a Belichick guy,
is he going to be untoconservative.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Let's win with our defense and ride Judah in company.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You and I are both the same on this though
we both root for all these quarterbacks to hit.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
No. I actually I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You want guys to fail.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
The problem is I don't want Drinke may in the
Jets division to be awesome because that's going to stink
for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So you're rooting against the young man.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm rooting against the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I am.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I love Jason Tatum like I'm a lower.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Can you imagine when you were twenty two years old
and you get a huge break in your career. There's
no way I can root against the twenty two year
old young man who's put in his entire life for
this moment, and I can root from I was never
rooting against Baker Mayfield. I'm happy Baker got a big contract.
It's hard when I was twenty three years old and
if I would have fizzled out and had in You know,
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the quarterbacks, you get one shot, very rarely. Baker's third
he is, but that's where Drew Brees got a second shot.
But a lot of times by Thanksgiving of your second year,
I mean, look at look at Justin Fields, look at
Mac Jones. I mean they are now six round pick guys.
Nobody's given them a shot during the franchise. Even Sam Darnold.
You're like, well that's it. No, he's there for a
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year for JJ McCarthy, he's holding down the fort free.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I can't root it again.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't want to make it sound like I'm rooting
against rape may.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I just don't like the Patriots with every fiber of
my beat, I don't like any Boston teams.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
See that's where I'm jealous of you. You could easily
because I think life is better the more love you have,
so wife, kids, you know, love for things. I look
at all sports teams is just products. It's fresh produce.
I'm a chef. I don't have that deep love for
the Michigan Wolverines. And you have this so deep, this passion,
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this love. You wake up on a Sunday morning as
you're a twelve point dog to Josh Allens and you
believe you can win, So you kind of love is admirable.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You love airports, right.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Really, I like him a lot. And food love food.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's just it's similar to sports airports.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But I'm not delusional of foods. I don't look at
a banana and think that's a tebow. You look at
the Jets and you see the Chiefs. That is like crazy.
But I'm so admirable that you love something that much.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I'm a lover, not a fighter like you.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You just out there.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Final story franky guy DeVante Adams entering his third season
with the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
He was traded from the Packers.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Remember a lot's happened right he was with Aaron Rodgers
and now Jordan Love is just dominating. Devanta Adams was
asked about his trade and about Jordan Love.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
In hindsight, like we talked about, I mean, a kid
is a ball man. I'm so happy for him, and
you know, I haven't really had a chance to truly
sit down and talk with him, but I just I
want to tell him at some point, like, you know,
I definitely don't regret changing, but I'm super proud of
what you've done. And you know, if there was a
way I could pull you over here and you know
and drag you with me like that, you know that
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would have been cool too, because you know, obviously we
saw what he did at the end of the year.
But I don't agree with what I did. But at
the same time, it's it's definitely you look back and
you're like, damn, that woke out a bull.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
He was good. So I don't remember ever seeing a
quarterback that from week five to week fifteen was a
completely different player. Usually there's a gradual ascension, like Jordan
Love was awful in week four. Remember I mean like
Matt lafleu Are, one of the nicest guys in the league,
would go to the podium and be like, yeah, it's
not any good.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Remember that Raiders. Was it a Monday night or Sunday
night game? He was abysmal, And.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Then week fifteen you're like, oh, he's better than Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
So unfortunately Crosby is not a seasoned podcaster, not a journalist.
A better question would have been, hey, you saw Jordan
Love basically sitting on the bench for three years.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
What did they have faith.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
In the guy?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What was going on there?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Because the bigger story is, did remember Patrick Mahomes in
chief's practices before he took over.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Oh, Patrick Mahomes is gonna be the guy.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Jordan Love remember before the season last year, I think
you and I were like, I don't know if he
were any good when he had been out here already,
like a lot of questions in the building about Jordan Love. No.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean I was told by somebody that in
the building. Yeah, mean's okay, but it's like and so
and then he came out and that's what it looked like.
So I looked very right for about a month. I'm
like three years in two many years came out, was like.
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And then all of a sudden, like whatever the numbers
were week five to fifteen, You're like, oh, oh my god,
I thought he was Thanksgiving. I'm like, is this a
stretch or is this who he is? By the end
of the year, I watched him against Dallas. I'm like, no,
that's who he is. Like, this is what he is
as a player. He is a baller. I mean, it's amazing.
Though It's funny in this league you're begging on Max Crosby.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I'm not begging on him. I'm just saying, like, how in.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The world Max Crosby to be TJ Watk two best
pass rushers in football? How did Max Crosby fall to
the fifth round? Like you could argue with Poka Nakua,
it's Stafford, it's McVeigh, and it's Puka. Max Crosby's just Max.
You can't block him like Poka Nakua. You can see
Andy Reid take players and make him work that they like.
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Travis Kelsey's great. He wouldn't be Travis Kelsey and Jacksonville.
He'd be really good. He wouldn't be a Hall of
Fame first ballot. But Max Crosby fifth rounder, unblockable in
the NFL. He and TJ Water unblockable. I mean Aaron
Donald was first round Reggie White for Lawrence Taylor. That's
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to me. When a quarterback, er, receiver, offensive guy hits
and he's a late round guy, a lot of it's
the system. I mean running backs with Kyle Shanahan hit.
Max Crosby's unblockable. They missed on him in high school recruiting,
they missed on him in the draft.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Because he's on an island. That's what's amazing to me.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Could have been that extra X in his first name.
Max just threw everybody off like two exes.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Let's go on there.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
J mckle new, Well, that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
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Speaker 1 (27:21):
All right, Best for a last, we're gonna play Fit
for a King? Where does Lebron Fit? A lot of
rumors out there he's moving.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
J mack m Come on, you know, do you think
he's moving? Possibly?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, but everybody else does. So let's throw it out
and you name the team. All take good fit, bad fit?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
All right?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
How about let's start with an easy one, the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's a bad fit MJ Legacy. Also, they have ball
dominant guys DeMar DeRozan, Zach Lavine, Kobe White ball dominant
bad fit. How about a third tour of.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Duty with the Cleveland Cavaliers bad fit?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Again, they come on, how many times can you run
Cleveland back?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
All right?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Now, this one's a little better, the Golden State Warrior.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now, I think it's a great fit because Steph can
play Honor off ball, Pods can play off ball, Draymond can.
I think it works. He has familiarity. He's going to
the Olympics with Kerr and Curry. I think that's the
one that works for me.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Such a fun story, all right.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
How about this Lebron with the Los Angeles pay for
Clips the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It's a bad fit. They got enough big personalities. He
and Westbrook do not get along. They hate each other,
so you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Lebron's staying with the Lakers good fit.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I think it works in Los Angeles. I think
they're a good team. I don't think they're a championship team,
but I mean they led the Nuggets for seventy percent
of the series. His family's in La. Lebron is a
big market guy, like Miami isn't a huge city, but
it's a big it's a big market in terms of
marquee events. He needs to be some more like Miami
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or a you know La.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, is Lebron a good fit with the Miami.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, the problem is I'd say probably because Bam and
Jimmy Butler are not three point shooters, so personnel lies
bad fit. I mean I would if they moved the
pieces around a ton, you could buy it. But it's
probably a bad fit because the roster and you can't
trust Tyler hero so Bam and Lebron is great with
three point shooters, that's what he's great with, and rim protectors.
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So I don't think the personnel works. But Miami makes
a lot of big swings and takes a lot of
big swings, so eventually I think Miami could work.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Now this one's interesting. What about the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a bad fit. Do not take the ball to
Jalen Brunson's hand, do not? And Lebron needs the ball
and Jalen Brunson needs the ball. It's a bad fit.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Lebron to the Oklahoma City Thunder will that fit?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No bad fit. They got two stars and they got
some big contract. They're gonna have to pay Sga and Holmgren.
SGA is gonna make a lot of money and should
so there's no reason to derail the culture, the chemistry,
the team. What they're doing is perfect. And okay, see.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
How about Philadelphia seventy six ers with Maxi and mb
I kind of think it's a good fit because remember
Maxi is a small guard, but he doesn't he can
do off ball.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He's a very explosive off ball player, transition player. So
with Lebron, you got to keep with Lebron up in
transition and Lebron will get you the ball. And I
think it's time to move off mb I do. I'm
in the minority, but I think Philadelphia Lakers are two
where he really fits.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
And finally the San Antonio Spurs with ONEAMA they won
twenty two games.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Lebron's not gonna go to that. He's just too Honestly,
is he too big at this point for San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's a big question.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And I just don't see him disappearing down there.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What about with wem min Yama though, that's spicy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Wem beIN Yama. What else? I don't have anything else?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Devin Vassel, what's your beak?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Nothing against him, but so the ones that work for me.
Lake Kers is a good fit, Warrior is a good fit,
and Sixers a good fit. The Warriors won. Nobody wants
to talk about this. It really works completely.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Can you play Lebron and Draymond on the court at
the same time?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Why not? Draymond does all the dirty work. Lebron loves
guys that do the dirty.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
War wasn't their weakness again?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
He love n banging around on the glass. He loves
Anthony Davis. You know. Lebron likes guys that do the
dirty work. He likes shooters and somebody that will defend
the rim. He wants to be in transition. He wants
to handle the ball. People like like Kevin Durant is
perfect in the knicks. You can get him the ball
eight six seconds on the shot clock. Lebron wants the ball.
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He's he's not a peer, and he had a good
year shooting the three this year. But that's not his history.
Kevin Durant, get him the ball, he'll hit it.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Gut to watch tonight.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Is Paul George if the Clippers lose? Remember he Kawhi
has signed with the Clippers. Paul George has not.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh no, I would take.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
A lot of questions.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I saw a report that the Orlando Magic think Paul
George would fit seamlessly.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I would love Paul George. The Magic, absolutely love it.
Rachel Nicol said this, Paul George is the most underrated
player in the league.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I would have gone Austin Reeves, but I'll accept Paul George.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You'll accept it on this show. Josh Allen's the most
underrated quarterback because you dog him on an average one
segment a day, one shot a day at Josh Allen
the most talented quarterback in the sport, including Mahomes. Just
physical features, just ability and traits.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. The the dead cap money.
Nobody said it's ideal, but the way these NFL teams
do it now, you can restructure contracts, you can get
more guaranteed money. The Rams had been up against it
for years and years in their long rebuild. Last of
the Year. Last year was supposed to be, Oh, this
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big rebuild. You hit a couple draft picks. Pukin Naku
is a star. Stafford has protection. If you have Matt
Stafford and Sean McVay, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna
be fine. All the problems in the NFL are not
nearly as big a problems as you think they're not.
I mean, if if the Denver Broncos that rush end
they picked and bo Nick's work, they're good. The Broncos
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is gonna be a nine to ten win team. If
Bonnicks can play and the rush end they got I
think from Utah. If these guys can play, they're fine.
You can take big swings if you make it, if
it hits. It's like in life. If you make it,
you're rich. If you make it, your team's great. If
you miss, you can correct course very quickly. In this league.
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Just don't double down on your mistakes like the New
York Giants. Oh, we reached in a quarterback. Let's double
down on it. No, that's another way to do it.
The Niners are like, Eh, I think it's working. We're
moving off it. Dallas, you want him. That's the way
to do it. Just don't be arrogant and stubborn and
double down on mistakes, but take big swings all the time.
Mark clarrit is joining US Live Box Sports, three rings,
(01:49):
two Pro Bowls. Yeah, I was saying this. The Russell
Wilson thing looked like literally, I'm reading these stories a
year ago. It's like, is the end of the franchise
And I'm like, I don't know. It sounds like you're
connected to the organ. It sounds like they wanted bon Knicks,
like that was the guy they wanted. What do you
make of that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I think when you look at it, you know,
I mean, I know you're not gonna get Caleb Williams,
right right, But I think the next guy and this
is not one of those. This always drives me crazy
about the draft, you know, And this is why the
same teams are always drafting the top ten every year.
Pick a quarterback, any quarterback, Pick a receiver, any quarterback,
doesn't matter which one, just any of them. They're all
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the same. Well they're not all the same. And I
think they did their due diligence. One of the reasons
they worked out a guy like Caleb Williams, one of
the reasons they met with guys like Jayden Daniels. One
of the reasons they went and saw Drake May was
to compare what we want, what we're looking for, and
does our guy Bo Knicks give us that. So I
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think there's no question that the due diligence was done,
and that Bo Knicks was the guy that felt like,
hey man, he's quick release and he gets the ball
out on time. And I always say, you know accuracy
and timing, and I will tell you you can't be
accurate and accurate in the National Football League without being
on time. So being on time an accuracy go hand
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in hand. If you're late with the football, you won't
be accurate with the football. It just doesn't work. It's
like a pitcher. You know, everything's got to be in sync.
There's a kinetic chain that goes into throwing the football.
So this is the guy that, to me was the
most on time and the most accurate in college football.
And then I hear, you know the he doesn't have
a big arm. Who gives a rick doesn't have a
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big arm? When was the last time you saw somebody
throw it sixty seven yards for a touchdown in the air.
It doesn't you don't have time to do it. It
doesn't happen in the NFL. By the way, every deep ball,
every go ball that is thrown the NFL comes off
of five step drop timing with no hitches, meaning that
ball is out. As an offensive lineman, I always used
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to listen for it, like what route combination was the
timing of that throw because that five yard or that
five step drop that's out right now, I can actually
treat that like a three step drop, and that ball
is gonna come down somewhere between the numbers and the
sideline at about forty two to forty seven yards because
if you hold it on a seven step drop and
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you run a go route, the receivers will outrun the
quarterback's arms. The only time you'll see that next season,
a sixty five to seventy yard ball in the air
that's complete is on a Hail Mary'. That's it. So
the big arm thing, no, if you've got timing, you're accurate.
The big arm thing doesn't matter. The other thing, really quick,
the Fangio effect. Everybody plays that shell defense now, which
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really Fangio really brought back in the league. Everybody's playing
a form of Cover three. Everybody's playing that shell defense,
which is saying, you're not getting over the top of us.
We're going to keep two guys deep, so what you're
gonna have to do is throw it underneath. That's the
whole league. That's the way the league operates. So would
you like to have the most accurate, the most on
time football player that there is in the draft at
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the quarterback position? I would argue this, the guy who's
set up to have the best situation, the best fit
of all the quarterbacks drafted, is bo Nicks going to
Denver with Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
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Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, you know it's funny. I was just thinking as
you were talking about that. Mark Brady had one deep threat,
one great deep threat his whole career in New England, Moss.
It's the only great receiver ever had. He did win
a Super Bowl with when they had Welker and Edelman
and Dion Branch and it was death by a thousand
cuts in Gronk. You couldn't stop them. They were the
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best third down team. By the way, the fastest deep
threat in the league is Tyreek Hill and his quarterback
doesn't throw a great deep ball. Kansas City this year,
since they let go of Tyreek Hill, they've been at
death by a thousand cuts underneath offense and they've won
Super Bowl. So to your point, the deep ball is
one of those It's a very seventies eighties, but not
that many teams that are great throw consistently a deep ball. Now,
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I do want to ask you about this because the draft,
and I think it was due time, really went heavy offense.
I mean, the best pass rusher went to the Colts
middle of the first Is it swinging too much that
way like as an offensive guy or do you think
it's time or did you look at that draft and go, Okay,
(06:25):
this is crazy town. There's all these good defensive players
they're just sitting there on the board.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's one. All the
rules are bent towards being a great offense, so people
are going after the offensive players. But I will tell you,
like again, you're drafting quarterbacks who are probably rated. You know,
you've got them rate it on a stale one to ten.
You've got a quarterback at a seven point two, and
you're picking him over a defensive player that you have
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righted as a nine point eight. That is crazy town
to me, because I think football players are the most
important thing to have on your roster, really good football players.
And I love Jim Harbaugh's comments about offensive linemen or weapons.
Is a tip of the spear like that, Like there
is like the offensive line doesn't need the receiving corps
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for the offensive line to be good the quarterback. The
offensive line doesn't need the quarterback to be to be
good for them to be good, or their running back
corps to be good, for the offensive line to be good.
But every other position in football needs the offensive line
to play well. Otherwise receivers can't catch the ball, quarterbacks
can't stay upright, and running backs can't run the football.
And so yeah, there is a real there's a real
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bent toward And this is why the same team's draft
in top ten every year because they're drafting athletic skill.
They're drafting hope, they're drafting promise. They're selling you hope.
They're selling you promise. They're kicking the can down the road.
They're telling you, hey, we're one receiver away from being
a Super Bowl contender. There's never been a team one
receiver away from being a Super Bowl contender. Not one
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receiver has ever led a team to winning a Super
It just is not the way the league works. But
that's what they're selling. So your team is selling you hope.
And bottom line is your team stinks because they'll be
drafting the top ten next year again and again and
again and again because they're not building a football team.
You know, they're building a fantasy football team, and fantasy
football does not win in the National Football league flat
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out never has never will.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I thought what I always do on the Monday after
the draft, I say, I can't project your entire draft class,
but if I take your free agent signings and your
top two picks, maybe your top three, I'm pretty good
on those. And I thought Chicago fundamentally change their organization.
Keenan Allen, Caleb Williams, Roma Dunze, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift.
(08:45):
These are really productive NFL players. In my entire life,
Chicago has always had their best players on defense. It's
just funny when you think Bears, I just think defense.
When I think Washington, I think Joe Gibbs, Oline, you know,
I think when I think McVeigh and the I think clever,
I think smart culture. You know Niners. I think of
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Shanahan's offense. There are certain things in this league. They're
just imperative into it. They are what they are. And
I felt like, oh, the Chicago Bears will look back
in twenty years, this will be the draft class. That's
how it felt to me. Am I nuts over the top?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, I don't think you're I don't think you're nuts.
I mean, we don't know what Kaitlyn Williams is going
to be a Dunza. As you mentioned, we don't we're
not sure about that. I thought what they did getting
DJ DJ Moore a year ago and then going out
and getting Keenan Allen was absolutely incredible. And I looked
at it, and you've got a tight end in Comet
that I think could really play. You went out and
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got the running back that I think is really good. Like,
I don't know that you needed to invest in another
wide receiver when they were you know, top offensive linemen
that were sitting there for you to take. So I
probably would have gone in a different direction there, But yeah,
it looks that way. I love Shane Waldron. You know,
we didn't talk about that addition, but as an offensive coordinator.
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But one of the things that resonates me and think
that resonates with me, and think about the first you know,
the first four quarterbacks taken in this draft, they all
went to defensive head coaches. And one thing about that,
and Steve Young, you and I used to work at ESPN,
and Steve Young used to say this all the time
that defensive coaches, oftentimes because they're worried about the defense
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and they're trying to protect the defense aren't the best
place for a young offensive quarterback to develop. And it's
just interesting to me that all three of these quarterbacks
are all four of these quarterbacks went to a defensive
head coach, and it'll be interesting to see exactly how
those guys develop, you know, from that perspective, because as
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you know defensive minded head coaches, you know they're going
to err on the side of conservatism most of the time.
They're going to run the football, they're going to make
sure that they protect their defense in certain situations because
you know, they've got a vested interest being defensive coaches
to protect that defense. So to be really interesting to
see exactly the development of these guys in how they
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end up. But you know, on the surface, on paper,
I love what Chicago did. Like I said at number nine,
I probably would have gone with a prominent offensive lineman.
But that's me. That's what I think wins. But as
I always say, if the games were played on paper,
I'll spend a lot less time on an operating table.
They're not. They're real and and you know you got
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to you gotta win lines of scrimmage if you're gonna
win in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Fox sports. Mark schlare good seeing you.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Body YouTube O take care of man that good summer.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I'm rooting for Sean Page. I have no problem
acknowledging I'm rooting for Sean Payton. I know him, I
like him. I think the league's better when you have
these clever offensive coaches that have the quarterback. So mcveigh's
got his Stafford and you got you know, Minnesota and
San Francisco, really good offensive coaches. I like the offense
reads got Mahomes obviously, now Herbert has Jim Harbaugh power
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offensive coach. Leagues better when you have great quarterbacks and
they have smart offensive guys around him. So Peyton and
bow next to me, do we have another Peyton breeze?
That's pretty good for the league. That was a pretty
good fun team to watch for a decade. J Mack
with the News.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
All right, let's start with the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
There's some Darvin Ham stuff to sift through here, all right, So,
when asked about the ever changing lineups this season, Darvin
Ham dropped this.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Nugget, saying, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
How people just skip that core part of having consistency
with your lineup is all predicated on health and performance.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
If you're coaching a team and one of your starters is.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Like ten games in a row just pooping the bed,
what are you gonna do now? There is no video
of this weird league, just aught, just the audio.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
They've written it down.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And by the way, is he talking about that's the
real question. Everybody wants to know who's well, I mean
Dlo got benched. Well, wait, in the regular season, Dlo
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Want to know Dlo got benched? Didn't he get benched?
Then in December they put him back out. So you
start the season and Dlo gets benched because he's awful.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Some people think it's Ruya Timura.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, Ruya Jama had a lot of vanishing acts, so
Ruyascha Mora Reeves is limited, so I don't blame him that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
The Reeves Slanders just conrotation guy. Obviously is not Lebron
or Ady.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, he's basically saying, you guys disappear. By the way,
the other night, Ruy played really well. It's amazing how
good the Lakers were against Denver. He's an important part.
When he vanishes, When Delo vanishes, nothing he's saying. I
love the idea. I've never seen like in the NFL.
Sometimes reporters will defend a coach. Where are the reporters
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in the NBA ever defending a coach. It's always blamed
the coach for everything. I mean, I saw great average
baseball managers have butchered things, and you'll get the the
baseball writers, they'll support a manager. NFL coaches make big mistakes,
you'll support a coach. The minute a coach loses a
playoff series. The players agents leak stuff. That's what happens.
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It's all players agents leaking stuff because they want Darvin
Ham out. So you know I'm wrong on all these complaints.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You're not totally wrong.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
So we've talked about this like team building the Mexican
soccer team that I'm a minority owner, and they were
in the news this week.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Good stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Okay, So the coaches historically don't want to play the
young guys. They know job securities, everything. I want to
try it out, the equivalent.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Of a Toryan. It happens in all sports.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And Darvinham kept driving home these veterans, like in the
in the preseason, all we heard was Max Christie's a
breakout player, young kid.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He's got some pop, some juice. He just buries Max Christian.
But you've got to play these.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, okay, so let me defend him. I mean, Steve
Kerr wouldn't play Wiseman, wouldn't play Kaminga. Steve Kerr one
of the best coaches ever. He wouldn't play young guys.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Where are the Warriors?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, I'm saying, but once you get four or five rings,
you know you win the argument. But Steve kurdain't love
to play young guys. He doesn't trust him. With step
and Clay and Draymond on.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The floor, how are they going to develop?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know what? That's what a summer league. By the way,
it's I mean, let's just personalize this. Should people be
learning how to be directors on our show? Hopefully you
had previous jobs you've directed. Man Again, I'm all for
growing growth for all employees, but if you've got a
game Sunday in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes is like,
(15:28):
I need protection. You know, this guy's not very good
at left guard, but you know we need him to
be good by December. He's kind of a backup. I
gotta win Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Okay, fine, get him in there.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know what, the West is so loaded. Darvin Ham's like,
I'm gonna play my guys that can win games. I need.
I need to play my basketball. We're not Denver where
we're gonna coast into the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Fine, So you don't throw the young producer onto a
football season.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Friday, which is gonna be a massive show. Maybe you
put him on a day where there's less happening, right,
just as you would. Hey, you know what, let's start
Max Christy on this off night again. It's to beat
up Portland Trailblazers. Let's just let's see what he's got.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Let's put him in there, get him some chemistry with
Lebron and Aady. The Lakers don't play the young guys
you're going to school.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Lakers weren't good enough to just roll out Max Christy
and then go on the road and win. If the
Western Conference is ridiculous, never forget the playing teams were
Golden State and the Lakers. I mean, those are like
playing teams. So it's like in the East, you got
a lot of those games. In the East, you got
a lot of wizard games in the east where you
can roll out blankety blank number eight guy.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
By the way, for Patrick Mahomes getting his young guard
to reps. You know what, it's thirty one nothing against
the Bears. Let's get that guy out there in the
third quarter, not get Mahomes killed. Let's just call some
running plays, get the guy some reps. If you don't
play the young guys, the long term outlook is not
gonna be pretty common.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know what you got, U NBA. The Sixers,
the Bucks and the Lakers each had three head coasters
each one in the last six years. Is that? Is
it working?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Continuity matters both?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Do you know who doesn't fire their coach? The Warriors
and the Heat they don't fire their coach. I remember
it may have been could be misremembering, but it was
like last year everybody wanted TIBs out? Was it last year?
The year emy was banging on Tibbs? And It's funny.
When I watched the Knicks, I'm like, boy, they're well coached,
the answers not just rolling out coach. I mean the
(17:23):
Sixers are just running through coaches. The Bucks are running
through them. That the Doc Rivers thing working on.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I thought Nick Nurse was gonna get fired during the
eighteen to two run last night. He's just stand out
with his hands on his hits. Late knicks are going
off anyway. Next up New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
So this is the Drake May stuff that is gonna
be an issue all season. Remember they got calls for
the third overall pick elected to stay put. According to reports,
there was a feeling in the Patriots building that there were.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Legacies tied to the decision.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
On who to draft before settling on Drake May. After
Caleb and jo legacy.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
What do you mean, who's legacy? Brady and Belichick are gone?
Who's legacy on.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The new regime?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
They feel like they can build a new legacy around
Drake May.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Could we trade for him to get more guys? Sure?
Drake May could see the future of the organization.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, I mean I thought New England could do either.
Even if they would have traded back to eleven, they
could have traded back up to eight and gotten somebody potentially.
So there's a lot of arguments the way New England
did it. I don't have a problem, I said, I
don't have a problem to take a quarterback. I don't
have a problem. They go back to eleven with Minnesota
and then go back up to nine to get a
quarterback because we knew there was gonna be a bunch
of guys. Yeah, I mean, I think legacy gered Mayo
(18:39):
didn't have a legacy. He's just starting exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
He could be fired two years if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I will say this though, I will defend New England.
I like their draft would go go gooop it back.
I don't have it in front of me. Go back
ten years the last time New England went and got
this many offensive players.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Oh, we do have it here.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's a really I mean again, I watched college ball.
Jalen Polk is excellent. Drake may could be guards, tackles, receivers.
I don't know why they drafted Joe Milton, but they
don't have a backup quarterback or a backup you know,
Bailey Zappy maybe on his way out, Milton's got a
pig whatever. But the point is they went to the
right side of the ball for the first time in it.
(19:18):
I couldn't tell you when. I mean last year when
Belichick ran the draft. Last year, they had the slowest
receiving core in the league. Week no, all of this.
Their first three picks were like corner, he's a good player,
got Hurt, a defensive lineman, linebacker, and then they drafted
two guards and a kicker. Okay, it's like, guys.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So here's their weapons.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
According to Pro Football Focus, they you know, they break
out the depth charge. So it's Kendrick Bourne on one side,
he's a three. You got Douglas in the slot and
Juju on the outside. He got Hunter Henry as your
tight end.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Oh, Antonio Ginson came over from Washington, maybe he'll be
your starter.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I don't think it's crazy to suggest Debo or Brandon Nyuk.
If you put Brandon and I, you can that receiving
corp and now Polk the young kids, you're two or
you're three. Kendrick Bourne, that's a real receiving court. It's
like in a baseball staff if you've got a bunch
of number two starters and then you go get an ace.
(20:15):
It's amazing with the staff. It totally to everybody moves
back one spot in the rotation. It's amazing how good
the staff is.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
For a defensive coach, former linebacker who was a Belichick guy,
is he going to be untoconservative.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Let's win with our defense and ride Judah in company.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You and I are both the same on this though
we both root for all these quarterbacks to hit.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
No. I actually I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You want guys to fail.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
The problem is I don't want Drinke may in the
Jets division to be awesome because that's going to stink
for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So you're rooting against the young man.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm rooting against the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I am.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I love Jason Tatum like I'm a lower.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Can you imagine when you were twenty two years old
and you get a huge break in your career. There's
no way I can root against the twenty two year
old young man who's put in his entire life for
this moment, and I can root from I was never
rooting against Baker Mayfield. I'm happy Baker got a big contract.
It's hard when I was twenty three years old and
if I would have fizzled out and had in You know,
(21:13):
the quarterbacks, you get one shot, very rarely. Baker's third
he is, but that's where Drew Brees got a second shot.
But a lot of times by Thanksgiving of your second year,
I mean, look at look at Justin Fields, look at
Mac Jones. I mean they are now six round pick guys.
Nobody's given them a shot during the franchise. Even Sam Darnold.
You're like, well that's it. No, he's there for a
(21:35):
year for JJ McCarthy, he's holding down the fort free.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I am.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I can't root it again.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't want to make it sound like I'm rooting
against rape may.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I just don't like the Patriots with every fiber of
my beat, I don't like any Boston teams.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
See that's where I'm jealous of you. You could easily
because I think life is better the more love you have,
so wife, kids, you know, love for things. I look
at all sports teams is just products. It's fresh produce.
I'm a chef. I don't have that deep love for
the Michigan Wolverines. And you have this so deep, this passion,
(22:12):
this love. You wake up on a Sunday morning as
you're a twelve point dog to Josh Allens and you
believe you can win, So you kind of love is admirable.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You love airports, right.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Really, I like him a lot. And food love food.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's just it's similar to sports airports.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But I'm not delusional of foods. I don't look at
a banana and think that's a tebow. You look at
the Jets and you see the Chiefs. That is like crazy.
But I'm so admirable that you love something that much.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I'm a lover, not a fighter like you.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You just out there.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Final story franky guy DeVante Adams entering his third season
with the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
He was traded from the Packers.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Remember a lot's happened right he was with Aaron Rodgers
and now Jordan Love is just dominating. Devanta Adams was
asked about his trade and about Jordan Love.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
In hindsight, like we talked about, I mean, a kid
is a ball man. I'm so happy for him, and
you know, I haven't really had a chance to truly
sit down and talk with him, but I just I
want to tell him at some point, like, you know,
I definitely don't regret changing, but I'm super proud of
what you've done. And you know, if there was a
way I could pull you over here and you know
and drag you with me like that, you know that
(23:23):
would have been cool too, because you know, obviously we
saw what he did at the end of the year.
But I don't agree with what I did. But at
the same time, it's it's definitely you look back and
you're like, damn, that woke out a bull.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
He was good. So I don't remember ever seeing a
quarterback that from week five to week fifteen was a
completely different player. Usually there's a gradual ascension, like Jordan
Love was awful in week four. Remember I mean like
Matt lafleu Are, one of the nicest guys in the league,
would go to the podium and be like, yeah, it's
not any good.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Remember that Raiders. Was it a Monday night or Sunday
night game? He was abysmal, And.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Then week fifteen you're like, oh, he's better than Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
So unfortunately Crosby is not a seasoned podcaster, not a journalist.
A better question would have been, hey, you saw Jordan
Love basically sitting on the bench for three years.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
What did they have faith.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
In the guy?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What was going on there?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Because the bigger story is, did remember Patrick Mahomes in
chief's practices before he took over.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Oh, Patrick Mahomes is gonna be the guy.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Jordan Love remember before the season last year, I think
you and I were like, I don't know if he
were any good when he had been out here already,
like a lot of questions in the building about Jordan Love. No.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean I was told by somebody that in
the building. Yeah, mean's okay, but it's like and so
and then he came out and that's what it looked like.
So I looked very right for about a month. I'm
like three years in two many years came out, was like.
(24:55):
And then all of a sudden, like whatever the numbers
were week five to fifteen, You're like, oh, oh my god,
I thought he was Thanksgiving. I'm like, is this a
stretch or is this who he is? By the end
of the year, I watched him against Dallas. I'm like, no,
that's who he is. Like, this is what he is
as a player. He is a baller. I mean, it's amazing.
Though It's funny in this league you're begging on Max Crosby.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I'm not begging on him. I'm just saying, like, how in.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The world Max Crosby to be TJ Watk two best
pass rushers in football? How did Max Crosby fall to
the fifth round? Like you could argue with Poka Nakua,
it's Stafford, it's McVeigh, and it's Puka. Max Crosby's just Max.
You can't block him like Poka Nakua. You can see
Andy Reid take players and make him work that they like.
(25:42):
Travis Kelsey's great. He wouldn't be Travis Kelsey and Jacksonville.
He'd be really good. He wouldn't be a Hall of
Fame first ballot. But Max Crosby fifth rounder, unblockable in
the NFL. He and TJ Water unblockable. I mean Aaron
Donald was first round Reggie White for Lawrence Taylor. That's
(26:05):
to me. When a quarterback, er, receiver, offensive guy hits
and he's a late round guy, a lot of it's
the system. I mean running backs with Kyle Shanahan hit.
Max Crosby's unblockable. They missed on him in high school recruiting,
they missed on him in the draft.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Because he's on an island. That's what's amazing to me.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Could have been that extra X in his first name.
Max just threw everybody off like two exes.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Let's go on there.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
J mckle new, Well, that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Herd Line News Lebron? Where does he fit? Where does
the King Fit? Next?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
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Speaker 7 (26:52):
Hey, this is Tom Berducci from Fox Sports, MLB Network
and Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And I'm Joe Madden.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
We're gonna be around to talk a little bit about
managerial decisions and what may have occurred to the dugout
maybe in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
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Speaker 7 (27:07):
We're gonna dive into what goes on in the dugout
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Speaker 4 (27:11):
Baseball, cars, wind, whatever else we want to talk about.
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Speaker 1 (27:21):
All right, Best for a last, we're gonna play Fit
for a King? Where does Lebron Fit? A lot of
rumors out there he's moving.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
J mack m Come on, you know, do you think
he's moving? Possibly?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, but everybody else does. So let's throw it out
and you name the team. All take good fit, bad fit?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
All right?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
How about let's start with an easy one, the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's a bad fit MJ Legacy. Also, they have ball
dominant guys DeMar DeRozan, Zach Lavine, Kobe White ball dominant
bad fit. How about a third tour of.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Duty with the Cleveland Cavaliers bad fit?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Again, they come on, how many times can you run
Cleveland back?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
All right?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Now, this one's a little better, the Golden State Warrior.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now, I think it's a great fit because Steph can
play Honor off ball, Pods can play off ball, Draymond can.
I think it works. He has familiarity. He's going to
the Olympics with Kerr and Curry. I think that's the
one that works for me.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Such a fun story, all right.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
How about this Lebron with the Los Angeles pay for
Clips the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It's a bad fit. They got enough big personalities. He
and Westbrook do not get along. They hate each other,
so you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Lebron's staying with the Lakers good fit.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I think it works in Los Angeles. I think
they're a good team. I don't think they're a championship team,
but I mean they led the Nuggets for seventy percent
of the series. His family's in La. Lebron is a
big market guy, like Miami isn't a huge city, but
it's a big it's a big market in terms of
marquee events. He needs to be some more like Miami
(28:55):
or a you know La.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, is Lebron a good fit with the Miami.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, the problem is I'd say probably because Bam and
Jimmy Butler are not three point shooters, so personnel lies
bad fit. I mean I would if they moved the
pieces around a ton, you could buy it. But it's
probably a bad fit because the roster and you can't
trust Tyler hero so Bam and Lebron is great with
three point shooters, that's what he's great with, and rim protectors.
(29:23):
So I don't think the personnel works. But Miami makes
a lot of big swings and takes a lot of
big swings, so eventually I think Miami could work.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Now this one's interesting. What about the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a bad fit. Do not take the ball to
Jalen Brunson's hand, do not? And Lebron needs the ball
and Jalen Brunson needs the ball. It's a bad fit.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Lebron to the Oklahoma City Thunder will that fit?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No bad fit. They got two stars and they got
some big contract. They're gonna have to pay Sga and Holmgren.
SGA is gonna make a lot of money and should
so there's no reason to derail the culture, the chemistry,
the team. What they're doing is perfect. And okay, see.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
How about Philadelphia seventy six ers with Maxi and mb
I kind of think it's a good fit because remember
Maxi is a small guard, but he doesn't he can
do off ball.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He's a very explosive off ball player, transition player. So
with Lebron, you got to keep with Lebron up in
transition and Lebron will get you the ball. And I
think it's time to move off mb I do. I'm
in the minority, but I think Philadelphia Lakers are two
where he really fits.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
And finally the San Antonio Spurs with ONEAMA they won
twenty two games.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Lebron's not gonna go to that. He's just too Honestly,
is he too big at this point for San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's a big question.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And I just don't see him disappearing down there.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What about with wem min Yama though, that's spicy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Wem beIN Yama. What else? I don't have anything else?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Devin Vassel, what's your beak?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Nothing against him, but so the ones that work for me.
Lake Kers is a good fit, Warrior is a good fit,
and Sixers a good fit. The Warriors won. Nobody wants
to talk about this. It really works completely.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Can you play Lebron and Draymond on the court at
the same time?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Why not? Draymond does all the dirty work. Lebron loves
guys that do the dirty.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
War wasn't their weakness again?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
He love n banging around on the glass. He loves
Anthony Davis. You know. Lebron likes guys that do the
dirty work. He likes shooters and somebody that will defend
the rim. He wants to be in transition. He wants
to handle the ball. People like like Kevin Durant is
perfect in the knicks. You can get him the ball
eight six seconds on the shot clock. Lebron wants the ball.
(31:40):
He's he's not a peer, and he had a good
year shooting the three this year. But that's not his history.
Kevin Durant, get him the ball, he'll hit it.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Gut to watch tonight.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Is Paul George if the Clippers lose? Remember he Kawhi
has signed with the Clippers. Paul George has not.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh no, I would take.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
A lot of questions.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I saw a report that the Orlando Magic think Paul
George would fit seamlessly.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I would love Paul George. The Magic, absolutely love it.
Rachel Nicol said this, Paul George is the most underrated
player in the league.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I would have gone Austin Reeves, but I'll accept Paul George.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You'll accept it on this show. Josh Allen's the most
underrated quarterback because you dog him on an average one
segment a day, one shot a day at Josh Allen
the most talented quarterback in the sport, including Mahomes. Just
physical features, just ability and traits.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
See tomorrow.
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