May 6, 2024 • 25 mins
Colin discusses the Roast of Tom Brady and why this would never happen with today's NBA superstars. He tells you why he was right about Joel Embiid and wrong about the Knicks. Plus, former Patriots QB Drew Bledsoe joins the show to talk about the Roast of Tom Brady and what it was like to attend in person
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It as a Monday. We are
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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making up part of your day one hour
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin is wrong,
there is plenty of boat. So I think it's amazing.
First of all, Jmac, I'm always amazed by technology. I
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tell the story one time I'm in Manhattan Beach walking
in the water, and my daughter is in Capetown, South Africa,
sitting in a small room and we face timing shows
and I'm like, houses pop, where's the satellite? How is
this happening? I'm amazed by technology. Last night, anywhere in
the world, you could have gone onto Netflix's app and
watched the Tom Brady roast, and it was like, we
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live in an amazing place.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It used to be roasts were like if you did
Dean Martin, Johnny Carson, you know, you'd see clips of
it ten years later. The average guy on the street,
average person couldn't watch stuff. So I thought it was
remarkable that you had this massive roast with all these
stars and the world could watch it live. That was
pretty cool. Did you see any of it last night? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I was watching with the kids at dinner and Nicki
Glazer makes a couple hilarious, inappropriate comments. I said, all right,
we got to shut it down and I will watch
the rest after work today.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, Nicky Glaser's pretty funny. So it's one of the
reasons I love football. There's a lot of reasons I
love football, but one of the reasons I love it
is it's a camaraderie. It's a family, it's a community.
And I'm watching this last night and I'm thinking to myself,
Belichick and Brady and Edelman and everybody's busting on everybody.
You couldn't do that in the NBA. There's just too
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many egos. Rudy Gobar had a great line. This weekend,
he talked about the Timberwolves and he said, I've been
in this league a long time. I've never been part
of a group that cares about each other and wants
to see other people shine. It's hard to get that
in the NBA. It's not in the NFL. You see
it every Sunday. It's not about getting mine, it's about
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getting ours. And that's why you can host that roast
last night. The greatest coach of all time and the
greatest football player of all time, and people took shots
at them for three and a half hours. And maybe
it's due to the regulated level of violence that you
need protection, you need an ally. But when you see
a football player get hurt, hopefully not seriously, sometimes seriously,
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but when they get hurt, you see players go to
a knee, some start crying, they start praying. That's authentic.
That's how football works. It's bonding, it's sacrifice, its family.
I thought it was a great night for Belichick. I'll
get into that after the break, but I thought last
night is why I love football, is that the best coach,
the best quarterback. And some of it was cringy, some
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of it you don't want around your kids. But I
did think there's been a lot of tension around Belichick
and Brady, and there's just tension all around the room,
and you throw craft in there. I thought some of
it was broken last night. A little bit lightened up
last night. And I get it, the Shaq and Kobe dynasties,
like I get it. It's intense, the heatels breaks up,
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feelings are hurt. But I thought last night mattered. I
think this is why football is great, that people can
laugh at themselves. It's not about getting yours, it's about
getting ours. And here was a highlight of Jeffrey Ross,
the great roast master and comedian, taking a shot at
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Tom, I really wanted you to be our first goat
to be roasted, because you're an example to future generations
that if you work hard, eat right, film the other
team's practices to flate the balls, and how the NFL
make new rules just for you, then you too can
be the third most famous guy in a Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That is perfect last night. We'll have more of it
throughout the day. But I'm serious about this. I think
there's a lot of reasons I like football it's the
best sport on television. You can bet it. My wife
would watch a football game. It's once a week. There's
a scarcity advantage all of it. But I think another
big part of this is it's a collection. I sat
on a plane yesterday flying back from Salt Lake City,
and I sat next to a gentleman, very successful gentleman,
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who is now an unpaid football coach. He does that
part time for his kids, for the community, He cares,
he loves it. He didn't have to do it, and
I really respect that. It's about ours, not mine, all right.
Speaking of the NBA, Anthony Edwards is he was in
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a really bad draft and he was the only really
great player I think out out of a bad draft.
And he's been in Minnesota, and Kevin Garnett was in
Minnesota for a long time and then eventually had to
leave to get a championship with the Boston Celtics. And
Minnesota has always been a franchise that has some really
interesting players, but you know, they got to get out
of there to win. And I think it's always an
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advantage if you can stay a Kobe Bryant, a Derek Jeter,
where you can just stay in your place and win forever.
I'm not anti mobility. I'm all form mobility. You know,
in baseball there's just a handful of franchises that can
spend big money. You know, Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Astros, a
lot of these franchises. You got to go there to
win championships if you really care about championships. As good
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as the Minnesota Minnesota Twins maybe run, or as great
as the city is. You know, you pay Joe Mauer
twenty years ago and you can't pay anybody else. And
in the NBA there are some glamour franchises. The face
of the league has overwhelmingly been like Philadelphia, Boston, LA,
maybe in Miami. It doesn't end up in Cleveland much.
Lebron James, who was a star when he was sixteen,
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changed that. So can Anthony Edwards be the face of
the NBA, a league that's increasingly international and is dying
for a face of the NBA because Katie, Lebron and
Steph are out of the playoffs and that's not good.
And I said it a couple of weeks ago. Are
we at an inflection point here? Does he want to
be MJ or does he want to be nik and
to be MJ. You got to embrace face of the
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league and you got to win several titles. One will
not do. Barkley was great, never the face of the league.
And the West is deep and it's loaded, it's young,
and the teams are all getting better now. It took
MJ years to break through the Pistons and the Celtics.
And I'm watching Minnesota beat Denver and Denver, and I'm thinking,
at twenty two years old, is this kid breaking through?
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He's got several things that remind me of Michael Jordan.
He's got that relentless energy, like Jordan could play thirty
six holes of golf and then beat the Celtics later
that night. This kid's got energy that's hard to duplicate.
And the second thing is he has an attack personality.
Jason Tatum's a nice kid. Aunt wants to dunk on
you and talk trash to you and guard the best guy.
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And that's very very MJ. And it's very attractive. We
like our athletes to be aggressive. So you know, there's
not that many when you go back to the seventies,
there's not that many NBA icons. There's been a lot
of great players, but the icons generally look different and
play different. I mean Shack's power, a Magic's size at
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point guard, Larry Bird's passing and shooting. He was a
forward when I watched basketball in the seventies, forwards couldn't shoot.
Larry Bird walked into the league and was the best
shooter and the best passer, and he was a forward.
Michael Jordan's relentlessness and style and aesthetics, and Edwards has
a lot of that. He will dunk sometime during the
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game and you'll go wow, and then he'll often say
something relatable and funny after the game. And it's not
that I doubt owed him. I said this a week ago.
I think we're at an inflection point. The league is
looking for a face in the league. A lot of
the international guys don't want to necessarily be there. It
helps to play college basketball a little we kind of
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we meet you there. I thought it could have been
Zion years ago. No, John Morant, maybe no. It looks
like at twenty two years old, Aunt Edwards could be
the guy. He doesn't have to win this series. He
does not have to win now he's so young. But
I did watch the game this weekend and I thought, oh,
he's easily the best player on the floor. Jo Kis
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didn't play well. Jo Kis did not play well. I'm
sure he'll rebound, though Minnesota is so big they'll make
it tough for him. But here was Aunt after game one,
not worried about the doubters.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We're just coming out to play. It's not about introducing
us to nobody. We know who we are. We don't
care what people say or what people think about us.
We're a collective group. We trust each other. It's all
love between us and we're well coached. So you know,
we're coming out and longest we got each other back,
it don't really matter what an't anybody else think.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We'll see a lot of fun. He was absolutely the
best player on the floor in that game, twenty five
in the first half. Took a little break in the
third quarter. That's okay, he's human. He can't play at
that level of the entire game. But when it was over,
I thought to myself, Okay, I still like Denver, but man,
they're not going to have an answer athletically. They don't
really have an answer for ant. They've got a little bit.
Minnesota got a little bit of an answer for Jokis
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because of their size, Denver didn't really have an answer
for your aunt. And that was always the thing with
Jordan is that you know, you could have answers for
a lot of the things the Bulls did. But if
Michael went relentless where the steam's coming off his head
like twice a game, nobody in the league had an
answer for it. Other teams had great offensive players, there's
a Barkley here, there's a Gary Payton there, but nobody
really had an answer for Mike and his prime. And
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that's generally when you're a nikon like Jason Tatum, you
feel like he's gonna get his But can I make
it difficult? When you watched ant in that first half,
Denver didn't even make it difficult. And they were trying,
and it wasn't close, and it was in Denver and
it was high altitude, It's like, Okay, that looks like
somebody I remember two initials, MJ. So there you go,
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J Mac the roast. There's a lot of it we
can't play due to the fact that we're an over
the air cable network, but some of it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, Kevin Hart Nikki Glazer, Jeff Ross.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Those are like the three best roasters probably in America.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They came out strong with their best stuff. The little
I saw was outstanding. I don't know how you're going
to play stuff on the show today. April Drew Bletsoe,
Peyton Manning. Drew Bletsoe was funny. Peyton Manning was funny.
So some people weren't as great.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I will tell you the fact that I thought
Belichick was the biggest winner last night, and I want
to talk about that. I know I want to talk
about that coming up.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
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Speaker 1 (10:58):
Early in his career, the first like fifty sixteen years,
you know, having Lebron guaranteed you a trip to the finals.
You got forty four minutes. He was the best player
on the game. In every game he played, he would
take a series over even if they were out. Man.
Now he's still a playmaker, the Lakers' best playmaker, and
he still gives you bursts of amazing. Nobody would dispute that,
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but he doesn't guarantee anything. So if somebody guarantees something,
it's a different relationship. I'm willing to do almost everything.
But if you don't guarantee me anything, and Lebron doesn't,
they were a seventh seed. So this constant need by
Lebron to have like the perfect coach and the perfect roster.
Bro got to take a pay cut if you want
a better roster because this the rosters you've been on
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in the last several years are not perfect and are
not close. And remember when Lebron first came to the Lakers,
there was a lot of old heads in the West.
Denver's young, Okase, he's young. Minnesota is a mix of
old and young, Sacramento's young. You know, the two LA
teams kind of old Clippers injured, an old Lakers healthier
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and old. But you know, I think, and I also
think when JJ Reddick's your friend and that's one of
the better candidates, I think anytime a friend is a
top candidate for any business, you know, can that friend
hold you accountable? But I do think there was a
time with Lebron he gets guaranteed me things, so Dan
Gilbert could complain or pat Riley didn't like it, but
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he guaranteed a trip to the finals, and he can
win him about half the time. That's a different relationship.
That's that's totally different. But you don't get the guarantees anymore.
So Lebron's done a very good job to kind of
carefully craft his image, you know, But I don't think
anybody buys it anymore. We all know that Darvin Ham
got a vote of confidence in a week later he
was fired. That doesn't happen. I mean, your wife doesn't
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say I love you more than anything in the world.
Six days later she files for divorce. Somebody fooled around
like something happened. That doesn't You don't go for that
pendulum swing. So this was a Lebron or a sports.
They can deny it all they want, but nobody's buying
any of it. And I think nobody's buying what Lebron
is selling, which is, hey man, it's not my job.
I just play Now. You do more than that. And
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I don't think Darvin Ham was the best coach in
the league. I don't think he's Pop or Spolstra or
Steve Kerr. But I don't think at this point who
would want that job again. The Lakers are now going
to hire their eight coach in fourteen years. That is
a that's us. I mean, you're getting into New York
Jets territory. Who wants the job? Who wants the job?
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So Rick Buker last week on you know how hard
it is at this stage to appease Lebron.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We're catering to you. If it doesn't if it doesn't work,
I'm not going to blame other people. We did what
you asked us to do. We got you who you
wanted to get. And there's nothing wrong with failing. It's
just abdicating the responsibility of that Darvin ham By no
means was perfect in the job that he did. But
you're not going to find somebody who's going to fix.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
This this roster, this.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Group with a thirty nine year old Lebron James as
your closer still and win win a championship.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
All right, let's go now. Listen, Drew Bledsoe does not
have to come on our show today. People were having
a good time last night and Drew Bledsoe was one
of the funnier guys out there willing to take a
shot at Tom. Now look at it, so you look
like you're about ready. You need to be hydh redded,
and you're about ready to play golf? Am I right
with both of those?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You are?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
And what I really need right now, Colin, I need
an IV is what I need.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
We went to the UH.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
We went to the UH, went to the after party
at the comedy store, and stayed there way way too late.
And now we're getting ready to.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Go to you it up.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Let me ask you this, Though you probably had expectations
going in, I thought, oh, there's a lot of tension here.
This is going to be a little How did it
deliver based on your expectations flying down from the north
w get into LA and what you were expecting?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You know, I mean I knew it was going to
be rough on Tom, and I knew they were going
to come back at me too. But you know, I mean,
a roast is a roast, right, You got to go
all in otherwise it doesn't Otherwise it doesn't work. But man,
it was so damn funny calling and just sitting there.
I was glad that I was up early. There was
a lot of pressure to go early. You know, people
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had been drinking very much, so I actually had to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They couldn't just be wasted.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
And but I was really glad I went early, so
then I got to just sit back and laugh the
rest of the time. Man, it was funny as hell.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So when it was over, I mean literally there was.
There was a moment with Belichick and Craft at the
podium with Kevin. Bill looked like the last place on
earth he wanted to be. I get it. He hated
the documentary. I get it. But I will tell you this, Drew.
I thought Belichick was a winner last night. He laughed,
he laughed at himself. And I think Bill the last
several years, you know, came across as a little combative
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and rigid. I thought Bill handle that. I thought I
thought Bill was one of the winners last night.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree with you, Colin. I think
he you know Bill, look you get him out of
the office. He is a funny guy. He's a good person.
You know, he's obviously very prickly around the office and
in a professional setting. Yeah, but I thought I thought
that was good for him last night. I didn't know
if he was going to be there. They didn't. I
don't think they knew if he was going to be
there until like maybe two days ago, and uh yeah,
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I definitely thought he was a winter last night, come
in and you know, be able to laugh at himself
and be a little bit lighthearted. And then he and
he and Craft before the before the show, they got
some time to break it down, just the two of them,
you know, and nobody knows what was said, but the
two of them got to spend some time together, which
was great.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, Tom was mostly comfortable. But I sat there and
I thought, oh man, I can laugh at myself, but
it's pretty rough. Was there ever a moment you thought, Man,
we're being rough, We're being rough. We're going after everything here,
you know.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Uh, oh man, some of the some of the crypto
stuff I had, I had honestly almost forgotten about that,
and they went deep on that stuff on him, and then,
uh but you know that, I mean, the truth is
with Tom, you know, I mean, you can't make fun
of his career, you can't make fun of his accomplishments,
so you gotta go personal. And uh, I think that's
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that's what he that's what he signed up for, you know.
I mean I don't have a lot of stuff to
make up make fun of him for, but I can
make fun of the fact that he's not married anymore.
So that's that's where.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I had to go.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
But but man, he was uh now, he was a
good sport and uh, you know, communicated with him before that,
and his his point was, look, man, all this stuff's
already been said, like, none of this is brand new material,
and so he's like, might as well to say it
to my face instead of just saying it outside. But
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uh did I'll tell you. What I'll tell you was
what was What was pretty interesting though. Man, you're sitting
up there and you everybody on teleprompters and got all
this stuff written before. But dude, Rob Gronkowski is just
Rob Gronkowski and that's what he's best at, is being Gronk.
And so I'm up there looking at the teleprompter like, dude,
this guy is so far off script. I don't know
if he's ever going to get back. And they weren't
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faking it, man, and he and Kevin Hart were drinking
lots of tequila sitting up there last night. Man, it
was it was funny.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, I'm glad you are sunglasses. I don't need to
see those red eyes. Go go go hit one under
I know where you're at. It's a great course. Good
luck to you.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Yeah, going going going low today, playing again with a
bunch of the bunch of the comedians today. So at
the very least, we're gonna laugh a lot and uh
and then I'm gonna go home and get some rest
for a couple of days. Man, I'm cool for this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He won't even drink his own wine for a couple
of days, Drew Bledsoe, it's great seeing you.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Man.
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
So we do it every Monday at this time. Where
Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong, lots of that here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You know I've always said about Joel Mbid. You keep
telling me it's a superstar, and he can't get past
the second round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. I thought
this year in the playoffs, he too often played small,
He was inconsistent, he was a stats monster. He shrunk
in the fourth quarter. Listen to this, next team is
not real talented Joel. Josh Hart's your second leading scorer,
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was a prime example of the table was set for him.
MAXI is now an emerging star. It's here for the taking,
and once again Joe well mb disappointed where Colin was raw.
I like Darvin Ham, I don't love him. I was
surprised he was fired a week ago. He got a
vote of support from somebody who leaked it to the
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athletic and now they fired him. That means Lebron wanted
him out. I thought Genie Buss would support him. There's
been a lot of talk in recent years about Genie
wanting to control the franchise and not having Lebron control it.
So it does surprise me that they let him go.
He was more than competent. I didn't know his love
his rotations, but again, there's three or four coaches in
the league, and even those guys get whacked by their fans.
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I was surprised they fired him. Where Colin was right,
Kawhi played only two games, the Clippers lost both. I
don't really understand re signing him to that massive extension
three years, one hundred and fifty million. What do I
do I get? Leadership? Do I get reliability? Do I
get consistent production? What do I get for them? I mean,
go to the last like twenty games of the playoffs,
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He's played like five. Maybe I just don't know why
the league and the Clippers feel like they needed I
don't know what I'm getting. I don't get a verbal leader.
I don't get a great basketball role model. I get
chaos and unpredictability and no reliability.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
On my five bold NBA predictions, I had the next
losing in the first round of the Sixers, but it
was pretty obvious by halftime of Game two, New York
was gonna win the series. I mean, listen, Josh Hart's
not a score and he ended up being their second
leading scorer in the Sixers series. I mean, they had
six guys averaging double figures. It's a very UNNBA like
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playoff winning team, one star and not much help. I
didn't even know if if Kyrie and Luca could win
a series. The fact that Jalen Brunson it speaks to
a little bit how overrated the Sixers are, how weak
the East is, and also also how great Jalen Brunson is.
Where Colin was right, innocent people don't get stressed out.
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I've said with shoe Hey O'tani from the beginning, I
think he's innocent. Well, he leads baseball in several categories. Yesterday,
four hits, homer twice, Dodger swept the Braves. Otani is
playing like an innocent man. This is the team we expected.
The gambling scandal, I think it matters to people in
the gambling industry who do that stuff. You know, there's
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a big stories in Vegas. But I think think the
average baseball fan is a casual fan. They don't watch
one hundred and sixty two games a year, and I
think they're over it, and I think Otani's playing like
an innocent man.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Caitlyn Clark, Listen, nothing against women's basketball, but this is
a Caitlyn Clark story, what she's done to women's basketball.
An exhibition road game sold out. I also think her
game will translate to the WNBA and she'll be a
dominant player. She had twenty one points. Listen, she just
gets open and looks. Even in the NBA, lots of
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guys need screens, they need passing, they need help, she doesn't.
She gets her own shot. It's almost always a good shot.
And it was a sold out WNBA exhibition road game
that is iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I didn't trust the Mavericks late in the year when
they got hot. I told j Mack, I said, you know,
late NBA season winning streaks when you're playing a bunch
of tanking teams, don't mean anything. But did anybody else
surprise how good their defense was? The Clippers averaged one
hundred a game with Westbrook and Hardin and Paul George
in a couple of games of Kawhi. They're playing unbelievable defense.
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And you know, Kyrie. It's not that people didn't like Kyrie,
it's just, you know, know exactly what you're getting. But
he put on an absolute clinic against the Clippers. Where
Colin was right. Told you the Lakers should have avoided Denver.
I said, when they get beat badly by Denver, Darvin
Ham's in trouble, brawn will be passive aggressive, and we'll
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swim back to chaos. And that's exactly what's happened. The
Lakers are now looking for their eighth coach in fourteen years.
If that was an NFL franchise, we would call that
a circus eighth coach in fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We told you where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Listen, I thought Justin Fields had a chance, but every
time I watched them it diminished. There were rumors last
week that he may be used as a kick returner.
They have been squashed, but the fact that they became
rumors tells you all you need to know. Listen, if
you're honest about it, you look for data points, fourth
quarter passer rating, completion percentage, playing from behind. There's no
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data point that leads you to believe you could build
your franchise around it. Now he's talented. I think somebody
else will give him another shot to be the guy.
Probably a two year deal, not a five year deal
for huge money. But the fact that was a rumor
tells you and that he went for a six round
pick tells you you people looked at the data and
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don't seem as a franchise guy.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It as a Monday. We are
ready to roll live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making up part of your day one hour
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin is wrong,
there is plenty of boat. So I think it's amazing.
First of all, Jmac, I'm always amazed by technology. I
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tell the story one time I'm in Manhattan Beach walking
in the water, and my daughter is in Capetown, South Africa,
sitting in a small room and we face timing shows
and I'm like, houses pop, where's the satellite? How is
this happening? I'm amazed by technology. Last night, anywhere in
the world, you could have gone onto Netflix's app and
watched the Tom Brady roast, and it was like, we
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live in an amazing place.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It used to be roasts were like if you did
Dean Martin, Johnny Carson, you know, you'd see clips of
it ten years later. The average guy on the street,
average person couldn't watch stuff. So I thought it was
remarkable that you had this massive roast with all these
stars and the world could watch it live. That was
pretty cool. Did you see any of it last night? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I was watching with the kids at dinner and Nicki
Glazer makes a couple hilarious, inappropriate comments. I said, all right,
we got to shut it down and I will watch
the rest after work today.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, Nicky Glaser's pretty funny. So it's one of the
reasons I love football. There's a lot of reasons I
love football, but one of the reasons I love it
is it's a camaraderie. It's a family, it's a community.
And I'm watching this last night and I'm thinking to myself,
Belichick and Brady and Edelman and everybody's busting on everybody.
You couldn't do that in the NBA. There's just too
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many egos. Rudy Gobar had a great line. This weekend,
he talked about the Timberwolves and he said, I've been
in this league a long time. I've never been part
of a group that cares about each other and wants
to see other people shine. It's hard to get that
in the NBA. It's not in the NFL. You see
it every Sunday. It's not about getting mine, it's about
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getting ours. And that's why you can host that roast
last night. The greatest coach of all time and the
greatest football player of all time, and people took shots
at them for three and a half hours. And maybe
it's due to the regulated level of violence that you
need protection, you need an ally. But when you see
a football player get hurt, hopefully not seriously, sometimes seriously,
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but when they get hurt, you see players go to
a knee, some start crying, they start praying. That's authentic.
That's how football works. It's bonding, it's sacrifice, its family.
I thought it was a great night for Belichick. I'll
get into that after the break, but I thought last
night is why I love football, is that the best coach,
the best quarterback. And some of it was cringy, some
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of it you don't want around your kids. But I
did think there's been a lot of tension around Belichick
and Brady, and there's just tension all around the room,
and you throw craft in there. I thought some of
it was broken last night. A little bit lightened up
last night. And I get it, the Shaq and Kobe dynasties,
like I get it. It's intense, the heatels breaks up,
(03:30):
feelings are hurt. But I thought last night mattered. I
think this is why football is great, that people can
laugh at themselves. It's not about getting yours, it's about
getting ours. And here was a highlight of Jeffrey Ross,
the great roast master and comedian, taking a shot at
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Tom, I really wanted you to be our first goat
to be roasted, because you're an example to future generations
that if you work hard, eat right, film the other
team's practices to flate the balls, and how the NFL
make new rules just for you, then you too can
be the third most famous guy in a Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That is perfect last night. We'll have more of it
throughout the day. But I'm serious about this. I think
there's a lot of reasons I like football it's the
best sport on television. You can bet it. My wife
would watch a football game. It's once a week. There's
a scarcity advantage all of it. But I think another
big part of this is it's a collection. I sat
on a plane yesterday flying back from Salt Lake City,
and I sat next to a gentleman, very successful gentleman,
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who is now an unpaid football coach. He does that
part time for his kids, for the community, He cares,
he loves it. He didn't have to do it, and
I really respect that. It's about ours, not mine, all right.
Speaking of the NBA, Anthony Edwards is he was in
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a really bad draft and he was the only really
great player I think out out of a bad draft.
And he's been in Minnesota, and Kevin Garnett was in
Minnesota for a long time and then eventually had to
leave to get a championship with the Boston Celtics. And
Minnesota has always been a franchise that has some really
interesting players, but you know, they got to get out
of there to win. And I think it's always an
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advantage if you can stay a Kobe Bryant, a Derek Jeter,
where you can just stay in your place and win forever.
I'm not anti mobility. I'm all form mobility. You know,
in baseball there's just a handful of franchises that can
spend big money. You know, Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Astros, a
lot of these franchises. You got to go there to
win championships if you really care about championships. As good
(05:41):
as the Minnesota Minnesota Twins maybe run, or as great
as the city is. You know, you pay Joe Mauer
twenty years ago and you can't pay anybody else. And
in the NBA there are some glamour franchises. The face
of the league has overwhelmingly been like Philadelphia, Boston, LA,
maybe in Miami. It doesn't end up in Cleveland much.
Lebron James, who was a star when he was sixteen,
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changed that. So can Anthony Edwards be the face of
the NBA, a league that's increasingly international and is dying
for a face of the NBA because Katie, Lebron and
Steph are out of the playoffs and that's not good.
And I said it a couple of weeks ago. Are
we at an inflection point here? Does he want to
be MJ or does he want to be nik and
to be MJ. You got to embrace face of the
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league and you got to win several titles. One will
not do. Barkley was great, never the face of the league.
And the West is deep and it's loaded, it's young,
and the teams are all getting better now. It took
MJ years to break through the Pistons and the Celtics.
And I'm watching Minnesota beat Denver and Denver, and I'm thinking,
at twenty two years old, is this kid breaking through?
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He's got several things that remind me of Michael Jordan.
He's got that relentless energy, like Jordan could play thirty
six holes of golf and then beat the Celtics later
that night. This kid's got energy that's hard to duplicate.
And the second thing is he has an attack personality.
Jason Tatum's a nice kid. Aunt wants to dunk on
you and talk trash to you and guard the best guy.
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And that's very very MJ. And it's very attractive. We
like our athletes to be aggressive. So you know, there's
not that many when you go back to the seventies,
there's not that many NBA icons. There's been a lot
of great players, but the icons generally look different and
play different. I mean Shack's power, a Magic's size at
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point guard, Larry Bird's passing and shooting. He was a
forward when I watched basketball in the seventies, forwards couldn't shoot.
Larry Bird walked into the league and was the best
shooter and the best passer, and he was a forward.
Michael Jordan's relentlessness and style and aesthetics, and Edwards has
a lot of that. He will dunk sometime during the
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game and you'll go wow, and then he'll often say
something relatable and funny after the game. And it's not
that I doubt owed him. I said this a week ago.
I think we're at an inflection point. The league is
looking for a face in the league. A lot of
the international guys don't want to necessarily be there. It
helps to play college basketball a little we kind of
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we meet you there. I thought it could have been
Zion years ago. No, John Morant, maybe no. It looks
like at twenty two years old, Aunt Edwards could be
the guy. He doesn't have to win this series. He
does not have to win now he's so young. But
I did watch the game this weekend and I thought, oh,
he's easily the best player on the floor. Jo Kis
(08:33):
didn't play well. Jo Kis did not play well. I'm
sure he'll rebound, though Minnesota is so big they'll make
it tough for him. But here was Aunt after game one,
not worried about the doubters.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We're just coming out to play. It's not about introducing
us to nobody. We know who we are. We don't
care what people say or what people think about us.
We're a collective group. We trust each other. It's all
love between us and we're well coached. So you know,
we're coming out and longest we got each other back,
it don't really matter what an't anybody else think.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We'll see a lot of fun. He was absolutely the
best player on the floor in that game, twenty five
in the first half. Took a little break in the
third quarter. That's okay, he's human. He can't play at
that level of the entire game. But when it was over,
I thought to myself, Okay, I still like Denver, but man,
they're not going to have an answer athletically. They don't
really have an answer for ant. They've got a little bit.
Minnesota got a little bit of an answer for Jokis
(09:25):
because of their size, Denver didn't really have an answer
for your aunt. And that was always the thing with
Jordan is that you know, you could have answers for
a lot of the things the Bulls did. But if
Michael went relentless where the steam's coming off his head
like twice a game, nobody in the league had an
answer for it. Other teams had great offensive players, there's
a Barkley here, there's a Gary Payton there, but nobody
really had an answer for Mike and his prime. And
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that's generally when you're a nikon like Jason Tatum, you
feel like he's gonna get his But can I make
it difficult? When you watched ant in that first half,
Denver didn't even make it difficult. And they were trying,
and it wasn't close, and it was in Denver and
it was high altitude, It's like, Okay, that looks like
somebody I remember two initials, MJ. So there you go,
(10:07):
J Mac the roast. There's a lot of it we
can't play due to the fact that we're an over
the air cable network, but some of it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, Kevin Hart Nikki Glazer, Jeff Ross.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Those are like the three best roasters probably in America.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They came out strong with their best stuff. The little
I saw was outstanding. I don't know how you're going
to play stuff on the show today. April Drew Bletsoe,
Peyton Manning. Drew Bletsoe was funny. Peyton Manning was funny.
So some people weren't as great.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I will tell you the fact that I thought
Belichick was the biggest winner last night, and I want
to talk about that. I know I want to talk
about that coming up.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
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Speaker 1 (10:58):
Early in his career, the first like fifty sixteen years,
you know, having Lebron guaranteed you a trip to the finals.
You got forty four minutes. He was the best player
on the game. In every game he played, he would
take a series over even if they were out. Man.
Now he's still a playmaker, the Lakers' best playmaker, and
he still gives you bursts of amazing. Nobody would dispute that,
(11:19):
but he doesn't guarantee anything. So if somebody guarantees something,
it's a different relationship. I'm willing to do almost everything.
But if you don't guarantee me anything, and Lebron doesn't,
they were a seventh seed. So this constant need by
Lebron to have like the perfect coach and the perfect roster.
Bro got to take a pay cut if you want
a better roster because this the rosters you've been on
(11:41):
in the last several years are not perfect and are
not close. And remember when Lebron first came to the Lakers,
there was a lot of old heads in the West.
Denver's young, Okase, he's young. Minnesota is a mix of
old and young, Sacramento's young. You know, the two LA
teams kind of old Clippers injured, an old Lakers healthier
(12:04):
and old. But you know, I think, and I also
think when JJ Reddick's your friend and that's one of
the better candidates, I think anytime a friend is a
top candidate for any business, you know, can that friend
hold you accountable? But I do think there was a
time with Lebron he gets guaranteed me things, so Dan
Gilbert could complain or pat Riley didn't like it, but
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he guaranteed a trip to the finals, and he can
win him about half the time. That's a different relationship.
That's that's totally different. But you don't get the guarantees anymore.
So Lebron's done a very good job to kind of
carefully craft his image, you know, But I don't think
anybody buys it anymore. We all know that Darvin Ham
got a vote of confidence in a week later he
was fired. That doesn't happen. I mean, your wife doesn't
(12:48):
say I love you more than anything in the world.
Six days later she files for divorce. Somebody fooled around
like something happened. That doesn't You don't go for that
pendulum swing. So this was a Lebron or a sports.
They can deny it all they want, but nobody's buying
any of it. And I think nobody's buying what Lebron
is selling, which is, hey man, it's not my job.
I just play Now. You do more than that. And
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I don't think Darvin Ham was the best coach in
the league. I don't think he's Pop or Spolstra or
Steve Kerr. But I don't think at this point who
would want that job again. The Lakers are now going
to hire their eight coach in fourteen years. That is
a that's us. I mean, you're getting into New York
Jets territory. Who wants the job? Who wants the job?
(13:31):
So Rick Buker last week on you know how hard
it is at this stage to appease Lebron.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We're catering to you. If it doesn't if it doesn't work,
I'm not going to blame other people. We did what
you asked us to do. We got you who you
wanted to get. And there's nothing wrong with failing. It's
just abdicating the responsibility of that Darvin ham By no
means was perfect in the job that he did. But
you're not going to find somebody who's going to fix.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
This this roster, this.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Group with a thirty nine year old Lebron James as
your closer still and win win a championship.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
All right, let's go now. Listen, Drew Bledsoe does not
have to come on our show today. People were having
a good time last night and Drew Bledsoe was one
of the funnier guys out there willing to take a
shot at Tom. Now look at it, so you look
like you're about ready. You need to be hydh redded,
and you're about ready to play golf? Am I right
with both of those?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You are?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
And what I really need right now, Colin, I need
an IV is what I need.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
We went to the UH.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
We went to the UH, went to the after party
at the comedy store, and stayed there way way too late.
And now we're getting ready to.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Go to you it up.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Let me ask you this, Though you probably had expectations
going in, I thought, oh, there's a lot of tension here.
This is going to be a little How did it
deliver based on your expectations flying down from the north
w get into LA and what you were expecting?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You know, I mean I knew it was going to
be rough on Tom, and I knew they were going
to come back at me too. But you know, I mean,
a roast is a roast, right, You got to go
all in otherwise it doesn't Otherwise it doesn't work. But man,
it was so damn funny calling and just sitting there.
I was glad that I was up early. There was
a lot of pressure to go early. You know, people
(15:25):
had been drinking very much, so I actually had to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They couldn't just be wasted.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
And but I was really glad I went early, so
then I got to just sit back and laugh the
rest of the time. Man, it was funny as hell.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So when it was over, I mean literally there was.
There was a moment with Belichick and Craft at the
podium with Kevin. Bill looked like the last place on
earth he wanted to be. I get it. He hated
the documentary. I get it. But I will tell you this, Drew.
I thought Belichick was a winner last night. He laughed,
he laughed at himself. And I think Bill the last
several years, you know, came across as a little combative
(15:58):
and rigid. I thought Bill handle that. I thought I
thought Bill was one of the winners last night.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree with you, Colin. I think
he you know Bill, look you get him out of
the office. He is a funny guy. He's a good person.
You know, he's obviously very prickly around the office and
in a professional setting. Yeah, but I thought I thought
that was good for him last night. I didn't know
if he was going to be there. They didn't. I
don't think they knew if he was going to be
there until like maybe two days ago, and uh yeah,
(16:27):
I definitely thought he was a winter last night, come
in and you know, be able to laugh at himself
and be a little bit lighthearted. And then he and
he and Craft before the before the show, they got
some time to break it down, just the two of them,
you know, and nobody knows what was said, but the
two of them got to spend some time together, which
was great.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, Tom was mostly comfortable. But I sat there and
I thought, oh man, I can laugh at myself, but
it's pretty rough. Was there ever a moment you thought, Man,
we're being rough, We're being rough. We're going after everything here,
you know.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Uh, oh man, some of the some of the crypto
stuff I had, I had honestly almost forgotten about that,
and they went deep on that stuff on him, and then,
uh but you know that, I mean, the truth is
with Tom, you know, I mean, you can't make fun
of his career, you can't make fun of his accomplishments,
so you gotta go personal. And uh, I think that's
(17:24):
that's what he that's what he signed up for, you know.
I mean I don't have a lot of stuff to
make up make fun of him for, but I can
make fun of the fact that he's not married anymore.
So that's that's where.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I had to go.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
But but man, he was uh now, he was a
good sport and uh, you know, communicated with him before that,
and his his point was, look, man, all this stuff's
already been said, like, none of this is brand new material,
and so he's like, might as well to say it
to my face instead of just saying it outside. But
(17:54):
uh did I'll tell you. What I'll tell you was
what was What was pretty interesting though. Man, you're sitting
up there and you everybody on teleprompters and got all
this stuff written before. But dude, Rob Gronkowski is just
Rob Gronkowski and that's what he's best at, is being Gronk.
And so I'm up there looking at the teleprompter like, dude,
this guy is so far off script. I don't know
if he's ever going to get back. And they weren't
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faking it, man, and he and Kevin Hart were drinking
lots of tequila sitting up there last night. Man, it
was it was funny.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, I'm glad you are sunglasses. I don't need to
see those red eyes. Go go go hit one under
I know where you're at. It's a great course. Good
luck to you.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Yeah, going going going low today, playing again with a
bunch of the bunch of the comedians today. So at
the very least, we're gonna laugh a lot and uh
and then I'm gonna go home and get some rest
for a couple of days. Man, I'm cool for this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He won't even drink his own wine for a couple
of days, Drew Bledsoe, it's great seeing you.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Man.
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
So we do it every Monday at this time. Where
Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong, lots of that here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You know I've always said about Joel Mbid. You keep
telling me it's a superstar, and he can't get past
the second round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. I thought
this year in the playoffs, he too often played small,
He was inconsistent, he was a stats monster. He shrunk
in the fourth quarter. Listen to this, next team is
not real talented Joel. Josh Hart's your second leading scorer,
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was a prime example of the table was set for him.
MAXI is now an emerging star. It's here for the taking,
and once again Joe well mb disappointed where Colin was raw.
I like Darvin Ham, I don't love him. I was
surprised he was fired a week ago. He got a
vote of support from somebody who leaked it to the
(20:19):
athletic and now they fired him. That means Lebron wanted
him out. I thought Genie Buss would support him. There's
been a lot of talk in recent years about Genie
wanting to control the franchise and not having Lebron control it.
So it does surprise me that they let him go.
He was more than competent. I didn't know his love
his rotations, but again, there's three or four coaches in
the league, and even those guys get whacked by their fans.
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I was surprised they fired him. Where Colin was right,
Kawhi played only two games, the Clippers lost both. I
don't really understand re signing him to that massive extension
three years, one hundred and fifty million. What do I
do I get? Leadership? Do I get reliability? Do I
get consistent production? What do I get for them? I mean,
go to the last like twenty games of the playoffs,
(21:04):
He's played like five. Maybe I just don't know why
the league and the Clippers feel like they needed I
don't know what I'm getting. I don't get a verbal leader.
I don't get a great basketball role model. I get
chaos and unpredictability and no reliability.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
On my five bold NBA predictions, I had the next
losing in the first round of the Sixers, but it
was pretty obvious by halftime of Game two, New York
was gonna win the series. I mean, listen, Josh Hart's
not a score and he ended up being their second
leading scorer in the Sixers series. I mean, they had
six guys averaging double figures. It's a very UNNBA like
(21:47):
playoff winning team, one star and not much help. I
didn't even know if if Kyrie and Luca could win
a series. The fact that Jalen Brunson it speaks to
a little bit how overrated the Sixers are, how weak
the East is, and also also how great Jalen Brunson is.
Where Colin was right, innocent people don't get stressed out.
(22:10):
I've said with shoe Hey O'tani from the beginning, I
think he's innocent. Well, he leads baseball in several categories. Yesterday,
four hits, homer twice, Dodger swept the Braves. Otani is
playing like an innocent man. This is the team we expected.
The gambling scandal, I think it matters to people in
the gambling industry who do that stuff. You know, there's
(22:30):
a big stories in Vegas. But I think think the
average baseball fan is a casual fan. They don't watch
one hundred and sixty two games a year, and I
think they're over it, and I think Otani's playing like
an innocent man.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Caitlyn Clark, Listen, nothing against women's basketball, but this is
a Caitlyn Clark story, what she's done to women's basketball.
An exhibition road game sold out. I also think her
game will translate to the WNBA and she'll be a
dominant player. She had twenty one points. Listen, she just
gets open and looks. Even in the NBA, lots of
(23:03):
guys need screens, they need passing, they need help, she doesn't.
She gets her own shot. It's almost always a good shot.
And it was a sold out WNBA exhibition road game
that is iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I didn't trust the Mavericks late in the year when
they got hot. I told j Mack, I said, you know,
late NBA season winning streaks when you're playing a bunch
of tanking teams, don't mean anything. But did anybody else
surprise how good their defense was? The Clippers averaged one
hundred a game with Westbrook and Hardin and Paul George
in a couple of games of Kawhi. They're playing unbelievable defense.
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And you know, Kyrie. It's not that people didn't like Kyrie,
it's just, you know, know exactly what you're getting. But
he put on an absolute clinic against the Clippers. Where
Colin was right. Told you the Lakers should have avoided Denver.
I said, when they get beat badly by Denver, Darvin
Ham's in trouble, brawn will be passive aggressive, and we'll
(24:02):
swim back to chaos. And that's exactly what's happened. The
Lakers are now looking for their eighth coach in fourteen years.
If that was an NFL franchise, we would call that
a circus eighth coach in fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We told you where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Listen, I thought Justin Fields had a chance, but every
time I watched them it diminished. There were rumors last
week that he may be used as a kick returner.
They have been squashed, but the fact that they became
rumors tells you all you need to know. Listen, if
you're honest about it, you look for data points, fourth
quarter passer rating, completion percentage, playing from behind. There's no
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data point that leads you to believe you could build
your franchise around it. Now he's talented. I think somebody
else will give him another shot to be the guy.
Probably a two year deal, not a five year deal
for huge money. But the fact that was a rumor
tells you and that he went for a six round
pick tells you you people looked at the data and
(25:07):
don't seem as a franchise guy.
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Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.