May 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Colin gives the Knicks props for their toughness to take a commanding 2-0 lead in the 2nd round of the playoffs despite all their injuries. He discusses Nikola Jokic winning his 3 MVP and why we are reluctant to acknowledge his greatness. Plus, 3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show to talk about his experience preparing for and performing at the Tom Brady Roast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh here we go to Thursday. Lots to discuss. As
always in LA, it's the hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Well, well, well, the Knicks were so
vulnerable last night. You got players missing.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Bigs out, Brunson, Labbilly, and I felt more than the
first game in the series. I felt clearly the Knicks
were better. Never never in the second half thought Indiana
could win. It went back and forth, and I kind
of liked Indiana, but it feels like almost now was
at Indiana's best punch.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I remember I said, Pacers money line, tell great about
it for much of the game, and goodness graces, can
the Pacers get a stop?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean this Nicks team, what a game?
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the playoffs unveil the posers and the frauds. The fakers,
that's the Pacers. I mean, what more could Indiana have
in their favor. Julius Randall, second leading scorer, has been
out the entire playoffs, and then it's announced Mitchell Robinson
out for the rest of the playoffs. Jalen Brunson played early,
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then disappeared because he was hobbled, came back in the
second half. Oh g's not at one hundred percent. Everything
lined up for the Pacers, and we know the NBA
officials have been doing this for the entire playoffs. They're
letting players be physical. It's better basketball. And the Pacers
are a tempo team, a finesse team, get up and
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down the floor team, and they can't adjust on the fly.
So it's like asking a finesse football team to go
into Baltimore and face the Ravens. That's why the Ravens
have like six blowouts this year at home. The Knicks
are shooting fifty five percent from the floor in the
playoffs because Indiana won't put a body on them. But
it's more than that New York's DNA. They're a physical
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bunch of guys, and they're now being allowed to be
even more physical. The Pacers are a finesse team and
they're trying to fake it because now the league is
set as a whole, we're gonna let everybody play. So
you notice the teams that are flourishing in the playoffs,
they're the physical teams that the NBA is allowing to
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be even more physical. It plays right into their style.
The Celtics, the Knicks, the t Wolves, Okac but Rick Carlisle, No, no, no, no,
he's blaming market size.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
We deserve of a fair shot, you know, And and
it's just it's just not it's just there's not there's
not a consistent balance their their physicality is rewarded and
ours is penalized. Just you know, time after time, small
market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they deserve
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a fair shot, no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That sounds like a fan Oklahoma City flourishing, Minnesota flourishing, Spurs,
Dynasty Bucks with a title. Major markets like New York.
Previous to this year, for twenty years, Atlanta, DC, Chicago,
Detroit had been in the toilet forever. Both LA teams
are out the Bay Area teams out. Give me a break, Philadelphia,
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big market can't get past the second round. This is
the first time New York's been relevant forever. Go look
at the last four minutes of the game. Go look
at the rebounds. Knicks have nine, pacers have three. So
the Indiana issue is that their construction is built for
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speed and tempo, and New York's construction before the season
started was built for toughness. And even when the Knicks
lose a tough guy Randall or a tough guy Mitchell
Robinson and brunts in another tough guys hobbled, their DNA
is still built for these playoffs, as is OKC and
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Minnesota and Boston. I mean this last night, it was
served up for you. Bruns an n og are hobbling around.
Isn't about market size. You're getting bullied, especially in the
fourth quarter, where the Knicks have been a good clutch
time team this year. But watch these fourth quarters. This
is like a guy that's a finesse boxer trying to
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be a bully, and it's like a bully hobbled but
still allowed to be a bully in the any opposer.
This is not what they are. The league tweaked the
rules and they can't adjust because it's not the construction
of the lineup. Here's TIBs after.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
We know we're not going to be able to shoot
the ball like that every night. So when we're not,
we got to be able to win with our defense
and are rebounding our hustle and we're shorthanded to start
with him. Maybe this might be a byproduct of being
shorthanded all year. Like, we know that this is our way.
Our way is to play really hard all the time
and to play together, and if we do that, we'll
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have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This series is all about fight, determination, focus, and hustle
and toughness. Check check check check check check check nixt
winning all of those. Okay, so Yokic Nikola Yokich won
his third MVP in four years. And I don't think
NBA players and former NBA players are rooting for this
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shack last night on TV. This is not who he
wanted to win.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me first. I thought the SGA should have
been the MVP. That's no disrespect to you, but congratulations
thank you. Shame. We don't trust people here, you know,
So that's fine.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Jokic is the best player in the world, not having
a great series, best player in the world, but aesthetically, uh,
it's not a very pretty game. And aesthetics have always
mattered in the NBA, starting with Doctor j On. They
can sometimes fool us, but in this sport they matter.
I mean, as a kid, you know, I grew up
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as a kid. Most kids are not sitting around mimicking
and copying Jokic's game near the basket. They're doing that
with ant or mj or Kobe, and that matters in
the NBA. So two things we know are true. Europeans
are taking over the league. Most don't want to be
faced of the league, and ant and Tatum as domestic players,
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may be the only roadblock to that in the next decade.
Ant is what a face of the league. Sort of
plays like vertical trash talk in your face, let me
guard the best guy. A lot of his points are
absolutely it's like old school NBA eighties nineties. A lot
of his points are spectacular and physical and dunking on you.
And that is the history of the NBA. But even
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in the NFL, aesthetics play a huge role. I'll give
an example. The entire time Brady was dominating the league
death by a thousand cups precision detail. All I heard,
it's Belichick game manager. Anybody could do this. Aaron Rodgers
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won a single Super Bowl. Brady had a collection. But
the minute Aaron Rodgers, who's got more style and flash,
won a single super Bowl, you started hearing goat talk.
What he got one? The minute Mahomes won his second
Super Bowl, also a player with lots of style, goat talk.
(08:12):
I don't know Tom's got like seven. And it wasn't
until Tom Brady. Remember this, he wins the Atlanta super Bowl, Right,
he gets the Atlanta super Bowl, that super Bowl down
there is fifth. Then he surpasses Montana and then and
only then with his fifth.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We said, all right, okay, he's the goat.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Aaron Rodgers got that chatter, like substantial chatter after one,
Mahomes after two. So even in the NFL, style matters,
And I mean Michael Vick got on the cover of
Madden didn't have a long history of sustained playoff success.
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So Jokic doesn't have that style. Style matters, and in
the NBA, of all the leagues, it probably matters more
than any other league. And I do think current players
and former players don't love Jokic kind of taking over
the league and the awards. I mean, he is the
most valuable player in the league. Now we've seen Aunt explode.
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I think next year Wemby will be on a very
very short list of players to do that. For a
couple of years it was Jannis. Now he gets banged
up more often. But I think what Shaq said wasn't
just numbers, it was sort of what the league is
rooting for. Because if you go back and look at
when this league has been its most popular and discussed,
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you know, it's like Michael j Magic Bird. And as
the league's got more international, it's not necessarily helped the
domestic ratings. Now the league's always going to make money.
But I do think Jokic winning this. I mean the
MBD MVP last year felt like an anti Jokic vote
as much as it did appro OLMB'D vote. I mean,
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m Beat's not nearly as valuable as Yolkic is a player.
He doesn't have that kind of distribution talent he's you know,
Jokic plays more often, he's more readily available, he elevates
other players due to his brilliant passing, his ability to
hit three point shots. Jokic is more valuable than m Beat.
Everybody knew it, and they still gave it to m Beat.
It was a better story and it felt more true
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to what NBA players and former players want the league
to be, not what the league now is very European
and Jokic being the best player j Mac last night
is one of those you know, it's so they osay
styles make fights, and I'm watching that game and I'm thinking,
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as Jalen Brunson leaves the floor in the first half,
and I'm thinking, no Randall, no Robinson, no Brunson. OG's
not one hundred percent, And I'm like, if you can't.
Then the third quarter starts and it's all Nicks and
You're like, Okay, you're trying to pretend you want to
get physical, but it's just not Indiana. It's just not
who you are, has nothing to do with markets.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Well, there's one guy in Indiana who was physical, TJ McConnell,
and then Rick Carlisle took him off the court. For
the final seven minutes and the Pacers stopped being physical
with Brunson, I mean Collinson. You know, I love the NBA,
I love NFL. I gotta say I was thrilled last
night that the game ended early so I could.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Get to bet at a reasonable hour.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, because these double headers every night in the NBA,
they're taxing NFL.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We talk about it.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's like Thursday night football, Sunday night football, Monday night.
You get to rest the other nights of the week. Yeah,
NBA there's double headers. You go to bed like ten eleven.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
O'clock at I know, tried being out east.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah, thank goodness, I moved out.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Here, tried being out east. All right, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Today, Julian Edelman will stop by our show that he
was at that roast, among other things.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates none of the bulls. So I do appreciate
Lebron James and JJ Reddick responding to me. Some would
say lashing out, but I would just say, responding, uh,
because I talked about a very very serious issue in
America that I see now exploding. I do not like
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it at all. It is important people wearing their hat backwards.
We got into this very serious topic yesterday on the show.
Don't love the backward hat for JJ Reddicks.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
It's going to open with that.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Reddick's got an interesting look, collared shirt, backwards hat. Didn't
at it up arm I didn't hear a word, Lebron said.
I couldn't stop staring at the hat. JJ Reddick's going
for NBA head coaching jobs. He looks like a guy
who's going to move my couch.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Didn't like it. I would tell JJ to his face.
I'm like, dude, you're going to be an executive in
this league. You're going to be a high level executive
or coach tro whatever. You guys can go ahead and
push back on that stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
My opinion, my show, our show, and I can't do
I can't just I don't like that look at all.
You are going to be an NBA co He's one
of the most cerebral guys in the world talking basketball. Literally,
he's so layered beyond he's like a great He's Christopher
Nolan in Hollywood. He is directing at a different level.
JJ Reddick is talking back to all at a different level.
And look at this guy. I mean, listen, folks, we
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can't just keep lowering our standards or pretty soon hat
on backwards becomes flip flops and board shorts to work.
If I have to be the mean guy that starts
the national dialogue on I don't know standard, so be it.
We can't trust our politicians. Have you seen the three
people running for president?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yikes?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I won't be part of that. As America's honesty broker,
sometimes I talk about stuff you don't want to hear.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
But need to hear.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And I'm sad to say I'm getting a lot of
pushback on this as Lebron and JJ Riddick lashed out
at me.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Okay, I'll take it. That's fine, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Standards are still If not me, then who raises this
serious issue. Somebody's got to I've started a national dialogue.
We'll go back and forth on this. God bless me
and God bless America. Nick Wright understood the seriousness of it.
Speaker 11 (14:18):
Even if people vehemently disagree with you on the specifics
of backwards hat for forwards hat. I don't really give
it that JJ Reddick was wearing a backwards hat at all.
I would not hire JJ Reddick right now to be
the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers that he
responded to the clip.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Now, I do not feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Steve Kerr, one of the smartest people I've ever covered
and one of the smartest people in league history, went
from a very very funny, sardonic, witty broadcaster an hour
later he was a general manager. But JJ Reddick's got
a great future. I am to turn your life around,
you have to first turn your hat around. And that's
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all I'm going to say about that.
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Speaker 1 (15:40):
Julian Edelman now is joining us live. I so I
didn't know this before, but I just discovered this in
the preamble before we went on the air. So you
did the roast. Yeah, and that's a big crowd. It
wasn't tiny.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
How big?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Tell the audience how big it was.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
It was a fifteen thousand at the Forum.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, so down the road the Forum, that's where the
you know, that was a showtimekers. So you did something
to prepare, which takes a lot of courage.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
And this is so Julian.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Edelman, this in such a patriot way. Tell the audience
what you did to prepare.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Well, I found out I was doing the show probably
two and a half weeks before the show, and you know,
all the athletes were pretty nervous, just because you're gonna
get on stage, you're gonna talk with in front of
a whole lot of people, and you're also talking with
professionals or going against professionals. These guys do this for
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a living in the comics. So I was getting super nervous.
Jeff Ross was we were doing our like our brainstorm
meetings where his team was there, my team was together.
We'd get on a zoom link and we'd go over jokes.
We go, we went over what we wanted to hit.
They had some things for us, and you know, it
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was getting overwhelming. So Jeff could kind of feel that
for me, and he goes, Hey, I'm gonna do the
Comedy Store next Thursday. Why don't you come on and
I'll have you on the back set, a back part
of my set. And I said, awesome, let's do it.
So the fact that you said awesome, I treated it
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like a game. I needed walk through reps. I needed
a preseason game, and then I wanted to go hit
the game, you know what I mean. So the walkthrough
reps was with my team where I would perform in
front of them and I would do our jokes in
front of them, like we were in full roast mode
for two weeks. Everyone we all hated each other by
the end of it because everyone's making a joke about
each other just to kind of get the jokes going.
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And it was very nerve wracking going to the Comedy
Store on a Thursday, because I did about twelve minutes there.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Whoa and that's a lot of material.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It was because you wanted to go fat so you
could see reactions. And it was good to get that
rep because you know some part of your jokes. When
you're setting a joke up, people start laughing or start
or start talking about it, or you get paused up.
So it was good to feel that so then you
could deliver the end of the joke. So, you know,
(18:09):
I go there and it was nerve wracking because it's
very intimate at the Comedy Store. Yeah, I mean there's
like six five four hundred people. Three hundred people were
in one of the bigger rooms and everyone's right up
on you. Thankfully, we had a group of like twenty
five year old frat bros that knew everything about sports.
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So my material was flying. I was good. I was good,
But it was a good rep to have, and after that,
going into the roast, you know, I felt a lot
more confident for the show, just because I could feel
the beats of when I was going up there, Like
I one of the jokes, you're you're performing something and
I said you barrels chested sob for Bill and people
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started laughing. But that was the first part of my joke,
So then I knew going into the roast that people
are probably gonna laugh at that. I got to take
a beat, then I get back to my joke and
then deliver. So it was it was. It was a
fun experience, nerve wracking.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
When you did twelve minutes, did you have a paper
next to you?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I had cards, So yeah, you did. I had. I
had all my cards on jokes. And by the end,
I mean, I knew my jokes, but I was shaking
at the comedy store. I mean, you know, I'm not
a comic by any means.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I think comics probably from time to time get nervous
on sets.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, and when I got to the roast the day before,
you know, it was kind of like get into a
game early. You get to see where the shot, you know,
the playclock is. You can get to see the field,
and you saw where everyone was sitting, so you could
dictate your jokes to the certain people saw mister Kraft,
I saw it s Guerrero, so I could see where
they were going to be in the crowd, so I
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could go to them. And it was, Uh. I treated
it like a football game.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So when you were in uh, you know the cocktail
room or the the the green room. They call it
our industry before you go out. We have it here
we called the Avocado room. It's California, of course. In
the green room when you guys are all there before
you go out intents.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Now you have a lot of legends. Yeah, in one room,
and all the athletes were with the athletes, you know,
and so you could see guys were nervous, but they
didn't want to show their nervousness. So guys would, you know,
go to the bathroom kind of run their lines by themselves.
No one wanted to do it because you didn't want
to have your material in front of other people. But
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it was definitely guys were definitely nervous. But it was
honestly very fun to catch up with a lot of guys,
I mean our green room, we had Randy Gronk, Bill,
me Bledsoe, and we were just like, it was so
fun to hear the old war stories. Bill opened up,
he was telling we were talking about rookie skits and
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stuff because we were in skit mode with the whole roast,
and it was a fun was a fun experience.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
How much of it did Tom know was coming or
did he go there and just sit and listen. I
mean he had material too, but I mean I.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Kept reiterating to the to the writers, and I'm like,
is everything on limits here? Like are we good? Like
we could talk this, we could talk chat they go,
he said, everything's good, oh boy. And I was still
a little nerve nervous going in with my set with
certain things, just because family stuff. But then once the
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first five minutes of the roast happened and and Kevin
Hart dropped his opening lines, I was like, Oh, we're good,
We're good. He cleared the air, which that's a good teammate.
He did that to probably make us feel comfortable with
what we were going to say. And you could really
see the professionals, the Kevin Hart's, the Jeff Rosses, the
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Nicky Glazers, all of them, all the comics. You could
see why they were professionals because of with Kevin, like you,
I was watching teleprompter the whole time. I wanted to
see how people were going to deliver off teleprompters because
there are teleprompters everywhere, and you could see him and
with Kevin, he could pull something from what someone just
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said and it would be a completely different term or
whatever than what the teleprompter said, but he would be
able to get back into the prompter to keep the
show going. Like that's when you see professionals at work,
along with Jeff, along with Nikki. I mean, all these
these comics, that's why they're pros. They know how to entertain.
They knew how to pull things, bring things and listen
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and then deliver.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I thought Albert Breer said this that the roast was
a Patriots therapy session to get stuff out that you
probably kind of wanted to get out, but in a
funny way, so it wasn't as hurtful.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, fully, I mean I looked right at Bill when
I said my joke to him.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
And he loved it. That's the thing. He laughed hard
as that.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I didn't get a lot of TV time on that dynasty,
so he probably laughed at my job.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
He's like, you, no, but your joke was.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And I was talking to somebody who said Bill used
to say that all the time, all the basically week.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I can find a guy at Foxborough High that can
do this.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, well, Foxborough High is the only job opportunity you had,
Coach and I love saying it now, but it was
all of love and he was I thought he was
a great sport.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I thought Bill, you know what. I thought Bill won
the night.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
He did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Because Bill came in fair not Bill came in viewed
by the league as a little combative. Hey, I'm gonna
do things my way. And I watched that and I thought,
if I was an owner a GM, I'm like, Okay,
that's the Bill i've heard about, the happy, the fun Bill.
He's a serious man. But I thought after it, I'm like, okay,
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and he's been good on McAfee, and I'm like, Okay,
this is the Bill that I think is totally hirable.
He got you know, listen, I understand coaching, but Bill's
Bill's rap for about two years. At the end, there
was a clunky.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, time was ending over there. And you know that's
anytime you're in any area or with anyone or any opportunity,
any job for a long time, things get stale. I
thought it was a great night for him. I thought
it meant probably a lot for Brady to see him there.
You know, the the tension with the shot with him
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and mister Krag, great TV.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But it's not that one. Here's the thing, Julian, in
my opinion, that one's never going to be close. But
I do think Tom and Bill and this was a
real ice breaker. I think they really do know how
much they meant for each other.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
They love each other, and I've always said that it
just sometimes it takes time, after a long time being
together to realize that. And uh, you know, I could
specifically remember when TV when to Tampa Bay and he
would say things like, you know, everything that's normal that
we're used to doing is not normal. So all the
(25:08):
stuff he used to complain about he wanted, isn't that interesting,
you know what I mean? And you know that they
definitely love each other. I feel, I mean, they could
be I could be completely wrong, but you know, we
needed both of them.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think what Bill provided for Tom was he never
had to win, mostly by shootouts, which even if you're
Mahomes is hard. And I think what Tom provided was
a fairly eagoless quarterback. There's not a lot of superstar
athletes in America that don't bring some crap to the table,
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and Tom really didn't. And so in the end, what
they provided to each other was very rare. Tom for
fifteen years, eighteen years never had a bad old line
or a crappy defense. That just doesn't happen in pro football.
You always have you know, you lose a free agent,
you lose a pass. Sure, and I think they both gaves.
I think both now look back at it and think
in the area. It's funny that you say the Tampa thing.
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It's just like a relationship. You leave it, the grass
is greener, and you're like, yeah, that ain't great. Kind
of miss that.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah, you know it's uh.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You didn't have that because you were a Patriot.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I never had that.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
But you've talked to guys.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I've talked to guys, and when guys leave, you know,
they they realize why it was a tough environment and
why we won when when they left, you know, And
it's hard to say that when with with Brady leaving
and going win in a super Bowl, but uh, you know,
I always explain it like this. Tom always had a
(26:42):
chip and we all knew Tom played better when he
was pissed off. You said that, yeah, and what did
Bill like to do this off Tom? And what did
Tom do get pissed off and play great football? Yeah, Like,
I don't know if it's super JEEDI mind tricks that
Bill played, because sometimes it was a lot, But I
(27:05):
think that's what he thought he had to do to
motivate Tom to get the best out of him. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
The other thing is you're obviously still close with guys,
and now you're the father and your life's changed and
there's different things of importance. But I don't know why
I always think about this. Whenever a football team is good,
I always think winning on the road is cooler because
to get on a plane and fly home for four
(27:32):
hours after a win on the road against a good team,
I'm like, that is guy time. That is even better
at locker room you go in media, is there you shower.
That's the part of your life that where I look
as a sportscaster, not the money. It's like to be
on those planes with Brady and Gronk and road wins.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Are those special to you.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
My favorite win of my career that wasn't Super Bowl
was the eighteen AFC Championship when we went to Kansas City,
like we didn't we had the stigma that we couldn't
win on the road. We've been hearing it for years.
We lost to Denver twice in the AFC Championship in Denver.
(28:17):
To go there play in a hostile environment against a young, sexy,
new generation team, we were kind of that old team
that was, you know, the old generation holding on and
to go out there and compete and everyone perform and
be a part of the contribution to going out there
when there's nothing like going home on that plane with
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the guys. Like you said, when you're at home, you
got twenty minutes and guys are out of there. You
gotta go get your family, You got the media there.
When you have a three hour flight, you're in there.
Guys are bumping music, guys are having fun. There could
be some cocktails on there that's aren't supposed to be
on there, but it's literally that's the most That's the
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number one thing you miss when when you leave the
game is that camaraderie of that away trip flight back home.
So I was right, you were right.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's what I think about Mark Sanchez when they beat
the Chargers. It was a foggy day in San Diego.
Remember that Sanchez went west, foggy and a good Charger team,
and I'm like, man, you've got five and a half
hours flying back. He's like, you have no idea that
is just great living. You cannot duplicate that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Julian Edelman, by the way, he has a podcast, Games
with Names. It's really good. They have a new episode
every Tuesday. One of my favorite people is on this week,
Drew Bledsoe. I love Drew, and I always think Drew's
had an interesting life. He was replaced by the greatest
player ever, and it minimizes how great Drew was who
had By the way, I thought, maybe the funniest joke
(29:53):
in the whole thing, Tom there's two things I have.
I was a number one pick and I'm celebrating my
twenty eighth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Thought that was a great line.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But Drew kind of gets beat up, not on purpose,
but because of Tom's greatness. And I love that you
guys all rally around him. I think he's a special guy.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Well, Drew's a pivotal part of one of those pillars
that help build this whole thing early on in the
Patriot Dynasty. He's always been a great sport about it.
And that's got to be a very tough situation because
he's a baller. I mean we threw the ball on
(30:31):
Sunday night when we did that podcast. That guy can
still sling it, like you could see why he was
He looks the partner number one draft pick he picks
up and Tom used to say it all the time.
He could pick up any ball fresh out the box
and he could just sling it, big hands. Just I mean,
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he's a great sport. He was a humble guy about
that whole situation. If you've watched and heard the story
of how he handled a young twenty five year old
or twenty three year old kid coming in and taking
his job after getting a huge contract, like he was
still a team guy. And that's the Patriot way, you know,
(31:14):
not doing what's best for you, but doing what's best
for the team. That was on the wall when we
walked in every day, mental toughness, doing what's best for
the team when it may not be the best for you.
And Drew's that he's in there.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, great seeing man, Great to see you too.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It is Drew Blatsoe out now Games with Names really
a smartly constructed and delivered podcast. I love whenever I
see your name on the list.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I'm in a good mood, buddy, than beg you
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh here we go to Thursday. Lots to discuss. As
always in LA, it's the hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Well, well, well, the Knicks were so
vulnerable last night. You got players missing.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Bigs out, Brunson, Labbilly, and I felt more than the
first game in the series. I felt clearly the Knicks
were better. Never never in the second half thought Indiana
could win. It went back and forth, and I kind
of liked Indiana, but it feels like almost now was
at Indiana's best punch.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I remember I said, Pacers money line, tell great about
it for much of the game, and goodness graces, can
the Pacers get a stop?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean this Nicks team, what a game?
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the playoffs unveil the posers and the frauds. The fakers,
that's the Pacers. I mean, what more could Indiana have
in their favor. Julius Randall, second leading scorer, has been
out the entire playoffs, and then it's announced Mitchell Robinson
out for the rest of the playoffs. Jalen Brunson played early,
(01:39):
then disappeared because he was hobbled, came back in the
second half. Oh g's not at one hundred percent. Everything
lined up for the Pacers, and we know the NBA
officials have been doing this for the entire playoffs. They're
letting players be physical. It's better basketball. And the Pacers
are a tempo team, a finesse team, get up and
(02:00):
down the floor team, and they can't adjust on the fly.
So it's like asking a finesse football team to go
into Baltimore and face the Ravens. That's why the Ravens
have like six blowouts this year at home. The Knicks
are shooting fifty five percent from the floor in the
playoffs because Indiana won't put a body on them. But
it's more than that New York's DNA. They're a physical
(02:24):
bunch of guys, and they're now being allowed to be
even more physical. The Pacers are a finesse team and
they're trying to fake it because now the league is
set as a whole, we're gonna let everybody play. So
you notice the teams that are flourishing in the playoffs,
they're the physical teams that the NBA is allowing to
(02:45):
be even more physical. It plays right into their style.
The Celtics, the Knicks, the t Wolves, Okac but Rick Carlisle, No, no, no, no,
he's blaming market size.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
We deserve of a fair shot, you know, And and
it's just it's just not it's just there's not there's
not a consistent balance their their physicality is rewarded and
ours is penalized. Just you know, time after time, small
market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they deserve
(03:21):
a fair shot, no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That sounds like a fan Oklahoma City flourishing, Minnesota flourishing, Spurs,
Dynasty Bucks with a title. Major markets like New York.
Previous to this year, for twenty years, Atlanta, DC, Chicago,
Detroit had been in the toilet forever. Both LA teams
are out the Bay Area teams out. Give me a break, Philadelphia,
(03:49):
big market can't get past the second round. This is
the first time New York's been relevant forever. Go look
at the last four minutes of the game. Go look
at the rebounds. Knicks have nine, pacers have three. So
the Indiana issue is that their construction is built for
(04:10):
speed and tempo, and New York's construction before the season
started was built for toughness. And even when the Knicks
lose a tough guy Randall or a tough guy Mitchell
Robinson and brunts in another tough guys hobbled, their DNA
is still built for these playoffs, as is OKC and
(04:31):
Minnesota and Boston. I mean this last night, it was
served up for you. Bruns an n og are hobbling around.
Isn't about market size. You're getting bullied, especially in the
fourth quarter, where the Knicks have been a good clutch
time team this year. But watch these fourth quarters. This
is like a guy that's a finesse boxer trying to
(04:53):
be a bully, and it's like a bully hobbled but
still allowed to be a bully in the any opposer.
This is not what they are. The league tweaked the
rules and they can't adjust because it's not the construction
of the lineup. Here's TIBs after.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
We know we're not going to be able to shoot
the ball like that every night. So when we're not,
we got to be able to win with our defense
and are rebounding our hustle and we're shorthanded to start
with him. Maybe this might be a byproduct of being
shorthanded all year. Like, we know that this is our way.
Our way is to play really hard all the time
and to play together, and if we do that, we'll
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have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This series is all about fight, determination, focus, and hustle
and toughness. Check check check check check check check nixt
winning all of those. Okay, so Yokic Nikola Yokich won
his third MVP in four years. And I don't think
NBA players and former NBA players are rooting for this
(05:55):
shack last night on TV. This is not who he
wanted to win.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me first. I thought the SGA should have
been the MVP. That's no disrespect to you, but congratulations
thank you. Shame. We don't trust people here, you know,
So that's fine.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Jokic is the best player in the world, not having
a great series, best player in the world, but aesthetically, uh,
it's not a very pretty game. And aesthetics have always
mattered in the NBA, starting with Doctor j On. They
can sometimes fool us, but in this sport they matter.
I mean, as a kid, you know, I grew up
(06:41):
as a kid. Most kids are not sitting around mimicking
and copying Jokic's game near the basket. They're doing that
with ant or mj or Kobe, and that matters in
the NBA. So two things we know are true. Europeans
are taking over the league. Most don't want to be
faced of the league, and ant and Tatum as domestic players,
(07:03):
may be the only roadblock to that in the next decade.
Ant is what a face of the league. Sort of
plays like vertical trash talk in your face, let me
guard the best guy. A lot of his points are
absolutely it's like old school NBA eighties nineties. A lot
of his points are spectacular and physical and dunking on you.
And that is the history of the NBA. But even
(07:26):
in the NFL, aesthetics play a huge role. I'll give
an example. The entire time Brady was dominating the league
death by a thousand cups precision detail. All I heard,
it's Belichick game manager. Anybody could do this. Aaron Rodgers
(07:49):
won a single Super Bowl. Brady had a collection. But
the minute Aaron Rodgers, who's got more style and flash,
won a single super Bowl, you started hearing goat talk.
What he got one? The minute Mahomes won his second
Super Bowl, also a player with lots of style, goat talk.
(08:12):
I don't know Tom's got like seven. And it wasn't
until Tom Brady. Remember this, he wins the Atlanta super Bowl, Right,
he gets the Atlanta super Bowl, that super Bowl down
there is fifth. Then he surpasses Montana and then and
only then with his fifth.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We said, all right, okay, he's the goat.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Aaron Rodgers got that chatter, like substantial chatter after one,
Mahomes after two. So even in the NFL, style matters,
And I mean Michael Vick got on the cover of
Madden didn't have a long history of sustained playoff success.
(08:57):
So Jokic doesn't have that style. Style matters, and in
the NBA, of all the leagues, it probably matters more
than any other league. And I do think current players
and former players don't love Jokic kind of taking over
the league and the awards. I mean, he is the
most valuable player in the league. Now we've seen Aunt explode.
(09:19):
I think next year Wemby will be on a very
very short list of players to do that. For a
couple of years it was Jannis. Now he gets banged
up more often. But I think what Shaq said wasn't
just numbers, it was sort of what the league is
rooting for. Because if you go back and look at
when this league has been its most popular and discussed,
(09:41):
you know, it's like Michael j Magic Bird. And as
the league's got more international, it's not necessarily helped the
domestic ratings. Now the league's always going to make money.
But I do think Jokic winning this. I mean the
MBD MVP last year felt like an anti Jokic vote
as much as it did appro OLMB'D vote. I mean,
(10:02):
m Beat's not nearly as valuable as Yolkic is a player.
He doesn't have that kind of distribution talent he's you know,
Jokic plays more often, he's more readily available, he elevates
other players due to his brilliant passing, his ability to
hit three point shots. Jokic is more valuable than m Beat.
Everybody knew it, and they still gave it to m Beat.
It was a better story and it felt more true
(10:24):
to what NBA players and former players want the league
to be, not what the league now is very European
and Jokic being the best player j Mac last night
is one of those you know, it's so they osay
styles make fights, and I'm watching that game and I'm thinking,
(10:46):
as Jalen Brunson leaves the floor in the first half,
and I'm thinking, no Randall, no Robinson, no Brunson. OG's
not one hundred percent, And I'm like, if you can't.
Then the third quarter starts and it's all Nicks and
You're like, Okay, you're trying to pretend you want to
get physical, but it's just not Indiana. It's just not
who you are, has nothing to do with markets.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Well, there's one guy in Indiana who was physical, TJ McConnell,
and then Rick Carlisle took him off the court. For
the final seven minutes and the Pacers stopped being physical
with Brunson, I mean Collinson. You know, I love the NBA,
I love NFL. I gotta say I was thrilled last
night that the game ended early so I could.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Get to bet at a reasonable hour.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, because these double headers every night in the NBA,
they're taxing NFL.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We talk about it.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's like Thursday night football, Sunday night football, Monday night.
You get to rest the other nights of the week. Yeah,
NBA there's double headers. You go to bed like ten eleven.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
O'clock at I know, tried being out east.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah, thank goodness, I moved out.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Here, tried being out east. All right, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Today, Julian Edelman will stop by our show that he
was at that roast, among other things.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates none of the bulls. So I do appreciate
Lebron James and JJ Reddick responding to me. Some would
say lashing out, but I would just say, responding, uh,
because I talked about a very very serious issue in
America that I see now exploding. I do not like
(12:22):
it at all. It is important people wearing their hat backwards.
We got into this very serious topic yesterday on the show.
Don't love the backward hat for JJ Reddicks.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
It's going to open with that.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Reddick's got an interesting look, collared shirt, backwards hat. Didn't
at it up arm I didn't hear a word, Lebron said.
I couldn't stop staring at the hat. JJ Reddick's going
for NBA head coaching jobs. He looks like a guy
who's going to move my couch.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Didn't like it. I would tell JJ to his face.
I'm like, dude, you're going to be an executive in
this league. You're going to be a high level executive
or coach tro whatever. You guys can go ahead and
push back on that stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
My opinion, my show, our show, and I can't do
I can't just I don't like that look at all.
You are going to be an NBA co He's one
of the most cerebral guys in the world talking basketball. Literally,
he's so layered beyond he's like a great He's Christopher
Nolan in Hollywood. He is directing at a different level.
JJ Reddick is talking back to all at a different level.
And look at this guy. I mean, listen, folks, we
(13:21):
can't just keep lowering our standards or pretty soon hat
on backwards becomes flip flops and board shorts to work.
If I have to be the mean guy that starts
the national dialogue on I don't know standard, so be it.
We can't trust our politicians. Have you seen the three
people running for president?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yikes?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I won't be part of that. As America's honesty broker,
sometimes I talk about stuff you don't want to hear.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
But need to hear.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And I'm sad to say I'm getting a lot of
pushback on this as Lebron and JJ Riddick lashed out
at me.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Okay, I'll take it. That's fine, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Standards are still If not me, then who raises this
serious issue. Somebody's got to I've started a national dialogue.
We'll go back and forth on this. God bless me
and God bless America. Nick Wright understood the seriousness of it.
Speaker 11 (14:18):
Even if people vehemently disagree with you on the specifics
of backwards hat for forwards hat. I don't really give
it that JJ Reddick was wearing a backwards hat at all.
I would not hire JJ Reddick right now to be
the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers that he
responded to the clip.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Now, I do not feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Steve Kerr, one of the smartest people I've ever covered
and one of the smartest people in league history, went
from a very very funny, sardonic, witty broadcaster an hour
later he was a general manager. But JJ Reddick's got
a great future. I am to turn your life around,
you have to first turn your hat around. And that's
(15:03):
all I'm going to say about that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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Speaker 5 (15:12):
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Speaker 12 (15:15):
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I
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(15:38):
get your podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Julian Edelman now is joining us live. I so I
didn't know this before, but I just discovered this in
the preamble before we went on the air. So you
did the roast. Yeah, and that's a big crowd. It
wasn't tiny.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
How big?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Tell the audience how big it was.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
It was a fifteen thousand at the Forum.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, so down the road the Forum, that's where the
you know, that was a showtimekers. So you did something
to prepare, which takes a lot of courage.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
And this is so Julian.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Edelman, this in such a patriot way. Tell the audience
what you did to prepare.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Well, I found out I was doing the show probably
two and a half weeks before the show, and you know,
all the athletes were pretty nervous, just because you're gonna
get on stage, you're gonna talk with in front of
a whole lot of people, and you're also talking with
professionals or going against professionals. These guys do this for
(16:36):
a living in the comics. So I was getting super nervous.
Jeff Ross was we were doing our like our brainstorm
meetings where his team was there, my team was together.
We'd get on a zoom link and we'd go over jokes.
We go, we went over what we wanted to hit.
They had some things for us, and you know, it
(16:57):
was getting overwhelming. So Jeff could kind of feel that
for me, and he goes, Hey, I'm gonna do the
Comedy Store next Thursday. Why don't you come on and
I'll have you on the back set, a back part
of my set. And I said, awesome, let's do it.
So the fact that you said awesome, I treated it
(17:17):
like a game. I needed walk through reps. I needed
a preseason game, and then I wanted to go hit
the game, you know what I mean. So the walkthrough
reps was with my team where I would perform in
front of them and I would do our jokes in
front of them, like we were in full roast mode
for two weeks. Everyone we all hated each other by
the end of it because everyone's making a joke about
each other just to kind of get the jokes going.
(17:38):
And it was very nerve wracking going to the Comedy
Store on a Thursday, because I did about twelve minutes there.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Whoa and that's a lot of material.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It was because you wanted to go fat so you
could see reactions. And it was good to get that
rep because you know some part of your jokes. When
you're setting a joke up, people start laughing or start
or start talking about it, or you get paused up.
So it was good to feel that so then you
could deliver the end of the joke. So, you know,
(18:09):
I go there and it was nerve wracking because it's
very intimate at the Comedy Store. Yeah, I mean there's
like six five four hundred people. Three hundred people were
in one of the bigger rooms and everyone's right up
on you. Thankfully, we had a group of like twenty
five year old frat bros that knew everything about sports.
(18:29):
So my material was flying. I was good. I was good,
But it was a good rep to have, and after that,
going into the roast, you know, I felt a lot
more confident for the show, just because I could feel
the beats of when I was going up there, Like
I one of the jokes, you're you're performing something and
I said you barrels chested sob for Bill and people
(18:51):
started laughing. But that was the first part of my joke,
So then I knew going into the roast that people
are probably gonna laugh at that. I got to take
a beat, then I get back to my joke and
then deliver. So it was it was. It was a
fun experience, nerve wracking.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
When you did twelve minutes, did you have a paper
next to you?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I had cards, So yeah, you did. I had. I
had all my cards on jokes. And by the end,
I mean, I knew my jokes, but I was shaking
at the comedy store. I mean, you know, I'm not
a comic by any means.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I think comics probably from time to time get nervous
on sets.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, and when I got to the roast the day before,
you know, it was kind of like get into a
game early. You get to see where the shot, you know,
the playclock is. You can get to see the field,
and you saw where everyone was sitting, so you could
dictate your jokes to the certain people saw mister Kraft,
I saw it s Guerrero, so I could see where
they were going to be in the crowd, so I
(19:49):
could go to them. And it was, Uh. I treated
it like a football game.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So when you were in uh, you know the cocktail
room or the the the green room. They call it
our industry before you go out. We have it here
we called the Avocado room. It's California, of course. In
the green room when you guys are all there before
you go out intents.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Now you have a lot of legends. Yeah, in one room,
and all the athletes were with the athletes, you know,
and so you could see guys were nervous, but they
didn't want to show their nervousness. So guys would, you know,
go to the bathroom kind of run their lines by themselves.
No one wanted to do it because you didn't want
to have your material in front of other people. But
(20:34):
it was definitely guys were definitely nervous. But it was
honestly very fun to catch up with a lot of guys,
I mean our green room, we had Randy Gronk, Bill,
me Bledsoe, and we were just like, it was so
fun to hear the old war stories. Bill opened up,
he was telling we were talking about rookie skits and
(20:55):
stuff because we were in skit mode with the whole roast,
and it was a fun was a fun experience.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
How much of it did Tom know was coming or
did he go there and just sit and listen. I
mean he had material too, but I mean I.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Kept reiterating to the to the writers, and I'm like,
is everything on limits here? Like are we good? Like
we could talk this, we could talk chat they go,
he said, everything's good, oh boy. And I was still
a little nerve nervous going in with my set with
certain things, just because family stuff. But then once the
(21:30):
first five minutes of the roast happened and and Kevin
Hart dropped his opening lines, I was like, Oh, we're good,
We're good. He cleared the air, which that's a good teammate.
He did that to probably make us feel comfortable with
what we were going to say. And you could really
see the professionals, the Kevin Hart's, the Jeff Rosses, the
(21:51):
Nicky Glazers, all of them, all the comics. You could
see why they were professionals because of with Kevin, like you,
I was watching teleprompter the whole time. I wanted to
see how people were going to deliver off teleprompters because
there are teleprompters everywhere, and you could see him and
with Kevin, he could pull something from what someone just
(22:13):
said and it would be a completely different term or
whatever than what the teleprompter said, but he would be
able to get back into the prompter to keep the
show going. Like that's when you see professionals at work,
along with Jeff, along with Nikki. I mean, all these
these comics, that's why they're pros. They know how to entertain.
They knew how to pull things, bring things and listen
(22:35):
and then deliver.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I thought Albert Breer said this that the roast was
a Patriots therapy session to get stuff out that you
probably kind of wanted to get out, but in a
funny way, so it wasn't as hurtful.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, fully, I mean I looked right at Bill when
I said my joke to him.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
And he loved it. That's the thing. He laughed hard
as that.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I didn't get a lot of TV time on that dynasty,
so he probably laughed at my job.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
He's like, you, no, but your joke was.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And I was talking to somebody who said Bill used
to say that all the time, all the basically week.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I can find a guy at Foxborough High that can
do this.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, well, Foxborough High is the only job opportunity you had,
Coach and I love saying it now, but it was
all of love and he was I thought he was
a great sport.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I thought Bill, you know what. I thought Bill won
the night.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
He did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Because Bill came in fair not Bill came in viewed
by the league as a little combative. Hey, I'm gonna
do things my way. And I watched that and I thought,
if I was an owner a GM, I'm like, Okay,
that's the Bill i've heard about, the happy, the fun Bill.
He's a serious man. But I thought after it, I'm like, okay,
(23:52):
and he's been good on McAfee, and I'm like, Okay,
this is the Bill that I think is totally hirable.
He got you know, listen, I understand coaching, but Bill's
Bill's rap for about two years. At the end, there
was a clunky.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, time was ending over there. And you know that's
anytime you're in any area or with anyone or any opportunity,
any job for a long time, things get stale. I
thought it was a great night for him. I thought
it meant probably a lot for Brady to see him there.
You know, the the tension with the shot with him
(24:27):
and mister Krag, great TV.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But it's not that one. Here's the thing, Julian, in
my opinion, that one's never going to be close. But
I do think Tom and Bill and this was a
real ice breaker. I think they really do know how
much they meant for each other.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
They love each other, and I've always said that it
just sometimes it takes time, after a long time being
together to realize that. And uh, you know, I could
specifically remember when TV when to Tampa Bay and he
would say things like, you know, everything that's normal that
we're used to doing is not normal. So all the
(25:08):
stuff he used to complain about he wanted, isn't that interesting,
you know what I mean? And you know that they
definitely love each other. I feel, I mean, they could
be I could be completely wrong, but you know, we
needed both of them.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think what Bill provided for Tom was he never
had to win, mostly by shootouts, which even if you're
Mahomes is hard. And I think what Tom provided was
a fairly eagoless quarterback. There's not a lot of superstar
athletes in America that don't bring some crap to the table,
(25:44):
and Tom really didn't. And so in the end, what
they provided to each other was very rare. Tom for
fifteen years, eighteen years never had a bad old line
or a crappy defense. That just doesn't happen in pro football.
You always have you know, you lose a free agent,
you lose a pass. Sure, and I think they both gaves.
I think both now look back at it and think
in the area. It's funny that you say the Tampa thing.
(26:07):
It's just like a relationship. You leave it, the grass
is greener, and you're like, yeah, that ain't great. Kind
of miss that.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah, you know it's uh.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You didn't have that because you were a Patriot.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I never had that.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
But you've talked to guys.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I've talked to guys, and when guys leave, you know,
they they realize why it was a tough environment and
why we won when when they left, you know, And
it's hard to say that when with with Brady leaving
and going win in a super Bowl, but uh, you know,
I always explain it like this. Tom always had a
(26:42):
chip and we all knew Tom played better when he
was pissed off. You said that, yeah, and what did
Bill like to do this off Tom? And what did
Tom do get pissed off and play great football? Yeah, Like,
I don't know if it's super JEEDI mind tricks that
Bill played, because sometimes it was a lot, But I
(27:05):
think that's what he thought he had to do to
motivate Tom to get the best out of him. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
The other thing is you're obviously still close with guys,
and now you're the father and your life's changed and
there's different things of importance. But I don't know why
I always think about this. Whenever a football team is good,
I always think winning on the road is cooler because
to get on a plane and fly home for four
(27:32):
hours after a win on the road against a good team,
I'm like, that is guy time. That is even better
at locker room you go in media, is there you shower.
That's the part of your life that where I look
as a sportscaster, not the money. It's like to be
on those planes with Brady and Gronk and road wins.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Are those special to you.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
My favorite win of my career that wasn't Super Bowl
was the eighteen AFC Championship when we went to Kansas City,
like we didn't we had the stigma that we couldn't
win on the road. We've been hearing it for years.
We lost to Denver twice in the AFC Championship in Denver.
(28:17):
To go there play in a hostile environment against a young, sexy,
new generation team, we were kind of that old team
that was, you know, the old generation holding on and
to go out there and compete and everyone perform and
be a part of the contribution to going out there
when there's nothing like going home on that plane with
(28:39):
the guys. Like you said, when you're at home, you
got twenty minutes and guys are out of there. You
gotta go get your family, You got the media there.
When you have a three hour flight, you're in there.
Guys are bumping music, guys are having fun. There could
be some cocktails on there that's aren't supposed to be
on there, but it's literally that's the most That's the
(29:02):
number one thing you miss when when you leave the
game is that camaraderie of that away trip flight back home.
So I was right, you were right.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's what I think about Mark Sanchez when they beat
the Chargers. It was a foggy day in San Diego.
Remember that Sanchez went west, foggy and a good Charger team,
and I'm like, man, you've got five and a half
hours flying back. He's like, you have no idea that
is just great living. You cannot duplicate that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Julian Edelman, by the way, he has a podcast, Games
with Names. It's really good. They have a new episode
every Tuesday. One of my favorite people is on this week,
Drew Bledsoe. I love Drew, and I always think Drew's
had an interesting life. He was replaced by the greatest
player ever, and it minimizes how great Drew was who
had By the way, I thought, maybe the funniest joke
(29:53):
in the whole thing, Tom there's two things I have.
I was a number one pick and I'm celebrating my
twenty eighth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Thought that was a great line.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But Drew kind of gets beat up, not on purpose,
but because of Tom's greatness. And I love that you
guys all rally around him. I think he's a special guy.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Well, Drew's a pivotal part of one of those pillars
that help build this whole thing early on in the
Patriot Dynasty. He's always been a great sport about it.
And that's got to be a very tough situation because
he's a baller. I mean we threw the ball on
(30:31):
Sunday night when we did that podcast. That guy can
still sling it, like you could see why he was
He looks the partner number one draft pick he picks
up and Tom used to say it all the time.
He could pick up any ball fresh out the box
and he could just sling it, big hands. Just I mean,
(30:51):
he's a great sport. He was a humble guy about
that whole situation. If you've watched and heard the story
of how he handled a young twenty five year old
or twenty three year old kid coming in and taking
his job after getting a huge contract, like he was
still a team guy. And that's the Patriot way, you know,
(31:14):
not doing what's best for you, but doing what's best
for the team. That was on the wall when we
walked in every day, mental toughness, doing what's best for
the team when it may not be the best for you.
And Drew's that he's in there.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, great seeing man, Great to see you too.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It is Drew Blatsoe out now Games with Names really
a smartly constructed and delivered podcast. I love whenever I
see your name on the list.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I'm in a good mood, buddy, than beg you
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