May 15, 2024 • 41 mins
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Guest: Rachel Nichols
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's our two so exciting NFL schedule
release tonight. Jinny, It's the Hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Jmac. Tonight, I may open a cold one,
get a notepad. I will be in my zen. It
is almost, maybe not quite almost, like when you're nine
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years old opening presents. I kind of know what's in there.
I shook the box four or five times. I kind
of know I'm getting like a big wheel or a
little hot he set or something. When I was a kid,
I got four Apache that was the greatest President of
all time. Look it up, Google it. Okay, well I've
thought about buying it again. Just reminiscing you can get Christmas.
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You kind of know as a kid, because you shake
the presence. You kind of know what's in there, but
then you open it up and see it. I kind
of know what everybody's schedule is going to look like.
But tonight you get the order. Yeah, and order matters.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Order matters.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Some Jets fans are tagging me and allegedly the Jets
schedules out there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I just looked at it. I saw eleven, eleven and six.
Not a big deal, just at first glance. You know,
I just take a look. Looks looks good.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But I I love you know, order matters. When I
first met my wife Anne, she said this. I never
forget this. So you know, I was your typical guy
idiot and we were Uh. She has a saying set
the tone. So you just don't go take Anne out
for a pork chop. You don't think that that's the night.
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So you have to send a hey, thinking of you,
Maybe send flowers to work, maybe do something when you
show up. You set the tone. There's an order to success.
Tonight we find out the order of your schedule, and
order matters. You ever send a sweet text here, just during.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The commercial break, I'm gonna send a nice text to
the wife. I'll see what that does for me.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I'm not in the.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Doghouse or anything.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You do it not because there's something in it for you.
You do it because it's the thing to do. When
you love somebody, there's an order. And I love the NFL.
Not as much as Anne, but I love the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
My thing to do. I gotta do world during the
commercial break.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Haven't done it today, but I guess I gotta send
the text according to you know, Colinkel's.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
A sweet little text. Nothing in it for you.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That still doesn't register.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
We're terrible.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, one second here, I gotta say this. I haven't
said anything nice about the Washington football team in a decade,
but we talked about Tom Brady in the last second,
Tom saying it's not just playing football. There's a way
to be as a quarterback. How you congratulate, how you connect,
how you win, how you lose, how you talk to
the media. There's a way, which I've been preaching for
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thirty years. Cliff Kingsbury talking about Jaden Daniels. This kid's
gonna work, This kid's gonna work. Listen to how he
talks about again the NFL's crewel We ask twenty two
year old kids to be forty two year old mature.
I don't care about any other position. Quarterback, It's different.
Listen to Kingsbury talking about Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
He's intentional everything he does, which I like, you know,
that's what we had heard about him coming up, and
that's what he's been sinces been here, he's been focused,
intentional and got to work. So that's been been fun
to be around. He has a plan for studying, as
a plan for practice, as a plan for watching film,
like he knows what he wants to be and where
he wants to go, and to be that young and
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come in there with that mindset is really encouraging him.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
A plan, a grown up, an adult, an order, a
plan being prepared. Jade and Daniel's gonna work. By the way,
this league always has about fifteen percent of teams at
the bottom are kind of hopeless. Washington's been in that
group a lot this year. It kind of feels like
Carolina Vegas doesn't have a quarterback. Giants are in that group.
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Washington's not. This thing feels like it's gonna work. I'm
hearing everything I see in here about Jadeen Daniels would
give me absolute confidence. Hey, last year, the second quarterback
taken was the best quarterback. It's exciting because this team
has been the dregs of the NFL. That's just a
bad smell. A creepy owner got the owner, got a
new coach, got the quarterback, got new scouting department, and
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they got some players here. Washington's got some players. It's
not a tough division. Giants are a bit of a mess.
Dallas coach in the hot seat, Philadelphia making changes, loses
the greatest center maybe in twenty years. Just feel good
about it. We always feel good about Rachel Nichols coming
on the show, listening to our nonsense. As she You know,
(05:05):
I told you this before, and you're very humble, so
you're I'm just gonna tell you this. Every time you're
on the show. I go out amongst the peeps, and
I always get at least one or two people like
I love Rachel on your show. There you go. I
appreciate that you bring, you bring the information, and we
love that.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I appreciate that. I, by the way, was already a
fan of Ann's, but now I'm even more of a
fan of ANNs.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
After hearing that philosophy. So I'm just saying, set the.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Tone set the tone.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
I'm going to start using.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That set the tone be demanded.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Is that around my house?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Start today?
Speaker 8 (05:34):
Thank you, Anne.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I watched Joker last night and I had said
earlier I'm not talking just about great. But there have
been ten players in my life. I'm sixty now, ten
players in my life. I don't count Wilt because when
I saw me was old, had been he wasn't the same.
But there have been ten players, all multiple titles, didn't
just produce, didn't just dominate other players, but kind of
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like own the league for years. Giannis would be just outside.
But there's ten and it's a lot of predictable Kareem, Magic, Bird, Lebronz,
Steph Duncan a team, all this stuff. I'm watching last
night against the best defensive team in the league. Joker
is seeking out the defensive player of the year. Give
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me that's Tyson in his prime, that's MJ. When you
watch MJ say all right, Pistons, bring your best defense
and I'm gonna drop forty yep. Do we have to
say Joker now has gotten Is he graduated to that
all time stuff class?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Look at the number of players who've ever won three MVPs,
it is a short list, and it is great. He
is absolutely on the list of great all time players.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
He just is.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
And if you're not noticing that, then you're a hater
or you're not paying attention. He's won three of the
four last MVPs, and in a lot of those races
it hasn't been close. This one was not close. There
is nobody in my mind who touched and I love Shay.
He's an incredible player. Did something great the other night
and showed just how much touch he has with his team,
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knowing when to shoot, knowing when to lay off, knowing
when to pass. I think Luca is super exciting and
I think he will end up winning a title.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
But Jokic was better.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
I mean, he just clearly is a generational player. And
what he did to Rudy Gobert last night, I don't
know if Rudy stole his girlfriend in another life. I
don't know what was happening there, but he set the
tone on Rudy. To quote your wife, and I'm telling you,
you know, he has a little history with Rudy, as
many people around the NBA do. I don't know if
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your listeners have heard the Jamal Murray story, But Jamal
likes to tell a story of a game that they
were playing against Gobert, and you know, Gobert basically called
off a double team that you know, double team came
over to help Rudy on Jokic, and Gobert calls off
the double team and Yokic, who does not talk trash,
just looked over at Rudy and said, brother, I have
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forty seven and so you know, I think there's a
little bit there. And Jokich got the actual MVP award
in Denver last night pregame that wasn't shown on the
main broadcast, but I think he wanted to show and
what he can do, and we thought.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I think the difference between Charles Barkley was great, Dirk
Novitsky was great. But the all time greats are not
only productive, they have influence on others. Michael Jordan literally
made it a global league. Yep, Magic and Bird had
influence over the ratings and the resurrection of the league.
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I mean, Steph Curry has changed the way we look.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
At shots, physically changed the game.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Denver now is starting it may become a basketball It's
always been like, yeah, it's in the mountains, mellows like,
I'm not want to play here. But beyond great is influence.
And I mean when Draymond Green once told me, like,
I don't know how to defend him.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
By the way, Look, Rudo Gobert is not popular outside
of the city he plays in usually, and he doesn't
seem to be popular among other players in the league.
And I understand some of the outrage among fans being like,
he's not a four time Defensive Player of the Year,
He's not a Keeam, He's not Ben Wallace the two
other guys who have reached that height. You can only
vote for the people in front of you. Hakeem was
not on the ballot this year, and I got to
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say that when you look at what Rudy did, he
was the anchor of the number one defense in the league,
you look at some of the other candidates. I love
Victor Webinyama. I have been a huge proponent of him
on your show. He was not the player he was
at the end of the season season and look, but
this is my point is that if you look at
Victor Webenyama, if you look at bam Adebayo, if you
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look at Anthony Davis, who wasn't a finalist, but a
lot of people had them on him on the ballot.
Nikolay Okich has trashed all of them. He has made
mincemeat out of all of those players. He took ad
to school during some of these Lakers series. He took
Bam to school in the NBA Finals, right, I mean,
we have seen him make mincemeat out of every single guy,
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So no, I get it.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Rudy Gobert did not look like the defensive.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Player of the Year last year, but I don't think
anybody ever looks like the defensive player of the year
against Jokich.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So we all love the Next Story, and we all
love Jalen Brunson. Indiana is so bad defensively you could
be a casual watch it. The Knicks started four guards,
not even big guards, and dominated the boards. Like I think,
as much as we like the Next Story, and everybody's
(10:32):
been all in last night, it really hit me the
Knicks are missing half four of their top eight players
and are gonna get to the Eastern Conference finals. It
was bad before Damon Yannis got hurt. Some of this,
don't we have to pump the brakes and go. It's
in the East hasn't been good for years. It may
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have been atrocious this year.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
I would say this, I would say that Yannis got
hurt and Joelle Embe got hurt, and if right and
if next year.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
I'm not wishing, I'm wishing good health.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
On everybody, But if Jokic gets hurt and Anthony Edwards
gets hurt, it will be very different playoffs in the
West than it is this year. So I do think
you just kind of have to there's some bad luck
that happened in the East.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
That being said, yes, the quality, the quality.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
You know, one through five teams are in the West
right now and it's only getting more competitive. And we
talk about what are the Lakers going to do with
their head coaching job, What is this team going to do?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
What are the Suns going to do?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
If you remember they're playing in the West, and I
can get past those teams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We talked about this too, Rachel. If you look at
the three teams that have the most draft capital, it's
like Utah, Okay seats San Antonio, all Western teams. If
you look at the rising stars, it's Wemby and SGA.
If you look at the players in the Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards. So it's like it's not even there yet
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the last two dynasties. If Denver wins, Denver the Warriors.
So it is what it is. But I you mentioned
coach k is part of this to legitimize the JJ
Reddick hire, that they've made a decision and they want
to legitimize the choice.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
I don't think they've made a decision yet.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I think they're casting a very wide net. I don't
think it's a great look. Obviously, if they end up
with the right coach, it'll be fine and people will
forget these three weeks.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
But I look the Suns.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
I don't think they should have fired Frank Vogel, but
at least they knew what they were doing afterward. Twenty
four hours later, coach Bud was hired. The Lakers sort
of made it clear, we feel we have to get
rid of Darvin, but they didn't necessarily have a clear
plan of what they wanted to do afterward, and we've
seen that by the fact that they've just sort of
been waiting talking to a bunch of people. WE want
to talk to people we haven't talked to yet that
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kind of thing. I think they are still trying to
figure out how to get someone in that seat who
is going to both earn Lebron in AD's respect and
all so be a long term coach, because the Lakers'
biggest problem is that they have had six coaches in
thirteen years. And yes, they want a title in that span,
but it was under some very unusual circumstances, and I
(13:10):
would say that that is not, in general, the recipe
for a winning organization. Michael Malone has said many times
there were two different times I thought maybe I was
going to get fired, and dever management was like, nope,
we're sticking with you.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Eric Spolstra has talked about the fact he was like, oh, there.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Was a season or two where I thought maybe that
was it, and pat Riley has made it clear, nope,
you're our guy. And the Lakers just have not done
that for their coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, and it's a microwave.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
And look, I get it that Darvin lost Lebron and
Ad somewhere along the way. I mean, I was at
the game where Lebron's hopping up and down, and Anthony
Davis has said a couple of things toward the end
of the season. That made it clear you didn't have
as much respect for Darvin, But there was an opportunity
if management wanted to to say to its stars, hey,
we actually think this is the best guy available right now,
in part because he's got two years on the job
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and he can learn from that and keep more during
these relationships. Instead, they say, Okay, okay, you don't like him, great,
he's out. But that means now they've got to figure
out who else is in. JJ's never coached anywhere before.
You know, you've got a bunch of guys who would
be rookie head coaches that didn't work out so well
with the Bucks. You just have a lot of candidates
who no one is saying, oh my god, this is
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the guy.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
No one's screaming that, and I think they're still looking.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, years ago when I worked at the other place,
it was called the Hot Stove League. The Yankees Red
Sox because of capital advantages, mostly dominated it, but it
got a lot of talks stars moving. Yeah, and I
would say the NFL when they moved their free agency period,
and that combined with a lot of young general managers
who are risk takers, there's a lot of movement. So
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it used to be the baseball hot stove was the
big thing, and now the NFL is the big thing.
The NBA, because we love stars and stories, gets a
lot of discussion. Doesn't mean this is a weak draft.
So the free agency could be the thing that changes
the legal of it. Yeah, you know, Lakers will be looking,
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Nicks will be looking. What's interesting is there are teams
that have talent and stars that just need another one.
And in a year where it's a week draft, you're
not getting any help there. And remember front offices get fired,
so they're looking around and thinking how do I keep
my job too? Give me some sense, you know what
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you've watched in the playoffs, like a lot of these
teams like okay, so you're going to draft their way
to success. Presty's got a long runway, nixt though, Miami, Philadelphia,
Lakers big brands. Do you think it's going to be
a frenetic free agency period? What are you hearing with
your sources?
Speaker 8 (15:42):
It could be.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
I mean, Paul George is going to be a huge
question mark, right If he just decides to resign and
re up with the Clippers, then that will be a
big piece off the board, right Donovan Mitchell, there's a
big question of would he ask for a trade, would
they even give him one if he wanted to, He's
not going to be a free agent. If they did
grant him a trade, if he asked for it, which
he hasn't done, would they trade him to LA I
personally don't think that Dan Gilbert wants to do business
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supplying Lebron James with the guy that he thought was
going to be his franchise player and hand him to Lebron.
I don't think that wounds healed enough to do that.
So there's just a lot of ifs in this summer.
And if Paul George decides to go somewhere else, that
will absolutely.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Shake up and change the league.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
And if Donovan Mitchell requests the trade and go somewhere else,
that will have a shaking effect.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
On the league.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
But those guys could not go anywhere, and then you
could be talking about where's DeMar DeRozan going? And then
even Jamura de Rosen said yesterday, I want to stay
in Chicago. So there's a lot of potential, but there's
also potential for to be very quiet.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I've never had in my entire career, a great first
day on the job. I'm always a little nervous.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh no, I couldn't even get my hair right when
I came here, So I've had a lot of bad
first days.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
On the job.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Can we see a photo I'm not lasting.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It was your color of your hair. Actually, so Caitlyn.
Last night, I went to the internet because I watched it. Yeah,
and everybody's like, I made your disappointment. I'm like, she
has carried women's basketball in this country for four to
six weeks, and her second half I was like, oh,
that's Caitlin. Yeah, I was just like Wemby's the best
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prospect ever. Had five turnovers, fifteen points and he's.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Seven to four.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yeah, Look, she seemed she said it took her a
while to settle in. I'm sure she was a little
nervous because it matters to her because she cares, and
it was her first game, and we see that from
almost every rookie. She had ten turnovers, that's the most
WNBA rookie in her debut, but she also played a
ton of minutes, more than most rookies will play.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Is a huge ball handler on that team.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
What I saw from Kaitlyn Clark is that Diana Tarassi
was correct in the fact that she said the competition's
going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and it's going to
take Kitlin Clark longer to adjust. Diana Tarassi was also
correct in the fact the second half of Diana's quote
never gets reported anymore. She said, but I'm sure she'll
figure it out, And that is exactly what I feel
about Kaitlin Clark. She will absolutely figure it out out.
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And she's not playing on the best team. If they were,
they wouldn't have the number one pick, and they were
playing against the Sun that is expected to be a top.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Five team team.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
The thing to remember about the WNBA as we watch
Caitlyn Clark's journey through her rookie year is it is
a much smaller league than the NBA, so you only
have one hundred and forty four players. In fact, you
had a bunch of the rookies who were drafted in the.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
WNBA draft just back in April. They didn't even make
the team.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
They were cut from the team because it is so
hard to get minutes on a WNBA franchise.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Because there's so few spots.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
If you are the two hundredth best player in the NBA,
you're better than half the guys in the league. There's
four hundred and fifty something guys in the NBA. If
you're the two hundredth best women's player in this country,
you're not even in the league. You don't make it
because there's only one hundred and forty four spots. So
that is a level of competition that Caitlyn Clark is
up against. It will take her a little time to adjust,
and also she.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Will be fine.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it took her half to have to adjust. A
true story. I left my car running my first day
on the show. I was just reminded of that they
went down in the garage. It was running, not joking.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Did anybody walk away with it or dive away with it?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was it was I I don't even know why
I brought it up. It was just bad. But yeah,
as I'm watching her, I'm like, I'd be nervous as heck.
I mean and and and by the way, everybody's gunning
for yes, So it's like, I don't think the league
was necessarily gunning for Wemby. I think we were all fascinated.
I was like, I'm wanna watch Wemby play. I want
(19:25):
to watch Luca, this kid from Europe play Like she's
somehow weirdly polarizing. I'm like, she's gonna be good. Yeah.
Great to see you as always.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
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Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh, J Mack, we got so many things going on.
This show is cooking. Tonight is the NFL schedule release.
Very excited about it. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
No, no, hear on the news. This is the Herd
Line news.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
All right, let's do some NFL here. Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
We're working on a contractual obligation to get him in
every show because you love him so much. He's drawn
comparisons to Patrick Mahomes before he was even drafted by
the Bears. Travis Kelsey is the latest to make that comparison,
saying their college highlights have a lot in common. Here's
Kelsey on his New Heights podcast.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
I think Caleb goes in there and makes them a
better football team.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I really do.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
Man watching him play in college over the past couple
of years, both at Oklahoma and USC.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I thought he was an absolute stud.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Sure, similar to kind of how Patty Mahomes plays the game,
or at least played the game in college, where it
was a lot of feel, a lot of just trust
to throwing that thing downfield and let his guys go
make plays. And he has that game changer mentality where
at any moment, you know he can kill you with
your arm, and he can do some things with his
legs and run the ball that a lot of qbs can't,
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that can throw it that well. And I think Caleb
goes in there and makes them a better football team.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Man, So I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
What do you mean will you be even to know
that phrase?
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
What phrase?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Under promise, over deliver? You never want to overpromise and
then underdeliver. And now the hype for all this Caleb
Williams stuff. We got weapons, we won seven games last year,
we're gonna win ten.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
All it is is expectations, all that you're not gonna
be able to meet them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You bought into the Jets Aaron Rodgers hype that's been
totally different.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
This is a rookie man. He hasn't made a start
in the NFL. Remember Bryce Young, he was number one?
All the pressure on him, Oh, he's terrible. C J Stroud,
no pressure on him. Wasn't the first quarterback. They didn't
talk about J.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
He didn't talk about Bryce Young in transcendent tones. He
was the best of what we considered was kind of
a weak quarterback class. Caleb is easily the best and
what we consider to be an incredibly dynamic quarterback class
of five guys that could all make.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It true or false. Last year, you stood up here
and said Bryce Young, I see Drew Brees. That's what
everybody's saying.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, but I I didn't say Drew Brees is jack strapped.
I didn't say I see Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar.
I saw a small guy who, with the right coach,
would be hyper accurate and win a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yer, he's a whole Drew Brees a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm not denying that. But he's not like far Mahomes,
Alan Marino. El Wait, that's different cut of cloth. That's
different this this kid.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
You don't think the expectations are getting a little out.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Of control here what if they are, it's the NFL
expectations seventeen Sundays a year. Who cares that that don't
be the media that's always protecting Caitlin Clark or protecting
aunt great cuts through, You'll be just fine. This idea
what cuts through?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
They're not comparing him to great, they're comparing him to
the great.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, they're saying the standard in Chicago's actually low. They're
saying the Bears could make the playoff. That's what I hear,
the Bears could. Nobody's saying the Bears who go to
the super Bowl. The Bears could make the playoffs. I
don't think that's unrealistic. I don't know if they will.
Right now, I'd say no, but I think could.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think they could.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Oh, Okay, good luck to Killer Williams. Next up, let's
go to the Texans.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
They had a phenomenal season, won ten games, won the division,
won a playoff games, or they beat Joe Flacco. Now,
I mean, expectations are even bigger after a monster free agency,
including Stefan Diggs landing him in the trade of the Bills.
Following the moves, wide receiver Nico Collins said the offense
will be real dangerous. Adding the sky's the limit and
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the team can can't wait to show the world what
they can do. I mean their offensive weapons. Colin this
is probably a top seven wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I was ready to sell a little stock a little
I said, you know, sophomore slum, we're getting a little
h No. I think they're gonna win the division, and
again we kind of do. And also I think C. J.
Stroud's style, like Jared Goff, you won't get hurt. I
think Anthony Richardson is really special, but that style is
screaming injuries. At some point you already had one.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, let's let's let's go through this co position. Guys.
You got Diggs and Nico Collins.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Nico Collins had a great tank Dell in the S
three Dixon is their running actually for you since Dalton
Schulten Schultz great left tackle, great left tackle.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The rest of the offensive line with shaky.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Remember Stroud got that concussion against the Jets, had to
miss a couple of games, so offensive line is a
little shaky. The defense, they added a lot of dudes.
This is potentially dangerous team. I almost wonder if they're overvalued,
which is why I keep saying I'm Valua.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But again that like the Bears, I don't think they're overvalued.
I think they're over unders, like nine and a half.
I think that's a very fair place to put Houston.
I think if you asked Houston text, nobody thinks of
the Niners. I don't think people think they're quite as
complete as Baltimore or maybe the Lions roster. But I
think when the division win a playoff game, go toe
to toe, maybe lose to a Kansas city, that feels realesting.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Let's look at the division, right, the Colts are going
to be better with the healthy quarterback right year or
two with their head coach.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Right, the Titans are certainly going to be better.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I know they had a lot of change, but their
skill positions improved dramatically from last year, and they got
a new coach.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You had a wide receiving course. Actually, so like.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Dad the Jags, do we think the Jacks are gonna
have as bad of a second.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And a half. They have a Super Bowl winning coach
and a really talented quarterback. They'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
So that divisions, I feel like it's tougher than last year.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They got to play the first play schedule.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like does keep an eye on the Texas sed Colts
had a very interesting draft. I thought it was pretty
good draft. Yeah, Colts a really good draft.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Actually, I think Cults are the team to watch in
that division.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Final story is to the NBA the Knicks with a
nice physical win.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Physical watching it on FS one. Check this out. Devin
sheds over smiles Turner. Look at Devincenzo.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
He's just shot Jackets wants all the smoke. Right before this,
he had a thunderous rebound dunk.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, listen as a guy who I've never dunked a
basketball in a real game, his dunk back.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Was just like, oh that would be. Isn't even the
crowd just erupted.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Bencenzo, isn't he a d MV guy?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Maryland from there?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's kind of like he reminds me kind of like
Dad was a tough guy. He's a tough guy.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He's got a little swagging him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He's totally Villanova. Yeah, he's got a chip on his shoulder.
I don't know his background, but he.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Got into a mouse Turner.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I thought he threw an elbow at Turner and Turner
like is not really a faultier, But afterward Devincenzo took
it a step further, calling out the Pacers being fake
tough guys.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I want to hear that the tough guys, you know,
that's not there identity and there was nothing else of that,
and I just thought, you know, I don't agree with trying.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To, you know, walk up on somebody that you know
and it wasn't a fight, NBA.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
So take the final keep it moving, you're not a
tough guy.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Just keep it basically trying to be our identity.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
And you know, they were successful with the asking him
that we just three group watch the film, just understood
that that's not who we are.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You came out tonight and that's exactly who we are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He's right, He's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
By the way I looked it up. De Vincenzo, Yes,
he's from Delaware.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They want that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's our Villanova recruited the d MB area. Yeah, yeah,
that was her. That was our thing.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't like having to go on the road after
calling out some guys as fake tough guys.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Knicks are going to wrap this series.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I totally disagree. I think Pacers get Game six.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, home courts mattered in this series.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Here's the thing. Game six is Friday night in Indy.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The turnaround for Game seven is I think it's Sunday afternoons,
so not even forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So if the Knicks don't wrap it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Up, I'm telling you right now, Indiana's got no shot
to win Game seven in New York.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No, I would agree with that, but less than forty
eight hours.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
If Josh, sorry not joshar if Hart and Villain de
Vincenzo and brunts and all play like forty five minutes
in game six and they lose, that turnaround is gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Colin Indiana is aluminum foil. They can wrap a baked
potato and that's about it that. There is no There's
no iron or steel. They are aluminum foil. They need
more game right up and throw it away.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Need more TJ.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
McConnell in their life less Andrew Nemart, Sorry, dude.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean there's only one side to root for here.
The Knicks may be limited, but they play there are
song I have no problem rooting for them. Indiana is
impossible to root for the team.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What's going on with Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This guy was almost going to be on the Olympics.
The third guy you sold me. You sold me on Tatum.
For years Luca and Halliburt.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, it was like Brunston on the Olympic team or Halliburton.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And then you know, like Halliburton's been amazing all year,
He's got this hamstring, and now he's like vanishing in
playoff games.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Like what's going I don't know, something's going on with him.
Maybe Colin. He's a tremendous basketball player. You know this.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You had him? I mean mid at the All Star Break.
He was a cross between Steph Hurry and Jason Kidd.
For you, you were going nuts and I'm like, not good
you got. I think you really do have to consider this.
You have to consider how bad the East is with
some of these performances. Jalen Brunson. There's a big difference.
(29:15):
It's one thing if you're a running back and you
run for eighteen hundred yards in the SEC or the
Big ten. There's another if you do it in the
ACC Like scoring forty four against Indiana is not Jordan
scoring forty against the Pistons, who are tackling you and
could use you know, hand checking forty points back then
against the Celtics or the thought that is a legitimate
(29:39):
for it forty against the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
So it's not Jalen Brunson is forty four is illegitimate?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Last night, I'm just saying, let's contextualize what it.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Is that's fair. If you want to do that, you
have how many.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Of his points were just wide open jumpers from twelve
feet Jordan didn't get those.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
By the way, while we're doing context and you're mentioning
Michael Jordan's what happened to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Michael Jordan last night? I have five or fifteen.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If Jason Tatum a five to fifteen night, you're shredding
him tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I haven't heard one word.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Show is like twenty two.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Okay, all right, so we can compare him to Jordan
one day and then he's a non factor in the
next in a big spot, as I always twenty two.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well like Jordan's people forget that Jordan in his prime.
Believe what the advantage to gray hair is? Actually, I
saw it live. Jordan had bad Spinals games. I watched
them against Utah. Stink I watched them against the Sonics
at home one game at a closeout game beat it
was Sonics. Of course, Jordan had bad games where he's
shot like thirty two times and shot like forty percent.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
We look at some of those Knix games when a brutal, knockdown,
dragout series.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He had some awful games.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, it'll never be shown at the other place
on Jordan's center shots foh as, we'll call it Jordan's Center,
just highlight reel of the greatness. I've always told you
the best thirty for thirty on the planet that nobody's
ever made is Jordan in the Washington years. I mean
I just saw they released like five new thirty for thirties.
(31:03):
None of them get me to a TV. They'll all
be fine. Jordan thirty for thirty the Wizard years. People
have no idea what circus that was.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Did that actually happen or was this a figment of
your master?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I watched two games with him, one of them in Portland.
He was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
If I ever he could be unbelievable for one game.
Here's the crazy thing that was year fifteen for him.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I don't know if I've ever told the story on
the air. I don't think I can tell it on Fox.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Too many bad words.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
No, maybe I'll tell it on the volume. I can't
tell it on Fox on a network corporate thing A
Jordan's story.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Is it abrasive? Did he curse you out?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
No? No, no, it's I'm not going to get into it.
It's not for air, it's for podcasts.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
By the way, has an athlete ever cursed you out?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, I've had people get mad at me. Tyleru called
me one time and I talked about Cleveland. I remember
where I was sitting. I loved it, though it was
so confrontational and made me love Tyler law Tyleru. He
yelled at me, and it was funny like that was
on the I like that. I would rather you come
up and you know, if you don't say something, I
don't see you.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Remember Steve Francis Stephen franchise and he yelu.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Oh what a major league. I shouldn't say that. He
was not a nice gentleman to me as a young reporter.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I was doing an interview on YAO Man and I
was gonna ask him questions and he was the biggest
jerk I've ever met in any locker rooever like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
A real his career torpedo too, Just of athletes I've
ever dealt with. Even if I'm critical, I don't mind
going Facebook. Yeah, I've only ever felt guilty once. That
was a JW. Marriott in La and I was calling
Andy Dalton the Beije water Pistol because everybody was like
red rifle and I'm like, not really, And then I
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ran into him and he's got red hair and he's nice,
and you know, he believes in God and all that stuff.
And I see him and I just felt terrible. I
was like, I'm a jerk. Why can't you say nice stuff?
He's a nice man. And I'm out here saying, you know,
but you know, water pistol and he's like the nicest
guy ever.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I like I felt.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
And he came over to me and I'm like, yeah,
I'm a schmuck. He believes in God and yeah, he's
one of those people that believe in God. Has red hair,
he's nice, he smiles, he comes over to you. I'm like,
I'm what am I Lucifer, I'm I'm horrible. JW. Marriot
I know exactly where I was. I was holding a
cup of Starbucks coffee. And I'm not intimidated because I
(33:24):
always think when I go on the air, if I
was sitting here talking about Katie, if he was there,
even Aaron Rodgers, he would he doesn't like me. I
know he doesn't like me, but I would tell him
what if I said it's inaccurate. But Andy Dalton, I
felt bad because he's so nice. If Aaron had red
hair and was not agnostic, I feel bad about Aaron. Ye,
there is something about you know, god fearing man. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
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Speaker 1 (33:49):
I felt like you want to be a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What's that You want to go to church Sunday?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Nope, I have two things. I don't go to RB's
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Speaker 4 (35:07):
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Speaker 1 (35:23):
Said this yesterday, sixteen teams to eight teams. If you
watch these games, there's NFL players, not a doubt, So
I really appreciate it. So Brady's at Fox now and
he's been practicing like NonStop upstairs. He comes into the building.
I never got to see him, but he's doing all
this work to get ready for the broadcast. So much
like his playing career, Tom is doing it the right way,
(35:47):
and there is a right way to be a quarterback.
I get so much pushback on whenever I'm like Will
Levis's gun show or Johnny Manziel's immaturity or Drew Locke
need to be cool day, But I'm right every time
that stuff. Cam Newton Ego, Kim was good. Never head
(36:09):
back to back winning seasons, thirty three, thirty four years old.
Careers over, well, it is over, and Cam was really talented.
So I do think there is a way, not with
other positions necessarily, but there's a way to act as
a head coach. There's a way to act as a quarterback.
And you're being viewed, you're being watched, you're paid like
the most important person because you are. And Tom Brady
(36:31):
talking on the Pivot podcast about the way to do things.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
When I watch quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
The first thing I watch is are does he endear
himself to his teammates?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
What are the things that he's saying.
Speaker 12 (36:46):
What are the things that he's doing to endear himself
to his teammates so that he.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Does feel like one of the guys.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
If he wants to separate himself from the rest of
the team, it's not going to go. You're not gonna
play twenty years, just not. But the only way that
I could get to where I wanted to get to
was to have the best teammates. And the only way
I could get the best teammates was if I was
the best teammate.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So you have.
Speaker 12 (37:07):
To talk the right way, hang the right way, celebrate
the right way, lose the right way. Now, if someone said, man,
you're an unbelievable teammate, you'd be like, thank you, because
they know you so intimately.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
You can't fool people.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
In the locker room. You can't both your way through
a football season. Maybe you can't for one year if
you're a good actor.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Why do people struggle so much with this truth? Young
men especially struggle so much. There is a way to
act if you want to be taken seriously. There's a
way to dress if you want to be taken seriously
for certain positions. High school principal, you probably don't want
to be at a kegger in a small town on
(37:52):
a Friday night. Stay home. You know, if you're a
college football coach, you probably don't want to be in
the betting pool like your buddies at the golf club.
Like there's a way to act, there's a way to
dress for certain positions. And I love that Brady comes
out and acknowledges like, you got to be a little
more humble because you're getting the most money, you're getting
(38:12):
the most attention. You got to be one of the guys.
He talked about a young quarterback.
Speaker 13 (38:17):
He likes when you look at some of these young
quarterbacks the way CJ. Straw was speaking, So he's like,
I have a question for you. What are some of
the guys you actually enjoy watching play because of the
way they approach the game.
Speaker 12 (38:32):
I mean, CJ is a good example, Like I really
appreciated where he came from and all the expectations that
he had and then what he's gone and put together
last year with a lot of humility.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Humility, a way to act. You're not being fake. It's like, no, listen,
you know how you like you'll say certain things around
your buddies a weekend in Vegas, you're not going to
say around your in laws. You're not fake. You're just
being a probe for it. For the room and the
temperature and the setting. That's not being fake. Right Like,
(39:05):
when you're sitting on a plane next to somebody, you
know you're gonna be a little extra gracious because you
know it's a plane. The young lady may be nervous,
maybe she has kids. You know, you ramp up the niceness.
It's okay. I don't know why young guys struggle with this,
Like you can go through life arguing this, but there
is a way to be as a quarterback. And it's
(39:27):
not a gun show. It's not a lot of ego.
It's not being the coolest guy. It's hey, I'm getting
paid the most, I'm getting the most praise, I'm getting
the most love. The owner pays the most attention to
me that maybe a little little humble spread the love
a little bit, act certain ways, be the butt of
an occasional joke, Go have a beer occasionally with the guys,
(39:50):
let them win an argument like there's a way to
do stuff. Jay Mack, I know as you were coming up,
you know this the rule of major media. You were young, sparky,
fighting your w there are certain contacts to make you've
understood this, but it is it is an argument. But
you were also pretty driven kid. So at twenty five,
you know, you had your fun days in New York,
(40:10):
but you grew up pretty fast because you had to,
because you own a company. And I do think there
is a way. I like that Brady's willing to go
out there and say, yeah, there's a way to do
this thing. This position has a way to play it.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
So I think a reason we get along is we're
very similar and like we'll look at something and you'll see, oh,
this is the path. You at a newspaper, you got
to start covering high schools. Then you get bumped up
to this after three years. Is that after five years
you get this. I was like, no, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
There is a route to success. There's generally a route.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
But I didn't want to take that route because that's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Right, and you don't have The route isn't always the
same for everybody. But I do think for quarterback. There
is you know, if you were a career politician, like
you know, Bill Clinton knew when he was nine years
old he wanted to be president. Barack Obama knew when
he was sixteen. There are ways, take one for the team.
(41:03):
You don't do certain actions. Nobody's perfect. You want to
get out of the house. But if you know, if
you're Mitt Romney, you know, like pretty early in your life,
I want to be a politician. I want to be
a governor of the state. You know, there's just certain areas,
certain things, certain people you should avoid.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Do you feel like the Internet's totally changed that game
and the trajectory and the way you can go.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
About I'm just I'm just very glad I didn't grow
up with it. With the internet, Yeah, I just it
probably would have eaten me out. I don't give a rip.
Now it's all termites and I'm the house. I don't care.
It's annoying, you know, I mean, I just don't care.
But I didn't grow up with it. I don't have
a phone. I mean, I drove yesterday. I drove to
go work out. It's amazing. Everybody in the parking lots,
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either walking or in their car staring at their phone. Yes,
it's weird. It's like you can't have you go to
a restaurant and it's like, you guys gonna talk. I
never take my phone inside arrest. I try not to
say may talk. You know, all right? Our three is
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's our two so exciting NFL schedule
release tonight. Jinny, It's the Hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Jmac. Tonight, I may open a cold one,
get a notepad. I will be in my zen. It
is almost, maybe not quite almost, like when you're nine
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years old opening presents. I kind of know what's in there.
I shook the box four or five times. I kind
of know I'm getting like a big wheel or a
little hot he set or something. When I was a kid,
I got four Apache that was the greatest President of
all time. Look it up, Google it. Okay, well I've
thought about buying it again. Just reminiscing you can get Christmas.
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You kind of know as a kid, because you shake
the presence. You kind of know what's in there, but
then you open it up and see it. I kind
of know what everybody's schedule is going to look like.
But tonight you get the order. Yeah, and order matters.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Order matters.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Some Jets fans are tagging me and allegedly the Jets
schedules out there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I just looked at it. I saw eleven, eleven and six.
Not a big deal, just at first glance. You know,
I just take a look. Looks looks good.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But I I love you know, order matters. When I
first met my wife Anne, she said this. I never
forget this. So you know, I was your typical guy
idiot and we were Uh. She has a saying set
the tone. So you just don't go take Anne out
for a pork chop. You don't think that that's the night.
(01:58):
So you have to send a hey, thinking of you,
Maybe send flowers to work, maybe do something when you
show up. You set the tone. There's an order to success.
Tonight we find out the order of your schedule, and
order matters. You ever send a sweet text here, just during.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The commercial break, I'm gonna send a nice text to
the wife. I'll see what that does for me.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I'm not in the.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Doghouse or anything.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You do it not because there's something in it for you.
You do it because it's the thing to do. When
you love somebody, there's an order. And I love the NFL.
Not as much as Anne, but I love the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
My thing to do. I gotta do world during the
commercial break.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Haven't done it today, but I guess I gotta send
the text according to you know, Colinkel's.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
A sweet little text. Nothing in it for you.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That still doesn't register.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
We're terrible.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, one second here, I gotta say this. I haven't
said anything nice about the Washington football team in a decade,
but we talked about Tom Brady in the last second,
Tom saying it's not just playing football. There's a way
to be as a quarterback. How you congratulate, how you connect,
how you win, how you lose, how you talk to
the media. There's a way, which I've been preaching for
(03:12):
thirty years. Cliff Kingsbury talking about Jaden Daniels. This kid's
gonna work, This kid's gonna work. Listen to how he
talks about again the NFL's crewel We ask twenty two
year old kids to be forty two year old mature.
I don't care about any other position. Quarterback, It's different.
Listen to Kingsbury talking about Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
He's intentional everything he does, which I like, you know,
that's what we had heard about him coming up, and
that's what he's been sinces been here, he's been focused,
intentional and got to work. So that's been been fun
to be around. He has a plan for studying, as
a plan for practice, as a plan for watching film,
like he knows what he wants to be and where
he wants to go, and to be that young and
(03:57):
come in there with that mindset is really encouraging him.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
A plan, a grown up, an adult, an order, a
plan being prepared. Jade and Daniel's gonna work. By the way,
this league always has about fifteen percent of teams at
the bottom are kind of hopeless. Washington's been in that
group a lot this year. It kind of feels like
Carolina Vegas doesn't have a quarterback. Giants are in that group.
(04:21):
Washington's not. This thing feels like it's gonna work. I'm
hearing everything I see in here about Jadeen Daniels would
give me absolute confidence. Hey, last year, the second quarterback
taken was the best quarterback. It's exciting because this team
has been the dregs of the NFL. That's just a
bad smell. A creepy owner got the owner, got a
new coach, got the quarterback, got new scouting department, and
(04:45):
they got some players here. Washington's got some players. It's
not a tough division. Giants are a bit of a mess.
Dallas coach in the hot seat, Philadelphia making changes, loses
the greatest center maybe in twenty years. Just feel good
about it. We always feel good about Rachel Nichols coming
on the show, listening to our nonsense. As she You know,
(05:05):
I told you this before, and you're very humble, so
you're I'm just gonna tell you this. Every time you're
on the show. I go out amongst the peeps, and
I always get at least one or two people like
I love Rachel on your show. There you go. I
appreciate that you bring, you bring the information, and we
love that.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I appreciate that. I, by the way, was already a
fan of Ann's, but now I'm even more of a
fan of ANNs.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
After hearing that philosophy. So I'm just saying, set the.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Tone set the tone.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
I'm going to start using.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That set the tone be demanded.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Is that around my house?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Start today?
Speaker 8 (05:34):
Thank you, Anne.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I watched Joker last night and I had said
earlier I'm not talking just about great. But there have
been ten players in my life. I'm sixty now, ten
players in my life. I don't count Wilt because when
I saw me was old, had been he wasn't the same.
But there have been ten players, all multiple titles, didn't
just produce, didn't just dominate other players, but kind of
(05:59):
like own the league for years. Giannis would be just outside.
But there's ten and it's a lot of predictable Kareem, Magic, Bird, Lebronz,
Steph Duncan a team, all this stuff. I'm watching last
night against the best defensive team in the league. Joker
is seeking out the defensive player of the year. Give
(06:20):
me that's Tyson in his prime, that's MJ. When you
watch MJ say all right, Pistons, bring your best defense
and I'm gonna drop forty yep. Do we have to
say Joker now has gotten Is he graduated to that
all time stuff class?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Look at the number of players who've ever won three MVPs,
it is a short list, and it is great. He
is absolutely on the list of great all time players.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
He just is.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
And if you're not noticing that, then you're a hater
or you're not paying attention. He's won three of the
four last MVPs, and in a lot of those races
it hasn't been close. This one was not close. There
is nobody in my mind who touched and I love Shay.
He's an incredible player. Did something great the other night
and showed just how much touch he has with his team,
(07:08):
knowing when to shoot, knowing when to lay off, knowing
when to pass. I think Luca is super exciting and
I think he will end up winning a title.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
But Jokic was better.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
I mean, he just clearly is a generational player. And
what he did to Rudy Gobert last night, I don't
know if Rudy stole his girlfriend in another life. I
don't know what was happening there, but he set the
tone on Rudy. To quote your wife, and I'm telling you,
you know, he has a little history with Rudy, as
many people around the NBA do. I don't know if
(07:39):
your listeners have heard the Jamal Murray story, But Jamal
likes to tell a story of a game that they
were playing against Gobert, and you know, Gobert basically called
off a double team that you know, double team came
over to help Rudy on Jokic, and Gobert calls off
the double team and Yokic, who does not talk trash,
just looked over at Rudy and said, brother, I have
(07:59):
forty seven and so you know, I think there's a
little bit there. And Jokich got the actual MVP award
in Denver last night pregame that wasn't shown on the
main broadcast, but I think he wanted to show and
what he can do, and we thought.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I think the difference between Charles Barkley was great, Dirk
Novitsky was great. But the all time greats are not
only productive, they have influence on others. Michael Jordan literally
made it a global league. Yep, Magic and Bird had
influence over the ratings and the resurrection of the league.
(08:35):
I mean, Steph Curry has changed the way we look.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
At shots, physically changed the game.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Denver now is starting it may become a basketball It's
always been like, yeah, it's in the mountains, mellows like,
I'm not want to play here. But beyond great is influence.
And I mean when Draymond Green once told me, like,
I don't know how to defend him.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
By the way, Look, Rudo Gobert is not popular outside
of the city he plays in usually, and he doesn't
seem to be popular among other players in the league.
And I understand some of the outrage among fans being like,
he's not a four time Defensive Player of the Year,
He's not a Keeam, He's not Ben Wallace the two
other guys who have reached that height. You can only
vote for the people in front of you. Hakeem was
not on the ballot this year, and I got to
(09:20):
say that when you look at what Rudy did, he
was the anchor of the number one defense in the league,
you look at some of the other candidates. I love
Victor Webinyama. I have been a huge proponent of him
on your show. He was not the player he was
at the end of the season season and look, but
this is my point is that if you look at
Victor Webenyama, if you look at bam Adebayo, if you
(09:42):
look at Anthony Davis, who wasn't a finalist, but a
lot of people had them on him on the ballot.
Nikolay Okich has trashed all of them. He has made
mincemeat out of all of those players. He took ad
to school during some of these Lakers series. He took
Bam to school in the NBA Finals, right, I mean,
we have seen him make mincemeat out of every single guy,
(10:03):
So no, I get it.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Rudy Gobert did not look like the defensive.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Player of the Year last year, but I don't think
anybody ever looks like the defensive player of the year
against Jokich.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So we all love the Next Story, and we all
love Jalen Brunson. Indiana is so bad defensively you could
be a casual watch it. The Knicks started four guards,
not even big guards, and dominated the boards. Like I think,
as much as we like the Next Story, and everybody's
(10:32):
been all in last night, it really hit me the
Knicks are missing half four of their top eight players
and are gonna get to the Eastern Conference finals. It
was bad before Damon Yannis got hurt. Some of this,
don't we have to pump the brakes and go. It's
in the East hasn't been good for years. It may
(10:53):
have been atrocious this year.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
I would say this, I would say that Yannis got
hurt and Joelle Embe got hurt, and if right and
if next year.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
I'm not wishing, I'm wishing good health.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
On everybody, But if Jokic gets hurt and Anthony Edwards
gets hurt, it will be very different playoffs in the
West than it is this year. So I do think
you just kind of have to there's some bad luck
that happened in the East.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
That being said, yes, the quality, the quality.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
You know, one through five teams are in the West
right now and it's only getting more competitive. And we
talk about what are the Lakers going to do with
their head coaching job, What is this team going to do?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
What are the Suns going to do?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
If you remember they're playing in the West, and I
can get past those teams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We talked about this too, Rachel. If you look at
the three teams that have the most draft capital, it's
like Utah, Okay seats San Antonio, all Western teams. If
you look at the rising stars, it's Wemby and SGA.
If you look at the players in the Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards. So it's like it's not even there yet
(11:56):
the last two dynasties. If Denver wins, Denver the Warriors.
So it is what it is. But I you mentioned
coach k is part of this to legitimize the JJ
Reddick hire, that they've made a decision and they want
to legitimize the choice.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
I don't think they've made a decision yet.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I think they're casting a very wide net. I don't
think it's a great look. Obviously, if they end up
with the right coach, it'll be fine and people will
forget these three weeks.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
But I look the Suns.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
I don't think they should have fired Frank Vogel, but
at least they knew what they were doing afterward. Twenty
four hours later, coach Bud was hired. The Lakers sort
of made it clear, we feel we have to get
rid of Darvin, but they didn't necessarily have a clear
plan of what they wanted to do afterward, and we've
seen that by the fact that they've just sort of
been waiting talking to a bunch of people. WE want
to talk to people we haven't talked to yet that
(12:50):
kind of thing. I think they are still trying to
figure out how to get someone in that seat who
is going to both earn Lebron in AD's respect and
all so be a long term coach, because the Lakers'
biggest problem is that they have had six coaches in
thirteen years. And yes, they want a title in that span,
but it was under some very unusual circumstances, and I
(13:10):
would say that that is not, in general, the recipe
for a winning organization. Michael Malone has said many times
there were two different times I thought maybe I was
going to get fired, and dever management was like, nope,
we're sticking with you.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Eric Spolstra has talked about the fact he was like, oh, there.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Was a season or two where I thought maybe that
was it, and pat Riley has made it clear, nope,
you're our guy. And the Lakers just have not done
that for their coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, and it's a microwave.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
And look, I get it that Darvin lost Lebron and
Ad somewhere along the way. I mean, I was at
the game where Lebron's hopping up and down, and Anthony
Davis has said a couple of things toward the end
of the season. That made it clear you didn't have
as much respect for Darvin, But there was an opportunity
if management wanted to to say to its stars, hey,
we actually think this is the best guy available right now,
in part because he's got two years on the job
(13:57):
and he can learn from that and keep more during
these relationships. Instead, they say, Okay, okay, you don't like him, great,
he's out. But that means now they've got to figure
out who else is in. JJ's never coached anywhere before.
You know, you've got a bunch of guys who would
be rookie head coaches that didn't work out so well
with the Bucks. You just have a lot of candidates
who no one is saying, oh my god, this is
(14:18):
the guy.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
No one's screaming that, and I think they're still looking.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, years ago when I worked at the other place,
it was called the Hot Stove League. The Yankees Red
Sox because of capital advantages, mostly dominated it, but it
got a lot of talks stars moving. Yeah, and I
would say the NFL when they moved their free agency period,
and that combined with a lot of young general managers
who are risk takers, there's a lot of movement. So
(14:44):
it used to be the baseball hot stove was the
big thing, and now the NFL is the big thing.
The NBA, because we love stars and stories, gets a
lot of discussion. Doesn't mean this is a weak draft.
So the free agency could be the thing that changes
the legal of it. Yeah, you know, Lakers will be looking,
(15:04):
Nicks will be looking. What's interesting is there are teams
that have talent and stars that just need another one.
And in a year where it's a week draft, you're
not getting any help there. And remember front offices get fired,
so they're looking around and thinking how do I keep
my job too? Give me some sense, you know what
(15:25):
you've watched in the playoffs, like a lot of these
teams like okay, so you're going to draft their way
to success. Presty's got a long runway, nixt though, Miami, Philadelphia,
Lakers big brands. Do you think it's going to be
a frenetic free agency period? What are you hearing with
your sources?
Speaker 8 (15:42):
It could be.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
I mean, Paul George is going to be a huge
question mark, right If he just decides to resign and
re up with the Clippers, then that will be a
big piece off the board, right Donovan Mitchell, there's a
big question of would he ask for a trade, would
they even give him one if he wanted to, He's
not going to be a free agent. If they did
grant him a trade, if he asked for it, which
he hasn't done, would they trade him to LA I
personally don't think that Dan Gilbert wants to do business
(16:05):
supplying Lebron James with the guy that he thought was
going to be his franchise player and hand him to Lebron.
I don't think that wounds healed enough to do that.
So there's just a lot of ifs in this summer.
And if Paul George decides to go somewhere else, that
will absolutely.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Shake up and change the league.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
And if Donovan Mitchell requests the trade and go somewhere else,
that will have a shaking effect.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
On the league.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
But those guys could not go anywhere, and then you
could be talking about where's DeMar DeRozan going? And then
even Jamura de Rosen said yesterday, I want to stay
in Chicago. So there's a lot of potential, but there's
also potential for to be very quiet.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I've never had in my entire career, a great first
day on the job. I'm always a little nervous.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh no, I couldn't even get my hair right when
I came here, So I've had a lot of bad
first days.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
On the job.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Can we see a photo I'm not lasting.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It was your color of your hair. Actually, so Caitlyn.
Last night, I went to the internet because I watched it. Yeah,
and everybody's like, I made your disappointment. I'm like, she
has carried women's basketball in this country for four to
six weeks, and her second half I was like, oh,
that's Caitlin. Yeah, I was just like Wemby's the best
(17:15):
prospect ever. Had five turnovers, fifteen points and he's.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Seven to four.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yeah, Look, she seemed she said it took her a
while to settle in. I'm sure she was a little
nervous because it matters to her because she cares, and
it was her first game, and we see that from
almost every rookie. She had ten turnovers, that's the most
WNBA rookie in her debut, but she also played a
ton of minutes, more than most rookies will play.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Is a huge ball handler on that team.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
What I saw from Kaitlyn Clark is that Diana Tarassi
was correct in the fact that she said the competition's
going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and it's going to
take Kitlin Clark longer to adjust. Diana Tarassi was also
correct in the fact the second half of Diana's quote
never gets reported anymore. She said, but I'm sure she'll
figure it out, And that is exactly what I feel
about Kaitlin Clark. She will absolutely figure it out out.
(18:00):
And she's not playing on the best team. If they were,
they wouldn't have the number one pick, and they were
playing against the Sun that is expected to be a top.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Five team team.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
The thing to remember about the WNBA as we watch
Caitlyn Clark's journey through her rookie year is it is
a much smaller league than the NBA, so you only
have one hundred and forty four players. In fact, you
had a bunch of the rookies who were drafted in the.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
WNBA draft just back in April. They didn't even make
the team.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
They were cut from the team because it is so
hard to get minutes on a WNBA franchise.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Because there's so few spots.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
If you are the two hundredth best player in the NBA,
you're better than half the guys in the league. There's
four hundred and fifty something guys in the NBA. If
you're the two hundredth best women's player in this country,
you're not even in the league. You don't make it
because there's only one hundred and forty four spots. So
that is a level of competition that Caitlyn Clark is
up against. It will take her a little time to adjust,
and also she.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Will be fine.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it took her half to have to adjust. A
true story. I left my car running my first day
on the show. I was just reminded of that they
went down in the garage. It was running, not joking.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Did anybody walk away with it or dive away with it?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was it was I I don't even know why
I brought it up. It was just bad. But yeah,
as I'm watching her, I'm like, I'd be nervous as heck.
I mean and and and by the way, everybody's gunning
for yes, So it's like, I don't think the league
was necessarily gunning for Wemby. I think we were all fascinated.
I was like, I'm wanna watch Wemby play. I want
(19:25):
to watch Luca, this kid from Europe play Like she's
somehow weirdly polarizing. I'm like, she's gonna be good. Yeah.
Great to see you as always.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
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Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh, J Mack, we got so many things going on.
This show is cooking. Tonight is the NFL schedule release.
Very excited about it. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
No, no, hear on the news. This is the Herd
Line news.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
All right, let's do some NFL here. Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
We're working on a contractual obligation to get him in
every show because you love him so much. He's drawn
comparisons to Patrick Mahomes before he was even drafted by
the Bears. Travis Kelsey is the latest to make that comparison,
saying their college highlights have a lot in common. Here's
Kelsey on his New Heights podcast.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
I think Caleb goes in there and makes them a
better football team.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I really do.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
Man watching him play in college over the past couple
of years, both at Oklahoma and USC.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I thought he was an absolute stud.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Sure, similar to kind of how Patty Mahomes plays the game,
or at least played the game in college, where it
was a lot of feel, a lot of just trust
to throwing that thing downfield and let his guys go
make plays. And he has that game changer mentality where
at any moment, you know he can kill you with
your arm, and he can do some things with his
legs and run the ball that a lot of qbs can't,
(20:54):
that can throw it that well. And I think Caleb
goes in there and makes them a better football team.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Man, So I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
What do you mean will you be even to know
that phrase?
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
What phrase?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Under promise, over deliver? You never want to overpromise and
then underdeliver. And now the hype for all this Caleb
Williams stuff. We got weapons, we won seven games last year,
we're gonna win ten.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
All it is is expectations, all that you're not gonna
be able to meet them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You bought into the Jets Aaron Rodgers hype that's been
totally different.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
This is a rookie man. He hasn't made a start
in the NFL. Remember Bryce Young, he was number one?
All the pressure on him, Oh, he's terrible. C J Stroud,
no pressure on him. Wasn't the first quarterback. They didn't
talk about J.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
He didn't talk about Bryce Young in transcendent tones. He
was the best of what we considered was kind of
a weak quarterback class. Caleb is easily the best and
what we consider to be an incredibly dynamic quarterback class
of five guys that could all make.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It true or false. Last year, you stood up here
and said Bryce Young, I see Drew Brees. That's what
everybody's saying.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, but I I didn't say Drew Brees is jack strapped.
I didn't say I see Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar.
I saw a small guy who, with the right coach,
would be hyper accurate and win a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yer, he's a whole Drew Brees a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm not denying that. But he's not like far Mahomes,
Alan Marino. El Wait, that's different cut of cloth. That's
different this this kid.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
You don't think the expectations are getting a little out.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Of control here what if they are, it's the NFL
expectations seventeen Sundays a year. Who cares that that don't
be the media that's always protecting Caitlin Clark or protecting
aunt great cuts through, You'll be just fine. This idea
what cuts through?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
They're not comparing him to great, they're comparing him to
the great.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, they're saying the standard in Chicago's actually low. They're
saying the Bears could make the playoff. That's what I hear,
the Bears could. Nobody's saying the Bears who go to
the super Bowl. The Bears could make the playoffs. I
don't think that's unrealistic. I don't know if they will.
Right now, I'd say no, but I think could.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think they could.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Oh, Okay, good luck to Killer Williams. Next up, let's
go to the Texans.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
They had a phenomenal season, won ten games, won the division,
won a playoff games, or they beat Joe Flacco. Now,
I mean, expectations are even bigger after a monster free agency,
including Stefan Diggs landing him in the trade of the Bills.
Following the moves, wide receiver Nico Collins said the offense
will be real dangerous. Adding the sky's the limit and
(23:40):
the team can can't wait to show the world what
they can do. I mean their offensive weapons. Colin this
is probably a top seven wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I was ready to sell a little stock a little
I said, you know, sophomore slum, we're getting a little
h No. I think they're gonna win the division, and
again we kind of do. And also I think C. J.
Stroud's style, like Jared Goff, you won't get hurt. I
think Anthony Richardson is really special, but that style is
screaming injuries. At some point you already had one.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, let's let's let's go through this co position. Guys.
You got Diggs and Nico Collins.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Nico Collins had a great tank Dell in the S
three Dixon is their running actually for you since Dalton
Schulten Schultz great left tackle, great left tackle.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The rest of the offensive line with shaky.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Remember Stroud got that concussion against the Jets, had to
miss a couple of games, so offensive line is a
little shaky. The defense, they added a lot of dudes.
This is potentially dangerous team. I almost wonder if they're overvalued,
which is why I keep saying I'm Valua.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But again that like the Bears, I don't think they're overvalued.
I think they're over unders, like nine and a half.
I think that's a very fair place to put Houston.
I think if you asked Houston text, nobody thinks of
the Niners. I don't think people think they're quite as
complete as Baltimore or maybe the Lions roster. But I
think when the division win a playoff game, go toe
to toe, maybe lose to a Kansas city, that feels realesting.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Let's look at the division, right, the Colts are going
to be better with the healthy quarterback right year or
two with their head coach.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Right, the Titans are certainly going to be better.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I know they had a lot of change, but their
skill positions improved dramatically from last year, and they got
a new coach.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You had a wide receiving course. Actually, so like.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Dad the Jags, do we think the Jacks are gonna
have as bad of a second.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And a half. They have a Super Bowl winning coach
and a really talented quarterback. They'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
So that divisions, I feel like it's tougher than last year.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They got to play the first play schedule.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like does keep an eye on the Texas sed Colts
had a very interesting draft. I thought it was pretty
good draft. Yeah, Colts a really good draft.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Actually, I think Cults are the team to watch in
that division.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Final story is to the NBA the Knicks with a
nice physical win.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Physical watching it on FS one. Check this out. Devin
sheds over smiles Turner. Look at Devincenzo.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
He's just shot Jackets wants all the smoke. Right before this,
he had a thunderous rebound dunk.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, listen as a guy who I've never dunked a
basketball in a real game, his dunk back.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Was just like, oh that would be. Isn't even the
crowd just erupted.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Bencenzo, isn't he a d MV guy?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Maryland from there?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's kind of like he reminds me kind of like
Dad was a tough guy. He's a tough guy.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He's got a little swagging him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He's totally Villanova. Yeah, he's got a chip on his shoulder.
I don't know his background, but he.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Got into a mouse Turner.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I thought he threw an elbow at Turner and Turner
like is not really a faultier, But afterward Devincenzo took
it a step further, calling out the Pacers being fake
tough guys.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I want to hear that the tough guys, you know,
that's not there identity and there was nothing else of that,
and I just thought, you know, I don't agree with trying.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To, you know, walk up on somebody that you know
and it wasn't a fight, NBA.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
So take the final keep it moving, you're not a
tough guy.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Just keep it basically trying to be our identity.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
And you know, they were successful with the asking him
that we just three group watch the film, just understood
that that's not who we are.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You came out tonight and that's exactly who we are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He's right, He's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
By the way I looked it up. De Vincenzo, Yes,
he's from Delaware.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They want that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's our Villanova recruited the d MB area. Yeah, yeah,
that was her. That was our thing.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't like having to go on the road after
calling out some guys as fake tough guys.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Knicks are going to wrap this series.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I totally disagree. I think Pacers get Game six.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, home courts mattered in this series.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Here's the thing. Game six is Friday night in Indy.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The turnaround for Game seven is I think it's Sunday afternoons,
so not even forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So if the Knicks don't wrap it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Up, I'm telling you right now, Indiana's got no shot
to win Game seven in New York.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No, I would agree with that, but less than forty
eight hours.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
If Josh, sorry not joshar if Hart and Villain de
Vincenzo and brunts and all play like forty five minutes
in game six and they lose, that turnaround is gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Colin Indiana is aluminum foil. They can wrap a baked
potato and that's about it that. There is no There's
no iron or steel. They are aluminum foil. They need
more game right up and throw it away.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Need more TJ.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
McConnell in their life less Andrew Nemart, Sorry, dude.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean there's only one side to root for here.
The Knicks may be limited, but they play there are
song I have no problem rooting for them. Indiana is
impossible to root for the team.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What's going on with Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This guy was almost going to be on the Olympics.
The third guy you sold me. You sold me on Tatum.
For years Luca and Halliburt.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, it was like Brunston on the Olympic team or Halliburton.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And then you know, like Halliburton's been amazing all year,
He's got this hamstring, and now he's like vanishing in
playoff games.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Like what's going I don't know, something's going on with him.
Maybe Colin. He's a tremendous basketball player. You know this.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You had him? I mean mid at the All Star Break.
He was a cross between Steph Hurry and Jason Kidd.
For you, you were going nuts and I'm like, not good
you got. I think you really do have to consider this.
You have to consider how bad the East is with
some of these performances. Jalen Brunson. There's a big difference.
(29:15):
It's one thing if you're a running back and you
run for eighteen hundred yards in the SEC or the
Big ten. There's another if you do it in the
ACC Like scoring forty four against Indiana is not Jordan
scoring forty against the Pistons, who are tackling you and
could use you know, hand checking forty points back then
against the Celtics or the thought that is a legitimate
(29:39):
for it forty against the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
So it's not Jalen Brunson is forty four is illegitimate?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Last night, I'm just saying, let's contextualize what it.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Is that's fair. If you want to do that, you
have how many.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Of his points were just wide open jumpers from twelve
feet Jordan didn't get those.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
By the way, while we're doing context and you're mentioning
Michael Jordan's what happened to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Michael Jordan last night? I have five or fifteen.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If Jason Tatum a five to fifteen night, you're shredding
him tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I haven't heard one word.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Show is like twenty two.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Okay, all right, so we can compare him to Jordan
one day and then he's a non factor in the
next in a big spot, as I always twenty two.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well like Jordan's people forget that Jordan in his prime.
Believe what the advantage to gray hair is? Actually, I
saw it live. Jordan had bad Spinals games. I watched
them against Utah. Stink I watched them against the Sonics
at home one game at a closeout game beat it
was Sonics. Of course, Jordan had bad games where he's
shot like thirty two times and shot like forty percent.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
We look at some of those Knix games when a brutal, knockdown,
dragout series.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He had some awful games.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, it'll never be shown at the other place
on Jordan's center shots foh as, we'll call it Jordan's Center,
just highlight reel of the greatness. I've always told you
the best thirty for thirty on the planet that nobody's
ever made is Jordan in the Washington years. I mean
I just saw they released like five new thirty for thirties.
(31:03):
None of them get me to a TV. They'll all
be fine. Jordan thirty for thirty the Wizard years. People
have no idea what circus that was.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Did that actually happen or was this a figment of
your master?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I watched two games with him, one of them in Portland.
He was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
If I ever he could be unbelievable for one game.
Here's the crazy thing that was year fifteen for him.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I don't know if I've ever told the story on
the air. I don't think I can tell it on Fox.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Too many bad words.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
No, maybe I'll tell it on the volume. I can't
tell it on Fox on a network corporate thing A
Jordan's story.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Is it abrasive? Did he curse you out?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
No? No, no, it's I'm not going to get into it.
It's not for air, it's for podcasts.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
By the way, has an athlete ever cursed you out?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, I've had people get mad at me. Tyleru called
me one time and I talked about Cleveland. I remember
where I was sitting. I loved it, though it was
so confrontational and made me love Tyler law Tyleru. He
yelled at me, and it was funny like that was
on the I like that. I would rather you come
up and you know, if you don't say something, I
don't see you.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Remember Steve Francis Stephen franchise and he yelu.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Oh what a major league. I shouldn't say that. He
was not a nice gentleman to me as a young reporter.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I was doing an interview on YAO Man and I
was gonna ask him questions and he was the biggest
jerk I've ever met in any locker rooever like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
A real his career torpedo too, Just of athletes I've
ever dealt with. Even if I'm critical, I don't mind
going Facebook. Yeah, I've only ever felt guilty once. That
was a JW. Marriott in La and I was calling
Andy Dalton the Beije water Pistol because everybody was like
red rifle and I'm like, not really, And then I
(32:47):
ran into him and he's got red hair and he's nice,
and you know, he believes in God and all that stuff.
And I see him and I just felt terrible. I
was like, I'm a jerk. Why can't you say nice stuff?
He's a nice man. And I'm out here saying, you know,
but you know, water pistol and he's like the nicest
guy ever.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I like I felt.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
And he came over to me and I'm like, yeah,
I'm a schmuck. He believes in God and yeah, he's
one of those people that believe in God. Has red hair,
he's nice, he smiles, he comes over to you. I'm like,
I'm what am I Lucifer, I'm I'm horrible. JW. Marriot
I know exactly where I was. I was holding a
cup of Starbucks coffee. And I'm not intimidated because I
(33:24):
always think when I go on the air, if I
was sitting here talking about Katie, if he was there,
even Aaron Rodgers, he would he doesn't like me. I
know he doesn't like me, but I would tell him
what if I said it's inaccurate. But Andy Dalton, I
felt bad because he's so nice. If Aaron had red
hair and was not agnostic, I feel bad about Aaron. Ye,
there is something about you know, god fearing man. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I felt like you want to be a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What's that You want to go to church Sunday?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Nope, I have two things. I don't go to RB's
in church. Never are j mack will News.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
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Speaker 1 (34:05):
True story. Never been there, not one time. Nothing against it.
But I want to keep my street going. And I've
been to church, you know, Easter, that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 4 (35:07):
The United Football League continues this weekend on Fox as
the push for the playoffs is underway. Saturday, the Memphis
show Boats take on the Michigan Fanthers. Then Sunday, the
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and the Fox Fourth Back.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Said this yesterday, sixteen teams to eight teams. If you
watch these games, there's NFL players, not a doubt, So
I really appreciate it. So Brady's at Fox now and
he's been practicing like NonStop upstairs. He comes into the building.
I never got to see him, but he's doing all
this work to get ready for the broadcast. So much
like his playing career, Tom is doing it the right way,
(35:47):
and there is a right way to be a quarterback.
I get so much pushback on whenever I'm like Will
Levis's gun show or Johnny Manziel's immaturity or Drew Locke
need to be cool day, But I'm right every time
that stuff. Cam Newton Ego, Kim was good. Never head
(36:09):
back to back winning seasons, thirty three, thirty four years old.
Careers over, well, it is over, and Cam was really talented.
So I do think there is a way, not with
other positions necessarily, but there's a way to act as
a head coach. There's a way to act as a quarterback.
And you're being viewed, you're being watched, you're paid like
the most important person because you are. And Tom Brady
(36:31):
talking on the Pivot podcast about the way to do things.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
When I watch quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
The first thing I watch is are does he endear
himself to his teammates?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
What are the things that he's saying.
Speaker 12 (36:46):
What are the things that he's doing to endear himself
to his teammates so that he.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Does feel like one of the guys.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
If he wants to separate himself from the rest of
the team, it's not going to go. You're not gonna
play twenty years, just not. But the only way that
I could get to where I wanted to get to
was to have the best teammates. And the only way
I could get the best teammates was if I was
the best teammate.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So you have.
Speaker 12 (37:07):
To talk the right way, hang the right way, celebrate
the right way, lose the right way. Now, if someone said, man,
you're an unbelievable teammate, you'd be like, thank you, because
they know you so intimately.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
You can't fool people.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
In the locker room. You can't both your way through
a football season. Maybe you can't for one year if
you're a good actor.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Why do people struggle so much with this truth? Young
men especially struggle so much. There is a way to
act if you want to be taken seriously. There's a
way to dress if you want to be taken seriously
for certain positions. High school principal, you probably don't want
to be at a kegger in a small town on
(37:52):
a Friday night. Stay home. You know, if you're a
college football coach, you probably don't want to be in
the betting pool like your buddies at the golf club.
Like there's a way to act, there's a way to
dress for certain positions. And I love that Brady comes
out and acknowledges like, you got to be a little
more humble because you're getting the most money, you're getting
(38:12):
the most attention. You got to be one of the guys.
He talked about a young quarterback.
Speaker 13 (38:17):
He likes when you look at some of these young
quarterbacks the way CJ. Straw was speaking, So he's like,
I have a question for you. What are some of
the guys you actually enjoy watching play because of the
way they approach the game.
Speaker 12 (38:32):
I mean, CJ is a good example, Like I really
appreciated where he came from and all the expectations that
he had and then what he's gone and put together
last year with a lot of humility.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Humility, a way to act. You're not being fake. It's like, no, listen,
you know how you like you'll say certain things around
your buddies a weekend in Vegas, you're not going to
say around your in laws. You're not fake. You're just
being a probe for it. For the room and the
temperature and the setting. That's not being fake. Right Like,
(39:05):
when you're sitting on a plane next to somebody, you
know you're gonna be a little extra gracious because you
know it's a plane. The young lady may be nervous,
maybe she has kids. You know, you ramp up the niceness.
It's okay. I don't know why young guys struggle with this,
Like you can go through life arguing this, but there
is a way to be as a quarterback. And it's
(39:27):
not a gun show. It's not a lot of ego.
It's not being the coolest guy. It's hey, I'm getting
paid the most, I'm getting the most praise, I'm getting
the most love. The owner pays the most attention to
me that maybe a little little humble spread the love
a little bit, act certain ways, be the butt of
an occasional joke, Go have a beer occasionally with the guys,
(39:50):
let them win an argument like there's a way to
do stuff. Jay Mack, I know as you were coming up,
you know this the rule of major media. You were young, sparky,
fighting your w there are certain contacts to make you've
understood this, but it is it is an argument. But
you were also pretty driven kid. So at twenty five,
you know, you had your fun days in New York,
(40:10):
but you grew up pretty fast because you had to,
because you own a company. And I do think there
is a way. I like that Brady's willing to go
out there and say, yeah, there's a way to do
this thing. This position has a way to play it.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
So I think a reason we get along is we're
very similar and like we'll look at something and you'll see, oh,
this is the path. You at a newspaper, you got
to start covering high schools. Then you get bumped up
to this after three years. Is that after five years
you get this. I was like, no, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
There is a route to success. There's generally a route.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
But I didn't want to take that route because that's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Right, and you don't have The route isn't always the
same for everybody. But I do think for quarterback. There
is you know, if you were a career politician, like
you know, Bill Clinton knew when he was nine years
old he wanted to be president. Barack Obama knew when
he was sixteen. There are ways, take one for the team.
(41:03):
You don't do certain actions. Nobody's perfect. You want to
get out of the house. But if you know, if
you're Mitt Romney, you know, like pretty early in your life,
I want to be a politician. I want to be
a governor of the state. You know, there's just certain areas,
certain things, certain people you should avoid.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Do you feel like the Internet's totally changed that game
and the trajectory and the way you can go.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
About I'm just I'm just very glad I didn't grow
up with it. With the internet, Yeah, I just it
probably would have eaten me out. I don't give a rip.
Now it's all termites and I'm the house. I don't care.
It's annoying, you know, I mean, I just don't care.
But I didn't grow up with it. I don't have
a phone. I mean, I drove yesterday. I drove to
go work out. It's amazing. Everybody in the parking lots,
(41:42):
either walking or in their car staring at their phone. Yes,
it's weird. It's like you can't have you go to
a restaurant and it's like, you guys gonna talk. I
never take my phone inside arrest. I try not to
say may talk. You know, all right? Our three is
coming up.
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