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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, hour three. It's a Friday, live in La.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Went out last night, not in the town, Big night
in the town. Jamac one cocktail. I stopped a third quarter.
I was just done watching the t wolfs nugs An.
I went out and had a little it's a French

(00:47):
dish chicken feta. Got home last night. Just felt like
an accomplished something.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So let me just get this right.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And you went to a restaurant and ordered.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
By myself and ordered chicken. You're sounding my wife. She
always says that I can make chicken at home.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Didn't do so why would you get chicken out at a.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Restaurant Because I like chicken. My wife's one of these
she'll order a tie dish and I'm like, I didn't
know you like spices. Well, I've never had it before.
And I'm like, I never go to a store and
say I'm gonna buy something which could look silly on me.
It's a little tight, but I've never worn it before.

(01:27):
I go get these awesome shoes I'm wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh boy, So have you seen a Chris Rock movie?
I think I love my wife.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
No. So he's like feuding with his wife because he's
going through a midlife crisis.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
And he goes, he has his rent in the kitchen chicken, chicken, chicken.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Every day, it's chicken. And then he says some expletives.
It's really funny. But I think guys when they go
to restaurants, they want like give me the fish, give.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Me a juicy steak, give me something.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I don't get it home.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Right, I like chicken I don't have. Yeah, I'm maybe
I'm boring. Yeah maybe yeah, maybe yeah right one cocktail
kind of boring. So interesting story. NBA rumor. That's what
it says here NBA Rumor, Cleveland dot Com. So this
is somebody that's around Donovan Mitchell all the time. When

(02:12):
you're around a team boots on the ground. You hear
stuff right all the time. So Donovan Mitchell star for Cleveland.
Quote grew frustrated by the Calves lack of maturity and focus.
Now Donovan Mitchell, Naho, that's not true. In case he
comes back, you know, he doesn't want to, you know,

(02:32):
be the cooler in the locker room. But this is
an interesting thing. Lebron's entire career, he didn't want to
play with young guys. I mean that Miami team, Battie
A Ray, Allen Haslam, d Wade, Mike Miller. Only player
he didn't like, young, immature Mario Chalmers. He goes to Cleveland.
I'll take Kevin Love not number one pick. Andrew Wiggins

(02:54):
goes to LA one year. Lonzo Ball, brandon Ingram see
you nah hard path get him out of here. College
football players, and the reason being, college football players often
come into the league married because it's a game with
regulated levels of violence. Careers last much shorter. Players get married,
they put away their money, they buy the house early.

(03:16):
They don't have those multiple revenue streams of basketball players,
and most go to college for four years. Many have
a degree. They're grown ups. The NBA draft is a
collection of kids who can't drink in the ritz Carlton
on the road. They're nineteen years old, kids that are
coddled in AAU, kids who are unless they're European, live

(03:39):
on their phones and are deeply bothered by mean things
said on Twitter about them. Adam Silver acknowledge that. So
even though the Knicks aren't that old, they feel old
because they've got the Villanova guys. You know, they all
play three four years at Villanova, and Jalen Brunson is
wise past his years. So the Knicks feel like an

(03:59):
old team. Maybe that's why we like them. They feel
a little bit collegiate. So as the NBA has sort
of put their nose in the air toward college basketball,
I think it's a fundamental mistake is that Lebron's got
no interest playing with young guys. Many of the great
veterans no interest planning with young guys. And whereas the
NFL draft gives you older players ready to play, the

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NBA draft is kids. The only exception are a nineteen
twenty year old European player, which is why nobody wants
to say it out loud, but general managers and coaches
increasingly prefer international players at sixteen seventeen, they're playing against
twenty twenty two to twenty three year old men. And

(04:44):
the society in Europe is less coddling. Their system doesn't have,
you know, the equivalent of AAU basketball. You play a
million games, you play with your buddies, the outcomes don't matter.
Now the outcomes in Europe matter, and you play with
older players and the player come in more mature, more skilled,
more ready to win, less distracted, and more focused. So

(05:06):
I do think it is interesting when it gets out
that Donovan Mitchell is bothered by the lack of maturity,
that would be a really really attractive element to Lebron.
James Lebron would read that and think, Ah, years ago,
there was a story I heard that a young star

(05:27):
in the NBA had his people reach out to Lebron's
camp and they did a little homework and they found out,
you know, it was a nightclub guy. He was a
guy that was out every night, sometimes came to the
game not ready to play, didn't put in the work
to super talented, and Lebron's people were like, no, thank you.
So this is a sign that it's out there, whether
Donovan Mitchell wants it or not, it would be a

(05:49):
very attractive part of his game. Donovan Mitchell, I want
to win. I'm focused, I want titles. I'm not screwing
around that stuff is always always turned off Lebron James
so Jaymack and I earlier today. I'm not sure why
we got into this. But he doesn't like Jared Goff.

(06:09):
I do he thinks Jared Goffin two a same guy.
I don't. One has a history of injuries in college
and professional. One doesn't. One is a number one pick taller.
I think a better arm that cuts through bad weather
a little better. But Jared Goff, it should be noted,
does play better in a dome. Peyton manningowas did. Fourteen
of the first fifteen games for the Lions this year

(06:32):
are indoors. Big advantage Detroit, so Goff is a great
indoor quarterback, ninety nine passer rating in a dome eighty
nine outside of it. It's like a greenhouse effect. His
completion percentage in a dome is sixty seven and a
half sixty two without it. He's not terrible without it,

(06:53):
he is elite with it. He's a California kid. Plays
better with protection. And indoors. Now again, Peyton Manning better
indoor quarterback. So, now this is something I think about
all the time. One of the reasons I never understood
Mitch Trubisky to the Bears. Forget the fact that they

(07:14):
didn't see the greatness in Mahomes. Trubisky was a front
leg thrower with a weak arm, and the ball died
at twenty twenty five yards in Chicago. There's a reason
Farv Rogers and now Jordan Love are succeeding. They've all
got whips, they got got good arms. In Buffalo, they're
two best quarterbacks all time, big strong guys, Jim Kelly,

(07:36):
Josh Allen Pittsburgh, Terry Bradshaw, Big Ben. It matters. There
were a lot of smaller quarterbacks, mobile guys in between
Bradshaw and Big Ben. So if you look at Drew Brees,
for example, his numbers are incredible. Drew Brees in a
dome one hundred and five passer rating out of a
dome ninety two. So that's a Hall of Fame quarterback.

(07:59):
So GoF with protection, GoF insider good weather is a
different quarterback environment has to be considered. Now, you could say, Colin,
what about Tua. No, GoF has a better arm than Tua,
and GoF doesn't have that injury history. So of the
many things I consider when you give the quarterback the

(08:20):
bag injury history. Has he shown the ability to get
into shootouts? Can he win multiple ways? Can he win efficiently?
Can he win in a shootout? Golf has proven he
can win both. Has he won maybe with multiple teams?
GoF won with McVeigh and now with Dan Campbell. Can
he stay healthy? There's a lot of things I consider.

(08:41):
Dak has had more injuries, Tua a little more. That
worries me. Here's golf on the big extension.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's a good like I guess chapter closing of the
last three years, if you want to say, but now
I'm more driven and more fired up than ever to
go even harder and put the pedal to the metal
even more to bring a Super Bowl to the city.
And that's what's most important.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So Jared Goff, much to the chagrin of Jmack, getting
the bag ta Jimmy Johnson said yesterday, I pay him.
I okay, I'm just not paying him when I'm paying
Golf because of the injury history. And I think even
to a greater degree, windy, cold weather with the elite.
Now think about this, now, the elite teams in the

(09:30):
AFC Kansas City cold weather, Cincinnati cold weather, Baltimore cold weather,
A lot of cold weather packers cold weather. So to win,
that's NFC. So in the AFC, to get through it,
you're gonna have to go through cold weather. Allen's young,
Lamar's young, mahomes young. In the NFC, it may be

(09:55):
a dome. Do I have to not consider that? It
may be through Detroit dome. San Francisco mild weather. So
to me in the AFC, arm strength feels like it
matters a lot. In the NFC, I mean Rams, I
think you're good. San Francisco's really good, Detroit indoors is

(10:17):
really good. I think if I looked at the AFC,
I think I gotta go through Baltimore, Buffalo and Kansas
City for the next eight years.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Don't forget the Jets too.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Cincinnati. I think in the AFC, you draft a quarterback,
you have to think macro arm matters a ton. I
think in the NFC it matters. But San Francisco, Rams, Detroit,
only Green Bay looks like okay, if you go through
green Bay. It's cold. You're never gonna have it perfectly
set up for you.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
So that's that you had on golf fourteen of his
first fifteen indoors. That's crazy. I'm looking at the schedule
and now the things line up good. That being said,
they definitely want home field advantage in the playoff because
it's San Francisco and Detroit in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
However, they have the early buye.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
You don't want an early bye because you're pretty fine.
You don't need a buy like the first week in October,
four weeks in, you're healthy. After the buy, you're looking
at playing like twelve straight games, and it gets very
difficult in December, okay versus Green Bay? Oh sorry, Thanksgiving
against Chicago, and then they have two Thursday games in
a row, Chicago and then Green Bay. Then they have

(11:24):
Buffalo Chicago again, and then the big one at San
Francisco December thirtieth, probably going to be for home field advantage.
And remember Detroit will have not rested since the first
week in October. So I'll still have the Niners number
one in the NFC, but Detroit's right there with him.
I don't even think there's a close third is.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
There in the NFC. Yeah, Oh, I think the Rams
are really good. Oh, I think they're really good.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well, Vegas doesn't totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well if they didn't last year either, And I punched
him right in the neck.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Gonna say something else.

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Speaker 3 (12:31):
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Speaker 4 (12:32):
I know you love like the inside thoughts and speculation.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
So do.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Bronnie James obviously going to be a big name throughout
this draft process in the NBA. Obviously everybody thinks that
the Lakers might draft him. But a Western Conference team
is showing interest and that's the Utah Jazz. Okay, Utah Jazz.
Let that sink in for a moment. They want to
bring him in for an individual workout and are eyeing
him allegedly with their early second round pick the Jazz.

(12:58):
One of our producers just came up with this. They
have four clutch clients on the roster. Colin Sexton, Clarkson,
Talan Horton, Tucker remember when he was going to be
a thing with the Lakers, and then Darius Baisley. So,
you know, not to get all conspiracy theories, but four
clutch players in Utah. You know, Dwayne Wade is has

(13:19):
an ownership stake in that team. Wade obviously very close
with Lebron What what do they have cooking? I don't
I don't see Lebron leaving for the Utah Jazz, but
showing interest in Bronnie having a bunch of clutch clients.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
They're not going anywhere, They're not a playoff team. What's
happening in Utah?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
On any speculation?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, agents of always had significant poll in the sport.
Used to be a you know, David, why am I
forgetting the name Michael Jordan's agent Falk? David Falk had poll.
I think, you know, I think clutch sports has poll
uns always been the case, hasn't it. Arthur Tellen had

(13:58):
had a lot of poll.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
For you, Oh, big tame.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Their current head coach is Will Hardy, young guy who's
very highly thought of.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, they like him. Interesting team.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I wonder what's going on in Utah. Listen, if Bronni
goes to Utah, take the spotlight off.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
There's no spotlight in you.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
So there's a younger new owner and he may look
at it and think, you know, let's make this Let's
make this team feel broader, less collegiate. Let's get d Wade,
clutch sports. That's the way the world works. And you know,
it's like Green Bay. It's never been a huge free
agent destination. So let's let's broaden our the net. And

(14:34):
I think d Wade does that, and I think clutch
sports does that.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I'm not saying Bronnie would hide, but there's not going
to be fifty reporters and cameras everywhere.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I've spent a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
You know, I like you are a big Utah guy.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I go, well, no, I just I know it. I
know the state well, and I think it sometimes it
feels a bit insular to NBA players, So let's broaden out.
I think d Wade and Clutch sports is a good
way to broaden out the Net keep an eye out
in Utah and Bronnie. Next up, let's go back to
the schedule release some gambling insight from odds makers.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, the Panthers and Patriots are underdogs in all seventeen
games this season.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Panther, that's it. Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's out of soccer.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
New England is an eleven and a half point dog
against the forty nine ers.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
However, the forty.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Nine Ers are the only team in the NFL favored
in all seventeen games, including well against Knicks, Chiefs in
San Francisco, and you're Lions.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
So they're favored over the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
And the Lions both games in San.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Fran Well, you know what's interesting that Rashi Rice thing.
In the first four weeks, you're praying that first round, low,
first round pick from Texas, the tiny receiver can Yeah,
I mean it's what's interesting is the receiver position is
Niners have missed on several receiver draft picks. Kansas City
has missed on several. Sometimes the guys just make mistakes, knuckleheads.

(15:54):
But it's I think Kansas City's a little vulnerable early.
Just another super Bowl. You got the Rashi Rice suspension coming,
you're gonna count on a couple of year early draft
picks to play. They don't. They're not in a great
spot at tackle. I think Kansas City early, that's the
chance to get them.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, so Niners are favorite. They have a stretch where
they're Kansas City Dallas.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Back to back, and Dallas is off a bye before
that game.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
And yeah, Sanfred has the bye after Dallas.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Their schedule.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
So the other tough.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
One is at green Bay Thanksgiving weekend follow or sorry
November twenty fourth, followed by at Buffalo. That is a
tough the long trip to green Bay. Maybe they stay
east and then head to Buffalo, but that is that's
not easy, back to back road games against two likely
playoff teams. This looks like a fourteen and three thirteen

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and five.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh no, first of all, at LA trouble, but they
own Kansas City. Dallas are tough. I think at Tampa
cross Country after the bye, come on, you're probably right.
Come on at green Bay at Buffalo back to back.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Here you go, fine, thirteen and four, best record in
the league. I think he is rock per MVP.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, you have an old roster, you're gonna sit guys
in a seventeen game schedule, just you're gonna bake in.
George Kittle's playing fifteen, not seventeen. You're gonna bake in.
If the young receiver plays well, Deebo Samuel, Okay, they've
got a bunch of guys. If that receiver Ricky pearsol hips,
you're gonna say, Debo, you need like a great example
to rest Debo would be at Tampa. Give him two

(17:31):
weeks off the way his physical style is used. Christian McCaffrey, Tampa,
You're off. That's what I would do. My players would
love me. I'd give them. I would give it.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
And you know what, you wouldn't have the number one
seed in the NFC because they need that. So Detroit
has to come outdoors where they're not as explosive as
they are indoors. Now they look pretty good in that
NFC Championship game, which was an amazing game, but I'm
telling you they don't want to have to go indoors
to Detroit. That place is going to be a scene
if Detroit gets home field advantage. So I think I
think San Fran pushes for thirteen and four. You need

(18:03):
that homefield advantage called that's big in the.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Playoffs, it matters. I think great teams matters less, but
it matters.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Rock Purty MVP. Do you want a ticket?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, he's gonna shaw I can get you one. Stegback
a little this year. That old offense is going to
have some guys missing games.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Uh yeah, really okay?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Finals.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So the final of the UFL.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
The Birmingham Stallions remain undefeated at seven to zero. Look
to improve on a fourteen game winning streak dating back
to the last season. Stallions are coming off a big
win over the BattleHawks and we'll take on the one
and six Roughnecks tomorrow. Behind UFL MVP candidate Adrian Martinez.
We should just call him amart I do believe he'll
be on an NFL roster.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
He's good kid from Nebraska.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Stallion's last loss came in Week five last year against
the Gamblers, who are now the Houston Roughnecks. Should be
a fun weekend UFL action. Weather warming up out here
in California.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well now the rest of the country is not getting
My wife told me of out east is pretty nice.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I would hope.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
So it's May.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
It's like we had a pool back in Pennsylvania and
it was like.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh, Memorial, do you open the pool? And I was like, no, we.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Need to open it earlier, so we would do early.
Do you miss out there, No, not at all. So
you're an East coast guy who I had to talk
into moving out to Manhattan.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
H Now, I don't think you could talk me moving anywhere.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Chicago's very nice in the fall.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
What about the winter, that's a little bit winter.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
You'll come on.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
You gotta buy me gloves and a winter hat.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You'll need them. Jmack with the News, Well that's.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
The news, and thanks for stopping that the line.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I was thinking about this that you know they'll be
at the trading deadline. Let's let's play a little think
tank here. At the trading deadline in the NFL, somebody's
gonna get moved, right, like either a team is going
to go sideways and just say let's go get a
draft pick. So when you look at the NFL, one

(20:01):
of the interesting things about bad teams is if I
said to you, you know, it's gonna be four or
five team like New England doesn't have any players, but
there's going to be a team. If Tampa got off
to a bad start. Keep your eye on Tampa moving
people for draft picks, because they would consider getting a
pick with their first pick next year. So that's that's

(20:22):
Here's another one. If Tennessee, if Will Levis stinks right
out of the shoot and they've got all those receivers,
don't be surprised if they're like, we need to we
we need to move some stuff and get more draft picks.
Because for a Tennessee they may think, if we win
five games, you know that we're only to have the
fifth pick. We need more draft capital like Minnesota did

(20:44):
if we have to move up in the draft. So
in the NFL, one of the things I think is
really fun is kind of looking at the bad teams
and saying we because remember the NFL trade deadlines, like
week eight, it's week seven, week eight, so you can
you know you're two and five teams will go, okay,
we're moving off guys. So there's some mediocre teams that
are in tougher divisions, like I can see the Raiders,

(21:06):
for example, the Raiders are going to need a quarterback
next year. The Raiders have like Davonte Adams. To me,
if brock Bauers is special, They've got a couple other
young receivers. They got Jacoby Myers. Keep your eye in
the Raiders and DeVante Adams at wide receiver. Is there
a good team that is like, listen, we don't know
if we can match up with Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo, Rams, Lions, Packers.

(21:30):
I'll give you an example, the Dallas Cowboys. Keep your
eye in the Dallas Cowboys and the Raiders. Because if
the Dallas Cowboys, a very thin team, have an injury
to a Ceedee Lamb or the run game doesn't materialize
and Dak is struggling and the Raiders get off to
a one in five star one in six start, I

(21:51):
think Dallas is going to come knocking for a top receiver.
That's my prediction. Trade deadline, keep your eye the Cowboys.
If they got up, well, do we have the Dallas schedule?
If they get off, their schedule is hard early, easy late.
If Dallas stumbles early and its offense, Mike Zimmer's got
the defense rolling, DAK is forced to throw it forty

(22:13):
times a game because they can't generate a run game.
I mean, they went back and got Zeke, who looks
a bit washed, and all of a sudden. They need
some firepower because Saquon Barkley and the Eagles, oh, they
upgrade their coordinators. Saquon Barkley with the Eagles is making
and Dallas is falling further behind. Jaden Daniels and Washington

(22:34):
are playing well and Dallas through six seven weeks is
in third place. Jerry's eighty. Just just keep your eye
on that one.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Know the last team we did this with last year,
Remember the Tampa Bay Bucks. We said, oh yeah, they
could be sellers at the deadline. Godwin Evans, they made
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think Dallas is fascinating. Didn't have any cap space. Remember,
didn't have any moves. If Dallas stumbles and they start
making moves at the trade dead that they couldn't make earlier,
and they just start moving off pieces, They're like, we're
gonna move off some defensive pieces. Dak needs help. But
because Philadelphia, remember last year was the year the Eaton
was good in the NFC, Green Bay was too young,

(23:15):
Detroit wasn't quite there. Purdy was coming off an injury
the NFC last year, like the Rams were in a rebuild.
Like Aaron Rodgers gone last year in the NFC, the
eating was good. Tom Brady leaves Tampa now in the NFC. Okay,
Green Bay and Detroit are ready to win it. Perdy's

(23:36):
got another full year of starting Caleb Williams in town.
Very interesting team. Okay, Rams clearly not in a rebuild.
Appeared to have a great early draft. So last year
in the NFC for Dallas it's like it's here for
you and they got whacked. So now you don't have

(23:58):
any money because of Dak and all the on tracks
and the NFC. The four or five best team Rams
are not in the rebuild. Packers lines ready to go,
Bears are gonna be a real football team. Philadelphia also dovetailed.
Oh Philadelphia gets Saquon and new coordinators.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
So what do you think is more likely Dallas is
going after stars or do they say our windows closed
with this group?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Dak and McCarthy were done.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jerry hates irrelevance, and I think the Raiders know if
the Raiders start one in five. The takeaway is what
do we care? What do we care? We're not beating
Kansas City and Harbor Herbert. What do we care if
bo Knicks can play a little bit. It's like, okay,
we're gonna go against Peyton, Bownicks, Harbaugh, Herbert Mahomes, Andy Reid.

(24:45):
We're not doing it with Gardner Minshew and a defensive coach.
We need a quarterback. So it's now. I think the
Raiders could also be in the Dax sweepstakes at the
end of the year. Absolutely. But my take is, if
you start looking at the NFC last year wide open.
Now all those young teams, Chicago's ready to win, green
Bay can get to the Super Bowl, Detroit had the

(25:05):
Super Bowl, Pertty's got another year starting Rams are not
in the rebuild, Philadelphia ads Barkley Brady's out. I don't know,
it feels like feels like it's Aaron Rodgers gone. Last
year was wide open.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
And they had a great season until that unfortunate playoff result.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, so just just we're gonna have something. I think
I'm just the two teams. I don't think you're super
Bowl teams. One could be bad, one could be Okay.
Dallas and the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Better season next year. Jets in the AFC, are Cowboys
in the NFC. Hmm, look at that tough one.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Both feel like nine win teams. Yeah, old quarterbacks with
dicey O Liones.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
A deck's not old.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Old quarterbacks with dicey O lines. Russell Denver first year
remember Stafford, good old line, Brady good old line, flourished
Russell and Aaron go to a new team, Denver Jets,
bad old line trouble. So to me, the Jets season
isn't about their personnel. Can they get the O line right?

(26:16):
If Tyron Smith can give you thirteen weeks of starting
until the rookie can is ready to play, the Jets
will be fine. The Jets will be four.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
One of us is going to be way off on
the Jets because I'm a little higher than a little
more irrational on them.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
And you think they're in like nine.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Wins, right, all right? So the Nuggets and the t
Wolves are going to a game seven Sunday, and there
was a bite after the game from Anthony Edwards. Is
this j maccacky or likable?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
From ant guys a competitor, It's like one of the
best feelings in the world. I've never played a game
seven on the row, but all my playoff experiences on
the row has been like super fun because nobody's on
your side. So I can just imagine how these game
will be and like the fans, so I'm super pumped
for it.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Did you really tell the locker room staffer in Denver
you were gonna be back for Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
They knowed I was in there. Yeah I told him.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I said, I see You'm for Game Sevenka.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Ball or cocky cool?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, I got no problem with that.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Here do I tank top? Regular guy? Relatable?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I think that's very relatable. Paul Pierce talked about that,
he feels relatable. You've got your uh tomorrow's headlines today?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, you're not gonna like these.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
I mean you like the headlines, You're not gonna like
my agenda.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
All right.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
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Speaker 7 (27:48):
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more about the stories about what made these people love
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We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
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Speaker 6 (28:07):
I think you like it.

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Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app,
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Speaker 1 (28:17):
All right, what have we got on TV tonight? J Mac.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Pacers Knicks game six? It's also Friday night? You could
like go out and live it up on the town.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, yeah, because if they if the Pacers win, would
game Sunday be in New y Yeah? So what's the
point wat We.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Just saw last night? What happened? Timberwolves go home for
games safe?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
It would be different if the Nick I lived in
New York, I would go to a Knicks game. But
if they're not, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It's also Friday night, you don't have to wake up
early tomorrow. What are you gonna lift weights at eight am? No?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Sleep in a little bit?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Boy, did I get a lift yesterday?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Big pump? Get your swollen?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
All right? Well, the former newspaper man kicked that career
to the curb, but he still has the ability to
predict headlines at an interesting rate. You're very good at
pivoting to the right temperature on big stories. So we
like to call it tomorrow's headlines today with J Marx

(29:16):
Game six tonight Knicks Pacers, what's the headline?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Got a lifelong Knicks fan.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
However, the headline will be control Salt, delete Nix, wait
till MSG kicks in. I'll think the Knicks in seven.
I think the Pacers win tonight. I'm not going against
Brunson at home in Game seven. I am worried.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
As I told you earlier this week about the quick turnaround.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
The game would be three thirty on Sunday, so not
even forty eight hours after Game six for a road
weary Knicks team.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
That is there dragon And we don't know if OG's
gonna play Sunday.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, Og out tonight. We don't know if he's gonna
play Sunday. That would not be great. Could McBride be
the hero again his defense on Halliburton and you know,
setting a lot of screens. I like the Knicks in
game seven at home. It's tough to go against Brunton
in that crowd. By the way, we haven't seen a
Game seven at MSG in a minute.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Those are fun, very exciting stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh that's good. Sunday is gonna be big. NBA Tomorrow's
headlines today Eileen Denver, Nuggets t wolve series mist.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Denver got beat by forty five last night. I mean
they've been their starters are getting destroyed in this series.
Did you see that? In the series they're minus fifty
the mighty Denver starting lineup. The headline will be IM
poster syndrome, Jokis dunks on Jordan impersonator.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Sorry Anthony Edwards. You know we love Anthony ed obviously.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
It's just I don't know how you can back a
young kid like Edwards in this spot in Denver Game
seven against the defending champs, like it's gonna be a
Yokic game. I would guess a little lower scoring. You
had like one hundred nine hundred four. I don't even
know if it's gonna be that high. You know, game sevens,
everybody's tight, everybody's nervous, and like, if you're Denver, I
know you got Mike con back, or sorry, Minnesota got

(31:01):
Mike Conley back. Last night they looked more comfortable. But
did you notice Jokic in the fourth quarter stood the
entire time on the sideline. Did you see it?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
He was just angry, like we're getting our butts kicked.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
He's going into takeover Yokic mode, just like we saw
in Game five where he was forty and thirteen historic stuff.
It's tough for me to put yokicchen historical context because
just in the last couple of years, Colin he essentially
has looked like an Elijah One type player, a Tim Duncans.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Three pointer that's Curry accurate. Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
And now if he wins a game seven year against
the Timberwolves, he's gonna go to the conference finals again.
Like this guy's really climbing the charts column. We're gonna
I know that nobody cares about yo Kic and by
the time we talk about his historical contexts, he'll be
riding horses in Serbia. But this guy could end the
season with another title. Top fifteen player all time. Is
that where we're headed? That three MVPs. If he gets

(31:54):
another title.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
He's the most skilled big man ever. I covered an
older our Vitas Sabonis in Portland and our Vetus was
not this kind of shooter, but in terms of touch
around the basket and distribution, he was brilliant. And again
I got the old battered aversion, but and he could
actually hit a three from the top. He was okay

(32:17):
circle the top of the arc three. They always said, Sabonis,
had you seen him seven years earlier would have been
much closer to this. We got the old Arvita Sabonis.
But I've never seen any big do this. I mean
his accuracy the last two years in the playoff shooting threes.
I think it's forty one percent. It was before the

(32:37):
game last night.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Now, I'll say this, they did double him a lot
last night. And I don't want to say Denver was
it ready, but the most doubles they've sent him in
the series, and Denver seemed a little rattle.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
And nobody can make a show.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
That Murray was struggling.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah, do you go back to that strategy or do
you say no, they just saw that they'll be ready.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I think if I'm facing Denver, it's all hands on
deck to stop Jokic. Murray will not be one hundred percent.
I don't think Gordon's going to do it ten for
ten what you did earlier in the series. So Denver's
beata ble if. But I just I tend to think
that Jokic, like all great players in big spots, takes
over tomorrow's headlines. Today, let's turn to the NFL. The

(33:18):
headline for the team that will make the biggest.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Leap, Yeah, not that hard.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
They added a quarterback to actually, and they have the
easiest schedule in the NFL. The headline will be social
net Kirk Falcons, new faith books, ticket to playoffs, Look
at her cousins. It's tough not to like the Falcons column.
I got some schedule stuff for you here. Easiest schedule

(33:43):
in the NFL, and it's not particularly close. Last year, however,
the Saints had the easiest schedule.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, and it kind of fell apart. I feel better
about the coach and the quarterback in Atlanta this year
than New Orleans last year.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
You know how we like to buy stock. I would
wait until after that Chiefs game. They will lose to
the Chiefs and then they're one and two or zero
to three, and then it's like, ooh, Falcons, what are disappointment?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
What a letdown? And that's when you buy their stock,
because look after that.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, they get sucky. They get Kansas City early, Rashi
Rice might not play, okay, Kansas City's got a tough
early schedule. You also get Chargers, Harball, Herbert off a Bye.
So I mean, if you told me where I want
to play Kansas City first month, when do I want
to play my second toughest game off a bye. So
the schedule for Atlanta, that's pretty friendly. Yeah, and look

(34:33):
at the end of the season, the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
I don't want to use the T word for tanking,
but I mean, if the Raiders are as bad as
you think they could be, we.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Are the four worst teams in the league, Raidsco, Giants,
and Carolina. Two of those.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Four definitely will be looking at a quarterback in the draft.
And I don't know if the kid back from Georgia
looks like, oh my gosh, he's a slam dunk or
should you or Sanders Pops, maybe you've got two of
those teams tanking. Falcons are going to be a sneaky
eleven win team. I don't love them, but this schedule
breaks their way.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Tomorrow's headlines today, So if you thought Atlanta was the
biggest leaf, who's the biggest fall in the NFL. I'm
interested for this.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
I don't know if you have it on the paper
over there, but this team opens the season with two
road games and their first five are very difficult.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
You love them, I like them. The headline will the
early mcvacation. Bye bye so far, Hello my tie. I'm sorry,
Rams fans. I'm doing it again. Last year I went
against a r.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
You really didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I liked the team. I roofed them. I like to
go to their games again.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
This schedule stuff that I think you're underestimated the loss
of Aaron Donald. He's drawing double teams on like over
half the snaps. Okay, so now your other edge rushers
have like an advantage because you're getting blocked by a
tight end or running back because everybody's focused on Aaron Donald.
I think it's gonna put a lot more pressure on
the secondary if they're not able to generate pressure. Conin's
defense was not good. They're gonna have to win a

(35:55):
lot of shootouts. The Rams look like an overteam with
Pooka and Cup. They're gonna be able to score. We
know that.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I do.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Just wonder and then we'll see how the offensive line does.
Remember Stafford's getting up there in age. We had a
lot of concerns last year. He did.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
He was great.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's a tough division, man, The Niners are stacked.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't think it's as tough as you think. Yeah,
new staff Gino Arizona's in a rebuild. I think Niners
are going to be good as long as Shanahan's got
m Christian McCaffrey. But I don't think it's nearly as
good as division as you think.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
By the way, they have to go to San Francisco
late in the season, they faced Buffalo, they got to
go to the Gets.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
But it's not daunting. I mean, there's a stretch here
of Mins, there's a stretch here off the by of Raiders,
Minnesota and Seattle, and then you've got a stretch of
you know, I got the Patriots in the Saints out
of two or three weeks and Eagles at home. That's
not it's not.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
But I'll just say there is some data out there
saying if you have the buy early, it is just
not beneficial at all. You want to buy later in
the season because the teams are worn down week eight on. Yeah,
and it's just it doesn't line up great I do.
I am a Rams fan. I love Stafford. You know
he lives kind of near Ishmi.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Sorry, tomorrow's headlines today. So you've given us
the big leap and the big fall. Inevitably, we have
to talk, Jeff.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
No, we don't, we don't we don't inevitably have to.
They're just gonna be pretty damn good. The headline will
be just airing it out here. What if the Jets
land in New Orleans, the location of the Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Colin Listen, I was beating you over the head with
stats earlier. I'm just this team is on the come up.
There is an article on a certain website that is
a rival of ours about how the Jets are Super
Bowl contenders. Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying, like those
the tackle situation. Remember last year it was Dwayne Brown
and McKay beck did to start the season. I tackled,

(37:47):
so it was an old left tackle. Now Brown's thirty seven. Okay,
try Brown spent was only thirty.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Three and he was great last season.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
And Morgan moses big upgrade. They gonna have four new
offensive lineman, which can be tricky, especially against San France.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh, it's tricky with an old quarterback off and the
way look.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
At what do you see in the first five weeks. Oh, look,
they could be facing three rookie quarterbacks in a row.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
If Drake Day starts, if bo Nick starts, if J. J.
McCarthy starts.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
In Bill Levis but I would say I would take
San Francisco and Buffalo to beat them, and at Pittsburgh
could be tough that the schedule. The schedule's tricky. For instance,
you know they have a stretch where they face week nine,
they face c J. Stroud. Well, he looks like a star.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
They crushed CJ.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Stroud last year they not literally not him and remembers that, No,
I don't know if he does.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
He had a Concoscians and Kyler Anthony Richardson, So those
games are tougher than you think.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Listen, I like Anthony Richardson a lot. He's a second
year quarterback, like five starts under his belt. By the way,
look at the end of the season, warm weather rams
have to come to New York. Warm weather Dolphins have
to come to New York. You know it's chilly in
New York around the holidays.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Keep denigh on the Jets.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Twelve wins not out of the realm of possibility, Colin,
And if it happens, this show is gonna be popping.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think one thing Nick and I agreed on today.
Nick Wright was on earlier today was the Chicago Bears.
He's even higher on the Chicago Bears. This is the
first time in forty years they're gonna have a like
a superstar quarterback potentially. Here's Nick on the Bears an
hour and a half ago.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
My only concern for the Bears and for Caleb was
before the schedule came out.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
What if they get off to a rough start.

Speaker 9 (39:31):
Because Caleb's last season at USC ended poorly. There are
still some Bears folks that and I think some people
in the locker room that really like justin if he
gets off. If the first game of the season, Green
Bay cracks you like they do every year, and then
you have the Niners in Week two and you're zero
and two and Caleb's looking flustered, Could it snowball instead?

(39:52):
It's the opposite. Of the seven teams with the lowest
projected win total in football, they play five of them
in their first nine games, so they have an excellent
opportunity to start six and three or seven and two,
Caleb feeling confident, momentum growing a, dunes A getting better,
Caleb getting better, and him being not even really a

(40:12):
rookie anymore. By the time they played all their divisional games,
all their divisional games are in the final you know
from week eleven on, I don't know why the Bears
can't win the NFC.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I will say this something else that needs to be
noted Week ten on, when they got Montese sweat, the
Bears had the top defense in the NFC, so their
defense actually played well. So there. I think Chicago is
going to vie for a wild card. I don't think
they're as evenly talented as Green Bay or Detroit. I

(40:47):
think Detroit troster's top three or four in the league.
But I don't think it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Wait, did he say win the NFC or just the
day the NFC championship.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, I'd be careful the NFC. The bottom of it's
pretty weak. The bottom of it's pretty big and pretty weak.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
A rookie quarterback with a coach on the hot seat
is gonna win the NFC.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
It could, he said he was baking on it. He's
not ready to commit to that take.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I could rent to Ferrari this weekend and drive around
LA to look like a bowler.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I could.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
No, you couldn't. Your wife would you could not?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
I definitely could.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I priced it out, by the way, Yeah, just say it,
it's not that expensive.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
You really priced it out just a day.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I have to buy a new car tomorrow. I'm gonna
buy a used.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
One Smart millionaire next door baby

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Use car tomorrow