May 21, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin discusses what to expect from the Celtics-Pacers series
He points out the "Dak Dilemma" most teams across the NFL are currently facing
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It is a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Nick Wright, Byron
Scott bo stopping by today Boston Celtics Eastern Conference Championship.
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Here we go against the Pacers. Looks like a mismatch.
I think it's a mismatch. We'll get to that in
five minutes. Jamac You know I come to work every morning.
I m staff lays out, the team lays out a
bunch of stories, and a lot of them are about
quarterbacks wanting to get paid, get paid, OTAs tua dak as.
A lot of that talk right now, and I want
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to do addressing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Go jeez, here, we got everybody wants to get paid,
right yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Can you blame them don't blame them at all. So
there's a lot of stories about is Jordan love Packer's
gonna get paid, is Tua gonna get paid, Trevor Lawrence
getting paid? Jared Goff just got paid. And I was
thinking about this because the Celtics Larry Bird, the Larry
Bird exception. I'm gonna get to this in a second,
but I'll make I'll twist it all together. So if
you were gonna pay quarterbacks based on four factors, and
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I think most of us would agree on the four factors,
which is are you productive? Are you highly productive? Do
you have success? Does your team win and win in
the postseason? This isn't baseball. You gotta win games when
it matters, not just compile stats. Are you reliable? Are
you healthy? Are you available? And number four is do
you have leverage every negotiation. I don't care if you're
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an attorney, a doctor, a quarterback, a landscaper. If you
got leverage, you get more money. And if I had
to take every quarterback in the league based on those four,
Mahomes is the highest paid guy in the league. Josh
Allen is two. And by number three we can argue
I love Lamar Jackson. I'd probably put him there, but
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health concerns. He get hurt and he hasn't been great
in the playoffs. Joe Burrow, Yeah, but he can't stay healthy.
Justin Herbert talented, but hasn't won enough TUA concussions. Let's
be honest about that. It's a concern. Jalen Hurts. What
has he done without Shane Steich and he's had one
illy ear of production. I love Matt Stafford, but he's
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getting older and he gets dinged up a lot. Kyler
Murray talent, Yes, commitment, mah. Trevor Lawrence another guy I like,
but he's not as good as I thought or as
most people thought. He's good, not special, at least so far.
In fact, I could make an argument though he's not flashy,
and you'll push back that. Number three. In terms of
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those four, let's look at those four again productive team
and playoff success, health and reliability and leverage. Number three
could be Jared Goff laugh all you want, ver Ozoh
is hurt. Goff's been to a super Bowl, lost to
and never is so what do you do well? This
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is where dak is interesting, is that one of the
toughest decisions in the league. Is Dak when he's healthy,
you can win ten to eleven games. When he's healthy
five hundred or better. He would have a market, no question.
The Raiders would take him tomorrow if he was available.
And the truth is, Jerry Jones is petrified of being irrelevant.
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Jerry's ego feeds on relevance. Dak's your quarterback. He's upright irrelevant.
What do you do with him? His record is seventy
three and forty one. So in the NBA they have
something called the Bird exception, and there's several There's the
early Bird exception. There's a lot of them. What it
means is named after Larry Bird, that you can resign
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your free agents, your free agents if they've been with
you for three years, and it can go over the cap.
But it's called the Bird exception. In the NFL, here's
my new name. It's called the Dak dilemma. If you're
a football team that has a good quarterback, but he
fills those four boxes, he's productive, the team wins an
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occasional playoff win. He's reliable, mostly healthy, and has tremendous leverage.
The NBA's got the Bird exception. The NFL has the
Dak dilemma. What do you do when a quarterback mostly
fills those four boxes, but he's good and you have
to pay him great money. You will become exactly what
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the Cowboys have been under Dak, relevant and never elite.
What you can't be in this league is chaotic at quarterback,
and I think that's what makes the Dak Prescott situation.
He's got the leverage, he is productive, he's mostly healthy,
and when he is, they win. You'd like him to
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win more in the playoffs, but I'd like Lamar Jackson
to win more in the playoffs. I'd like Josh Allen
to win more in the playoffs. The Dak dilemma is
real and it's what half the teams in this league
are facing. You cannot be special when you pay a
good quarterback great money. And once again, I think the
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Cowboys will be trapped. So tonight the Boston Celtics, I mean,
the playoffs for them really begin or do they begin
in two weeks in the finals, They're a big favorite tonight.
Indiana is a bad defensive team. This is a tough
match for the Pacers. And I saw a story this
morning and I've touched on this before are the Celtics
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going to officially become the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly
and now Josh Allen Always good, never special, no trophies.
So we are in year seven of Tatum and Jalen
Brown playing together. Brown came into the league eight years ago,
Tatum seven seven years playing together. What we know is
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indisputable is they are a dominant Eastern Conference team, sort
of like dominating the Pac Twelve for most of the
last thirty years. They're a dominant Eastern Conference team, far
and away the weaker conference. They've had three head coaches
in seven years, one trip to the finals, and they
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dominate a really weak side of the league. They do
not have an Alpha score like Luca, they do not
have a dominating front line like Minnesota or a defense
player like Rudy Gobert. But they've got chemistry, they're cohesive,
they get a long they win a lot. The strangest
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part about the Celtics, and maybe it's not strange at all,
is that they don't do things that historically great champions
have done. They're very mediocre at home in the playoffs
five hundred over the last four years, and that's against
mostly the East. They don't have a demanding, aggressive, dominant
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number one scorer who wants the ball, seeks it, and
demands it in crisis. And we also don't know if
they have a great coach capable yes, good, I'm not sure. Essentially,
these Celtics are the opposite of Michael Jordan's dynastic Chicago Bulls.
We love the coach, the demanding score, the true leader,
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and hard to beat it home. These Celtics are the opposite.
But in an era of very good teams like Denver
and Minnesota, Boston is a very very good team. I
think they'll be the proverbial hot knife through butter against
the defenseless Pacers. I think they'll go to the finals.
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They need two things in the finals. Porzingis has to
be healthy. You're not beating Minnesota or Dallas without Porzingis.
You gotta have size. Horford's not gonna cut it. You
can't just shoot your way to win night after night.
And the other thing is their path has been so easy,
and it will be against the Pacers. Should be a sweeper,
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a gentleman's sweep. It's not rigorous enough to test them.
Their first test will be in the finals. But my
guess is we've had teams that have won that haven't
been great Kawhai's Raptors, Dirk's Mavericks, and that's probably what
this is. We've put that in a nachalon. We've put
them in a nachalon. They they just don't really deserve.
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They don't have the alpha score, they don't have the
frontline wall at the rim. Porzingis is often hurt, not sure.
I like their coach, and they're at best solid at home,
never special in the playoffs. Here's Jalen Brown, one of
their two stars, part of the seven year tandem, asking
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why should we expect anything different from this team from
last year's team.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Curious to know what you feel this team has that
maybe the previous five did not, and getting over.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The hump more experience, got a couple guys added to
the mix. We a lot older than some of those
previous experiences. Everybody loves to say it's the same thing,
same team, but like each and every year, we've grown.
Each and every year we've learned. Each and every year
we've gotten older, mature, and this is it's a different mix.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well tonight they are a what twelve to twelve and
a half point favorite at home against the Pacers. Probably
take the points, but I think the games will be
in the high one twenties. Every time they have played
this year, That's what the games look like. I suspect
we'll get more of it. I'll give Indiana a win,
but I think the Celtics will again find themselves in
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the finals untested and probably looking at Minnesota, not Dallas,
though both will be favored. I really believe both Minnesota
and Dallas when they come out of a six or
seven game series, will look like the better, more tested team,
deeper team than Boston. And I'm not sure. I listen
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to two different pods yesterday at various times. I'll take
Minnesota over Dallas. But I think what we're doing we're
not measuring in, We're not baking in how bad the
East is. And I think when you watch Minnesota Dallas
and you watch the quality of depth and physicality and
size and scoring and kind of dynamic players, it will
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look like a different and sport. So don't be fooled
by Boston rolling to wins because Indiana is an atrocious
defensive team. Atrocious and j Mack I saw something this
morning that came down. Now, last year you tried to
talk me into the New Orleans Saints. I bit a little.
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I think it was last year I tried to talk
you into the Rams. I got that one right. So
this year you're trying to talk me into the Jets,
and I'm not there. I am trying to talk you
once again into the Rams as a super Bowl team.
But an interesting, interesting number has come down in the Jets,
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and I don't buy it for a second. I think
everybody's being fooled.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Just one number, that's it. That's only just one number.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's it. I am shocked by what has developed in
the Desert DraftKings sportsbook, all the sports.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I have a good finger on the pulse of New
York teams. Remember two years ago was the Giants. We
were hyping the Giants with Dable in year one and they.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Go to the playoffs. We were like, we called it
cast the win total over.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
If the Jets are in the NFC AFC Championship game,
I would not be surprised at all.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Super Bowl mild surprise, but I think that's like the
Floor is winning the division.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
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Speaker 1 (12:33):
Nick Right, former Laker coach Byron Scott, toponext hour in
order one through ten, the ten best players remaining in
the postseason. Did you see this? J Maackett was fascinating.
Of the top fifteen contracts in the league, one remains
Rudy Gobert, which tells you the young players in the
league are taking it over. The old guys can't stay healthy,
make a lot of money. The young guys, though, are
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performing at a high level. And it's a lot of
young guys left. So Pacers are young, Celtics are semi
young outside of Andrew Holliday's not young, Al Horford's not.
Dallas feels young, Minnesota feels a little in between. Mike
Conley makes them a little older. But of the top
fifteen salaries, one Rudy Gobert remains, which is remarkable. But
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I saw this number. I gotta admit every year one
of my favorite things to do in football college are
pro is the future bets. So last year I was
big on the Rams. They're better than Vegas things. We
got that right. The year before I was big on
the Minnesota Vikings. I said, this is a really good team.
So a couple of years in a row. Last year
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J Mack was heavy on the Saints. I bought in,
big mistake. So this year, a couple of teams I like,
couple of teams I don't. I don't get the Jet stuff,
mostly because I have eyes and I've watched it for
ten years. But Draftking Sportsbook, this is crazy to me.
The Jets are currently favorites in fourteen games this year.
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They open with San Francisco, so that's one of the
ones they're not They will be favored in all but
two games the rest of the way, So take a
deep breath. There are three things I like about the
Jets and about three things you have to watch for,
so let's be positive. Here's the three good things. The
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schedule pretty workable and especially easy early, so get that
New York media off your bat. Crazy impulsive owner, get
him off your back after a disastrous season, they could
potentially get to a nice optimistic start. The second good
thing Belichick's out of the division. He owned the Jets
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for two and a half decades. He's out of the division.
He's out of the sport and number three is their
defensive personnel's good, so they should be in games. They
don't have to win by shootouts. AFC is a great
quarterback conference. They have a more than fi forrmonable defense,
a defensive head coach. They'll be in games. Here's three
things where you have to be a grown up and realistic.
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Josh Allen's the best quarterback in terms of overall talent
in the league, and he's owned the division since he
came into the league. He's right in his prime. Number
two is the O line is rebuilt, but players are
mostly old past their prime or young and not there yet.
Very few elite offensive linemen as in zero in their prime.
And the head coach is on the hot seat. He's
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a defensive coach. And it's a relentless media and an
impulsive owner. Promising becomes a tire fire an annual basis
in New York. Aaron Rodgers add to that, is still
doing wacky podcasts as he lectures teammates on don't talk
about anything other than winning football. Get away from anything
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that doesn't connect with winning football. As Aaron continues to
do wacky podcasts, He's also now forty and out of
his prime. The last time we saw him start a
full season twenty twenty two, his passer rating was ninety
one in a weaker conference and his record was eight
and nine in a weaker conference. Nathaniel Hackett, a bottom
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five offensive coordinator, is still calling plays against sala a
defensive coaches on the hot seat. This team screams eight
and nine or nine and eight and for the record
nine to eight over the last ten to twelve years
would be a great season for the Jets. But three
things I look at, head coach, quarterback, and organizational stability.
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I have questions with all of them. DraftKings apparently does not.
They'll be favored in fourteen games. The hype train is loaded.
Put your seat belt on because December and January at
Miami at Jacksonville McVeigh and the Rams at Buffalo Miami again,
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it is a rough five game stretch to close. Niners
tough early, fairly soft for the next six to seven weeks.
Jets once again at the top of the league food
chain in terms of hype. Jmack with a news no, no,
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this is.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The herd line news.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
No one of us is going to be correct, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Nathaniel Hacketts still call and plays.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
He's irrelevant, totally irrelevant.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Now, if Aaron Rodgers goes down, obviously Jets aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
We know that.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
But if he's healthy, there's no reason to think they're
not an eleven twelve win team.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I cannot we were in fourteen games. I just gave
you three reasons. But you know it should be noted
when you get a great quarterback Peyton Manning, Mahomes, Brady,
Josh Allen, they do dominate their division until they're way
out of their prime. Big Ben dominated the Browns and
Bengals forever.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Is Rogers still in his prime?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
God no, God no. We saw him in Green Bay
two years ago he was a ninety quarterback rating guy
in a much weaker conference.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And three years ago he was the MVP oft League.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, that three years is a lot when you come
off an achilles surgery and have been banged up.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
There Aaron's grinder, though, he's putting in the world.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Okay, you know, aside from the darkness for truth, let's
get started here, coward. Let's go to the Atlanta Falcons,
who are going to be a big talking point all season.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I hope people are ready for the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Obviously, Kirk Cousins is their new quarterback unless you know
Michael Pennix starts.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But Cousins, coming off the torn.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Achilles last season, says he's sufficiently healed and ready for action.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I'm baby.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I've told people for a while.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
That if the Super Bowl were today, I'm playing, And
that goes back probably I think when I first got here,
I was working out and we got maybe a week
or two into my rehab and I did some drills
where I said, hey, if the super Bowl were today,
I'm playing. You know, once that tendon gets stabilized and
healed and the tissue connects, you really just are trying
to work through telling your body that you're good now
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because the brain still wants to guard and protect and
it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Atlanta's gonna win that division. In all the Michael Pennix doubters,
the Kirk Cousin critics are gonna be sitting back watching them.
There's a team that could win twelve games.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, the schedules, it's a joke.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Twelve and five is not out of the possibility for them.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
So just to work clear, you know, get the prediction
on on the books. We both like the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
This year to win the division.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
One of us just doesn't like the process of the
quarterback situation because it's putting undue pressure on Cousins. Yeah,
and Pennix is probably unhappy. He's got to be ticked
off off bone Nicks. I beat that guy twice last
week better than him, bon Nicks and go start.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And I'm gonna wait too to find a football team
where everybody is happy a.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
First round pick. Most first round picks are playing.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Pennick's gonna be sitting for two years, splinters in his
butt from the bench.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So did my mom monk one one year for a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, that's well, that's probably all.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Mobs knew it likes pro.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
This is one of these where years and years ago,
when the Lakers had to break up Kobe and Shack,
I knew keeping Kobe was the right move. I had
good contacts within the Lakers. He played harder, he practiced harder,
and that Shaq was distracted. But I knew for about
a year or two I had to eat a dirt
sandwich because Shaq was going to a Miami team that
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was going to dominate and then Kobe had to find
his next great player at was palgas Hal. I know
I'm right on this Atlanta thing. It's just going to
take a year to prove that I'm right, which is
having too many good quarterbacks is not a problem. It's
like paying too much. It's like saying, you know, I
paid a lot in taxes. Okay, it's not ideal. You'd
rather not pay a lot in taxes, but it means
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you made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I can't ride with that analogy. Anyways. The Kobe Shack
was interesting. I was on the other side.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Now, I was a young, dumb idiot, and I thought
it was the dumbest thing ever to get rid of Shack.
And I wasn't out here. I was on the East Coast,
so I didn't know the Kobe stuff that he got.
He was amazing and gonna be next, and You're right.
For two years, I was like, oh, Shack, Shack. I
was right, and then obviously I was way wrong. The
Pennix one's different because we know the NFL's shelf life
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for a quarterback is not as long as an NBA
player like Kobe Bryant had like a fifteen year run
in the roast. Kirk Cousins maybe has a few years
left right, three four times.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I think Kirk is going to have a really, really
good year. Then he's going to have a market. And
somebody like the Raiders who can't get Dack because Jerry
resigns him, and can't get Tua because Miami resigns him,
and the Las Vegas Raiders are gonna say Antonio Pierce
bad first year, fourth place is gonna say, get me
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a veteran quarterback. So Kirk is gonna have a market.
The team that wants him will pay some of the contract.
Michael Pennix will be in and having sat like Mahomes
for one year. So Cousins is gonna win the division.
He'll have a big market. Somebody will buy some of
the contract. But I will double down. I will die
on this hill. What you don't want to be his
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quarterback light, what I'll be every day as quarterback heavy.
I don't have to love either of the Steelers quarterbacks.
They've got two that can start and play and win.
I'll take that any day over what happened last year
where the Vikings had to make a trade for Josh
Dobbs back two days later. Yeah, that's what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, all right, well maybe in three years if the
show is still happening. You know, we're still teammates, you
can you can brag about the dub.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
There.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Let's move on to the NFC South. Bryce Young had
a brutal rookie season. Yeah, a lot of people are out,
like totally out on him, which I feel is a
little bit harsh. However, this year he has a new
offense and new head coach, Dave Kanalis, who's something of
a quarterback whisper. He was hired after the Great Tess
with Baker Mayfield and before that Juno Smith and Seattle,
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and Dave can Alis likes what he sees so far
from Bryce.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Young, he's doing fantastic with it, you know. And the
way that we do it is part to whole really.
So as we teach our concepts, you know, just for
an example, Okay, so we say we have a past concept, right,
We're not going to use six different formations today to
run this concept. It becomes something really well, really good
that we're effective at. We'll start to build it out.
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So for us, the formations are pretty vanilla so that
we can just teach the concept and what we want
out of each route, the depth of footwork for Bryce,
for Andy, for Jack, you know, and so that's the
that's the approach right now, so as I expect him
to do, he's really mastering that part of it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean, I really thought the coach didn't work.
The old line was bad. They had the worst receiving
core in the league. I think this feels like his
rookie year. He'll have a fair shake by the way
he and Will Levis, we will know by Thanksgiving if
they're the guy. Both major upgrades around them. So I'm
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higher on Bryce Young than Will Levis, but both now
have an offensive coach, both have better weapons. Levis has
great weapons. We will know by Thanksgiving. You'll have a
feel if Will Levis and Bryce Young are the guy.
My take is Bryce Young is going to be very effective,
not great, but very effective. And Will Levis the shortcomings
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you saw in college, the interceptions, the judgment will surface again.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So this would be a deep sleeper in the NFC
for me to be a wildcard team Carolina. So have
you seen their scope position, Guys, it is so much
of an upgrade. Deontay Johnson obviously for Pittsburgh is good.
They drafted Leget the wide receiver who wild was. I
had him in my first round a couple months.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Massive athlete. But here's where it gets interesting. They're running backs.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
They drafted the Kid Brooks, who's supposed to be maybe
the best back in the draft. But they have Chuba Harbard,
Miles Sanders, Rashad Pennies are four string running back. Yeah,
this team's going to look a lot this year, and
if the offensive line is just a little better, they
were futrid. I'm just this team, could you know, somehow
get eight wins now? I don't know if we could
put this Panther schedule on the screen with Probably maybe not,
But there's a chance they get off to a decent
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start here at New Orleans early.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We don't know how we feel about the same.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, now, Carolina is one of those teams that nobody
really will pay any attention to them. But the truth
is this will finally, Bryce Young will have a fair shot.
They should have a fairly consistent run game. You've got
a young, progressive offensive coach, they actually have weapons. Last
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year just wasn't fair. It's not fair to bail.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Off Adam Thielen was their number.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Like by the way Will Levis last year, you got
to give the guy a second year. But this is
very smart. This is what the Bears are doing, what
Carolina is doing, and what Tennessee really did is we're
going to load up with skill players. So that will
tell us by Thanksgiving this year if you're the right guy.
If not, then you start you redraft the quarterback. And
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this is what Chicago has done with Caleb Williams. We're
gonna know, We're gonna know by Thanksgiving. Rookie year for
Caleb Williams, this is gonna be special because there's no
excuses with Chicago. They got nothing but skilled players.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Or the head coaching situation.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But you'll know if he's I don't care if they
win or lose. If you're watching Caleb and he's going
twenty four for thirty two, two touchdowns, no picks and
running for eighty yards, you got the right course. I
don't care if they win six games. That was problem
with justin fields, major turnovers, not healthy bat in the fourth,
hot and cold. I don't need Caleb Williams to win
nine games. I just need to see, is that the.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Guy so Panthers go at Saints versus the Chargers. Chargers
have to go cross country, not easy early in the season,
and then at the Raiders. There's a world where Carolina
starts out two to one, and that's that's gonna be
huge for Bryce Young, who basically just got crapped on
all season last year by everybody and their mom final story,
we go to the NBA and the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The hunt for the new head coach continues.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
According to Scham's Sharania, Lebron is not involved in the
shirt search and has made it clear that this is
the organization's decision. Shams adds that Lebron has had no
conversations with the Lakers about JJ Reddick and has had
no conversations with Reddick about the job either.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I will let you take it away from here.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
A lot of cynicism regarding that it leaked yesterday that
Anthony Davis, who is viewed as the future of the franchise,
has more pull. A lot of cynicism. I'm not a
fan of cynicism. I do believe Lebron is more concerned
about getting that final contract than he is about the coach.
I really do. I think Lebron.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
You believe Lebron is not one conversation with the Lakers
about a head.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh, I think they probably sat that probably got him
on the phone and called. But I think Lebron's primary
issue right now is him getting that contract and watching
what happens to his son. Lebron's run through coaches. It's
Anthony Davis's team going forward. Anthony last year was more
consistently available and productive.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Anthony Davis's team.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
You think Anthony Davis is saying anything in a huddle,
You think he's pounding the clippard.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No, you think he's doing he doesn't do that well.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I think Anthony has made it clear through his representatives
Clutch Sports, that Darvin Ham was not it. Remember these
guys talked through their agents, and so I think Anthony
through Clutch Sport made it clear, like I'm out on
Darbin Ham.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's what I don't like, Colin.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know, it's all these that's all.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
These people who say this isn't it, this isn't working.
This is my guy, all right, wall for a solution,
Who you got.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Give me a name on ad who you got the NBA?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And I've I'm comfortable with it. Has always been a
player's league. It was a players league back in seventies.
Back in the early eighties, it was a Magic Johnson
ran off a coach Michael liked Doug Collins. They had
to do better the bottom line. It's always been a
player's league because you don't have many starters and one
or two players have significant impact on the bottom line.
(28:56):
So that's just you got to come clear with it.
I do believe that Lebron has probably made his feelings
known through Rich Paul, But I also think this really
comes down to Lebron saying I want to get my
final contract, I can't wait and to see where my
son is drafted. I'm a step a little clear of
this stuff because I don't believe. I think Lebron is
(29:16):
smart enough to know there's not an A plus candidate
on the market. There's not a young Phil Jackson, there's
not a spolster, there's not a curve JJ Reddick's interesting,
he's interesting, but there's not an So Lebron would be
pushing for somebody that's a B to a B minus prospect.
As a coach, there is no A on the market,
So why I mean, if I was pushing for somebody
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at this network, and it was a series of c people.
How hard am I going to push? Because then you
ruin your own REPUTATIONE If there was an a prospect
on the market, and I thought, boy, that's a guy,
that's a person I want. There is no a prospect
on the market, So Lebron's not going to sell his
brand and bulldozed Genie Buss for a b prospect.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
The idea that Lebron heading into probably his final NBA
contract certainly is having no say on who.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The days, be careful about, be careful about come on,
be careful about. No say. I don't think he's strident.
I don't think he's demonstrative. I don't think he is
overbearing him having an opinion. What do you think? I'll
give you a possible scenario that Lebron told let's just
(30:28):
say Rich Paul, and I think Lebron would say this, listen, man,
this is gonna be this is gonna be a D's
team going forward. You know, I like JJ, but I'm
I don't want that out there. I don't want to
make the final call. They can make it. I think
that's saying something, but that's not forcing the issue.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
So Donovan Mitchell's in Cleveland, right, He's not gonna be
a Laker.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I understand that. So, but the Cabs are in a
tough spot. Do they fire their coach or keep it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
They're definitely going to Donovan Mitchell being like, yo, hey,
what do you think about Vickerstaff?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do we want to keep it?
Speaker 5 (31:00):
And I know Donovan Mitchell is probably like, guys, I
don't even know if I want Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But you have to ask your stars what Davan Mitchell
is in his prime for the next six years.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Lebron's an All NBA player, Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
One step out the door, this is his final deal. Again,
depending on their stars are different. Jason Tatum, I would
ask Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, Luca and.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I'm not expecting them to give answers, but at least
seek input from them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They're the superstars, They're the franchise. You've got to go
to the superstars. I just can't believe anybody's pushing back agsist.
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I was looking at something else. I don't know why
I was in this mood yesterday. When I was a kid,
I used to read the box scores every night, sporting news,
and I was somebody that followed the baseballs. I've always
been fascinated with, like RBI leaders batting average, team batting
average in Major League Baseball. I don't know why this is,
but it is twelve teams in baseball hit under two
to thirty five. Almost half the sport hits under two
(33:16):
to thirty five. There's about four teams that can hit.
Yankees and the Dodgers can hit. There's a few other teams,
but man, there's there are a lot of one, two,
three innings in baseball, So this is interesting. The Wolves,
Rudy go Bear defensive Player of the Year multiple times.
He stops everybody except Yokitch is the only NBA player
(33:38):
on a top fifteen contract to make the conference finals.
This is crazy. So my guess is the NBA's getting
younger and better and more international, and a lot of
these old guys can't stay healthy. So and I think
about this a lot. There's very few bad contracts in
the NFL because you can get out of them because
(34:00):
the draft. The NFL draft supplies you on an annual
basis with so many good players seven rounds, plenty of
undrafted free agents get signed, whereas the NBA draft is
really nobody comes in and can play immediately. Like Wemby's
an outlier, Luke is an outlier. Almost no domestic players
can help you at all initially. An occasional international star
(34:24):
can do it very occasionally. So what happens is in
the NBA as a general manager, you don't get any
help in the draft. You have to take big swings
because of that, and there's sort of a fear based
mechanism at work where if you get a star. Let's
take the Clippers for instance. They're in LA, they don't
(34:44):
have any historical relevance, they're playing second fiddle to the Lakers.
They're opening up a new arena. Steve Balmer spent a
fortune on that, and they need some rock stars to
open it. So they give Kawhi an extension, even though
he plays about sixty percent of the games, and you
don't have any idea three in the afternoon on game
day if he's gonna suit up or not, you're trapped.
The NFL doesn't get into that. We were talking about
(35:07):
this this morning. They're bad contracts all over the NBA.
Somebody's gonna pay Klay Thompson twenty five to thirty million
a year. That's a bad contract. It's hard to find
terrible contracts in the NFL. Daniel Jones is not good.
Fear based owner made the decision. Deshaun Watson. I wouldn't
(35:27):
want him on my franchise, but it's a perpetually poorly
run and impulsive owner poor franchise, so they guaranteed it
bad contract. The only other contract I look at and
WinCE and I don't blame the franchise is Denver with
Russell Wilson. But they didn't have a quarterback in a
division with Patrick Mahomes and Herbert. It was the AFC.
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Russell had come off. He may not have been in
his prime, but he had one hundred passer rating with
a defensive coach. So let's get him an offensive coach,
bring him to Denver and give them some stuff. I
can't qualify that as a as a that's just a
big swing that didn't work. It's not a bad contract.
They took a swing and in Russell last year got
(36:12):
all the blame, but it was the Broncos defense that
was bottom third of the league. The offense was fine,
it was okay, it was middle of the pack. So
but it's different if thirty two NFL teams a couple
of atrocious Daniel Jones, Deshaun Watson, a couple of atrocious contracts,
you can cut guys. In the NFL, the collective bargaining
has a very weak union. In the NBA, the players
(36:32):
have all the power. It's the players league. But it
is pretty remarkable when you start looking at these players
that aren't in the conference finals. A lot of them
it's injuries. Embiid Lebron's older Bradley Beal, Durant, Dame, Giannis Kawhi,
Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Clade Thompson, Anthony Davis has an
(36:52):
injury history and in almost every case the team would
resign them because you get nothing from the draft where
you get your stars, where you're gonna get your players,
there's nothing in the draft. This year's draft, you have
two kids from France, people like a lot, couple of
Connecticut Huskies, a kid from Kentucky. None will have an
immediate impact in the league. Wemby did, but the team
(37:15):
was atrocious. Luca did at least scoring, but that's about it.
And so it's much harder to be a general manager
in the NBA. The draft doesn't give you anything that
can win immediately. You don't get a lot of video.
Let's be honest. Most of the college guys are all
one and done. The international guys, you cross your fingers.
(37:36):
But you know, nflgms have a great draft if they
make a mistake. I mean, good god. This year, how
many quarterbacks were drafted in the first round? Six and
I think like five of them feel like four to
five of them feel like it would be hard for
them to fail. So here, I want to play a
byte from yesterday. Tom Brady or Jay Z and Tom
(38:00):
Ready apparently met with Michael Rubin, who's this founder and
CEO of Fanatics, the sports apparel company, and Brady was
talking about as he sat down with a lot of
young quarterbacks and young people. His message from Tom to
the kids, when you're fifty three guys on the team
(38:20):
and you think it's about you and about you, it's
about us and the biggest.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Problem I see with a lot of the young players today.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You guys are making it too much about.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I and me, or because of social media, because of
branding and all that. It's fine, you're not going to win.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion, and I was thinking about that this morning.
There's a difference between being a star and a champion.
But here's the thing about college football now. The top
quarterbacks are all stars. Bill Parcells used to say, don't
draft a celebrity quarterback. I mean, the Texas Longhorns have
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two of them. How do you not draft a celebrity quarterback? Nil?
The explosion of the Big ten in the SEC this year,
where you've added huge programs into already solid to strong conferences.
Caleb Williams made four to five million dollars nil. He
played in LA. He's all over national commercials. They're all stars.
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It didn't used to be that way, but I think
everybody's gonna have to kind of reboot how they look
at star quarterbacks now. Shadere Sanders leans into Shadeur Sanders.
Arch Manning has eight Instagram posts, five or six are
with teammates. He's more about the team he understands a
little bit. His last name. He's going to low play
(39:40):
slow play as Instagram Shadeur is going to go into Shedur.
That's fine. I don't really care. But the point being
is it is really hard these days for a twenty
two year old kid to come into NFL, especially Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Oregon, Washington, Georgia.
(40:00):
Next year's top quarterback could be Georgia Dion Sanderson Shoulder.
They're all stars. Didn't used to be that way. They're
all stars in college now and this is going to
explode because the executives at this company Washington, Oregon, USC,
UCLA to the Big Ten is going to amplify that
conference even more. You're going to have an increase ten
(40:24):
to fifteen to twenty percent in ratings in the Big Ten.
And they were already good Texas Oklahoma to the SEC.
That will fortify those ratings. So these kids are going
to get richer, bigger, more prominent, be more star driven
coming out of college than ever before. It is just
a reality of the sport. The culture's gonna change. They're
(40:46):
going to come in with money, more leverage, stronger opinions,
and I think nflgms are going to have to sit
down and sort of reboot how you think about the
quarterback position. They're going to come in, they're going to
have a brand, they're going to have a net worth.
I mean, if you think Caleb Williams this year making
(41:06):
four million, if you think that's the top end, you
are mistaken. Ohio State, Georgia, bamat these Texas. They're going
to get in the bidding wars. You're going to have
college quarterbacks making more than most backups very soon. Hour
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for making us part of your day. Nick Wright, Byron
Scott bo stopping by today Boston Celtics Eastern Conference Championship.
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Here we go against the Pacers. Looks like a mismatch.
I think it's a mismatch. We'll get to that in
five minutes. Jamac You know I come to work every morning.
I m staff lays out, the team lays out a
bunch of stories, and a lot of them are about
quarterbacks wanting to get paid, get paid, OTAs tua dak as.
A lot of that talk right now, and I want
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to do addressing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Go jeez, here, we got everybody wants to get paid,
right yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Can you blame them don't blame them at all. So
there's a lot of stories about is Jordan love Packer's
gonna get paid, is Tua gonna get paid, Trevor Lawrence
getting paid? Jared Goff just got paid. And I was
thinking about this because the Celtics Larry Bird, the Larry
Bird exception. I'm gonna get to this in a second,
but I'll make I'll twist it all together. So if
you were gonna pay quarterbacks based on four factors, and
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I think most of us would agree on the four factors,
which is are you productive? Are you highly productive? Do
you have success? Does your team win and win in
the postseason? This isn't baseball. You gotta win games when
it matters, not just compile stats. Are you reliable? Are
you healthy? Are you available? And number four is do
you have leverage every negotiation. I don't care if you're
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an attorney, a doctor, a quarterback, a landscaper. If you
got leverage, you get more money. And if I had
to take every quarterback in the league based on those four,
Mahomes is the highest paid guy in the league. Josh
Allen is two. And by number three we can argue
I love Lamar Jackson. I'd probably put him there, but
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health concerns. He get hurt and he hasn't been great
in the playoffs. Joe Burrow, Yeah, but he can't stay healthy.
Justin Herbert talented, but hasn't won enough TUA concussions. Let's
be honest about that. It's a concern. Jalen Hurts. What
has he done without Shane Steich and he's had one
illy ear of production. I love Matt Stafford, but he's
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getting older and he gets dinged up a lot. Kyler
Murray talent, Yes, commitment, mah. Trevor Lawrence another guy I like,
but he's not as good as I thought or as
most people thought. He's good, not special, at least so far.
In fact, I could make an argument though he's not flashy,
and you'll push back that. Number three. In terms of
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those four, let's look at those four again productive team
and playoff success, health and reliability and leverage. Number three
could be Jared Goff laugh all you want, ver Ozoh
is hurt. Goff's been to a super Bowl, lost to
and never is so what do you do well? This
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is where dak is interesting, is that one of the
toughest decisions in the league. Is Dak when he's healthy,
you can win ten to eleven games. When he's healthy
five hundred or better. He would have a market, no question.
The Raiders would take him tomorrow if he was available.
And the truth is, Jerry Jones is petrified of being irrelevant.
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Jerry's ego feeds on relevance. Dak's your quarterback. He's upright irrelevant.
What do you do with him? His record is seventy
three and forty one. So in the NBA they have
something called the Bird exception, and there's several There's the
early Bird exception. There's a lot of them. What it
means is named after Larry Bird, that you can resign
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your free agents, your free agents if they've been with
you for three years, and it can go over the cap.
But it's called the Bird exception. In the NFL, here's
my new name. It's called the Dak dilemma. If you're
a football team that has a good quarterback, but he
fills those four boxes, he's productive, the team wins an
(04:36):
occasional playoff win. He's reliable, mostly healthy, and has tremendous leverage.
The NBA's got the Bird exception. The NFL has the
Dak dilemma. What do you do when a quarterback mostly
fills those four boxes, but he's good and you have
to pay him great money. You will become exactly what
(05:00):
the Cowboys have been under Dak, relevant and never elite.
What you can't be in this league is chaotic at quarterback,
and I think that's what makes the Dak Prescott situation.
He's got the leverage, he is productive, he's mostly healthy,
and when he is, they win. You'd like him to
(05:22):
win more in the playoffs, but I'd like Lamar Jackson
to win more in the playoffs. I'd like Josh Allen
to win more in the playoffs. The Dak dilemma is
real and it's what half the teams in this league
are facing. You cannot be special when you pay a
good quarterback great money. And once again, I think the
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Cowboys will be trapped. So tonight the Boston Celtics, I mean,
the playoffs for them really begin or do they begin
in two weeks in the finals, They're a big favorite tonight.
Indiana is a bad defensive team. This is a tough
match for the Pacers. And I saw a story this
morning and I've touched on this before are the Celtics
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going to officially become the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly
and now Josh Allen Always good, never special, no trophies.
So we are in year seven of Tatum and Jalen
Brown playing together. Brown came into the league eight years ago,
Tatum seven seven years playing together. What we know is
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indisputable is they are a dominant Eastern Conference team, sort
of like dominating the Pac Twelve for most of the
last thirty years. They're a dominant Eastern Conference team, far
and away the weaker conference. They've had three head coaches
in seven years, one trip to the finals, and they
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dominate a really weak side of the league. They do
not have an Alpha score like Luca, they do not
have a dominating front line like Minnesota or a defense
player like Rudy Gobert. But they've got chemistry, they're cohesive,
they get a long they win a lot. The strangest
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part about the Celtics, and maybe it's not strange at all,
is that they don't do things that historically great champions
have done. They're very mediocre at home in the playoffs
five hundred over the last four years, and that's against
mostly the East. They don't have a demanding, aggressive, dominant
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number one scorer who wants the ball, seeks it, and
demands it in crisis. And we also don't know if
they have a great coach capable yes, good, I'm not sure. Essentially,
these Celtics are the opposite of Michael Jordan's dynastic Chicago Bulls.
We love the coach, the demanding score, the true leader,
(07:53):
and hard to beat it home. These Celtics are the opposite.
But in an era of very good teams like Denver
and Minnesota, Boston is a very very good team. I
think they'll be the proverbial hot knife through butter against
the defenseless Pacers. I think they'll go to the finals.
(08:15):
They need two things in the finals. Porzingis has to
be healthy. You're not beating Minnesota or Dallas without Porzingis.
You gotta have size. Horford's not gonna cut it. You
can't just shoot your way to win night after night.
And the other thing is their path has been so easy,
and it will be against the Pacers. Should be a sweeper,
(08:38):
a gentleman's sweep. It's not rigorous enough to test them.
Their first test will be in the finals. But my
guess is we've had teams that have won that haven't
been great Kawhai's Raptors, Dirk's Mavericks, and that's probably what
this is. We've put that in a nachalon. We've put
them in a nachalon. They they just don't really deserve.
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They don't have the alpha score, they don't have the
frontline wall at the rim. Porzingis is often hurt, not sure.
I like their coach, and they're at best solid at home,
never special in the playoffs. Here's Jalen Brown, one of
their two stars, part of the seven year tandem, asking
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why should we expect anything different from this team from
last year's team.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Curious to know what you feel this team has that
maybe the previous five did not, and getting over.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The hump more experience, got a couple guys added to
the mix. We a lot older than some of those
previous experiences. Everybody loves to say it's the same thing,
same team, but like each and every year, we've grown.
Each and every year we've learned. Each and every year
we've gotten older, mature, and this is it's a different mix.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well tonight they are a what twelve to twelve and
a half point favorite at home against the Pacers. Probably
take the points, but I think the games will be
in the high one twenties. Every time they have played
this year, That's what the games look like. I suspect
we'll get more of it. I'll give Indiana a win,
but I think the Celtics will again find themselves in
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the finals untested and probably looking at Minnesota, not Dallas,
though both will be favored. I really believe both Minnesota
and Dallas when they come out of a six or
seven game series, will look like the better, more tested team,
deeper team than Boston. And I'm not sure. I listen
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to two different pods yesterday at various times. I'll take
Minnesota over Dallas. But I think what we're doing we're
not measuring in, We're not baking in how bad the
East is. And I think when you watch Minnesota Dallas
and you watch the quality of depth and physicality and
size and scoring and kind of dynamic players, it will
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look like a different and sport. So don't be fooled
by Boston rolling to wins because Indiana is an atrocious
defensive team. Atrocious and j Mack I saw something this
morning that came down. Now, last year you tried to
talk me into the New Orleans Saints. I bit a little.
(11:20):
I think it was last year I tried to talk
you into the Rams. I got that one right. So
this year you're trying to talk me into the Jets,
and I'm not there. I am trying to talk you
once again into the Rams as a super Bowl team.
But an interesting, interesting number has come down in the Jets,
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and I don't buy it for a second. I think
everybody's being fooled.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Just one number, that's it. That's only just one number.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's it. I am shocked by what has developed in
the Desert DraftKings sportsbook, all the sports.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I have a good finger on the pulse of New
York teams. Remember two years ago was the Giants. We
were hyping the Giants with Dable in year one and they.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Go to the playoffs. We were like, we called it
cast the win total over.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
If the Jets are in the NFC AFC Championship game,
I would not be surprised at all.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Super Bowl mild surprise, but I think that's like the
Floor is winning the division.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
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Nick Right, former Laker coach Byron Scott, toponext hour in
order one through ten, the ten best players remaining in
the postseason. Did you see this? J Maackett was fascinating.
Of the top fifteen contracts in the league, one remains
Rudy Gobert, which tells you the young players in the
league are taking it over. The old guys can't stay healthy,
make a lot of money. The young guys, though, are
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performing at a high level. And it's a lot of
young guys left. So Pacers are young, Celtics are semi
young outside of Andrew Holliday's not young, Al Horford's not.
Dallas feels young, Minnesota feels a little in between. Mike
Conley makes them a little older. But of the top
fifteen salaries, one Rudy Gobert remains, which is remarkable. But
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I saw this number. I gotta admit every year one
of my favorite things to do in football college are
pro is the future bets. So last year I was
big on the Rams. They're better than Vegas things. We
got that right. The year before I was big on
the Minnesota Vikings. I said, this is a really good team.
So a couple of years in a row. Last year
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J Mack was heavy on the Saints. I bought in,
big mistake. So this year, a couple of teams I like,
couple of teams I don't. I don't get the Jet stuff,
mostly because I have eyes and I've watched it for
ten years. But Draftking Sportsbook, this is crazy to me.
The Jets are currently favorites in fourteen games this year.
(14:01):
They open with San Francisco, so that's one of the
ones they're not They will be favored in all but
two games the rest of the way, So take a
deep breath. There are three things I like about the
Jets and about three things you have to watch for,
so let's be positive. Here's the three good things. The
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schedule pretty workable and especially easy early, so get that
New York media off your bat. Crazy impulsive owner, get
him off your back after a disastrous season, they could
potentially get to a nice optimistic start. The second good
thing Belichick's out of the division. He owned the Jets
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for two and a half decades. He's out of the division.
He's out of the sport and number three is their
defensive personnel's good, so they should be in games. They
don't have to win by shootouts. AFC is a great
quarterback conference. They have a more than fi forrmonable defense,
a defensive head coach. They'll be in games. Here's three
things where you have to be a grown up and realistic.
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Josh Allen's the best quarterback in terms of overall talent
in the league, and he's owned the division since he
came into the league. He's right in his prime. Number
two is the O line is rebuilt, but players are
mostly old past their prime or young and not there yet.
Very few elite offensive linemen as in zero in their prime.
And the head coach is on the hot seat. He's
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a defensive coach. And it's a relentless media and an
impulsive owner. Promising becomes a tire fire an annual basis
in New York. Aaron Rodgers add to that, is still
doing wacky podcasts as he lectures teammates on don't talk
about anything other than winning football. Get away from anything
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that doesn't connect with winning football. As Aaron continues to
do wacky podcasts, He's also now forty and out of
his prime. The last time we saw him start a
full season twenty twenty two, his passer rating was ninety
one in a weaker conference and his record was eight
and nine in a weaker conference. Nathaniel Hackett, a bottom
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five offensive coordinator, is still calling plays against sala a
defensive coaches on the hot seat. This team screams eight
and nine or nine and eight and for the record
nine to eight over the last ten to twelve years
would be a great season for the Jets. But three
things I look at, head coach, quarterback, and organizational stability.
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I have questions with all of them. DraftKings apparently does not.
They'll be favored in fourteen games. The hype train is loaded.
Put your seat belt on because December and January at
Miami at Jacksonville McVeigh and the Rams at Buffalo Miami again,
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it is a rough five game stretch to close. Niners
tough early, fairly soft for the next six to seven weeks.
Jets once again at the top of the league food
chain in terms of hype. Jmack with a news no, no,
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this is.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The herd line news.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
No one of us is going to be correct, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Nathaniel Hacketts still call and plays.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
He's irrelevant, totally irrelevant.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Now, if Aaron Rodgers goes down, obviously Jets aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
We know that.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
But if he's healthy, there's no reason to think they're
not an eleven twelve win team.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I cannot we were in fourteen games. I just gave
you three reasons. But you know it should be noted
when you get a great quarterback Peyton Manning, Mahomes, Brady,
Josh Allen, they do dominate their division until they're way
out of their prime. Big Ben dominated the Browns and
Bengals forever.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Is Rogers still in his prime?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
God no, God no. We saw him in Green Bay
two years ago he was a ninety quarterback rating guy
in a much weaker conference.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And three years ago he was the MVP oft League.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, that three years is a lot when you come
off an achilles surgery and have been banged up.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
There Aaron's grinder, though, he's putting in the world.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Okay, you know, aside from the darkness for truth, let's
get started here, coward. Let's go to the Atlanta Falcons,
who are going to be a big talking point all season.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I hope people are ready for the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Obviously, Kirk Cousins is their new quarterback unless you know
Michael Pennix starts.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But Cousins, coming off the torn.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Achilles last season, says he's sufficiently healed and ready for action.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I'm baby.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I've told people for a while.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
That if the Super Bowl were today, I'm playing, And
that goes back probably I think when I first got here,
I was working out and we got maybe a week
or two into my rehab and I did some drills
where I said, hey, if the super Bowl were today,
I'm playing. You know, once that tendon gets stabilized and
healed and the tissue connects, you really just are trying
to work through telling your body that you're good now
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because the brain still wants to guard and protect and
it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Atlanta's gonna win that division. In all the Michael Pennix doubters,
the Kirk Cousin critics are gonna be sitting back watching them.
There's a team that could win twelve games.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, the schedules, it's a joke.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Twelve and five is not out of the possibility for them.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
So just to work clear, you know, get the prediction
on on the books. We both like the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
This year to win the division.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
One of us just doesn't like the process of the
quarterback situation because it's putting undue pressure on Cousins. Yeah,
and Pennix is probably unhappy. He's got to be ticked
off off bone Nicks. I beat that guy twice last
week better than him, bon Nicks and go start.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And I'm gonna wait too to find a football team
where everybody is happy a.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
First round pick. Most first round picks are playing.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Pennick's gonna be sitting for two years, splinters in his
butt from the bench.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So did my mom monk one one year for a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, that's well, that's probably all.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Mobs knew it likes pro.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
This is one of these where years and years ago,
when the Lakers had to break up Kobe and Shack,
I knew keeping Kobe was the right move. I had
good contacts within the Lakers. He played harder, he practiced harder,
and that Shaq was distracted. But I knew for about
a year or two I had to eat a dirt
sandwich because Shaq was going to a Miami team that
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was going to dominate and then Kobe had to find
his next great player at was palgas Hal. I know
I'm right on this Atlanta thing. It's just going to
take a year to prove that I'm right, which is
having too many good quarterbacks is not a problem. It's
like paying too much. It's like saying, you know, I
paid a lot in taxes. Okay, it's not ideal. You'd
rather not pay a lot in taxes, but it means
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you made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I can't ride with that analogy. Anyways. The Kobe Shack
was interesting. I was on the other side.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Now, I was a young, dumb idiot, and I thought
it was the dumbest thing ever to get rid of Shack.
And I wasn't out here. I was on the East Coast,
so I didn't know the Kobe stuff that he got.
He was amazing and gonna be next, and You're right.
For two years, I was like, oh, Shack, Shack. I
was right, and then obviously I was way wrong. The
Pennix one's different because we know the NFL's shelf life
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for a quarterback is not as long as an NBA
player like Kobe Bryant had like a fifteen year run
in the roast. Kirk Cousins maybe has a few years
left right, three four times.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I think Kirk is going to have a really, really
good year. Then he's going to have a market. And
somebody like the Raiders who can't get Dack because Jerry
resigns him, and can't get Tua because Miami resigns him,
and the Las Vegas Raiders are gonna say Antonio Pierce
bad first year, fourth place is gonna say, get me
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a veteran quarterback. So Kirk is gonna have a market.
The team that wants him will pay some of the contract.
Michael Pennix will be in and having sat like Mahomes
for one year. So Cousins is gonna win the division.
He'll have a big market. Somebody will buy some of
the contract. But I will double down. I will die
on this hill. What you don't want to be his
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quarterback light, what I'll be every day as quarterback heavy.
I don't have to love either of the Steelers quarterbacks.
They've got two that can start and play and win.
I'll take that any day over what happened last year
where the Vikings had to make a trade for Josh
Dobbs back two days later. Yeah, that's what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, all right, well maybe in three years if the
show is still happening. You know, we're still teammates, you
can you can brag about the dub.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
There.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Let's move on to the NFC South. Bryce Young had
a brutal rookie season. Yeah, a lot of people are out,
like totally out on him, which I feel is a
little bit harsh. However, this year he has a new
offense and new head coach, Dave Kanalis, who's something of
a quarterback whisper. He was hired after the Great Tess
with Baker Mayfield and before that Juno Smith and Seattle,
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and Dave can Alis likes what he sees so far
from Bryce.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Young, he's doing fantastic with it, you know. And the
way that we do it is part to whole really.
So as we teach our concepts, you know, just for
an example, Okay, so we say we have a past concept, right,
We're not going to use six different formations today to
run this concept. It becomes something really well, really good
that we're effective at. We'll start to build it out.
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So for us, the formations are pretty vanilla so that
we can just teach the concept and what we want
out of each route, the depth of footwork for Bryce,
for Andy, for Jack, you know, and so that's the
that's the approach right now, so as I expect him
to do, he's really mastering that part of it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean, I really thought the coach didn't work.
The old line was bad. They had the worst receiving
core in the league. I think this feels like his
rookie year. He'll have a fair shake by the way
he and Will Levis, we will know by Thanksgiving if
they're the guy. Both major upgrades around them. So I'm
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higher on Bryce Young than Will Levis, but both now
have an offensive coach, both have better weapons. Levis has
great weapons. We will know by Thanksgiving. You'll have a
feel if Will Levis and Bryce Young are the guy.
My take is Bryce Young is going to be very effective,
not great, but very effective. And Will Levis the shortcomings
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you saw in college, the interceptions, the judgment will surface again.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So this would be a deep sleeper in the NFC
for me to be a wildcard team Carolina. So have
you seen their scope position, Guys, it is so much
of an upgrade. Deontay Johnson obviously for Pittsburgh is good.
They drafted Leget the wide receiver who wild was. I
had him in my first round a couple months.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Massive athlete. But here's where it gets interesting. They're running backs.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
They drafted the Kid Brooks, who's supposed to be maybe
the best back in the draft. But they have Chuba Harbard,
Miles Sanders, Rashad Pennies are four string running back. Yeah,
this team's going to look a lot this year, and
if the offensive line is just a little better, they
were futrid. I'm just this team, could you know, somehow
get eight wins now? I don't know if we could
put this Panther schedule on the screen with Probably maybe not,
But there's a chance they get off to a decent
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start here at New Orleans early.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We don't know how we feel about the same.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, now, Carolina is one of those teams that nobody
really will pay any attention to them. But the truth
is this will finally, Bryce Young will have a fair shot.
They should have a fairly consistent run game. You've got
a young, progressive offensive coach, they actually have weapons. Last
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year just wasn't fair. It's not fair to bail.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Off Adam Thielen was their number.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Like by the way Will Levis last year, you got
to give the guy a second year. But this is
very smart. This is what the Bears are doing, what
Carolina is doing, and what Tennessee really did is we're
going to load up with skill players. So that will
tell us by Thanksgiving this year if you're the right guy.
If not, then you start you redraft the quarterback. And
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this is what Chicago has done with Caleb Williams. We're
gonna know, We're gonna know by Thanksgiving. Rookie year for
Caleb Williams, this is gonna be special because there's no
excuses with Chicago. They got nothing but skilled players.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Or the head coaching situation.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But you'll know if he's I don't care if they
win or lose. If you're watching Caleb and he's going
twenty four for thirty two, two touchdowns, no picks and
running for eighty yards, you got the right course. I
don't care if they win six games. That was problem
with justin fields, major turnovers, not healthy bat in the fourth,
hot and cold. I don't need Caleb Williams to win
nine games. I just need to see, is that the.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Guy so Panthers go at Saints versus the Chargers. Chargers
have to go cross country, not easy early in the season,
and then at the Raiders. There's a world where Carolina
starts out two to one, and that's that's gonna be
huge for Bryce Young, who basically just got crapped on
all season last year by everybody and their mom final story,
we go to the NBA and the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
The hunt for the new head coach continues.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
According to Scham's Sharania, Lebron is not involved in the
shirt search and has made it clear that this is
the organization's decision. Shams adds that Lebron has had no
conversations with the Lakers about JJ Reddick and has had
no conversations with Reddick about the job either.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I will let you take it away from here.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
A lot of cynicism regarding that it leaked yesterday that
Anthony Davis, who is viewed as the future of the franchise,
has more pull. A lot of cynicism. I'm not a
fan of cynicism. I do believe Lebron is more concerned
about getting that final contract than he is about the coach.
I really do. I think Lebron.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
You believe Lebron is not one conversation with the Lakers
about a head.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh, I think they probably sat that probably got him
on the phone and called. But I think Lebron's primary
issue right now is him getting that contract and watching
what happens to his son. Lebron's run through coaches. It's
Anthony Davis's team going forward. Anthony last year was more
consistently available and productive.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Anthony Davis's team.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
You think Anthony Davis is saying anything in a huddle,
You think he's pounding the clippard.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No, you think he's doing he doesn't do that well.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I think Anthony has made it clear through his representatives
Clutch Sports, that Darvin Ham was not it. Remember these
guys talked through their agents, and so I think Anthony
through Clutch Sport made it clear, like I'm out on
Darbin Ham.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's what I don't like, Colin.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know, it's all these that's all.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
These people who say this isn't it, this isn't working.
This is my guy, all right, wall for a solution,
Who you got.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Give me a name on ad who you got the NBA?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And I've I'm comfortable with it. Has always been a
player's league. It was a players league back in seventies.
Back in the early eighties, it was a Magic Johnson
ran off a coach Michael liked Doug Collins. They had
to do better the bottom line. It's always been a
player's league because you don't have many starters and one
or two players have significant impact on the bottom line.
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So that's just you got to come clear with it.
I do believe that Lebron has probably made his feelings
known through Rich Paul, But I also think this really
comes down to Lebron saying I want to get my
final contract, I can't wait and to see where my
son is drafted. I'm a step a little clear of
this stuff because I don't believe. I think Lebron is
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smart enough to know there's not an A plus candidate
on the market. There's not a young Phil Jackson, there's
not a spolster, there's not a curve JJ Reddick's interesting,
he's interesting, but there's not an So Lebron would be
pushing for somebody that's a B to a B minus prospect.
As a coach, there is no A on the market,
So why I mean, if I was pushing for somebody
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at this network, and it was a series of c people.
How hard am I going to push? Because then you
ruin your own REPUTATIONE If there was an a prospect
on the market, and I thought, boy, that's a guy,
that's a person I want. There is no a prospect
on the market, So Lebron's not going to sell his
brand and bulldozed Genie Buss for a b prospect.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
The idea that Lebron heading into probably his final NBA
contract certainly is having no say on who.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The days, be careful about, be careful about come on,
be careful about. No say. I don't think he's strident.
I don't think he's demonstrative. I don't think he is
overbearing him having an opinion. What do you think? I'll
give you a possible scenario that Lebron told let's just
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say Rich Paul, and I think Lebron would say this, listen, man,
this is gonna be this is gonna be a D's
team going forward. You know, I like JJ, but I'm
I don't want that out there. I don't want to
make the final call. They can make it. I think
that's saying something, but that's not forcing the issue.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
So Donovan Mitchell's in Cleveland, right, He's not gonna be
a Laker.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I understand that. So, but the Cabs are in a
tough spot. Do they fire their coach or keep it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
They're definitely going to Donovan Mitchell being like, yo, hey,
what do you think about Vickerstaff?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do we want to keep it?
Speaker 5 (31:00):
And I know Donovan Mitchell is probably like, guys, I
don't even know if I want Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But you have to ask your stars what Davan Mitchell
is in his prime for the next six years.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Lebron's an All NBA player, Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
One step out the door, this is his final deal. Again,
depending on their stars are different. Jason Tatum, I would
ask Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, Luca and.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I'm not expecting them to give answers, but at least
seek input from them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They're the superstars, They're the franchise. You've got to go
to the superstars. I just can't believe anybody's pushing back agsist.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
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Yee uh, and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I was looking at something else. I don't know why
I was in this mood yesterday. When I was a kid,
I used to read the box scores every night, sporting news,
and I was somebody that followed the baseballs. I've always
been fascinated with, like RBI leaders batting average, team batting
average in Major League Baseball. I don't know why this is,
but it is twelve teams in baseball hit under two
to thirty five. Almost half the sport hits under two
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to thirty five. There's about four teams that can hit.
Yankees and the Dodgers can hit. There's a few other teams,
but man, there's there are a lot of one, two,
three innings in baseball, So this is interesting. The Wolves,
Rudy go Bear defensive Player of the Year multiple times.
He stops everybody except Yokitch is the only NBA player
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on a top fifteen contract to make the conference finals.
This is crazy. So my guess is the NBA's getting
younger and better and more international, and a lot of
these old guys can't stay healthy. So and I think
about this a lot. There's very few bad contracts in
the NFL because you can get out of them because
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the draft. The NFL draft supplies you on an annual
basis with so many good players seven rounds, plenty of
undrafted free agents get signed, whereas the NBA draft is
really nobody comes in and can play immediately. Like Wemby's
an outlier, Luke is an outlier. Almost no domestic players
can help you at all initially. An occasional international star
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can do it very occasionally. So what happens is in
the NBA as a general manager, you don't get any
help in the draft. You have to take big swings
because of that, and there's sort of a fear based
mechanism at work where if you get a star. Let's
take the Clippers for instance. They're in LA, they don't
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have any historical relevance, they're playing second fiddle to the Lakers.
They're opening up a new arena. Steve Balmer spent a
fortune on that, and they need some rock stars to
open it. So they give Kawhi an extension, even though
he plays about sixty percent of the games, and you
don't have any idea three in the afternoon on game
day if he's gonna suit up or not, you're trapped.
The NFL doesn't get into that. We were talking about
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this this morning. They're bad contracts all over the NBA.
Somebody's gonna pay Klay Thompson twenty five to thirty million
a year. That's a bad contract. It's hard to find
terrible contracts in the NFL. Daniel Jones is not good.
Fear based owner made the decision. Deshaun Watson. I wouldn't
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want him on my franchise, but it's a perpetually poorly
run and impulsive owner poor franchise, so they guaranteed it
bad contract. The only other contract I look at and
WinCE and I don't blame the franchise is Denver with
Russell Wilson. But they didn't have a quarterback in a
division with Patrick Mahomes and Herbert. It was the AFC.
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Russell had come off. He may not have been in
his prime, but he had one hundred passer rating with
a defensive coach. So let's get him an offensive coach,
bring him to Denver and give them some stuff. I
can't qualify that as a as a that's just a
big swing that didn't work. It's not a bad contract.
They took a swing and in Russell last year got
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all the blame, but it was the Broncos defense that
was bottom third of the league. The offense was fine,
it was okay, it was middle of the pack. So
but it's different if thirty two NFL teams a couple
of atrocious Daniel Jones, Deshaun Watson, a couple of atrocious contracts,
you can cut guys. In the NFL, the collective bargaining
has a very weak union. In the NBA, the players
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have all the power. It's the players league. But it
is pretty remarkable when you start looking at these players
that aren't in the conference finals. A lot of them
it's injuries. Embiid Lebron's older Bradley Beal, Durant, Dame, Giannis Kawhi,
Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Clade Thompson, Anthony Davis has an
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injury history and in almost every case the team would
resign them because you get nothing from the draft where
you get your stars, where you're gonna get your players,
there's nothing in the draft. This year's draft, you have
two kids from France, people like a lot, couple of
Connecticut Huskies, a kid from Kentucky. None will have an
immediate impact in the league. Wemby did, but the team
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was atrocious. Luca did at least scoring, but that's about it.
And so it's much harder to be a general manager
in the NBA. The draft doesn't give you anything that
can win immediately. You don't get a lot of video.
Let's be honest. Most of the college guys are all
one and done. The international guys, you cross your fingers.
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But you know, nflgms have a great draft if they
make a mistake. I mean, good god. This year, how
many quarterbacks were drafted in the first round? Six and
I think like five of them feel like four to
five of them feel like it would be hard for
them to fail. So here, I want to play a
byte from yesterday. Tom Brady or Jay Z and Tom
(38:00):
Ready apparently met with Michael Rubin, who's this founder and
CEO of Fanatics, the sports apparel company, and Brady was
talking about as he sat down with a lot of
young quarterbacks and young people. His message from Tom to
the kids, when you're fifty three guys on the team
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and you think it's about you and about you, it's
about us and the biggest.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Problem I see with a lot of the young players today.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You guys are making it too much about.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I and me, or because of social media, because of
branding and all that. It's fine, you're not going to win.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion, and I was thinking about that this morning.
There's a difference between being a star and a champion.
But here's the thing about college football now. The top
quarterbacks are all stars. Bill Parcells used to say, don't
draft a celebrity quarterback. I mean, the Texas Longhorns have
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two of them. How do you not draft a celebrity quarterback? Nil?
The explosion of the Big ten in the SEC this year,
where you've added huge programs into already solid to strong conferences.
Caleb Williams made four to five million dollars nil. He
played in LA. He's all over national commercials. They're all stars.
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It didn't used to be that way, but I think
everybody's gonna have to kind of reboot how they look
at star quarterbacks now. Shadere Sanders leans into Shadeur Sanders.
Arch Manning has eight Instagram posts, five or six are
with teammates. He's more about the team he understands a
little bit. His last name. He's going to low play
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slow play as Instagram Shadeur is going to go into Shedur.
That's fine. I don't really care. But the point being
is it is really hard these days for a twenty
two year old kid to come into NFL, especially Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Oregon, Washington, Georgia.
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Next year's top quarterback could be Georgia Dion Sanderson Shoulder.
They're all stars. Didn't used to be that way. They're
all stars in college now and this is going to
explode because the executives at this company Washington, Oregon, USC,
UCLA to the Big Ten is going to amplify that
conference even more. You're going to have an increase ten
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to fifteen to twenty percent in ratings in the Big Ten.
And they were already good Texas Oklahoma to the SEC.
That will fortify those ratings. So these kids are going
to get richer, bigger, more prominent, be more star driven
coming out of college than ever before. It is just
a reality of the sport. The culture's gonna change. They're
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going to come in with money, more leverage, stronger opinions,
and I think nflgms are going to have to sit
down and sort of reboot how you think about the
quarterback position. They're going to come in, they're going to
have a brand, they're going to have a net worth.
I mean, if you think Caleb Williams this year making
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four million, if you think that's the top end, you
are mistaken. Ohio State, Georgia, bamat these Texas. They're going
to get in the bidding wars. You're going to have
college quarterbacks making more than most backups very soon. Hour
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