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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, our number three On a Wednesday, Chris Brussar
This hour Tomorrow's headlines Today from Jmac, Who's firing shots
at me today? He didn't like that Tatum segment or
I think I was very reasonable segment. If you base
a quarterback on I'll pay for a higher ceiling. I'm
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not paying for a lower floor. It's almost like it's
like Dax become like a high yield savings account. I
can get my three and a half percent. It's safe,
but I'm not retiring early. Like there's things I'm safe
with my four oh one K. There's there's certain places
in my life. I'm not gonna spend a lot of
money on cars. I'm not, you know, but there are
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other places like if I go on vacation, yeah, I'm
gonna spend a lot. I want to get a lot,
And I think quarterbacks all spend a lot, but I
gotta get a lot. I'm not interested in playing it
safe at quarterback. I'm gonna take big swings, kind of
how I look at a vacation. We're gonna go Bora, Bora.
It's gonna be exp I'll make it up on the
other end. But and then there's other things. You know,
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a lot of stuff in my life that I'll just
pay for average, and I don't need the even close
to the best. But I you know, I'm not gonna
skimp on vacations or quarterbacks, but I'm paying for great.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So GoF fifty three.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Where would you go for Dak fifty again?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I got a guy that's gone to two NFC championships,
in a Super Bowl, and a guy who has two
playoff wins and in seven playoff games he's been great
in one that that that Tampa game. So the problem
because and I think it's closer to the this isn't
gonna happen. But if we're sizing stuff up here, Goff
never gets hurt. Gof's a better peer thrower. God's gonna
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have the advantage of a great O line.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't disagree with someone.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think Goff I said this yesterday. Take out Mahomes
and Josh Allen. If the four boxes to check for
a quarterback are production, winning, health slash reliability, you know,
team success, winning, health and reliability, and then leverage. After
Mahomes and Allen, you get into a Jared Goff. I
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mean because Brow and Lamar had been hurt, Herbert hasn't won,
Jalen Hurts has one great year. Dak just doesn't have
December January wins. No January wins.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What's the game plan? You don't want to pay him
fifty fine?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
If you don't want to pay him forty seven fine,
then Dak says I'm done here?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Then you know I do and Dak could I'll tell
you right somewhere else the Raiders would pay him fifty million.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Somebody will pay Dak.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But then what do you do? Do you go with
my guy Cooper Rush? Do you okay?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You drive?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Here's my argument? What am I getting with Dak?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, we're p past it, We're over Dak. Dak is
gone right here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You don't want to pay it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What is the future game plan? Jerry Jones eighty seven
years old.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He wants to win.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm Jerry Jones. I'm gonna be Jared Jones. Where if
you take a look at what Dak Prescott made off
the field with endorsements, we can make office here in
Dallas locally, nationally that the Jaguars quarterback wouldn't make as
a free agent. How would you like to come to
no state tax? The biggest brand in American sports measure
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tlass cut once or was that Ros Barrow? The point
being is Dallas is a very attractive spot in Atlanta,
a losing culture got Kirk Cousins. You gotta be kidding,
I mean, Denver got Russell Will you can make stuff happen.
My point is, and that was a trade. My point
is Dallas is very attractive, no state tax, weaker, NFC
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always good players in Dallas. I mean the Cowboys draft
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I guess we got to see what quarterbacks are going
to be free agents that you can entice with playing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
With a star on your helmet, you know, I was like, hey,
you get to play.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
In my lifetime, in my entire lifetime. I grew up
first with Roger Staubauch. He was good, and then and
the order can get lost. I think it was Danny
White in the Arizona State. He was really good, solid,
he was solid. Okay. Then it is Troy Aikman, He's
an all timer, excellent, and then bled Saw they kind
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of there's a little transition, but then they end up
with Tony Romo B plus absolutely, then they get back.
This is not an organization that struggled at quarterback. There
are certain organizations. Green Bay usually gets it right. Dallas
has mostly had good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Are all those guys homegrown? Like I'm pretty sure maybe
Romo was an undrafted.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Foot I have you heard of the draft? You can
do that too, Okay, fine, good.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Good luck, go fish in the draft where quarterback hit
rate is forty percent out of the first round.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And Dallas is a pretty good drafting team. Pretty good
drafting team.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And eleven wins eleven wins? Eleven wins too?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
What am i?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
My point is what am I getting again? Again?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You get eleven wins and a chance to contend in
the NFC. You don't want eleven wins, you'd rather have seven.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And here's what's funny with Kirk cousins. We just pushed back.
Can't pay Kirk. Dak and Kirk are virtually the exact
same quarterback, exact same numbers down the line. You're disappointed
in January, but they're good enough to get you in
the playoffs in the regular season. Again, I'll pay for
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the ceiling. Kyler Murray could drive me nuts. Dude can
flat ball. When I watched Jordan Love, I'm like that.
That kid can snap it like that is special stuff.
I'll make a mistake on the ceiling. I'm not over
paying on the floor again. I'll make a mistake paying
for a great vacation. It rains the entire time we're there,
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right Like, I made a mistake, But my intentions were,
we go on one of these a year with the family.
We're going big. We're skiing in Whistler, We're going to
you know wherever, Turks and Caicos. I will eat it.
As a dad, I'll go. I paid for it. I
didn't check the weather. The weather didn't work. The airline's stunk.
But I'm gonna pay for great stuff. You know, for
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a lot of guys, I'm not one of the odd
people pay anything for a car. Transportation if you live
in Los Angeles and you're a salesperson, cars are really valuable.
It's a car culture here. You pay what you're gonna
pay for a car. You'd rather live in a nice
apartment have a great car than vice versa, because you're
in your car all the time. So my take is
you keep saying what are the Cowboys gonna do if
Dak leaves? Well, what are they now? A disappointment every
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year at the end of the season. This isn't baseball.
Who gives a rip about your stats? This is we
don't romanticize regular seasons. Mahomes is the greatatest. He didn't
have the greatest year last year. He hasn't even had
the greatest Super Bowls, but he wins him he wins them.
So again, a top tier quarterback gets you know, I mean,
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like Josh Allen. What am I getting with Josh Allen
one of the greatest quarterback talents of all time? Not
only do you win more than Dak in the postseason,
but he gives you a chance to beat Mahomes in Burrow.
You put Dak on the field with Mahomes and a
Burrough and a Stafford in a big game, It's like
I watch them against Jordan Love, I'm like, this is
this isn't a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Mis Aaroppolo and brock Perty went toe to toe with
Mahomes and both nearly beat him, lost late overtime and
fourth quarter. So let's not act like Dak can't compete
with those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Come on, it's been a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, your standards are pretty low for the Dallas Cowboys.
When you can compete, that's like the Yankees saying, hey,
we can compete with a brave.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
By the way, you're a Portland Northeast guy or northwest guy.
Remember the Dame Lillard CJ. Mccollumyres, those are nights every year.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It didn't didn't. I kept saying they're duplicate players, Dames
the better version.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You went to a conference finals, you were in the playoffs.
One year you were playing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I thought they made a mistake not moving off it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well they did move off both and no games.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But the Blazer and they have a bunch of young talent,
got young talent. But but Portland's not. The Blazers are
not the Cowboys. No state tax, middle of the country,
biggest brand in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But when you got some good rolling, you don't screw
around with it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It feels like that that's interesting. Blow up in their interesting,
and then Jerry goes back.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To the interesting. Alex Smith was a good thing, going
got him to the playoffs like that. By the way,
Goff was a good thing. Going in La Garoppolo was
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They had a plan.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Each of those teams had a plan. What is Dallas's plan?
Tell me, Jerry, Well, you think it's public, I'm not
gonna tell us. There's nobody on them. Nobody's hitting the
market this offseason. Jordan love anybody market, Jordan loves not.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Somebody always hits the market. Dak could hit the market.
Kyler Murray could hit the market. Yeh, Kyler Murray. I
can give you a four to three minute Kyler Murray
YouTube and you're like, oh, that's the ceiling highlights. I'm
just telling you the ceiling for Kyler. And that's been
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in a dysfunctional organization, one of the poorest owners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think Jerry might have forgotten what those lean years
were like.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
He didn't have a lot of twenty twenty to like
Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Cowboys didn't have a lot of lead years.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Ten years. They haven't been to a conferenceipionship game in
like twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, you have a you're you're talking lean. Tony Romo
was always viable. They were always a playoff team. He
just fell apart in his playoff.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know that they were.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All oh, playoffs, playoffs. I'm just saying, I guess my
whole premise here is I'll pay big money for the
ceiling ed, send my kid to Princeton, and if he
doesn't get a good education, or they have protests that
I think are wrong. But I'm taking the swing on
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education or vacation or avocation quarterback, I'm taking a big
swing on certain things. Paper towels, I'll get a discount,
you know what I mean. My car. I'm not a
car guy. I could do a used car a lease. Yeah,
you're asking me. You're asking me to pay for Bora Bora,
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and you're giving me Laughlin, Nevada. I'm not paying.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's brutal dak is Laftland, Nevada. I can't even identify
that on a map. Is that a real city or
you just make that up?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, that's a little hard.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Is that an area fifty one. That's not the state.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The point is, if I'm gonna pay for you know, Paris,
I want Paris, France, not Paris, Texas. You gotta give
me big. If I'm paying big, You know, Jerry, I
don't know what say is this. Here's a great line.
Jared Jones has a great line. Every time I've gotten
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a bargain, that's exactly what I get. I regret not
getting the best you pay for it. But you think
you get a bargain, that's exactly what you get a bargain.
That bargain bin At Blockbuster twenty five years ago, they
weren't giving away Silence of the Lambs, Baby, they weren't
giving away Godfather.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I was the one who said I'm not paying Dak.
I would rather roll with Cooper Rush. You remember that
you opened I remember that take?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Huh? You remember that?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember that take. I was one of the I
had to go upstairs to management and talk about your future.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, listen, I honestly I like Cooper Rush. We saw
him in limiting.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Come on, I'm not paying Dak the top of the
market to fifty I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But the alternative is very bleak. If you don't pay him,
it's not bleak.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, they can go get Desmond Ridder. I don't know. No,
I'm saying Dallas is a very, very attractive place for
quarterbacks to go. It's a young The economy in Dallas
right now is through the roof. It's exploding. It's a
gorgeous stadium, supportive owner, no state tax, massive brand, weaker NFC.
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That's right, Dallas is a wildly attractive place to be
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Didn't Jerry say something like, oh, this is gonna be
off season. We're not saving money, we're spending and then
they did nothing. We're all the free agents who want
to go to Dallas, take a little less, go to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Didn't have any of the state, didn't have any money.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Take less, Ask them to take less, all right, Chris Brussard.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
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Speaker 5 (12:41):
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
Those first things first, joining us live Patrick Mahomes pretty good,
get deep, pretty deep, good get I was surprised by
the Celtics. Last by the Celtics, I didn't think they
needed Porzingis in the series, and then I watched Pascal
Siakam get his way and I thought, yeah, they need
Porzingis in size in this series. I looked at last
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night and I'm like, thought they had it, then they
lost it. Are you shocked that they should have basically
lost that game to Indiana?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I am surprised. Now. Look, the Celtics have exasperated me
for a long time because you just watch them and
you feel like they should be so much better. I'm
not fooled by the sixty four wins. If they were
in the West, they wouldn't have had sixty four wins.
So they played in a weaker conference and they had
a nice regular season. Congratulations, But they should be better.
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And they have five days off Colin Indiana had one
day off coming off an emotional win in Game seven
in New York. The Celtics know we haven't protected home.
We've lost a home game in each of the last
two series this season. We are fifteen and four team
over the last three postseasons at home. Let's re establish
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our home court advantage. You have all of that working
for you, Not to mention you're facing a very young
team that has no idea what it's like to be
in the Eastern Conference finals and you should have lost.
That is not good for the Celtics. Look, I still
think they win the series just based on their talent
and being the better, more experienced team. But they obviously
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should have lost that game last night, but for a
few mistakes by Indiana at the end of the game
they be down one.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, I think maybe Indiana is better than we think
and Boston's not as good as we think. I agree, Yeah,
I think that's that's probably a big part of it.
You know, I got to give Dallas credit. They took
a big swing on Kyrie Bumpy early. Now it's great.
They took two big swings at the trade deadline, and
now they have rim protection. So they match up with
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Minnesota just fine, and they do have the best clos
that series arguably is I'm going to take Minnesota, but
I'm probably giving them too much credit for beating Denver.
You know, I've got it's you know, recent bias, recency bias.
A lot of people like Dallas, where are you on
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this series?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I'm with Minnesota. I'm saying Minnesota in six I wouldn't
be shocked if it goes seven. And about Dallas, what
I felt coming into this series was or this round,
Let's say, if they had met Denver, I would not
have given them hardly any chance. I don't think they
could have beaten Denver, but I do give them a
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shot against Minnesota, just because Minnesota is not as experienced,
their main guy is younger and unlike had they played Denver.
I think Dallas has the best player in the series
in Luka Doncis it's going to look. The thing about Dallas,
and one reason I like Minnesota in the series is
that Dallas Oklahoma City's defense, which is very good, gave
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Dallas some trouble. Okay, Minnesota's defense is not only better
than Okacs, but it's bigger than okay SE's. Like Okaze's
problem is they don't have any size, and they still
were able to give Dallas a lot of trouble. Now,
Minnesota's got not only great perimeter defenders and defense, but
also size, and I think that'll be a big deal.
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But look, anytime you've got Luca, like I said, the
best player in the series and Kyrie, Kyrie's gonna have
to step up now. I think he played a nice
floor game really throughout that series against Oklahoma City, but
his scoring wasn't there. I don't think PJ. Washington is
gonna give you nineteen points a game because Minnesota, unlike OKAC,
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a lot of times, they'll be at to guard Luca
one on one. They won't have to double and trap
and all that. So that'll take away PJ. Washington all
those open three that he was getting in the last round.
So they're going to need Kyrie to be Kyrie. Now,
maybe Colin in the last series, was he pacing himself, Yeah,
saying Okay, I'm gonna pace myself. I've had health problems
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obviously throughout his career, so let me just pace myself
as long as we can win this series and then
go full board in the conference finals. We'll see. But
I like Minnesota, as you said.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So JJ Reddick to the Lakers, My take, it's late
in the process. Anybody you get with Lebron at this
point in his career, you know, the great guy Spolstra, Kerr, Popovich, TIBs,
they're not interested in that job, right, So the top
guys aren't, and the second tier guys, you know, you're
Billy Donovan's I'm Tyler maybe first tier, but your second
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tier guys, there's six or seven of those guys. The
young guy to okay, see Chris Finch. Those guys who
are just a notch below the legends, Well, they don't
want the job. They have good jobs. Jason Kidnaw's qualified
as a very good coach. So and now you're left
with like the third tier guys, which is a longtime
assistant that's never been a coach, or a smart guy
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that was recently a player. JJ Reddick. That's what you're
left with. And some of that is the Lakers don't
pay big money for coaches and Lebron runs through them.
So when people bristle at JJ Reddick, I'm like, well,
you're not getting the legends. You're not going to get
the Chris Finch group is very good. This is what
you're left with, So let's not go crazy on it.
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If it could, Redick be the best of the third group.
But a lot of people are really bristling at this.
How do you feel about Reddick potentially as a coach
of the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, look of the three names that are being Minchiga,
and there are a few more Mike and Noriri, and
you know some of the assistants that are being thrown
out there, but really Sam Kassel, James Morega and JJ Reddick.
I like Kassel best, okay, as you remember, he was
a leader as a player. Ye, he was a very
good play Even though he never made an All Star team,
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he was clearly an all Star caliber player and the
players respect him, both current players and former players. And
so I would give say, and he's paid his dudes,
I think fifteen years as an assistant under some top coaches.
So I like Cassell. But JJ, look the pat Riley talk.
Who knows Colin? This is completely an art, It is
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not a science. Who would have said Steve Nash, who
we know how great he was as not only a
player but intelligent as a player. And you've got the
buy in of your stars Kyrie and Kevin Durant, who
would have said he's gonna fail miserably. You never would
have thought that, Okay, So you just don't. I've heard
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of many guys who were great assistants and people thought
they'd be the next hot thing and they fell flat
on their face as head coaches. So you don't know.
But for Reddick, he obviously is intelligent about the game,
knows the game, and he's to his credit, he's going
on to the other network and he's done a great
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job of explaining the game and debating the game. And
you know, nobody can say, wow, he doesn't sound like
he knows what he's talking about. He does. He also,
Colin has a strong personality, it appears, and that's what
he's going to need. So look, if they want to
give it a try, fine, But one thing, Colin, a
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lot of guys. You look at the guys that were
just pretty good players, role players who would become legendary coaches.
Steve Kerr, pat Riley, Phil Jackson, they generally coach kind
of a generation of players after their playing days. So
they weren't coaching anybody that remembers how mediocre they were.
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You know, they weren't coaching guys that remember I used
to dunk on you, but we hunted you on defense. Dude,
Now you jumping on me for not playing defense, Like
they're gonna be dudes that remember we used to destroy you,
JJ Reddick on the other end of the floor, So
what are you telling me stuff? For Steve Kerr was
like twelve years after his playing career, and you know,
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Phil Jackson was in his forties when he started coaching.
So I'm just saying somewhat tongue in cheek, but they
could be a factor. I mean, Jason Kidd was only
one year removed from playing, but he was Jason Kidd.
He is a Hall of Famer. You had to respect him.
So look, I don't I'm not gonna be excited about
the hire if they hire him. And you've heard players
say Colin you donas Haslam and some other players say,
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or former players, there are going to be players in
that Lakers locker room that think, oh, is Lebron coaching
the team now? Rightly or wrongly? Because I personally don't
think Lebron is directing this. I don't think he's that
involved with this, but that is the perception, and so
are some players on the Lakers gonna feel like is
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this coming from the coach or is it coming from Lebron?
So that could be a problem too.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You and I agree. I think I think Lebron hears
the chatter about he's controlling it, and I think you know,
Lebron has made it clear. Listen, if you're give me
a choice, I'd take ty Lou. But I'm not putting
my legacy on this because I got one contract left
and you and I agree on that. Chris Brusard, brew
Patrick mahomes on there, try to get a word in
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edgewise with Nick right on that one.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Good luck on that right, you're right about that?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, you know it's funny. J Mackett and you said,
what's the ideal coaching job? And for years and years
it was, oh, if I could get a star, But
you got to get the right star because a lot
of guys in this league just get you fired. Steph
Curry and Duncan are the right star. Lebron's reputation now
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is you're gonna You're gonna get your run. And so
there's I've said this, I've been told this by people
in the league. NBA head coach is the worst great
job in America, Whereas in the NFL, unless you're just
incompetent or completely over your skis or have you know,
a crazy town owner, generally everybody's sort of all in.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
NFL owners don't unlike the NBA, they don't like that,
like that dead cap coach money. They don't want to
pay that stuff. They're more bottom line than the NFL,
and owners have more power. But you know, if I
ranked coaching jobs in the league right now, Malone in
Denver's got a great job. Finch in Minnesota. And part
of it is they have stars who are amenable to
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change and they're coaching. And some of these old guys
Steph may be easy to coach, but some of these
guys get older, they don't have the rings. They're hearing
it in their ear about you're not getting it done.
Like okay, see, I don't see any ego from the coach.
From the players, that's a good job. That is a
good job.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh aren't they too young to have ego?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You can't be pushing back when you're like twenty four
years old. You think Draymond's easy to coach.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I do. He has occasional dust of You never
have to inspire him to show up at practice, be focused.
He's not. You know, he comes to practice, he comes
to play when he's healthy. That's my thing. Just don't
be indifferent. I can literally teach anything. If I was
a great basketball coach, I'm not right, But if I could,
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what I can't fix is indifferent. If somebody once told
me this about Jay Cutler, and they're like, yeah, he
kind of likes the game. Jake kind of likes the game.
His attitude's not great. You can't fix that. You can't
fix snippy or snarky or indifferent. You can change footwork.
Now people bang on Drake May's footwork. I can fix footwork.
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What I can't change is he's not a worker. Yeah,
like this show, you and I. People know at this
point we just like getting up. You're ta.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I can give out sports like it's fun. When we
hang out, we just talk about sports a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, we love so some people enjoy the process and
the grind. Others don't. That's fine, but you, I mean
it's it's it's a hard lead, coach, it's a hard lead.
I mean, I think Tyler's great. Look at what he
has to deal with. He didn't know if Kawhi at
three forty five as he's driving to the arena.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But he also gets four Hall of Famers when he
shows up. When when they show up, when they were
actually playing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Exactly when they show up. J Mack with a.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
News This is the herd line.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
News, all right, let's start with.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
The Atlanta Falcons. A lot of hype for your boys.
They got Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennix. Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They also brought in Rahee Morris, the head coach.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Many believe he's completely changed the culture of the team,
something he wants to clarify.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Yeah, culture here is really really really well put together
by top down from ownership, you know, because I'm not
changing what we do when it comes to ideas and
innovating and people first mentality and some of those type
of things. So I'm not going to do that, but
we are adding to it. I want to bring a
different vibe into this room. I want to bring a
different vibe into our team. I want to bring a
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different vibe to how we view our football team. I
would never say Arthur Smith culture.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Was was was bad.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was for me.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It was his style and his his his technique in
the way you want to do things. And now it's
just us changing what we want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think I'm just going to guess this that Raheem
Morris is a little bit more of a people person.
And when I when I hear Rahee Morris talk, it
sounds like Sean McVay is that it's about the vibe
and the community and in culture, where whereas with Arthur Smith,
I thought sometimes he was sort of aloof, not always connectable, relatable.
(26:46):
I don't know him, know people who do, but I
he was a little at times above it all, you know,
not I didn't feel there was a great connection. I
don't know Raheem. Some of these coaches, the really good ones,
create a culture, and I think he can do it.
I really do. And I think he there's a reason
he and McVeigh got really close. When I hear Raheem
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talk now, it's like he went to the school of McVeigh.
Is that he smart. People don't always think they're the
smartest guy in the room. They walk in, they listen,
they watch, they learn. Raheem sounds like he's taking some
of that McVeigh juice with him, which I think is
great for Atlanta. I think Atlanta's gonna be pretty good
for him.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Morse was nice, he said Arthur Smith was. It wasn't bad, right,
I know, he was terrible last year.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
He was trocy.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The play calling he did getting back disparity, that part.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, And you're to your point of aloofness. I'm just
gonna state to fact. I'm not taking shots at the guy.
His father is the founder of FedEx. Okay, Arthur Smith
is worth a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Just putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You think he's displaying the same aloofness that you said,
or is he the grinder work ethic?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I'm sure he was born on third base. I'm sure. Well,
I'm sure you can be born on third base and
still work hard.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You can.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's harder.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
It's hard to find.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
People in the back of a BMW going to school
as a kid. It was probably a little.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Hard thew or Benz or whatever rich people drive. Not
taking shots the Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He was bad last year as a coach. We know that.
That's why he got run and he decided to pick
Desmond River.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Anyways, over to the NBA, Celtics had that thrilling victory.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I guess you can call it a victory over the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
In Game one, Indiana blew the game, Boston missed Porzingis
his presence, and Pascal Siakam torched him. Had twenty four
to twelve and seven. Porzingis apparently he's going to return
for Game four. That's the latest.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Game four would be sometime this weekend.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Colin Porzingi's gonna change the series materially, or do they say, hey,
you know what, we won the first two. Let's not
force Porzingis. We're gonna need him for the finals, don't.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, Boston's gonna lose a game in Indiana. If if
last night is a sense of what the series is,
Boston losed a game in Indiana, and that is the
okay take his Boston wins the next game by nine
to ten points.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're favored by nine games.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think Boston will play with much more urgency. But
they have a hole on this team and it was
exhibited last night. They picked on Al Horford. They went
after Al Horford, and it was very obvious that Brad
Stevens saw the hole and went and got Porzingis, who
had a very good year in Washington. He also went
and got Drew Holliday in case Jason Tatum and Jalen
Brown were in a funk last night. Drew Holliday was
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had his best game as a Celtic offensively, so Brad
Stevens really he saw the issues and addressed them, and
one of the issues can't be solved nowt because Porzingis
isn't out there, and between Miles Turner and Siakam there's
real length. Indiana's got some size. Well there.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You could try two other things.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Number one, you could try Tatum at the five, go
ultimate small ball the way you know he's not Draymond
Green length wiser side Tatum at the five, Jaylen Brown
at the four, like go ahead screen.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Who you going to try to pick on you? You're
not getting by Tatum.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You see him lock up Halliburton on the final play
of this game. Haliburton could barely get a shot off.
And the other one is the pre switch, which you
see a lot now, is where the point guard will
call for the switch.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And as he's coming up.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Horford will switch with another teammate, so he goes up
instead and you don't get the matchup you want. The
Mavericks are great at that. You'll see that tonight. But
I'm not gonna freak out over one game. I still
think Boston in five or six, and I do think
they win game two.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like you said I.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Would, I would not push Porzingis with the calf We've
seen calf injuries tricky.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, you don't want to mess around that. Final story.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Colin, the NBA announcer All Defensive Teams yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Victor.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Became the first rookie in NBA history to make the
first team All Defense. He's now the sixth rookie to
make an All Defensive team, joining some decent players like
Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Minute Bowl, Akeem Olajahan, and Jabbar Wembin.
Yama's rookie season was tremendous and I thought he got
jobbed in Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think it should have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Been thought Anthony Davis got jobbed, Wemby got job he
listen it is. I'm not sure who they're gonna get
for him, but I think you and I feel like
Wemby or Ant by the end of next year will
be the face of the league.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean, listen, if Anthony Davis wins the title this
year and he's the MVP, he's the face of the league.
He gotta win the title and he would be finals MVP.
They're not giving it to Towns or Gobert.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But web Ben Yama is.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
So we do have headlines coming up and there's a
spicy name I have for you with web ben Yama.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I haven't heard anywhere, haven't seen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Perhaps you'll like it, but yes, get welem ben Yama
help as soon as fine.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And they got to get Wemby into the playoffs, like
Haylan Clark needs to get into the WNBA playoffs. They
gotta get Wemby into the playoffs because he didn't look
like any other player on the planet.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, you're not missing wem ben Yama playoff game. And
by the way, he only does like twenty eight twenty
nine minutes in the regular season. In the playoffs, he
can be playing forty Do you know what the stats
are gonna be like in forty minutes?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
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Speaker 1 (32:01):
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Speaker 2 (32:58):
The Cocacola six one hundred.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
The pre race kicks things off at five point thirty
Eastern and green flag flies at six Sunday on Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Little fighting, little scraping. Last week in NASCAR.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You see that, Hi?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Is that a sucker punch or no, not really a
sucker punch.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's a little guys. I don't know what a sucker
punch is.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I just think we live in a society where you
talk to people you don't just all of a sudden
punch him when you're angry.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, in NASCAR, you're getting the pits down there. It
gets all hot wearing those suits. Kyle Busch gets a
lot of those scraps. All right, Well, we got some
conference finals, final four teams in the NBA. Former newspaper
man who used to create clicks in headlines, now he's
moved to the TV world. Nonchalant, big money, free coffee.
We call it tomorrow's headlines. Today, Boston up one to
(33:48):
oh barely Celtic's Pacers. What's your headline going forward?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, Colin, I'm not gonna be one of these overreact guys.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Everybody, Oh Celtics in deep tro get porzingis back the headline?
Will Jay Walkers, Tatum and Brown out paid Indiana? Listen,
I'm not gonna get up here in Cape up for Tatum.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'll do that tomorrow thirty six and twelve for Tatum.
Brown hits the clutch shot in the corner to force overtime.
Boston's gonna be fine, Colin. Just remember Al Horford played
forty minutes he was picked on mercilessly.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They were hunting Horford in the fourth quarter. It got
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I will just say Boston started the postseason five
and one against the spread. Remember they're blowing out the heat.
Porzingis gets hurt. They haven't been as dominant without him,
but let's remember Drew Holliday is the third best player
in the series. I think the Celtics are fine. Like
you said, Game two easily cover the spread. No concerns
about the Celtics. They're going to another finals. And then
(34:47):
what can we say about Jason Tatum. Two Finals trips
in three years?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Not that good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
To tomorrow's headlines today, I tell us he's Kyler Murray
got litt up on his shoulder. MAVs te Wolves starts
tonight Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, I don't think you've made an official pick. You
could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think I let I gotta tell you. I think
they'd said a long, close series. I think I like Minnesota,
but not as much conviction. I've read a lot of
articles on the athletic It's gonna be a close, It's
gonna be a great series.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It feels like a lot of people like Minnesota. They
just took down the defending chance.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah on the road, n feels like but they you know,
I'm gonna take it. But they looked five games into
that series, they look doomed and they pulled down.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, they look great after two, terrible after five, and
then they come back and win, especially with the twenty
point comeback in game seven. My pick the headline will
be Dallas Espresso. That's grind t Wolves down to powder
Luca their with the selling coffee.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Listen, Anthony Edwards is only twenty two colin. I looked
this up. He said, twenty two career playoff games. That's nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Luca has that in a postseason if they go to
the finals. This Minnesota team is just a little bit
too young.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I know they looked impressive against Denver. It looked to
me like Denver war down. That's not going to be
the case. And my biggest point in this year is
that I haven't really seen talked about. Minnesota was built
to compete with Denver by the same guys who built Denver.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
They knew we need three bodies to rotate on Yokich.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Guess what Dallas doesn't do a center, and he's not
like the focal point. Lively is awesome inside for boards
and blocks, but they don't go through their center. So
is naz Reed all of a sudden not gonna play much?
Or is Gobert gonna be played off the floor? What
do you do with Karl anday Towns? Who does he
even defend? I just think there's a much tougher matchup
for Minnesota defense.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I know they're the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I think it's a great point. They were built to
beat Denver and they did. They're not built to beat Dallas.
It's there, You're got much greater challenges.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
McDaniel's an excellent defender, All defensive team guy. He'll go
against Luca Anthony Edwards wants Kyrie be careful what you
wish for. Okay, the Saint Jamal Murray. Kyrie will destroy
you off the dribble.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I got the maps, all.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Right, big movement potentially in the off season. Tomorrow's headlines today,
let's start with Cleveland. What's the headline for Donovan Mitchell?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Now? Okay, all right, so it would be more fun
to have him go somewhere else. Everybody's gonna be boring.
He stays, maybe stays, how about this one. The headline
will be hard Apple spight up, Spurs get new legs
after sleeping off season. How about that Donovan Mitchell to
San Antonio. Interesting with wem ben Yama. So everybody's said
(37:32):
Trey Young, but we remember there was a report they're
not really keen on Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
What if Donovan Mitchell says, you know, I had a
lot of success in Utah.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
With a rim protecting center and Rudy Gobert, but Colbert
what didn't do everything.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And offensive threat.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now you get one Banyama, one ben Yama and Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
If you're the Spurs, hey, every one on our rosters
available and a bunch of draft picks. You pair Mitchell
and Wemby. They're a playoff team in the West next year.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, for sure, wem ben Yama will be.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Making the leap.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I just think that is as spicy as it gets
because they're not gonna get Paul George to go to
San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
He's just no.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think this is a really interesting take. That's a
really good and I also think Donovan Mitchell recently come well,
there was a leak that he was his teammates were
young and distracted like Wemby sleeps and plays basketball. Yeah,
sleeps and plays basketball like that kid is uber focused.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And you know, you just think about Donovan Mitchell. I know,
going west.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
You don't love that because the West is stacked, But
you're playing with one Ben Yama who is a superstar,
and they don't have too much else.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
They have two picks in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
If they can flip those to Cleveland, and let's be real,
Donovan Mitchell, who you want to play with, like Evan
Mobley and Jared Allen and whoever's left or Victor Wembinyama.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I think if Mitchell calls his shot, san Antonio makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
All right? Stand in the East. The Knicks very good
in the playoffs without Julius Randall, who is hurt? What's
the headline for Julius Randall next season?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Love Randall, but he's the biggest trade ship the Knicks have.
The headline for Julius Randall will be Julius child.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay See adds new cook to the kitchen. How about that?
Okay See needs toughness and rebounding.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
You could go center, but centers and kind of doesn't
really work with the five out offense. That Okay likes
Julius Renold can make threes. He's like a good interior
play the post. And Julius Renold can get you a bucket.
He can do the dirty work, so chet Holmgun doesn't
have to and Julius is not gonna cost okay see
that much. You don't want to disrupt too much of
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the young chemistry, right, Sga?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
They love you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Probably wouldn't have to give up Wallace. You get to
keep uh give up?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Would you keep lou Dor?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I think you could keep lou Door.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You give up the other Jalen Williams and some future picks,
and you don't disrupt the chemistry because Renald's not gonna give
me the ball, black hole type of guy.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I think it works.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Okay, see is probably one guy away Colin from knocking
on the door of the NBA Finals like they took
the MAVs.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Hard to say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think Okaye's close. Julius Randall would make sense.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, you're coming up with some beauties here what I
do Tomorrows headlines today a lot of names floating around
with the Lakers next coach floating what say you?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, Well, I guess they probably can't pat pro pat
Riley from the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But maybe they could get the next pat Riley.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
The headline will be doctor jj LA Senior demands new
Reddick care.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I can't believe they did Lebron like that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Sorry, sorry King James, but it's starting to feel like
a formality right it. NBA Finals are not until June.
Jj Reddick will be announcing the NBA Finals. I don't
think you can say we're naming Reddick next week the
head coach and he.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Doesn't announce the finals, right. I think my guess is
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The longer this plays out, it's pretty clearly Reddick, and
they'll get him right after the finals when he's done
announcing the games for ABC. I don't hate the move.
I have some major questions for Lebron. He's gonna have
to have a good staff because Reddick has never coached.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I think the staff is really important in this higher
you know again, I mean of these guys. Steve Kerr
put together a great staff Boston this year. Upgraded staffs. Yeah,
and that that matters.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Rachel Nichols had a good point that when Riley went
from the announcing booth to the to coaching.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
He was a Laker announced assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, Laker announced, so he knew that he knew
their personnel up and down.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think Reddick's going to get
pushed back in the locker room. No, he's Lebron's got I.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Mean I think all coaches, good God, Spolster got pushed
back from Lebron in Miami and Kerr got pushed back
from k D. All coaches get pushed back. I mean
Pop got it from Kawai. So I think you just
have to build in. You're gonna get pushback. Basketball culture,
You're gonna get pushed back, even from the good guys.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It's weird how Reddick's rise has been like astronomical, right,
I mean, it felt like he was playing like three
years ago and now he's announcing the NBA Finals and
he's going to coach the Lakers. Somebody out there loves
JJ Reddick and it seems like it's Lebron. Well, he's
I would say this, Tylu was probably the best choice.
Steve Balmer's like, you're not touching him with my new arena.
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So you know, like I said earlier, you're not getting
one of the five guys like your Kerr, you'r Tylu,
your pop, your Spolstra. Then there's this next group of
guys that are highly respected, the Chris Finch level, Guy Malone,
where they're not quite in that legendary class yet maybe
Tyloo's in that second class, not the first whatever. But
you're not getting those guys, so because Balmer's not letting
you have ty Lou. And so then you get to
(42:25):
the third layer of guys, and it's mostly assistants who
have never been head coaches or who your stars like.
And I don't think there's a perfect choice. Reddick is
a star. I mean he's got brand name appeal for
the Lakherst. How about this outside the box name. I
haven't seen it mentioned. This guy was an announcer, he
was a famous coach, he was an announcer. He got
(42:47):
jettison by Aby's Van Gundy.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
He's a little older.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Did you see that story today? I couldn't believe it
that Van Gundy was always very critical of NBA officials
and the NBA lean on ESPN and that's why they
blew up that broadcasting booth which was which was an
unbelievable Breen Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. I thought were
they were.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Listen, Van Gundy went, uh he, I guess he wanted
the Milwaukee job that went to Doc Rivers. He kind
of wanted that. So now he's like an assistant I
believe in Boston.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Super bright guy.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Listen, Jeff Van Gundy knows basketball like he terri.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
He walks in to the Laker locker room and gets
respect instantly.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I'm surprised his name's not even mentioned.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That's a real story. NBA is like that guy rips
our league bounce him. I couldn't figure out why they
blew up that broadcasting group. It makes sense at all,
and it's like, oh, the riddle is solved. Bummer, all right,
we will J Mack is here tomorrow. Mahomes Patrick next
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This hour Tomorrow's headlines Today from Jmac, Who's firing shots
at me today? He didn't like that Tatum segment or
I think I was very reasonable segment. If you base
a quarterback on I'll pay for a higher ceiling. I'm
(00:46):
not paying for a lower floor. It's almost like it's
like Dax become like a high yield savings account. I
can get my three and a half percent. It's safe,
but I'm not retiring early. Like there's things I'm safe
with my four oh one K. There's there's certain places
in my life. I'm not gonna spend a lot of
money on cars. I'm not, you know, but there are
(01:08):
other places like if I go on vacation, yeah, I'm
gonna spend a lot. I want to get a lot,
And I think quarterbacks all spend a lot, but I
gotta get a lot. I'm not interested in playing it
safe at quarterback. I'm gonna take big swings, kind of
how I look at a vacation. We're gonna go Bora, Bora.
It's gonna be exp I'll make it up on the
other end. But and then there's other things. You know,
(01:29):
a lot of stuff in my life that I'll just
pay for average, and I don't need the even close
to the best. But I you know, I'm not gonna
skimp on vacations or quarterbacks, but I'm paying for great.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So GoF fifty three.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Where would you go for Dak fifty again?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I got a guy that's gone to two NFC championships,
in a Super Bowl, and a guy who has two
playoff wins and in seven playoff games he's been great
in one that that that Tampa game. So the problem
because and I think it's closer to the this isn't
gonna happen. But if we're sizing stuff up here, Goff
never gets hurt. Gof's a better peer thrower. God's gonna
(02:09):
have the advantage of a great O line.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't disagree with someone.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think Goff I said this yesterday. Take out Mahomes
and Josh Allen. If the four boxes to check for
a quarterback are production, winning, health slash reliability, you know,
team success, winning, health and reliability, and then leverage. After
Mahomes and Allen, you get into a Jared Goff. I
(02:35):
mean because Brow and Lamar had been hurt, Herbert hasn't won,
Jalen Hurts has one great year. Dak just doesn't have
December January wins. No January wins.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What's the game plan? You don't want to pay him
fifty fine?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
If you don't want to pay him forty seven fine,
then Dak says I'm done here?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Then you know I do and Dak could I'll tell
you right somewhere else the Raiders would pay him fifty million.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Somebody will pay Dak.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But then what do you do? Do you go with
my guy Cooper Rush? Do you okay?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You drive?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Here's my argument? What am I getting with Dak?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, we're p past it, We're over Dak. Dak is
gone right here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You don't want to pay it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What is the future game plan? Jerry Jones eighty seven
years old.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He wants to win.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm Jerry Jones. I'm gonna be Jared Jones. Where if
you take a look at what Dak Prescott made off
the field with endorsements, we can make office here in
Dallas locally, nationally that the Jaguars quarterback wouldn't make as
a free agent. How would you like to come to
no state tax? The biggest brand in American sports measure
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tlass cut once or was that Ros Barrow? The point
being is Dallas is a very attractive spot in Atlanta,
a losing culture got Kirk Cousins. You gotta be kidding,
I mean, Denver got Russell Will you can make stuff happen.
My point is, and that was a trade. My point
is Dallas is very attractive, no state tax, weaker, NFC
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always good players in Dallas. I mean the Cowboys draft
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I guess we got to see what quarterbacks are going
to be free agents that you can entice with playing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
With a star on your helmet, you know, I was like, hey,
you get to play.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
In my lifetime, in my entire lifetime. I grew up
first with Roger Staubauch. He was good, and then and
the order can get lost. I think it was Danny
White in the Arizona State. He was really good, solid,
he was solid. Okay. Then it is Troy Aikman, He's
an all timer, excellent, and then bled Saw they kind
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of there's a little transition, but then they end up
with Tony Romo B plus absolutely, then they get back.
This is not an organization that struggled at quarterback. There
are certain organizations. Green Bay usually gets it right. Dallas
has mostly had good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Are all those guys homegrown? Like I'm pretty sure maybe
Romo was an undrafted.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Foot I have you heard of the draft? You can
do that too, Okay, fine, good.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Good luck, go fish in the draft where quarterback hit
rate is forty percent out of the first round.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And Dallas is a pretty good drafting team. Pretty good
drafting team.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And eleven wins eleven wins? Eleven wins too?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
What am i?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
My point is what am I getting again? Again?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You get eleven wins and a chance to contend in
the NFC. You don't want eleven wins, you'd rather have seven.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And here's what's funny with Kirk cousins. We just pushed back.
Can't pay Kirk. Dak and Kirk are virtually the exact
same quarterback, exact same numbers down the line. You're disappointed
in January, but they're good enough to get you in
the playoffs in the regular season. Again, I'll pay for
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the ceiling. Kyler Murray could drive me nuts. Dude can
flat ball. When I watched Jordan Love, I'm like that.
That kid can snap it like that is special stuff.
I'll make a mistake on the ceiling. I'm not over
paying on the floor again. I'll make a mistake paying
for a great vacation. It rains the entire time we're there,
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right Like, I made a mistake, But my intentions were,
we go on one of these a year with the family.
We're going big. We're skiing in Whistler, We're going to
you know wherever, Turks and Caicos. I will eat it.
As a dad, I'll go. I paid for it. I
didn't check the weather. The weather didn't work. The airline's stunk.
But I'm gonna pay for great stuff. You know, for
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a lot of guys, I'm not one of the odd
people pay anything for a car. Transportation if you live
in Los Angeles and you're a salesperson, cars are really valuable.
It's a car culture here. You pay what you're gonna
pay for a car. You'd rather live in a nice
apartment have a great car than vice versa, because you're
in your car all the time. So my take is
you keep saying what are the Cowboys gonna do if
Dak leaves? Well, what are they now? A disappointment every
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year at the end of the season. This isn't baseball.
Who gives a rip about your stats? This is we
don't romanticize regular seasons. Mahomes is the greatatest. He didn't
have the greatest year last year. He hasn't even had
the greatest Super Bowls, but he wins him he wins them.
So again, a top tier quarterback gets you know, I mean,
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like Josh Allen. What am I getting with Josh Allen
one of the greatest quarterback talents of all time? Not
only do you win more than Dak in the postseason,
but he gives you a chance to beat Mahomes in Burrow.
You put Dak on the field with Mahomes and a
Burrough and a Stafford in a big game, It's like
I watch them against Jordan Love, I'm like, this is
this isn't a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Mis Aaroppolo and brock Perty went toe to toe with
Mahomes and both nearly beat him, lost late overtime and
fourth quarter. So let's not act like Dak can't compete
with those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Come on, it's been a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, your standards are pretty low for the Dallas Cowboys.
When you can compete, that's like the Yankees saying, hey,
we can compete with a brave.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
By the way, you're a Portland Northeast guy or northwest guy.
Remember the Dame Lillard CJ. Mccollumyres, those are nights every year.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It didn't didn't. I kept saying they're duplicate players, Dames
the better version.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You went to a conference finals, you were in the playoffs.
One year you were playing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I thought they made a mistake not moving off it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well they did move off both and no games.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But the Blazer and they have a bunch of young talent,
got young talent. But but Portland's not. The Blazers are
not the Cowboys. No state tax, middle of the country,
biggest brand in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But when you got some good rolling, you don't screw
around with it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It feels like that that's interesting. Blow up in their interesting,
and then Jerry goes back.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To the interesting. Alex Smith was a good thing, going
got him to the playoffs like that. By the way,
Goff was a good thing. Going in La Garoppolo was
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They had a plan.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Each of those teams had a plan. What is Dallas's plan?
Tell me, Jerry, Well, you think it's public, I'm not
gonna tell us. There's nobody on them. Nobody's hitting the
market this offseason. Jordan love anybody market, Jordan loves not.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Somebody always hits the market. Dak could hit the market.
Kyler Murray could hit the market. Yeh, Kyler Murray. I
can give you a four to three minute Kyler Murray
YouTube and you're like, oh, that's the ceiling highlights. I'm
just telling you the ceiling for Kyler. And that's been
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in a dysfunctional organization, one of the poorest owners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think Jerry might have forgotten what those lean years
were like.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
He didn't have a lot of twenty twenty to like
Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Cowboys didn't have a lot of lead years.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Ten years. They haven't been to a conferenceipionship game in
like twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, you have a you're you're talking lean. Tony Romo
was always viable. They were always a playoff team. He
just fell apart in his playoff.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know that they were.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All oh, playoffs, playoffs. I'm just saying, I guess my
whole premise here is I'll pay big money for the
ceiling ed, send my kid to Princeton, and if he
doesn't get a good education, or they have protests that
I think are wrong. But I'm taking the swing on
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education or vacation or avocation quarterback, I'm taking a big
swing on certain things. Paper towels, I'll get a discount,
you know what I mean. My car. I'm not a
car guy. I could do a used car a lease. Yeah,
you're asking me. You're asking me to pay for Bora Bora,
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and you're giving me Laughlin, Nevada. I'm not paying.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's brutal dak is Laftland, Nevada. I can't even identify
that on a map. Is that a real city or
you just make that up?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, that's a little hard.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Is that an area fifty one. That's not the state.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The point is, if I'm gonna pay for you know, Paris,
I want Paris, France, not Paris, Texas. You gotta give
me big. If I'm paying big, You know, Jerry, I
don't know what say is this. Here's a great line.
Jared Jones has a great line. Every time I've gotten
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a bargain, that's exactly what I get. I regret not
getting the best you pay for it. But you think
you get a bargain, that's exactly what you get a bargain.
That bargain bin At Blockbuster twenty five years ago, they
weren't giving away Silence of the Lambs, Baby, they weren't
giving away Godfather.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I was the one who said I'm not paying Dak.
I would rather roll with Cooper Rush. You remember that
you opened I remember that take?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Huh? You remember that?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember that take. I was one of the I
had to go upstairs to management and talk about your future.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, listen, I honestly I like Cooper Rush. We saw
him in limiting.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Come on, I'm not paying Dak the top of the
market to fifty I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But the alternative is very bleak. If you don't pay him,
it's not bleak.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, they can go get Desmond Ridder. I don't know. No,
I'm saying Dallas is a very, very attractive place for
quarterbacks to go. It's a young The economy in Dallas
right now is through the roof. It's exploding. It's a
gorgeous stadium, supportive owner, no state tax, massive brand, weaker NFC.
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That's right, Dallas is a wildly attractive place to be
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Didn't Jerry say something like, oh, this is gonna be
off season. We're not saving money, we're spending and then
they did nothing. We're all the free agents who want
to go to Dallas, take a little less, go to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Didn't have any of the state, didn't have any money.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Take less, Ask them to take less, all right, Chris Brussard.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Tomorrow's headlines both around the corner.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
in noon Easter not a em Pacific Chris Brussard.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Those first things first, joining us live Patrick Mahomes pretty good,
get deep, pretty deep, good get I was surprised by
the Celtics. Last by the Celtics, I didn't think they
needed Porzingis in the series, and then I watched Pascal
Siakam get his way and I thought, yeah, they need
Porzingis in size in this series. I looked at last
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night and I'm like, thought they had it, then they
lost it. Are you shocked that they should have basically
lost that game to Indiana?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I am surprised. Now. Look, the Celtics have exasperated me
for a long time because you just watch them and
you feel like they should be so much better. I'm
not fooled by the sixty four wins. If they were
in the West, they wouldn't have had sixty four wins.
So they played in a weaker conference and they had
a nice regular season. Congratulations, But they should be better.
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And they have five days off Colin Indiana had one
day off coming off an emotional win in Game seven
in New York. The Celtics know we haven't protected home.
We've lost a home game in each of the last
two series this season. We are fifteen and four team
over the last three postseasons at home. Let's re establish
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our home court advantage. You have all of that working
for you, Not to mention you're facing a very young
team that has no idea what it's like to be
in the Eastern Conference finals and you should have lost.
That is not good for the Celtics. Look, I still
think they win the series just based on their talent
and being the better, more experienced team. But they obviously
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should have lost that game last night, but for a
few mistakes by Indiana at the end of the game
they be down one.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, I think maybe Indiana is better than we think
and Boston's not as good as we think. I agree, Yeah,
I think that's that's probably a big part of it.
You know, I got to give Dallas credit. They took
a big swing on Kyrie Bumpy early. Now it's great.
They took two big swings at the trade deadline, and
now they have rim protection. So they match up with
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Minnesota just fine, and they do have the best clos
that series arguably is I'm going to take Minnesota, but
I'm probably giving them too much credit for beating Denver.
You know, I've got it's you know, recent bias, recency bias.
A lot of people like Dallas, where are you on
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this series?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I'm with Minnesota. I'm saying Minnesota in six I wouldn't
be shocked if it goes seven. And about Dallas, what
I felt coming into this series was or this round,
Let's say, if they had met Denver, I would not
have given them hardly any chance. I don't think they
could have beaten Denver, but I do give them a
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shot against Minnesota, just because Minnesota is not as experienced,
their main guy is younger and unlike had they played Denver.
I think Dallas has the best player in the series
in Luka Doncis it's going to look. The thing about Dallas,
and one reason I like Minnesota in the series is
that Dallas Oklahoma City's defense, which is very good, gave
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Dallas some trouble. Okay, Minnesota's defense is not only better
than Okacs, but it's bigger than okay SE's. Like Okaze's
problem is they don't have any size, and they still
were able to give Dallas a lot of trouble. Now,
Minnesota's got not only great perimeter defenders and defense, but
also size, and I think that'll be a big deal.
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But look, anytime you've got Luca, like I said, the
best player in the series and Kyrie, Kyrie's gonna have
to step up now. I think he played a nice
floor game really throughout that series against Oklahoma City, but
his scoring wasn't there. I don't think PJ. Washington is
gonna give you nineteen points a game because Minnesota, unlike OKAC,
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a lot of times, they'll be at to guard Luca
one on one. They won't have to double and trap
and all that. So that'll take away PJ. Washington all
those open three that he was getting in the last round.
So they're going to need Kyrie to be Kyrie. Now,
maybe Colin in the last series, was he pacing himself, Yeah,
saying Okay, I'm gonna pace myself. I've had health problems
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obviously throughout his career, so let me just pace myself
as long as we can win this series and then
go full board in the conference finals. We'll see. But
I like Minnesota, as you said.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So JJ Reddick to the Lakers, My take, it's late
in the process. Anybody you get with Lebron at this
point in his career, you know, the great guy Spolstra, Kerr, Popovich, TIBs,
they're not interested in that job, right, So the top
guys aren't, and the second tier guys, you know, you're
Billy Donovan's I'm Tyler maybe first tier, but your second
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tier guys, there's six or seven of those guys. The
young guy to okay, see Chris Finch. Those guys who
are just a notch below the legends, Well, they don't
want the job. They have good jobs. Jason Kidnaw's qualified
as a very good coach. So and now you're left
with like the third tier guys, which is a longtime
assistant that's never been a coach, or a smart guy
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that was recently a player. JJ Reddick. That's what you're
left with. And some of that is the Lakers don't
pay big money for coaches and Lebron runs through them.
So when people bristle at JJ Reddick, I'm like, well,
you're not getting the legends. You're not going to get
the Chris Finch group is very good. This is what
you're left with, So let's not go crazy on it.
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If it could, Redick be the best of the third group.
But a lot of people are really bristling at this.
How do you feel about Reddick potentially as a coach
of the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, look of the three names that are being Minchiga,
and there are a few more Mike and Noriri, and
you know some of the assistants that are being thrown
out there, but really Sam Kassel, James Morega and JJ Reddick.
I like Kassel best, okay, as you remember, he was
a leader as a player. Ye, he was a very
good play Even though he never made an All Star team,
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he was clearly an all Star caliber player and the
players respect him, both current players and former players. And
so I would give say, and he's paid his dudes,
I think fifteen years as an assistant under some top coaches.
So I like Cassell. But JJ, look the pat Riley talk.
Who knows Colin? This is completely an art, It is
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not a science. Who would have said Steve Nash, who
we know how great he was as not only a
player but intelligent as a player. And you've got the
buy in of your stars Kyrie and Kevin Durant, who
would have said he's gonna fail miserably. You never would
have thought that, Okay, So you just don't. I've heard
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of many guys who were great assistants and people thought
they'd be the next hot thing and they fell flat
on their face as head coaches. So you don't know.
But for Reddick, he obviously is intelligent about the game,
knows the game, and he's to his credit, he's going
on to the other network and he's done a great
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job of explaining the game and debating the game. And
you know, nobody can say, wow, he doesn't sound like
he knows what he's talking about. He does. He also,
Colin has a strong personality, it appears, and that's what
he's going to need. So look, if they want to
give it a try, fine, But one thing, Colin, a
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lot of guys. You look at the guys that were
just pretty good players, role players who would become legendary coaches.
Steve Kerr, pat Riley, Phil Jackson, they generally coach kind
of a generation of players after their playing days. So
they weren't coaching anybody that remembers how mediocre they were.
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You know, they weren't coaching guys that remember I used
to dunk on you, but we hunted you on defense. Dude,
Now you jumping on me for not playing defense, Like
they're gonna be dudes that remember we used to destroy you,
JJ Reddick on the other end of the floor, So
what are you telling me stuff? For Steve Kerr was
like twelve years after his playing career, and you know,
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Phil Jackson was in his forties when he started coaching.
So I'm just saying somewhat tongue in cheek, but they
could be a factor. I mean, Jason Kidd was only
one year removed from playing, but he was Jason Kidd.
He is a Hall of Famer. You had to respect him.
So look, I don't I'm not gonna be excited about
the hire if they hire him. And you've heard players
say Colin you donas Haslam and some other players say,
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or former players, there are going to be players in
that Lakers locker room that think, oh, is Lebron coaching
the team now? Rightly or wrongly? Because I personally don't
think Lebron is directing this. I don't think he's that
involved with this, but that is the perception, and so
are some players on the Lakers gonna feel like is
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this coming from the coach or is it coming from Lebron?
So that could be a problem too.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You and I agree. I think I think Lebron hears
the chatter about he's controlling it, and I think you know,
Lebron has made it clear. Listen, if you're give me
a choice, I'd take ty Lou. But I'm not putting
my legacy on this because I got one contract left
and you and I agree on that. Chris Brusard, brew
Patrick mahomes on there, try to get a word in
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edgewise with Nick right on that one.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Good luck on that right, you're right about that?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, you know it's funny. J Mackett and you said,
what's the ideal coaching job? And for years and years
it was, oh, if I could get a star, But
you got to get the right star because a lot
of guys in this league just get you fired. Steph
Curry and Duncan are the right star. Lebron's reputation now
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is you're gonna You're gonna get your run. And so
there's I've said this, I've been told this by people
in the league. NBA head coach is the worst great
job in America, Whereas in the NFL, unless you're just
incompetent or completely over your skis or have you know,
a crazy town owner, generally everybody's sort of all in.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
NFL owners don't unlike the NBA, they don't like that,
like that dead cap coach money. They don't want to
pay that stuff. They're more bottom line than the NFL,
and owners have more power. But you know, if I
ranked coaching jobs in the league right now, Malone in
Denver's got a great job. Finch in Minnesota. And part
of it is they have stars who are amenable to
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change and they're coaching. And some of these old guys
Steph may be easy to coach, but some of these
guys get older, they don't have the rings. They're hearing
it in their ear about you're not getting it done.
Like okay, see, I don't see any ego from the coach.
From the players, that's a good job. That is a
good job.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh aren't they too young to have ego?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You can't be pushing back when you're like twenty four
years old. You think Draymond's easy to coach.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I do. He has occasional dust of You never
have to inspire him to show up at practice, be focused.
He's not. You know, he comes to practice, he comes
to play when he's healthy. That's my thing. Just don't
be indifferent. I can literally teach anything. If I was
a great basketball coach, I'm not right, But if I could,
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what I can't fix is indifferent. If somebody once told
me this about Jay Cutler, and they're like, yeah, he
kind of likes the game. Jake kind of likes the game.
His attitude's not great. You can't fix that. You can't
fix snippy or snarky or indifferent. You can change footwork.
Now people bang on Drake May's footwork. I can fix footwork.
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What I can't change is he's not a worker. Yeah,
like this show, you and I. People know at this
point we just like getting up. You're ta.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I can give out sports like it's fun. When we
hang out, we just talk about sports a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, we love so some people enjoy the process and
the grind. Others don't. That's fine, but you, I mean
it's it's it's a hard lead, coach, it's a hard lead.
I mean, I think Tyler's great. Look at what he
has to deal with. He didn't know if Kawhi at
three forty five as he's driving to the arena.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But he also gets four Hall of Famers when he
shows up. When when they show up, when they were
actually playing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Exactly when they show up. J Mack with a.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
News This is the herd line.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
News, all right, let's start with.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
The Atlanta Falcons. A lot of hype for your boys.
They got Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennix. Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They also brought in Rahee Morris, the head coach.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Many believe he's completely changed the culture of the team,
something he wants to clarify.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Yeah, culture here is really really really well put together
by top down from ownership, you know, because I'm not
changing what we do when it comes to ideas and
innovating and people first mentality and some of those type
of things. So I'm not going to do that, but
we are adding to it. I want to bring a
different vibe into this room. I want to bring a
different vibe into our team. I want to bring a
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different vibe to how we view our football team. I
would never say Arthur Smith culture.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Was was was bad.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was for me.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It was his style and his his his technique in
the way you want to do things. And now it's
just us changing what we want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think I'm just going to guess this that Raheem
Morris is a little bit more of a people person.
And when I when I hear Rahee Morris talk, it
sounds like Sean McVay is that it's about the vibe
and the community and in culture, where whereas with Arthur Smith,
I thought sometimes he was sort of aloof, not always connectable, relatable.
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I don't know him, know people who do, but I
he was a little at times above it all, you know,
not I didn't feel there was a great connection. I
don't know Raheem. Some of these coaches, the really good ones,
create a culture, and I think he can do it.
I really do. And I think he there's a reason
he and McVeigh got really close. When I hear Raheem
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talk now, it's like he went to the school of McVeigh.
Is that he smart. People don't always think they're the
smartest guy in the room. They walk in, they listen,
they watch, they learn. Raheem sounds like he's taking some
of that McVeigh juice with him, which I think is
great for Atlanta. I think Atlanta's gonna be pretty good
for him.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Morse was nice, he said Arthur Smith was. It wasn't bad, right,
I know, he was terrible last year.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
He was trocy.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The play calling he did getting back disparity, that part.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, And you're to your point of aloofness. I'm just
gonna state to fact. I'm not taking shots at the guy.
His father is the founder of FedEx. Okay, Arthur Smith
is worth a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Just putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You think he's displaying the same aloofness that you said,
or is he the grinder work ethic?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I'm sure he was born on third base. I'm sure. Well,
I'm sure you can be born on third base and
still work hard.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You can.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's harder.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
It's hard to find.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
People in the back of a BMW going to school
as a kid. It was probably a little.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Hard thew or Benz or whatever rich people drive. Not
taking shots the Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He was bad last year as a coach. We know that.
That's why he got run and he decided to pick
Desmond River.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Anyways, over to the NBA, Celtics had that thrilling victory.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I guess you can call it a victory over the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
In Game one, Indiana blew the game, Boston missed Porzingis
his presence, and Pascal Siakam torched him. Had twenty four
to twelve and seven. Porzingis apparently he's going to return
for Game four. That's the latest.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Game four would be sometime this weekend.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Colin Porzingi's gonna change the series materially, or do they say, hey,
you know what, we won the first two. Let's not
force Porzingis. We're gonna need him for the finals, don't.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, Boston's gonna lose a game in Indiana. If if
last night is a sense of what the series is,
Boston losed a game in Indiana, and that is the
okay take his Boston wins the next game by nine
to ten points.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're favored by nine games.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think Boston will play with much more urgency. But
they have a hole on this team and it was
exhibited last night. They picked on Al Horford. They went
after Al Horford, and it was very obvious that Brad
Stevens saw the hole and went and got Porzingis, who
had a very good year in Washington. He also went
and got Drew Holliday in case Jason Tatum and Jalen
Brown were in a funk last night. Drew Holliday was
(29:27):
had his best game as a Celtic offensively, so Brad
Stevens really he saw the issues and addressed them, and
one of the issues can't be solved nowt because Porzingis
isn't out there, and between Miles Turner and Siakam there's
real length. Indiana's got some size. Well there.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You could try two other things.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Number one, you could try Tatum at the five, go
ultimate small ball the way you know he's not Draymond
Green length wiser side Tatum at the five, Jaylen Brown
at the four, like go ahead screen.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Who you going to try to pick on you? You're
not getting by Tatum.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You see him lock up Halliburton on the final play
of this game. Haliburton could barely get a shot off.
And the other one is the pre switch, which you
see a lot now, is where the point guard will
call for the switch.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And as he's coming up.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Horford will switch with another teammate, so he goes up
instead and you don't get the matchup you want. The
Mavericks are great at that. You'll see that tonight. But
I'm not gonna freak out over one game. I still
think Boston in five or six, and I do think
they win game two.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like you said I.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Would, I would not push Porzingis with the calf We've
seen calf injuries tricky.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, you don't want to mess around that. Final story.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Colin, the NBA announcer All Defensive Teams yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Victor.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Became the first rookie in NBA history to make the
first team All Defense. He's now the sixth rookie to
make an All Defensive team, joining some decent players like
Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Minute Bowl, Akeem Olajahan, and Jabbar Wembin.
Yama's rookie season was tremendous and I thought he got
jobbed in Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think it should have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Been thought Anthony Davis got jobbed, Wemby got job he
listen it is. I'm not sure who they're gonna get
for him, but I think you and I feel like
Wemby or Ant by the end of next year will
be the face of the league.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean, listen, if Anthony Davis wins the title this
year and he's the MVP, he's the face of the league.
He gotta win the title and he would be finals MVP.
They're not giving it to Towns or Gobert.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But web Ben Yama is.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
So we do have headlines coming up and there's a
spicy name I have for you with web ben Yama.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I haven't heard anywhere, haven't seen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Perhaps you'll like it, but yes, get welem ben Yama
help as soon as fine.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And they got to get Wemby into the playoffs, like
Haylan Clark needs to get into the WNBA playoffs. They
gotta get Wemby into the playoffs because he didn't look
like any other player on the planet.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, you're not missing wem ben Yama playoff game. And
by the way, he only does like twenty eight twenty
nine minutes in the regular season. In the playoffs, he
can be playing forty Do you know what the stats
are gonna be like in forty minutes?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
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Speaker 3 (33:01):
The pre race kicks things off at five point thirty
Eastern and green flag flies at six Sunday on Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Little fighting, little scraping. Last week in NASCAR.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You see that, Hi?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Is that a sucker punch or no, not really a
sucker punch.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's a little guys. I don't know what a sucker
punch is.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I just think we live in a society where you
talk to people you don't just all of a sudden
punch him when you're angry.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, in NASCAR, you're getting the pits down there. It
gets all hot wearing those suits. Kyle Busch gets a
lot of those scraps. All right, Well, we got some
conference finals, final four teams in the NBA. Former newspaper
man who used to create clicks in headlines, now he's
moved to the TV world. Nonchalant, big money, free coffee.
We call it tomorrow's headlines. Today, Boston up one to
(33:48):
oh barely Celtic's Pacers. What's your headline going forward?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, Colin, I'm not gonna be one of these overreact guys.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Everybody, Oh Celtics in deep tro get porzingis back the headline?
Will Jay Walkers, Tatum and Brown out paid Indiana? Listen,
I'm not gonna get up here in Cape up for Tatum.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'll do that tomorrow thirty six and twelve for Tatum.
Brown hits the clutch shot in the corner to force overtime.
Boston's gonna be fine, Colin. Just remember Al Horford played
forty minutes he was picked on mercilessly.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They were hunting Horford in the fourth quarter. It got
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I will just say Boston started the postseason five
and one against the spread. Remember they're blowing out the heat.
Porzingis gets hurt. They haven't been as dominant without him,
but let's remember Drew Holliday is the third best player
in the series. I think the Celtics are fine. Like
you said, Game two easily cover the spread. No concerns
about the Celtics. They're going to another finals. And then
(34:47):
what can we say about Jason Tatum. Two Finals trips
in three years?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Not that good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
To tomorrow's headlines today, I tell us he's Kyler Murray
got litt up on his shoulder. MAVs te Wolves starts
tonight Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, I don't think you've made an official pick. You
could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think I let I gotta tell you. I think
they'd said a long, close series. I think I like Minnesota,
but not as much conviction. I've read a lot of
articles on the athletic It's gonna be a close, It's
gonna be a great series.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It feels like a lot of people like Minnesota. They
just took down the defending chance.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah on the road, n feels like but they you know,
I'm gonna take it. But they looked five games into
that series, they look doomed and they pulled down.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, they look great after two, terrible after five, and
then they come back and win, especially with the twenty
point comeback in game seven. My pick the headline will
be Dallas Espresso. That's grind t Wolves down to powder
Luca their with the selling coffee.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Listen, Anthony Edwards is only twenty two colin. I looked
this up. He said, twenty two career playoff games. That's nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Luca has that in a postseason if they go to
the finals. This Minnesota team is just a little bit
too young.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I know they looked impressive against Denver. It looked to
me like Denver war down. That's not going to be
the case. And my biggest point in this year is
that I haven't really seen talked about. Minnesota was built
to compete with Denver by the same guys who built Denver.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
They knew we need three bodies to rotate on Yokich.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Guess what Dallas doesn't do a center, and he's not
like the focal point. Lively is awesome inside for boards
and blocks, but they don't go through their center. So
is naz Reed all of a sudden not gonna play much?
Or is Gobert gonna be played off the floor? What
do you do with Karl anday Towns? Who does he
even defend? I just think there's a much tougher matchup
for Minnesota defense.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I know they're the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I think it's a great point. They were built to
beat Denver and they did. They're not built to beat Dallas.
It's there, You're got much greater challenges.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
McDaniel's an excellent defender, All defensive team guy. He'll go
against Luca Anthony Edwards wants Kyrie be careful what you
wish for. Okay, the Saint Jamal Murray. Kyrie will destroy
you off the dribble.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I got the maps, all.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Right, big movement potentially in the off season. Tomorrow's headlines today,
let's start with Cleveland. What's the headline for Donovan Mitchell?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Now? Okay, all right, so it would be more fun
to have him go somewhere else. Everybody's gonna be boring.
He stays, maybe stays, how about this one. The headline
will be hard Apple spight up, Spurs get new legs
after sleeping off season. How about that Donovan Mitchell to
San Antonio. Interesting with wem ben Yama. So everybody's said
(37:32):
Trey Young, but we remember there was a report they're
not really keen on Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
What if Donovan Mitchell says, you know, I had a
lot of success in Utah.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
With a rim protecting center and Rudy Gobert, but Colbert
what didn't do everything.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And offensive threat.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now you get one Banyama, one ben Yama and Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
If you're the Spurs, hey, every one on our rosters
available and a bunch of draft picks. You pair Mitchell
and Wemby. They're a playoff team in the West next year.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, for sure, wem ben Yama will be.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Making the leap.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I just think that is as spicy as it gets
because they're not gonna get Paul George to go to
San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
He's just no.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think this is a really interesting take. That's a
really good and I also think Donovan Mitchell recently come well,
there was a leak that he was his teammates were
young and distracted like Wemby sleeps and plays basketball. Yeah,
sleeps and plays basketball like that kid is uber focused.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And you know, you just think about Donovan Mitchell. I know,
going west.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
You don't love that because the West is stacked, But
you're playing with one Ben Yama who is a superstar,
and they don't have too much else.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
They have two picks in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
If they can flip those to Cleveland, and let's be real,
Donovan Mitchell, who you want to play with, like Evan
Mobley and Jared Allen and whoever's left or Victor Wembinyama.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I think if Mitchell calls his shot, san Antonio makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
All right? Stand in the East. The Knicks very good
in the playoffs without Julius Randall, who is hurt? What's
the headline for Julius Randall next season?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Love Randall, but he's the biggest trade ship the Knicks have.
The headline for Julius Randall will be Julius child.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay See adds new cook to the kitchen. How about that?
Okay See needs toughness and rebounding.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
You could go center, but centers and kind of doesn't
really work with the five out offense. That Okay likes
Julius Renold can make threes. He's like a good interior
play the post. And Julius Renold can get you a bucket.
He can do the dirty work, so chet Holmgun doesn't
have to and Julius is not gonna cost okay see
that much. You don't want to disrupt too much of
(39:26):
the young chemistry, right, Sga?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
They love you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Probably wouldn't have to give up Wallace. You get to
keep uh give up?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Would you keep lou Dor?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I think you could keep lou Door.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You give up the other Jalen Williams and some future picks,
and you don't disrupt the chemistry because Renald's not gonna give
me the ball, black hole type of guy.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I think it works.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Okay, see is probably one guy away Colin from knocking
on the door of the NBA Finals like they took
the MAVs.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Hard to say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think Okaye's close. Julius Randall would make sense.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, you're coming up with some beauties here what I
do Tomorrows headlines today a lot of names floating around
with the Lakers next coach floating what say you?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, Well, I guess they probably can't pat pro pat
Riley from the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But maybe they could get the next pat Riley.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
The headline will be doctor jj LA Senior demands new
Reddick care.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I can't believe they did Lebron like that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Sorry, sorry King James, but it's starting to feel like
a formality right it. NBA Finals are not until June.
Jj Reddick will be announcing the NBA Finals. I don't
think you can say we're naming Reddick next week the
head coach and he.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Doesn't announce the finals, right. I think my guess is
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The longer this plays out, it's pretty clearly Reddick, and
they'll get him right after the finals when he's done
announcing the games for ABC. I don't hate the move.
I have some major questions for Lebron. He's gonna have
to have a good staff because Reddick has never coached.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I think the staff is really important in this higher
you know again, I mean of these guys. Steve Kerr
put together a great staff Boston this year. Upgraded staffs. Yeah,
and that that matters.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Rachel Nichols had a good point that when Riley went
from the announcing booth to the to coaching.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
He was a Laker announced assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, Laker announced, so he knew that he knew
their personnel up and down.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think Reddick's going to get
pushed back in the locker room. No, he's Lebron's got I.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Mean I think all coaches, good God, Spolster got pushed
back from Lebron in Miami and Kerr got pushed back
from k D. All coaches get pushed back. I mean
Pop got it from Kawai. So I think you just
have to build in. You're gonna get pushback. Basketball culture,
You're gonna get pushed back, even from the good guys.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
It's weird how Reddick's rise has been like astronomical, right,
I mean, it felt like he was playing like three
years ago and now he's announcing the NBA Finals and
he's going to coach the Lakers. Somebody out there loves
JJ Reddick and it seems like it's Lebron. Well, he's
I would say this, Tylu was probably the best choice.
Steve Balmer's like, you're not touching him with my new arena.
(42:03):
So you know, like I said earlier, you're not getting
one of the five guys like your Kerr, you'r Tylu,
your pop, your Spolstra. Then there's this next group of
guys that are highly respected, the Chris Finch level, Guy Malone,
where they're not quite in that legendary class yet maybe
Tyloo's in that second class, not the first whatever. But
you're not getting those guys, so because Balmer's not letting
you have ty Lou. And so then you get to
(42:25):
the third layer of guys, and it's mostly assistants who
have never been head coaches or who your stars like.
And I don't think there's a perfect choice. Reddick is
a star. I mean he's got brand name appeal for
the Lakherst. How about this outside the box name. I
haven't seen it mentioned. This guy was an announcer, he
was a famous coach, he was an announcer. He got
(42:47):
jettison by Aby's Van Gundy.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
He's a little older.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Did you see that story today? I couldn't believe it
that Van Gundy was always very critical of NBA officials
and the NBA lean on ESPN and that's why they
blew up that broadcasting booth which was which was an
unbelievable Breen Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. I thought were
they were.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Listen, Van Gundy went, uh he, I guess he wanted
the Milwaukee job that went to Doc Rivers. He kind
of wanted that. So now he's like an assistant I
believe in Boston.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Super bright guy.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Listen, Jeff Van Gundy knows basketball like he terri.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
He walks in to the Laker locker room and gets
respect instantly.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I'm surprised his name's not even mentioned.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That's a real story. NBA is like that guy rips
our league bounce him. I couldn't figure out why they
blew up that broadcasting group. It makes sense at all,
and it's like, oh, the riddle is solved. Bummer, all right,
we will J Mack is here tomorrow. Mahomes Patrick next
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