May 27, 2024 • 43 mins
Colin reacts more from the NBA playoffs, as well as the passing of basketball and broadcasting legend Bill Walton. Would Paul George fit with Jalen Brunson in New York? Plus, Chris Broussard stop by.
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Chris Drusard a little later, gotta give you credit. You
were on the MAVs now I still contend part of
your fascination and affinity for them is based on they
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have gunners and don't play much defense, but that changed
at the trading deadline. Now they defend and you brought
up something that's interesting. Minnesota Dallas. All the games were close,
but I feel the same way with five minutes left
in all of them, I'll take Luca.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, it's tough to pass up on Luca. I think
we starts a big Timberwolves guy who hasn't he been
celebrating Minnesota's run And this came to a screeching halt.
I mean, listen, by the way, Yeah, I think you
got to rethink Dallas MAVs in the final. Sorry, Dallas
Celtics in the finals. I think Dallas is a side column.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Why.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know how they defend Luca. Is it gonna
be Jalen Brown? Is it gonna be Tatum?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, nobody defends him.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, now, the only thing is if Porzingis comes back
and he's able to pull the center out and stretch
the floor. But even when Minnesota does that with Nasried
and Towns, it hasn't mattered.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like I don't know, let me taso.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Boston better get through Dallas now because the West is
not getting weaker.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And we'll see there's a report coming here next herdline
about a big name going east, so potentially potentially so
Boston does this is there's some pressure here to get
it done, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Boston and Dallas, each one went away from meeting in
the finals, and I think this matchup is about as
good as it could get for a championship series. The
big brand Celtics with two stars Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum,
and because of Mark Cuban's ownership, Dirk and the title,
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the MAVs carry some some gravitas and wait in this league.
And they've got the two best closers and the two
best stars finishing games in Luca and Kyrie Irving. You
have arguably the best player in the world Luca on
a heater, and you have arguably the best domestic player
in Jason Tatum. You have the drama of the Cells duo,
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when are Jalen Brown and Tatum finally going to deliver
a trophy to this story franchise? And you have the
Kyrie factor. He hated Boston, they didn't like him, So
four big factors. If you're not going to have a
dynasty Lebron, a Steph or a KD. This is as
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good as the finals can get. And if Porzingis is healthy,
I think I kind of like Boston and seven. But
I don't know that. I've been burying the MAVs all season.
I didn't like him against okees Okase. I didn't think
they beat Minnesota. But Boston to the finals is probably
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the easiest sports prediction of the last year. They were
forty one and eleven against the East and then the
Knicks fell apart and Haliburton's hurt and no Dame, no
Jannis embid wobbly listen. That was an easy one. Everybody
in the world picked Boston the finals. There was no
reason to be a contrarian. Dallas to the finals. Yeah,
I missed that about six times. I said it last week.
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I think Boston and this group is too good not
to win at least one title. They're weird, though odd historically,
they're a fifty to fifty bet at home against the
Eastern playoff teams. And I think Luca is too gifted
and too great for him not to win at least
one championship. And this series actually reminds me of one
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I covered about twenty four years ago, the Blazers and
the Lakers. So the Celtics are the Blazers, more quality,
b plus above players, a good staff, gave the Lakers
problems many times in the series. You thought the Blazers
a Scottie Pippin as a bonus, it could be Rasheen Wallace,
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Damon Stodommeyer. They had really good players. They had the
Lakers pin many games, took the lead in many games.
That's the Celtics, a deeper quality team of B plus players.
And then there's the MAVs, which remind me a little
bit of the Lakers. The two best closers, Shack and Kobe,
won the series in seven, the two best closers at
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the time on the planet, one inside one perimeter. That
series went back and forth. Those were the two best teams.
Both would have been beaten Indiana in the finals. One
did the Lakers. Portland would have, but for a majority
of that series I was in Portland. I thought Portland
was better, and they were until that slam dunk from
Kobe to Shack and then the closers coffees for closers
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closed it. And that's how I feel about this series.
I've been betting against Kyrie and Luca now for a
month and they're both in a heater, and Kyrie was
a big swing and aggressive wins in sports, and offense
wins in basketball. I know, I know, I know, defense
wins championships. Yeah, I'm gona take Mahomes fourth quarter. I
don't care what his defense looks like. And it is
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really hard to bet against Luca and Kyrie because they
are the two best closers in this series.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And Barkley talked about it after.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
As a guard A Michael A Kobe, give me some
other guys team back Stef Curry.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
That's no substant You can't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You can't stop great one on one players because you
can make them take tough shots, but they're gonna get
the shot they won't. Kyrie and lucare gonna get the
shot they won't.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, the degree of difficulty Luca takes with about half
his shots is remarkable, and it feels like sixty five
percent go in. So I think I like Boston if
Porzingis is healthy. But I've been saying this against every
team that faces Dallas. I thought Okayse was gonna beat
him with their youth. Luca was all banged up. I
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thought Minnesota would probably win their size in six or seven.
I even thought the Clippers would give the Mavericks problems.
He is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Can't wait for it.
Celtics will wrap up their series. I presume tonight Dallas
will wrap up Theirs in a couple of days. And
I want to talk about Kyrie Irving. I've had my
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issues with Kyrie Irving, although when they made this deal
on February fifth, couple years ago, I said at the time,
you got to take a swing. Mark Cuban's taking a swing.
You got to get Lucas somebody, or he'll leave town.
Kyrie is actually fascinating. He is the dilemma even the
top gms in the NBA face when you have an
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all time talent that can be moody and difficult on
a regular basis, What do you do? He was a
disaster in Boston, mostly a disaster in Brooklyn. Before Lebron
got the Cleveland nobody liked him and his first year
was a tad turbulent in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But right now it's incredible. And in the NFL it's different.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
In the National Football League, your top stars usually get
in line with the coach and the culture and the
offense defense special team system. They get in line. But
the NFL is not a star driven league. It's not
it's a roster driven, shield driven, gm coach driven league
with stars. The NBA is a star driven league like
international soccer, and they're going to get what they want.
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And most guys are good guys, but some guys are
petulant and moody and difficult and yet all world. And
it's why even the best general managers like Pat Riley
are going to take swings on a Jimmy Butler, a Kawhi,
Leonard Kyrie, Irving, a James Harden When you get these
players that are just different. If that players in the
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right frame of mind, you get trophies. You secure your job,
your coach's job, your family security. And that's why people
take swings. I mean, I think it's been PJ. Washington
and Effort have been very very nice supplemental pieces, but
no Kyrie and Dallas is already out of the playoffs.
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February fifth, twenty twenty three. We looked it up this morning.
I said, when Dallas went after Kyrie, well, it's going
to be good or bad, but they're going to be
a handful and they're going to be nights that you
can't stop them. And this is an offensive league over
a defensive league. Do you realize in the playoffs, Kyrie
leads the postseason and fourth quarter points and that's playing
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with Luca. That's playing with the best scorer in the playoffs.
So Luca needed a running mate. They got him one
with a history of being difficult and moody and tempora
mental and his own guy. But I've been watching this
league forever, and aggressive wins in sports, and you gotta
take swings. And the Mavericks' best two closers in the
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world right now are planning in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Here's some thoughts. Unbelievable, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
They call him some people the four quarter right, just amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He's score with thirty three.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You know, he's born for this situation here, boring it
for the clutch situations.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So we just give the both to.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Him going into Game four. So zero zero, And that's
the type of motivation and mentality we have in that
locker room. It's not just me. We feel like the
job isn't finished and we're going against one of the
greatest teams in the world. You know, they still have
the capability of beating us when any given night. Got
to appreciate where we are. But at the same time,
don't take it for granted, and don't take the other
team for granted, because they're pretty sure they're going to
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watch this interview. They're going to study all our habits
and see if we, you know, lay down a little
bit and get comfortable. I don't want to get comfortable
at all. I want to push forward even more so
and have our best game game.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For the best people in any business are in it
to get the ring, and Dallas looks like they're good
enough to keep Boston from getting it even one more time.
So j Mack, they have been your team. I will
say it. For a three to zero series, the te
Wolves Mavericks is a really fun watch. It doesn't feel
that lobsided. Whereas Boston feels like significantly better than Indiana,
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Dallas feels better than Minnesota. But the games are tight.
Dallas has too many bad half court offensive possessions, and
when you have Luca and Kyrie, you have very few
of those. So the right team is leading the series,
but you can see Minnesota picking up a win. I
doubt it, but Minnesota was built to beat Denver, as
we've talked about, They're not built to beat Dallas and
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There's also something about teams grow like Dallas. Before the PJ.
Washington Gafford moves, they weren't the same team. It wasn't
the same So they're a different team than they were
early in the season. So that's why when you went
into the Minnesota Dallas series, you could not take all
their earlier matchups. We've seen that. You see it in
college football now teams have an issue. Then there's the
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transfer portal, and you see it sometimes in the NFL
where Houston's a laughingstock. Oh wait, they get CJ. Stroud,
a good coach. They're a playoff team. So what's fun
about sports if you pay attention are the trade deadlines,
the draft. The NBA draft does not give you any
immediate help like the NFL does, but the trade deadline
gives you help.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Dallas is out.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Of the playoffs, even with Kyrie, potentially without this front
line to match up against an OKC and in Minnesota,
so the supplemental players, it's just give Dallas credit. Big
swing on Kyrie, big swing at the deadline. Dallas tends
to be that's kind of the way to do it.
Big swings in big d and it's paid off Chris
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Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, we said to start our show today, and we
just talked about it fifteen minutes ago that there's no
reason to belabor the point it's going to be the
MAVs and it's going to be the Celtics. Celtics was
an easy prediction. I didn't know what would happen. I said,
I'll take Minnesota in seven. Chris Brusard joining us live.
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I did say that Kat has always reminded me of
Rashid Wallace. Given Knight, he can go toe to toe
with the great bigs in the league, but you never
know when that night's coming. And that Anthony Edwards, as
he probably by the end of next year really becomes
a refined star twenty seven a night, He's not going
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to have these swings in a year. Perhaps that he
needs a better Robin, he needs a more dependable two,
a less emotional to a Pippin too, his Jordan. When
I watched this series, you can blame Ant, but I
don't think inside the building they're blaming Ant. How do
you think it's in the building being down three to
Zer's going.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Yeah, First of all, I think that's a great comparison
about Rashid Wallace. Now, Rashid obviously had way more street
cred than Karl Anthony Towns, but you're right. I mean
when he was the one in Portland. They were good,
but they just never could get over the hump. But
when he goes to Denver and I'm sorry, Detroit, and
what was he the third offensive option?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yep, probably he was.
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Superb And I he won a championship.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
You're right, I mean it's not on And look, Colin,
no twenty two year old player, And I should have
I knew this, but I thought, with the help of
Kat and Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley, that Anthony Edwards
could get them over the hump. But no twenty two
year old player has ever led, Meaning he was the
best player on a n NBA championship team. And the
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history of the league, that's dating back to George Mikeen
and all of that. Tim Duncan was twenty three when
he won his first championship, and you had David Robinson
who was still pretty toward the end of his prime
at that point. Magic of course was twenty, but he
wasn't the best play He's twenty two when he won
his second win. Kareem was still the best player on
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the Lakers bird Bill Russell they were twenty four. So
Anthony Edwards is learning and Kylin we're seeing why no
twenty two year old has ever led a team to
a championship.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Because he's not.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
You know, he's still figuring out when do I be aggressive,
when do I get others involved?
Speaker 9 (16:05):
When do I try to take over?
Speaker 8 (16:07):
And even the thing what he's said like challenging Kyrie,
I mean he didn't know better, you know, And so
I think this will ultimately go down for him years
from now, like Jordan getting beaten by Detroit the Jordan rules,
Like Isaiah Thomas throwing to pass away that Larry Bird
stole when they Detroit should have beat Boston. Lebron getting
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swept by the Spurs at twenty two years old in
two thousand and seven, like eventually later in his career,
this will be how that's looked at growing pains. But
Carl Anthony Towns, it's gonna be interesting to see what
they do Collin, because the question now is is he
good enough to be your number two on a championship team.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
He's really good.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
His career numbers are spectacular, and there's an argument to
back up what he said about being the best, shooting, big,
every and all that stuff, But in this moment, he's
you can't shoot twenty seven percent from the floor and
thirteen percent from three in a Western Conference final maybe
one game, yeah, but you can't do that through through
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three full games, and that ultimately is what is killing them.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I look at Kyrie Irving and I went back this
morning and we looked it up. It was February fifth,
a couple years ago, and I said, I supported the
Mavericks taking a swing on Kyrie. I said it'll be
turbulent and bumpy, but it took them. Mark Cuban's a
smart guy. They got one championship out of it, and
he tried multiple players. And my take is it's not
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all on Kyrie. Luca can be difficult. Poor zingis didn't work.
He suppressed Jalen Brunson much greater than we thought. But
I had some real misgivings because I always feel like
Kyrie's got to be in the right headspace to really
be at his best. Some guys can just like burrow
through it. That's not really who are you surprised or
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how surprised by this sort of linear success, no steps back,
he's defending, he's playing at a high level. Are you
surprised by it?
Speaker 8 (18:14):
I'm surprised by how he's been this whole season because
Colin I wouldn't look. And I've been a fan of Kyrie,
and I've actually been somewhat sympathetic to him throughout his
career because I've seen a lot of young men, particularly
young African American men, kind of come of age in
their twenties as they start learning more Black history and
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things like that, which is a lot of the reading
he was doing. And you get angry, you make comments,
you know, you just you're going, you're growing. And most
of the guys I know that have done it have
done it anonymously. Kyrie had to do it in the
fish bowl of the NBA, So a lot of things
he said and did just didn't come off the right way.
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And he'll, you know, I don't know that he'd reference
those things specifically, but he talked about how he's just
grown and at twenty three and twenty four, you didn't
know as much as you thought you did. And I
thought Colin I was just so exasperated with Kyrie not
really maximizing his career. I felt like, because of the
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off the court issues and also because of injuries, that
he had really only been about seventy five percent of
the player he could have been, and he still was
a Hall of Famer in my view, and I thought
he's not going to change anytime soon. There's going to
be some off the court distractions, and if the Mavericks
gave him a long term deal, I thought he would
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mess it up somehow, and I didn't think they should
sign him. And I was wrong, because they did sign him.
He didn't get the MAX and maybe that's something, you know,
maybe that woke him up a little bit, to see, man,
I didn't get all the money I deserve for how
good of a player I am.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Maybe that woke him up.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
He has been spectacular, not only in his play but
in his leadership and Colin Kyrie Irving, like I said,
I'm certain he'll be a Hall of Famer. And if
he wins this championship, who knows what his legacy will be,
how much it'll grow. I've always said, I think he'll
be iconic, like ten twenty thirty years from now. People
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remember him because of his ball handling and wizardry around
the basket, but he is really take all the other
stuff away. Basketball wise, man, it's hard pressed to find
guards his size throughout history who are better than him,
just skill wise and as a player.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, no, it's a short list.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Finally, without going too far in, I said, I think
if Porzingis is healthy, I think I like Boston, but
the pressure will be all on Boston. So I may
like the MAVs because if they go, if they go
toe to toe in the final, a little bit of
this Dallas transformation has happened since the trade deadline. This
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Boston thing's been building for years and years and years,
and the pressure in seven years together.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I don't I really don't know who I like. What
say you?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
It's a great matchup, and you got some off the
court things for Zingers. Of course Dallas didn't want him. Uh,
Kyrie had his issues at Boston, so there's all types
of storylines. I think colin Boston does match up well
with them. They've got two of the best perimeter defenders
in the league, Drew Holliday and Derek White to throw
at Kyrie. You got size in addition to those two,
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but you got size in Jylen Brown and Jason Tatum
to throw at Luca. And they spread the floor offensively
with their five man out offense. And so now a
Gafford and and maybe a Lively. They're gonna have to
get out there on the on the floor perimeter and
guard rather than sitting at the rim and protecting it
like they're doing against Minnesota. So I think Boston matches
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up well. Right now, I'm leaning I think I'm gonna
pick Dallas because it's kind of like two stars in Boston,
Jalen and Jason against two stars in Dallas, right with
Kyrie and Luca. Luca's the best player in the series. Probably,
I'm leaning strongly toward Dallas, but I do think there
are reasons to pick Boston because they match up well
with them.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Chris Bruce Hard First things first, on a memorial Dad,
appreciate you giving us timing man. All right, Colin, thanks,
yeah it is you go back to I mean, Lively
has been a remarkable draft pick for them. You know,
they went and got the they went and got the
Nike guy, put him in the front office. We're all like,
what's going on, a lot of pushback the draft, the
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trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Kyrie, he's hit and not a lot of misses. J
Mack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, Let's start with some Somber News Hall of
Famer Bill Waller has passed away at the age of
seventy one after a prolonged battle with cancer. Walton's story
career began in college. Two titles at UCLA, three time
consensus Player of the Year in college three times, arguably
the best college player ever. I mean that's how good
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he was. Certainly up there, Yeah, yeah, John Wooden and
his kind of hippie personality. You know, when he went
to the school, John Wooden said you have to get
a haircut, and Bill Walton said, I'm not going to
get a haircut, and John Wooden said, well, we'll miss you.
And he got on his bicycle at Westwood and went
across the street to a barber. Won a title with
Portland in seventy seven, yes their only title, and then
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with the Celtic iteration of the Larry Bird Celtics, it
was I think eighty six Celtics and that was a
great team, maybe one of their best ever. So injury
season NBA MVP two like this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
If Bill Walton would have not had the injuries, there
is and I'm dead serious, after Kareem, I think he
would have been the greatest center of all time. Russell
was more defense. Walton could do both. He was a
brilliant passing big. He had a little bit of yokitch
and then he saw the floor for a big, super smart.
He played a game against Memphis, a National championship game.
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You could look it up. I think he went twenty
three of twenty five from the floor. So I think
there's an argument that he is a top two college
player ever and an iconic figure, a quirky personality, and
to the very end, very close friends John Wooden. They
had two totally different personalities, but Bill and John really
struck it after their time together, a little.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Before my time.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So I remember him as an announcer and he's just
awesome calling Pack twelve games and you know, just fun personality, well,
dead fan, deadhead, just a vibrant personality, and yeah, man,
that's a bummer. Bill Walton passes away at the age
of seventy one. All right over to the NBA columnist.
Paul George situation could start to heat up here in
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the coming days. Here's the absolute latest. According to a
report in Philadelphia, the Clippers are holding out hope that Paul.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
George will take less money to stay there.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because they're not offer him offering him a MAX deal
which he's eligible for.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
Kawhi took less than the max three years one hundred
and fifty two mils.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So who swoops in the Philadelphia seventy six ers who
have a max salary spot.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
And can offer him the four years two hundred twenty one.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They basically have Embid maxie and then a wide open.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
All canvas that's a that's an Eastern Conference Finals team
maxi embiid.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
In question is does Paul George want to leave LA
and the Clippers, which you know James Harden, Kawhi and
Paul George. For a while there they look like the
team to beat in the West Colins. They had like
a two month stritch when they were healthy. But does
Paul George leave that for a little more money and
life in Philadelphia alongside Joel Embid who can never get
over the hub, who's always injured.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think he would stay in Los Angeles New Arena.
L a kid if you don't when when athletes have
a choice, star athletes just don't very regularly leave LA.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
They can hide.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Here in the hills, the canyons, in their you know, suburbs.
Players just love LA. So many pro athletes live here
in the off season of their particular sport, So I
think he'd stay opening arena. And I also think, you know, Kawhi,
I don't think Harden's going to be with the Clippers long.
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I think I think they'll keep Kawhi. He's a great
wing defender. I think the James Harden Clipper story will
end this offseason. I think he'll bounce around. I'd better
report yesterday's oria a little unhappy.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He's unhappy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
The other thing is, do you want to leave an
always injured Kawhi for an always injured and beat I don't.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Know that that's is that much of an upgrade?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now that the kicker is Philly has a much easier
path to the finals.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know you stay with the Clippers. Oh God, I'll
tell you this.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think he works in New York absolutely with Brunson,
Heart Devincenzo. If you keep Mitchell Robinson, you move off
Bogdanovich and Julius Randall. He becomes you know, your three
and D guy can play on the bolt.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Could the nick cel the Clippers? Hey, you guys are
starting a new arena. You got to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Here's five picks, take all our picks. Give us Paul George.
I mean that Paul George would fit great with Bruns.
He's not needy, doesn't need to be the star. Not
gonna take the ball out of your hands. But all
of this panted defenre on the Celtics colling. They know
this is a finals because it's only gonna get tougher.
Somebody's gonna get Paul George. We don't know what's going
on with Donovan Mitchell. The East people are going to
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see it like, look at the path the Pacers got
to the conference finals. Why can't I go to the
East and get there? So I think Paul George is
the first, probably Domino to fall Donovan Mitchell maybe second.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, I mean I'm not We're not counting Lebron right,
he's not consymore final story is Game four tonight. Pacers
Celtics Tyrese Haliburt and miss game through the hamstring strain.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
No word yet on his Game four status.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You can see the injury suffered here on a great
Jason Tatum fake.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
It feels like.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
If you're Halliburton, maybe you give it a go. But
like og An and Obi. In Game seven, he went
out there for five minutes. I was like this, I
can't do anything. I made two lucky shots. I was
a liability on defense. What am I doing out here?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Caliburton's very good, but they're not winning this game. They're
not winning the series.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean it's somebody had to end up in the
Eastern Conference Finals beyond Boston and Philadelphia never delivers. Milwaukee
got hurt, the Knicks fell apart. Yeah, I mean somebody
at the end up.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
In Miami got hurt after making it last night.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Why not a young, well coached, feisty, fast tempo Pacers too.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Now, as some Celtics fans will remind you, last year,
Celtics fell down three to Miami, won the next three
to fourth Game seven, and then lost when Tatum got hurt.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Any you bet I'm staying away from tat your Celtics
dye and no action.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm watching it.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
You're watching half of it? Well, I'm to be over
at half time.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie Tom Brady gave
us almost thirty minutes earlier today and we're going to
bring back a portion of that. He joined us from
a beautiful, undisclosed location. He had a nicer studio than
we did today and we touched on various topics and
we'll bring that next in the Herd.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at Nooneaster, not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So we were lucky enough today on this Memorial Day.
And thanks again for tuning in today that Tom Brady
was wrapping up a vacation and we got him. He
debuts here at Fox officially for the Dallas Cowboys and
the Cleveland Browns game as part of the Fox NFL schedule,
which is as usual robust. Those Sunday afternoon games are
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gold bars to us, and Tom's going to be on
the call with Kevin Burkhart and all of those big games.
And we talked about a variety of things, Kansas City,
tom Brady broadcasting young quarterbacks, his history in Tampa and
New England. But I asked him about his competitiveness on
and off the field and if that's just really who
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he is.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were. As a player and as an athlete,
I love that competition. I relish that competition practice. If
it was a game, if it was ping pong, if
we're playing trashketball in the locker room, I wanted to win.
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
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little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
Competitive at everything. It's a little more selective.
Speaker 11 (30:49):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
In a little bit of my time, a little bit
of my energy into it.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
Certainly with the broadcaster, I don't think for me it's
about competition. I think it's for me it's about did
I put everything I could into it? And I did
I give the fans everything that they tuned in for?
And that's really how I end up gauging myself. And
I'll have to look at myself at the end of
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every Sunday night going Did I do a good enough job?
Speaker 10 (31:23):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations.
Speaker 11 (31:28):
Of my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and
Richie's ions and rich Russo and our entire truck, the
entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in
that new role.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, good guys to work for.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I want you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I just saw a story.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sean Payton was texting me last night about bo Nix
and how happy he was with him, and then he
talked about it publicly, and we thought it was a
good fit because so much in life is fit. You know,
there's a million jobs our kids could get in the workforce,
but what fits your personality and your drive and your ascension.
And I thought bo I thought he was Drew Brees
with mobility. Neither throws a great deep ball, both a
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little undersized. And I want you to go back to
your first camp because I don't care it's Michael Pennix
or it's Caleb. Now, Caleb's a little grooved in here.
You know, Denver doesn't have a great roster. You know
some of these kids, c J. Stroud had to wing
it on the fly a little bit. I want you
to You may have had nightmares about it and tried
to suppress these memories, but go back to your first camp.
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I don't view Tom Brady as nervous, but was their anxiety?
Were there times you thought I'm over my skis here.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
It's a great question, I think naturally as an athlete,
we're all going to question as we move up to
the next level. Are we capable? Are we enough? For
most of the answers, I think we don't know. We're
going to have to wait and see the development. And
everyone asked me all the time around the draft pre draft,
which of these kids is going to be the most successful.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
There's two answers. One it's up to them, and two.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Is show me the people that are around them and
are helping to develop them. It's not necessarily about someone's
physical potential all the time. So much of it is
about can you retain information? Can you process it? Can
you use the information? Are you willing to study and
go through the intricate details of the game, Like Drew
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Brees was, like Peyton Manning was, like Philip Rivers was
like some of the all time great John Elway was
some of the all time great quarterbacks. Were you could
be very physically talented, You could absolutely go to the
wrong fit and have a coach instruct you to do
things that are almost impossible to do right. You can't
assume that what these young athletes are being told that
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every coach is the same. Some coach may have one perspective,
another coach may have another perspective. So why was I
fortunate because I came into the Patriots when Belichick was there.
He's the one that helped develop me. Charlie Weiss was there,
he helped develop me. Later in my career, Josh McDaniels
was there. He helped develop me. I could not have
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been the player I was without people like that impacting
my career.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
My first year, I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to.
He took all the reps.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
I got to sit there from behind and watch him
every single day.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I had a real mentor to look up to, and.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Drew so some of these teams, and you look at
Jordan Love who I was watching some of those clips
that you had on before I came on, but he
had Aaron Rodgers to watch. That's that's the best type
of training, in my opinion, Watch someone else do it
at a very high level and then try to emulate
them with your own personality.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
Maybe a little bit of the misnomer with the.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Draft is that these players can come in and all
of a sudden become this great professional player before they've
really had.
Speaker 10 (34:58):
The training and the development.
Speaker 11 (35:00):
And it was rare for quite a while for rookie
quarterbacks to come in and play. Maybe if you're the
first overall pick, but not if you're a second rounder,
a third rounder. You had a chance to be groomed. Well,
we're not allowing them to do that much anymore. Now
we're throwing them out there. Let's see what you can do.
And it's a really challenging thing. If I was a
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young quarterback in this day and age to go out
there with the pressure of the agents and the families,
the schools, the social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner,
How did these kids live up to that?
Speaker 10 (35:34):
I think it's a real challenge for these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Hopefully they go into a system that can embrace them,
that can fit in.
Speaker 10 (35:43):
Multitude they are.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Hopefully they have coaches around them that can develop them
in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done. And I grew up in the seventies, so
it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers didn't
win three straight championships. You couldn't score on him. Forget
Swan and Bradshaw and Frank o'herrett, you couldn't score on him.
And then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the
Niners and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want
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you to go to the years that you won a
Super Bowl. Let's stay in New England because in Tampa
you brought everybody back, which can actually work the opposite
whether you get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman,
who's become a friend, talks about this on could you
tell Tom in the camp after you won a Super Bowl?
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Would there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man,
that was a bad practice. We got a super Bowl hangover?
Did you fight that? Could you sense that.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
There was?
Speaker 11 (36:48):
To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging, as we know.
Even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers, it
is an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of air was razor thin. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
It's very rare.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
I mean, I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl. We play less than
our best game. The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, They're all well coached. The margin
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of air is razor thin. So to win one Super
Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back to back
what the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why we haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
Win win in a row.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, I remember that year, and that was the Glendale,
Arizona Super Bowl for the Giants. I had been I
think during Thanksgiving or I had Christmas sometime. I had
been in New York with my wife An. We went
to an Irish bar and it was pretty quiet and
we watched the Giants play the Patriots. It was like
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the last game of the regular season, and the Patriots won,
but they had struggled at times to block the Giants front.
It had strayhand and talk and Ocu Manora like really
good front. And then I remember thinking, well, they'll still
a better team, They'll get it figured out. And then
you go to the Super Bowl with the Giants and
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I'm Brady the Patriots undefeated, and the very first drive,
I remember New England tried some counter or some like
reverse and it just got snuffed. And I remember thinking, oh,
this feels this feels like once again they're struggling to
block that great defensive front for the New York Giants.
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And you go back to that Super Bowl. It really
wasn't until the end that it felt like New England
just couldn't. Every yard, every first down was so difficult.
And then you know, once you get into late game situations,
David Tyree, Mario Manningham, Nick Foles, you want to get
rid of teams early because when you're an underdog and
all of a sudden it's close late, that's when the
favorite gets tight. That's what I thought about the Celtics
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and the Mavericks. I'm thinking about as Chris Bruce Arg's
talking about it, all the pressures on the Celtics. It's
seven years that Jalen Brown and Tatum have been together,
and we thought they'd have a title mind now, and
they got there once and kind of folded against the
Warriors in the last three games of the series.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Now they were.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Up to one going home in control, folded, and now
it's like, oh, all the pressure's on Boston. None of
it's on Dallas. I mean, Luke is a kid. Kyrie's
already got a bag enter ring. So the Kyrie's legacy
money game fame Boston and OKC, He's getting better. Denver's
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favored next year. You know, the Knicks, the Bucks. Where
does Paul George go Philadelphia? Telling you right now a
lot of pressure on Boston? Can you dial back? The
folded against Golden State up to one?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I mean, I'm sorry they lost to a top fifteen
player all time in Steph Curry, who went just volcanic
against them in Game four, hitting all the clutch shots.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
Like those are young guys that Tatum was? How old
in that finals? Like twenty two, twenty three?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
He wasn't sixteen? Wasn't that long ago?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I don't Anthony Edwards is folding right now. Nobody's nobody
saying anything about Anthony.
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Oh he's only twenty two, but Tatum in the finals.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, well, age does matter, ants proof it does matter,
So it's not an age thing. It's a relentless Boston media.
They've had a coast to the playoffs forty one and
eleven against the East, rarely been challenged, but they were
five hundred against good Western teams. So it's like, you know,
everybody in Boston's the city of champions, Bruins, Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics,
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like their standard is very high.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
Yeah, Brusard said something interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Lively has been such a factor in the paint, right,
So who does he defend on Boston which is going
to play five out as opposed to Minnesota, which can't
play five out unless they bench go Beart.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
Lively not there, will tATu.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Will it be a layup line because we know Lucas
struggled Man and Man Devins Kyrie's been great defensively.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
It's gonna be a great finals. I'll still take the
maps reluctant.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I think it's really close.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Feels like a coin flip. It feels like a seven gamer.
The twenty third of June Finals, we'll have a Monday show.
Maybe just fly off to a vacation that'd be a
great last show before vacation. Monday, the twenty fourth of
June Sunday, the twenty third, Game seven.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I think that's game personal reasons.
Speaker 9 (41:41):
I hope it goes sixth.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I'll just say, by the way, we have some notable games.
Tom Brady'll be doing, the staff says in the back.
So Tom Brady's first year Cowboys, Browns, Ravens at the Cowboys,
Lions at the Cowboys, Chiefs at the Niner. Those are
some good games, Jesus, those are a good games.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It seems like Brady's only getting the playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You remember it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
There's gaps in between those games, but those are you
know that Cowboys Eagles week seventeen, that's probably that's a
That's that's a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Lions Packers, that's that's a spicy matchup. Those are two
buy on teams for you. Well, I think Detroit's got
the personnel to win a Super Bowl. I don't know
if Green Bay does. They're they're they're really young, They're
like really really young. Lions are really young in some spots.
But Pinae Suel is no longer a kid. Go Fomer
on Saint Brown you know those guys have been around now. Yeah,
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so the Hunter versus the Hunt did for the Lions
is their storyline this year. You know everybody, They're not
sneaking up on anybody.
Speaker 9 (42:46):
Everybody's ready for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I think that's why a lot of people, you know,
plus they have a you know, a first place schedule,
so you have a harder schedule. So yeah, I mean,
I I they'll be fine, will they be great? But
I I do think I think last year was the
down year in the NFC. I think Detroit's better. I
think Green Bay will be better. I think Philadelphia with
Saquon and new coordinators will be better. The Rams will
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be better. I think Arizona's going to be fighting.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Oh, Kyler Murray, are.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You hanging out with Kyler Murray this past weekend? Is
that what you're throwing him in here and throwing him about?
In the final.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Kyler and I are very close. He trusts me, I
trust him. All right, We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks Tom
Brady for stopping buying Chris Brussard in La the Herd
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We do appreciate you stopping buythers all with so many
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their families and people in the military. Thank you for
your support and willingness to fight for our freedoms. Jmac
Chris Drusard a little later, gotta give you credit. You
were on the MAVs now I still contend part of
your fascination and affinity for them is based on they
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have gunners and don't play much defense, but that changed
at the trading deadline. Now they defend and you brought
up something that's interesting. Minnesota Dallas. All the games were close,
but I feel the same way with five minutes left
in all of them, I'll take Luca.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, it's tough to pass up on Luca. I think
we starts a big Timberwolves guy who hasn't he been
celebrating Minnesota's run And this came to a screeching halt.
I mean, listen, by the way, Yeah, I think you
got to rethink Dallas MAVs in the final. Sorry, Dallas
Celtics in the finals. I think Dallas is a side column.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Why.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know how they defend Luca. Is it gonna
be Jalen Brown? Is it gonna be Tatum?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, nobody defends him.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, now, the only thing is if Porzingis comes back
and he's able to pull the center out and stretch
the floor. But even when Minnesota does that with Nasried
and Towns, it hasn't mattered.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like I don't know, let me taso.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Boston better get through Dallas now because the West is
not getting weaker.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And we'll see there's a report coming here next herdline
about a big name going east, so potentially potentially so
Boston does this is there's some pressure here to get
it done, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Boston and Dallas, each one went away from meeting in
the finals, and I think this matchup is about as
good as it could get for a championship series. The
big brand Celtics with two stars Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum,
and because of Mark Cuban's ownership, Dirk and the title,
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the MAVs carry some some gravitas and wait in this league.
And they've got the two best closers and the two
best stars finishing games in Luca and Kyrie Irving. You
have arguably the best player in the world Luca on
a heater, and you have arguably the best domestic player
in Jason Tatum. You have the drama of the Cells duo,
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when are Jalen Brown and Tatum finally going to deliver
a trophy to this story franchise? And you have the
Kyrie factor. He hated Boston, they didn't like him, So
four big factors. If you're not going to have a
dynasty Lebron, a Steph or a KD. This is as
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good as the finals can get. And if Porzingis is healthy,
I think I kind of like Boston and seven. But
I don't know that. I've been burying the MAVs all season.
I didn't like him against okees Okase. I didn't think
they beat Minnesota. But Boston to the finals is probably
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the easiest sports prediction of the last year. They were
forty one and eleven against the East and then the
Knicks fell apart and Haliburton's hurt and no Dame, no
Jannis embid wobbly listen. That was an easy one. Everybody
in the world picked Boston the finals. There was no
reason to be a contrarian. Dallas to the finals. Yeah,
I missed that about six times. I said it last week.
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I think Boston and this group is too good not
to win at least one title. They're weird, though odd historically,
they're a fifty to fifty bet at home against the
Eastern playoff teams. And I think Luca is too gifted
and too great for him not to win at least
one championship. And this series actually reminds me of one
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I covered about twenty four years ago, the Blazers and
the Lakers. So the Celtics are the Blazers, more quality,
b plus above players, a good staff, gave the Lakers
problems many times in the series. You thought the Blazers
a Scottie Pippin as a bonus, it could be Rasheen Wallace,
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Damon Stodommeyer. They had really good players. They had the
Lakers pin many games, took the lead in many games.
That's the Celtics, a deeper quality team of B plus players.
And then there's the MAVs, which remind me a little
bit of the Lakers. The two best closers, Shack and Kobe,
won the series in seven, the two best closers at
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the time on the planet, one inside one perimeter. That
series went back and forth. Those were the two best teams.
Both would have been beaten Indiana in the finals. One
did the Lakers. Portland would have, but for a majority
of that series I was in Portland. I thought Portland
was better, and they were until that slam dunk from
Kobe to Shack and then the closers coffees for closers
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closed it. And that's how I feel about this series.
I've been betting against Kyrie and Luca now for a
month and they're both in a heater, and Kyrie was
a big swing and aggressive wins in sports, and offense
wins in basketball. I know, I know, I know, defense
wins championships. Yeah, I'm gona take Mahomes fourth quarter. I
don't care what his defense looks like. And it is
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really hard to bet against Luca and Kyrie because they
are the two best closers in this series.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And Barkley talked about it after.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
As a guard A Michael A Kobe, give me some
other guys team back Stef Curry.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
That's no substant You can't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You can't stop great one on one players because you
can make them take tough shots, but they're gonna get
the shot they won't. Kyrie and lucare gonna get the
shot they won't.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, the degree of difficulty Luca takes with about half
his shots is remarkable, and it feels like sixty five
percent go in. So I think I like Boston if
Porzingis is healthy. But I've been saying this against every
team that faces Dallas. I thought Okayse was gonna beat
him with their youth. Luca was all banged up. I
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thought Minnesota would probably win their size in six or seven.
I even thought the Clippers would give the Mavericks problems.
He is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Can't wait for it.
Celtics will wrap up their series. I presume tonight Dallas
will wrap up Theirs in a couple of days. And
I want to talk about Kyrie Irving. I've had my
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issues with Kyrie Irving, although when they made this deal
on February fifth, couple years ago, I said at the time,
you got to take a swing. Mark Cuban's taking a swing.
You got to get Lucas somebody, or he'll leave town.
Kyrie is actually fascinating. He is the dilemma even the
top gms in the NBA face when you have an
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all time talent that can be moody and difficult on
a regular basis, What do you do? He was a
disaster in Boston, mostly a disaster in Brooklyn. Before Lebron
got the Cleveland nobody liked him and his first year
was a tad turbulent in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But right now it's incredible. And in the NFL it's different.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
In the National Football League, your top stars usually get
in line with the coach and the culture and the
offense defense special team system. They get in line. But
the NFL is not a star driven league. It's not
it's a roster driven, shield driven, gm coach driven league
with stars. The NBA is a star driven league like
international soccer, and they're going to get what they want.
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And most guys are good guys, but some guys are
petulant and moody and difficult and yet all world. And
it's why even the best general managers like Pat Riley
are going to take swings on a Jimmy Butler, a Kawhi,
Leonard Kyrie, Irving, a James Harden When you get these
players that are just different. If that players in the
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right frame of mind, you get trophies. You secure your job,
your coach's job, your family security. And that's why people
take swings. I mean, I think it's been PJ. Washington
and Effort have been very very nice supplemental pieces, but
no Kyrie and Dallas is already out of the playoffs.
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February fifth, twenty twenty three. We looked it up this morning.
I said, when Dallas went after Kyrie, well, it's going
to be good or bad, but they're going to be
a handful and they're going to be nights that you
can't stop them. And this is an offensive league over
a defensive league. Do you realize in the playoffs, Kyrie
leads the postseason and fourth quarter points and that's playing
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with Luca. That's playing with the best scorer in the playoffs.
So Luca needed a running mate. They got him one
with a history of being difficult and moody and tempora
mental and his own guy. But I've been watching this
league forever, and aggressive wins in sports, and you gotta
take swings. And the Mavericks' best two closers in the
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world right now are planning in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Here's some thoughts. Unbelievable, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
They call him some people the four quarter right, just amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He's score with thirty three.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You know, he's born for this situation here, boring it
for the clutch situations.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So we just give the both to.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Him going into Game four. So zero zero, And that's
the type of motivation and mentality we have in that
locker room. It's not just me. We feel like the
job isn't finished and we're going against one of the
greatest teams in the world. You know, they still have
the capability of beating us when any given night. Got
to appreciate where we are. But at the same time,
don't take it for granted, and don't take the other
team for granted, because they're pretty sure they're going to
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watch this interview. They're going to study all our habits
and see if we, you know, lay down a little
bit and get comfortable. I don't want to get comfortable
at all. I want to push forward even more so
and have our best game game.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For the best people in any business are in it
to get the ring, and Dallas looks like they're good
enough to keep Boston from getting it even one more time.
So j Mack, they have been your team. I will
say it. For a three to zero series, the te
Wolves Mavericks is a really fun watch. It doesn't feel
that lobsided. Whereas Boston feels like significantly better than Indiana,
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Dallas feels better than Minnesota. But the games are tight.
Dallas has too many bad half court offensive possessions, and
when you have Luca and Kyrie, you have very few
of those. So the right team is leading the series,
but you can see Minnesota picking up a win. I
doubt it, but Minnesota was built to beat Denver, as
we've talked about, They're not built to beat Dallas and
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There's also something about teams grow like Dallas. Before the PJ.
Washington Gafford moves, they weren't the same team. It wasn't
the same So they're a different team than they were
early in the season. So that's why when you went
into the Minnesota Dallas series, you could not take all
their earlier matchups. We've seen that. You see it in
college football now teams have an issue. Then there's the
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transfer portal, and you see it sometimes in the NFL
where Houston's a laughingstock. Oh wait, they get CJ. Stroud,
a good coach. They're a playoff team. So what's fun
about sports if you pay attention are the trade deadlines,
the draft. The NBA draft does not give you any
immediate help like the NFL does, but the trade deadline
gives you help.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Dallas is out.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Of the playoffs, even with Kyrie, potentially without this front
line to match up against an OKC and in Minnesota,
so the supplemental players, it's just give Dallas credit. Big
swing on Kyrie, big swing at the deadline. Dallas tends
to be that's kind of the way to do it.
Big swings in big d and it's paid off Chris
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Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, we said to start our show today, and we
just talked about it fifteen minutes ago that there's no
reason to belabor the point it's going to be the
MAVs and it's going to be the Celtics. Celtics was
an easy prediction. I didn't know what would happen. I said,
I'll take Minnesota in seven. Chris Brusard joining us live.
(13:54):
I did say that Kat has always reminded me of
Rashid Wallace. Given Knight, he can go toe to toe
with the great bigs in the league, but you never
know when that night's coming. And that Anthony Edwards, as
he probably by the end of next year really becomes
a refined star twenty seven a night, He's not going
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to have these swings in a year. Perhaps that he
needs a better Robin, he needs a more dependable two,
a less emotional to a Pippin too, his Jordan. When
I watched this series, you can blame Ant, but I
don't think inside the building they're blaming Ant. How do
you think it's in the building being down three to
Zer's going.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Yeah, First of all, I think that's a great comparison
about Rashid Wallace. Now, Rashid obviously had way more street
cred than Karl Anthony Towns, but you're right. I mean
when he was the one in Portland. They were good,
but they just never could get over the hump. But
when he goes to Denver and I'm sorry, Detroit, and
what was he the third offensive option?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yep, probably he was.
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Superb And I he won a championship.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
You're right, I mean it's not on And look, Colin,
no twenty two year old player, And I should have
I knew this, but I thought, with the help of
Kat and Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley, that Anthony Edwards
could get them over the hump. But no twenty two
year old player has ever led, Meaning he was the
best player on a n NBA championship team. And the
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history of the league, that's dating back to George Mikeen
and all of that. Tim Duncan was twenty three when
he won his first championship, and you had David Robinson
who was still pretty toward the end of his prime
at that point. Magic of course was twenty, but he
wasn't the best play He's twenty two when he won
his second win. Kareem was still the best player on
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the Lakers bird Bill Russell they were twenty four. So
Anthony Edwards is learning and Kylin we're seeing why no
twenty two year old has ever led a team to
a championship.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Because he's not.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
You know, he's still figuring out when do I be aggressive,
when do I get others involved?
Speaker 9 (16:05):
When do I try to take over?
Speaker 8 (16:07):
And even the thing what he's said like challenging Kyrie,
I mean he didn't know better, you know, And so
I think this will ultimately go down for him years
from now, like Jordan getting beaten by Detroit the Jordan rules,
Like Isaiah Thomas throwing to pass away that Larry Bird
stole when they Detroit should have beat Boston. Lebron getting
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swept by the Spurs at twenty two years old in
two thousand and seven, like eventually later in his career,
this will be how that's looked at growing pains. But
Carl Anthony Towns, it's gonna be interesting to see what
they do Collin, because the question now is is he
good enough to be your number two on a championship team.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
He's really good.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
His career numbers are spectacular, and there's an argument to
back up what he said about being the best, shooting, big,
every and all that stuff, But in this moment, he's
you can't shoot twenty seven percent from the floor and
thirteen percent from three in a Western Conference final maybe
one game, yeah, but you can't do that through through
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three full games, and that ultimately is what is killing them.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I look at Kyrie Irving and I went back this
morning and we looked it up. It was February fifth,
a couple years ago, and I said, I supported the
Mavericks taking a swing on Kyrie. I said it'll be
turbulent and bumpy, but it took them. Mark Cuban's a
smart guy. They got one championship out of it, and
he tried multiple players. And my take is it's not
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all on Kyrie. Luca can be difficult. Poor zingis didn't work.
He suppressed Jalen Brunson much greater than we thought. But
I had some real misgivings because I always feel like
Kyrie's got to be in the right headspace to really
be at his best. Some guys can just like burrow
through it. That's not really who are you surprised or
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how surprised by this sort of linear success, no steps back,
he's defending, he's playing at a high level. Are you
surprised by it?
Speaker 8 (18:14):
I'm surprised by how he's been this whole season because
Colin I wouldn't look. And I've been a fan of Kyrie,
and I've actually been somewhat sympathetic to him throughout his
career because I've seen a lot of young men, particularly
young African American men, kind of come of age in
their twenties as they start learning more Black history and
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things like that, which is a lot of the reading
he was doing. And you get angry, you make comments,
you know, you just you're going, you're growing. And most
of the guys I know that have done it have
done it anonymously. Kyrie had to do it in the
fish bowl of the NBA, So a lot of things
he said and did just didn't come off the right way.
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And he'll, you know, I don't know that he'd reference
those things specifically, but he talked about how he's just
grown and at twenty three and twenty four, you didn't
know as much as you thought you did. And I
thought Colin I was just so exasperated with Kyrie not
really maximizing his career. I felt like, because of the
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off the court issues and also because of injuries, that
he had really only been about seventy five percent of
the player he could have been, and he still was
a Hall of Famer in my view, and I thought
he's not going to change anytime soon. There's going to
be some off the court distractions, and if the Mavericks
gave him a long term deal, I thought he would
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mess it up somehow, and I didn't think they should
sign him. And I was wrong, because they did sign him.
He didn't get the MAX and maybe that's something, you know,
maybe that woke him up a little bit, to see, man,
I didn't get all the money I deserve for how
good of a player I am.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Maybe that woke him up.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
He has been spectacular, not only in his play but
in his leadership and Colin Kyrie Irving, like I said,
I'm certain he'll be a Hall of Famer. And if
he wins this championship, who knows what his legacy will be,
how much it'll grow. I've always said, I think he'll
be iconic, like ten twenty thirty years from now. People
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remember him because of his ball handling and wizardry around
the basket, but he is really take all the other
stuff away. Basketball wise, man, it's hard pressed to find
guards his size throughout history who are better than him,
just skill wise and as a player.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, no, it's a short list.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Finally, without going too far in, I said, I think
if Porzingis is healthy, I think I like Boston, but
the pressure will be all on Boston. So I may
like the MAVs because if they go, if they go
toe to toe in the final, a little bit of
this Dallas transformation has happened since the trade deadline. This
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Boston thing's been building for years and years and years,
and the pressure in seven years together.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I don't I really don't know who I like. What
say you?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
It's a great matchup, and you got some off the
court things for Zingers. Of course Dallas didn't want him. Uh,
Kyrie had his issues at Boston, so there's all types
of storylines. I think colin Boston does match up well
with them. They've got two of the best perimeter defenders
in the league, Drew Holliday and Derek White to throw
at Kyrie. You got size in addition to those two,
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but you got size in Jylen Brown and Jason Tatum
to throw at Luca. And they spread the floor offensively
with their five man out offense. And so now a
Gafford and and maybe a Lively. They're gonna have to
get out there on the on the floor perimeter and
guard rather than sitting at the rim and protecting it
like they're doing against Minnesota. So I think Boston matches
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up well. Right now, I'm leaning I think I'm gonna
pick Dallas because it's kind of like two stars in Boston,
Jalen and Jason against two stars in Dallas, right with
Kyrie and Luca. Luca's the best player in the series. Probably,
I'm leaning strongly toward Dallas, but I do think there
are reasons to pick Boston because they match up well
with them.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Chris Bruce Hard First things first, on a memorial Dad,
appreciate you giving us timing man. All right, Colin, thanks,
yeah it is you go back to I mean, Lively
has been a remarkable draft pick for them. You know,
they went and got the they went and got the
Nike guy, put him in the front office. We're all like,
what's going on, a lot of pushback the draft, the
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trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Kyrie, he's hit and not a lot of misses. J
Mack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, Let's start with some Somber News Hall of
Famer Bill Waller has passed away at the age of
seventy one after a prolonged battle with cancer. Walton's story
career began in college. Two titles at UCLA, three time
consensus Player of the Year in college three times, arguably
the best college player ever. I mean that's how good
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he was. Certainly up there, Yeah, yeah, John Wooden and
his kind of hippie personality. You know, when he went
to the school, John Wooden said you have to get
a haircut, and Bill Walton said, I'm not going to
get a haircut, and John Wooden said, well, we'll miss you.
And he got on his bicycle at Westwood and went
across the street to a barber. Won a title with
Portland in seventy seven, yes their only title, and then
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with the Celtic iteration of the Larry Bird Celtics, it
was I think eighty six Celtics and that was a
great team, maybe one of their best ever. So injury
season NBA MVP two like this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
If Bill Walton would have not had the injuries, there
is and I'm dead serious, after Kareem, I think he
would have been the greatest center of all time. Russell
was more defense. Walton could do both. He was a
brilliant passing big. He had a little bit of yokitch
and then he saw the floor for a big, super smart.
He played a game against Memphis, a National championship game.
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You could look it up. I think he went twenty
three of twenty five from the floor. So I think
there's an argument that he is a top two college
player ever and an iconic figure, a quirky personality, and
to the very end, very close friends John Wooden. They
had two totally different personalities, but Bill and John really
struck it after their time together, a little.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Before my time.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So I remember him as an announcer and he's just
awesome calling Pack twelve games and you know, just fun personality, well,
dead fan, deadhead, just a vibrant personality, and yeah, man,
that's a bummer. Bill Walton passes away at the age
of seventy one. All right over to the NBA columnist.
Paul George situation could start to heat up here in
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the coming days. Here's the absolute latest. According to a
report in Philadelphia, the Clippers are holding out hope that Paul.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
George will take less money to stay there.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because they're not offer him offering him a MAX deal
which he's eligible for.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
Kawhi took less than the max three years one hundred
and fifty two mils.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So who swoops in the Philadelphia seventy six ers who
have a max salary spot.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
And can offer him the four years two hundred twenty one.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They basically have Embid maxie and then a wide open.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
All canvas that's a that's an Eastern Conference Finals team
maxi embiid.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
In question is does Paul George want to leave LA
and the Clippers, which you know James Harden, Kawhi and
Paul George. For a while there they look like the
team to beat in the West Colins. They had like
a two month stritch when they were healthy. But does
Paul George leave that for a little more money and
life in Philadelphia alongside Joel Embid who can never get
over the hub, who's always injured.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think he would stay in Los Angeles New Arena.
L a kid if you don't when when athletes have
a choice, star athletes just don't very regularly leave LA.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
They can hide.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Here in the hills, the canyons, in their you know, suburbs.
Players just love LA. So many pro athletes live here
in the off season of their particular sport, So I
think he'd stay opening arena. And I also think, you know, Kawhi,
I don't think Harden's going to be with the Clippers long.
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I think I think they'll keep Kawhi. He's a great
wing defender. I think the James Harden Clipper story will
end this offseason. I think he'll bounce around. I'd better
report yesterday's oria a little unhappy.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He's unhappy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
The other thing is, do you want to leave an
always injured Kawhi for an always injured and beat I don't.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Know that that's is that much of an upgrade?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now that the kicker is Philly has a much easier
path to the finals.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know you stay with the Clippers. Oh God, I'll
tell you this.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think he works in New York absolutely with Brunson,
Heart Devincenzo. If you keep Mitchell Robinson, you move off
Bogdanovich and Julius Randall. He becomes you know, your three
and D guy can play on the bolt.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Could the nick cel the Clippers? Hey, you guys are
starting a new arena. You got to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Here's five picks, take all our picks. Give us Paul George.
I mean that Paul George would fit great with Bruns.
He's not needy, doesn't need to be the star. Not
gonna take the ball out of your hands. But all
of this panted defenre on the Celtics colling. They know
this is a finals because it's only gonna get tougher.
Somebody's gonna get Paul George. We don't know what's going
on with Donovan Mitchell. The East people are going to
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see it like, look at the path the Pacers got
to the conference finals. Why can't I go to the
East and get there? So I think Paul George is
the first, probably Domino to fall Donovan Mitchell maybe second.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, I mean I'm not We're not counting Lebron right,
he's not consymore final story is Game four tonight. Pacers
Celtics Tyrese Haliburt and miss game through the hamstring strain.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
No word yet on his Game four status.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You can see the injury suffered here on a great
Jason Tatum fake.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
It feels like.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
If you're Halliburton, maybe you give it a go. But
like og An and Obi. In Game seven, he went
out there for five minutes. I was like this, I
can't do anything. I made two lucky shots. I was
a liability on defense. What am I doing out here?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Caliburton's very good, but they're not winning this game. They're
not winning the series.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean it's somebody had to end up in the
Eastern Conference Finals beyond Boston and Philadelphia never delivers. Milwaukee
got hurt, the Knicks fell apart. Yeah, I mean somebody
at the end up.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
In Miami got hurt after making it last night.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Why not a young, well coached, feisty, fast tempo Pacers too.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Now, as some Celtics fans will remind you, last year,
Celtics fell down three to Miami, won the next three
to fourth Game seven, and then lost when Tatum got hurt.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
Any you bet I'm staying away from tat your Celtics
dye and no action.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm watching it.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
You're watching half of it? Well, I'm to be over
at half time.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie Tom Brady gave
us almost thirty minutes earlier today and we're going to
bring back a portion of that. He joined us from
a beautiful, undisclosed location. He had a nicer studio than
we did today and we touched on various topics and
we'll bring that next in the Herd.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at Nooneaster, not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So we were lucky enough today on this Memorial Day.
And thanks again for tuning in today that Tom Brady
was wrapping up a vacation and we got him. He
debuts here at Fox officially for the Dallas Cowboys and
the Cleveland Browns game as part of the Fox NFL schedule,
which is as usual robust. Those Sunday afternoon games are
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gold bars to us, and Tom's going to be on
the call with Kevin Burkhart and all of those big games.
And we talked about a variety of things, Kansas City,
tom Brady broadcasting young quarterbacks, his history in Tampa and
New England. But I asked him about his competitiveness on
and off the field and if that's just really who
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he is.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were. As a player and as an athlete,
I love that competition. I relish that competition practice. If
it was a game, if it was ping pong, if
we're playing trashketball in the locker room, I wanted to win.
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
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little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
Competitive at everything. It's a little more selective.
Speaker 11 (30:49):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
In a little bit of my time, a little bit
of my energy into it.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
Certainly with the broadcaster, I don't think for me it's
about competition. I think it's for me it's about did
I put everything I could into it? And I did
I give the fans everything that they tuned in for?
And that's really how I end up gauging myself. And
I'll have to look at myself at the end of
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every Sunday night going Did I do a good enough job?
Speaker 10 (31:23):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations.
Speaker 11 (31:28):
Of my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and
Richie's ions and rich Russo and our entire truck, the
entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in
that new role.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, good guys to work for.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I want you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I just saw a story.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sean Payton was texting me last night about bo Nix
and how happy he was with him, and then he
talked about it publicly, and we thought it was a
good fit because so much in life is fit. You know,
there's a million jobs our kids could get in the workforce,
but what fits your personality and your drive and your ascension.
And I thought bo I thought he was Drew Brees
with mobility. Neither throws a great deep ball, both a
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little undersized. And I want you to go back to
your first camp because I don't care it's Michael Pennix
or it's Caleb. Now, Caleb's a little grooved in here.
You know, Denver doesn't have a great roster. You know
some of these kids, c J. Stroud had to wing
it on the fly a little bit. I want you
to You may have had nightmares about it and tried
to suppress these memories, but go back to your first camp.
(32:28):
I don't view Tom Brady as nervous, but was their anxiety?
Were there times you thought I'm over my skis here.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
It's a great question, I think naturally as an athlete,
we're all going to question as we move up to
the next level. Are we capable? Are we enough? For
most of the answers, I think we don't know. We're
going to have to wait and see the development. And
everyone asked me all the time around the draft pre draft,
which of these kids is going to be the most successful.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
There's two answers. One it's up to them, and two.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Is show me the people that are around them and
are helping to develop them. It's not necessarily about someone's
physical potential all the time. So much of it is
about can you retain information? Can you process it? Can
you use the information? Are you willing to study and
go through the intricate details of the game, Like Drew
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Brees was, like Peyton Manning was, like Philip Rivers was
like some of the all time great John Elway was
some of the all time great quarterbacks. Were you could
be very physically talented, You could absolutely go to the
wrong fit and have a coach instruct you to do
things that are almost impossible to do right. You can't
assume that what these young athletes are being told that
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every coach is the same. Some coach may have one perspective,
another coach may have another perspective. So why was I
fortunate because I came into the Patriots when Belichick was there.
He's the one that helped develop me. Charlie Weiss was there,
he helped develop me. Later in my career, Josh McDaniels
was there. He helped develop me. I could not have
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been the player I was without people like that impacting
my career.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
My first year, I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to.
He took all the reps.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
I got to sit there from behind and watch him
every single day.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I had a real mentor to look up to, and.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Drew so some of these teams, and you look at
Jordan Love who I was watching some of those clips
that you had on before I came on, but he
had Aaron Rodgers to watch. That's that's the best type
of training, in my opinion, Watch someone else do it
at a very high level and then try to emulate
them with your own personality.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
Maybe a little bit of the misnomer with the.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Draft is that these players can come in and all
of a sudden become this great professional player before they've
really had.
Speaker 10 (34:58):
The training and the development.
Speaker 11 (35:00):
And it was rare for quite a while for rookie
quarterbacks to come in and play. Maybe if you're the
first overall pick, but not if you're a second rounder,
a third rounder. You had a chance to be groomed. Well,
we're not allowing them to do that much anymore. Now
we're throwing them out there. Let's see what you can do.
And it's a really challenging thing. If I was a
(35:21):
young quarterback in this day and age to go out
there with the pressure of the agents and the families,
the schools, the social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner,
How did these kids live up to that?
Speaker 10 (35:34):
I think it's a real challenge for these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Hopefully they go into a system that can embrace them,
that can fit in.
Speaker 10 (35:43):
Multitude they are.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Hopefully they have coaches around them that can develop them
in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done. And I grew up in the seventies, so
it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers didn't
win three straight championships. You couldn't score on him. Forget
Swan and Bradshaw and Frank o'herrett, you couldn't score on him.
And then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the
Niners and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want
(36:09):
you to go to the years that you won a
Super Bowl. Let's stay in New England because in Tampa
you brought everybody back, which can actually work the opposite
whether you get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman,
who's become a friend, talks about this on could you
tell Tom in the camp after you won a Super Bowl?
(36:33):
Would there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man,
that was a bad practice. We got a super Bowl hangover?
Did you fight that? Could you sense that.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
There was?
Speaker 11 (36:48):
To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging, as we know.
Even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers, it
is an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of air was razor thin. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
It's very rare.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
I mean, I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl. We play less than
our best game. The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, They're all well coached. The margin
(37:30):
of air is razor thin. So to win one Super
Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back to back
what the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why we haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
Win win in a row.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, I remember that year, and that was the Glendale,
Arizona Super Bowl for the Giants. I had been I
think during Thanksgiving or I had Christmas sometime. I had
been in New York with my wife An. We went
to an Irish bar and it was pretty quiet and
we watched the Giants play the Patriots. It was like
(38:09):
the last game of the regular season, and the Patriots won,
but they had struggled at times to block the Giants front.
It had strayhand and talk and Ocu Manora like really
good front. And then I remember thinking, well, they'll still
a better team, They'll get it figured out. And then
you go to the Super Bowl with the Giants and
(38:30):
I'm Brady the Patriots undefeated, and the very first drive,
I remember New England tried some counter or some like
reverse and it just got snuffed. And I remember thinking, oh,
this feels this feels like once again they're struggling to
block that great defensive front for the New York Giants.
(38:50):
And you go back to that Super Bowl. It really
wasn't until the end that it felt like New England
just couldn't. Every yard, every first down was so difficult.
And then you know, once you get into late game situations,
David Tyree, Mario Manningham, Nick Foles, you want to get
rid of teams early because when you're an underdog and
all of a sudden it's close late, that's when the
favorite gets tight. That's what I thought about the Celtics
(39:13):
and the Mavericks. I'm thinking about as Chris Bruce Arg's
talking about it, all the pressures on the Celtics. It's
seven years that Jalen Brown and Tatum have been together,
and we thought they'd have a title mind now, and
they got there once and kind of folded against the
Warriors in the last three games of the series.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Now they were.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Up to one going home in control, folded, and now
it's like, oh, all the pressure's on Boston. None of
it's on Dallas. I mean, Luke is a kid. Kyrie's
already got a bag enter ring. So the Kyrie's legacy
money game fame Boston and OKC, He's getting better. Denver's
(39:51):
favored next year. You know, the Knicks, the Bucks. Where
does Paul George go Philadelphia? Telling you right now a
lot of pressure on Boston? Can you dial back? The
folded against Golden State up to one?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I mean, I'm sorry they lost to a top fifteen
player all time in Steph Curry, who went just volcanic
against them in Game four, hitting all the clutch shots.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
Like those are young guys that Tatum was? How old
in that finals? Like twenty two, twenty three?
Speaker 3 (40:21):
He wasn't sixteen? Wasn't that long ago?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I don't Anthony Edwards is folding right now. Nobody's nobody
saying anything about Anthony.
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Oh he's only twenty two, but Tatum in the finals.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, well, age does matter, ants proof it does matter,
So it's not an age thing. It's a relentless Boston media.
They've had a coast to the playoffs forty one and
eleven against the East, rarely been challenged, but they were
five hundred against good Western teams. So it's like, you know,
everybody in Boston's the city of champions, Bruins, Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics,
(40:54):
like their standard is very high.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
Yeah, Brusard said something interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Lively has been such a factor in the paint, right,
So who does he defend on Boston which is going
to play five out as opposed to Minnesota, which can't
play five out unless they bench go Beart.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
Lively not there, will tATu.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Will it be a layup line because we know Lucas
struggled Man and Man Devins Kyrie's been great defensively.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
It's gonna be a great finals. I'll still take the
maps reluctant.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I think it's really close.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Feels like a coin flip. It feels like a seven gamer.
The twenty third of June Finals, we'll have a Monday show.
Maybe just fly off to a vacation that'd be a
great last show before vacation. Monday, the twenty fourth of
June Sunday, the twenty third, Game seven.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I think that's game personal reasons.
Speaker 9 (41:41):
I hope it goes sixth.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I'll just say, by the way, we have some notable games.
Tom Brady'll be doing, the staff says in the back.
So Tom Brady's first year Cowboys, Browns, Ravens at the Cowboys,
Lions at the Cowboys, Chiefs at the Niner. Those are
some good games, Jesus, those are a good games.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It seems like Brady's only getting the playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You remember it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
There's gaps in between those games, but those are you
know that Cowboys Eagles week seventeen, that's probably that's a
That's that's a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Lions Packers, that's that's a spicy matchup. Those are two
buy on teams for you. Well, I think Detroit's got
the personnel to win a Super Bowl. I don't know
if Green Bay does. They're they're they're really young, They're
like really really young. Lions are really young in some spots.
But Pinae Suel is no longer a kid. Go Fomer
on Saint Brown you know those guys have been around now. Yeah,
(42:40):
so the Hunter versus the Hunt did for the Lions
is their storyline this year. You know everybody, They're not
sneaking up on anybody.
Speaker 9 (42:46):
Everybody's ready for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I think that's why a lot of people, you know,
plus they have a you know, a first place schedule,
so you have a harder schedule. So yeah, I mean,
I I they'll be fine, will they be great? But
I I do think I think last year was the
down year in the NFC. I think Detroit's better. I
think Green Bay will be better. I think Philadelphia with
Saquon and new coordinators will be better. The Rams will
(43:10):
be better. I think Arizona's going to be fighting.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Oh, Kyler Murray, are.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You hanging out with Kyler Murray this past weekend? Is
that what you're throwing him in here and throwing him about?
In the final.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Kyler and I are very close. He trusts me, I
trust him. All right, We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks Tom
Brady for stopping buying Chris Brussard in La the Herd
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