May 27, 2024 • 46 mins
Colin celebrates and thanks all those who served our country his Memorial Day with you all by trying to be excited for the possibility of an NBA Finals matchup between the Mavericks and Celtics. Kyrie has finally ended up in the perfect situation with Luka Doncic to win a title. LeBron James is officially a free agent but the thought of him leaving LA is pretty much unimaginable. Plus, the great Tom Brady stops by to enlighten us all on his future endeavors, and another riveting Monday edition of: “Where Colin was Right and Wrong!”.
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Jamac It's not official, but it's sort of official. The
Celtics lead their series three to all over the young
and hobbling Pacers, your Mavericks. You have been on them
all year. They just keep disposing of really good teams.
They believe in themselves, and so I thought, on this
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Memorial Day, let's talk about the final. That's not official,
but it sort of is sort of yeah, So let's
talk Celtics and MAVs final. Oh forget Jinxes, that's what
we're gonna get. It's about as good as you can
get in the NBA. The big brand Celtics with two
stars Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and because of Mark
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Cuban's ownership, Dirk and the title, the MAVs carry some
gravtas and wait in this league. And they've got the
two best closers in the two best stars finishing games
in Luca and Kyrie Irving. You have arguably the best
player in the world Luca on a heater, and you
have arguably the best domestic player in Jason Tatum. You
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have the drama of the Celtics duo when are Jalen
Brown and Tatum finally going to deliver a trophy to
this story franchise. And you have the Kyrie factor. He
hated Boston, they didn't like him. So four big factors.
If you're not going to have a dynasty Lebron, a
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Steph or a KD. This is as good as the
finals can get. And if Porzingis is healthy, I think
I kind of like Boston in seven, but I don't
know that. I've been burying the MAVs all season. I
didn't like him against Okees ok see. I didn't think
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they'd beat Minnesota. But Boston to the finals is probably
the easiest sports prediction of the last year. They were
forty one and eleven against the East, and then the
Knicks fell apart and Haliburton's hurt and no Dame, no
Jannis embid wobbly listen. That was an easy one. Everybody
in the world picked Boston in the finals. There was
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no reason to be a contrarian. Dallas to the finals. Yeah,
I missed that about six times. I said it last week.
I think Boston in this group is too good not
to win at least one title. They're weird, though odd Historically,
they're a fifty to fifty bet at home against the
Eastern playoff teams. And I think Luca is too gifted
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and too great for him not to win at least
one championship. And this series actually reminds me of one
I covered about twenty four years ago, the Blazers and
the Lakers. So the Celtics are the Blazers, more quality
B plus above players, A good staff gave the Lakers problems.
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Many times in the series you thought the Blazers a
Scottie Pippin as a bonus, it could be Rashid Wallace,
Damon Stodommeyer. They had really good players. They had the
Lakers pinned in many games, took the lead in many games.
That's the Celtics, a deeper quality team of B plus players.
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And then there's the MAVs, which remind me of a
little bit of the Lakers. The two best closers, Shaq
and Kobe, won the series in seven, the two best
closers at the time on the planet, one inside one perimeter.
That series went back and forth. Those were the two
best teams. Both would have been beaten Indiana in the finals.
One did the Lakers. Portland would have, but for a
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majority of that series I was in Portland. I thought
Portland was better, and they were until that slam dunk
from Kobe to Shaq, and then the closers coffees for
closers closed it. And that's how I feel about this series.
I've been betting against Kyrie and Luca now for a
month and they're both in a heater, and Kyrie was
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a big swing and aggressive wins in sports, and offense
wins in basketball. I know, I know, I know, defense
wins championships. Yeah, I'm gonna take Mahomes fourth quarter. I
don't care what his defense looks like. And it is
really hard to bet against Luca and Kyrie because they
are the two best closers in this series. And Barkley
talked about it after as.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
A guard A Michael A Kobe, give me some other guys,
Tamack step Curry. That's no substant You can't. You can't
stop great one on one players because you can make
them take tough shots, but they gonna get the shot
they won't. Kyrie and Luc are gonna get the shot
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they won't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, the degree of difficulty Luca takes with about half
his shots is remarkable, and it feels like sixty five
percent go in. So I think I like Boston if
Porzingis is healthy. But I've been saying this against every
team that faces Dallas. I thought Okayse was gonna beat
him with their youth. Luca was all banged up. I
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thought Minnesota would probably win their size in six or seven.
I even thought the Clippers would give the Magic Mavericks problems.
Is wrong wrong, wrong, wrong, can't wait for it. Celtics
will wrap up their series. I presume tonight. Dallas will
wrap up Theirs in a couple of days. And I
want to talk about Kyrie Irving. I've had my issues
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with Kyrie Irving, although when they made this deal on
February fifth, couple years ago, I said at the time,
you got to take a swing. Mark Cuban's taking a swing.
You got to get Lucas somebody, or he'll leave town.
Kyrie is actually fascinating. He is the dilemma even the
top gms in the NBA face when you have an
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all time talent that can be moody and difficult on
a regular basis, what do you do? He was a
disaster in Boston, mostly a disaster in Brooklyn. Before Lebron
got the Cleveland nobody liked him and his first year
was a tad turbulent in Dallas. But right now it's incredible.
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And in the NFL it's different. In the National Football League,
your top stars usually get in line with the coach
and the culture and the offense defense special team system.
They get in line. But the NFL is not a
star driven league. It's not it's a roster driven, shield driven,
gm coach driven league with stars. The NBA is a
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star driven league like international soccer, and they're going to
get what they want. And most guys are good guys,
but some guys are petulant and moody and difficult and
yet all world. And it's why even the best general
managers like Pat Riley are going to take swings on
a Jimmy Butler, a Kawhi, Leonard Kyrie Irving, a James
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Harden when you get these players that are just different.
If that players in the right frame of mind, you
get trophies, You secure your job, your coach's job, your
family's security. And that's why people take swings. I mean,
I think it's been PJ. Washington and Gafford have been very,
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very nice supplemental pieces, but no Kyrie and Dallas is
already out of the playoffs. February fifth, twenty twenty three.
We looked it up this morning. I said, when Dallas
went after Kyrie, well, it's gonna be good or bad,
but they're gonna be a handful and they're gonna be
Knights that you can't stop them. And this is an
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offensive league over a defensive league. Do you realize in
the playoffs, Kyrie leads the postseason and fourth quarter points
and that's playing with Luca. That's playing with the best
scorer in the playoffs. So Luca needed a running mate.
They got him one with a history of being difficult
and moody and tempora mental and his own guy. But
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I've been watching this league forever. An aggressive wins in sports,
and you gotta take swings. And the Mavericks' best two
closers in the world right now are planning in Dallas.
Here's some thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Unbelievable, that's fine, they call him.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Some people miss the fourth quarter right, just amazing he's
scored with thirty three.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You know, he's born for this situation.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
You bore it for the Cloch situations.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So we just give the vote to him.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Going into Game four is still zero zero. And that's
the type of motivation and mentality we have in that
locker room. It's not just me. We feel like the
job isn't finished and we're going against one of the
greatest teams in the world. You know, they still have
the capability of beating us on any given night. Got
to appreciate where we are, but at the same time,
don't take it for granted, and don't take the other
team for granted, because they're pretty sure they're going to
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watch this interview. They're going to study all our habits
and see if we, you know, lay down a little
bit and get comfortable. I don't want to get comfortable
at all. I want to push forward even more so
and have our best game game four.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The best people in any business are in it to
get the ring, and Dallas looks like they're good enough
to keep Boston from getting it even one more time.
So J Mack, they have been your team. I will
say this for a three to zero series, the t
Wolves Mavericks is a really fun watch. It doesn't feel
that lobsided. Whereas Boston feels like significantly better than Indiana,
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Dallas feels better than Minnesota. But the games are tight.
Dallas has too many bad half court offensive possessions, and
when you have Luca and Kyrie, you have very few
of those. So the right team is leading the series,
but you can see Minnesota picking up a win. I
doubt it, but Minnesota was built to beat Denver. As
we've talked about, They're not built to beat Dallas. And
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there's also something about teams grow like Dallas. Before the PJ.
Washington Gafford moves, they weren't the same team. It wasn't
the same So they're a different team than they were
early in the season. So that's why when you went
into the Minnesota Dallas series, you could not take all
their earlier matchups. We've seen that. You see it in
college football now teams have an issue. Then there's the
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transfer portal, and you see it sometimes in the NFL
where Houston's a laughingstock. Oh wait, they get CJ. Stroud
and a good coach. They're a playoff team. So what's
fun about sports if you pay attention are the trade
deadlines the draft. The NBA draft does not give you
any immediate help like the NFL does, but the trade
deadline gives you help. Dallas is out of the playoffs,
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even with Kyrie, potentially without this front line to match
up against an ok se and in Minnesota, so the
supplemental players, it's just give Dallas credit. Big swing on Kyrie,
big swing at the deadline. Dallas tends to be that's
kind of the way to do it. Big swings in
big d and it's paid off.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
They would after Porzingis back in the day, they thought
he would be the running mate for Luca. That kind
of blew up they had Brunson, They blew that one right.
They didn't want to offer him the money. And now
the third third pitch and they hit it out of
the park with Kyrie Irving. But to your point, Minnesota
has led in the final five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Of all the midfields, very very close. But again, when
these games are close late, one team's a brilliant offensive team,
one team's based on defense. And you cross your fingers
of cat is in the mood.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Okay, but isn't your take that Jason Tatum has struggled
in late game scenarios. Does that give you pause for
the finals?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
There's no question, There is no question. I said it
is Blazers Lakers. That series came down to a couple
Kobe Shack plays. If you covered that series, Lakers trailed
by double digits in most games. Phil Jackson acknowledge, we
don't have a game plan for Rashid Wallace. We really
don't know what to do. It was just back and forth.
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But in the end, Kobe and Shack with a difference
one of the great series I've ever It's probably the
best series I've ever covered in terms of intensity and talent.
So I mean, I'll say this from an NBA perspective, Yeah,
you cannot do better than Luca Kyrie and the MAVs
against Brown, Tatum, the history, Porzingish, Drew Holiday and the Celtics.
That is as good.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
We've been very.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Lucky, March Madness, NFL Super Bowls. We've been on a
string here for a lot of years. Celtics MAVs feels right.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
It's just a tough one for rooting interests. I like
Tatum a lot. I love Luka Dante's like, there's no
one to dislike in the series. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It should be a fun one. Yeah, Colin Wright Colin
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
Lebron James is essentially now a free agent, according to
Rich Paul, his agent. He said on TNT, you know
he can go anywhere he wants. And this is the
interesting thing. He's the Lakers' only elite playmaker and he
is still overwhelm their biggest draw, Anthony Davis is great,
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not a big draw, sorry Austin ree fans. So the
Lakers are totally trapped. In my opinion, Lebron could go
to Philadelphia and join Joe Lmbid and Tyresse Maxi in
the incredibly weak Eastern Conference and just assure himself a
trip to the Eastern Conference finals at minimum. I actually
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think he could go play with Jalen Brunson and all
those rotational shooters and players for the Knicks in again
the very weak East and almost assure himself in Eastern
Conference finals. But here's the thing, I know you think
nobody wants to live in LA will sports stars do
and celebrities do, and a lot of stars threaten to
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leave LA. Kobe did, and some get traded like Shack.
But the weather, the vibe. Los Angeles is a city
of hills and canyons. You could have Denzel Washington as
a neighbor and never see him. And that's what Lebron
James like. You can't duplicate Los Angeles anywhere. It is
a nice, comfortable, breezy place to hide when you're a
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sports star. The Lakers don't have the wherewithal, the draft
capital or the players to move anybody to get a
star pick. They're not moving Anthony Davis and they're not
moving Lebron James. He's their only playmaker. He is still
the face of the franchise. He's got his titles, his legacy,
the bag, several rings. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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This is the game that Rich Paul and Lebron James
have been playing for years. They're playing it again, and
Lebron will get a Max deal and potentially his son
drafted with what the fifty to fifth pick. Colin Wright
Colin Wrong top of next hour plus, Tom Brady joins
us about five minutes after the hour, but really nice
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quarterback in the first round, and that's coming up.
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and freedoms that much greater. You are in our thoughts today,
you and your families who have been part of this
country and make great sacrifices forever for the freedoms now
we all possess. Thank you on this Memorial Day. J
Mac tom Brady's going to show up in five minutes.
We got ourselves, the MAVs looking to close out Minnesota
that's got all sorts of issues with Rudy Gobert's defense
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and Cats offense. And then we have the Celtics ready
to close out a pesky and fun and fast paced
Indiana team that's not quite yet but has been competitive.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Your buddy Jason Tatum had a really nice end of
Game three. I think he had thirty six points, four
key assists.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
In the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He was good, he was accepted. That was his best
playoff game. Yeah, we do it every Monday. It's called
Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said Luca on Tuesday last week, of
all the remaining players, was the best player. Yes, he
can be selfish, doesn't play well with everybody in his career,
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but he leads the NBA playoffs and points assists, third
in rebounding indisputable. His degree of difficulty even on his
made shots is like something I've almost never seen before.
We were right on that where Colin was raw. But
I was wrong on the Mavericks. I didn't know if
they could beat the Clippers. I thought they'd losed a
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young and fun Okac. I thought Minnesota would dispose of them,
probably in six or seven. But gafferd PJ. Washington, to
go along with Oka and Kyrie, have become a really dynamic,
energetic team that is tremendous if the games are close late.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I said Boston would get to the finals and
it would be sweeps or gentlemen sweeps. Throw in the injuries.
They're forty one and eleven against the East. Part of
it is the East is dreadful. The other part is
the Celtics are deep, resourceful, and they improve their coaching staff.
You are seeing what virtually everybody, including our show predicted.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Where Colin was wrong. Ant is not.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Quite ready to get to the finals. It was very
good against Phoenix and Denver. He has struggled from the
field team low plus minus. I love watching him play.
I think he works really hard. I think by the
end of next year he could be the face of
the league with Wemby and maybe Luca. But right now
he's shooting thirty nine percent from the field. He looks
a bit tired, He's lost some energy and at times
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on his jumper he's lost some confidence. Where Colin was right,
Robert Sala, according to reports, is going to get more
involved in the offense, which worries me. I talked about
this in the last couple of weeks with Nat Hackett.
Since Sala arrived three years ago, it's the lowest scoring
offense in the league, regardless of coordinator and quarterback. I
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like Robert Sala, but I thought Hackett was Aaron's buddy,
not an elite candidate.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And here we are where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The Suns, according to a reporter Evan Sidery, are hoping
to pursue Lebron James. What get older and more expensive.
I don't get it. That one. I don't get at all.
I hope this kid has got good sources, because I
do not understand even doubling down on this group. I
like Booker, but you could get a haul for him.
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What you don't want to be in this league is old, brittle,
and expensive, and KD. Beale and le On together to
me is problematic.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sean Peyton publicly this week we showed you earlier, came
out and said bo Nicks is ahead of schedule. This
doesn't surprise us. Bow Knicks at Auburn at Oregon insanely accurate.
Sixty one college starts in two good conferences, so you
know what you're getting. And I also think the key
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with bow Nicks he looks like a Sean Payton quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
DJ Moore, star receiver for the Bears, defended justin field
to the end, and I said, wait until he has
a couple of practices with Caleb Williams and he's going
to be a Caleb Williams guy. This week, DJ Moore acknowledged, Yeah,
this guy's good.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Pro athletes are mostly about winning, and some become later
in their careers about money. Sometimes they go hand in hand.
But Caleb Williams, in my opinion, is a transformative prospect.
You need help, you need production, you need the right coach.
But the kid is just different. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong on a Monday, it's Tom Brady's
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around the corner. What what's funny about that Chicago situation is,
and you hear this all the time, is that a
lot of times you're with somebody at work in any workplace,
and you really like somebody and you think they're really good,
and you feel a responsibility to sort of defend them.
And I think Dj Moore felt a responsibility his buddy.
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I mean, when you're a star receiver and you have
a young quarterback, I mean you're you're sitting next to
each other on the plane at lunch, like that's your guy.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You need each other.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's a timing position, a timing alliance quarterback and receiver.
But if you watch justin Fields play and you watch
Caleb Williams, Caleb gives you all the physical attributes, but
a much better thrower of the football. So that here's
DJ Moore talking about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
He was a quarter back last year and now we
got Caleb and going right through.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
H ll and back with him.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So I'm just looking forward to Sanwiti he put out.
You can see the natural leadership is there, the natural
armtown is there. Everything about him it's just always a
positive thing. And uh, even when he has a bad
like play, he's looking to learn real fast right after.
I mean, that's all you can ask him.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Listen, in my life, my adult life, I could count
on one hand the times I felt the Chicago Bears
had elite offensive talent. I may be able to count
that on one finger. This is a rare Keenan Allen,
DJ Moore, good offensive tackles, DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett Cole
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come out, Caleb Williams. The defense played well last seven
weeks of the year, top five in the NFL. So
it doesn't happen very often where I look at Chicago
and think, oh, they could match up with the best
offenses in the league, like a Miami, Baltimore, San Francisco Rams.
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I can almost and I've said this before, think about this.
It is hard as the NFL has pivoted, and the
fact that young quarterback play right now, at least physically,
is better than it's ever been. They go to camps,
the seven on seven, the quarterback stuff, The quarterbacks come in,
more starts, more attention, more ready to play, at least
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at a physical level. And the Bears have never had
a quarterback throw for four thousand yards. Just take a
deep breath and think about that. Green Bay has had
multiple quarterbacks do it in multiple seasons in the same division.
So they're just limitations on what Chicago should do. So
tom Brady's getting checked in right now, and I'll tell
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you when he's ready. All right, I'm gonna take a break.
Tom Brady's around the corner and we'll bring him in next. Well,
he's part of the team now. It's too bad I
don't run a four, four or five and have good hands,
because if we had some sort of network in or
mural thing. I think we'd win. Tom Brady joining us
live now from an undisclosed location, I'll just say it's nice.
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And he's got a better studio than I do today.
All right, twenty three years, seven super Bowls, five MVPs.
You said something recently, Michael Rubins, Michael Rubin's place, brilliant
guy for fanatics, and you were there. And I want
to play this bite because I had a little pushback
on this roll that bite of Tommy.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You have fifty three guys on the team, and you
think it's about you any about you, It's about us.
And the biggest problem I see with a lot of
the young players today, you guys are making it too
much about I and me because of social media, because
of branding and all that. It's fine, you're not gonna win.
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I heard that and I said, in your era,
you may have had a star quarterback coming out of
coll Colledge every five years in Lway, a Peyton Manning,
but even a big Ben was a nobody. Even you
at a Michigan you're battling for starts. Could I make
the argument that it's virtually impossible to come out of
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college Now, you're paid in il to come out of
college and not be a bit of a celebrity. That
it's harder to avoid those trappings today, Tom that it
was in your era.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
Yeah, that's a great point. I really that kind of
hit home for me. When I went to the University
of Michigan. I forgot we had lost in one of
the playoff rounds and coach Harbought invited me back to
do a national signing day and it was Jared Jeter
was there, and they almost formatted the day at Michigan
as the NFL Draft, and all these kids were basically
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coming from high school to college. And I remember leaving
there that day thinking that it was a great event
for the University of Michigan, and it was a really
cool event for a lot of the players and the
families who were being out of high school. But at
the same time, I think we're doing a real disservice
to those young aspiring athletes because we were giving them
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so much fame and notoriety just for playing high school football.
And you're right, I think a lot of the things
that we see now because of really the digital age
and the proliferation of information spread so quickly to everywhere.
There are so many young high school athletes that are
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getting notoriety and fame, and you're just at such a
young developmental type of age, and it's just a challenging
thing for your brain to wrap your head around it
so much. I think when I look back to when
I was coming out of college, when I was basically
getting into the pros, there were such few outlets to
cover you that you really felt like you had to
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do a great job. You had to do great things
to get noticed, and that was really the motivation.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Man.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
If I could ever.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
Get on the of a sports illustrated, if I could
ever get written about in the local paper, that will
mean that I did something really extraordinary, And that was
a not always the motivation, but that was really the
effect of what you put out as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And today it's obviously just so much different. So I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
I think resilience and determination overcoming adversity, yes, those are
really sustainable traits and players and athletes and obviously entrepreneurs, businessman.
Look at you, look at all the things you've had
to overcome, and I just don't want us to give
so much to the younger generation before they really have
the full perspective on what those things mean for them.
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So I recognize that change at Michigan that day. That
was really like a punch in the gut for me
to go, Wow, you know, we're probably gone a little
too far with this, but you know, naturally the pendulum
kind of swings and swings back, and I just hope
these young athletes can really understand the what's really good
to make their career, not their brand or their physical ability,
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but their connection with their teammates, their leadership ability, them
wanting to put the team first above individual goals and recognition.
When they show up every day, they are thinking what
can I do to help the team win? Because that's
the most fulfilling part about team sports is winning.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's funny, Tom, I never want to disincentivize my kids.
I always had the rule of the three c's. I said,
if you could be curious, compassionate, and competitive, you're going
to have a great life. And competitive is hard because
Dad's going to have a nice home, will go on
good vacations. And you were known to me of your
many gifts. You had the right height, you had the
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work ethic. You're a smart guy, You're really competitive, and
I think to myself, you can't be competitive jet scheme,
how does Tom Brady? And in a weird way, I
think to myself, Oh, I get competitive the broadcasting thing,
because you're going to get people take shots at you
and be snippets. So if you found yourself already with broadcasting,
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watching your tapes and getting hyper competitive, is that just
sort of who you are.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily. I
didn't give a.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
Shit if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we're playing trash ketball
in the locker room, I wanted to win. There's other
parts where I feel like I've matured a little bit
and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely competitive at everything.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster. I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me it's about did I put
everything I could into it? And I did I give
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the fans everything that they tuned in for. And that's
really how I end up gauging myself. And I'll have
to look at myself at the end of every Sunday night,
going did I do a good enough job? Did I
live up to the belief that Fox had in me?
Did I live up to the expectations of my teammates
Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and Richie's Ions and
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rich Russo and our entire truck, the entire team.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in that new role.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, good guys to work for.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I want you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I just saw a story. Sean Payton was texting me
last night about bo Nix and how happy he was
with him, and then he talked about it publicly, and
we thought it was a good fit because so much
in life is fit. You know, there's a million jobs
our kids could get in the workforce, but what fits
your personality and your drive and your ascension. And I
thought bo I thought he was Drew brees with mobility.
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Neither throws a great deep both a little undersized. And
I want you to go back to your first camp
because I don't care it's Michael Pennix or it's Caleb. Now,
Caleb's a little grooved in here. You know, Denver doesn't
have a great roster. You know some of these kids,
c J. Stroud had to wing it on the fly
a little bit. I want you to You may have
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had nightmares about it and try to suppress these memories,
but go back to your first camp. I don't view
Tom Brady as nervous, but was their anxiety? Were there
times you thought I'm over my skis here?
Speaker 10 (31:33):
It's a great question, I think naturally as an athlete,
we're all going to question as we move up to
the next level.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Are we capable? Are we enough?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
For most of the answers, I think we don't know.
We're gonna have to wait and see the development. And
everyone asks me all the time around the draft pre draft,
which of these kids is going to be the most successful.
There's two answers. One it's up to them, and two
is show me the people that are around them and
are helping.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
To develop them.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
It's not necessarily about someone's physical potential all the time.
So much of it is about can you retain information,
can you process it? Can you use the information? Are
you willing to study and go through the intricate details
of the game, like Drew Brees was, like Peyton Manning was,
like Philip Rivers was like some of the all time
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great John Elway was some of the all time great
quarterbacks were.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
You could be very physically talented.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
You could absolutely go to the wrong fit and have
a coach instruct you to do things that are almost impossible.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
To do right.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
You can't assume that what these young athletes are being
told that every coach is the same. Some coach may
have one perspective, another coach may have another perspective. So
why was I fortunate? Because I came into the Patriots
when Bill Belichick was there. He's the one that helped
develop me. Charlie Weiss was there, He helped develop me.
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Later in my career, Josh McDaniels was there. He helped
develop me. I could not have been the player I
was without people like that impacting my career. My first year,
I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to. He took
all the reps. I got to sit there from behind
and watch him every single day. I had a real
mentor to look up to and Drew so some of
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these teams and you look at Jordan Love who I
was watching some of those clips that you had on
before I came on, but he had Aaron Rodgers to watch.
He got That's the best type of training, in my opinion,
Watch someone else do it at a very high level,
and then try to emulate them with your own personality.
Maybe a little bit of the misnomer with the draft
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is that these players can come in and all of
a sudden become this great professional player before they've really
had the training and the development. And it was rare
for quite a while for rookie quarterbacks to come in
and play. Maybe if you're the first overall pick, but
not if you're a second rounder, a third rounder. You
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had a chance to be groomed. Well, we're not allowing
them to do that much anymore. Now we're throwing them
out there. Let's see what you can do. And it's
a really challenging thing. If I was a young quarterback
in this day and age to go out there with
the pressure of the agents and the families, the schools,
the social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner. How
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did these kids live up to that? I think it's
a real challenge for these young quarterbacks. Hopefully they go
into a system that can embrace them, that can fit
in multitude they are. Hopefully they have coaches around them
that can develop them in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done. And I grew up in the seventies, so
it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers didn't
win three straight championships. You couldn't score on them. Forget
Swan and Bradshawn, Frankohery, you couldn't score on them. And
then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the Niners
and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want you
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to go to the years that you won a Super Bowl.
Let's stay in New England because in Tampa you brought
everybody back, which can actually work the opposite whether you
get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman, who's
become a friend, talks about this. Could you tell Tom
in the camp after you won a Super Bowl, would
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there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man, we wait,
that was a bad practice. We got a Super Bowl hangover?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Did you fight that?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Could you sense that.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
There was? To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging,
as we know.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers, it
is an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of there was razor thing. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
It's very rare.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
I mean, I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl, we play less than
our best game, The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, they're all well coached. The margin
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of theras raise oursin. So to win one Super Bowl
is extremely difficult. To win two back to back what
the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know, in
the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win three
in a row. There's a reason why no one's done it.
The reason why we haven't won three in a row
because it's hard.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
To win one in a row.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
So to put three of those together in back to
back to back seasons, with drafting last a very hard schedule,
all the turnover and free agency guys continuing to be motivated,
it's a big challenge.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
And that's nothing to say that the Chief couldn't accomplish that.
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Believe me, everybody would probably put them as one of
the odds on favor to do it. But even that,
there's not a fifty percent chance of that happening. There's
way less than that. Those players are gonna have to
show up every day. They're gonna have to put the
work in like they have. Fortunately, they have a tremendous
coach and Andy Reid who doesn't ever look backward. He's
not gonna say, hey, you know, we're gonna because we
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were great last year, we're gonna be great again this year.
He has a very veteran, experienced, championship level coach who
holds those guys accountable. They've got a great quarterback in
Patrick that, as we know, when he's on the field,
he's as great as a football player there is in
the NFL. Travis Kelce what he can do at the
tight end position. It's really a great safety. Blanka Rashid
Rice coming on as a rookie, Chris Jones. I mean,
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they've got Spagnulo back there as a decordinator, so they
have a lot of great pieces.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
But to win it all again is a momentous task.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
No one's gonna put it past them, but we're all
excited to show up and watch on opening day and
see what version of the twenty twenty four chiefs, what
they can do, and the goals they can set for
themselves and whether they can reach them.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know. One of the things you noticed, and again,
I think you're a compartmentalizer. I kind of sometimes watch you.
There are certain celebrities Jerry Seinfeld has this. I watch
your brain how it works, and you tend to isolate stuff,
compartmentalize it, become an expert at it. And that's why
I think you'll be very good at broadcasting. One of
the things you identified in Tampa was we got to
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get a right tackle. I need a blocking tight end.
I want to power running back. You identified because the
roster was good, but they had some holes. They had
a very good guard center, guard Jensen, that was that
was the strength of the team, and really young linebackers,
little young in the secondary, but you identified clearly you
and the coaches. Jason Light did one of the pushbacks
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on I have said on Aaron Rodgers, I said, effort
went to a great old line, Tommy went to a
great on line or made it one. Yeah, Russell Wilson
did not and Aaron did not. And my belief is
when you this is why Kirk Cousins do Atlanta works
excellent young O line. I worry that when you get older,
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you got your money, you may be married, you got
you don't want to get hit. And that just that
shaky old line to a forty year old quarterback off
an achilles surgery. I remember the year that you got hurt.
You came back the first six or seven games. I
would watch you. You didn't like people around your knees.
I do think that all I care about the Jets
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is that O line. Does that concern you with Aaron
that it's either old dudes or rookies and a lot
of guys in their prime on that on line in.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
New York.
Speaker 10 (39:52):
So in the offensive line is such an important part
of every great football team. If you show me a
football team that doesn't have a great old line, it
probably doesn't exist very often. If you are, you're pretty lucky,
and you better have incredible strengths every where. So and
the reason why is that offensive line is really they
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facilitate what happens on every run play. It's really up
to them. Can they displace the line of scrimmage? Can
they push the d line back? And then in pass protection,
when it's a must throw situation, can we give our
quarterback a chance to stand in there comfortably and make
the reads. And when I've been playing against teams that
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have good old lines, I can hear it in the
meeting rooms. I sit there in the front row of
every Bill Belichick meeting for over twenty years. When he
was coaching our defense and we were playing a good
offensive line, I knew that it was going to be
a long, hard day for our defense because in the
run game, they were going to push us off the ball,
they were going to create holes in space for them
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to run the ball well and possess it running it.
And when it was a must pass situation, quarterback would
have a chance to stand in there and make great
reads and on the flip side of that, when I
heard that our defense could tee off on that other
O line and we can really.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
Hold up in the run game with not as many
bodies as we.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
Needed to, I knew we were going to get a
chance to force the quarterback and the mistakes, and we
were going to have the ball a lot in terms
of possession because they were going to be punning the
football lot. So the choice is always made with I
was fortunate I had a lot of great offensive lines
in my career. I played with guys I had a
lot of confidence to them up front. Certainly, the center
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position is extremely important. It's such a unique relationship the
center and the quarterback have I loved all those guys
I played with.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
They were up front, they were getting.
Speaker 10 (41:45):
Everyone coordinated, and when I felt like they had things
under control up front, it gave me a lot of
confidence to stand back in the pockets. So choosing a
good team with a good old line is paramount to
the success of a quarterback going to have a good
season if your offensive line can't hold up in protection.
And I know when I was at Tampa when we
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beat them in the Super Bowl, the chief said, is
they really struggled up front.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
They had a lot of injuries that year. Andy Reid and.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Red Beach decided to come back, revamp that O line,
and they played tremendous football since they really invested in
their offensive line. Joe Tooney came on board last year,
they brought in Donovan smith yep, and they really revamped
that line. And look at the way Pachaco ran. Even
though he wasn't a high pick. Patrick could stand in
there and make throws down the field. So they've got
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to continue to do that. All these teams need to
make an investment in coaching and coaching the O line
and developing the O line, and that's going to be
the key to a lot of offense success this year.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Okay, let's look at the schedule for Fox so it
gets released. We know you're doing the Cowboys Cleveland Browns game,
so you got a pretty high profile game there with
Dak Prescott. But if we show it on the screen,
the Fox schedule, so when you play, you obviously watch
some stuff. Maybe if you have a late night game,
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you watch the red Zone, But during your career, now
you're gonna go headlong into this stuff, But during your career,
I sit with a notepad for eight hours on Sunday.
I've got no social life. How closely did you watch
the other teams outside of film Tommy, and I'm not
talking about film study. I'm and you didn't play in
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a lot of one o'clock games. You were usually on
the late games because they want to get mister Brady
on TV. How closely did you watch personnel or have
you had to play catch up?
Speaker 10 (43:42):
I watched every game. I try to pay attention and
follow every team every week. It's that was our job.
That was to understand the whole league the perspective, every
game counts. Those games meant whatever games, they meant a
lot to the division standings. Ultimately, because our team was
very competitive, the conference standings were very important. You didn't
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look too much beyond that, and we never talked about
the playoffs and so forth. But I knew what every
division opponent was doing every week. Where there were upsets,
where there were injuries, those were all very important to
the success of our team. You have to win your
division first. That's your best path toward the second round
of the playoffs is win your division.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Of course, doesn't always.
Speaker 10 (44:26):
Need to happen that way. A lot of teams have
proven that wrong. But at the same time, if you
beat those other three teams in your division, you got
a great chance to advance to the second round of
the playoffs. So I paid attention then, I'm paying attention
now all these games We're going to have some perspective
on as we go through the season. I'm very excited
about our Fox slate that I'm involved in. We got
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some incredible games. We got Chiefs at the forty nine
ers looking.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Forward to that.
Speaker 10 (44:52):
We got a bunch of Dallas games. We have Dallas
and the Lions, some really Dallas and the Ravens. I'm
doing so a lot of the teams that I've had
a lot of familiarity with, but also having Dallas on
our roster is extremely important for They just draw a
lot of eyeballs and I'll be excited to cover those games.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
We'll have fun with your fam. Look like I saw
one of your kids back there. Great seeing you, Tom.
I can't wait to see in the building. And I
know you're on vacation and I'm just taking time that
you would otherwise be having a good time, and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (45:25):
Hey, great to be with you. Good to see you
working on Memorial Day.
Speaker 10 (45:27):
And thanks to all the incredible people and very resilient
families that have sacrificed a lot for us in this
great day that we celebrate with our.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
Families as kind of the unofficial start of summer. So
hope everyone's enjoying their day.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
All right. Tom Brady for twenty minutes, certainly appreciated that
undisclosed location. It does have a nice beach, you can
tell from that, you know, it's it's really interesting when
you Tom paid so much attention to when he played.
And I can remember one time years ago somebody meant
somebody asked Aaron Rodgers about the Super Bowl, and he goes,
I didn't even watch it. He's like, I wasn't in it.
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I was frustrated. I wasn't in it. Brady's just and
this is why when people say how will Tom be
as a broadcaster, I always say, well, people that are
meticulous tend to be good broadcasters. If you're very much
into details, compartmentalizing, isolating, studying, you'll be a good broadcaster.
And you know, obviously you need a good company, good marketing,
you need a good partner. It helps when you have
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good games but generally when people ask me, I say,
if you're somebody that enjoys the process of work and details,
that's what broadcasting is. It sounds like it's just eight
seconds of saying something fun, glibs smart after a play.
It's a lot of details and a lot of homework,
and I suspect Tom's going to be really good at it.
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Brady in one hour, we thank you for choosing us.
Jamac It's not official, but it's sort of official. The
Celtics lead their series three to all over the young
and hobbling Pacers, your Mavericks. You have been on them
all year. They just keep disposing of really good teams.
They believe in themselves, and so I thought, on this
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Memorial Day, let's talk about the final. That's not official,
but it sort of is sort of yeah, So let's
talk Celtics and MAVs final. Oh forget Jinxes, that's what
we're gonna get. It's about as good as you can
get in the NBA. The big brand Celtics with two
stars Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and because of Mark
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Cuban's ownership, Dirk and the title, the MAVs carry some
gravtas and wait in this league. And they've got the
two best closers in the two best stars finishing games
in Luca and Kyrie Irving. You have arguably the best
player in the world Luca on a heater, and you
have arguably the best domestic player in Jason Tatum. You
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have the drama of the Celtics duo when are Jalen
Brown and Tatum finally going to deliver a trophy to
this story franchise. And you have the Kyrie factor. He
hated Boston, they didn't like him. So four big factors.
If you're not going to have a dynasty Lebron, a
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Steph or a KD. This is as good as the
finals can get. And if Porzingis is healthy, I think
I kind of like Boston in seven, but I don't
know that. I've been burying the MAVs all season. I
didn't like him against Okees ok see. I didn't think
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they'd beat Minnesota. But Boston to the finals is probably
the easiest sports prediction of the last year. They were
forty one and eleven against the East, and then the
Knicks fell apart and Haliburton's hurt and no Dame, no
Jannis embid wobbly listen. That was an easy one. Everybody
in the world picked Boston in the finals. There was
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no reason to be a contrarian. Dallas to the finals. Yeah,
I missed that about six times. I said it last week.
I think Boston in this group is too good not
to win at least one title. They're weird, though odd Historically,
they're a fifty to fifty bet at home against the
Eastern playoff teams. And I think Luca is too gifted
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and too great for him not to win at least
one championship. And this series actually reminds me of one
I covered about twenty four years ago, the Blazers and
the Lakers. So the Celtics are the Blazers, more quality
B plus above players, A good staff gave the Lakers problems.
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Many times in the series you thought the Blazers a
Scottie Pippin as a bonus, it could be Rashid Wallace,
Damon Stodommeyer. They had really good players. They had the
Lakers pinned in many games, took the lead in many games.
That's the Celtics, a deeper quality team of B plus players.
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And then there's the MAVs, which remind me of a
little bit of the Lakers. The two best closers, Shaq
and Kobe, won the series in seven, the two best
closers at the time on the planet, one inside one perimeter.
That series went back and forth. Those were the two
best teams. Both would have been beaten Indiana in the finals.
One did the Lakers. Portland would have, but for a
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majority of that series I was in Portland. I thought
Portland was better, and they were until that slam dunk
from Kobe to Shaq, and then the closers coffees for
closers closed it. And that's how I feel about this series.
I've been betting against Kyrie and Luca now for a
month and they're both in a heater, and Kyrie was
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a big swing and aggressive wins in sports, and offense
wins in basketball. I know, I know, I know, defense
wins championships. Yeah, I'm gonna take Mahomes fourth quarter. I
don't care what his defense looks like. And it is
really hard to bet against Luca and Kyrie because they
are the two best closers in this series. And Barkley
talked about it after as.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
A guard A Michael A Kobe, give me some other guys,
Tamack step Curry. That's no substant You can't. You can't
stop great one on one players because you can make
them take tough shots, but they gonna get the shot
they won't. Kyrie and Luc are gonna get the shot
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they won't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, the degree of difficulty Luca takes with about half
his shots is remarkable, and it feels like sixty five
percent go in. So I think I like Boston if
Porzingis is healthy. But I've been saying this against every
team that faces Dallas. I thought Okayse was gonna beat
him with their youth. Luca was all banged up. I
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thought Minnesota would probably win their size in six or seven.
I even thought the Clippers would give the Magic Mavericks problems.
Is wrong wrong, wrong, wrong, can't wait for it. Celtics
will wrap up their series. I presume tonight. Dallas will
wrap up Theirs in a couple of days. And I
want to talk about Kyrie Irving. I've had my issues
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with Kyrie Irving, although when they made this deal on
February fifth, couple years ago, I said at the time,
you got to take a swing. Mark Cuban's taking a swing.
You got to get Lucas somebody, or he'll leave town.
Kyrie is actually fascinating. He is the dilemma even the
top gms in the NBA face when you have an
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all time talent that can be moody and difficult on
a regular basis, what do you do? He was a
disaster in Boston, mostly a disaster in Brooklyn. Before Lebron
got the Cleveland nobody liked him and his first year
was a tad turbulent in Dallas. But right now it's incredible.
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And in the NFL it's different. In the National Football League,
your top stars usually get in line with the coach
and the culture and the offense defense special team system.
They get in line. But the NFL is not a
star driven league. It's not it's a roster driven, shield driven,
gm coach driven league with stars. The NBA is a
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star driven league like international soccer, and they're going to
get what they want. And most guys are good guys,
but some guys are petulant and moody and difficult and
yet all world. And it's why even the best general
managers like Pat Riley are going to take swings on
a Jimmy Butler, a Kawhi, Leonard Kyrie Irving, a James
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Harden when you get these players that are just different.
If that players in the right frame of mind, you
get trophies, You secure your job, your coach's job, your
family's security. And that's why people take swings. I mean,
I think it's been PJ. Washington and Gafford have been very,
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very nice supplemental pieces, but no Kyrie and Dallas is
already out of the playoffs. February fifth, twenty twenty three.
We looked it up this morning. I said, when Dallas
went after Kyrie, well, it's gonna be good or bad,
but they're gonna be a handful and they're gonna be
Knights that you can't stop them. And this is an
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offensive league over a defensive league. Do you realize in
the playoffs, Kyrie leads the postseason and fourth quarter points
and that's playing with Luca. That's playing with the best
scorer in the playoffs. So Luca needed a running mate.
They got him one with a history of being difficult
and moody and tempora mental and his own guy. But
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I've been watching this league forever. An aggressive wins in sports,
and you gotta take swings. And the Mavericks' best two
closers in the world right now are planning in Dallas.
Here's some thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Unbelievable, that's fine, they call him.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Some people miss the fourth quarter right, just amazing he's
scored with thirty three.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You know, he's born for this situation.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
You bore it for the Cloch situations.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So we just give the vote to him.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Going into Game four is still zero zero. And that's
the type of motivation and mentality we have in that
locker room. It's not just me. We feel like the
job isn't finished and we're going against one of the
greatest teams in the world. You know, they still have
the capability of beating us on any given night. Got
to appreciate where we are, but at the same time,
don't take it for granted, and don't take the other
team for granted, because they're pretty sure they're going to
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watch this interview. They're going to study all our habits
and see if we, you know, lay down a little
bit and get comfortable. I don't want to get comfortable
at all. I want to push forward even more so
and have our best game game four.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The best people in any business are in it to
get the ring, and Dallas looks like they're good enough
to keep Boston from getting it even one more time.
So J Mack, they have been your team. I will
say this for a three to zero series, the t
Wolves Mavericks is a really fun watch. It doesn't feel
that lobsided. Whereas Boston feels like significantly better than Indiana,
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Dallas feels better than Minnesota. But the games are tight.
Dallas has too many bad half court offensive possessions, and
when you have Luca and Kyrie, you have very few
of those. So the right team is leading the series,
but you can see Minnesota picking up a win. I
doubt it, but Minnesota was built to beat Denver. As
we've talked about, They're not built to beat Dallas. And
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there's also something about teams grow like Dallas. Before the PJ.
Washington Gafford moves, they weren't the same team. It wasn't
the same So they're a different team than they were
early in the season. So that's why when you went
into the Minnesota Dallas series, you could not take all
their earlier matchups. We've seen that. You see it in
college football now teams have an issue. Then there's the
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transfer portal, and you see it sometimes in the NFL
where Houston's a laughingstock. Oh wait, they get CJ. Stroud
and a good coach. They're a playoff team. So what's
fun about sports if you pay attention are the trade
deadlines the draft. The NBA draft does not give you
any immediate help like the NFL does, but the trade
deadline gives you help. Dallas is out of the playoffs,
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even with Kyrie, potentially without this front line to match
up against an ok se and in Minnesota, so the
supplemental players, it's just give Dallas credit. Big swing on Kyrie,
big swing at the deadline. Dallas tends to be that's
kind of the way to do it. Big swings in
big d and it's paid off.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
They would after Porzingis back in the day, they thought
he would be the running mate for Luca. That kind
of blew up they had Brunson, They blew that one right.
They didn't want to offer him the money. And now
the third third pitch and they hit it out of
the park with Kyrie Irving. But to your point, Minnesota
has led in the final five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Of all the midfields, very very close. But again, when
these games are close late, one team's a brilliant offensive team,
one team's based on defense. And you cross your fingers
of cat is in the mood.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Okay, but isn't your take that Jason Tatum has struggled
in late game scenarios. Does that give you pause for
the finals?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
There's no question, There is no question. I said it
is Blazers Lakers. That series came down to a couple
Kobe Shack plays. If you covered that series, Lakers trailed
by double digits in most games. Phil Jackson acknowledge, we
don't have a game plan for Rashid Wallace. We really
don't know what to do. It was just back and forth.
(12:18):
But in the end, Kobe and Shack with a difference
one of the great series I've ever It's probably the
best series I've ever covered in terms of intensity and talent.
So I mean, I'll say this from an NBA perspective, Yeah,
you cannot do better than Luca Kyrie and the MAVs
against Brown, Tatum, the history, Porzingish, Drew Holiday and the Celtics.
That is as good.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
We've been very.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Lucky, March Madness, NFL Super Bowls. We've been on a
string here for a lot of years. Celtics MAVs feels right.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
It's just a tough one for rooting interests. I like
Tatum a lot. I love Luka Dante's like, there's no
one to dislike in the series. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It should be a fun one. Yeah, Colin Wright Colin
wrong In forty five minutes, followed by Tom Brady.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
Lebron James is essentially now a free agent, according to
Rich Paul, his agent. He said on TNT, you know
he can go anywhere he wants. And this is the
interesting thing. He's the Lakers' only elite playmaker and he
is still overwhelm their biggest draw, Anthony Davis is great,
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not a big draw, sorry Austin ree fans. So the
Lakers are totally trapped. In my opinion, Lebron could go
to Philadelphia and join Joe Lmbid and Tyresse Maxi in
the incredibly weak Eastern Conference and just assure himself a
trip to the Eastern Conference finals at minimum. I actually
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think he could go play with Jalen Brunson and all
those rotational shooters and players for the Knicks in again
the very weak East and almost assure himself in Eastern
Conference finals. But here's the thing, I know you think
nobody wants to live in LA will sports stars do
and celebrities do, and a lot of stars threaten to
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leave LA. Kobe did, and some get traded like Shack.
But the weather, the vibe. Los Angeles is a city
of hills and canyons. You could have Denzel Washington as
a neighbor and never see him. And that's what Lebron
James like. You can't duplicate Los Angeles anywhere. It is
a nice, comfortable, breezy place to hide when you're a
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sports star. The Lakers don't have the wherewithal, the draft
capital or the players to move anybody to get a
star pick. They're not moving Anthony Davis and they're not
moving Lebron James. He's their only playmaker. He is still
the face of the franchise. He's got his titles, his legacy,
the bag, several rings. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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This is the game that Rich Paul and Lebron James
have been playing for years. They're playing it again, and
Lebron will get a Max deal and potentially his son
drafted with what the fifty to fifth pick. Colin Wright
Colin Wrong top of next hour plus, Tom Brady joins
us about five minutes after the hour, but really nice
(15:55):
news for one of those NFL teams that drafted a
quarterback in the first round, and that's coming up.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
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Speaker 1 (16:09):
Here we go, our two live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
and thanks for joining us on this Memorial Day. To
all the men and women, the brave men and women
who have sacrificed their lives to make our lives, liberties,
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and freedoms that much greater. You are in our thoughts today,
you and your families who have been part of this
country and make great sacrifices forever for the freedoms now
we all possess. Thank you on this Memorial Day. J
Mac tom Brady's going to show up in five minutes.
We got ourselves, the MAVs looking to close out Minnesota
that's got all sorts of issues with Rudy Gobert's defense
(16:52):
and Cats offense. And then we have the Celtics ready
to close out a pesky and fun and fast paced
Indiana team that's not quite yet but has been competitive.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Your buddy Jason Tatum had a really nice end of
Game three. I think he had thirty six points, four
key assists.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
In the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He was good, he was accepted. That was his best
playoff game. Yeah, we do it every Monday. It's called
Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said Luca on Tuesday last week, of
all the remaining players, was the best player. Yes, he
can be selfish, doesn't play well with everybody in his career,
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but he leads the NBA playoffs and points assists, third
in rebounding indisputable. His degree of difficulty even on his
made shots is like something I've almost never seen before.
We were right on that where Colin was raw. But
I was wrong on the Mavericks. I didn't know if
they could beat the Clippers. I thought they'd losed a
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young and fun Okac. I thought Minnesota would dispose of them,
probably in six or seven. But gafferd PJ. Washington, to
go along with Oka and Kyrie, have become a really dynamic,
energetic team that is tremendous if the games are close late.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I said Boston would get to the finals and
it would be sweeps or gentlemen sweeps. Throw in the injuries.
They're forty one and eleven against the East. Part of
it is the East is dreadful. The other part is
the Celtics are deep, resourceful, and they improve their coaching staff.
You are seeing what virtually everybody, including our show predicted.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Where Colin was wrong. Ant is not.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Quite ready to get to the finals. It was very
good against Phoenix and Denver. He has struggled from the
field team low plus minus. I love watching him play.
I think he works really hard. I think by the
end of next year he could be the face of
the league with Wemby and maybe Luca. But right now
he's shooting thirty nine percent from the field. He looks
a bit tired, He's lost some energy and at times
(19:00):
on his jumper he's lost some confidence. Where Colin was right,
Robert Sala, according to reports, is going to get more
involved in the offense, which worries me. I talked about
this in the last couple of weeks with Nat Hackett.
Since Sala arrived three years ago, it's the lowest scoring
offense in the league, regardless of coordinator and quarterback. I
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like Robert Sala, but I thought Hackett was Aaron's buddy,
not an elite candidate.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And here we are where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The Suns, according to a reporter Evan Sidery, are hoping
to pursue Lebron James. What get older and more expensive.
I don't get it. That one. I don't get at all.
I hope this kid has got good sources, because I
do not understand even doubling down on this group. I
like Booker, but you could get a haul for him.
(19:53):
What you don't want to be in this league is old, brittle,
and expensive, and KD. Beale and le On together to
me is problematic.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sean Peyton publicly this week we showed you earlier, came
out and said bo Nicks is ahead of schedule. This
doesn't surprise us. Bow Knicks at Auburn at Oregon insanely accurate.
Sixty one college starts in two good conferences, so you
know what you're getting. And I also think the key
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with bow Nicks he looks like a Sean Payton quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
DJ Moore, star receiver for the Bears, defended justin field
to the end, and I said, wait until he has
a couple of practices with Caleb Williams and he's going
to be a Caleb Williams guy. This week, DJ Moore acknowledged, Yeah,
this guy's good.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Pro athletes are mostly about winning, and some become later
in their careers about money. Sometimes they go hand in hand.
But Caleb Williams, in my opinion, is a transformative prospect.
You need help, you need production, you need the right coach.
But the kid is just different. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong on a Monday, it's Tom Brady's
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around the corner. What what's funny about that Chicago situation is,
and you hear this all the time, is that a
lot of times you're with somebody at work in any workplace,
and you really like somebody and you think they're really good,
and you feel a responsibility to sort of defend them.
And I think Dj Moore felt a responsibility his buddy.
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I mean, when you're a star receiver and you have
a young quarterback, I mean you're you're sitting next to
each other on the plane at lunch, like that's your guy.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You need each other.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's a timing position, a timing alliance quarterback and receiver.
But if you watch justin Fields play and you watch
Caleb Williams, Caleb gives you all the physical attributes, but
a much better thrower of the football. So that here's
DJ Moore talking about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
He was a quarter back last year and now we
got Caleb and going right through.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
H ll and back with him.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So I'm just looking forward to Sanwiti he put out.
You can see the natural leadership is there, the natural
armtown is there. Everything about him it's just always a
positive thing. And uh, even when he has a bad
like play, he's looking to learn real fast right after.
I mean, that's all you can ask him.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Listen, in my life, my adult life, I could count
on one hand the times I felt the Chicago Bears
had elite offensive talent. I may be able to count
that on one finger. This is a rare Keenan Allen,
DJ Moore, good offensive tackles, DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett Cole
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come out, Caleb Williams. The defense played well last seven
weeks of the year, top five in the NFL. So
it doesn't happen very often where I look at Chicago
and think, oh, they could match up with the best
offenses in the league, like a Miami, Baltimore, San Francisco Rams.
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I can almost and I've said this before, think about this.
It is hard as the NFL has pivoted, and the
fact that young quarterback play right now, at least physically,
is better than it's ever been. They go to camps,
the seven on seven, the quarterback stuff, The quarterbacks come in,
more starts, more attention, more ready to play, at least
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at a physical level. And the Bears have never had
a quarterback throw for four thousand yards. Just take a
deep breath and think about that. Green Bay has had
multiple quarterbacks do it in multiple seasons in the same division.
So they're just limitations on what Chicago should do. So
tom Brady's getting checked in right now, and I'll tell
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you when he's ready. All right, I'm gonna take a break.
Tom Brady's around the corner and we'll bring him in next. Well,
he's part of the team now. It's too bad I
don't run a four, four or five and have good hands,
because if we had some sort of network in or
mural thing. I think we'd win. Tom Brady joining us
live now from an undisclosed location, I'll just say it's nice.
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And he's got a better studio than I do today.
All right, twenty three years, seven super Bowls, five MVPs.
You said something recently, Michael Rubins, Michael Rubin's place, brilliant
guy for fanatics, and you were there. And I want
to play this bite because I had a little pushback
on this roll that bite of Tommy.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You have fifty three guys on the team, and you
think it's about you any about you, It's about us.
And the biggest problem I see with a lot of
the young players today, you guys are making it too
much about I and me because of social media, because
of branding and all that. It's fine, you're not gonna win.
There was a difference between being a star and being
a champion.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I heard that and I said, in your era,
you may have had a star quarterback coming out of
coll Colledge every five years in Lway, a Peyton Manning,
but even a big Ben was a nobody. Even you
at a Michigan you're battling for starts. Could I make
the argument that it's virtually impossible to come out of
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college Now, you're paid in il to come out of
college and not be a bit of a celebrity. That
it's harder to avoid those trappings today, Tom that it
was in your era.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
Yeah, that's a great point. I really that kind of
hit home for me. When I went to the University
of Michigan. I forgot we had lost in one of
the playoff rounds and coach Harbought invited me back to
do a national signing day and it was Jared Jeter
was there, and they almost formatted the day at Michigan
as the NFL Draft, and all these kids were basically
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coming from high school to college. And I remember leaving
there that day thinking that it was a great event
for the University of Michigan, and it was a really
cool event for a lot of the players and the
families who were being out of high school. But at
the same time, I think we're doing a real disservice
to those young aspiring athletes because we were giving them
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so much fame and notoriety just for playing high school football.
And you're right, I think a lot of the things
that we see now because of really the digital age
and the proliferation of information spread so quickly to everywhere.
There are so many young high school athletes that are
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getting notoriety and fame, and you're just at such a
young developmental type of age, and it's just a challenging
thing for your brain to wrap your head around it
so much. I think when I look back to when
I was coming out of college, when I was basically
getting into the pros, there were such few outlets to
cover you that you really felt like you had to
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do a great job. You had to do great things
to get noticed, and that was really the motivation.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Man.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
If I could ever.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
Get on the of a sports illustrated, if I could
ever get written about in the local paper, that will
mean that I did something really extraordinary, And that was
a not always the motivation, but that was really the
effect of what you put out as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And today it's obviously just so much different. So I
don't know.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
I think resilience and determination overcoming adversity, yes, those are
really sustainable traits and players and athletes and obviously entrepreneurs, businessman.
Look at you, look at all the things you've had
to overcome, and I just don't want us to give
so much to the younger generation before they really have
the full perspective on what those things mean for them.
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So I recognize that change at Michigan that day. That
was really like a punch in the gut for me
to go, Wow, you know, we're probably gone a little
too far with this, but you know, naturally the pendulum
kind of swings and swings back, and I just hope
these young athletes can really understand the what's really good
to make their career, not their brand or their physical ability,
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but their connection with their teammates, their leadership ability, them
wanting to put the team first above individual goals and recognition.
When they show up every day, they are thinking what
can I do to help the team win? Because that's
the most fulfilling part about team sports is winning.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's funny, Tom, I never want to disincentivize my kids.
I always had the rule of the three c's. I said,
if you could be curious, compassionate, and competitive, you're going
to have a great life. And competitive is hard because
Dad's going to have a nice home, will go on
good vacations. And you were known to me of your
many gifts. You had the right height, you had the
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work ethic. You're a smart guy, You're really competitive, and
I think to myself, you can't be competitive jet scheme,
how does Tom Brady? And in a weird way, I
think to myself, Oh, I get competitive the broadcasting thing,
because you're going to get people take shots at you
and be snippets. So if you found yourself already with broadcasting,
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watching your tapes and getting hyper competitive, is that just
sort of who you are.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily. I
didn't give a.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
Shit if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we're playing trash ketball
in the locker room, I wanted to win. There's other
parts where I feel like I've matured a little bit
and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely competitive at everything.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster. I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me it's about did I put
everything I could into it? And I did I give
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the fans everything that they tuned in for. And that's
really how I end up gauging myself. And I'll have
to look at myself at the end of every Sunday night,
going did I do a good enough job? Did I
live up to the belief that Fox had in me?
Did I live up to the expectations of my teammates
Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and Richie's Ions and
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rich Russo and our entire truck, the entire team.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in that new role.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, good guys to work for.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I want you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I just saw a story. Sean Payton was texting me
last night about bo Nix and how happy he was
with him, and then he talked about it publicly, and
we thought it was a good fit because so much
in life is fit. You know, there's a million jobs
our kids could get in the workforce, but what fits
your personality and your drive and your ascension. And I
thought bo I thought he was Drew brees with mobility.
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Neither throws a great deep both a little undersized. And
I want you to go back to your first camp
because I don't care it's Michael Pennix or it's Caleb. Now,
Caleb's a little grooved in here. You know, Denver doesn't
have a great roster. You know some of these kids,
c J. Stroud had to wing it on the fly
a little bit. I want you to You may have
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had nightmares about it and try to suppress these memories,
but go back to your first camp. I don't view
Tom Brady as nervous, but was their anxiety? Were there
times you thought I'm over my skis here?
Speaker 10 (31:33):
It's a great question, I think naturally as an athlete,
we're all going to question as we move up to
the next level.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Are we capable? Are we enough?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
For most of the answers, I think we don't know.
We're gonna have to wait and see the development. And
everyone asks me all the time around the draft pre draft,
which of these kids is going to be the most successful.
There's two answers. One it's up to them, and two
is show me the people that are around them and
are helping.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
To develop them.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
It's not necessarily about someone's physical potential all the time.
So much of it is about can you retain information,
can you process it? Can you use the information? Are
you willing to study and go through the intricate details
of the game, like Drew Brees was, like Peyton Manning was,
like Philip Rivers was like some of the all time
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great John Elway was some of the all time great
quarterbacks were.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
You could be very physically talented.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
You could absolutely go to the wrong fit and have
a coach instruct you to do things that are almost impossible.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
To do right.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
You can't assume that what these young athletes are being
told that every coach is the same. Some coach may
have one perspective, another coach may have another perspective. So
why was I fortunate? Because I came into the Patriots
when Bill Belichick was there. He's the one that helped
develop me. Charlie Weiss was there, He helped develop me.
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Later in my career, Josh McDaniels was there. He helped
develop me. I could not have been the player I
was without people like that impacting my career. My first year,
I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to. He took
all the reps. I got to sit there from behind
and watch him every single day. I had a real
mentor to look up to and Drew so some of
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these teams and you look at Jordan Love who I
was watching some of those clips that you had on
before I came on, but he had Aaron Rodgers to watch.
He got That's the best type of training, in my opinion,
Watch someone else do it at a very high level,
and then try to emulate them with your own personality.
Maybe a little bit of the misnomer with the draft
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is that these players can come in and all of
a sudden become this great professional player before they've really
had the training and the development. And it was rare
for quite a while for rookie quarterbacks to come in
and play. Maybe if you're the first overall pick, but
not if you're a second rounder, a third rounder. You
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had a chance to be groomed. Well, we're not allowing
them to do that much anymore. Now we're throwing them
out there. Let's see what you can do. And it's
a really challenging thing. If I was a young quarterback
in this day and age to go out there with
the pressure of the agents and the families, the schools,
the social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner. How
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did these kids live up to that? I think it's
a real challenge for these young quarterbacks. Hopefully they go
into a system that can embrace them, that can fit
in multitude they are. Hopefully they have coaches around them
that can develop them in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So the Chiefs are looking to do something that's never
been done. And I grew up in the seventies, so
it's hard for me to believe. Sometimes the Steelers didn't
win three straight championships. You couldn't score on them. Forget
Swan and Bradshawn, Frankohery, you couldn't score on them. And
then there were Raider teams with Stabler and the Niners
and the Cowboys in your teams. So I want you
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to go to the years that you won a Super Bowl.
Let's stay in New England because in Tampa you brought
everybody back, which can actually work the opposite whether you
get too comfortable in New England. And Julius Edelman, who's
become a friend, talks about this. Could you tell Tom
in the camp after you won a Super Bowl, would
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there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man, we wait,
that was a bad practice. We got a Super Bowl hangover?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Did you fight that?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Could you sense that.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
There was? To win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging,
as we know.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Even when you look the way the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl last year against the forty nine ers, it
is an incredible comeback so to speak. They played really
well at the end. The margin of there was razor thing. Yeah,
and that's the way it's going to be this year
for them as well.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
It's very rare.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
I mean, I would played on an undefeated team. We
were the best team, I think, one of the best
in the history of football. In two thousand and seven,
we go to the Super Bowl, we play less than
our best game, The Giants play an awesome game and
they end up beating us. All these teams in the
NFL are very competitive, they're all well coached. The margin
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of theras raise oursin. So to win one Super Bowl
is extremely difficult. To win two back to back what
the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know, in
the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win three
in a row. There's a reason why no one's done it.
The reason why we haven't won three in a row
because it's hard.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
To win one in a row.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
So to put three of those together in back to
back to back seasons, with drafting last a very hard schedule,
all the turnover and free agency guys continuing to be motivated,
it's a big challenge.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
And that's nothing to say that the Chief couldn't accomplish that.
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Believe me, everybody would probably put them as one of
the odds on favor to do it. But even that,
there's not a fifty percent chance of that happening. There's
way less than that. Those players are gonna have to
show up every day. They're gonna have to put the
work in like they have. Fortunately, they have a tremendous
coach and Andy Reid who doesn't ever look backward. He's
not gonna say, hey, you know, we're gonna because we
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were great last year, we're gonna be great again this year.
He has a very veteran, experienced, championship level coach who
holds those guys accountable. They've got a great quarterback in
Patrick that, as we know, when he's on the field,
he's as great as a football player there is in
the NFL. Travis Kelce what he can do at the
tight end position. It's really a great safety. Blanka Rashid
Rice coming on as a rookie, Chris Jones. I mean,
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they've got Spagnulo back there as a decordinator, so they
have a lot of great pieces.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
But to win it all again is a momentous task.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
No one's gonna put it past them, but we're all
excited to show up and watch on opening day and
see what version of the twenty twenty four chiefs, what
they can do, and the goals they can set for
themselves and whether they can reach them.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know. One of the things you noticed, and again,
I think you're a compartmentalizer. I kind of sometimes watch you.
There are certain celebrities Jerry Seinfeld has this. I watch
your brain how it works, and you tend to isolate stuff,
compartmentalize it, become an expert at it. And that's why
I think you'll be very good at broadcasting. One of
the things you identified in Tampa was we got to
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get a right tackle. I need a blocking tight end.
I want to power running back. You identified because the
roster was good, but they had some holes. They had
a very good guard center, guard Jensen, that was that
was the strength of the team, and really young linebackers,
little young in the secondary, but you identified clearly you
and the coaches. Jason Light did one of the pushbacks
(38:57):
on I have said on Aaron Rodgers, I said, effort
went to a great old line, Tommy went to a
great on line or made it one. Yeah, Russell Wilson
did not and Aaron did not. And my belief is
when you this is why Kirk Cousins do Atlanta works
excellent young O line. I worry that when you get older,
(39:19):
you got your money, you may be married, you got
you don't want to get hit. And that just that
shaky old line to a forty year old quarterback off
an achilles surgery. I remember the year that you got hurt.
You came back the first six or seven games. I
would watch you. You didn't like people around your knees.
I do think that all I care about the Jets
(39:41):
is that O line. Does that concern you with Aaron
that it's either old dudes or rookies and a lot
of guys in their prime on that on line in.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
New York.
Speaker 10 (39:52):
So in the offensive line is such an important part
of every great football team. If you show me a
football team that doesn't have a great old line, it
probably doesn't exist very often. If you are, you're pretty lucky,
and you better have incredible strengths every where. So and
the reason why is that offensive line is really they
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facilitate what happens on every run play. It's really up
to them. Can they displace the line of scrimmage? Can
they push the d line back? And then in pass protection,
when it's a must throw situation, can we give our
quarterback a chance to stand in there comfortably and make
the reads. And when I've been playing against teams that
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have good old lines, I can hear it in the
meeting rooms. I sit there in the front row of
every Bill Belichick meeting for over twenty years. When he
was coaching our defense and we were playing a good
offensive line, I knew that it was going to be
a long, hard day for our defense because in the
run game, they were going to push us off the ball,
they were going to create holes in space for them
(40:55):
to run the ball well and possess it running it.
And when it was a must pass situation, quarterback would
have a chance to stand in there and make great
reads and on the flip side of that, when I
heard that our defense could tee off on that other
O line and we can really.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
Hold up in the run game with not as many
bodies as we.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
Needed to, I knew we were going to get a
chance to force the quarterback and the mistakes, and we
were going to have the ball a lot in terms
of possession because they were going to be punning the
football lot. So the choice is always made with I
was fortunate I had a lot of great offensive lines
in my career. I played with guys I had a
lot of confidence to them up front. Certainly, the center
(41:36):
position is extremely important. It's such a unique relationship the
center and the quarterback have I loved all those guys
I played with.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
They were up front, they were getting.
Speaker 10 (41:45):
Everyone coordinated, and when I felt like they had things
under control up front, it gave me a lot of
confidence to stand back in the pockets. So choosing a
good team with a good old line is paramount to
the success of a quarterback going to have a good
season if your offensive line can't hold up in protection.
And I know when I was at Tampa when we
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beat them in the Super Bowl, the chief said, is
they really struggled up front.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
They had a lot of injuries that year. Andy Reid and.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Red Beach decided to come back, revamp that O line,
and they played tremendous football since they really invested in
their offensive line. Joe Tooney came on board last year,
they brought in Donovan smith yep, and they really revamped
that line. And look at the way Pachaco ran. Even
though he wasn't a high pick. Patrick could stand in
there and make throws down the field. So they've got
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to continue to do that. All these teams need to
make an investment in coaching and coaching the O line
and developing the O line, and that's going to be
the key to a lot of offense success this year.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Okay, let's look at the schedule for Fox so it
gets released. We know you're doing the Cowboys Cleveland Browns game,
so you got a pretty high profile game there with
Dak Prescott. But if we show it on the screen,
the Fox schedule, so when you play, you obviously watch
some stuff. Maybe if you have a late night game,
(43:10):
you watch the red Zone, But during your career, now
you're gonna go headlong into this stuff, But during your career,
I sit with a notepad for eight hours on Sunday.
I've got no social life. How closely did you watch
the other teams outside of film Tommy, and I'm not
talking about film study. I'm and you didn't play in
(43:31):
a lot of one o'clock games. You were usually on
the late games because they want to get mister Brady
on TV. How closely did you watch personnel or have
you had to play catch up?
Speaker 10 (43:42):
I watched every game. I try to pay attention and
follow every team every week. It's that was our job.
That was to understand the whole league the perspective, every
game counts. Those games meant whatever games, they meant a
lot to the division standings. Ultimately, because our team was
very competitive, the conference standings were very important. You didn't
(44:03):
look too much beyond that, and we never talked about
the playoffs and so forth. But I knew what every
division opponent was doing every week. Where there were upsets,
where there were injuries, those were all very important to
the success of our team. You have to win your
division first. That's your best path toward the second round
of the playoffs is win your division.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Of course, doesn't always.
Speaker 10 (44:26):
Need to happen that way. A lot of teams have
proven that wrong. But at the same time, if you
beat those other three teams in your division, you got
a great chance to advance to the second round of
the playoffs. So I paid attention then, I'm paying attention
now all these games We're going to have some perspective
on as we go through the season. I'm very excited
about our Fox slate that I'm involved in. We got
(44:48):
some incredible games. We got Chiefs at the forty nine
ers looking.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Forward to that.
Speaker 10 (44:52):
We got a bunch of Dallas games. We have Dallas
and the Lions, some really Dallas and the Ravens. I'm
doing so a lot of the teams that I've had
a lot of familiarity with, but also having Dallas on
our roster is extremely important for They just draw a
lot of eyeballs and I'll be excited to cover those games.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
We'll have fun with your fam. Look like I saw
one of your kids back there. Great seeing you, Tom.
I can't wait to see in the building. And I
know you're on vacation and I'm just taking time that
you would otherwise be having a good time, and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (45:25):
Hey, great to be with you. Good to see you
working on Memorial Day.
Speaker 10 (45:27):
And thanks to all the incredible people and very resilient
families that have sacrificed a lot for us in this
great day that we celebrate with our.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
Families as kind of the unofficial start of summer. So
hope everyone's enjoying their day.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
All right. Tom Brady for twenty minutes, certainly appreciated that
undisclosed location. It does have a nice beach, you can
tell from that, you know, it's it's really interesting when
you Tom paid so much attention to when he played.
And I can remember one time years ago somebody meant
somebody asked Aaron Rodgers about the Super Bowl, and he goes,
I didn't even watch it. He's like, I wasn't in it.
(46:01):
I was frustrated. I wasn't in it. Brady's just and
this is why when people say how will Tom be
as a broadcaster, I always say, well, people that are
meticulous tend to be good broadcasters. If you're very much
into details, compartmentalizing, isolating, studying, you'll be a good broadcaster.
And you know, obviously you need a good company, good marketing,
you need a good partner. It helps when you have
(46:22):
good games but generally when people ask me, I say,
if you're somebody that enjoys the process of work and details,
that's what broadcasting is. It sounds like it's just eight
seconds of saying something fun, glibs smart after a play.
It's a lot of details and a lot of homework,
and I suspect Tom's going to be really good at it.
We'll do herd line coming up next
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