May 28, 2024 • 30 mins
Former Patriot Logan Ryan joins the heard to talk about his NFL career and playing with Tom Brady
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
You have strongly urged Logan to get into broadcasting. Pivot
into broadcasting. Please, we love them to see him here today,
the former Rutger Scarlet Knight, third pick, third round pick
by the Patriots. You know, we had Brady on yesterday
and we were talking a lot about there's a certain
competitiveness to be great at what you guys do. Like
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there's there's a lot of great athletes, but there's a
relentless The great ones are usually a little smarter and
a little more focused and a little more competitive. And
Tom said, I don't think I'll be quite as competitive
as a broadcaster. But is it if you go into
that space which I think people you're going to, you
know you're built for what we can see. What are
your expectations? Because as a player, if there's a blown coverage,
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right a lot of fans don't really understand what happens
on a play Oh yeah, in broadcasting a bad sentence.
Let me just warn you it lasts. How do you
view going into broadcasting challenge? Anxious? How would you how
do you want to be viewed as a broadcaster?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I think there is a little anxiousness about man if
I get if I say something the wrong way, then
it is documented.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Twitter is going to bring it up immediately.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I got to deal with the backlash or or whatnot.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But I viewed myself, Listen, we want broadcaster to be entertaining, right,
We want them to inform us, to be entertaining.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I think the best thing I can do better
than theatrics is use my experiences of playing for great coaches,
playing in a lot of playoff games, playing in a
lot of Super Bowls, and using my unique experiences that
I've had and kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Teach you through that kind of edge it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I hope to be educational and informative, and I hope
to educate the fan with basic knowledge like my kids
who watched the game right when Disney did a you know,
a broadcasting of the game with a Nickelodeon game right
at that level, all the way up to the highest
level fan.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I hope to educate everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We were talking about Jim Harbaugh earlier, and I said,
Harbaugh is relentless in his preparation, detail and his competitiveness.
You had really different coaches. You had almost an offensive
wizard in Shanahan. You had the smartest defensive coach ever
in Belichick, and a real alpha as a personality Mike Vrabel.
And I think sometimes when I look at a tomlin
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Er of Vrabel, I may not think they're as schematically
as gifted because they're so motivationally good. When in Rabel, again,
this is me being unfair. He's a former player, right,
Belichick's the academic. But go back to you know a
guy that you know well, Mike, who I always really
appreciated as a former player. How did he get buy
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in from the schemes?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He's really smart. He was a smart player. He was
a versatile player.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
He has championship pedigree, and I think his size stature
it matters.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I do think a lot of guys looked at him
and like, man, you could check my tape of what
I did, and he was putting his hands on offensive
lineman and defensive lineman in practice in terms of like
showing him how to get off a block, like, hey,
I can show you too. I could still do this
for a snap or two. But I think Rabel what
people don't understand is how smart he was. I mean,
I think he was when we had Dean P's there, right,
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and that's when Tennessee was going on those runs.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
We went to AFC Championship game, and you know when
I was there, and I think Dean Peas was a
wizard because he was with Belichick in New England and
Rabel played under Dean piece. I think when those two
were there, we were drawing up defenses and changing our
defenses from week to week to beat at Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I mean, we went from beating New England.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Right as an underdog in Tom Brady's last game as
a Patriot, to then beating the fourteen and two Ravens
at home when Lamar Jackson won MVP completely two different defenses,
and Ray was the head coach has not only implement
that defense with DMPs, but also be willing to say, yeah,
let's change our defense up. And we give Belichick a
lot of credit for doing that. In the Super Bowl
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against the Rams. Right, They're a non zone playing defense
the entire year. They have Stefan Gilmore, they have j C. Jackson,
they have Jason mccordy. They play man to man every
snap and they go play Sean McVay, which I think
is one of the most underrated Super Bowls from a
defensive perspective. Yeah, and run and zone the entire game.
And McVeigh did not see that coming. And that's Jared
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Goff's last game as a LA Ram.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah. The Niners, I've talked about this. They're in a
space now where they've got really expensive, great players, many old,
and some of those players, like McCaffrey, feels like a
pitcher who's thrown three hundred innings in four straight years.
I do feel like there's a sense for me, you're
eventually gonna have to pay Rock Purty, Trent and Christian.
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I mean, you can look at the data. They play.
They win, but Kittle, Debo, Trent, McCaffrey, those guys get
banged up. I kind of feel, and I said this teams,
there's arches. You could feel it with Tom Brady. He
got frustrated his last two years in New England with
a lack of playmakers on offense, you could hear him
on the sidelines. I do feel like the best version
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of San Francisco may have been last year. Now Hufunga
comes back at safety, but when you were there, the
intellect remains. But do you look at them and wonder
how many snaps does Trent Williams have? How many hits
does McCaffrey have debo? There are no finesse runs by debo,
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there are none. I look at them as a team
that is on the precipice of like moving downhill with injuries.
How did you feel there?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think this is a window right now and they're
in it.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And we know with great teams or trying to create,
trying to win championships or to contend and get to
that level year and the year that takes a toll.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
You're playing a lot more games everyone else, You're practicing
a full month longer than everyone else, and that adds up.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I think San fran is right in it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And they know what the roster they have when they play,
when they pay Rock Party, and they will pay Rock
Party that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They cannot keep everybody else.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
So I think that the foundation pieces of what we
see a Kittle, a Debo, a Trent fred a Bosa,
a hardgrave. It's hard to keep all those pieces together
for five ten years if you're not winning championships. So
this is their window right now. They're in and I
think they're right in. And I think last year was
a great opportunity. Obviously we're sick about that, but I
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think this year, I think they're the team.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I think this is their year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, this sounds like it probably is a simplistic question,
but you guys give your soul to a team, and
then you're traded, and so here you are. You're a Patriot,
you're a Titan, and then all of a sudden, you're
a Niner. And it's always weird to me. It would
be like me being on another network tomorrow. Forget not
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knowing the executives' names. It's like I can't screw it
up and say the wrong network. How long how do
you go from being a committed Titan? How long was
it the drive to work the team, the locker room,
to feel like you're part of something and not an outsider,
because it's no other career. Do we ask you to
be loyal to the team, and then you go from
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United Airlines to Delta in an hour, right, Like, it
is that hard to get buy in from them? Was
it hard for you to buy into them?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know, it's it's it's it is really hard. And
I think as I got older, I understood. And they'll
tell you these words, Well, it's a business. Well, you
show up every day to your work, and you got
to give a little bit more if you want to
be good at it, you can go.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You can get very little.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can give the least required that your contract allows
you to, like basic amount of hours. But we're training
all year round, we're eating healthy all year around. Or
a guy like me is I'm doing everything I can.
I'm trying to lead my teammates. I'm trying to be
a really good employee. Right And I felt at most
of my places I was a good employee. Is in
terms of doing what I was asked to do and
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going above and beyond in the locker room, off the field,
in the community, my kids going to school with these places,
my kids having friends, my wife, getting settled down a
certain situation, and then a team decides to move on
or a different direction of my contract expires, I don't extend.
I feel like I failed as a father. I feel
like I failed as a man of supporting my family
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and keeping them stable because when I had to move
my kids, I'm like, I must not did enough. I
should have got another interception, I should have won that
one game. But on the other side, to them, it's
just a numbers game. It's just a business. So I
think that's the hard side of it. And I think
great teams need players who care and buy in. But
at the same time, great organizations also move on from
players when they feel like they need to, and I
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think sometimes that's hard. It's hard to get that balance,
hard to get that buy in, and a team like
San Francisco has that buy in right now. Those players
really want it. Those players do give a lot. Those players.
Fred Warner's working out right now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I know Fred.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I call him Freddy Bean after Kobe Bean Bryant, Like
this guy is a tremendous worker. And Fred warnerver moved
on from San Francisco. That would be terrible to see
because of what he does for that organization. So I
think it's hard because the players have to give their
all to it and listen, you get rewarded handsomely. But
like you said, you you're on a different team quickly,
and I mean a matter of minutes, and you might
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not even learn from the team. You might learn online
before you even though. So those are things that are
really hard on families. Those are things that were hard
for me. But that just comes with the business that
you're playing in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's not fair of those Niner players buy into you.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think the Niners players definitely are brought in.
Like I said, it's they're playing. They went up against
you know, we went up against a great quarterback and
Patrick Mahomes and had a great drive at the end
of the game.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But you remember your first day walking into the locker
room San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I do, Yeah, I might have said it on here.
I walked in on a Tuesday, typical NFL off day.
You might have a handful of players in there on
off day. I mean some guys get out the building
because they're there six days a week. Maybe ten guys
there on off day. Guys in me treatment guys were
banged up. I said, they probably thirty forty guys in
the weight room working out. All the stars in there
working out I haven't seen anything like that since a
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couple of New England years. Was like that, Brady in
there and everyone following suit. So Perdy was in there
rolling out, Christian was in there squatting bosa.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Everybody was in there, and I was doing for a tryout.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I was coming off the cruise, just trying to try out,
and I did well enough, Like you make the team,
I said, I think so, And then like two weeks later,
I'm starting. But I was in there with them every
Tuesday as well, So I was like, man, I remember
telling my parents and my wife, I'm like, this is
this team's gonna gonna be a special team.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
So I gotta ask you about Pittsburgh and Howie Long,
the Hall of Famer, has a great line. He said,
there's not enough oxygen in a room for two good quarterbacks.
They don't have to compete like corners and safeties and
life packers like. So now you got Russell Wilson, super
talented justin fields, and Russell comes with a brand a reputation,
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whatever you think of him. There's a lot of stuff
and Justin Fields is too talented to just sit on
the bench. The schedule's brutal, so you know Russell's not
gonna have sixteen seventeen seamless weeks that quarterback room. Is
it gonna be weird? Like quarterbacks different, they don't compete.
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Tom wanted. You know, Tom didn't love Garoppolo in the
room and he was Tom Brady. What is that gonna be?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like, I agree with Howie Long.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
When you have when you have two starting quarterbacks, that
means you don't have one, you have none. I think
you know Russell has not been playing his best ball.
I think he can play better ball, and he will
play better ball in Pittsburgh. But you're gonna see Justin
Fields do something in preseason, and those fans are always
to be hoping and waiting, like man, maybe Russ had
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a rough game, Let's put him in, Let's get him
in there. So I understand, right, we're talking about football,
we're talking about business.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
We're talking about moving from players.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And not making long term commitments as much anymore, and
we're looking at analytics, and hey, if I get two
starting quality quarterbacks or guys who were starters in their
career for this price, why not put them both on
the roster. But I don't know if that works out
best for Russ or Justin Field. So I think you
might see a combination of both those guys playing this year.
Not in terms of let's put him in a wildcat.
I'm just saying I think it might get to point
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you put Justin Fields in because I don't know why
you get them just to sit there the entire year and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Do nothing with it at all.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
So unless Russ comes out and lights the world on fire,
which I do think he's gonna play well. However, I
do think that Baltimore is gonna play well. Right with
Derrick Henry and Joe Burrow is back in Cincy, I
think that's gonna go well. And I think Deshaun Watson
needs to show up and play some ball in Cleveland,
and Cleveland was a pretty good team last year without him.
So where's Pittsburgh standing at division and where's the Pittsburgh
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quarterback position stand out? The division is at the fourth
best quarterback room in the in that division, So it's
it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you played with Drowd Mayo in New England. Now
he's the coach and for years I would hear that's
the next coach. Bill loves him so but there is
a difference between being a really good player and beloved
by Bill and then breaking away and you make all
the decisions. That's a big difference. Expectations, growing pains. What
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do you think what are his strengths?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Tremendous leader.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I mean, I think that's Rabel's biggest strength, just an
alpha leader. I think he's relatable and smart enough to
understand the current day player who is different than what
he played. I do think he understands these guys. I
think he's willing to listen to these guys, these guys
already saying the changes that I already felt around there.
And I think that he's a great worker, very smart.
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I think he's put the time and I think it's
a great relationship with Robert Kraft, and I think that
will allow him to get the patience that is needed
to get through this process. I mean, they got to
figure out the quarterback position. They drafted a guy and
Drake made to help that, so I think they got
they got to figure that position out. If you don't
have a quarterback nowadays, you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
In general.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think they'll play good defense, they always do up there,
but they got to figure out the offense. They got
to figure out how to generate some points. And I
think Girod's gonna his staff is gonna have to help
him with that because he's not an offensive guy. But
I do think he is willing to adjust and listen
to other ideas, implement titles, which built Bill has not
done in a lot of years. And I think it's
going to be the strength of his staff. So I think,
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what is this coaching staff that he was able to hire,
who wants to work for him? And what can those
guys do? I think that's going to be the real
tell in New England.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you Vrabel you play with, he becomes a coach,
and Gerrod Mayo you play with. We're seeing in the
NBA and the NFL more players are becoming coaches. Did
you spot early with Rabel and with Gerrod Mayo, Oh
that guy will be a coach. Was there somebody on
the Niners that you look at and go, oh, that
guy could be a coach? Because I think it's rare. Yeah,
Like I didn't think Frabel would be a coach. I
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think he joined the Ohio State staff and I always
looked at him as just sort of a big, strong,
good looking guy. And all of a sudden you start
watching their games and I hear him talk and I'm like,
that guy's pretty brilliant. Girod Meo I heard for years,
did you instinctively know with like a Rabel in the
playing days? Because Rabel's chugging beers with Tommy, he didn't
feel like a coach to me.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I didn't play with Rabel. I'm not that old, but
but yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Came right after that, that era of New England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I knew of Brabel and I always heard about his
presence and how he was the guy in the room
that demanded a.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Lot from the rookies and and and.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Wanted things a certain way, and he just had the
respect from so many guys, from Teddy Bruski and guys.
I mean, people could think maybe Teddy Bruski could be
a coach, you know, he has that type of personality.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I think it's do guys want to do it?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I think guys can be a coach, but do guys
want to dedicate the hours and the time and the
job insecurity of you know, coaches don't coach for long
in the NFL. We know that, So do guys want
to go take that risk and do it? I think
the want two is what makes a great coach. And
in terms in my career, a lot of people said
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that I would be a good coach because I have
a knowledge of the game, and I was like, I
don't want to work that many hours for what And
I'm moving to some city that I don't ideally maybe
want to live into and get and get fired or
start somewhere. So it's kind of like, man, do I
want to Coaches are in that building much longer than
players are. They're missing more holidays than players are missing.
And you need me to have a wife and a
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family who understands that. And if you've made a certain
amount of money, you have a certain amount of piece
in your life.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Why go back into it, I guess is the question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So early Bill on the documentary could be pretty funny
with the press. Yeah, recent Bill roast can be pretty funny.
But there was a time in the middle ten to
twelve years he lost the humor. He was sort of
dismissive to us. But in those years maybe it's maybe
it's spygate. The Boston media could wear anybody out when
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Bill was seen as hardened and tough and difficult and dismissive.
Did you notice a personality change which happens to a
lot of people. You get beat up by the press,
you lose big games, you're mad at your owner.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Think it's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Bill was like GM and coach at the end. What
do you make of this return to sort of the
fun sense of humor Bill?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So I was in New England drafted twenty thirteen to
twenty sixteen, and I think you know, during that time
we dealt with the Aaron Hernandez situation.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And the flake Gate, right, And I.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Think that a lot of times it was like us
against the world type stuff in terms of he kept
everything internal. So I think I did see the funny
side of Bill that you saw at times. I saw
the low lights and stuff he talked about chewing guys
out in film, but I also saw the light hearted stuff.
So I think we had a great time. I had
a great time there, won a lot of games. My
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last game was a Malcolm Butler interception. I leave New
England right now that we get the stage set, I
leave New England. The next season is the Philadelphia situation.
Malcolm doesn't play in the Super Bowl. And when I
watched that documentary, I wasn't there right at this point. Now,
so now I'm not. I'm ex New England patriot. And
I see the kind of the turn right of the
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political statements coming out from Bill supporting you know, Trump
and whatnot. And we said we're not going to talk
about anybody's own personal beliefs, right, So I saw that
kind of shook the locker room, like, hey, we don't
talk about those things.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Why are you talking about those things?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And so I started to see when I saw the documentary,
I started to see a change. I played New England
right and Brady's last game intercepted them and whatnot. And
then so that was the kind of the end of
the documentary. When we beat New England in that game.
I remember, I'm friends with them, Cordy Twins, Doron Harmon, Brady,
James White, I mean, you name it, High Tower, Jamie Coull.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Those are my guys.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Those guys I've won Super Bowls with, spent a lot
of time with On off the field, they all seem tired.
They seem tired, like we won. I came up to
shake their hands and whatnot. I'm thinking, man, they just
lost in Foxborough, like we never lose in Foxborough, not
playoff games, and I'm like, oh, they might storm to
the lock them. They shook my hand and I congrats,
you deserve it, bro, and like I was just like,
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that's it. They just seemed defeed it in a sense
of just it was some long years, so I did
think it got a little dark, but I wasn't there
for those times.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But when I played them, I felt it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I felt like they were just okay being done because
it was just a long couple of years, those last
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Listen. I think pat Rileyo has said you get about
ten years and then you need a new voice. And
I think Bill and maybe dogmatic is the wrong thing,
but it was sort of a systematic way to do business,
sacrifice for the team. But I do think Bill eventually
he wanted to talk politics, and then Tom eventually wanted
to do a commercial and miss a camp and I
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think that's human. I always look at the Patriots dynasty
is how lucky was I to watch a twenty year
NFL dynasty basketball dynasty, I get like four years. Yeah, yeah,
So to me, I think it was a fitting and
predictable conclusion to the biggest sports business in America. Is
that twenty years? I mean you hug, and that's three
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times the length of a dynast. If Kansas City gives
us four more years, just four more, I'm not sure
it'll count. Is half of New England, and I feel
like Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yes, you feel interest for years? Yeah, they're rolling with
Andy Reid and Mahomes. Yeah. I think Bill was.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He he did a great job if you think about it,
of like putting this camp around, right and not letting
cameras inside. Right, there's no when that last dance, when
Brady's last dance footage comes out, it's gonna be phenomenal. Right,
we kind of saw a little bit, but it's like
no cameras were in yet, no idea what was happening,
and he just focused on playing ball. It's like the
m Night Cemalon movie The Village or whatever, and you
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just live in a certain way, right for so many years,
then you just hop out like oh, there's a target
across the street. I didn't know we were. We were
living like those the nineteen nineties. But times have changed.
People want to talk about political views. Political view got
into football, people want to do commercials. It's okay to
have your cell phone in a meeting. So these things
employees right in the workplace. They're the man's changed. I
think as a boss, you got to understand that. I
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think he did a great job to make time stand
still for twenty years and get players to truly focus
on what's important, which is executing football. And at the
end of the day, political views, all that stuff has
nothing to do with playing a football game. And Bill
did a great job of getting guys in position to
build to play a football game and win it. But
there's a lot of other things in life that we
need to talk about at work nowadays, and that's just
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kind of where we're at nowadays.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I love that he made time stand still for twenty years,
but eventually time breaks through.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Eventually they look over and it's like, oh, we're not
in a village in the middle of the woods. We
can have some freedoms.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
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Erro pointing up in Indy. They brought in Joe.
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Flacco as a veteran presence this offseason to alp Richardson,
you know, maybe reach his full potential something.
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The second year quarterback has fully embraced.
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Man.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
It's crazy because Joe was in the NFL when I
was in elementary school. So it's like it's like every
time I see him, it's like, bro, that's that's Joe
Flacco right there. You know, I asked some questions all
the time, and he's just laid back. He's still I'm like, okay, wait.
At meeting rooms, he's telling me a certain thing. He's like,
I would do this, I would do this. But you
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know that's just me and a lot. Okay, cool. So
I just taken it added to my bang. But it's
amazing just to have a a bad guy like that.
You know, it's Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So yeah, that is funny. How what an advantage. Plus
Flacco's like made his money, got a ring, married kids
like a I mean, Flacco last year was a great story.
He'd he was so loose you had playing with nothing
to lose. Yeah, so that's that's your classic sort of
Alex Smith Joe Flacco. You're getting a real grown up
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in the room. Good guy wants to be like he
can play nothing to lose, can play, but good guy
in the film.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
I'm wondering how Flacco sold that to the family. Hey, guys,
I was retired. We lived in Baltimore forever. I did
Cleveland last year. I'm gonna I'm gonna live in Indy
and play football for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This season. Oh, it depends on how old your kids are.
But like your family doesn't always have to. I mean,
like if the kids were in school, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You're not gonna pull them out to move to Indy
for a year.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I mean, I think professional athletes sell it to
their family that look at the life this helps create.
I mean, it's a pretty cool life to be a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
In the NFL.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
He's probably got enough that he might own his own
private jet. Remember he was getting paid back in the day.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Joe Flahol's done well, yeah, very well.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Maybe who knows, maybe things will go well for him
in India. Let's stay in the division to go to Houston.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Texans man their roster Colin you you start comparing rosters,
Texans are right there near the top.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They are led, of course by c. J. Stroud, who
had a great rookie year.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
The biggest move they had was adding Stefan Diggs to
what was a young wide receiver room. Something Damko Ryan's
believe will cause. Defense is a lot of problems.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I want to put.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Defenses in bonds.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
I think with those three guys it allows us to
do that because they are so different and they can
all do different things, but at the end of the day,
they are all explosive finishers with the football, all right,
and that's what makes those guys great players. They can
win on third down and they can finish and get
in the ends on and that's what we look for
at all Steel positions on offense. So having three receivers there,
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it definitely opens up the playbook for us, and it
puts a lot of stress on the defense.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, they're good. That division is no joke now, and
you've got if Anthony Richardson the state's healthy, Trevor Lawrence,
c J. Stroud, It's amazing. C J. Stroud Like, now
you look at that division and you're like, the only
question now, can Will Levis play? And Will Levis's receiving
corps is stellar. It's good, and they have an offensive coach.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Texans have the first of all, they got Joe Mixon,
I don't know you remember him in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Good, Damian Pierce, who's a young kid.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Good. So like they're gonna they're gonna say, hey, listen,
if you're gonna just play back, we'll take the run.
But Diggs Collins, Tank, Dell, Robert Woods, who's a solid
possession receiver. Noah Brown showed well, John Metschi, the young
guy from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, there's no they got there.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
They got some dudes.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm really interested to watch Anthony Richardson because I think
Shane Steikens, I mean, Anthony had thirteen college starts. So
the kid comes in, he's so raw, and I think
both of us, you and I both watched him and thought,
but he's way better than I thought. But he was
the best athlete on the field in the games he played.
He was the best athlete.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
But that's the keyword athlete.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, he was the best quarterback. But I think, I mean,
he's just some guys are I mean, he got rid
of that bulk. I was actually shocked with thirteen college
starts to go into Shane steiken system. I thought he
was pretty good playing, kind of shocking.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I remember somebody who went down to Gainesville to try
to recruit him, you know, to be their agent, and
ultimately they were like, yeah, and he probably should stay
another year.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And that was a consensus from a lot of people.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Richardson could use another year, sure, And then he goes out.
He's an early draft pick and he's dynamic as hell.
He's just one of those athletic guys who could just
slide right in.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
If he starts to get the quarterback stuff down.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Footwork and toys and going through the rotation progressions, this
guy could be He could be a top ten quarterback
in the league sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, I think it's I think he's really There are
certain people. Certain athletes jump off the television like Ant
even last year, just jumps off the tv. Anthony Richardson
is different.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Final story is Victor weban Yama had an amazing rookie year.
Obviously Rookie the Year, finished second and Defensive Player of
the Year voting. Damian Lillard, however, sees even bigger things
for Wemby. Damian Lillard told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I
think by next season people are going to be talking
about weban Yama.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
As the best player in the league in his second year.
Is that even possible? Could he pass Luca?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
He's just so unique, He's so long. I mean, like
he he you know in football they call it like
closing speed when you get burned as a corner, Like
he's got closing like you can fool him off the
dribble and it just he'll just catch up to you
and block the shop. And I'm talking six nine, six
ten guys. He's he is just it's just all different.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I see another name I've seen link to them is
Darius Garland from the Cabs.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
He's good, good player.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He ends up.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Now, anybody who next ends up next to Weeman Yama's
gonna be good.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Donovan Mitchell, Paul Pierce, whoever it is, Jonte Murray, Jontay Murray,
Like they're like, I just wonder if he's already so
good that people are like, I want to go play
with that guy, you know how, Like Lebron's like, hey,
come to Miami, come to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
People people follow.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Is Webbin Yama gonna be Does he have that gravitational?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
At any one time in my life, there's been about
four players that controlled the NBA. You can go to
any era. It was sort of like Magic and Bird
in Isaiah for a while, and then it was sort
of like Michael Jordan, you know, and and Barkley was
controlling the West in Phoenix. There's always about there's always
about four guys that kind of feel like they control
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the league. I think Jokic Wemby, Luca Luca are the
three absolutes.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Three Europeans.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, I mean, but I think if you're asking me
for the next ten years, I would say my guess
is Wemby, Jokich, Luca will control the league, Yannis will
be close. Tatum is part of a collective. But that's
what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I can't argue.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
A lot of people want to push back SGA, what
about any.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Jay's gonna score a bunch of points. But there is
a size dimension. I mean, Luca's literally, you know, he's
he's the imp. He's like magic is a guard you
just can't just too big, too thick, yea, you know,
he controls the usage, the tempo.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
It's just Lebron. It took him longer than a year
to be the best player in the league. It took
like three or four when he went to the finals,
is like a twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Look, Lebron wasn't seven to four like a.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
The sec five. Let's not sure change it again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, there are just dynamics here at work. Just on
sheer size, you can just do things. I mean, if
he could average five and a half locks a game,
that's insane. And by the way, that's just the blocks.
What about altering shots?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
J Mack with the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Logan Ryan nick Wright and remembering Bill Walton on our
show today. Good stuff. So tonight, the Dallas Mavericks look
to close out and face the Boston Celtics. My hunches,
they do close out. I think it's hard, hard to
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overcome three love and hard maybe harder to overcome it emotionally.
MAVs win tonight.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
You have strongly urged Logan to get into broadcasting. Pivot
into broadcasting. Please, we love them to see him here today,
the former Rutger Scarlet Knight, third pick, third round pick
by the Patriots. You know, we had Brady on yesterday
and we were talking a lot about there's a certain
competitiveness to be great at what you guys do. Like
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there's there's a lot of great athletes, but there's a
relentless The great ones are usually a little smarter and
a little more focused and a little more competitive. And
Tom said, I don't think I'll be quite as competitive
as a broadcaster. But is it if you go into
that space which I think people you're going to, you
know you're built for what we can see. What are
your expectations? Because as a player, if there's a blown coverage,
(01:09):
right a lot of fans don't really understand what happens
on a play Oh yeah, in broadcasting a bad sentence.
Let me just warn you it lasts. How do you
view going into broadcasting challenge? Anxious? How would you how
do you want to be viewed as a broadcaster?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I think there is a little anxiousness about man if
I get if I say something the wrong way, then
it is documented.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Twitter is going to bring it up immediately.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I got to deal with the backlash or or whatnot.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But I viewed myself, Listen, we want broadcaster to be entertaining, right,
We want them to inform us, to be entertaining.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I think the best thing I can do better
than theatrics is use my experiences of playing for great coaches,
playing in a lot of playoff games, playing in a
lot of Super Bowls, and using my unique experiences that
I've had and kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Teach you through that kind of edge it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I hope to be educational and informative, and I hope
to educate the fan with basic knowledge like my kids
who watched the game right when Disney did a you know,
a broadcasting of the game with a Nickelodeon game right
at that level, all the way up to the highest
level fan.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I hope to educate everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We were talking about Jim Harbaugh earlier, and I said,
Harbaugh is relentless in his preparation, detail and his competitiveness.
You had really different coaches. You had almost an offensive
wizard in Shanahan. You had the smartest defensive coach ever
in Belichick, and a real alpha as a personality Mike Vrabel.
And I think sometimes when I look at a tomlin
(02:39):
Er of Vrabel, I may not think they're as schematically
as gifted because they're so motivationally good. When in Rabel, again,
this is me being unfair. He's a former player, right,
Belichick's the academic. But go back to you know a
guy that you know well, Mike, who I always really
appreciated as a former player. How did he get buy
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in from the schemes?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He's really smart. He was a smart player. He was
a versatile player.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
He has championship pedigree, and I think his size stature
it matters.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I do think a lot of guys looked at him
and like, man, you could check my tape of what
I did, and he was putting his hands on offensive
lineman and defensive lineman in practice in terms of like
showing him how to get off a block, like, hey,
I can show you too. I could still do this
for a snap or two. But I think Rabel what
people don't understand is how smart he was. I mean,
I think he was when we had Dean P's there, right,
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and that's when Tennessee was going on those runs.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
We went to AFC Championship game, and you know when
I was there, and I think Dean Peas was a
wizard because he was with Belichick in New England and
Rabel played under Dean piece. I think when those two
were there, we were drawing up defenses and changing our
defenses from week to week to beat at Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I mean, we went from beating New England.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Right as an underdog in Tom Brady's last game as
a Patriot, to then beating the fourteen and two Ravens
at home when Lamar Jackson won MVP completely two different defenses,
and Ray was the head coach has not only implement
that defense with DMPs, but also be willing to say, yeah,
let's change our defense up. And we give Belichick a
lot of credit for doing that. In the Super Bowl
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against the Rams. Right, They're a non zone playing defense
the entire year. They have Stefan Gilmore, they have j C. Jackson,
they have Jason mccordy. They play man to man every
snap and they go play Sean McVay, which I think
is one of the most underrated Super Bowls from a
defensive perspective. Yeah, and run and zone the entire game.
And McVeigh did not see that coming. And that's Jared
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Goff's last game as a LA Ram.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah. The Niners, I've talked about this. They're in a
space now where they've got really expensive, great players, many old,
and some of those players, like McCaffrey, feels like a
pitcher who's thrown three hundred innings in four straight years.
I do feel like there's a sense for me, you're
eventually gonna have to pay Rock Purty, Trent and Christian.
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I mean, you can look at the data. They play.
They win, but Kittle, Debo, Trent, McCaffrey, those guys get
banged up. I kind of feel, and I said this teams,
there's arches. You could feel it with Tom Brady. He
got frustrated his last two years in New England with
a lack of playmakers on offense, you could hear him
on the sidelines. I do feel like the best version
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of San Francisco may have been last year. Now Hufunga
comes back at safety, but when you were there, the
intellect remains. But do you look at them and wonder
how many snaps does Trent Williams have? How many hits
does McCaffrey have debo? There are no finesse runs by debo,
(05:42):
there are none. I look at them as a team
that is on the precipice of like moving downhill with injuries.
How did you feel there?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think this is a window right now and they're
in it.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And we know with great teams or trying to create,
trying to win championships or to contend and get to
that level year and the year that takes a toll.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
You're playing a lot more games everyone else, You're practicing
a full month longer than everyone else, and that adds up.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I think San fran is right in it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And they know what the roster they have when they play,
when they pay Rock Party, and they will pay Rock
Party that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They cannot keep everybody else.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
So I think that the foundation pieces of what we
see a Kittle, a Debo, a Trent fred a Bosa,
a hardgrave. It's hard to keep all those pieces together
for five ten years if you're not winning championships. So
this is their window right now. They're in and I
think they're right in. And I think last year was
a great opportunity. Obviously we're sick about that, but I
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think this year, I think they're the team.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I think this is their year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, this sounds like it probably is a simplistic question,
but you guys give your soul to a team, and
then you're traded, and so here you are. You're a Patriot,
you're a Titan, and then all of a sudden, you're
a Niner. And it's always weird to me. It would
be like me being on another network tomorrow. Forget not
(07:05):
knowing the executives' names. It's like I can't screw it
up and say the wrong network. How long how do
you go from being a committed Titan? How long was
it the drive to work the team, the locker room,
to feel like you're part of something and not an outsider,
because it's no other career. Do we ask you to
be loyal to the team, and then you go from
(07:27):
United Airlines to Delta in an hour, right, Like, it
is that hard to get buy in from them? Was
it hard for you to buy into them?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know, it's it's it's it is really hard. And
I think as I got older, I understood. And they'll
tell you these words, Well, it's a business. Well, you
show up every day to your work, and you got
to give a little bit more if you want to
be good at it, you can go.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You can get very little.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can give the least required that your contract allows
you to, like basic amount of hours. But we're training
all year round, we're eating healthy all year around. Or
a guy like me is I'm doing everything I can.
I'm trying to lead my teammates. I'm trying to be
a really good employee. Right And I felt at most
of my places I was a good employee. Is in
terms of doing what I was asked to do and
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going above and beyond in the locker room, off the field,
in the community, my kids going to school with these places,
my kids having friends, my wife, getting settled down a
certain situation, and then a team decides to move on
or a different direction of my contract expires, I don't extend.
I feel like I failed as a father. I feel
like I failed as a man of supporting my family
(08:30):
and keeping them stable because when I had to move
my kids, I'm like, I must not did enough. I
should have got another interception, I should have won that
one game. But on the other side, to them, it's
just a numbers game. It's just a business. So I
think that's the hard side of it. And I think
great teams need players who care and buy in. But
at the same time, great organizations also move on from
players when they feel like they need to, and I
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think sometimes that's hard. It's hard to get that balance,
hard to get that buy in, and a team like
San Francisco has that buy in right now. Those players
really want it. Those players do give a lot. Those players.
Fred Warner's working out right now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I know Fred.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I call him Freddy Bean after Kobe Bean Bryant, Like
this guy is a tremendous worker. And Fred warnerver moved
on from San Francisco. That would be terrible to see
because of what he does for that organization. So I
think it's hard because the players have to give their
all to it and listen, you get rewarded handsomely. But
like you said, you you're on a different team quickly,
and I mean a matter of minutes, and you might
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not even learn from the team. You might learn online
before you even though. So those are things that are
really hard on families. Those are things that were hard
for me. But that just comes with the business that
you're playing in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's not fair of those Niner players buy into you.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think the Niners players definitely are brought in.
Like I said, it's they're playing. They went up against
you know, we went up against a great quarterback and
Patrick Mahomes and had a great drive at the end
of the game.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But you remember your first day walking into the locker
room San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I do, Yeah, I might have said it on here.
I walked in on a Tuesday, typical NFL off day.
You might have a handful of players in there on
off day. I mean some guys get out the building
because they're there six days a week. Maybe ten guys
there on off day. Guys in me treatment guys were
banged up. I said, they probably thirty forty guys in
the weight room working out. All the stars in there
working out I haven't seen anything like that since a
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couple of New England years. Was like that, Brady in
there and everyone following suit. So Perdy was in there
rolling out, Christian was in there squatting bosa.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Everybody was in there, and I was doing for a tryout.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I was coming off the cruise, just trying to try out,
and I did well enough, Like you make the team,
I said, I think so, And then like two weeks later,
I'm starting. But I was in there with them every
Tuesday as well, So I was like, man, I remember
telling my parents and my wife, I'm like, this is
this team's gonna gonna be a special team.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
So I gotta ask you about Pittsburgh and Howie Long,
the Hall of Famer, has a great line. He said,
there's not enough oxygen in a room for two good quarterbacks.
They don't have to compete like corners and safeties and
life packers like. So now you got Russell Wilson, super
talented justin fields, and Russell comes with a brand a reputation,
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whatever you think of him. There's a lot of stuff
and Justin Fields is too talented to just sit on
the bench. The schedule's brutal, so you know Russell's not
gonna have sixteen seventeen seamless weeks that quarterback room. Is
it gonna be weird? Like quarterbacks different, they don't compete.
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Tom wanted. You know, Tom didn't love Garoppolo in the
room and he was Tom Brady. What is that gonna be?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like, I agree with Howie Long.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
When you have when you have two starting quarterbacks, that
means you don't have one, you have none. I think
you know Russell has not been playing his best ball.
I think he can play better ball, and he will
play better ball in Pittsburgh. But you're gonna see Justin
Fields do something in preseason, and those fans are always
to be hoping and waiting, like man, maybe Russ had
(12:01):
a rough game, Let's put him in, Let's get him
in there. So I understand, right, we're talking about football,
we're talking about business.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
We're talking about moving from players.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And not making long term commitments as much anymore, and
we're looking at analytics, and hey, if I get two
starting quality quarterbacks or guys who were starters in their
career for this price, why not put them both on
the roster. But I don't know if that works out
best for Russ or Justin Field. So I think you
might see a combination of both those guys playing this year.
Not in terms of let's put him in a wildcat.
I'm just saying I think it might get to point
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you put Justin Fields in because I don't know why
you get them just to sit there the entire year and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Do nothing with it at all.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
So unless Russ comes out and lights the world on fire,
which I do think he's gonna play well. However, I
do think that Baltimore is gonna play well. Right with
Derrick Henry and Joe Burrow is back in Cincy, I
think that's gonna go well. And I think Deshaun Watson
needs to show up and play some ball in Cleveland,
and Cleveland was a pretty good team last year without him.
So where's Pittsburgh standing at division and where's the Pittsburgh
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quarterback position stand out? The division is at the fourth
best quarterback room in the in that division, So it's
it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you played with Drowd Mayo in New England. Now
he's the coach and for years I would hear that's
the next coach. Bill loves him so but there is
a difference between being a really good player and beloved
by Bill and then breaking away and you make all
the decisions. That's a big difference. Expectations, growing pains. What
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do you think what are his strengths?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Tremendous leader.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I mean, I think that's Rabel's biggest strength, just an
alpha leader. I think he's relatable and smart enough to
understand the current day player who is different than what
he played. I do think he understands these guys. I
think he's willing to listen to these guys, these guys
already saying the changes that I already felt around there.
And I think that he's a great worker, very smart.
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I think he's put the time and I think it's
a great relationship with Robert Kraft, and I think that
will allow him to get the patience that is needed
to get through this process. I mean, they got to
figure out the quarterback position. They drafted a guy and
Drake made to help that, so I think they got
they got to figure that position out. If you don't
have a quarterback nowadays, you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
In general.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think they'll play good defense, they always do up there,
but they got to figure out the offense. They got
to figure out how to generate some points. And I
think Girod's gonna his staff is gonna have to help
him with that because he's not an offensive guy. But
I do think he is willing to adjust and listen
to other ideas, implement titles, which built Bill has not
done in a lot of years. And I think it's
going to be the strength of his staff. So I think,
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what is this coaching staff that he was able to hire,
who wants to work for him? And what can those
guys do? I think that's going to be the real
tell in New England.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you Vrabel you play with, he becomes a coach,
and Gerrod Mayo you play with. We're seeing in the
NBA and the NFL more players are becoming coaches. Did
you spot early with Rabel and with Gerrod Mayo, Oh
that guy will be a coach. Was there somebody on
the Niners that you look at and go, oh, that
guy could be a coach? Because I think it's rare. Yeah,
Like I didn't think Frabel would be a coach. I
(15:00):
think he joined the Ohio State staff and I always
looked at him as just sort of a big, strong,
good looking guy. And all of a sudden you start
watching their games and I hear him talk and I'm like,
that guy's pretty brilliant. Girod Meo I heard for years,
did you instinctively know with like a Rabel in the
playing days? Because Rabel's chugging beers with Tommy, he didn't
feel like a coach to me.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I didn't play with Rabel. I'm not that old, but
but yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Came right after that, that era of New England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I knew of Brabel and I always heard about his
presence and how he was the guy in the room
that demanded a.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Lot from the rookies and and and.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Wanted things a certain way, and he just had the
respect from so many guys, from Teddy Bruski and guys.
I mean, people could think maybe Teddy Bruski could be
a coach, you know, he has that type of personality.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I think it's do guys want to do it?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I think guys can be a coach, but do guys
want to dedicate the hours and the time and the
job insecurity of you know, coaches don't coach for long
in the NFL. We know that, So do guys want
to go take that risk and do it? I think
the want two is what makes a great coach. And
in terms in my career, a lot of people said
(16:08):
that I would be a good coach because I have
a knowledge of the game, and I was like, I
don't want to work that many hours for what And
I'm moving to some city that I don't ideally maybe
want to live into and get and get fired or
start somewhere. So it's kind of like, man, do I
want to Coaches are in that building much longer than
players are. They're missing more holidays than players are missing.
And you need me to have a wife and a
(16:30):
family who understands that. And if you've made a certain
amount of money, you have a certain amount of piece
in your life.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Why go back into it, I guess is the question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So early Bill on the documentary could be pretty funny
with the press. Yeah, recent Bill roast can be pretty funny.
But there was a time in the middle ten to
twelve years he lost the humor. He was sort of
dismissive to us. But in those years maybe it's maybe
it's spygate. The Boston media could wear anybody out when
(17:02):
Bill was seen as hardened and tough and difficult and dismissive.
Did you notice a personality change which happens to a
lot of people. You get beat up by the press,
you lose big games, you're mad at your owner.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Think it's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Bill was like GM and coach at the end. What
do you make of this return to sort of the
fun sense of humor Bill?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So I was in New England drafted twenty thirteen to
twenty sixteen, and I think you know, during that time
we dealt with the Aaron Hernandez situation.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And the flake Gate, right, And I.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Think that a lot of times it was like us
against the world type stuff in terms of he kept
everything internal. So I think I did see the funny
side of Bill that you saw at times. I saw
the low lights and stuff he talked about chewing guys
out in film, but I also saw the light hearted stuff.
So I think we had a great time. I had
a great time there, won a lot of games. My
(17:54):
last game was a Malcolm Butler interception. I leave New
England right now that we get the stage set, I
leave New England. The next season is the Philadelphia situation.
Malcolm doesn't play in the Super Bowl. And when I
watched that documentary, I wasn't there right at this point. Now,
so now I'm not. I'm ex New England patriot. And
I see the kind of the turn right of the
(18:15):
political statements coming out from Bill supporting you know, Trump
and whatnot. And we said we're not going to talk
about anybody's own personal beliefs, right, So I saw that
kind of shook the locker room, like, hey, we don't
talk about those things.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Why are you talking about those things?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And so I started to see when I saw the documentary,
I started to see a change. I played New England
right and Brady's last game intercepted them and whatnot. And
then so that was the kind of the end of
the documentary. When we beat New England in that game.
I remember, I'm friends with them, Cordy Twins, Doron Harmon, Brady,
James White, I mean, you name it, High Tower, Jamie Coull.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Those are my guys.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Those guys I've won Super Bowls with, spent a lot
of time with On off the field, they all seem tired.
They seem tired, like we won. I came up to
shake their hands and whatnot. I'm thinking, man, they just
lost in Foxborough, like we never lose in Foxborough, not
playoff games, and I'm like, oh, they might storm to
the lock them. They shook my hand and I congrats,
you deserve it, bro, and like I was just like,
(19:14):
that's it. They just seemed defeed it in a sense
of just it was some long years, so I did
think it got a little dark, but I wasn't there
for those times.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But when I played them, I felt it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I felt like they were just okay being done because
it was just a long couple of years, those last
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Listen. I think pat Rileyo has said you get about
ten years and then you need a new voice. And
I think Bill and maybe dogmatic is the wrong thing,
but it was sort of a systematic way to do business,
sacrifice for the team. But I do think Bill eventually
he wanted to talk politics, and then Tom eventually wanted
to do a commercial and miss a camp and I
(19:50):
think that's human. I always look at the Patriots dynasty
is how lucky was I to watch a twenty year
NFL dynasty basketball dynasty, I get like four years. Yeah, yeah,
So to me, I think it was a fitting and
predictable conclusion to the biggest sports business in America. Is
that twenty years? I mean you hug, and that's three
(20:12):
times the length of a dynast. If Kansas City gives
us four more years, just four more, I'm not sure
it'll count. Is half of New England, and I feel
like Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yes, you feel interest for years? Yeah, they're rolling with
Andy Reid and Mahomes. Yeah. I think Bill was.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He he did a great job if you think about it,
of like putting this camp around, right and not letting
cameras inside. Right, there's no when that last dance, when
Brady's last dance footage comes out, it's gonna be phenomenal. Right,
we kind of saw a little bit, but it's like
no cameras were in yet, no idea what was happening,
and he just focused on playing ball. It's like the
m Night Cemalon movie The Village or whatever, and you
(20:49):
just live in a certain way, right for so many years,
then you just hop out like oh, there's a target
across the street. I didn't know we were. We were
living like those the nineteen nineties. But times have changed.
People want to talk about political views. Political view got
into football, people want to do commercials. It's okay to
have your cell phone in a meeting. So these things
employees right in the workplace. They're the man's changed. I
think as a boss, you got to understand that. I
(21:10):
think he did a great job to make time stand
still for twenty years and get players to truly focus
on what's important, which is executing football. And at the
end of the day, political views, all that stuff has
nothing to do with playing a football game. And Bill
did a great job of getting guys in position to
build to play a football game and win it. But
there's a lot of other things in life that we
need to talk about at work nowadays, and that's just
(21:31):
kind of where we're at nowadays.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I love that he made time stand still for twenty years,
but eventually time breaks through.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Eventually they look over and it's like, oh, we're not
in a village in the middle of the woods. We
can have some freedoms.
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Speaker 1 (22:22):
On a very busy day, Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
News, this is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Let's go to the Colts and Anthony Richardson. We like
him a lot like Shane Stiking a lot.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Erro pointing up in Indy. They brought in Joe.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Flacco as a veteran presence this offseason to alp Richardson,
you know, maybe reach his full potential something.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
The second year quarterback has fully embraced.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
Man.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
It's crazy because Joe was in the NFL when I
was in elementary school. So it's like it's like every
time I see him, it's like, bro, that's that's Joe
Flacco right there. You know, I asked some questions all
the time, and he's just laid back. He's still I'm like, okay, wait.
At meeting rooms, he's telling me a certain thing. He's like,
I would do this, I would do this. But you
(23:12):
know that's just me and a lot. Okay, cool. So
I just taken it added to my bang. But it's
amazing just to have a a bad guy like that.
You know, it's Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So yeah, that is funny. How what an advantage. Plus
Flacco's like made his money, got a ring, married kids
like a I mean, Flacco last year was a great story.
He'd he was so loose you had playing with nothing
to lose. Yeah, so that's that's your classic sort of
Alex Smith Joe Flacco. You're getting a real grown up
(23:41):
in the room. Good guy wants to be like he
can play nothing to lose, can play, but good guy
in the film.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
I'm wondering how Flacco sold that to the family. Hey, guys,
I was retired. We lived in Baltimore forever. I did
Cleveland last year. I'm gonna I'm gonna live in Indy
and play football for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This season. Oh, it depends on how old your kids are.
But like your family doesn't always have to. I mean,
like if the kids were in school, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You're not gonna pull them out to move to Indy
for a year.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I mean, I think professional athletes sell it to
their family that look at the life this helps create.
I mean, it's a pretty cool life to be a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
In the NFL.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
He's probably got enough that he might own his own
private jet. Remember he was getting paid back in the day.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Joe Flahol's done well, yeah, very well.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Maybe who knows, maybe things will go well for him
in India. Let's stay in the division to go to Houston.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Texans man their roster Colin you you start comparing rosters,
Texans are right there near the top.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
They are led, of course by c. J. Stroud, who
had a great rookie year.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
The biggest move they had was adding Stefan Diggs to
what was a young wide receiver room. Something Damko Ryan's
believe will cause. Defense is a lot of problems.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I want to put.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Defenses in bonds.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
I think with those three guys it allows us to
do that because they are so different and they can
all do different things, but at the end of the day,
they are all explosive finishers with the football, all right,
and that's what makes those guys great players. They can
win on third down and they can finish and get
in the ends on and that's what we look for
at all Steel positions on offense. So having three receivers there,
(25:13):
it definitely opens up the playbook for us, and it
puts a lot of stress on the defense.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, they're good. That division is no joke now, and
you've got if Anthony Richardson the state's healthy, Trevor Lawrence,
c J. Stroud, It's amazing. C J. Stroud Like, now
you look at that division and you're like, the only
question now, can Will Levis play? And Will Levis's receiving
corps is stellar. It's good, and they have an offensive coach.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Texans have the first of all, they got Joe Mixon,
I don't know you remember him in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Good, Damian Pierce, who's a young kid.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Good. So like they're gonna they're gonna say, hey, listen,
if you're gonna just play back, we'll take the run.
But Diggs Collins, Tank, Dell, Robert Woods, who's a solid
possession receiver. Noah Brown showed well, John Metschi, the young
guy from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, there's no they got there.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
They got some dudes.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm really interested to watch Anthony Richardson because I think
Shane Steikens, I mean, Anthony had thirteen college starts. So
the kid comes in, he's so raw, and I think
both of us, you and I both watched him and thought,
but he's way better than I thought. But he was
the best athlete on the field in the games he played.
He was the best athlete.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
But that's the keyword athlete.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, he was the best quarterback. But I think, I mean,
he's just some guys are I mean, he got rid
of that bulk. I was actually shocked with thirteen college
starts to go into Shane steiken system. I thought he
was pretty good playing, kind of shocking.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I remember somebody who went down to Gainesville to try
to recruit him, you know, to be their agent, and
ultimately they were like, yeah, and he probably should stay
another year.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And that was a consensus from a lot of people.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Richardson could use another year, sure, And then he goes out.
He's an early draft pick and he's dynamic as hell.
He's just one of those athletic guys who could just
slide right in.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
If he starts to get the quarterback stuff down.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Footwork and toys and going through the rotation progressions, this
guy could be He could be a top ten quarterback
in the league sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, I think it's I think he's really There are
certain people. Certain athletes jump off the television like Ant
even last year, just jumps off the tv. Anthony Richardson
is different.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Final story is Victor weban Yama had an amazing rookie year.
Obviously Rookie the Year, finished second and Defensive Player of
the Year voting. Damian Lillard, however, sees even bigger things
for Wemby. Damian Lillard told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I
think by next season people are going to be talking
about weban Yama.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
As the best player in the league in his second year.
Is that even possible? Could he pass Luca?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
He's just so unique, He's so long. I mean, like
he he you know in football they call it like
closing speed when you get burned as a corner, Like
he's got closing like you can fool him off the
dribble and it just he'll just catch up to you
and block the shop. And I'm talking six nine, six
ten guys. He's he is just it's just all different.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I see another name I've seen link to them is
Darius Garland from the Cabs.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
He's good, good player.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He ends up.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Now, anybody who next ends up next to Weeman Yama's
gonna be good.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Donovan Mitchell, Paul Pierce, whoever it is, Jonte Murray, Jontay Murray,
Like they're like, I just wonder if he's already so
good that people are like, I want to go play
with that guy, you know how, Like Lebron's like, hey,
come to Miami, come to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
People people follow.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Is Webbin Yama gonna be Does he have that gravitational?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
At any one time in my life, there's been about
four players that controlled the NBA. You can go to
any era. It was sort of like Magic and Bird
in Isaiah for a while, and then it was sort
of like Michael Jordan, you know, and and Barkley was
controlling the West in Phoenix. There's always about there's always
about four guys that kind of feel like they control
(29:02):
the league. I think Jokic Wemby, Luca Luca are the
three absolutes.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Three Europeans.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, I mean, but I think if you're asking me
for the next ten years, I would say my guess
is Wemby, Jokich, Luca will control the league, Yannis will
be close. Tatum is part of a collective. But that's
what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I can't argue.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
A lot of people want to push back SGA, what
about any.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Jay's gonna score a bunch of points. But there is
a size dimension. I mean, Luca's literally, you know, he's
he's the imp. He's like magic is a guard you
just can't just too big, too thick, yea, you know,
he controls the usage, the tempo.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
It's just Lebron. It took him longer than a year
to be the best player in the league. It took
like three or four when he went to the finals,
is like a twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Look, Lebron wasn't seven to four like a.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
The sec five. Let's not sure change it again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, there are just dynamics here at work. Just on
sheer size, you can just do things. I mean, if
he could average five and a half locks a game,
that's insane. And by the way, that's just the blocks.
What about altering shots?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
J Mack with the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Logan Ryan nick Wright and remembering Bill Walton on our
show today. Good stuff. So tonight, the Dallas Mavericks look
to close out and face the Boston Celtics. My hunches,
they do close out. I think it's hard, hard to
(30:44):
overcome three love and hard maybe harder to overcome it emotionally.
MAVs win tonight.
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