May 28, 2024 • 40 mins
The Celtics may have the best record in the NBA but they continue to show why they might not be the best team in the league
Tom Brady will not only make an amazing broadcaster but his ability to always stay competitive will elevate his personality
Bill Walton wouldn’t be accepted in this day of age with his strong opinions and hippie lifestyle. Plus, Nick Wright stops by to break down the upcoming NBA Finals
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh here we go. One team already in waiting for
the Mavericks to arrive in the finals, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Nick right one hour, jamac I took a bold, dynamic
stance this playoffs year, taking Boston to get to the finals.
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You took an equally aggressive stance on the Dallas Mavericks
getting to the finals. I think we're both going to
be right. But I was thinking about something we talked
about this year yesterday, and for all those who watched
on Memorial Day, I hope you had a great weekend
of reflection, spent time with your family, but I want
you to think about this. Jmax. So, the Celtics, as predicted,
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rolled through the East twelve and two, a lot of blowouts.
They were forty one and eleven against the East. The
East Coast, where I spent most of Memorial Day weekend,
has great bagels, not a lot of great NBA teams.
Is Boston won. I'm not sure I thought about this
last night. What the Celtics are are a perfect reflection
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of what basketball is in the NBA in twenty twenty four.
They are offensively gifted, and the league's never been more
offensively gifted. Six guys on this team could drop twenty
points in the finals. You wouldn't be surprised. They're rich.
Derek whitez their number three or four starter. He'll make
eighteen million this year. They're mobile, Drew Holliday, poor zinga,
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Derek White not drafted by the Celtics. They're cohesive team
above everything else. That's very much a mantra international and
domestic basketball. And they're a little soft. They're about a
five hundred team at home in the playoffs the last
three to four years. And they are very very good
and very skilled, but they're not great. And I don't
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know how to make the Celtics go from very good
to great. And that's where it's interesting. Jason Tatum's their
best player, but offensively he mostly floats off ball. He
does not take the game over. He is not Luca.
His personality is not Alpha. His usage rate is not
that high. It was below Cam Thomas this year. Jaren Jackson,
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and he's the best player, probably on the best team.
It's a different world we live in. If you watch
the Celtics play on five different possessions, they could have
five different Celtic players score. It would look fantastic. It's
almost too collaborative. What do I mean Because in my
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entire life in the NFL, even in pitching in the
big leagues, in the NBA, there's a Verlander, a Brady,
a Lebron, a Steph and MJ a Kobe and Dallas
has one. It's called Luca. Get me the ball, I'll
get the out, I'll make the pass, I'll get the bucket.
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And that's not what Boston is. They're really smart, and
they're really collaborative, and they like to get Derek White involved.
And the ball moves beautifully. It's esthetically pleasing, but it's
not old school. And in my life, Mahomes can play poorly.
Fourth quarter. Give me the ball, I'll run for it.
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That's what I've seen Steph Curry, a KD, A Lebron,
An MJ A Kobe. But the Celtics very much are
twenty twenty four basketball, and that maybe is how basketball
turns out over time, collaborative over alpha, sharing, over the individual.
Tatum may have idolized Kobe Bryant, but their basketball ideology
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is very different. Tatum sometimes floats, gives the ball up,
views others, and still ends up with twenty nine points,
seven rebounds, a couple of blocks. He's a tremendous athlete,
but his ball use is dreat far below Luca. Luca's
old school. I always have this feeling in the off season.
He gets on that Gulf stream, lights up a smoke,
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big couple of beers. He's on his way to not
working out for two months. That's old school, and so
is his game. So the Celtics in the MAVs is
a classic matchup of old versus new, and the old
historically creates dynasties, does collaboration with a star that sometimes
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is just part of the offense, not the offense late
in games. So I thought it was fitting as they
swept the Pacers that Jalen Brown their number two player
on most nights, ended up being the MVP of this series.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think I'm one of the best two way wings guards,
whatever you want to say in this game. You know,
I thought this year, I've taken a level and I've
increased it. I took the matchup, I picked up guys
full quarter, I chased guys off screens. I battled with
bigs and you know, I feel like I should have
been all defensive. But you know, as time is gone
by and I got to this point, like I just
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I stopped caring and I just embrace. I don't care
who sees what, as long as my team knows my value,
my city knows my value, my family. That's all I
really care about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's sort of like we hear about that bring the
dog to work, the googlization of work, collaborative fridays off,
everybody gets along. In a perfect world, that's the way
it would be. We would all have balance, we'd like work,
but family took precedence fifty hour work weeks. Let's not
do any of that. The Celtics are new and collaborative,
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and there's chemistry and they share and there's a different
score every possession. I think it can win a title,
but I don't know if it can against Luca. And
I don't know if that very good will become great.
We'll see. So I was took a few days off
last week, headed back out east in New England, Patriots
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Territory in Rhode Island, and I put my Patriots hat
on and I go walk walking on the beach, ride
the e bike, you know, one of the peeps. And
I get asked this a lot, a lot more than
I thought I would be asked, how do you think
Tom Brady's going to do as a broadcaster? And Brady
was on our show yesterday and I say, I always
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have the same opinion. If people have a couple of minutes,
I'll share it with him and I'll say, well, the
traits and the habits that created the quarterback will probably
create the same broadcaster. I'll give you an example. I
thought Tony Romo was always underrated as a quarterback. He
got a lot of criticism. I thought he was very good,
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but he was loose. It was often instinct. It felt
like over details and prep. It was gut feeling, sort
of like George Bush as a president, right, kind of
going with his gut. You wish he would be more
into the prep for the details, and I actually like Bush,
but I always felt Tony Romo as a player was flashy,
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really gifted, underrated, really talented, a bit of an ad
lib feelings over facts, And as a broadcaster I feel
the same way. He's a risk taker, calls out plays,
sometimes makes weird sounds. I'm not sure which direction he's going,
but by the end of it it's usually wildly entertaining.
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And then there's Tom Brady, who as a player was
meticulous and thorough, a people pleaser and detail and that's
what I think you'll get as a broadcaster. Brady will
be the opposite of Tony Romo, and you can pick
your favorite. They'll both make a lot of money, they'll
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both be very good, but they will be opposites as broadcasters.
I talked about Tom's competitive nature as he heads into
the booth at Fox.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I think, if I want to put effort into something,
then naturally i'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster, I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me, It's about did I put
everything I could into it? And did I give the
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fan everything that they tuned in for? And that's really
how end up gauging myself. And I'll have to look
at myself at the end of every Sunday night going
did I do a good enough job? Did I live
up to the belief that Fox had in me? Did
I live up to the expectations of my teammates Kevin,
Burkhard and Aaron and Tom and an entire team. That's
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ultimately how I judge myself in that.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
New role, just like he was as a quarterback, a
people pleaser, didn't have dinner with Belichick for twenty years,
but always at some levels sought his approval. John Madden
coached or taught a class on football at cal Poly,
and fittingly, John Madden, the greatest analyst ever who worked
at this network, among others, was a teacher on the air,
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the telestrator. He was trying to teach you football in
a very relatable way. John Gruden intense passionate as a
coach and as a TV analyst. I think Brady will
be exactly what he was as a quarterback, really into
the details. I asked him, and this was so Brady
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the answer. Did you pay attention to the league when
you were playing beyond the Patriots?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I tried to pay attention and follow every team every week.
It's that was our job. That was to understand the
whole league the perspective, every game counts, those games meant
whatever games, they meant a lot to the division standings. Ultimately,
because our team was very competitive, the conference standings were
very important. You didn't look too much beyond that, and
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we never talked about the playoffs and so forth. But
I knew what every division opponent was doing every week.
Where there were upsets, where there were injuries, those were
all very important to the success of our team.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Of course, Tom Brady knew what everybody else in the
league was doing as a quarterback and as a broadcaster.
I think that's what he'll deliver. Walton passed away yesterday.
We talked about it briefly during our show. I grew
up in the Pacific Northwest, so right equidistant between Seattle
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and Portland. But because I was in Washington State, I
got the Sonic games, but I occasionally listened, but not
more than occasionally listen to the Blazer games on radio
because I preferred their radio announcer, Bill Shanley. So it
was a different era in a time, And I want
to talk about Bill Walton coming up and how he
would be accepted today. Ohays basketball would be just fine.
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That's coming up.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
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Speaker 1 (11:43):
The Great Bill Walton, broadcaster, College Venom NBA All Star
passed away yesterday, seventy one years old. Two things about
his game I feel very strongly about. If he remained healthy,
he would be on a short list of the second
greatest center of all time to Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He
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would not have been that score, but Shack was all power,
a Keem was mostly footwork. Wilt was flashy but unfocused.
Russell was dominant defensively but limited offensively. Walton had a
dexterity that was hard to match. He was layered. He
was Jokich fifty years ago. The second thing I feel
strongly about his game today would have aged beautifully again
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seventy four seventy five he was often viewed and seen
more regularly in college at National Power UCLA were two
years he went thirty to zero, then he would be
in Portland because when he broke into the NBA, I
began watching the NBA. In the Walton days in the
Pacific Northwest, you'd get college games as often as NBA games,
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even the finals were on tape delay. What I find
fascinating about Bill Walton is not just his game, which
again I think would have aged beautifully. That he was
almost unique and mythological as a player. There was nothing
like him or his personality. And as I watched people
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yesterday honor and celebrate him, and I realize, and I
think most sports fans do who got a glimpse of
Bill even on YouTube highlights, that he was years and
generations and decades before his time. I wonder if he
entered the NBA now, would he be honored and celebrated
to this level. We live in a country now where
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people are more tribal than ever, and Bill Walton was
the absolute opposite of stick to sports, I mean, the
polar opposite. Would you accept somebody who was gifted but
may have thought much differently about politics in the world
than you do. When Walton broke into the NBA, he
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was seen as unique, funny, quirky, odd and incredibly gifted.
His best friend was Nature. Second best was John Wooden.
He was like Bigfoot with a hook. You didn't see
him very frequently. I first got introduced to him in
the Northwest. You'd see him against the Sixers and Doctor
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j But we put our arms around the big fella.
Would we do it today, I'm afraid we wouldn't. The
world we live in doesn't have room for opinions that
many people don't agree with. And what Bill believed in.
He was anti Vietnam War, and he was on the
right side of that. For the record, war we probably
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should have never been in. But Bill had strong opinions
and he really wasn't concern how they landed. For you, Oh,
he could be a great teammate. When he went to UCLA,
he was a hippie with long hair. John Wooden said,
you need to get a haircut. He said, I'm not
going to John Wooden said, we'll mish a big fea.
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Bill got on his bicycle, wandered cross campus and got
it cut. But sometimes I wonder the people we honor
if they were around today and breaking into sports, would
we accept them as much as we honor them today.
Bill was very unique and very different. Cool stuff to celebrate.
I wish we did it today more often. J Mack
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with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Let's go to the Timberwolves who are down three nothing
to the Mavericks, trying to make history. We know that
no team has ever come back Colin from down three
to win a series. After the Celtics last night, it's
now one hundred and fifty five and oh Anthony Edwards though,
listen man, he is not giving up. According to The Athletic,
following Game three, Aunt told his teammates in the locker room,
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time to make history.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Fellas, I still don't feel like they can beat us.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They love the confidence Anthony Edward.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
To buy it. For the record, let's not frame this
as he's been terrible. He was sensational against Phoenix, he
was very good in the previous two series, and he's
still averaging twenty three to twenty four. He has not
shot the ball well. In fairness, Dallas is a much
better defensive team than they're given credit for. In fact,
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the t Wolves are reviewed as the better defensive team,
and I would argue on ball Dallas is better. So
this idea that Ant's not quite ready to seize control
of this series or the league, but this idea that
his energy, let's be honest about it, their defensive player
of the year gets targeted. Karl Anthony Towns is emotionally
and physically all over the map. He is their energy.
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Conley's been banged up, so the framing on this this
has not been successful, but he is their most talented player,
their most consistent player, I mean defensive player of the year.
Rudy Gobert has been a miss in this series, like
he's been a miss so Aunt hasn't delivered, but he's
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been better than people say. And my guess is tonight
he'll give you a twenty eight twenty eight point game
and they'll lose by four.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm not beating up a twenty two year old, obviously,
but he has not had a great series. Con he
settled for threes early in the series, didn't want to
drive because the lively he was afraid of the rookie.
And then he has a really good game aggressive in
Game three, but then he like no showed in the
fourth quarter, like that's been a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Now, for the record, lots of great players have bad
fourth quarters. Lebron's first six years in the league. Remember
his reputation, which I thought was false. But Lebron until
he went to Miami, was like, can't trust him in
the four? Now go well, it sounds ridiculous. But this
kid's twenty two. So my takeaway is is he energetic?
Is he dynamic? Is he a great kid? He probably
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shouldn't talk too much about wanting to guard Kyrie, but
I love that part. I love his trash talk. I
think it's very old school and I love that about him. Well,
it's funny.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Jason Tatum had a rough finals against the Warriors. I
think he was twenty three, and people crushed him for it.
And now it's Anthony Edwards stinking up the joint in
the Western Conference five. Wow, he's only twenty two. We
pick and choose who we want to beat up. People
wanted to beat up Lebron as soon as he went
to Miami. He folding that finals against Dallas. Yeah, people
have never let that go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, Lebron was called the chosen One and the King
and the Lebron held himself to a different standard. Lebron
was older. We knew Lebron, we knew his story. There
was the decision. AM's twenty two out of Georgia. Nobody
watched them in college.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
He's there first.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Time anybody's paid attention to him outside of the Twin Cities.
I mean serious, it's the first time we really paid attention.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I called him the best in game dunker in NBA
history on this show like four months ago, and people
lost their minds, Oh, you're crazy, he's I mean now
everybody's like he's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Like, let's slow down in the best in game dunker.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
No, No, that factual, Like, y'all, I will argue that
to the death. I mean, Anthony Everards, good Buck and
I don't know if the MAVs pull off the swoop
because the Celtics last night, we thought they would win
and it was like they're down. When Pacers had ninety
four percent win probability was.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Like Pacers throwing in a lot of hot garbage. It
was at the end of the game. Finally, Boston, which
wasn't that defensively engaged in this series. Boston's always pretty
good offensively out of five games, they'll be good offensively.
They have so many skilled guys that can al. Horford
could drop twenty, you wouldn't be surprised. Derek White is
a two on most teams all NBA defense, He's like
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a four. If Porzingis is bad, I like, so it's like,
I think Boston kind of not that they slept walk
to twelve and two in the playoffs, but I didn't
think defensively they were as good as they will be
against Dallas. But I I it's hard to gauge how
good Boston is because the East is bad. There's nothing
to say. It's just not very good.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So MAVs get one game, do they get two?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
No, no, no, no they steal three?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, it's a seven game series.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is a no.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
No, I'm sorry, MAV's Wolves. I'm saying it's not over here.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, it's so you're saying it's over it's Minnesota is
just two inconsistent and limited offensively. You're not beating Dallas
with their defense Luka and Kyrie unless you get really
good offensive possessions on a consistent level. That's why Boston
matches up with Dallas. They give you really good offensive possessions.
It doesn't matter if Tatum's cold move on to Derek White.
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Poor zingis back now. If Porzingis isn't back, the Mavericks
will pick and roll the Celtics to death. But I
think he will be I think it's gonna be a
great series. I think it's gonna be the best final
since that. I thought the Warrior Celtics Final had a
lot of old guys, new kids on the block. I
think this is gonna be unbelievable. Yeah, I'm with you,
all Timer, al Timer, Yeah, seven gamer. We'll have a
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week to discuss it.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Next up is the NFL. The Baltimore Ravens open the
season within AFC Championship game rematch against the Chiefs. Ravens
lost that one seventeen to ten. Lamar Jackson was the
game plan was not great, so we're not going to
crush Jackson.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
He was asked about.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Playing them again in week one, and the Raiding MVP said,
the game doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I already don't care who we flee. You know, everything
didn't matter. You know, at the end of the day,
our goal is to make it to the super Bowl.
We lost to them in the playoffs, just us beating
them in the regular season, and Rendy don't do anything,
you know, it just helps us, you know, just keep
stacking up with to hopefully make it to the playoffs,
if anything, and try to get in that same position
again and hopefully, you know, be successful. But it really
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doesn't matter who we flea for his game. Obviously there's
the chief, but already didn't care.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They're gonna be fine. You've sold all your stock in
Baltimore in Buffalo, I have gobbled all of it up.
I can't That's my version of bitcoin. When there's open coins,
I just gobble it up. Baltimore Buffalo. I'll buy more
of their stock that you're selling you a Buffalo I want.
I think Baltimore is arguably the best run, uh operation
in football. I think the Ravens are consistently excellent top
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to bottom, and I think Josh Allen's insane and Buffalo's
going nowhere and McDermott's more than capable.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Good g you're giving out stock picks like Jim Kramer,
which he's a totally disaster. Let's get let's go quickly,
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know it's it's uh what it.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
May other than playoff performances other than playoff Well, he
does play in conference with the greatest quarterback on the planet.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, he's awesome. In Week ten, Oh my gosh, Lamar
just dominate it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Let's be fair. That does matter.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, sure, okay, he just said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He just Lamar just said.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It doesn't matter what happens in week one.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I don't know all you you.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And I'm not I'm not coming after you. You love
to say. What does Dak do in the playoffs. He's
two and five. Lamar's two and four, and the numbers
are ugly. The stats are ugly for the postseason.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Here's the difference. Lamar finally got a receiving core, but
despite that has been an MVP in the tougher conference.
Is incredibly productive, feet and arm. Dak has to have
protection a run game, and the stats tell you if
he doesn't get run support, he has a losing record.
Lamar beats everybody, not name Mahomes, Lamar, Jackson beat it.
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It's like, honestly, Phil Micholson beat everybody. He just wasn't Tiger.
It's like the Houston Rockets and a Keeam. Nobody talks
about him if Michael Jordan doesn't take a couple of
years off for baseball, like there are these moments when
you're a really there. But Less Miles won a lot
of games at LSU. He just happened to be around
when Nick Saban was and you get run out. So
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my takeaway is Lamar Jackson beats everybody except Patrick Mahomes.
I think he's great. I think now didn't love the
game plan in the playoff game, but I think he's great.
He went seventy seven percent of your games with Lamar.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I'm in small sample size, but through six playoff games,
Lamar is completing fifty seven percent of his past So
we love to blame the receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
We love to blame the game plan. Lamar.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I like him. He was the hemvv of the league.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Tough to argue that you like you're gritty because you
know I'm set up to like play the other side
of the court, like.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Lawyer. So my parents thought I was going to be
a lawyer. And you couldn't pass the bar. That's why
you're here to law school. While you're not wearing a robe,
you're talking. I wish I was in a road break.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Listen, you it's undeniable. Colin Lamar Jackson's playoff failures have
been quite ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Let's be real. It's okay to say that. It's yeah,
and that's okay, but I'll give you this, it's we
tend to look at sports just through the purview of championships.
Dan Marino didn't get one. How would Dan Marino be
viewed today? Aaron Rodgers has won, and all those years
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of good old lines, good teams, offensive coaches week Division one,
Aaron's had one big playoff run right one and a half,
so losing it home to Garoppolo and Jared Goff and
old Tom Brady. And so I don't I try not
to look at athletes now. I do think like Eli
Manning's a Hall of Famer because of his Super Bowls,
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but I've watched a lot of great players. Dan Fouts
and Philip Rivers for the Chargers feel like Hall of
Fame level players. Neither has a title. Fouts, in my opinion,
was better, but I think watching players, there's an argument
that Lamar Jackson last year just moved into his prime
and will be in his prime for about five to
six more years. So as you Mahomes is rare that
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he got super bowls pre prime. Brady got him pre prime.
So Lamar doesn't have a super Bowl. But I'd argue
last year as the first of six to seven years
of he's really going to be in his prime and
I think he'll get one.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So play again.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I'm not saying super Bowl or bust. I'm not one
of those guys. I want to see you perform in
the playoffs, nobody. It's impossible to win the championship every year.
Just for fun, you want to guess Patrick Mahomes's playoff record,
Well again.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He's no, it's just guess. Take a guest counting super bowls. No,
his playoff records a playoff and super Bowls. Yes, I
just this is off the top of my head. Twelve
and four.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
He's fifteen and three in the playoffs, fifteen and three,
lost to couple.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Mark Jackson's two and four. Yeah, but I could argue this,
Mahomes can't beat Brady, owing to what can't beat Brady?
Is he going to? Well, he lost a super Bowl
and then he got he lost that overtime, So it's
funny Mahomes loser against Brady always. Lamar Jackson, what is
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Lamar Jackson in the playoffs against Mahomes. I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Listen, this is it's tough to win in the playoffs.
Russell Wilson nine and seven, Aaron Rodgers only eleven and ten.
I'm not asking for Super Bowls from Lamar. I'm just
asking for some wins in the post.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Exactly what to ask for.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We're on the opposite side. Go ahead. All I'll say
is you keep your job. You keep continuity when you
win seventy five percent of your games in a brutal division,
in the toughest gus.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't want to hear you put him in the
top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh, he is absolutely in the top five. Absolutely. Now
I think Justin, Herbert, Stafford, and Lamar are all going
to be in that four or five spot this year.
I absolutely think Lamar top five. I've gotten into this
argument with people is that it's almost like it's almost
like saying, let's say you're married and you had a
great wife, great marriage, you had great kids, you had
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a really good career, but you never got the CEO
job that you always try. He became vice president and
what I say, oh, a failure because so many other
aspects were great in your life. That's an amazing life.
Lamar is a great teammate, one of the best quarterbacks
in the world, a winning quarterback, a playoff quarterback, part
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of the best organization arguibling in the league. Am I
supposed to punish him severely if he can't get through
Mahomes and Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I know, I don't think anybody thinks that.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, the last ten minutes have been a diatribed anti
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
No, see, that's the problem. It's not anti. I'm just saying,
where are the playoff victories?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
They're hard to get in that comments, extremely hard to get.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Now you painted me into a quarter I look like
I don't like the guy. Final story is Sae Quad Barkley.
In his first OTAs with the Eagles after leaving the Giants,
Qua spoke to reporters about how joining Jalen hurts and
the team's high powered offense.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He stoked, it was fun.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
It's like a fresh start for like a rookie again. Uh,
you know, getting to know everybody here, learning the culture
of binding to the culture, and like you said, feel
like it's home. Finally got into a spot and you know,
I've just been loving it. The biggest thing you know
that struck me as our first seven and seven huddle.
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You see a J Brown, DeVante Smith and Dallas Godder
and Jalen Hurts. It's not a it's not a bad
group to be out there with. That's not even including
off some linement. But yeah, you know, we're all just
coming and buying in. Try and learn to playbook, try
to learn system, and try to get better.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Instead for the record, the NFC felt it was there
for the taking the last couple of years. I don't
think it's there for the taking. I think Philly rams
Sandridge's back, Uh, Detroit, Well, I think Barkley is I
think Barkley listen, I think Philadelphia added a star running back.
On any given Sunday, Barkley is the best running back
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in the league outside of Christian McCaffrey. I think he's great.
Remember people forget this prisolt, Sorry that Kyle Shanahan's record
in San Francisco's under five hundred without Christian McCaffrey. That's
how much running backs matter. So these cries, these hues
for the impoverished running backs, they still matter. The great
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running backs still matter. The great safeties Kyle Hamilton at
Baltimore still maddle matter. The great guards still matter. So
I think Barkley is going to be a game changer
because I don't think Nick Seriani has proven his ability
to nurture quarterbacks since Shane Steiken left. He's going to
have to depend on the coordinator. His reputation wasn't a
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quarterback whisperer like Shane Stikin or or Sean McVeigh, so
I don't think that's what he is. But I think
Jalen Hurts will bounce back, be more redeemable, maybe not MVP,
but solid, and Barkley will be a jet fuel offensive weapon.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Which has a bigger impact the loss of Jason Kelsey
their center, or the gain of Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So they're both, they'll both one hurts, one helps. So
so it's a lot. Oh you think that's like a wash?
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I think that Kelsey loss is massive. New offensive coordinator
news center. Basically, the Brotherly Shove play is out. I
don't think they canna even run it this year. Like,
I don't know, man, that's the biggest concern is losing
a center. We're the Randoms other shows they're not talking
about offensive line play man. We know in the trenches
that's where the money's made.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Maybe we shouldn't. I'm not sure if it's riveting, but
jmck with the.
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
How watched the Phillies yesterday? Phillies Giants locked into baseball?
J Mac, you may, you may want to give that
sport a try. It's coming around. So Philly's gonna in
the World Series, going to beat the Yankees and six
put it down right now. Okay. So I'm reading this
story this morning. It kind of cracked me up and
asked the question is the Lakers head coaching job attractive?
And one of the things the story said about the
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attractive nature of the Lakers job, you get a ton
of nationally televised games every year, the favorable whistles your
team gets. Oh really, the favorable whistle Okay, columnists now
saying the league is rigged. Okay. The Lakers head coaching
job is much like owning a boat. It's a glamour purchase.
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It feels exclusive, and you gloat about it for forty
eight hours. One year later, nothing but regrets and headaches.
The two best days of owning a boat and being
a Laker head coach are the day you get it
and the day you exit. Sorry, but it's true. It
does not pay top dollar. It no longer does. It
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is not a championship roster, and in it's current state,
you'll have to run the offense through a forty year
old forward. In college sports, the best jobs always have
a financial advantage or a geographical one. Ohio State, Georgia.
Those are rich college football programs Texas talent rich and
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financial rich. Same with UNC basketball. But in pro sports,
a job, a head coaching job, is as good as
the owner expectations, flexibility, and the roster. And the Lakers
have incredibly high expectations and an incredibly old, brittle roster
in key spots and not talented enough and others, and
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they don't have the draft picks to engineer massive trades
or have anybody outside of maybe Anthony Davis to get players.
And then they wouldn't be as good defensively in the
post because Ad should have been the defensive player of
the year, as we've stated multiple times, not Rudy Gobert.
If you look at the current list of Laker candidates
for the head coaching job, five have never been a
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head coach, one briefly hasn't had a losing record. I
would argue the Lakers in their current state, it is
a bad job, and I think NBA and NHL jobs
are basically bounced around the league positions. JB. Bickerstaff was
fired recently by Cleveland. He was the sixth longest tenured
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coach and he'd been around about four years. So I
do not consider it a great job. I think you
could argue expectations lack of salary. Offense has to run
through Lebron at forty. It's a bad one. So Nick Wright,
who you know, speaking of Gloat, likes to talk about
his Chiefs. He can be a bit much. Now that
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Kansas City runs the league. Tom Brady was on yesterday
talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, and I do think
it's fair to say I do not think they'll three peat.
It's never happened in the league. I was surprised they
got the rep and I think last year and this
has to matter for something, they got a series of breaks.
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First of all, the quarterback that had given them the
most trouble, Joe Burrow, got hurt. Second of all, their
division was really down. The Raiders were a mess. Russell
Wilson in Denver. Herbert had the wrong coach, so they
were able as they were trying to figure out what
they were offensively for almost the entirety of the season,
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didn't get really challenged in division. Then they got a
break in the playoff where it was the coldest playoff
game in Arrowhead Stadium history, and they got a team
from Miami. I'm sorry, I remember Dan Fouts playing in Cincinnati.
The Chargers I felt were better. The weather ate them up.
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And then in the Super Bowl, Dre Greenlaw gets hurt
coming off the bench, not even hit. That does not
mean and all that they went in overtime does not
mean Kansas City didn't deserve the Super Bowl. They certainly
earned it. But if you look at their schedule, the
first four games are tough. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins,
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Jim Harbaugh, Justin Herbert. They also have a very too
early buy. They plan on Wednesday, a Friday, a Saturday,
all sorts of times weird rhythm. At the end of
the year, there's the Rashi Rice mess at wide receiver,
Travis Kelcey's increasing injuries and age. Lugerius Snead was an
excellent corner he's no longer there. I think they'll be
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really good, but you have to remember the Joe Burrow injury.
The AFC South should be significantly better. You're probably not
going to get a Miami team in the coldest game
ever at Arrowhead. We hope their first round pick hits
at Ride receiver because Rashi Rice situations messy. Tom Brady
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talked about three peating in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I would played on an undefeated team. We were the
best team, I think, one of the best in the
history of football.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
In two thousand and seven, we go.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
To the Super Bowl. We play less than our best game.
The Giants play an awesome game and they end up
beating us. All these teams in the NFL are very competitive,
they're all well coached. The margin of there is raise
oursin So to win one Super Bowl is extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
To win two back to back.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
What the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why we haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to win one in a row.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So to put three.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Of those together in back to back to back seasons
with drafting last a very hard schedule. All the turnover
and free agency guys continuing to be motivated. It's a
big challenge.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
One of the things that I think you have to
acknowledge is that with Herbert not having the right quarterback
and Sean Payton trying to get the quarterback situation with
Russell Wilson Wright the Raiders being kind of the Raiders,
it was a pretty easy division as they were trying
to figure out what they were So you get home
games in the playoffs that I think will be significantly
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harder to come by. I think bow Nicks and Sean
Payton will be very, very capable, very early. I think Herbert,
I agree with Jason McIntyre and Jim Harbaugh, feel like
an eleven win team and will be incredibly physically challenging
for Kansas City. They got a handful of breaks, certainly earned, deserved, earned,
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I like earned better, but I do think along the
way last year there were a series of slight breaks.
I also think the NFC over the last two years
has been down. I think Philly's better, Detroit will be
capable of winning a Super Bowl, Green Bay is young,
getting better, Rams San Francis go all good. I'll say
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it again, how the Rams are valued as poorly as
they are when they literally check all the boxes is remarkable.
They had another fantastic draft, So I don't think it's
anti Chiefs to say there are championships. A great example
of this is Dallas. The Mavericks don't necessarily match up
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very well with Denver. They match up very well with Minnesota.
They got a break, so that there are times, I mean,
let's be honest, Indiana, the Knicks fall apart. That's a
break for the Celtics. A healthy Knicks team as a
huge underdog would have given Boston some uncomfortable moments. A
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young Indiana team that can't defend my cup of coffee
got swept. So there are matchup advantages and disadvantages, and
I just think that has to be considered.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So when you were gallivanting on the other side of
the country last week, I went off and said the
chief no shot out a three pop.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Their fans come after me.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, get this.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Colin Pro Football Focus just here today dropped their tackles
rankings for.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Twenty twenty four left tackle. They said the top thirty
two tackles.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Okay, you want to guess how many Kansas City has
in the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Two tackles none correct none.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Both Jets guys starting left, starting right are top eighteen.
I'm not saying the Jets are better because of that,
but I'm telling you tackle situation is real in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
If you guys can ignore it all you want. We
got behold, we got read.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
You don't have a tackle.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Like either side.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
That's a big issue right now for Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, they're Super Bowl drubbing to Tampa. They didn't have
tackles who were healthy. Hour two next
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Oh here we go. One team already in waiting for
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It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Nick right one hour, jamac I took a bold, dynamic
stance this playoffs year, taking Boston to get to the finals.
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You took an equally aggressive stance on the Dallas Mavericks
getting to the finals. I think we're both going to
be right. But I was thinking about something we talked
about this year yesterday, and for all those who watched
on Memorial Day, I hope you had a great weekend
of reflection, spent time with your family, but I want
you to think about this. Jmax. So, the Celtics, as predicted,
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rolled through the East twelve and two, a lot of blowouts.
They were forty one and eleven against the East. The
East Coast, where I spent most of Memorial Day weekend,
has great bagels, not a lot of great NBA teams.
Is Boston won. I'm not sure I thought about this
last night. What the Celtics are are a perfect reflection
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of what basketball is in the NBA in twenty twenty four.
They are offensively gifted, and the league's never been more
offensively gifted. Six guys on this team could drop twenty
points in the finals. You wouldn't be surprised. They're rich.
Derek whitez their number three or four starter. He'll make
eighteen million this year. They're mobile, Drew Holliday, poor zinga,
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Derek White not drafted by the Celtics. They're cohesive team
above everything else. That's very much a mantra international and
domestic basketball. And they're a little soft. They're about a
five hundred team at home in the playoffs the last
three to four years. And they are very very good
and very skilled, but they're not great. And I don't
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know how to make the Celtics go from very good
to great. And that's where it's interesting. Jason Tatum's their
best player, but offensively he mostly floats off ball. He
does not take the game over. He is not Luca.
His personality is not Alpha. His usage rate is not
that high. It was below Cam Thomas this year. Jaren Jackson,
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and he's the best player, probably on the best team.
It's a different world we live in. If you watch
the Celtics play on five different possessions, they could have
five different Celtic players score. It would look fantastic. It's
almost too collaborative. What do I mean Because in my
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entire life in the NFL, even in pitching in the
big leagues, in the NBA, there's a Verlander, a Brady,
a Lebron, a Steph and MJ a Kobe and Dallas
has one. It's called Luca. Get me the ball, I'll
get the out, I'll make the pass, I'll get the bucket.
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And that's not what Boston is. They're really smart, and
they're really collaborative, and they like to get Derek White involved.
And the ball moves beautifully. It's esthetically pleasing, but it's
not old school. And in my life, Mahomes can play poorly.
Fourth quarter. Give me the ball, I'll run for it.
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That's what I've seen Steph Curry, a KD, A Lebron,
An MJ A Kobe. But the Celtics very much are
twenty twenty four basketball, and that maybe is how basketball
turns out over time, collaborative over alpha, sharing, over the individual.
Tatum may have idolized Kobe Bryant, but their basketball ideology
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is very different. Tatum sometimes floats, gives the ball up,
views others, and still ends up with twenty nine points,
seven rebounds, a couple of blocks. He's a tremendous athlete,
but his ball use is dreat far below Luca. Luca's
old school. I always have this feeling in the off season.
He gets on that Gulf stream, lights up a smoke,
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big couple of beers. He's on his way to not
working out for two months. That's old school, and so
is his game. So the Celtics in the MAVs is
a classic matchup of old versus new, and the old
historically creates dynasties, does collaboration with a star that sometimes
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is just part of the offense, not the offense late
in games. So I thought it was fitting as they
swept the Pacers that Jalen Brown their number two player
on most nights, ended up being the MVP of this series.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think I'm one of the best two way wings guards,
whatever you want to say in this game. You know,
I thought this year, I've taken a level and I've
increased it. I took the matchup, I picked up guys
full quarter, I chased guys off screens. I battled with
bigs and you know, I feel like I should have
been all defensive. But you know, as time is gone
by and I got to this point, like I just
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I stopped caring and I just embrace. I don't care
who sees what, as long as my team knows my value,
my city knows my value, my family. That's all I
really care about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's sort of like we hear about that bring the
dog to work, the googlization of work, collaborative fridays off,
everybody gets along. In a perfect world, that's the way
it would be. We would all have balance, we'd like work,
but family took precedence fifty hour work weeks. Let's not
do any of that. The Celtics are new and collaborative,
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and there's chemistry and they share and there's a different
score every possession. I think it can win a title,
but I don't know if it can against Luca. And
I don't know if that very good will become great.
We'll see. So I was took a few days off
last week, headed back out east in New England, Patriots
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Territory in Rhode Island, and I put my Patriots hat
on and I go walk walking on the beach, ride
the e bike, you know, one of the peeps. And
I get asked this a lot, a lot more than
I thought I would be asked, how do you think
Tom Brady's going to do as a broadcaster? And Brady
was on our show yesterday and I say, I always
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have the same opinion. If people have a couple of minutes,
I'll share it with him and I'll say, well, the
traits and the habits that created the quarterback will probably
create the same broadcaster. I'll give you an example. I
thought Tony Romo was always underrated as a quarterback. He
got a lot of criticism. I thought he was very good,
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but he was loose. It was often instinct. It felt
like over details and prep. It was gut feeling, sort
of like George Bush as a president, right, kind of
going with his gut. You wish he would be more
into the prep for the details, and I actually like Bush,
but I always felt Tony Romo as a player was flashy,
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really gifted, underrated, really talented, a bit of an ad
lib feelings over facts, And as a broadcaster I feel
the same way. He's a risk taker, calls out plays,
sometimes makes weird sounds. I'm not sure which direction he's going,
but by the end of it it's usually wildly entertaining.
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And then there's Tom Brady, who as a player was
meticulous and thorough, a people pleaser and detail and that's
what I think you'll get as a broadcaster. Brady will
be the opposite of Tony Romo, and you can pick
your favorite. They'll both make a lot of money, they'll
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both be very good, but they will be opposites as broadcasters.
I talked about Tom's competitive nature as he heads into
the booth at Fox.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I think, if I want to put effort into something,
then naturally i'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster, I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me, It's about did I put
everything I could into it? And did I give the
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fan everything that they tuned in for? And that's really
how end up gauging myself. And I'll have to look
at myself at the end of every Sunday night going
did I do a good enough job? Did I live
up to the belief that Fox had in me? Did
I live up to the expectations of my teammates Kevin,
Burkhard and Aaron and Tom and an entire team. That's
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ultimately how I judge myself in that.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
New role, just like he was as a quarterback, a
people pleaser, didn't have dinner with Belichick for twenty years,
but always at some levels sought his approval. John Madden
coached or taught a class on football at cal Poly,
and fittingly, John Madden, the greatest analyst ever who worked
at this network, among others, was a teacher on the air,
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the telestrator. He was trying to teach you football in
a very relatable way. John Gruden intense passionate as a
coach and as a TV analyst. I think Brady will
be exactly what he was as a quarterback, really into
the details. I asked him, and this was so Brady
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the answer. Did you pay attention to the league when
you were playing beyond the Patriots?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I tried to pay attention and follow every team every week.
It's that was our job. That was to understand the
whole league the perspective, every game counts, those games meant
whatever games, they meant a lot to the division standings. Ultimately,
because our team was very competitive, the conference standings were
very important. You didn't look too much beyond that, and
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we never talked about the playoffs and so forth. But
I knew what every division opponent was doing every week.
Where there were upsets, where there were injuries, those were
all very important to the success of our team.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Of course, Tom Brady knew what everybody else in the
league was doing as a quarterback and as a broadcaster.
I think that's what he'll deliver. Walton passed away yesterday.
We talked about it briefly during our show. I grew
up in the Pacific Northwest, so right equidistant between Seattle
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and Portland. But because I was in Washington State, I
got the Sonic games, but I occasionally listened, but not
more than occasionally listen to the Blazer games on radio
because I preferred their radio announcer, Bill Shanley. So it
was a different era in a time, And I want
to talk about Bill Walton coming up and how he
would be accepted today. Ohays basketball would be just fine.
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That's coming up.
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The Great Bill Walton, broadcaster, College Venom NBA All Star
passed away yesterday, seventy one years old. Two things about
his game I feel very strongly about. If he remained healthy,
he would be on a short list of the second
greatest center of all time to Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He
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would not have been that score, but Shack was all power,
a Keem was mostly footwork. Wilt was flashy but unfocused.
Russell was dominant defensively but limited offensively. Walton had a
dexterity that was hard to match. He was layered. He
was Jokich fifty years ago. The second thing I feel
strongly about his game today would have aged beautifully again
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seventy four seventy five he was often viewed and seen
more regularly in college at National Power UCLA were two
years he went thirty to zero, then he would be
in Portland because when he broke into the NBA, I
began watching the NBA. In the Walton days in the
Pacific Northwest, you'd get college games as often as NBA games,
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even the finals were on tape delay. What I find
fascinating about Bill Walton is not just his game, which
again I think would have aged beautifully. That he was
almost unique and mythological as a player. There was nothing
like him or his personality. And as I watched people
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yesterday honor and celebrate him, and I realize, and I
think most sports fans do who got a glimpse of
Bill even on YouTube highlights, that he was years and
generations and decades before his time. I wonder if he
entered the NBA now, would he be honored and celebrated
to this level. We live in a country now where
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people are more tribal than ever, and Bill Walton was
the absolute opposite of stick to sports, I mean, the
polar opposite. Would you accept somebody who was gifted but
may have thought much differently about politics in the world
than you do. When Walton broke into the NBA, he
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was seen as unique, funny, quirky, odd and incredibly gifted.
His best friend was Nature. Second best was John Wooden.
He was like Bigfoot with a hook. You didn't see
him very frequently. I first got introduced to him in
the Northwest. You'd see him against the Sixers and Doctor
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j But we put our arms around the big fella.
Would we do it today, I'm afraid we wouldn't. The
world we live in doesn't have room for opinions that
many people don't agree with. And what Bill believed in.
He was anti Vietnam War, and he was on the
right side of that. For the record, war we probably
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should have never been in. But Bill had strong opinions
and he really wasn't concern how they landed. For you, Oh,
he could be a great teammate. When he went to UCLA,
he was a hippie with long hair. John Wooden said,
you need to get a haircut. He said, I'm not
going to John Wooden said, we'll mish a big fea.
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Bill got on his bicycle, wandered cross campus and got
it cut. But sometimes I wonder the people we honor
if they were around today and breaking into sports, would
we accept them as much as we honor them today.
Bill was very unique and very different. Cool stuff to celebrate.
I wish we did it today more often. J Mack
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
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Speaker 5 (15:30):
Let's go to the Timberwolves who are down three nothing
to the Mavericks, trying to make history. We know that
no team has ever come back Colin from down three
to win a series. After the Celtics last night, it's
now one hundred and fifty five and oh Anthony Edwards though,
listen man, he is not giving up. According to The Athletic,
following Game three, Aunt told his teammates in the locker room,
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time to make history.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Fellas, I still don't feel like they can beat us.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They love the confidence Anthony Edward.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
To buy it. For the record, let's not frame this
as he's been terrible. He was sensational against Phoenix, he
was very good in the previous two series, and he's
still averaging twenty three to twenty four. He has not
shot the ball well. In fairness, Dallas is a much
better defensive team than they're given credit for. In fact,
(16:23):
the t Wolves are reviewed as the better defensive team,
and I would argue on ball Dallas is better. So
this idea that Ant's not quite ready to seize control
of this series or the league, but this idea that
his energy, let's be honest about it, their defensive player
of the year gets targeted. Karl Anthony Towns is emotionally
and physically all over the map. He is their energy.
(16:46):
Conley's been banged up, so the framing on this this
has not been successful, but he is their most talented player,
their most consistent player, I mean defensive player of the year.
Rudy Gobert has been a miss in this series, like
he's been a miss so Aunt hasn't delivered, but he's
(17:07):
been better than people say. And my guess is tonight
he'll give you a twenty eight twenty eight point game
and they'll lose by four.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm not beating up a twenty two year old, obviously,
but he has not had a great series. Con he
settled for threes early in the series, didn't want to
drive because the lively he was afraid of the rookie.
And then he has a really good game aggressive in
Game three, but then he like no showed in the
fourth quarter, like that's been a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Now, for the record, lots of great players have bad
fourth quarters. Lebron's first six years in the league. Remember
his reputation, which I thought was false. But Lebron until
he went to Miami, was like, can't trust him in
the four? Now go well, it sounds ridiculous. But this
kid's twenty two. So my takeaway is is he energetic?
Is he dynamic? Is he a great kid? He probably
(17:56):
shouldn't talk too much about wanting to guard Kyrie, but
I love that part. I love his trash talk. I
think it's very old school and I love that about him. Well,
it's funny.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Jason Tatum had a rough finals against the Warriors. I
think he was twenty three, and people crushed him for it.
And now it's Anthony Edwards stinking up the joint in
the Western Conference five. Wow, he's only twenty two. We
pick and choose who we want to beat up. People
wanted to beat up Lebron as soon as he went
to Miami. He folding that finals against Dallas. Yeah, people
have never let that go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, Lebron was called the chosen One and the King
and the Lebron held himself to a different standard. Lebron
was older. We knew Lebron, we knew his story. There
was the decision. AM's twenty two out of Georgia. Nobody
watched them in college.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
He's there first.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Time anybody's paid attention to him outside of the Twin Cities.
I mean serious, it's the first time we really paid attention.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I called him the best in game dunker in NBA
history on this show like four months ago, and people
lost their minds, Oh, you're crazy, he's I mean now
everybody's like he's Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Like, let's slow down in the best in game dunker.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
No, No, that factual, Like, y'all, I will argue that
to the death. I mean, Anthony Everards, good Buck and
I don't know if the MAVs pull off the swoop
because the Celtics last night, we thought they would win
and it was like they're down. When Pacers had ninety
four percent win probability was.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Like Pacers throwing in a lot of hot garbage. It
was at the end of the game. Finally, Boston, which
wasn't that defensively engaged in this series. Boston's always pretty
good offensively out of five games, they'll be good offensively.
They have so many skilled guys that can al. Horford
could drop twenty, you wouldn't be surprised. Derek White is
a two on most teams all NBA defense, He's like
(19:32):
a four. If Porzingis is bad, I like, so it's like,
I think Boston kind of not that they slept walk
to twelve and two in the playoffs, but I didn't
think defensively they were as good as they will be
against Dallas. But I I it's hard to gauge how
good Boston is because the East is bad. There's nothing
to say. It's just not very good.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So MAVs get one game, do they get two?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
No, no, no, no they steal three?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, it's a seven game series.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is a no.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
No, I'm sorry, MAV's Wolves. I'm saying it's not over here.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, it's so you're saying it's over it's Minnesota is
just two inconsistent and limited offensively. You're not beating Dallas
with their defense Luka and Kyrie unless you get really
good offensive possessions on a consistent level. That's why Boston
matches up with Dallas. They give you really good offensive possessions.
It doesn't matter if Tatum's cold move on to Derek White.
(20:22):
Poor zingis back now. If Porzingis isn't back, the Mavericks
will pick and roll the Celtics to death. But I
think he will be I think it's gonna be a
great series. I think it's gonna be the best final
since that. I thought the Warrior Celtics Final had a
lot of old guys, new kids on the block. I
think this is gonna be unbelievable. Yeah, I'm with you,
all Timer, al Timer, Yeah, seven gamer. We'll have a
(20:44):
week to discuss it.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Next up is the NFL. The Baltimore Ravens open the
season within AFC Championship game rematch against the Chiefs. Ravens
lost that one seventeen to ten. Lamar Jackson was the
game plan was not great, so we're not going to
crush Jackson.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
He was asked about.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Playing them again in week one, and the Raiding MVP said,
the game doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I already don't care who we flee. You know, everything
didn't matter. You know, at the end of the day,
our goal is to make it to the super Bowl.
We lost to them in the playoffs, just us beating
them in the regular season, and Rendy don't do anything,
you know, it just helps us, you know, just keep
stacking up with to hopefully make it to the playoffs,
if anything, and try to get in that same position
again and hopefully, you know, be successful. But it really
(21:27):
doesn't matter who we flea for his game. Obviously there's
the chief, but already didn't care.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They're gonna be fine. You've sold all your stock in
Baltimore in Buffalo, I have gobbled all of it up.
I can't That's my version of bitcoin. When there's open coins,
I just gobble it up. Baltimore Buffalo. I'll buy more
of their stock that you're selling you a Buffalo I want.
I think Baltimore is arguably the best run, uh operation
in football. I think the Ravens are consistently excellent top
(21:54):
to bottom, and I think Josh Allen's insane and Buffalo's
going nowhere and McDermott's more than capable.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Good g you're giving out stock picks like Jim Kramer,
which he's a totally disaster. Let's get let's go quickly,
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know it's it's uh what it.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
May other than playoff performances other than playoff Well, he
does play in conference with the greatest quarterback on the planet.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, he's awesome. In Week ten, Oh my gosh, Lamar
just dominate it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Let's be fair. That does matter.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, sure, okay, he just said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He just Lamar just said.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It doesn't matter what happens in week one.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I don't know all you you.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And I'm not I'm not coming after you. You love
to say. What does Dak do in the playoffs. He's
two and five. Lamar's two and four, and the numbers
are ugly. The stats are ugly for the postseason.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Here's the difference. Lamar finally got a receiving core, but
despite that has been an MVP in the tougher conference.
Is incredibly productive, feet and arm. Dak has to have
protection a run game, and the stats tell you if
he doesn't get run support, he has a losing record.
Lamar beats everybody, not name Mahomes, Lamar, Jackson beat it.
(23:03):
It's like, honestly, Phil Micholson beat everybody. He just wasn't Tiger.
It's like the Houston Rockets and a Keeam. Nobody talks
about him if Michael Jordan doesn't take a couple of
years off for baseball, like there are these moments when
you're a really there. But Less Miles won a lot
of games at LSU. He just happened to be around
when Nick Saban was and you get run out. So
(23:23):
my takeaway is Lamar Jackson beats everybody except Patrick Mahomes.
I think he's great. I think now didn't love the
game plan in the playoff game, but I think he's great.
He went seventy seven percent of your games with Lamar.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I'm in small sample size, but through six playoff games,
Lamar is completing fifty seven percent of his past So
we love to blame the receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
We love to blame the game plan. Lamar.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I like him. He was the hemvv of the league.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Tough to argue that you like you're gritty because you
know I'm set up to like play the other side
of the court, like.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Lawyer. So my parents thought I was going to be
a lawyer. And you couldn't pass the bar. That's why
you're here to law school. While you're not wearing a robe,
you're talking. I wish I was in a road break.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Listen, you it's undeniable. Colin Lamar Jackson's playoff failures have
been quite ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Let's be real. It's okay to say that. It's yeah,
and that's okay, but I'll give you this, it's we
tend to look at sports just through the purview of championships.
Dan Marino didn't get one. How would Dan Marino be
viewed today? Aaron Rodgers has won, and all those years
(24:34):
of good old lines, good teams, offensive coaches week Division one,
Aaron's had one big playoff run right one and a half,
so losing it home to Garoppolo and Jared Goff and
old Tom Brady. And so I don't I try not
to look at athletes now. I do think like Eli
Manning's a Hall of Famer because of his Super Bowls,
(24:56):
but I've watched a lot of great players. Dan Fouts
and Philip Rivers for the Chargers feel like Hall of
Fame level players. Neither has a title. Fouts, in my opinion,
was better, but I think watching players, there's an argument
that Lamar Jackson last year just moved into his prime
and will be in his prime for about five to
six more years. So as you Mahomes is rare that
(25:19):
he got super bowls pre prime. Brady got him pre prime.
So Lamar doesn't have a super Bowl. But I'd argue
last year as the first of six to seven years
of he's really going to be in his prime and
I think he'll get one.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So play again.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I'm not saying super Bowl or bust. I'm not one
of those guys. I want to see you perform in
the playoffs, nobody. It's impossible to win the championship every year.
Just for fun, you want to guess Patrick Mahomes's playoff record,
Well again.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He's no, it's just guess. Take a guest counting super bowls. No,
his playoff records a playoff and super Bowls. Yes, I
just this is off the top of my head. Twelve
and four.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
He's fifteen and three in the playoffs, fifteen and three,
lost to couple.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Mark Jackson's two and four. Yeah, but I could argue this,
Mahomes can't beat Brady, owing to what can't beat Brady?
Is he going to? Well, he lost a super Bowl
and then he got he lost that overtime, So it's
funny Mahomes loser against Brady always. Lamar Jackson, what is
(26:20):
Lamar Jackson in the playoffs against Mahomes. I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Listen, this is it's tough to win in the playoffs.
Russell Wilson nine and seven, Aaron Rodgers only eleven and ten.
I'm not asking for Super Bowls from Lamar. I'm just
asking for some wins in the post.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Exactly what to ask for.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We're on the opposite side. Go ahead. All I'll say
is you keep your job. You keep continuity when you
win seventy five percent of your games in a brutal division,
in the toughest gus.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't want to hear you put him in the
top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh, he is absolutely in the top five. Absolutely. Now
I think Justin, Herbert, Stafford, and Lamar are all going
to be in that four or five spot this year.
I absolutely think Lamar top five. I've gotten into this
argument with people is that it's almost like it's almost
like saying, let's say you're married and you had a
great wife, great marriage, you had great kids, you had
(27:13):
a really good career, but you never got the CEO
job that you always try. He became vice president and
what I say, oh, a failure because so many other
aspects were great in your life. That's an amazing life.
Lamar is a great teammate, one of the best quarterbacks
in the world, a winning quarterback, a playoff quarterback, part
(27:35):
of the best organization arguibling in the league. Am I
supposed to punish him severely if he can't get through
Mahomes and Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I know, I don't think anybody thinks that.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, the last ten minutes have been a diatribed anti
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
No, see, that's the problem. It's not anti. I'm just saying,
where are the playoff victories?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
They're hard to get in that comments, extremely hard to get.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Now you painted me into a quarter I look like
I don't like the guy. Final story is Sae Quad Barkley.
In his first OTAs with the Eagles after leaving the Giants,
Qua spoke to reporters about how joining Jalen hurts and
the team's high powered offense.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He stoked, it was fun.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
It's like a fresh start for like a rookie again. Uh,
you know, getting to know everybody here, learning the culture
of binding to the culture, and like you said, feel
like it's home. Finally got into a spot and you know,
I've just been loving it. The biggest thing you know
that struck me as our first seven and seven huddle.
(28:39):
You see a J Brown, DeVante Smith and Dallas Godder
and Jalen Hurts. It's not a it's not a bad
group to be out there with. That's not even including
off some linement. But yeah, you know, we're all just
coming and buying in. Try and learn to playbook, try
to learn system, and try to get better.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Instead for the record, the NFC felt it was there
for the taking the last couple of years. I don't
think it's there for the taking. I think Philly rams
Sandridge's back, Uh, Detroit, Well, I think Barkley is I
think Barkley listen, I think Philadelphia added a star running back.
On any given Sunday, Barkley is the best running back
(29:16):
in the league outside of Christian McCaffrey. I think he's great.
Remember people forget this prisolt, Sorry that Kyle Shanahan's record
in San Francisco's under five hundred without Christian McCaffrey. That's
how much running backs matter. So these cries, these hues
for the impoverished running backs, they still matter. The great
(29:36):
running backs still matter. The great safeties Kyle Hamilton at
Baltimore still maddle matter. The great guards still matter. So
I think Barkley is going to be a game changer
because I don't think Nick Seriani has proven his ability
to nurture quarterbacks since Shane Steiken left. He's going to
have to depend on the coordinator. His reputation wasn't a
(29:57):
quarterback whisperer like Shane Stikin or or Sean McVeigh, so
I don't think that's what he is. But I think
Jalen Hurts will bounce back, be more redeemable, maybe not MVP,
but solid, and Barkley will be a jet fuel offensive weapon.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Which has a bigger impact the loss of Jason Kelsey
their center, or the gain of Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So they're both, they'll both one hurts, one helps. So
so it's a lot. Oh you think that's like a wash?
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I think that Kelsey loss is massive. New offensive coordinator
news center. Basically, the Brotherly Shove play is out. I
don't think they canna even run it this year. Like,
I don't know, man, that's the biggest concern is losing
a center. We're the Randoms other shows they're not talking
about offensive line play man. We know in the trenches
that's where the money's made.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Maybe we shouldn't. I'm not sure if it's riveting, but
jmck with the.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
How watched the Phillies yesterday? Phillies Giants locked into baseball?
J Mac, you may, you may want to give that
sport a try. It's coming around. So Philly's gonna in
the World Series, going to beat the Yankees and six
put it down right now. Okay. So I'm reading this
story this morning. It kind of cracked me up and
asked the question is the Lakers head coaching job attractive?
And one of the things the story said about the
(32:13):
attractive nature of the Lakers job, you get a ton
of nationally televised games every year, the favorable whistles your
team gets. Oh really, the favorable whistle Okay, columnists now
saying the league is rigged. Okay. The Lakers head coaching
job is much like owning a boat. It's a glamour purchase.
(32:37):
It feels exclusive, and you gloat about it for forty
eight hours. One year later, nothing but regrets and headaches.
The two best days of owning a boat and being
a Laker head coach are the day you get it
and the day you exit. Sorry, but it's true. It
does not pay top dollar. It no longer does. It
(32:57):
is not a championship roster, and in it's current state,
you'll have to run the offense through a forty year
old forward. In college sports, the best jobs always have
a financial advantage or a geographical one. Ohio State, Georgia.
Those are rich college football programs Texas talent rich and
(33:18):
financial rich. Same with UNC basketball. But in pro sports,
a job, a head coaching job, is as good as
the owner expectations, flexibility, and the roster. And the Lakers
have incredibly high expectations and an incredibly old, brittle roster
in key spots and not talented enough and others, and
(33:39):
they don't have the draft picks to engineer massive trades
or have anybody outside of maybe Anthony Davis to get players.
And then they wouldn't be as good defensively in the
post because Ad should have been the defensive player of
the year, as we've stated multiple times, not Rudy Gobert.
If you look at the current list of Laker candidates
for the head coaching job, five have never been a
(34:01):
head coach, one briefly hasn't had a losing record. I
would argue the Lakers in their current state, it is
a bad job, and I think NBA and NHL jobs
are basically bounced around the league positions. JB. Bickerstaff was
fired recently by Cleveland. He was the sixth longest tenured
(34:23):
coach and he'd been around about four years. So I
do not consider it a great job. I think you
could argue expectations lack of salary. Offense has to run
through Lebron at forty. It's a bad one. So Nick Wright,
who you know, speaking of Gloat, likes to talk about
his Chiefs. He can be a bit much. Now that
(34:46):
Kansas City runs the league. Tom Brady was on yesterday
talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, and I do think
it's fair to say I do not think they'll three peat.
It's never happened in the league. I was surprised they
got the rep and I think last year and this
has to matter for something, they got a series of breaks.
(35:07):
First of all, the quarterback that had given them the
most trouble, Joe Burrow, got hurt. Second of all, their
division was really down. The Raiders were a mess. Russell
Wilson in Denver. Herbert had the wrong coach, so they
were able as they were trying to figure out what
they were offensively for almost the entirety of the season,
(35:28):
didn't get really challenged in division. Then they got a
break in the playoff where it was the coldest playoff
game in Arrowhead Stadium history, and they got a team
from Miami. I'm sorry, I remember Dan Fouts playing in Cincinnati.
The Chargers I felt were better. The weather ate them up.
(35:48):
And then in the Super Bowl, Dre Greenlaw gets hurt
coming off the bench, not even hit. That does not
mean and all that they went in overtime does not
mean Kansas City didn't deserve the Super Bowl. They certainly
earned it. But if you look at their schedule, the
first four games are tough. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins,
(36:13):
Jim Harbaugh, Justin Herbert. They also have a very too
early buy. They plan on Wednesday, a Friday, a Saturday,
all sorts of times weird rhythm. At the end of
the year, there's the Rashi Rice mess at wide receiver,
Travis Kelcey's increasing injuries and age. Lugerius Snead was an
excellent corner he's no longer there. I think they'll be
(36:36):
really good, but you have to remember the Joe Burrow injury.
The AFC South should be significantly better. You're probably not
going to get a Miami team in the coldest game
ever at Arrowhead. We hope their first round pick hits
at Ride receiver because Rashi Rice situations messy. Tom Brady
(36:59):
talked about three peating in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I would played on an undefeated team. We were the
best team, I think, one of the best in the
history of football.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
In two thousand and seven, we go.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
To the Super Bowl. We play less than our best game.
The Giants play an awesome game and they end up
beating us. All these teams in the NFL are very competitive,
they're all well coached. The margin of there is raise
oursin So to win one Super Bowl is extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
To win two back to back.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
What the Chiefs have done. I mean, as we know,
in the history of the sport, nearly impossible to win
three in a row. There's a reason why no one's
done it. The reason why we haven't won three in
a row because it's hard to win one in a row.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So to put three.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Of those together in back to back to back seasons
with drafting last a very hard schedule. All the turnover
and free agency guys continuing to be motivated. It's a
big challenge.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
One of the things that I think you have to
acknowledge is that with Herbert not having the right quarterback
and Sean Payton trying to get the quarterback situation with
Russell Wilson Wright the Raiders being kind of the Raiders,
it was a pretty easy division as they were trying
to figure out what they were So you get home
games in the playoffs that I think will be significantly
(38:18):
harder to come by. I think bow Nicks and Sean
Payton will be very, very capable, very early. I think Herbert,
I agree with Jason McIntyre and Jim Harbaugh, feel like
an eleven win team and will be incredibly physically challenging
for Kansas City. They got a handful of breaks, certainly earned, deserved, earned,
(38:40):
I like earned better, but I do think along the
way last year there were a series of slight breaks.
I also think the NFC over the last two years
has been down. I think Philly's better, Detroit will be
capable of winning a Super Bowl, Green Bay is young,
getting better, Rams San Francis go all good. I'll say
(39:02):
it again, how the Rams are valued as poorly as
they are when they literally check all the boxes is remarkable.
They had another fantastic draft, So I don't think it's
anti Chiefs to say there are championships. A great example
of this is Dallas. The Mavericks don't necessarily match up
(39:23):
very well with Denver. They match up very well with Minnesota.
They got a break, so that there are times, I mean,
let's be honest, Indiana, the Knicks fall apart. That's a
break for the Celtics. A healthy Knicks team as a
huge underdog would have given Boston some uncomfortable moments. A
(39:44):
young Indiana team that can't defend my cup of coffee
got swept. So there are matchup advantages and disadvantages, and
I just think that has to be considered.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So when you were gallivanting on the other side of
the country last week, I went off and said the
chief no shot out a three pop.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Their fans come after me.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, get this.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Colin Pro Football Focus just here today dropped their tackles
rankings for.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Twenty twenty four left tackle. They said the top thirty
two tackles.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Okay, you want to guess how many Kansas City has
in the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Two tackles none correct none.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Both Jets guys starting left, starting right are top eighteen.
I'm not saying the Jets are better because of that,
but I'm telling you tackle situation is real in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
If you guys can ignore it all you want. We
got behold, we got read.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
You don't have a tackle.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Like either side.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
That's a big issue right now for Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, they're Super Bowl drubbing to Tampa. They didn't have
tackles who were healthy. Hour two next
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