May 29, 2024 • 28 mins
John Middlekauff reacts to the passing of Grayson Murray over the weekend and how this situation has hit the players and golf world a little bit differently because of how close all the players on tour are. Later, John dives into Scottie Scheffler coming in second place and how despite not winning, he is still incredibly dominant.
Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment.
5:05 - Grayson Murrray's passing
15:48 - Scottie Scheffler doesn't win
21:25 - Mailbag
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What is going on? Everybody?
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John middlecoff go Low is the podcast and today we
are going to talk a little golf. Davis Riley won
the Congressional Scottie Scheffler finished second, but that felt like
an afterthought, not just in the golfing world, but in
the professional sporting world, with Grayson Murray committing suicide and
passing away this weekend after playing in the golf tournament.
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Grayson Murray was in Texas played in the golf tournament
Thursday and Friday and Withdrew with a couple holes left
and then was dead less than twenty four hours later.
So yeah, I don't even know where to start, but
I do want to give a couple thoughts on that situation.
Then then we'll dive into some golf Scottie Scheffler, the
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I've spent a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I just drove back from about three hours away from
my house to the mountains. It's called Pine Top. My
girlfriend has a client that she's dealing with the potentially
pretty big deal. So I went up with her for
a couple of days and just kind of hung out,
got out of the heat. And before we left, she
had an open house and I was kind of sitting
around on Saturday watching golf because I had money on
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Scotti Scheffler, and this is a tournament that, like most
peoplemoral day weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I would check out. I would not pay attention.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And after the first day, when Scotty shot two over,
I almost just completely checked out and just gave my
money away, but he got back into it and I
just turned it on. There wasn't anything else to watch,
and news broke that Grayson Murray was dead. And then
over the next I would say a couple hours. Multiple
(04:29):
players talked on camera during the broadcast with a man
to Ballyonis and Peter Malnaughty who played with him Thursday
and Friday.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just borderline, I mean, brought me to tears.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I would imagine anyone that saw the clip, it was very,
very emotional. And before we dive into the personal stuff
with Grayson Murray, I never met the guy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know a couple of people that have.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm on some golf text chains with people that knew him,
and he was would always DM back and with them,
and people liked him. Obviously he's a very talented player.
He won earlier this year and has been very open
in his fight with depression, anxiety and alcoholism. And on
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the drive home, I thought so much about you know,
it's funny when you're young you see people going through
mental health stuff or alcoholism. I bet it's safe to
say most of us know someone who is impacted by addiction.
And whether it's family members, whether it's friends, you know,
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some sort of acquaintance, someone you work with, And when
you're young, you see it and it's usually through your
parents or extended family. But it's really really hard to comprehend.
And as you get older, and I'll use myself as
an example, as you get in your thirties, approaching forty
you have people in your own life that you either
grew up with, worked with, became friends with, whatever, and
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you see it firsthand and you see the power of
it and worst case scenario and I've experienced this, it
takes someone's life and it impacts you deep into your
soul of something that you start asking all these questions
that all these players were talking about, could I have
done more reach out to this person? And you see
Grays and Murray who had been very open about his
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sobriety and turning his life around in terms of, you know,
one thing with his depression and anxiety. I watched a
lot of clips and press conferences from Grayson on Saturday
and Sunday. He talked about negative thoughts impacting his life
and overtaking him when he was at his lowest and
now he's you know, up until this week had really
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helped turned it into a positive. And you look at
his resume this year, he has multiple top tens, a win,
he just finished top ten at Quail Hollow two weeks
ago when Rory won, and he had made two and
a half million dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's not even June.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean, there was a decent chance where he was
on the FedEx Cup. I mean, you could be talking
about a four or five million dollar a year and
you realize how little to nothing that matters. None of
it mattered because this guy was dealing with things that
he just could not shake. And like I said, if
I don't have an addictive personality, so I've never had
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to deal with like most people, I'm sure anxiety creeps in.
I've never really dealt with depression, but I've seen it
firsthand with friends and have seen it take someone's life.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And when you.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Read or see a story like Grayson Murray, it feels
like you know the person right and it feels like,
oh my god. And the other thing in golf, unlike
all these team sports, is if you play for the
forty nine ers or you play for the Lakers, there's
a decent chance there's dudes on all these other teams
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that you don't know at all. Beside you know. In football,
you might play the team once every four years, and
if you don't work out in the same area in
the offseason, you have no clue anything about the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Basketball is definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
A little smaller, but still there are guys that don't
have personal relationships or know that much about guys all
over the league. Yet in golf, you play in the
same tournaments all the time. Anyone who's played at any
level you go to a driving range. If there's a tournament,
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every single person's on the driving range, and in professional golf,
the driving range, the putting.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Green, and the chipping area. It would be.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Physically impossible to not get to know people over the
course of several years. And for a guy like Grace
and Murray, who first won back in twenty seventeen, played a.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Lot of tournaments.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So when you see all these guys talk, I can't
even imagine Peter Malnoni, who played with them Thursday, in
front of that experience and then getting the news that
he was dead on Saturday. It's why I think he
was clearly so emotionally emotional and overcome. That would have
been like he's never experienced anything like that in his life.
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And then watching Scotty Scheffler talk after the tournament, there's
a good example. Scotty Scheffler best player in.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The world by a wide margin.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He's like, yeah, Grayson was at my house two weeks
ago in Quail hollaor I.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Guess the week before.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Maybe it was the PGA Championship, because Scotty wasn't there.
He had dinner at my house, came over to the
Airbnb for a couple hours. And it might have been
because Grayson had gotten very involved with religion, and obviously
Scott Scotty and his caddy Ted Scott, and kind of
the crew they run with. Obviously religion is a major
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driving factor. Imagine that just a couple of weeks ago,
guy you play golf with, play practice rounds with, just
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And obviously we have seen deaths in other.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sports over the course of I'll just use my life
thirty plus years watching sports, but I don't remember anything
in golf, an individual sport where all these guys, even
if you're not buddy buddy with the guy, you know
them pretty well because of the proximity you have to
those people on a weekly basis. And for this guy,
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his story was well documented, well documented, especially the turnaround
story of him becoming a better guy and where his
life was headed. And then Friday withdraw Saturday dead and
by Sunday his parents are like he committed suicide. I
just I just thought the whole thing was very powerful. Obviously,
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I can't even imagine being in their family situation. There
was I saw a press conference from Grace and maybe
it was a podcast within the last six months, just
talking about how much his dad meant to him and
what it means to turn his life around for his father,
And it just shows you that there are some demons
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that are just so dark you just can't shake. And
it's just it really is a awful, awful It doesn't
get any worse than this story.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And with a guy that had.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
A career that looked like it had a trajectory to
really go places in the near future to just ending
his life. And I think this is a topic that
you're going to see a lot of people talk about
in the golfing world.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Players the US opens right around the corner memorial. This
is not something that's gonna go away. And obviously, you know,
Jay Monahan talked about Grayson working with him because he
had been very.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Critical of the tours.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I would say their willingness and thoughtfulness to help guys
out through the dark time times and him and Jay
became really close, and Jay flew right to Congressional I thought,
you know, this isn't something that as a commissioner you
have to handle. But in the little I watched him
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on a press conference, I thought, Jay, did you know,
an admirable job given the situation and given the severity
of the just what was going on, because this is
not something that you know, there's no handbook for this,
and just just an awful situation. And I hope the
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guy's in a better place because you just really feel
for his family and his close friends.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I guess we'll pivot to golf here.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like I said, I had money on Scotti Scheffler last week.
He did not play very well beside Saturday when he
shot Evan Under. He had a decent stretch on Friday,
but he had a triple bogue early on Thursday and
then Friday, and like he said, after maybe the Grayson
news getting to know him over the course of this
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year really rattled the guy. But he did not play
very well at all. Never really had a chance to
take down Davis Riley, who had a career week. Davis
Riley's a guy. When he first came on tour, I
used to sneak, you know, put a little pennies on
here and there for some top tens in top twenties,
he actually was pretty good early on, and he has
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not had a good season at all, and that win.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You know, could be a game changer. It's the thing
with golf. You can be shitty shitty, shitty shitty.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And all of a sudden win a tournament like that
in your careers off and running. So Scotty finished in
a week where I would say he had his on
the on the aggregate. I'm not talking the individual rounds
B minus game B minus game. If it wasn't for
a guy, I mean, there's a decent chance that's the
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only win Davis Riley ever has on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I would put over.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Under best case for Davis Riley probably like a three
win guy. Maybe over the course of a decade, maybe
he gets another one. So he's like a two win
guy career career week. Wins a big tournament changes the
course of his career. Scotty, if that guy doesn't exist,
He's in a playoff with Keegan Bradley and he had
a borderline C plus B minus week. I think we're
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dealing with a different animal here. And this was a
thing with Pete Tiger. I didn't watch Jack or Arnie,
but some of these historic guys is their floor. And
Phil was like this for a long long time in
the majors. He was like the Xander on steroids. It's
like he's just right there, right there. I mean, like
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I said, Scotty bad week. He played in the final
group on Sunday and three early on and then it
kind of flipped and then it was he never really
had a shot.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But you know, I'm pretty tempted. I looked yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I've been saying this for a while, and I said
this after the PGA Championship is you know, and it
looks like all these charges eventually are gonna get dropped.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That video of the arrest is a joke.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But Scottie right now is under four to one to
win the US Open at Pinehurst. I look today, he
was three and a half to one. I might have
put a little parlay with the Dallas Mavericks and the
Edmonton Oilers who lost a terrible game last night, But
that's beside the point. There's a chance if he looks
good at Memorial which is next week Jack's tournament, or
happens to win that tournament. I don't think it's inconceivable
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that he could.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Be two to one.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
If he were to win at Memorial and he has
a win going into the US Open, I would imagine
it's two to one going into the US Open, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I would bet that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I think he's a borderline lock to win this tournament.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I really do, especially if.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
By then this situation in Kentucky's resolved, which all signs
point to that being the case. But we're watching, like
what Xander's career was incredible, was always around, always around,
always around. You know, he didn't win as much as
we thought he should win, but it was just an
awesome player. His floor was basically higher than everyone else. Right,
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it's higher than Rory's. It's obviously higher than the Space
and the JT's and the cantle Ay's and all those dudes.
It's obviously now highering ROMs, Rom and Scotty were the
only guys who were clearly better. And then it was
like wele Xander on a consistent basis is.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A better player than Rory.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
If they're both on, Rory's gonna beat him. But like
that's part of golf, right, It's like every single week,
are you getting top fives and top tens and in
the majors, are you always around the lead.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's what Scotty is. Literally every freaking week.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
If he doesn't win the tournament, you look up, he's
like third, and he's not like sixth or tenth or ninth.
It's like second, second, first, first, first, second.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He's not playing one other person. This isn't match play.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is literally one hundred and fifty five guys every
single week and it's either second or first.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Like it's fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He got arrested a couple of days ago or a week,
you know, less than a month ago, now three weeks ago.
A dude that was hanging out at his airbnb, a
guy who played practice rounds committed suicide. It's like, I
don't know what can throw this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Off, literally nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's like he just hits him a couple of bad
shots and it looks like he's playing terrible. Then you
look at the rest of the field and they're all
falling apart.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's just it's a remarkable run he's on.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It really is, and you remove Tiger. I don't think
we've ever seen something quite like this the last fifteen years.
I know some guys, and he's got to win the majors.
We've seen guys win multiple majors in a year. Kopka has, right,
At one point in time, he had the US Opening
PGA Championship back to back years. But Kepka wasn't doing
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shit in all these random PGA tournaments, right. I think
he has like nine career wins and five from her majors,
So I don't know, man, It's been really really fun
to watch. Okay, let's answer a couple male bag questions
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I'm cold right now, I really am. I gotta get
back on the saddle, and that's why we're gonna hammer Scotty.
We got to pick someone of a morgle, but we're
we gotta hammer Scotti at Pineers. I'm coming to Phoenix
in October. And note you always mentioned a play Weekapile
and was wondering why not TPC Scott Stale. I'm coming
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from the UK. I would play TBC Scott Stale. I
play out there every week. I just say weekapow. It's
just kind of a unique course, kind of out in
the middle of nowhere. Actually drove by it today coming
back from the mountains. I tell people this all the time.
There are three public courses that if you really like
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golf and you're coming here that most people that I
play with that are coming from out of town play
Because I TPC Scottsdale's my home course, I'm i join there,
so it's just where I play. But most people that
come that I play with play there. They play Greyhawk
and they play True North. Now, if you want to
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drive a little farther Weekapaw and Quinto are pretty freaking awesome.
But if you're just in the North Scottsdale area, the
easiest ones are TBC, Greyhawk and True North. Little pricey,
but all fantastic. And to me, I like TPC the
most because it's like I'm a California kid. Sometimes, Arizona golf.
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If you're a little off, True North is hard. If
you're spraying the ball, you're gonna lose a lot of balls. Greyhawks,
you know you're not hitting driver off every tea. True
North is or excuse me, TPC is a legitimate golf course.
Could spray it a little bit. It's got some long holes,
it's got some cool holes, but it's much more closer
to what I'm used to growing up than desert golf,
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and I've grown. Desert Golf's grown on me a lot.
Since Xander's dad said his son won't be chasing live
toward money. Who do you think Greg Norman and company
will try to poach next if any? Seeing the backlash
John Rahm has gotten and his struggles at the Masters
and the PGA, do you think the next first time
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major champion winner will take the money in bolt seeing
that they have the five major championship exemption in hand. Uh,
it's definitely the moment you win a major, right Like Xander,
he a bunch of exemptions because he's always finished at
top five in him But even if he had never
played in a previous major and he won the PGA Championship,
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He's in all the majors for the next five years.
Like Bryson's exemption from two thousand, what is that twenty
twenty winning at Wingfoot is coming to a close now
because he finishes second at the PGA Championship, He's definitely
in that next year. I think you're also in the
couple other majors. I have to give myself a retooling
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of the rules on the exemptions. But like Michael Block
was in this major, he didn't have to qualify because
he finished top fifteen. So Bryson's automatically in the PGA Championship.
I do think if you finished.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Top five in a major.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But Bryson's a bad example because all these majors are
gonna take him now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I think this live PGA Tour situation is going to
come to a close ideal over the next six months.
Sooner the sooner the better, obviously.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But shit, what do I know? That could be wishful thinking.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Got a few questions for the pot. What are some
of the golf podcasts you listen to? I don't I
listened to No Ling Up on Sundays after a big tournament.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I listened to shot Gonn't Start.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I've been listening to that one. It's pretty good. I've
checked out The Fried Egg before.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I listened to.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Hubbard's Brother and Joe and Joe House Simmons guy on
Fairway Rolling. I listen to my guys at the tour Junkies.
They do a deep, deep dive on gambling. I'll throw
on the four play Boys. Frankie's playing some pretty good golf.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I watched the YouTube video. Frankie looks good.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I like Dan Rappaport, He's always got some good nugs.
I don't think we'll ever see another stretch like we
did with Scotty last month. Win's the Masters, Whin's the
RBC next week? Has a Baby gets the PGA Championship,
shoots a sixty seven, arrested Friday, get to release, shoots
sixty six, shoots the seventy three after things it settled
down a bit and it hit him, then goes out
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on Sunday and shoots sixty five to create some noise. Yeah,
we're never seeing a player get arrested on a day
in a major when they're playing. It's never happened before,
It's never happening again. Last one, I think all the
guys that left the PGA Tour for live, I think
the one the PGA, the fans and even other golfers
(23:35):
missed the most is Bryson. I think Bryson is a
great example of a lot happen fast because he's an
elite player.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I mean, Bryson's a blue chipper, so he gets the
tour really fast.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He's a weird guy, and it was a lot for
people to handle and felt like he was too weird.
Then he got big and started hitting bombs, so he
brought he crossed over sports. So before it's just golf,
people like, Ah, this Bryson guy's kind of weird. All
his clubs are the same size, has a weird swing,
(24:11):
wears a weird hat, kind of a quirky cat. And
then he gets big, like he's playing defensive tackle for
the LA rams like what is going on here? And
he crosses over the sports line where casual people start
paying attention to him, and then he gets in this
thing with Brooks, who's well liked because he's kind of
(24:34):
this cool guy, and everyone kind of sides with Kep
because he's winning majors. Bryson's the nerd. And then he's
like everyone hates me, I'm going to lift. And since
then he's gotten skinnier again, seems a little more relaxed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Is dominating.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, he was awesome last year at the PGA Championship.
He was right there at the Masters. He easily could
have won this tournament. He's still all the longest hitter,
so like, what did make him kind of cool? The
bombs he's swinging out of his ass. Even Xander, who
I don't know, top five long guy on PGA Tour
is like, I wanted no part of a playoff with
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Bryson because he hits it so far. I mean, he
is just hitting these rope draws.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean rope draws.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
When he misses, You're like, he better hold on for
his ass. This thing could go anywhere. But I think
people now I watch his youtubees. He's just a content creator.
He's a content machine.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's fun.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And this is what Live did to the PGA Tour.
They took away the people that moved the emotional needle.
You can't have a sport league, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, hockey,
I don't care what without people you hate and people
that when you bring him up, some people are gonna
love him, some people are gonna hate him.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You bring up Jordan Spieth.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Everyone's gonna have a positive thing to say beside his
games a little off, but.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Like, I like that guy.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You bring it, start bringing up of guys Patrick Reed, Bryson,
even Kepka, It's like, what the fuck's that guy is deal?
You know, Phil, Like, gosh, that guy's crazy. The PGA
tour lost all of that, and Bryson's a needle mover,
And it was clear I saw someone. The day after
the PGA Championship, they posted all the youtubes of the
press conferences. Xander won the thing and Bryson had almost
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three x the views at his press conference. So yeah,
he's missed. There's no doubt about it. He's a massive,
massive star name slack. His power to me is casuals
Like everyone that follows golf knows Sergio Garcia or Tommy Fleetwood. Right,
(26:44):
but what the power of Tiger, the power of Phil,
the power when speed was big Rory is that like
football fans or basketball people, they just know the name
and they kind of got some idea. Doesn't mean they're
watching tournaments, but they're paying attention. And then on Saturday
or Sunday in a major is like, hey, Bryson d
Chambeau is winning, You'll flip it on. You're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
For Tommy Fleetwood.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You're not doing that for a lot of random guys.
Victor Hovland, I like these players. I'm gonna watch it.
But the reason golf needs these other people is they
get a different crowd. No one's ever done it before
and probably.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Ever will do it like Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And when you get Tiger Woods, you're a rocket ship
to the bank. And that's what the tour is in
a weird spot. And Live has all these people, but
no one cares about what they're doing, so it's just
a shitty spot for all.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Bryson's missed. I miss watching Bryson on a weekly basis.
I wish Bryson was at Colonial. I wish Bryson was
playing at the Memorial.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
We all get the short end of the stick with
the separation because we don't get to watch him on
a weekly basis because he plays a lot too.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's the thing.
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It's not like Bryce since playing ten times a year.
When he was on the PGA Tour, he played a lot.
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the Congressional Scottie Scheffler finished second, but that felt like
an afterthought, not just in the golfing world, but in
the professional sporting world, with Grayson Murray committing suicide and
passing away this weekend after playing in the golf tournament.
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Grayson Murray was in Texas played in the golf tournament
Thursday and Friday and Withdrew with a couple holes left
and then was dead less than twenty four hours later.
So yeah, I don't even know where to start, but
I do want to give a couple thoughts on that situation.
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I've spent a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I just drove back from about three hours away from
my house to the mountains. It's called Pine Top. My
girlfriend has a client that she's dealing with the potentially
pretty big deal. So I went up with her for
a couple of days and just kind of hung out,
got out of the heat. And before we left, she
had an open house and I was kind of sitting
around on Saturday watching golf because I had money on
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Scotti Scheffler, and this is a tournament that, like most
peoplemoral day weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I would check out. I would not pay attention.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And after the first day, when Scotty shot two over,
I almost just completely checked out and just gave my
money away, but he got back into it and I
just turned it on. There wasn't anything else to watch,
and news broke that Grayson Murray was dead. And then
over the next I would say a couple hours. Multiple
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players talked on camera during the broadcast with a man
to Ballyonis and Peter Malnaughty who played with him Thursday
and Friday.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just borderline, I mean, brought me to tears.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I would imagine anyone that saw the clip, it was very,
very emotional. And before we dive into the personal stuff
with Grayson Murray, I never met the guy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know a couple of people that have.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm on some golf text chains with people that knew him,
and he was would always DM back and with them,
and people liked him. Obviously he's a very talented player.
He won earlier this year and has been very open
in his fight with depression, anxiety and alcoholism. And on
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the drive home, I thought so much about you know,
it's funny when you're young you see people going through
mental health stuff or alcoholism. I bet it's safe to
say most of us know someone who is impacted by addiction.
And whether it's family members, whether it's friends, you know,
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some sort of acquaintance, someone you work with, And when
you're young, you see it and it's usually through your
parents or extended family. But it's really really hard to comprehend.
And as you get older, and I'll use myself as
an example, as you get in your thirties, approaching forty
you have people in your own life that you either
grew up with, worked with, became friends with, whatever, and
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you see it firsthand and you see the power of
it and worst case scenario and I've experienced this, it
takes someone's life and it impacts you deep into your
soul of something that you start asking all these questions
that all these players were talking about, could I have
done more reach out to this person? And you see
Grays and Murray who had been very open about his
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sobriety and turning his life around in terms of, you know,
one thing with his depression and anxiety. I watched a
lot of clips and press conferences from Grayson on Saturday
and Sunday. He talked about negative thoughts impacting his life
and overtaking him when he was at his lowest and
now he's you know, up until this week had really
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helped turned it into a positive. And you look at
his resume this year, he has multiple top tens, a win,
he just finished top ten at Quail Hollow two weeks
ago when Rory won, and he had made two and
a half million dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's not even June.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean, there was a decent chance where he was
on the FedEx Cup. I mean, you could be talking
about a four or five million dollar a year and
you realize how little to nothing that matters. None of
it mattered because this guy was dealing with things that
he just could not shake. And like I said, if
I don't have an addictive personality, so I've never had
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to deal with like most people, I'm sure anxiety creeps in.
I've never really dealt with depression, but I've seen it
firsthand with friends and have seen it take someone's life.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And when you.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Read or see a story like Grayson Murray, it feels
like you know the person right and it feels like,
oh my god. And the other thing in golf, unlike
all these team sports, is if you play for the
forty nine ers or you play for the Lakers, there's
a decent chance there's dudes on all these other teams
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that you don't know at all. Beside you know. In football,
you might play the team once every four years, and
if you don't work out in the same area in
the offseason, you have no clue anything about the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Basketball is definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
A little smaller, but still there are guys that don't
have personal relationships or know that much about guys all
over the league. Yet in golf, you play in the
same tournaments all the time. Anyone who's played at any
level you go to a driving range. If there's a tournament,
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every single person's on the driving range, and in professional golf,
the driving range, the putting.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Green, and the chipping area. It would be.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Physically impossible to not get to know people over the
course of several years. And for a guy like Grace
and Murray, who first won back in twenty seventeen, played a.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Lot of tournaments.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So when you see all these guys talk, I can't
even imagine Peter Malnoni, who played with them Thursday, in
front of that experience and then getting the news that
he was dead on Saturday. It's why I think he
was clearly so emotionally emotional and overcome. That would have
been like he's never experienced anything like that in his life.
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And then watching Scotty Scheffler talk after the tournament, there's
a good example. Scotty Scheffler best player in.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The world by a wide margin.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He's like, yeah, Grayson was at my house two weeks
ago in Quail hollaor I.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Guess the week before.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Maybe it was the PGA Championship, because Scotty wasn't there.
He had dinner at my house, came over to the
Airbnb for a couple hours. And it might have been
because Grayson had gotten very involved with religion, and obviously
Scott Scotty and his caddy Ted Scott, and kind of
the crew they run with. Obviously religion is a major
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driving factor. Imagine that just a couple of weeks ago,
guy you play golf with, play practice rounds with, just
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And obviously we have seen deaths in other.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sports over the course of I'll just use my life
thirty plus years watching sports, but I don't remember anything
in golf, an individual sport where all these guys, even
if you're not buddy buddy with the guy, you know
them pretty well because of the proximity you have to
those people on a weekly basis. And for this guy,
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his story was well documented, well documented, especially the turnaround
story of him becoming a better guy and where his
life was headed. And then Friday withdraw Saturday dead and
by Sunday his parents are like he committed suicide. I
just I just thought the whole thing was very powerful. Obviously,
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I can't even imagine being in their family situation. There
was I saw a press conference from Grace and maybe
it was a podcast within the last six months, just
talking about how much his dad meant to him and
what it means to turn his life around for his father,
And it just shows you that there are some demons
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that are just so dark you just can't shake. And
it's just it really is a awful, awful It doesn't
get any worse than this story.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And with a guy that had.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
A career that looked like it had a trajectory to
really go places in the near future to just ending
his life. And I think this is a topic that
you're going to see a lot of people talk about
in the golfing world.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Players the US opens right around the corner memorial. This
is not something that's gonna go away. And obviously, you know,
Jay Monahan talked about Grayson working with him because he
had been very.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Critical of the tours.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I would say their willingness and thoughtfulness to help guys
out through the dark time times and him and Jay
became really close, and Jay flew right to Congressional I thought,
you know, this isn't something that as a commissioner you
have to handle. But in the little I watched him
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on a press conference, I thought, Jay, did you know,
an admirable job given the situation and given the severity
of the just what was going on, because this is
not something that you know, there's no handbook for this,
and just just an awful situation. And I hope the
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guy's in a better place because you just really feel
for his family and his close friends.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I guess we'll pivot to golf here.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like I said, I had money on Scotti Scheffler last week.
He did not play very well beside Saturday when he
shot Evan Under. He had a decent stretch on Friday,
but he had a triple bogue early on Thursday and
then Friday, and like he said, after maybe the Grayson
news getting to know him over the course of this
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year really rattled the guy. But he did not play
very well at all. Never really had a chance to
take down Davis Riley, who had a career week. Davis
Riley's a guy. When he first came on tour, I
used to sneak, you know, put a little pennies on
here and there for some top tens in top twenties,
he actually was pretty good early on, and he has
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not had a good season at all, and that win.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You know, could be a game changer. It's the thing
with golf. You can be shitty shitty, shitty shitty.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And all of a sudden win a tournament like that
in your careers off and running. So Scotty finished in
a week where I would say he had his on
the on the aggregate. I'm not talking the individual rounds
B minus game B minus game. If it wasn't for
a guy, I mean, there's a decent chance that's the
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only win Davis Riley ever has on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I would put over.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Under best case for Davis Riley probably like a three
win guy. Maybe over the course of a decade, maybe
he gets another one. So he's like a two win
guy career career week. Wins a big tournament changes the
course of his career. Scotty, if that guy doesn't exist,
He's in a playoff with Keegan Bradley and he had
a borderline C plus B minus week. I think we're
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dealing with a different animal here. And this was a
thing with Pete Tiger. I didn't watch Jack or Arnie,
but some of these historic guys is their floor. And
Phil was like this for a long long time in
the majors. He was like the Xander on steroids. It's
like he's just right there, right there. I mean, like
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I said, Scotty bad week. He played in the final
group on Sunday and three early on and then it
kind of flipped and then it was he never really
had a shot.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But you know, I'm pretty tempted. I looked yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I've been saying this for a while, and I said
this after the PGA Championship is you know, and it
looks like all these charges eventually are gonna get dropped.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That video of the arrest is a joke.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But Scottie right now is under four to one to
win the US Open at Pinehurst. I look today, he
was three and a half to one. I might have
put a little parlay with the Dallas Mavericks and the
Edmonton Oilers who lost a terrible game last night, But
that's beside the point. There's a chance if he looks
good at Memorial which is next week Jack's tournament, or
happens to win that tournament. I don't think it's inconceivable
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that he could.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Be two to one.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
If he were to win at Memorial and he has
a win going into the US Open, I would imagine
it's two to one going into the US Open, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I would bet that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I think he's a borderline lock to win this tournament.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I really do, especially if.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
By then this situation in Kentucky's resolved, which all signs
point to that being the case. But we're watching, like
what Xander's career was incredible, was always around, always around,
always around. You know, he didn't win as much as
we thought he should win, but it was just an
awesome player. His floor was basically higher than everyone else. Right,
(16:25):
it's higher than Rory's. It's obviously higher than the Space
and the JT's and the cantle Ay's and all those dudes.
It's obviously now highering ROMs, Rom and Scotty were the
only guys who were clearly better. And then it was
like wele Xander on a consistent basis is.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A better player than Rory.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
If they're both on, Rory's gonna beat him. But like
that's part of golf, right, It's like every single week,
are you getting top fives and top tens and in
the majors, are you always around the lead.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's what Scotty is. Literally every freaking week.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
If he doesn't win the tournament, you look up, he's
like third, and he's not like sixth or tenth or ninth.
It's like second, second, first, first, first, second.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He's not playing one other person. This isn't match play.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is literally one hundred and fifty five guys every
single week and it's either second or first.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Like it's fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He got arrested a couple of days ago or a week,
you know, less than a month ago, now three weeks ago.
A dude that was hanging out at his airbnb, a
guy who played practice rounds committed suicide. It's like, I
don't know what can throw this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Off, literally nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's like he just hits him a couple of bad
shots and it looks like he's playing terrible. Then you
look at the rest of the field and they're all
falling apart.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's just it's a remarkable run he's on.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It really is, and you remove Tiger. I don't think
we've ever seen something quite like this the last fifteen years.
I know some guys, and he's got to win the majors.
We've seen guys win multiple majors in a year. Kopka has, right,
At one point in time, he had the US Opening
PGA Championship back to back years. But Kepka wasn't doing
(18:12):
shit in all these random PGA tournaments, right. I think
he has like nine career wins and five from her majors,
So I don't know, man, It's been really really fun
to watch. Okay, let's answer a couple male bag questions
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I'm cold right now, I really am. I gotta get
back on the saddle, and that's why we're gonna hammer Scotty.
We got to pick someone of a morgle, but we're
we gotta hammer Scotti at Pineers. I'm coming to Phoenix
in October. And note you always mentioned a play Weekapile
and was wondering why not TPC Scott Stale. I'm coming
(18:54):
from the UK. I would play TBC Scott Stale. I
play out there every week. I just say weekapow. It's
just kind of a unique course, kind of out in
the middle of nowhere. Actually drove by it today coming
back from the mountains. I tell people this all the time.
There are three public courses that if you really like
(19:15):
golf and you're coming here that most people that I
play with that are coming from out of town play
Because I TPC Scottsdale's my home course, I'm i join there,
so it's just where I play. But most people that
come that I play with play there. They play Greyhawk
and they play True North. Now, if you want to
(19:36):
drive a little farther Weekapaw and Quinto are pretty freaking awesome.
But if you're just in the North Scottsdale area, the
easiest ones are TBC, Greyhawk and True North. Little pricey,
but all fantastic. And to me, I like TPC the
most because it's like I'm a California kid. Sometimes, Arizona golf.
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If you're a little off, True North is hard. If
you're spraying the ball, you're gonna lose a lot of balls. Greyhawks,
you know you're not hitting driver off every tea. True
North is or excuse me, TPC is a legitimate golf course.
Could spray it a little bit. It's got some long holes,
it's got some cool holes, but it's much more closer
to what I'm used to growing up than desert golf,
(20:25):
and I've grown. Desert Golf's grown on me a lot.
Since Xander's dad said his son won't be chasing live
toward money. Who do you think Greg Norman and company
will try to poach next if any? Seeing the backlash
John Rahm has gotten and his struggles at the Masters
and the PGA, do you think the next first time
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major champion winner will take the money in bolt seeing
that they have the five major championship exemption in hand. Uh,
it's definitely the moment you win a major, right Like Xander,
he a bunch of exemptions because he's always finished at
top five in him But even if he had never
played in a previous major and he won the PGA Championship,
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He's in all the majors for the next five years.
Like Bryson's exemption from two thousand, what is that twenty
twenty winning at Wingfoot is coming to a close now
because he finishes second at the PGA Championship, He's definitely
in that next year. I think you're also in the
couple other majors. I have to give myself a retooling
(21:33):
of the rules on the exemptions. But like Michael Block
was in this major, he didn't have to qualify because
he finished top fifteen. So Bryson's automatically in the PGA Championship.
I do think if you finished.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Top five in a major.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But Bryson's a bad example because all these majors are
gonna take him now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I think this live PGA Tour situation is going to
come to a close ideal over the next six months.
Sooner the sooner the better, obviously.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But shit, what do I know? That could be wishful thinking.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Got a few questions for the pot. What are some
of the golf podcasts you listen to? I don't I
listened to No Ling Up on Sundays after a big tournament.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I listened to shot Gonn't Start.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I've been listening to that one. It's pretty good. I've
checked out The Fried Egg before.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I listened to.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Hubbard's Brother and Joe and Joe House Simmons guy on
Fairway Rolling. I listen to my guys at the tour Junkies.
They do a deep, deep dive on gambling. I'll throw
on the four play Boys. Frankie's playing some pretty good golf.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I watched the YouTube video. Frankie looks good.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I like Dan Rappaport, He's always got some good nugs.
I don't think we'll ever see another stretch like we
did with Scotty last month. Win's the Masters, Whin's the
RBC next week? Has a Baby gets the PGA Championship,
shoots a sixty seven, arrested Friday, get to release, shoots
sixty six, shoots the seventy three after things it settled
down a bit and it hit him, then goes out
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on Sunday and shoots sixty five to create some noise. Yeah,
we're never seeing a player get arrested on a day
in a major when they're playing. It's never happened before,
It's never happening again. Last one, I think all the
guys that left the PGA Tour for live, I think
the one the PGA, the fans and even other golfers
(23:35):
missed the most is Bryson. I think Bryson is a
great example of a lot happen fast because he's an
elite player.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I mean, Bryson's a blue chipper, so he gets the
tour really fast.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He's a weird guy, and it was a lot for
people to handle and felt like he was too weird.
Then he got big and started hitting bombs, so he
brought he crossed over sports. So before it's just golf,
people like, Ah, this Bryson guy's kind of weird. All
his clubs are the same size, has a weird swing,
(24:11):
wears a weird hat, kind of a quirky cat. And
then he gets big, like he's playing defensive tackle for
the LA rams like what is going on here? And
he crosses over the sports line where casual people start
paying attention to him, and then he gets in this
thing with Brooks, who's well liked because he's kind of
(24:34):
this cool guy, and everyone kind of sides with Kep
because he's winning majors. Bryson's the nerd. And then he's
like everyone hates me, I'm going to lift. And since
then he's gotten skinnier again, seems a little more relaxed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Is dominating.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, he was awesome last year at the PGA Championship.
He was right there at the Masters. He easily could
have won this tournament. He's still all the longest hitter,
so like, what did make him kind of cool? The
bombs he's swinging out of his ass. Even Xander, who
I don't know, top five long guy on PGA Tour
is like, I wanted no part of a playoff with
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Bryson because he hits it so far. I mean, he
is just hitting these rope draws.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean rope draws.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
When he misses, You're like, he better hold on for
his ass. This thing could go anywhere. But I think
people now I watch his youtubees. He's just a content creator.
He's a content machine.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's fun.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And this is what Live did to the PGA Tour.
They took away the people that moved the emotional needle.
You can't have a sport league, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, hockey,
I don't care what without people you hate and people
that when you bring him up, some people are gonna
love him, some people are gonna hate him.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You bring up Jordan Spieth.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Everyone's gonna have a positive thing to say beside his
games a little off, but.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Like, I like that guy.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You bring it, start bringing up of guys Patrick Reed, Bryson,
even Kepka, It's like, what the fuck's that guy is deal?
You know, Phil, Like, gosh, that guy's crazy. The PGA
tour lost all of that, and Bryson's a needle mover,
And it was clear I saw someone. The day after
the PGA Championship, they posted all the youtubes of the
press conferences. Xander won the thing and Bryson had almost
(26:23):
three x the views at his press conference. So yeah,
he's missed. There's no doubt about it. He's a massive,
massive star name slack. His power to me is casuals
Like everyone that follows golf knows Sergio Garcia or Tommy Fleetwood. Right,
(26:44):
but what the power of Tiger, the power of Phil,
the power when speed was big Rory is that like
football fans or basketball people, they just know the name
and they kind of got some idea. Doesn't mean they're
watching tournaments, but they're paying attention. And then on Saturday
or Sunday in a major is like, hey, Bryson d
Chambeau is winning, You'll flip it on. You're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
For Tommy Fleetwood.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You're not doing that for a lot of random guys.
Victor Hovland, I like these players. I'm gonna watch it.
But the reason golf needs these other people is they
get a different crowd. No one's ever done it before
and probably.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Ever will do it like Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And when you get Tiger Woods, you're a rocket ship
to the bank. And that's what the tour is in
a weird spot. And Live has all these people, but
no one cares about what they're doing, so it's just
a shitty spot for all.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Bryson's missed. I miss watching Bryson on a weekly basis.
I wish Bryson was at Colonial. I wish Bryson was
playing at the Memorial.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
We all get the short end of the stick with
the separation because we don't get to watch him on
a weekly basis because he plays a lot too.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's not like Bryce since playing ten times a year.
When he was on the PGA Tour, he played a lot.
And you're right, he's well missed. The volume
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