May 30, 2024 • 41 mins
Despite the Mavericks game 4 loss, Luka Doncic continues to impress in the NBA playoffs
Looking at how important Tight Ends have become in the NFL
Guest: Greg Olsen
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh we go our number two, the great Greg Olsen,
Fox broadcaster decade in the NFL, is going to be
joining us. My hair is kind of a mess today.
I don't know why. So the stylish delivered the stylist.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Night late night out on the town line.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, not late night. I was in bed by eight forty,
not saying I didn't get a little loosey it so
I I just saw this that the MAVs lost a
close game to the Tea Wall and Luca didn't shoot
particularly well. Following a playoff loss, Luca averages thirty four
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points a game on almost fifty percent shooting. In the
history of the NBA, the history of the league. Luca
averages more points per game after a loss than any
player ever, outscoring Michael Jordan by a point. Probably part
of that's three point shot So these are the most
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points following a playoff loss in league history. Luca, Jordan, Iverson,
Jerry West, and Kevin Durant. It's not like Michael lost
a lot of playoff games, but there you go. I
was thinking about this when I it was by the
second year in the league Luca. I said, there's no
question Luca's going to end up like a top five
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scorer in league history, barring injuries. He also a very
good distributor, but he can really score. And I was
thinking about this. If I took every basketball player in
the history of the game in their prime years, who
are the most automatic points in the league? And I
think I would go I don't know the order, but
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I would go MJ, Luca, and Kareem. In Kareem's twelve
year prime, you were getting thirty four. Nobody was stopping Curreb,
so I think Luca is Now. There have been guys
who are great shot maker. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Jerry
West have been great shot makers. But if you told
me I need thirty seven points tonight, I need thirty
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seven period, I would say Luca, Michael Jordan, and Kareem
in their prime. Is that you could almost definitively say
you're gonna get it. And that's how good Luca is.
So there are times I don't think. And by the way,
is that Kareem was very lucky to get Magic as
a teammate. He was the perfect teammate that didn't need
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a lot of points, very unselfish. You know, Kareem could
have gotten a ball hog, he didn't. He got magic.
Michael needed the perfect robin to work. He wasn't always
the easiest to get along with. So Scotty was not
as ball centric. He was more of a slasher. And
Luca needs the ball more I would say usage rate
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than a Michael or a Kareem. And that's why it
is harder to figure out who works with him right now.
Kyrie is, Jalen Brunson sort of did, Porzingis did not.
So I think Luca can be harder to play with.
I always thought Kevin Durant was pretty easy basketball wise
because he didn't need the ball. You could give Katie
the ball with four seconds on the shot clock and
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he'd get a good look. Klay Thompson same thing. Catch
and shoot guy. Some guys are catching shoot guys. Luca
needs the ball, so it's going to be difficult over
the course of his career. I've said I think Denver
is the future of the West. I don't think it's
Dallas because I think the Kyrie thing would melt down eventually.
You know, everybody'll be seeking credit and Luca's gonna get
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it if he's on your team. But I will say this,
I think the Celtics Mavericks is as good as the
NBA can do for a final. Four stars, three domestic,
one huge brand, Celtics, one good brand. Dallas a Northeastern team,
a lot of population, middle of the country team West
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Coast always watches the NBA Finals, So I think it's
about I don't now again. Could Minnesota win tonight? Dallas
is an underdog. I think I like Dallas to win tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If Lively plays Minnesota four and a half point favorite, yeah,
I would take Dallas tonight and the points. I'm yeah,
And I think Dallas outright, so do I And I
also think Dallas early. I think again, Luca off a
loss Lively's back, I didn't think they played with a
great deal of urgency in spots, balls on the floor.
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This will be a big effort night for Dallas and
a big night for Luca, but he is There's just
very few people in the history of the game that
you could just say I need thirty eight tonight and
Luca could get it. And it's it's interesting as you
look at the NBA in the in the heart of
the NBA that people watched a lot, the Jordan years,
the Magic years. So many of our players, they were
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domestic and they were vertical. You know, Doctor j was vertical,
Kobe was vertical, Michael was vertical. Lebron can be vertical.
I would say the two best players in the league
today are Luka and Jokich. They are not vertical. They
sometimes look a little out of shape. I mean they
do they they they're they're they're durable, but they you know,
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they have their aches and pains.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But it's fascinating to watch. We had Jim paxon on
to what the NBA has become. It is a highly
skilled league. It's not a tough guy league. There's too
much money. Nobody wants to hit the moneymaker. It's not
a tough guy league. It is a European centric, highly
skilledly Now now Luca, I mean, when I want Luca
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play and I've seen Lebron's weight fluctuate throughout the course
of his career. There's been heavy Lebron, thinner Lebron. You know,
we're seeing Lamar Jackson now lose weight. Not sure why
that is, but I would argue there are times that
Luca likes the poundage, like he likes to be a
little heavier because based on the playoff matchup, he can
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be a harder guy to match up again against Minnesota
when they've got a guy that's on a thinner side
defending him. It looks like he almost likes another Belgian
beer before tip off. So it's it's and I've seen
Lebron do that. I've seen Lebron put on some weight,
lose some weight depending on the matchup, depending on the season.
But Luca is all time stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's more of a cerebral, ground bound.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Superstar league, right like Jokich is he could barely jump
over a piece of paint.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No, it's a ground bound, European highly skilled league. Yeah,
and I've said this before. You can go back to
those Knicks Pacers thirty for thirty series. Reggie Miller was
the only pure shooter in that series. There were multiple
guys for Indiana that you would never trust shooting an
eighteen footer, forget a three.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
The Davis Brothers, remember those guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, I mean New York legends, Oakley, Anthony, Mason,
Patrick Ewing. You don't want them on the perimeter. You
didn't trust them taking a three. You would never want that.
John Starks wasn't a pure shooter, and he was a guard.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's part of the reason Berkeley and Company bag on
Karl Anthony Town so much. He's like six eleven and
he's shooting threes all the time. Meanwhile, in Berkeley's there
were six eleven. You were down in the paint, pounding
and defending and rebounding.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Okay, so we do real journalism here, no fake news.
Earlier in the show. Earlier in the show, we had
Jay Mack a Jets fans say that there was some
squarely video on the internet. We apprehended the video. Here
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is the video of Aaron Rodgers. Now right now, he's
just taken sorry, radio audience, he has taken off his socks.
He's looking at his achilles. He's kind of checking it out.
That's not that disturbing. Looks like he's looking at a
play there, and then there's video of him moving around
on a play. He does appear to be hobbling. That
is an old man getting out of bed, hobbled as
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he rolls. Right, j Mack, what do you make of this.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Would be a bunyan a wart? Who knows? I mean,
there's a lot of speculations.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
An well, you see the guy come up with the
paper and start cutting it that it might maybe some
kind of bunyan or wart right here, I could just
be patting. But the bottom line is he's nine months
off achilles, sir, right, Like, it's not going to be smooth.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Let's not expect him to be ready until September, all right,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It looks very dramatic to me. Greg Olsen, Fox Sports,
joining US Live and his Aaron hobbles around practice. Very
controversial of just being a jerk. It's no big deal.
By the way, did you ever have an achilles? What
was your biggest surgery?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
But I had some footstuff. I broke my foot twice
that I had. I ruptured my planer fashion in both
my feet, so all my issues were feet. But uh,
I never thankfully did achilles that's like everybody's worst nightmare.
That's that's like the if you do anything in the
world is fine, you just can't tear your achilles. That's
that's always.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
The worst one.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I do think with Greg, with Aaron, their offensive line
is either old or rookies. Uh, And I think to myself,
I'd love O line like Detroit's O line is in
their prime, Atlanta's guys in their great old lines. Do
you worry a little bit with Aaron that this is
an older player when you come off an injury, Greg,
maybe you didn't, but quarterbacks have a blind side that
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you gotta Sometimes you know you're safe, but you got
to convince your brain you're upright and that Do you
worry about that? As they and by the way, Greg,
veteran offensive lineman, no longer play in the preseason. It's
the hardest unit to get cohesion. You know that you
were a blocking tight end as well as a catching one.
I've said this in a different era, I think they'd
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be fine. I worry about all the movement and all
these new faces for the Jets on the old line
not playing in the preseason. Your thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
No, it's real.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
And listen The reality is you're only gonna go as
far as those guys. We spend so much time, understandably so,
talking about quarterbacks and skill positions and the ability to
score points and systems and offensive coordinators, and yes, it's
an offensive driven league and all that.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
You can only do from a system.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
From what you ask of your quarterback to what you
ask of your skill group, you can only do what.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Your offensive line allows you to do.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
If your offensive line is not a drop back protecting group,
they're not really good five on five. They're not gonna
build the pocket, be firm in the middle, two big
tackles that can keep the wiff and the debt. You
got to be an under center play action team. If
you're a very road grading physical maybe not over the athletic,
but more of like a downhill linear offensive line, especially
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at the guards visit guard positions. You've got to be
downhill run game. You're not gonna do a lot of
wide zones. You're not gonna do a lot of penn
and pulls where you're asking your offensive line and to
get out in space. So every offense really takes on
the identity of their quarterback. Yes, but after that it
takes on the identity of their offensive line. You can
do or not do whatever they're good at or they
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struggle at. Like that's the job of an offensive coordinator.
And that's the part I don't think people spend enough
time talking about. You're gonna see teams continue to invest
in offensive lines, continue to spend.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Money in free agency draft picks.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Like, if you don't have seven offensive line at the
least six, you know that six guy that can kind
of swing and play.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Everywhere, You're gonna have to put out a lot of fires.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
You're gonna have to really rely on the the movement
of your quarterback buying time. And we saw it last
year with Mahomes. Is that O line settled in and
had their issues in the middle of the season. Is
that what you want Rodgers to be?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Like? Is he gonna run around and do all that?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I'm not sure at the age the injury. So it's
you're one hundred percent right. The offensive line sets the
tone for your identity, and I think the Jets realize that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You know, it's interesting. I really think bo Nicks was
perfect for Sean Payton. I love Michael Pennix. I think
Jaden Daniels is underrated. Caleb's terrific. I worry about Drake
May for a lot of reasons. Footwork, inconsistent, no weapons.
But my take is is that because quarterbacks now come in,
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it's a cottage industry. It's actually beyond that. It's an industry.
Quarterback play high school seven on sevens. People make livings
now dealing with high school quarterbacks. These kids come out
with ten thousand snaps? Is that I used to believe
you got three years. I don't. I believe by your
second Thanksgiving, people in the building have made a decision.
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They're not going public with it, but they've made a decision.
And I just think that's fair. I think these kids,
I mean, god, bo Nicks has sixty one college starts.
If I can't figure it out, but the second Thanksgiving,
I should fire my scout to my personnel people. When
you were in Carolina and Cam, how long does it
take for you to go yeah that works? How many snaps?
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How many practices did you drive home? Tell your wife?
Yeah we got a guy like that. That that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah. So obviously the quarterback position is the one. You know.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I think back to my first year in Carolina, we
had just we had no offseason. That was the lockout
year of twenty eleven. I got traded there right at
the start of training camp. Cam was drafted a grant
obviously earlier in the off season in April, but we
had no mini camp. We had no you know, like
the guys did some workouts, but there was nothing official,
so really we didn't know and get together as a
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group until you know, end of July, there was quarterback competition.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Jimmy Classon was the incumbent.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Starter in his second year, was the starter as a
rookie of the previous season. Obviously, we drafted Cam one overall.
After like three practices, you go back to your dorm
and you're like, he's a rookie. Obviously he's learning the system, okay,
but this dude is just different and you don't even
really know.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
How to quantify it.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's kind of like one of those things like you
can't explain it, but you know it when you see it,
Like it.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Took like three days to be like, he might make
the wrong read. He's young.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know, every young quarterback is going to go through
their growing pains, but there are not many people on
the planet that can do what this guy did.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I don't need two months to figure that out. We
need to Mason offense.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
We need to make the terminology an offense, a system
and structure that's not what's good for me, what's good
for our wide receiver, or what's good for Cam Newton.
And how do we get this dude to be the
dominant player that he was in college? How do we
put him in a position to be that dominant player?
Like we learned that pretty quickly here in Carolina, Like
we were only going to go as far as this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
And yeah, he's pretty unique and talented, so we might
as well just do what he's really good at.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
But yeah, I think this notion that it's going to
take two years, I couldn't agree with you more the
notion that it takes two years to find out whether
a guy could play or not, not at the quarterback position,
and not when you take them that high in the
draft you're a first round quarterback. I'm with you. I
got to know pretty soon. Am I onto something here?
Or we all looking for new jobs? Because let's be honest,
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if you miss you very you very rarely get a
chance to get draft.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Two quarterbacks right. Every once in a while. There's that example.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
But you take a quarterback high, it's usually because you're
stunk or you bet the farm to trade up to
get them. If that guy doesn't work out and you
don't hit the next draft day, the next quarterback day
draft is probably playing for somebody else.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's today's NFL. You don't have a million years to
figure this out.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So you are in Nashville for a few days tight
end university. Fourth year you're doing this and so ESPN
had a researcher and I forget the name, I apologize,
but he came out and said, if you go to
the last twenty drafts, the two positions first round positions
that miss the most or receiver and tight end. So
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my theory on tight end is this is why Iowa
was so good with tight end, is that most college
tight ends don't block like you're asked to block in
pro football. They can go vertical. They're that six to
six good looking athlete. But the reason you and Tony
Gonzalez worked is because you put your hands on people.
And so when you do this tight end university and
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explain it a little bit, who gets to go who
are you looking? Are these high school college. The position
to me now is unfairly paid. I think there's football
cyclical I think tight ends. I mean, there's a reason
they moved off Tyreek Hill to not Travis Kelcey, Like
there's a reason they won a Super Bowl. Who are
you talking to it this camp? And what do you
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see with young tight ends? Are they the same ten
years ago? Asked to do more or less?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, I think the position's really come a long way.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
And I think the timing of Teu and really starting
so how it started. You know, back in twenty twenty one,
I had just retired my last season out in Seattle,
and I was just going back and forth with with Kittle,
and I've gotten to know Kelsey and a bunch of
these guys, and we just had this and they were like, Hey,
let's get together in Nashville.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
That's where Kittle lives with you.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Know, a coup, you know, Hockinson and a couple other
young guys around the league that live in Nashville in
the offseason, and let's just get a handful of guys,
five ten guys and just do a couple of days workout.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I'll come down and it'll be a blast.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Well, that group grew to twenty to thirty and next thing,
you know, we're like, we're.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Onto something here. The demand and the interest we.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Got Kelsey involved obviously brings a lot of credibility. Having
Kelsey and Kittle and myself, you know, kind of spearheading this.
So we're in year four. Last year we had eighty
five guys. We do it at Vanderbilt University. They give
us their entire facility. We get meeting rooms, we get
treatment rooms. We bring in you know, pet therapist, massage,
we have people present on taking care of your body.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
We have people present on all different types of subjects.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
And then obviously the deep dive of film ware, classroom
and field is blocking route running. And you know, we
get presentation from you know, Kelsey and Kittle and Dallas
Clark was a part of it and gave a really
good presentation. So just both former and current guys the
best in the business. And if you're an NFL tight end,
you are eligible to come. So again we go from
Kelsey and Kittle, who are at the top of the
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top of the position, all the way down to young
undrafted rookies who are trying to make the team. And
the idea is share information, let's develop the position. And
I think the timing was so good because, like you said,
the evolution of the position. For when I came into
the league in seven, and there was a handful of
good tight ends, right it was Gonzales and Witting and
Gates and the tail end of Shannon Sharp. Now it
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seems like every team has a prominent guy. So it's
been really cool.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You know, we pay for it all. We put the
guys up. We have great sponsors, you know, Sharman and
bud Light.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You know, they they give us the money and the
ability to really do a first class event, and guys
come every year.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I wish we had room for two hundred guys. You know.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
It just continues to grow, and the information that shared
is just really unique. And I'm not sure there's a
position in sports or whatever that does something like this
to the level that we do it where guys just
can't wait to come back because it's both fun and
these guys leave and they say, like, I'm going to
be able to make a career based on a lot
of the things that I learned over these three days.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
By the way, a minute left, brock Bauers went to
Vegas the tight end from Georgia. He went from Napa
Valley Wine Country to the South and crushed. He's about
the best college tight end I've seen. When you watched him,
because I know you watched college football, Greg a minute left.
When you watched him, did you say Locke guarantee anything
that flawed? What did you make of him?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, I think you would have went even higher.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I know he had a little injury stuff during the
pre draft. Combine the pre draft preparation and the combines
and stuff where I'm not even sure if he ran.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think he had like a hamstring or something dealt
with a little injury, you know, last year at Georgia.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think if he would have been able to come
out the previous draft, I think you're.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Talking like a top five to seven pick.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Like I'm with, he might be the best college tight
end production wise. Just the eye test that I've ever
really seen. I mean, his size, his ability to run
in the open field. I mean he's playing sec football,
catching twelve yard dig routes and out running secondary defenders
from LSU Alabama. He's not beating up on small town guys. Yeah,
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he's really impressive. I think they got a steal with him,
and I think the combination of him and the young
kid from Notre Dame Mayor from last year that they drafted,
they got two young tight ends they can build around
and for a long time out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Greg Olsen, Fox Sports tight End University this summer June
seventeenth to the twentieth in Nashville. Everything you do is
thoughtful and smart. Appreciate you stopping by. Good luck in
the Campo Man.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I appreciate it. Thanks Tom.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, that was the thing that with brock Bauers that
jumped out to me, and I think it was Missouri.
Could be wrong, but he took an underneath route, took
a spun, and he outraced, like flying past SEC defenders
and defensive backs into the end zone. It just didn't
look like a tight end or anything close to it.
And it's interesting. Remember when the Chiefs moved off Tyreek
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Hill and they kept Travis Kelsey, there was a bit
of a woe and they've won two Super bowl since.
The tight end matters more. Jets don't have one. Tight
end matters a lot in the National Football League. The
great teams Buffalo's got a couple of really tasty tight
end Baltimore, Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You know the audience is aware. You're just needling me
on the Jets. From the Aaron Rodgers commentary moments ago
to now the lack of a tight end for the Jets.
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Speaker 4 (22:14):
Let's start with Trevor Lawrence, entering his fourth season in
the league, hasn't lived up to the hype of being
the number one overall pick just yet.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I'm optimistic, but I don't know, colle. It's been a
roller coaster for Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Injured a lot last year.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, he's in year three with coach Doug Peterson, and
his coach sees a trait that could help Lawrence take
a next big step in his development.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He's engaging.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, when we got him.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Three years ago, he was just learning our system and.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Kind of quiet and just trying to go through you
know themotions, a little bit of just trying to adapt
to us and get a feel for us. But now
he's now, he's engaging. Now he's given us ideas. Now
he's given us suggestions and ideas and and and really
becoming another uh you know, a coach has set eyes,
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you know, on the field and that and that's that's
just his growth, that's just his development as quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Like him, You like Lawrence the person or the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I like I like him. I like everything. I think.
I think it's a bigger lift there than people think.
First year was a mess. He's never really had an
elite offensive line. You know. Last year Christian Kirk got hurt.
He got hurt. So the year he was healthy, he
got him to the playoffs in the AFC. So, you know,
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I think it's it's not like you know, I say
this with respect to Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelcey, great owner,
top GM. These are not all equal, not all not
all broadcasting quarterback law firms, They're not all equal. And
I think it's a harder lift there They've been pretty
dysfunctional most of my life. Since Tom Coughlin left. They've
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they felt like they were a bit unhinged. So Doug
Peterson comes back in and I thought, you know, they
looked like they had a chance to be a playoff
team again last year and they got banged up.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So Lawrence is a tough one again. I am a
big fan.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That being said, Colin, you look at his stats last year,
fourteen interceptions, twelve fumbles. I mean, he's been a turnover
machine in the pros. Now, you can make all these
arguments you want about, well, he hasn't had the offensive line,
he hasn't had the weapons.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Man etn is a first round pick. They had Ridley
who they brought over from Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He was good.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They've had a lot of good players.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Where it irks me, and this is a larger discussion,
is that brock Perdy has one bad game. O.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Come on, he's a joke. That's why he's the last
pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Treumvor Lawrence has three mediocre seasons and it's a well, I.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Just you're not. Kyle Shanahan got Matt Ryan to a
Super Bowl, made Matt shob a Pro Bowl, or had
a winning record with Brian Hoyer, taken Brock Purty to
Super Bowls. There is a belief that Shanahan it's virtual.
You know when they traded Trey Lance and acknowledge we
can't make it work. Did they dupe the Cowboys? He's
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made everybody work. He is a winning record with like everybody.
So my takeaway is Kyle Shanahan's not just a good
offensive coach. He's literally worked wonders with everybody except one quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I may be wrong. Didn't Peterson win a Super Bowl
with like Nick Foles? Was that him?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Like Peters is a good coach, He's a good I
don't like how we just give so much runway for
some number one.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
How much runway we've given Jalen Hurtz, who really has
only given us elite production with one coordinator and we've
got he got the bag and everybody loves him. He
almost won a Super Bowl. Well again, it's it's I mean,
did Trevor Lawrence one a playoff game in the AFC?
That's something.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, it's like the Kyler Murrays of the world is well,
let's just give him another year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's like next hour we have Adam Wainwright, a twenty
year major league baseball pitcher. On if you're a top
draft pick in baseball, you can have a bad spring
and you don't get buried. You know, if you're a
thirty eight round Major League Baseball compensatory pick or whatever,
and you go to spring and suck it, you know,
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you have just a bad two weeks where you hit
a buck thirty, You're done.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I just don't think that's I don't like that, like
and it doesn't seem fair to me. For instance, Baker
Mayfield was a number one overall pick. He got a
lot of yeah he's on what nugget fourteen?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But you're he was good.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
He was great in Tampa, and maybe it was the
right fit finally, But if you're a number one or
a first round pick, you're viewed as sort of.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
A a little bit of a transcendent talent. You're like
better than the average guy, and so coaches and gms
tend to figure, we got to get him the right
support system. We looked. So if you won in high
school and been dominant in college, like Trevor Lawrence, and
you get your team to applay, that's dysfunctional. You're gonna
get second and third. That's the reality of people look
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at your they look at your college career and make assumptions.
They look at your injury, hurt career. I think a
big thing hurting Tua is it been hurt in college?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
In profile, he was healthy last year, he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's one healthy year. So I think all this stuff
resumes in life matter. I tell my kids this all
the time, like, be careful, be careful. Resumes matter. I'm
going to judge you based on your previous actions and
your previous performance. Yes, I'm going to judge you. And
if you're fragile, that's a you problem.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I that's that's fair. Resumes do matter.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But I don't think anyone's judging you based on what
you did in Tampa or Vegas or even your love.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That was thirty years ago. Trevor Lawrence was a dominant
college player four years ago and a year ago. Two
years ago, he took a team into the playoffs with
a first year, his first year in a new system,
new coach.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
No, Lawrence is going to get all the chances in
the world. And I like him. I would pay him.
I mean, I don't know that I say.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is this another one of these guys you tell me
you like and then spend eight minutes trashing him.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I think it's a fun discussion. How about that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
This is like a real discourse as opposed to like,
you know, fake stuff that's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I don't hate Trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I would like him.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I think he's a top fifteen quarterback in the league,
but talent wise, he should be way higher. Like if
you just told me who was more talented coming out
of college, Lawrence or Burrow, I.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Would say Lawrence, wouldn't you. Well, Burrow had one good season.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He was nothing at Ohio State, couldn't make like crack
the top two. And the first year at LSU he
was he was like sixteen touchdowns, fourteen picks like Burrow
had one year in college.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Lawrence. I mean, I got to defend my guy Lawrence
a little bit. I know I don't sell much.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But anyways, how about this one colin New England Patriots
and Drake May. I don't know if you saw this.
He is currently third on the depth chart in New England.
Now it's very very very early. Not getting a ton
of reps in from the sounds of Gerrod Mayo, Drake
May is not gonna be starting the season.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Here's the new coach.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Been keeping a quote side that you have the fourth
quarterbacks and how you divvy the repetitions.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Is there any concern that Drake's not getting enough?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
No, I no.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And my message is is not how many opportunities, it's
what you do with the opportunities that you get.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And look, going back to the competition part of it.
The better you do on.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
A day after day basis, not along on the field,
but also in the classroom.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The more Rephio getting going for this is gonna be
so hard. He's got a defensive rookie coach, a defensive culture,
no number one receiver, tied end or running back. O
line's okay, not great, and the last six seven drafts
have been meager. This is a tough lift. I just
don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's probably better that May is it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
First, Lint. Let somebody else take the hints Colin this.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I know the defense has a lot of guys and
a lot of Patriots fans are like, hey, lurk, defense
was good last year. Bill Belichick's gone. He's one of
the great defensive minds the NFL's ever seen.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Is this. This might be like a three Did you
see Belichick's last draft? He took two cook kickers in
three guards and based on this previous draft by the
New England and a couple of those guards couldn't play.
If they that cupboard.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is bear, it will be the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I think it's the second worst, second, maybe worst roster
in the Lake.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Carolina has more talent than New England.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, I think New England's got the worst talent in
the league. That's all Belichick. He controlled the draft. You know,
I was thinking about this the other there. You know,
Belichick is, Oh, there's a renaissance with Bill and he's friendly.
All Bill's issues are Bill. You know when when Logan
Ryan was on the show, Bill used to say, do
your job. Well, Bill didn't do his job. He started
doing the general manager's job. So he didn't listen to himself.
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Bill don't talk politics. Bill started talking politics. Bill, Hey,
do whatever it takes. Well, Bill wouldn't do whatever he takes.
He wouldn't. He didn't want to coach certain players personalities.
So like whenever I hear everybody defending Bill, and I
think Bill was a legend Bill's problems are of his
own making. Do your job means doing your job. Go
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look at their last seven drafts. Those are bills. They're awful.
I mean awful.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This is the opposite of the last discussion we just
had where you said resume matters, and you know what,
Bill Belichick went up with his resume to teams in
the NFL this offseason, and everyone's like, no fakes to
a guy who's won more than any other coach in
the history of the sport.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So I don't know, man, this looks like a three
win team for the papers.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Maybe fix it's they'll be drafting number one or two
next year. There's no doubt in my mind New England,
if you could put their schedule up, I don't know
where the wins are.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They're so irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I don't think we have the schedule with the I mean,
you know, I just had the good teams readily.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I don't know where their wins are. I've looked at
their schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They're probably listen. Maybe the defense gets keeps him in
some games.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Because the kid Gonzales, the quarterback for Moregan, he was
very good last year. Yeah, before the injury, they got
some Judon is very good.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
They got a score in this league, you got score
on this show.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I don't see it happening for the Patriots. Poor Mayo
because he seems like a nice guy. Those podium trips
a little bleak.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Final story.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Let's talk about the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
They are going to the finals, which start a week
from today. They're getting a lot of rest. That means
good news for Chris Porzingis. KP Baby hasn't played since
the first round due to a calf injury. Joe Missoula
says he's ramping up the rehab from Porzingis with intensity.
They still don't know when he's gonna return a whole week.
Come on, I gotta say he's one hundred percent ready
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for the game one, right.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
He was supposed to play at the end of the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Series the NBA basically, if Dallas wins tonight and what
do we have a week to wait now? In baseball,
that's always problematic because you're in the middle of the
football season. So in the World Series of teams wrap
up with sweeps and you sit around for five days. Well,
there's like four days are full of football, and people
forget about baseball. The NBA is kind of you know,
there's some soccer coming up here, Coba America America.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Oh, got fired up about that. Yeah, we're gonna do
some of that on the show. Sorry, guys. I know
the staff might be like, no, we're doing I like soccer.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
So yeah, but the NBA can get away with it
because they're not. There's not football gobbling up everybody's attention.
But if Dallas wins the night, and we both as
an underdog, think they will, Yeah, we got a week
to sit around and wait for a final.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Listen, there's a lot of stuff percolating, as you like
to say, you know, Paul George stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I think we'll talk about Donovan Mitchell in the final hour. Uh,
we'll see. Listen. I think NBA is in good shape
with a mab Celtics Finals.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Everybody fully rested, none of this Luca tricky mee. Like, bro,
you got like six days off, you should be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
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Speaker 1 (34:57):
We talked about this earlier. Since the NFL playoffs have
expanded to fourteen teams on average, half seven are replaced
every year. So if you go to look at last
year's NFL playoff teams, these were the teams that made
the playoffs last year fourteen, the Texans, the Browns, the Steelers,
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the Lions, the Rams, and the Packers. Six won under
the average. Since they expanded the playoffs, new teams made
the playoffs, so division winners changed. You can go look
at the division winners last year. Surprised a lot of people.
We thought Baltimore would be good. We didn't think they'd
be that good. So the Ravens won the division, and
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the Texans won the division. In the AFC new division winners,
and then the Cowboys and the Lions won a division.
So I've said, I do think if I had to
name seven teams new teams to make the playoffs, my
seven best guesses would be Bears, being Chargers, Colts, Falcons, Jags, Jets.
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Cincinnati's an obvious one. They missed the playoffs by a
single game, and Joe Burrow returns and Burrow has been
the one quarterback in the league you feel like can
go into Arrowhead Stadium and go toe to toe. Now,
it's been a noisy off season for Cincinnati, but Unlike
what j Max said that Burrow only had one good
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college year. He did have sixteen touchdowns, only five picks
the year before he came out at LSU, and he's
been sensational. The Bears have a transcendent quarterback. The Chargers
have a legitimate Cole coach. The Colts get Anthony Richardson back.
Kirk Cousins do Atlanta. You know, Jacksonville fell apart but
ended up nine to eight, so Christian Kirk's back. Brian
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Thomas drafted Trevor Lawrence healthy. Feels like they can get
a game or two better if you win ten games.
It's hard even the AFC not to make the playoffs.
And the last team I put in, although I did
see that video this morning that's highly concerning on Aaron
Rodgers is the Jets. The Jets aren't going to be great.
I do not believe an offensive line comprised of guys
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past their prime and a rookie translates into an elite
offensive line. And I think when you have an older
quarterback off an achilles surgery, you need an elite offensive line.
I don't think the Jets will have that. Also, combine
that with something Greg Olsen admitted earlier that veteran offensive
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linemen just don't take a lot of snaps in the preseason.
So the Jets schedule early is full of night games,
shorter week games with an offensive line that is trying
to figure out unity and cohesion. That's not great. They'll
get upset in one of those early games. I don't
think they're going to run the table, and I think
they lose to San Francisco. But I do think the Jets.
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If Aaron Rodgers is upright with that defense, they don't
have to win by shoot out. They don't have to
be an aesthetic masterpiece. They'll figure out ways to stay
in games and Aaron will direct traffic. Clearly, the NFL
schedule makers think the Jets will be viable because they've
got them all over TV in the first seven eight weeks.
So I do think the Jets. And you know, I'm
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critical of the Jets because I don't think they're smartly
owned and always well constructed. They missed on a left
tackle and a quarterback, and that puts you behind the
eight ball. But I do think if Aaron's upright, they'll
be a viable team and they'll be battling Miami for
a playoff spot. You know, the interesting thing is one
of the reasons that it's not difficult to predict NFL
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division winners take the best quarterback, and the best quarterback
generally wins or gets to a wild card out of
a division. What's difficult increasingly is the number of quarterbacks
getting hurt, and though the league has made every move
and rule they can to assure health for quarterbacks, the CBA,
the new CBA years ago, limited practices for offensive lines.
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So with so many college programs now outside of your Wisconsin, Michigan,
Iowa not play run the ball, downhill offense, you get
a lot of these offensive linemen. They're not good run blockers.
They're not getting to practice they need early in their
NFL career. So there are very few offensive lines in
the league that you can stamp excellent, Detroit excellent, Atlanta
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really good. I think the Rams looks pretty solid it
was last year. Denver's is getting better, but there's not
a lot of great old lines like Detroit's, the one
even San Francisco's that is more than capable at producing
big plays for a deebo or a Christian McCaffrey. Right
side of their ow lines not great. So you're gonna
have some team win a division or some good team
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not based on a quarterback injury. Again, I think it
was over sixty quarterbacks played last year. It was over
fifty three or fifty four the previous year. That's the reality.
O lines are bad. Fewer elite people are moving, they're
not practicing as much, they're not playing in the preseas.
You know, Sean McVay kind of screwed up the NFL
August because he refused to play top players and he snaps.
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People criticized him for it. Your team won't be ready.
They went eight to no, and then everybody copied suit,
Like everybody followed suit. Why are we playing this? So
the young coaches, he's a bit of a robin hood
with the young coaches. They follow in line with McVay.
They just don't play veteran players. Well, the old line
needs snaps, especially new old lineman and old old lineman.
They gotta get snaps, and they just don't take him anymore.
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So there you go. J Max saying something nice about
the Jets. I don't think they have a chance to
be great, but I do think they could be good
to very good based on health and Aaron being upright.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So I called up the Super Bowl odds on one
of these sportsbooks to match up.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
With your teams.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And if you don't think the Cowboys are gonna make
the playoffs, there's a yes. No Cowboys make the playoffs.
Bet no for Dallas is plus one seventy. So if
you don't think the Cowboys are going to the playoffs, that's
a that's a good wager. Now, I will say the
two that jump out the Colts to make the playoffs,
it seems like they're a long shout of according to.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
This port that's not necessarily anti Colts. It's pro Jags
and Texans. We think the division's much the vision is difficult.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
And then the only other one. You might be surprised
to hear this. You have them last year making the playoffs.
Rams plus one hundred, Yes to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Do you think they're in I think they're in the
Super Bowl bubble. I think the Rams really, I thought
they had another stellar draft, back to back great drafts.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Super Bowl bub I think they are the Jets in
the Super Bowl bubble. No, yep, especially after that Aaron
Rodgers did it.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Have lunch with less need today.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
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No, not late night. I was in bed by eight forty,
not saying I didn't get a little loosey it so
I I just saw this that the MAVs lost a
close game to the Tea Wall and Luca didn't shoot
particularly well. Following a playoff loss, Luca averages thirty four
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points a game on almost fifty percent shooting. In the
history of the NBA, the history of the league. Luca
averages more points per game after a loss than any
player ever, outscoring Michael Jordan by a point. Probably part
of that's three point shot So these are the most
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points following a playoff loss in league history. Luca, Jordan, Iverson,
Jerry West, and Kevin Durant. It's not like Michael lost
a lot of playoff games, but there you go. I
was thinking about this when I it was by the
second year in the league Luca. I said, there's no
question Luca's going to end up like a top five
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scorer in league history, barring injuries. He also a very
good distributor, but he can really score. And I was
thinking about this. If I took every basketball player in
the history of the game in their prime years, who
are the most automatic points in the league? And I
think I would go I don't know the order, but
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I would go MJ, Luca, and Kareem. In Kareem's twelve
year prime, you were getting thirty four. Nobody was stopping Curreb,
so I think Luca is Now. There have been guys
who are great shot maker. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Jerry
West have been great shot makers. But if you told
me I need thirty seven points tonight, I need thirty
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seven period, I would say Luca, Michael Jordan, and Kareem
in their prime. Is that you could almost definitively say
you're gonna get it. And that's how good Luca is.
So there are times I don't think. And by the way,
is that Kareem was very lucky to get Magic as
a teammate. He was the perfect teammate that didn't need
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a lot of points, very unselfish. You know, Kareem could
have gotten a ball hog, he didn't. He got magic.
Michael needed the perfect robin to work. He wasn't always
the easiest to get along with. So Scotty was not
as ball centric. He was more of a slasher. And
Luca needs the ball more I would say usage rate
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than a Michael or a Kareem. And that's why it
is harder to figure out who works with him right now.
Kyrie is, Jalen Brunson sort of did, Porzingis did not.
So I think Luca can be harder to play with.
I always thought Kevin Durant was pretty easy basketball wise
because he didn't need the ball. You could give Katie
the ball with four seconds on the shot clock and
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he'd get a good look. Klay Thompson same thing. Catch
and shoot guy. Some guys are catching shoot guys. Luca
needs the ball, so it's going to be difficult over
the course of his career. I've said I think Denver
is the future of the West. I don't think it's
Dallas because I think the Kyrie thing would melt down eventually.
You know, everybody'll be seeking credit and Luca's gonna get
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it if he's on your team. But I will say this,
I think the Celtics Mavericks is as good as the
NBA can do for a final. Four stars, three domestic,
one huge brand, Celtics, one good brand. Dallas a Northeastern team,
a lot of population, middle of the country team West
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Coast always watches the NBA Finals, So I think it's
about I don't now again. Could Minnesota win tonight? Dallas
is an underdog. I think I like Dallas to win tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If Lively plays Minnesota four and a half point favorite, yeah,
I would take Dallas tonight and the points. I'm yeah,
And I think Dallas outright, so do I And I
also think Dallas early. I think again, Luca off a
loss Lively's back, I didn't think they played with a
great deal of urgency in spots, balls on the floor.
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This will be a big effort night for Dallas and
a big night for Luca, but he is There's just
very few people in the history of the game that
you could just say I need thirty eight tonight and
Luca could get it. And it's it's interesting as you
look at the NBA in the in the heart of
the NBA that people watched a lot, the Jordan years,
the Magic years. So many of our players, they were
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domestic and they were vertical. You know, Doctor j was vertical,
Kobe was vertical, Michael was vertical. Lebron can be vertical.
I would say the two best players in the league
today are Luka and Jokich. They are not vertical. They
sometimes look a little out of shape. I mean they
do they they they're they're they're durable, but they you know,
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they have their aches and pains.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But it's fascinating to watch. We had Jim paxon on
to what the NBA has become. It is a highly
skilled league. It's not a tough guy league. There's too
much money. Nobody wants to hit the moneymaker. It's not
a tough guy league. It is a European centric, highly
skilledly Now now Luca, I mean, when I want Luca
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play and I've seen Lebron's weight fluctuate throughout the course
of his career. There's been heavy Lebron, thinner Lebron. You know,
we're seeing Lamar Jackson now lose weight. Not sure why
that is, but I would argue there are times that
Luca likes the poundage, like he likes to be a
little heavier because based on the playoff matchup, he can
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be a harder guy to match up again against Minnesota
when they've got a guy that's on a thinner side
defending him. It looks like he almost likes another Belgian
beer before tip off. So it's it's and I've seen
Lebron do that. I've seen Lebron put on some weight,
lose some weight depending on the matchup, depending on the season.
But Luca is all time stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's more of a cerebral, ground bound.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Superstar league, right like Jokich is he could barely jump
over a piece of paint.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No, it's a ground bound, European highly skilled league. Yeah,
and I've said this before. You can go back to
those Knicks Pacers thirty for thirty series. Reggie Miller was
the only pure shooter in that series. There were multiple
guys for Indiana that you would never trust shooting an
eighteen footer, forget a three.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
The Davis Brothers, remember those guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, I mean New York legends, Oakley, Anthony, Mason,
Patrick Ewing. You don't want them on the perimeter. You
didn't trust them taking a three. You would never want that.
John Starks wasn't a pure shooter, and he was a guard.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's part of the reason Berkeley and Company bag on
Karl Anthony Town so much. He's like six eleven and
he's shooting threes all the time. Meanwhile, in Berkeley's there
were six eleven. You were down in the paint, pounding
and defending and rebounding.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Okay, so we do real journalism here, no fake news.
Earlier in the show. Earlier in the show, we had
Jay Mack a Jets fans say that there was some
squarely video on the internet. We apprehended the video. Here
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is the video of Aaron Rodgers. Now right now, he's
just taken sorry, radio audience, he has taken off his socks.
He's looking at his achilles. He's kind of checking it out.
That's not that disturbing. Looks like he's looking at a
play there, and then there's video of him moving around
on a play. He does appear to be hobbling. That
is an old man getting out of bed, hobbled as
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he rolls. Right, j Mack, what do you make of this.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Would be a bunyan a wart? Who knows? I mean,
there's a lot of speculations.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
An well, you see the guy come up with the
paper and start cutting it that it might maybe some
kind of bunyan or wart right here, I could just
be patting. But the bottom line is he's nine months
off achilles, sir, right, Like, it's not going to be smooth.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Let's not expect him to be ready until September, all right,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It looks very dramatic to me. Greg Olsen, Fox Sports,
joining US Live and his Aaron hobbles around practice. Very
controversial of just being a jerk. It's no big deal.
By the way, did you ever have an achilles? What
was your biggest surgery?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
But I had some footstuff. I broke my foot twice
that I had. I ruptured my planer fashion in both
my feet, so all my issues were feet. But uh,
I never thankfully did achilles that's like everybody's worst nightmare.
That's that's like the if you do anything in the
world is fine, you just can't tear your achilles. That's
that's always.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
The worst one.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I do think with Greg, with Aaron, their offensive line
is either old or rookies. Uh, And I think to myself,
I'd love O line like Detroit's O line is in
their prime, Atlanta's guys in their great old lines. Do
you worry a little bit with Aaron that this is
an older player when you come off an injury, Greg,
maybe you didn't, but quarterbacks have a blind side that
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you gotta Sometimes you know you're safe, but you got
to convince your brain you're upright and that Do you
worry about that? As they and by the way, Greg,
veteran offensive lineman, no longer play in the preseason. It's
the hardest unit to get cohesion. You know that you
were a blocking tight end as well as a catching one.
I've said this in a different era, I think they'd
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be fine. I worry about all the movement and all
these new faces for the Jets on the old line
not playing in the preseason. Your thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
No, it's real.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
And listen The reality is you're only gonna go as
far as those guys. We spend so much time, understandably so,
talking about quarterbacks and skill positions and the ability to
score points and systems and offensive coordinators, and yes, it's
an offensive driven league and all that.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
You can only do from a system.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
From what you ask of your quarterback to what you
ask of your skill group, you can only do what.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Your offensive line allows you to do.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
If your offensive line is not a drop back protecting group,
they're not really good five on five. They're not gonna
build the pocket, be firm in the middle, two big
tackles that can keep the wiff and the debt. You
got to be an under center play action team. If
you're a very road grading physical maybe not over the athletic,
but more of like a downhill linear offensive line, especially
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at the guards visit guard positions. You've got to be
downhill run game. You're not gonna do a lot of
wide zones. You're not gonna do a lot of penn
and pulls where you're asking your offensive line and to
get out in space. So every offense really takes on
the identity of their quarterback. Yes, but after that it
takes on the identity of their offensive line. You can
do or not do whatever they're good at or they
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struggle at. Like that's the job of an offensive coordinator.
And that's the part I don't think people spend enough
time talking about. You're gonna see teams continue to invest
in offensive lines, continue to spend.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Money in free agency draft picks.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Like, if you don't have seven offensive line at the
least six, you know that six guy that can kind
of swing and play.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Everywhere, You're gonna have to put out a lot of fires.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
You're gonna have to really rely on the the movement
of your quarterback buying time. And we saw it last
year with Mahomes. Is that O line settled in and
had their issues in the middle of the season. Is
that what you want Rodgers to be?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Like? Is he gonna run around and do all that?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I'm not sure at the age the injury. So it's
you're one hundred percent right. The offensive line sets the
tone for your identity, and I think the Jets realize that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You know, it's interesting. I really think bo Nicks was
perfect for Sean Payton. I love Michael Pennix. I think
Jaden Daniels is underrated. Caleb's terrific. I worry about Drake
May for a lot of reasons. Footwork, inconsistent, no weapons.
But my take is is that because quarterbacks now come in,
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it's a cottage industry. It's actually beyond that. It's an industry.
Quarterback play high school seven on sevens. People make livings
now dealing with high school quarterbacks. These kids come out
with ten thousand snaps? Is that I used to believe
you got three years. I don't. I believe by your
second Thanksgiving, people in the building have made a decision.
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They're not going public with it, but they've made a decision.
And I just think that's fair. I think these kids,
I mean, god, bo Nicks has sixty one college starts.
If I can't figure it out, but the second Thanksgiving,
I should fire my scout to my personnel people. When
you were in Carolina and Cam, how long does it
take for you to go yeah that works? How many snaps?
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How many practices did you drive home? Tell your wife?
Yeah we got a guy like that. That that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah. So obviously the quarterback position is the one. You know.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I think back to my first year in Carolina, we
had just we had no offseason. That was the lockout
year of twenty eleven. I got traded there right at
the start of training camp. Cam was drafted a grant
obviously earlier in the off season in April, but we
had no mini camp. We had no you know, like
the guys did some workouts, but there was nothing official,
so really we didn't know and get together as a
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group until you know, end of July, there was quarterback competition.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Jimmy Classon was the incumbent.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Starter in his second year, was the starter as a
rookie of the previous season. Obviously, we drafted Cam one overall.
After like three practices, you go back to your dorm
and you're like, he's a rookie. Obviously he's learning the system, okay,
but this dude is just different and you don't even
really know.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
How to quantify it.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's kind of like one of those things like you
can't explain it, but you know it when you see it,
Like it.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Took like three days to be like, he might make
the wrong read. He's young.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know, every young quarterback is going to go through
their growing pains, but there are not many people on
the planet that can do what this guy did.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I don't need two months to figure that out. We
need to Mason offense.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
We need to make the terminology an offense, a system
and structure that's not what's good for me, what's good
for our wide receiver, or what's good for Cam Newton.
And how do we get this dude to be the
dominant player that he was in college? How do we
put him in a position to be that dominant player?
Like we learned that pretty quickly here in Carolina, Like
we were only going to go as far as this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
And yeah, he's pretty unique and talented, so we might
as well just do what he's really good at.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
But yeah, I think this notion that it's going to
take two years, I couldn't agree with you more the
notion that it takes two years to find out whether
a guy could play or not, not at the quarterback position,
and not when you take them that high in the
draft you're a first round quarterback. I'm with you. I
got to know pretty soon. Am I onto something here?
Or we all looking for new jobs? Because let's be honest,
(15:16):
if you miss you very you very rarely get a
chance to get draft.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Two quarterbacks right. Every once in a while. There's that example.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
But you take a quarterback high, it's usually because you're
stunk or you bet the farm to trade up to
get them. If that guy doesn't work out and you
don't hit the next draft day, the next quarterback day
draft is probably playing for somebody else.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's today's NFL. You don't have a million years to
figure this out.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So you are in Nashville for a few days tight
end university. Fourth year you're doing this and so ESPN
had a researcher and I forget the name, I apologize,
but he came out and said, if you go to
the last twenty drafts, the two positions first round positions
that miss the most or receiver and tight end. So
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my theory on tight end is this is why Iowa
was so good with tight end, is that most college
tight ends don't block like you're asked to block in
pro football. They can go vertical. They're that six to
six good looking athlete. But the reason you and Tony
Gonzalez worked is because you put your hands on people.
And so when you do this tight end university and
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explain it a little bit, who gets to go who
are you looking? Are these high school college. The position
to me now is unfairly paid. I think there's football
cyclical I think tight ends. I mean, there's a reason
they moved off Tyreek Hill to not Travis Kelcey, Like
there's a reason they won a Super Bowl. Who are
you talking to it this camp? And what do you
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see with young tight ends? Are they the same ten
years ago? Asked to do more or less?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, I think the position's really come a long way.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
And I think the timing of Teu and really starting
so how it started. You know, back in twenty twenty one,
I had just retired my last season out in Seattle,
and I was just going back and forth with with Kittle,
and I've gotten to know Kelsey and a bunch of
these guys, and we just had this and they were like, Hey,
let's get together in Nashville.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
That's where Kittle lives with you.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Know, a coup, you know, Hockinson and a couple other
young guys around the league that live in Nashville in
the offseason, and let's just get a handful of guys,
five ten guys and just do a couple of days workout.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I'll come down and it'll be a blast.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Well, that group grew to twenty to thirty and next thing,
you know, we're like, we're.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Onto something here. The demand and the interest we.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Got Kelsey involved obviously brings a lot of credibility. Having
Kelsey and Kittle and myself, you know, kind of spearheading this.
So we're in year four. Last year we had eighty
five guys. We do it at Vanderbilt University. They give
us their entire facility. We get meeting rooms, we get
treatment rooms. We bring in you know, pet therapist, massage,
we have people present on taking care of your body.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
We have people present on all different types of subjects.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
And then obviously the deep dive of film ware, classroom
and field is blocking route running. And you know, we
get presentation from you know, Kelsey and Kittle and Dallas
Clark was a part of it and gave a really
good presentation. So just both former and current guys the
best in the business. And if you're an NFL tight end,
you are eligible to come. So again we go from
Kelsey and Kittle, who are at the top of the
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top of the position, all the way down to young
undrafted rookies who are trying to make the team. And
the idea is share information, let's develop the position. And
I think the timing was so good because, like you said,
the evolution of the position. For when I came into
the league in seven, and there was a handful of
good tight ends, right it was Gonzales and Witting and
Gates and the tail end of Shannon Sharp. Now it
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seems like every team has a prominent guy. So it's
been really cool.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You know, we pay for it all. We put the
guys up. We have great sponsors, you know, Sharman and
bud Light.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You know, they they give us the money and the
ability to really do a first class event, and guys
come every year.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I wish we had room for two hundred guys. You know.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
It just continues to grow, and the information that shared
is just really unique. And I'm not sure there's a
position in sports or whatever that does something like this
to the level that we do it where guys just
can't wait to come back because it's both fun and
these guys leave and they say, like, I'm going to
be able to make a career based on a lot
of the things that I learned over these three days.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
By the way, a minute left, brock Bauers went to
Vegas the tight end from Georgia. He went from Napa
Valley Wine Country to the South and crushed. He's about
the best college tight end I've seen. When you watched him,
because I know you watched college football, Greg a minute left.
When you watched him, did you say Locke guarantee anything
that flawed? What did you make of him?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, I think you would have went even higher.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I know he had a little injury stuff during the
pre draft. Combine the pre draft preparation and the combines
and stuff where I'm not even sure if he ran.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think he had like a hamstring or something dealt
with a little injury, you know, last year at Georgia.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think if he would have been able to come
out the previous draft, I think you're.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Talking like a top five to seven pick.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Like I'm with, he might be the best college tight
end production wise. Just the eye test that I've ever
really seen. I mean, his size, his ability to run
in the open field. I mean he's playing sec football,
catching twelve yard dig routes and out running secondary defenders
from LSU Alabama. He's not beating up on small town guys. Yeah,
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he's really impressive. I think they got a steal with him,
and I think the combination of him and the young
kid from Notre Dame Mayor from last year that they drafted,
they got two young tight ends they can build around
and for a long time out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Greg Olsen, Fox Sports tight End University this summer June
seventeenth to the twentieth in Nashville. Everything you do is
thoughtful and smart. Appreciate you stopping by. Good luck in
the Campo Man.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I appreciate it. Thanks Tom.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, that was the thing that with brock Bauers that
jumped out to me, and I think it was Missouri.
Could be wrong, but he took an underneath route, took
a spun, and he outraced, like flying past SEC defenders
and defensive backs into the end zone. It just didn't
look like a tight end or anything close to it.
And it's interesting. Remember when the Chiefs moved off Tyreek
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Hill and they kept Travis Kelsey, there was a bit
of a woe and they've won two Super bowl since.
The tight end matters more. Jets don't have one. Tight
end matters a lot in the National Football League. The
great teams Buffalo's got a couple of really tasty tight
end Baltimore, Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You know the audience is aware. You're just needling me
on the Jets. From the Aaron Rodgers commentary moments ago
to now the lack of a tight end for the Jets.
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Speaker 4 (22:14):
Let's start with Trevor Lawrence, entering his fourth season in
the league, hasn't lived up to the hype of being
the number one overall pick just yet.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I'm optimistic, but I don't know, colle. It's been a
roller coaster for Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Injured a lot last year.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, he's in year three with coach Doug Peterson, and
his coach sees a trait that could help Lawrence take
a next big step in his development.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He's engaging.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, when we got him.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Three years ago, he was just learning our system and.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Kind of quiet and just trying to go through you
know themotions, a little bit of just trying to adapt
to us and get a feel for us. But now
he's now, he's engaging. Now he's given us ideas. Now
he's given us suggestions and ideas and and and really
becoming another uh you know, a coach has set eyes,
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you know, on the field and that and that's that's
just his growth, that's just his development as quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Like him, You like Lawrence the person or the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I like I like him. I like everything. I think.
I think it's a bigger lift there than people think.
First year was a mess. He's never really had an
elite offensive line. You know. Last year Christian Kirk got hurt.
He got hurt. So the year he was healthy, he
got him to the playoffs in the AFC. So, you know,
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I think it's it's not like you know, I say
this with respect to Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelcey, great owner,
top GM. These are not all equal, not all not
all broadcasting quarterback law firms, They're not all equal. And
I think it's a harder lift there They've been pretty
dysfunctional most of my life. Since Tom Coughlin left. They've
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they felt like they were a bit unhinged. So Doug
Peterson comes back in and I thought, you know, they
looked like they had a chance to be a playoff
team again last year and they got banged up.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So Lawrence is a tough one again. I am a
big fan.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That being said, Colin, you look at his stats last year,
fourteen interceptions, twelve fumbles. I mean, he's been a turnover
machine in the pros. Now, you can make all these
arguments you want about, well, he hasn't had the offensive line,
he hasn't had the weapons.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Man etn is a first round pick. They had Ridley
who they brought over from Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He was good.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They've had a lot of good players.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Where it irks me, and this is a larger discussion,
is that brock Perdy has one bad game. O.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Come on, he's a joke. That's why he's the last
pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Treumvor Lawrence has three mediocre seasons and it's a well, I.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Just you're not. Kyle Shanahan got Matt Ryan to a
Super Bowl, made Matt shob a Pro Bowl, or had
a winning record with Brian Hoyer, taken Brock Purty to
Super Bowls. There is a belief that Shanahan it's virtual.
You know when they traded Trey Lance and acknowledge we
can't make it work. Did they dupe the Cowboys? He's
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made everybody work. He is a winning record with like everybody.
So my takeaway is Kyle Shanahan's not just a good
offensive coach. He's literally worked wonders with everybody except one quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I may be wrong. Didn't Peterson win a Super Bowl
with like Nick Foles? Was that him?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Like Peters is a good coach, He's a good I
don't like how we just give so much runway for
some number one.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
How much runway we've given Jalen Hurtz, who really has
only given us elite production with one coordinator and we've
got he got the bag and everybody loves him. He
almost won a Super Bowl. Well again, it's it's I mean,
did Trevor Lawrence one a playoff game in the AFC?
That's something.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, it's like the Kyler Murrays of the world is well,
let's just give him another year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's like next hour we have Adam Wainwright, a twenty
year major league baseball pitcher. On if you're a top
draft pick in baseball, you can have a bad spring
and you don't get buried. You know, if you're a
thirty eight round Major League Baseball compensatory pick or whatever,
and you go to spring and suck it, you know,
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you have just a bad two weeks where you hit
a buck thirty, You're done.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I just don't think that's I don't like that, like
and it doesn't seem fair to me. For instance, Baker
Mayfield was a number one overall pick. He got a
lot of yeah he's on what nugget fourteen?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But you're he was good.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
He was great in Tampa, and maybe it was the
right fit finally, But if you're a number one or
a first round pick, you're viewed as sort of.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
A a little bit of a transcendent talent. You're like
better than the average guy, and so coaches and gms
tend to figure, we got to get him the right
support system. We looked. So if you won in high
school and been dominant in college, like Trevor Lawrence, and
you get your team to applay, that's dysfunctional. You're gonna
get second and third. That's the reality of people look
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at your they look at your college career and make assumptions.
They look at your injury, hurt career. I think a
big thing hurting Tua is it been hurt in college?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
In profile, he was healthy last year, he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's one healthy year. So I think all this stuff
resumes in life matter. I tell my kids this all
the time, like, be careful, be careful. Resumes matter. I'm
going to judge you based on your previous actions and
your previous performance. Yes, I'm going to judge you. And
if you're fragile, that's a you problem.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I that's that's fair. Resumes do matter.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But I don't think anyone's judging you based on what
you did in Tampa or Vegas or even your love.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That was thirty years ago. Trevor Lawrence was a dominant
college player four years ago and a year ago. Two
years ago, he took a team into the playoffs with
a first year, his first year in a new system,
new coach.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
No, Lawrence is going to get all the chances in
the world. And I like him. I would pay him.
I mean, I don't know that I say.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is this another one of these guys you tell me
you like and then spend eight minutes trashing him.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I think it's a fun discussion. How about that.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
This is like a real discourse as opposed to like,
you know, fake stuff that's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I don't hate Trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I would like him.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I think he's a top fifteen quarterback in the league,
but talent wise, he should be way higher. Like if
you just told me who was more talented coming out
of college, Lawrence or Burrow, I.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Would say Lawrence, wouldn't you. Well, Burrow had one good season.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He was nothing at Ohio State, couldn't make like crack
the top two. And the first year at LSU he
was he was like sixteen touchdowns, fourteen picks like Burrow
had one year in college.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Lawrence. I mean, I got to defend my guy Lawrence
a little bit. I know I don't sell much.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But anyways, how about this one colin New England Patriots
and Drake May. I don't know if you saw this.
He is currently third on the depth chart in New England.
Now it's very very very early. Not getting a ton
of reps in from the sounds of Gerrod Mayo, Drake
May is not gonna be starting the season.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Here's the new coach.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Been keeping a quote side that you have the fourth
quarterbacks and how you divvy the repetitions.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Is there any concern that Drake's not getting enough?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
No, I no.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And my message is is not how many opportunities, it's
what you do with the opportunities that you get.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And look, going back to the competition part of it.
The better you do on.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
A day after day basis, not along on the field,
but also in the classroom.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The more Rephio getting going for this is gonna be
so hard. He's got a defensive rookie coach, a defensive culture,
no number one receiver, tied end or running back. O
line's okay, not great, and the last six seven drafts
have been meager. This is a tough lift. I just
don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's probably better that May is it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
First, Lint. Let somebody else take the hints Colin this.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I know the defense has a lot of guys and
a lot of Patriots fans are like, hey, lurk, defense
was good last year. Bill Belichick's gone. He's one of
the great defensive minds the NFL's ever seen.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Is this. This might be like a three Did you
see Belichick's last draft? He took two cook kickers in
three guards and based on this previous draft by the
New England and a couple of those guards couldn't play.
If they that cupboard.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is bear, it will be the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I think it's the second worst, second, maybe worst roster
in the Lake.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Carolina has more talent than New England.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, I think New England's got the worst talent in
the league. That's all Belichick. He controlled the draft. You know,
I was thinking about this the other there. You know,
Belichick is, Oh, there's a renaissance with Bill and he's friendly.
All Bill's issues are Bill. You know when when Logan
Ryan was on the show, Bill used to say, do
your job. Well, Bill didn't do his job. He started
doing the general manager's job. So he didn't listen to himself.
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Bill don't talk politics. Bill started talking politics. Bill, Hey,
do whatever it takes. Well, Bill wouldn't do whatever he takes.
He wouldn't. He didn't want to coach certain players personalities.
So like whenever I hear everybody defending Bill, and I
think Bill was a legend Bill's problems are of his
own making. Do your job means doing your job. Go
(31:08):
look at their last seven drafts. Those are bills. They're awful.
I mean awful.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This is the opposite of the last discussion we just
had where you said resume matters, and you know what,
Bill Belichick went up with his resume to teams in
the NFL this offseason, and everyone's like, no fakes to
a guy who's won more than any other coach in
the history of the sport.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So I don't know, man, this looks like a three
win team for the papers.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Maybe fix it's they'll be drafting number one or two
next year. There's no doubt in my mind New England,
if you could put their schedule up, I don't know
where the wins are.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They're so irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I don't think we have the schedule with the I mean,
you know, I just had the good teams readily.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I don't know where their wins are. I've looked at
their schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They're probably listen. Maybe the defense gets keeps him in
some games.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Because the kid Gonzales, the quarterback for Moregan, he was
very good last year. Yeah, before the injury, they got
some Judon is very good.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
They got a score in this league, you got score
on this show.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I don't see it happening for the Patriots. Poor Mayo
because he seems like a nice guy. Those podium trips
a little bleak.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Final story.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Let's talk about the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
They are going to the finals, which start a week
from today. They're getting a lot of rest. That means
good news for Chris Porzingis. KP Baby hasn't played since
the first round due to a calf injury. Joe Missoula
says he's ramping up the rehab from Porzingis with intensity.
They still don't know when he's gonna return a whole week.
Come on, I gotta say he's one hundred percent ready
(32:31):
for the game one, right.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
He was supposed to play at the end of the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Series the NBA basically, if Dallas wins tonight and what
do we have a week to wait now? In baseball,
that's always problematic because you're in the middle of the
football season. So in the World Series of teams wrap
up with sweeps and you sit around for five days. Well,
there's like four days are full of football, and people
forget about baseball. The NBA is kind of you know,
there's some soccer coming up here, Coba America America.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Oh, got fired up about that. Yeah, we're gonna do
some of that on the show. Sorry, guys. I know
the staff might be like, no, we're doing I like soccer.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
So yeah, but the NBA can get away with it
because they're not. There's not football gobbling up everybody's attention.
But if Dallas wins the night, and we both as
an underdog, think they will, Yeah, we got a week
to sit around and wait for a final.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Listen, there's a lot of stuff percolating, as you like
to say, you know, Paul George stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I think we'll talk about Donovan Mitchell in the final hour. Uh,
we'll see. Listen. I think NBA is in good shape
with a mab Celtics Finals.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Everybody fully rested, none of this Luca tricky mee. Like, bro,
you got like six days off, you should be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (34:57):
We talked about this earlier. Since the NFL playoffs have
expanded to fourteen teams on average, half seven are replaced
every year. So if you go to look at last
year's NFL playoff teams, these were the teams that made
the playoffs last year fourteen, the Texans, the Browns, the Steelers,
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the Lions, the Rams, and the Packers. Six won under
the average. Since they expanded the playoffs, new teams made
the playoffs, so division winners changed. You can go look
at the division winners last year. Surprised a lot of people.
We thought Baltimore would be good. We didn't think they'd
be that good. So the Ravens won the division, and
(35:41):
the Texans won the division. In the AFC new division winners,
and then the Cowboys and the Lions won a division.
So I've said, I do think if I had to
name seven teams new teams to make the playoffs, my
seven best guesses would be Bears, being Chargers, Colts, Falcons, Jags, Jets.
(36:04):
Cincinnati's an obvious one. They missed the playoffs by a
single game, and Joe Burrow returns and Burrow has been
the one quarterback in the league you feel like can
go into Arrowhead Stadium and go toe to toe. Now,
it's been a noisy off season for Cincinnati, but Unlike
what j Max said that Burrow only had one good
(36:24):
college year. He did have sixteen touchdowns, only five picks
the year before he came out at LSU, and he's
been sensational. The Bears have a transcendent quarterback. The Chargers
have a legitimate Cole coach. The Colts get Anthony Richardson back.
Kirk Cousins do Atlanta. You know, Jacksonville fell apart but
ended up nine to eight, so Christian Kirk's back. Brian
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Thomas drafted Trevor Lawrence healthy. Feels like they can get
a game or two better if you win ten games.
It's hard even the AFC not to make the playoffs.
And the last team I put in, although I did
see that video this morning that's highly concerning on Aaron
Rodgers is the Jets. The Jets aren't going to be great.
I do not believe an offensive line comprised of guys
(37:11):
past their prime and a rookie translates into an elite
offensive line. And I think when you have an older
quarterback off an achilles surgery, you need an elite offensive line.
I don't think the Jets will have that. Also, combine
that with something Greg Olsen admitted earlier that veteran offensive
(37:32):
linemen just don't take a lot of snaps in the preseason.
So the Jets schedule early is full of night games,
shorter week games with an offensive line that is trying
to figure out unity and cohesion. That's not great. They'll
get upset in one of those early games. I don't
think they're going to run the table, and I think
they lose to San Francisco. But I do think the Jets.
(37:55):
If Aaron Rodgers is upright with that defense, they don't
have to win by shoot out. They don't have to
be an aesthetic masterpiece. They'll figure out ways to stay
in games and Aaron will direct traffic. Clearly, the NFL
schedule makers think the Jets will be viable because they've
got them all over TV in the first seven eight weeks.
So I do think the Jets. And you know, I'm
(38:17):
critical of the Jets because I don't think they're smartly
owned and always well constructed. They missed on a left
tackle and a quarterback, and that puts you behind the
eight ball. But I do think if Aaron's upright, they'll
be a viable team and they'll be battling Miami for
a playoff spot. You know, the interesting thing is one
of the reasons that it's not difficult to predict NFL
(38:41):
division winners take the best quarterback, and the best quarterback
generally wins or gets to a wild card out of
a division. What's difficult increasingly is the number of quarterbacks
getting hurt, and though the league has made every move
and rule they can to assure health for quarterbacks, the CBA,
the new CBA years ago, limited practices for offensive lines.
(39:04):
So with so many college programs now outside of your Wisconsin, Michigan,
Iowa not play run the ball, downhill offense, you get
a lot of these offensive linemen. They're not good run blockers.
They're not getting to practice they need early in their
NFL career. So there are very few offensive lines in
the league that you can stamp excellent, Detroit excellent, Atlanta
(39:29):
really good. I think the Rams looks pretty solid it
was last year. Denver's is getting better, but there's not
a lot of great old lines like Detroit's, the one
even San Francisco's that is more than capable at producing
big plays for a deebo or a Christian McCaffrey. Right
side of their ow lines not great. So you're gonna
have some team win a division or some good team
(39:53):
not based on a quarterback injury. Again, I think it
was over sixty quarterbacks played last year. It was over
fifty three or fifty four the previous year. That's the reality.
O lines are bad. Fewer elite people are moving, they're
not practicing as much, they're not playing in the preseas.
You know, Sean McVay kind of screwed up the NFL
August because he refused to play top players and he snaps.
(40:15):
People criticized him for it. Your team won't be ready.
They went eight to no, and then everybody copied suit,
Like everybody followed suit. Why are we playing this? So
the young coaches, he's a bit of a robin hood
with the young coaches. They follow in line with McVay.
They just don't play veteran players. Well, the old line
needs snaps, especially new old lineman and old old lineman.
They gotta get snaps, and they just don't take him anymore.
(40:38):
So there you go. J Max saying something nice about
the Jets. I don't think they have a chance to
be great, but I do think they could be good
to very good based on health and Aaron being upright.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So I called up the Super Bowl odds on one
of these sportsbooks to match up.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
With your teams.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And if you don't think the Cowboys are gonna make
the playoffs, there's a yes. No Cowboys make the playoffs.
Bet no for Dallas is plus one seventy. So if
you don't think the Cowboys are going to the playoffs, that's
a that's a good wager. Now, I will say the
two that jump out the Colts to make the playoffs,
it seems like they're a long shout of according to.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
This port that's not necessarily anti Colts. It's pro Jags
and Texans. We think the division's much the vision is difficult.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
And then the only other one. You might be surprised
to hear this. You have them last year making the playoffs.
Rams plus one hundred, Yes to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Do you think they're in I think they're in the
Super Bowl bubble. I think the Rams really, I thought
they had another stellar draft, back to back great drafts.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Super Bowl bub I think they are the Jets in
the Super Bowl bubble. No, yep, especially after that Aaron
Rodgers did it.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Have lunch with less need today.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Very very very concerning video
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