June 3, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin explains how the Vikings paying Justin Jefferson $140 million dollars is a smart move, Caitlin Clark not only dominates the weekend news cycle
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Monday live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurd. Wherever you may be and however you
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One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin
was wrong, plenty of both, Joel Klatt. In one hour,
we got a lot of things to talk about as
college football, the scheduling coming out, the TV games, the scheduling.
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It's fantastic, Jamact. I know it's that May June area
and we have to sit around and wait a few
days for the NBA Finals. But something happened this morning.
That's a big deal. It's happening all the time a little.
People are worried about bubbles, tech, bubble, real estate, bubble,
wide receiver, bubble, Well did it burst? I don't think so.
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So it's the most money ever paid to a non
quarterback in this league. The highest non quarterback guarantee at signing.
Justin Jefferson Minnesota has signed with the Vikings a great
player four years, one hundred and forty four, one hundred
and forty million. It feels a little bit like an
NBA contract, the difference. He's great, not just a middling player.
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But there are four reasons why you had to make
this move. And I defended him multiple times in the
last couple of months Justin Jefferson and I don't always
defend receivers. Number one, they have a rookie quarterback JJ
McCarthy in an offensive division. JJ McCarthy's gonna need help,
and Justin Jefferson attracts double coverage, makes you roll. The
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coverage over will open up the field. Number two is
the Vikings have an offense coach, and offensive coaches get
the ball to their playmakers very well. McVeigh and Cooper Cup,
Kyle Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey, Mike McCarthy, C D. Lamb.
They have a way of doing it Tyreek Hill in Miami.
Defensive coaches can struggle getting the ball to the right people. Meanwhile,
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Number three is the NFC North is probably the best
offensive division in football. You're gonna be in some track meets,
you gotta be in some firework shows. You need easy touchdowns.
They can't be twelve play drives. I like Jordan Addison,
I like Aaron Jones, but JJ McCarthy needs some over
the top seventy two yard touchdowns. He's not Mahomes, he's
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not a veteran, he's not Stafford. He's a young kid,
and when he does play, he's gonna need some easy touchdowns.
And number four is I wouldn't have believed this seven
years ago, but the game's changed. Look at the rules.
Wide receivers, to me, were always icing on the cake,
but never the key ingredients. It's over nine of the
ten top receiving yard leaders, nine of ten made the playoffs,
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much more than leading rushers. So are we in a
wide receiver bubble? Well, we've been in tech bubbles, and
tech companies still rule the world. We've been in housing bubbles, right,
We've been on all sorts of bubbles, stock market bubbles.
I still retain some stocks. I still have a house.
Lot of tech. Bubble doesn't mean what you have as bad.
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Sometimes you overpay for things. I'm gonna be okay overpaying
a little for a quarterback, an edge rusher, and a
perimeter weapon. And my take is, look at what the
NFL is doing with its rules. It's telling you protect
wide receivers and elevate wide receivers. They're good for fantasy football,
they're good for ratings. The most explosive touchdowns for television
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are from wide receivers, not running backs or quarterbacks. And
so I look around this and something else that's important.
There are certain things you have to overpay for. But
when you overpay for certain things, do they at least deliver?
Receivers do take away the Mike Williams deal with the Chargers.
He just got hurt, Debo, DJ Moore, Tyreek Hill, Amari Cooper,
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Cooper Cup, Davante Adams, Terry McLaurin. They got huge deals
and they remain highly productive because the sport is telling
you they want receivers to excel. All the rules are
can't touch him. I grew up in an era where
there was a term used on every broadcast more than once.
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Alligator arms. Receivers, especially fast thin ones, did not want
to go over the middle. About a decade ago, the
NFL change rules. Everybody wants to go over the middle.
That's where the eden's good, and Justin Jefferson could be
a drag route, a seam route over the top is
more than icing. In our last eight Super Bowls, six
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quarterbacks and two receivers have been MVP. So this was
not always a position that I thought deserve to be
highly compensated. It is now for the aforementioned reasons, I
think you pay him. They did. The Vikings have historically
been a pretty shrewd franchise that just haven't been as
good as the Packers at quarterback. But this division, with
Caleb Williams and the Chicago upgrades, you're gonna be in
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your shootouts. You're gonna be in them. And I don't
think JJ McCarthy is Caleb Williams as a talent. I
don't think he's Jared Goff as a talent. I don't
think he's Jordan Love as a talent. He's gonna need
more talent on the perimeter. So I talked about this
a few weeks ago when Caitlin Clark came in. Is
that every business needs a catalyst, and I had a
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little podcast business called the volume. We were doing fine
for about eight months and then we got Draymond Green
and he was our catalyst. People paid attention to us.
Every business needs a catalyst to kind of spring to pop.
It could be a tech company that needs it, needs
a product, an app. Every business needs it. So the
WNBA hasn't made a lot of money, but the talent,
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the quality of play has been elevated over the last seven, eight,
nine years. They just needed a catalyst. I mean, MLS
went and got Messy a catalyst. La Galaxy went and
got Beckham. So Caitlin Clark is making people watch the sport.
And now everybody's kind of freaking out because she's getting
nudged here and hard fouled there and hitting the floor there,
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and to Kennedy Carter yesterday banged into her. Everybody's freaking out.
Where is the protection? Oh boy? Once again the media
fans protecting somebody that doesn't need protecting. When Tony ku
coach came from Europe to play with the Bulls, MJ
and Scottie Pippen, this is what they did to their
own teammate. In practice, sports is tribal, it's intimidating, it's physical,
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and it's proven those who aren't tough don't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
She is.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Kennedy Carter is the Patrick Beverly of the WNBA. She's
on her third team, feisty as hell, tough, intimidating and physical.
She is there to provoke. Like Patrick Beverly, who I
ran into the gym recently, got a chip, little anger, tough,
wouldn't want to mess with them. And that's what Kennedy
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Carter is. The NHL, the NBA, they've always had enforcers.
They don't always have to be the biggest player on
the fourth floor. They've got to be scrappy and defiant,
sometimes bordering on unfair, physical, inappropriate. That's all that happened.
My only issue in that entire weekend, all these hard fouls.
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I've got two issues. Number one, why didn't one of
Caitlin Clark's teammates defender? Where are your teammates? And number two,
the WNBA has done such a bad job. They knew
the Indiana Fever had the number one pick, and I
knew Caitlin Clark was going to be the number one
pick a year ago or close to a year ago.
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Why have they played eleven games in twenty days, Caitlin
Clark's worn out. One team, the Las Vegas Ases, has
played six games. Multiple teams have played seven. They've played
eleven games in twenty days. The last team that did
that in the WNBA started one to ten. Can't the
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WNBA do a little a little to give Caitlin Clark
a couple of days rest before big games. You knew
she was going to be the number one pick almost
a year ago. So I've had a problem with the
way they've groove Caitlin Clark into the league. I've had
a problem with Well, that's about it. I don't have
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a problem pushing around Caitlin Clark. It's okay. She talked
about the physical play, the daunting physical play, and how
she's handling.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It definitely reminds me of my of my college girl
a little bit. But also, you know, I grew up
playing the basketball with the boys, so like it's always
been physical and feisty and like that's what it is.
You got to find a way to hold your own.
So it kind of reminds me of that. And then
I grew up with super brothers, and you know, things
were about, you know, very very physical. A lot of blood,
a lot of tears, whatever it was. So I'm I'm
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definitely prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, everybody's freaking out about this. Yeah, I wish a
teammate would have stepped up four. I wish the WNBA
could figure out you've got a star a year out.
But this is actually kind of like the NBA. There's
a Draymond Green, a Dennis Rodman, a Bill Lambier, there's
an enforcer. Well, who do they pick on the bench guy? No,
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they go pick on the star. Go ask Magic Johnson
about Dennis Rodman, you know, go ask go ask great
offensive players about en Draymond Green doesn't spend a ton
of time picking on the number nine player. He goes
after the star. Or this is sports. Caitlin Clark is
more than built for this. Be nice if she had
a teammate who stood up here. By the way, was
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Kennedy Carter on the shove to Kitlyn Clark kindy on
the play before bumping in with Kaitlyn, It seemed like
she she tunned to you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, after the.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Fever stores, Kaitlyn Clark questions, did she say anything to you?
I don't know what she said. What you say to her,
didn't say, anything's enough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's okay, take a deep breath. I've watched this in college,
I've watched it in pro. This is the growth of
the WNBA. It started out it couldn't make any money,
and the NBA had that problem in the seventies. And
all of a sudden, the quality of play gets better,
and as some teams start breaking even, they play in
some nice arenas and they get a TV contract, and
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all of a sudden, the quality and the length and
the occasional European player, and all of a sudden, now
we're seeing the next level of growth. They got a catalyst,
and the league's feisty, and they've got in forcers. The
ultimate compliment to the WNBA is I see this all
the time on the guy's side. It's okay. The ultimate
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respect isn't pandering and placating to women's basketball. It's accepting
that sometimes it's physical, tribal, intimidating and uncomfortable. The best
kind of basketball men or women. All right, j Mac
crazy this weekend. You know there's a thing going around.
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I myself have been very fortunate genetically. My family's kind
of thin, right, so I'm not an ozempic person. But
you know, some people, there's the ozempic thing going on
in America. People are getting like thin, thinner, or sometimes
too thin. Now, I am in no way saying that
pro athletes are taking ozempic, although they found like remedies.
It can help with addictions, it can help with kidney
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long whatever. So, but I saw I've been noticing weight
more on people because of this ozempic thing they called
ozempic face. And so I've noticed among friends, among people
I'm kind of watching, you know, I'm seeing this ozempic thing.
So I saw something this week with an NFL player
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that looked radically thin. I am not saying it's ozempic. Oh,
and maybe I'm overreacting to body shape and tight, but
I've got thoughts on it, and I absolutely believe what
I'm going to say. That always helps. And we'll talk
about Tua's appearance coming up.
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Speaker 1 (12:44):
So I saw something this weekend where Tua Dolphins quarterback
Tua tungue Leamoa showed up to a promotional event, and
uh look noticeably thin. He's listed at about two twenty five.
He looked to be about two hundred pounds. And this
is a pocket quarterback. It is a little alarming. He
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looked really, really thin. So Tom Brady lost weight when
he retired, that I get, But I think Tom kept
some weight on because he was a quarterback. And so
I've said this before, like aesthetics matter. You saw last
week an organization pull a beer out of Luca's hand
in a hallway that fans couldn't see because there was
one camera off to the side. Not only do aesthetics matter,
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it worries me. There's never been a great skinny quarterback
in league history. Mannings weren't far, wasn't Brady was two thirty,
big Ben l Way. You think Aaron Rodgers is thin, Okay,
I'm six one and a half a buck ninety four
buck ninety five ish. Aaron Rodgers is six one and
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a half two twenty five. Aaron is thirty pounds heavier
than me. And I don't think I'm mat thin. I
like my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move.
You need two or three people if you can get
it into a hatchback by yourself. I'm not interested draft
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somebody else. So Tua is not a hyper athletic quarterback
who wants to get faster. He's not really that mobile,
he's not big, he doesn't have a power arm. I
love Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, but they're a bit
on the thin side. Burrough's hurt often. Trevor Lawrence last
year must have had six lower torso injuries. Philip rivers,
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to me, that's the perfect quarterback body six five, two thirty.
He once played I think it was fourteen straight seasons
of at least sixteen games. He once played with a
torn acl It matters. Jared Goff is the only what
I would call finn quarterback in the league that I've
probably ever really really liked in thoughts at time ten quarterback.
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But in architecture, it's called a form follows function, and
I don't understand. I understand a little with Lamar Jackson
losing weight. He's hyper mobile, perhaps wants to get faster,
although I don't see a lot of linebackers in safeties
catching him. But you know, it's it's it's one of
those things where I like big, I like sturdy, I
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like can play hurt. I don't get it. It's something.
I know you're absolutely sure this stuff doesn't matter. But
last week the vice president, a former player of the Mavericks,
walked in and took a beer out of Luca's hand
and fans couldn't see it. I cannot believe that there
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wasn't at least one Miami dolphin that said upstairs, wow,
he looks thin. He's already small, he's already got an
average arm. I don't know. It's something. It's been there's
stories about it. It's something. Nothing is everything, everything something.
I thought it was a little interesting J Mack with
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the news.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Everything something, Everything is something.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So when that image flashed on the screen, briefly I
was like, which guy.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Is to us?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Just for like half a second because I had the
jersey on and I was like that that's not too
and then the other guys the fan was bigger.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah something. You still let Miami playoff, Teunis, I'm not
lying to you. It made me think I don't understand it,
and I know, listen the first reaction that doesn't matter, folks.
This is what I talked to executives about the Will
Levis gun show. That's what they call and ask about.
That's absolutely all the traits and measurables are there. It's
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the dad's kind of crazy gun show, kind of squirrely
drank a lot in college. That's the stuff people talk about.
That's what executives talk about.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Wait, body type, Well, that's the stuff you can't quantify.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's right, and that's you can't put a finger on it.
And if you're going to pay somebody fifty eight million dollars,
I'm going to monitor. I I've said this before. I
have a small company. I monitor a lot of the
social media of people at my company. I want them
to be careful. I don't want them to need a therapist.
I want them if they do, all get them one.
I don't want to use the audience as your therapist.
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Like I'm constantly watching the aesthetics for how are you interacting?
How are you dealing with people? All this stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, how's your social media going?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
By the way, I don't it's fine, It's always fine.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Get people riled up checking after the weekend, Yes, yes, yes,
all right, let's get started with the NBA Finals start
Cheeze Thursday night. Luca and Kyrie totally dominating in the postseason.
Luca unstoppable mads in the finals for the first time
since twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
However, it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Difficult for Boston to stop them. Celtics head coach Joe
Missoula spoke about.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Preparing for the tough matchup.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
This series is going to be about stopping those two guys.
There is no stopping them. There's defending them at a
high level, and there's playing a complete game because every
part of the game is connected, and so they've played
nine close games. We've played four. There's gonna be close games.
We're not here to stop those guys. We're here to
play a complete game of basketball and have an understanding
how each possession has an effect on everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
They're going to score.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's what they do best.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
If we don't take care of the things that are
within our control, then that doesn't put us in the
best possible position to win.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, there's an argument to be made that you late,
Luca scores forty six points, You let him cook, let
him exhaust himself, trap others get the ball to Luca.
He's gonna score, wear him out. You just know early
in this series. I mean they've played longer series. Minnesota
is a longer series. Okac La Clippers. Dallas is putting
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a lot of miles and minutes on Luca, And if
you don't think you can stop him, just keep the
ball in his hands, high usage rate, make him work defensively.
You know he's going to have a four forty five
point game, but make him work on both ends. And
over the course of a seven game series, you have
a fresher, deeper roster and your stars are fresher.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And I could see Dallas saying, sure, we'll take Luca
getting forty six. We'll pick and roll all day. The
problem is who do you attack on Boston. They're built
differently than Minnesota. Minnesota had Gobert, you could put him
in action all night, light him up, Karl Anthony Towns
could had no chance. Like Boston basically has four wings,
and then you could go to the bench and Al
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Horford hits a corner three Boston just spreads you out.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okase scoring mostly came from one or two guys. Minnesota's
got a score and a half. You know, Clippers are
depending on Harden. If Kawhi can play, have two scorers.
Boston's a four to five scorer team, so it's a
it's a lot of work. They spread you out.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I almost wonder if the Boston angles tougher, Like, how
does Dallas defend Boston. I mean, Lively was a huge
factor because you could stay near the paint all the
time and do it because of Gobert. Nobody on Boston
stays in the paint. Nobody Like everybody's.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Given their Porzingis and Horford move outside.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think it get out worried about Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, it does render Lively a little less crucial in
this series. Again, a long young player against Minnesota very crucial,
or against chet Hongren really important. That's not what Boston does.
They spread out the floor.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, and remember with chet Holmgren, who's similar to Porzingis,
okase he took him six, could have won Game six.
The free throws at the end, Like, start to get
a little nervous about my Mavericks here. Next up, the
Bears are officially going to be featured on Hard Knocks
this season. I know you're fired up about that. Caleb
Williams will obviously be the star of the show. Head
coach Matt Eberflus is not worried. He said, Caleb is
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well suited for the spotlight, will be comfortable thanks to
all the attention he's already gotten from the media, but
more spotlight for the number one pick he played.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
He played college football in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
He didn't win a lot there either.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He actually did, you know what's funny about this. I
was talking to my buddy John Mitlkoff about this. They
won eleven games, is for now us he had it
was a four win team. They had about twenty five
Division one players when Lincoln Ronny got there. They won
eleven games. They did with a horrible defense. Had they
beaten two Lane, which they led with thirty seconds to go,
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they'd have won twelve. Last year, injuries, PAC twelve was better.
They didn't have as good a year, but they led
the nation and offense back to back years in two years.
The PAC twelve may have been his best in twenty years.
So this whole thing about winning, they went from four
wins to a play from twelve. They did win considering
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they had almost no NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Players on the surface. Yes, let's go counting numbers. They
won eleven games.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Whoop the dam do?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Who did they be? How did perform in the largest,
high leverage games? And I just remember all the big
spots they kind of came up empty. I'm not saying
Caleb did. But you know that Notre Dame game was
an abomination. No, they want to write that off, Fine,
you can just toss that out the way.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, Notre Dame's got several more NFL players, and so
does Oregon. They were losing, you know, by the way,
Utah is a fully formed program for twenty five years,
they have more NFL players. Caleb Williams, Jordan Addison. That's
about it for USC. If you want to complain about USC,
it's not a Caleb or Lincoln issue. It has been
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a defensive front issue. They've been in a ten year
post P Carroll drought where they can't get elite defensive linemen.
And it's been happening drafted as UCLA.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh Ucla.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, So it's like USC has been in a ten
year post P Carroll drought. They can't get elite defensive linemen.
You got a Michigan coming out here and getting them.
Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, there's not many out west, and
the ones that are aren't going to USC. That's ed
Orgeron used to be the assistant coach of Note. Lane
couldn't get them. Sark couldn't get them, Clay Hilton couldn't
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get them. Lincoln can't get him. And there's about two
a year in California high school and a lot of
them go to Ohio State or Michigan. Those are bigger,
more fully formed, more momentum program.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So, as the president of the Caleb Williams Fan Club,
any concern given the history of teams that go on
hard knocks, how they perform likey quarterbacks, He's going.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
To have a very productive rookie year. I don't think
necessarily they won seven last year. I think they could
win eight. But when you watch them, you'll be you'll notice, oh,
that's a much better You can own a three hundred
thousand dollars house in various neighborhoods, right, it's not always
the same house. They could win seven to eight games
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and you would watch it and think they lost a
bunch of shootouts to Jordan Love and Jared Goff and
think it's a really good football team. Last year they
were completely dysfunctional offensively late in games they could own
win if they led, they couldn't come from behind and win.
So they'll be a much more functional offense.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And they still won what seven games last.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Ye Yeah, and I think this year they'll probably win
eight because the division is so good now eight to nine.
NFC last couple of years has been weak. Justin Field's
got the week NFC this it's not weak. Philly's better
Rams are no longer rebuilding.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They better Bears are Packers right now? Packers significant or
as well.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
They've got an offensive coach. They right now have a
better quarterback coaching quarterback better, They have a better overall
offensive roster, deeper, and they have momentum, which matters. They
have cultural momentum. When things get tight, the Packers think
they're gonna win. When things get tight for the Jets
or Carolina or Chicago, first thing you think about is
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how are we gonna blow this? Green Bay's got a
lot of institutional momentum.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You love your Packers. Final story.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Dak Prescott heading into the final year of his deal.
Progress towards an extension has been slow. The team reportedly
has no intention of letting Dak get away. The Cowboys
are said to be all in on re signing Dak
and have made it clear they do not want him
to hit free agency in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
A lot of mouth service, a lot of lip service.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You ever notice why stories leak? There's a lot of
Cowboys stories leaky. Micah wants a deal, Ceedee Lamb, Dak.
Why is it all leaking? Somebody wants it out? Big profile,
high profile agents. All this Dallas stuff is leaking out
all off season. I don't hear anything from the Rams
leaking anything from the Niners.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
They can't superstars like up against it, you know, like
you got. They got three big names who need deals
this summer.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
No, I wouldn't call Dak a superstar. Let me ask
you this, of the three players, who's the best at
their position, Micah, CD or Dak. Probably Micah, That's what
I think, because it about.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
The most important position position of those three quarterback. Okay,
I'm getting I'm getting that sun first. By the way,
CD Lambs deal not done. He just saw justin Jefferson
get what thirty five MILLI year or something.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, you know it's funny about that. I always think
it's smarter for companies to sign talented people early than late.
Oh you mean, don't wait until the I just always
think if the longer you wait in any entertainment field, sports,
at any field. You know, I haven't been in that
many fields, but you always want to secure stuff sooner
because there's a finite number of elite quarterbacks or musicians
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or comics or whatever it is, writers, producers, there's a
finite number of elite ones. The longer the closer you
get to their available to the market, it drives the
price up. So it's like to me, like I would
want to sign them mic a deal early. I would
not give him. I think TJ. Wats better, Miles Garrett's better,
Nick Bos's beat. I think he's in the Aiden Hudgison
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class fourth to fifth best guy. Micah disappeared against the
Packers in the playoff game. Aiden Hudgson and Bosa were
great in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
So interesting the word you use, finite number, Okay, that
applies to.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Court there's not a lot of micas.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
It does not apply to wide receivers. And that's my
only pushback on the Jefferson deal. It's like, I mean, listen,
the Houston Texans made.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The playoffs last year, and I know everybody thought CJ.
Stroud was amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, Nico Collins was awesome for them. They just pulled
Nico Collins. Let's go, let's see what he's got. He
was excellent.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Tank Dell what fifth round, third round pick, whatever he was,
he was very good. I'm just saying, I know everybody's excited.
Justin Jefferson getting back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, I think most people believe that you should pay
if you have a receiver, a quarterback, and an edge rusher.
Most people I talked to a few exceptions would take
care of the quarterback in the edge rusher. Yeah, the
depth at wide receiver, but it would help if the
Cowboys had another ascending, e merging wide receiver. You know,
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Mari's gone now, Michael Gallup's gone, never bought into that.
Brandon Cooks is older. They don't have a number two
that's on them now. Minnesota has Jordan Addison and they
still went and paid. I mean San Francisco's got Debo
and Ayuk and they still drafted two wide receivers and
McCaffrey's a great receiver out of the back round.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
My guess is sanfred don't want to pay those guys.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't think they want to pay Ayuk I know them.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
In forty nine ers media is all over that, Colin,
Why are you paying wide receiver thirty to thirty five
million dollars?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
If they're you can find it, well, well that's you
can't find Justin Jefferson on the mark.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Find Justin Jefferson, you can find three fourths of Justin
Jefferson and then another guy who's really good, like a
I don't know, Puka Nikua.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Don't think I think Minnesota is in a unique position.
First of all, JJ McCarthy is not c J. Stroud.
C J. Stroud may not have to have Justin Jefferson.
He can have Tank Dell and Nico Collins. JJ McCarthy
is a developmental project more than a Minnesota rumor is
last week Minus Soda wanted to move out number five
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to get a receiver, Yeah, not a quarterback. They weren't
gonna move up for JJ McCarty. The league did not
move up for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Are they doing the forty nine ers model of let's
get let's get a.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Rock party type?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Obviously, twelfth overall is not like rock Purty.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
But I think that model I'm just somebody's gonna eventually
roll the dice Colin into it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, if that model does work, it doesn't necessarily get
you a trophy, but it wins a lot of games.
And that's fine too. You don't have to be MJ
six for six to be successful.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, they got the conference championship for the last five
years for Sanfrin.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's working. Yeah, you don't have to be Serena
Williams to have a great career. You can win the
Wimbledon once and that's a great tennis career. You can
win a one US Open, that's a great tennis You
don't have to be Serena or Roger feder And so
to me, it does work. Loading up your roster and
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keep drafting finding really good, not elite special quarterback. It
does win a lot of games.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
How close are we just saying, hey, Colin, you want
to give up a CD Lamb for two firsts and
a third.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You're not getting two first in the third form, you probably.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Get a first, maybe getting that for Justin.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Justin Jefferson's better than CD Lamb. He's at He's to.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
First for just the first CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You doing it? Nope, No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like anybody in the lage.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No, I would, depending on where I draft, give you
a first for CD. I'm not giving you two. I
give you a first and a fifth. I have to
pay him. I gotta pay him them and then again him.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
So yeah, you would do it if you're I'll give
him with a rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, I would do it if I was a team
that I really liked my team and we were just
missing juice, like we just you know, like like New
England can't draft a receiver like New England says, we
got Drake May, we can't draft this position. Go get
CD Lamb. That I totally understand. That's where he's at.
You got a young quarterback, you're not great. Like Pittsburgh
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and Green Bay, they draft receiver as well. They don't
have to pay him like certain organizations. Houston obviously, somebody
in that building knows what they're doing with wide receiver.
But you get these organizations that don't draft it terribly well,
and like New England, and that's where you just go,
let's go buy a receiver, just let's just go get
one on the market. Then you know. The bottom line
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is takes one GM to like you. Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 5 (32:13):
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First it's Phillies Mets from London, followed by the Belmont
Stakes Live from Saratoga, and then Prod Time It's Dodgers versus.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Yape Oh Baby. Best series of the year right there,
all on Fox and the Fox Sports app maybe the
two best teams in baseball Yankees Dodgers. Yankees doing everything right.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That's my World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I told you good World Series, Phillies. You know who
has the World Series? Eh? Oh? This network.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
They gonna send us to the games.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If it's Dodger Stadium, I'd be fun. I'm in. We
need some we need prep. We need to go to
the games for free and get very close to the action.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Assuming I make it to football season, I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So it's time to have that uncomfortable convert about Jason
Tatum of the Celtics. And by the way, everybody's saying, man,
I can't believe there's a week off the finals. This
is gonna be terrible. The ratings are gonna be terrible. Well,
the NBA ratings this playoffs as it pivots to a
more non big brand, non staff, non Lebron, non KD NBA,
(33:20):
more European NBA. They're down fifteen percent this year, so
the ratings for the finals will probably be down like
ten to fifteen percent. I don't think the time that
will elapse will hurt it. This is not baseball where
you're in the middle of October and November, and you're
battling college football in the NFL, and you take like
five days off in between the end of a series
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and the start of a series, you just lose people,
You lose audience, you lose eyes. That the NBA is
losing me to Netflix. I watched three Netflix shows yesterday.
The minute the final start. I'm back. I'm not sitting
around watching regular season baseball that often. So the NBA
will be fine. I don't think this will be one
of the great rated NBA finals. I don't think this gap.
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It's not a baseball October gap. It's a June. And
nobody's nutting goods on TV. It's reruns. The best stuff
on TV besides the NBA Finals is streaming stuff, and
people will move back off that for the NBA Finals.
But big brand Celtics, four Stars, it'll be fine. But
Zach Low is a podcaster other place, very good, big
(34:25):
audience and respected in the industry. Talking about Jason Tatum,
like me, he thinks he's a great player, excellent NBA player.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But Jaseon Thingum is a great player.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Like I don't get all the angles. I mean I
get some of the anngs, like he settles for some
bad shots now and then some of them go in,
some of them don't. He's not one of the five
best players in the NBA, but he's something round seventh, eighth, ninth, ten, six.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
People want him to be better than that, and.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
He's not quite on the level of the top four
or five guys. This will now finally be the series
again where Tatum is indisputably not the best player in
the series. That's the other team as the best player
in the series, and so that'll be an interesting test
for both him and the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And that's not a small thing. Luca is better and
Lucas considered the first or second best player. Here's the
last six, seven, eight, nine, here's the last nine NBA champions.
Last year it was Jokic best player in the league.
Year before it was Steph top four to five, then Yannis,
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he was considered at the time the best player. Then
Lebron he was considered a top two to three player.
Kawhi yes, at that time he was considered maybe five,
but a top five player. Back to back years before that,
it was KD and Steph, both top five before that
Cavs and Lebron. He was number one before that Golden
State STAPF top five. So the last nine finals, you've
(35:55):
often had the one the two at the worst, top five,
not top five. I agree. The Spurs in twenty fourteen
had an old Duncan, a legendary coach, and Kawhi was
not top five. He was emerging fast, he was ascending quickly,
but he was not top five. That's the last one
(36:17):
to do it. But if you go then before that one,
before twenty fourteen, I'll read you the best player on
the team Lebron, Kobe Duncan, Shack Dirk. You could argue
the Celtics had a year, but KG was like second
or third in MVP voting and Paul Pierce was the
finals MVP. They were both great players. I like Jason Tatum,
(36:41):
but we've got a history. There's two outliers to not
having a top five player and winning a title, the
twenty fourteen Spurs and that Pistons team. And that was
as much they were huge underdogs of the Lakers. That
was about the Lakers locker room imploding. Malone, Kobe, Shack Bill,
the locker room imploded. They were huge favorites over Detroit.
(37:05):
So it's pretty clear. Having the best or second best
player in the league, having an iconic first ballot unbelievable,
no doubt about it, all time great player. It absolutely matters,
and that's what Luca is. So I get it. What's
fascinating about Tatum. If you gave me the league, I'm
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a general manager. You're a general manager, and you say it,
give me five or six guys to start my franchise.
I think Tatum's probably five or six for me. But
if you're talking just best player at any one time
on the floor, take the big shot. I'm like Zach Lowe.
I've got him like seven to eight, and that's where
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I kind of find him now. I think he'll be
the second best player in the finals. But there will
be games in this finals that Kyrie plays better than Tatum.
They'll be at least one or two of those. Very
rarely did you get to the finals and somebody will
play better than Luca, Michael Jordan or Jokich. That's very rare.
There will be a game in this series, maybe all
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of them. Lucas clearly better, Kyrie is two, and they'll
be at least one game Jalen Brown plays better than Tatum.
That historically does not win you the finals. Now, I
like Boston. I'm picking Boston, crossing my fingers on Porzingis's health.
I picked him to get to the finals. I think
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they're very good, maybe a tad two collaborative, but I
think they're so deep offensively. I think Dallas is just
going to be chasing threes all over the court. Spread
their defense out, allow them to drive and score at
the rim, get lively out of there. I think Boston wins.
I think it's a great series. I think Luca's going
to have forty multiple times. But there is a history
(38:55):
the last nine finals champions. It is a lot of
Yokich Steph, lebron KD lebron staff KD. That's a lot
of what it is, no doubt about it. Forty five
seconds left. Everybody knows who's everybody knows the best player
on the floor. I'm sorry, j Mac, but the best
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player on the floor in this series is Luca.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, I'm not disputing that.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I don't think anybody would argue that. Nobody with a
brain would argue lucas not the best player on the floor.
The problem and I know Zach Low a little bit.
I see him around of games. Whatever he's saying, Tatum's
not a top five guy in the league, and I.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Think you're agreeing with you. I agree, Collin, something's not
adding up here.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
First Team All NBA this year, Jason Tatum was one
of the top five first team All NBA.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Last year, Jason Tatum was one of the top five
hold on the year before that. That's three straight.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Seasons he's been first team All you have to remember,
meaning one of the top five.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Like All Pro and football. There are positions. He's a forward.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
No, no, they don't do position. They didn't do him
this year. They just picked the.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Best the two years prior they did and he was forward. Fine,
but I'll give you Giannis, I'll give you, I'll give
you Jokic. But after that there's you can't tell me
because the two playoffs here is Anthony Edwards is better
than Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You can't do that. You just cannot.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
I'm not gonna let you, so find me the two
other guys better than Jason Tatum. But I don't want
to hear Joel Embiid And I know Zach Loo's a
big Joel Embiid fan.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Sorry, Zach, I've been pushing back on Joel Embid.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
We understand the reality he's hurt all the freaking time. Yeah,
so give me the other guys better than Tatum in
the league.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think Sga is a more natural scorer.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'll disagree. I mean, he's really good.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think Anthony Davis gives me more dominant defensive performances
plus twenty four a game. I think there's a players
that can be I think Anthony Davis, the best defensive
player in the year and on any night, can give
me the twenty six Tatum can.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Guy who doesn't talk about somebody who doesn't show up
in fourth quarters, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
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One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin
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college football, the scheduling coming out, the TV games, the scheduling.
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It's fantastic, Jamact. I know it's that May June area
and we have to sit around and wait a few
days for the NBA Finals. But something happened this morning.
That's a big deal. It's happening all the time a little.
People are worried about bubbles, tech, bubble, real estate, bubble,
wide receiver, bubble, Well did it burst? I don't think so.
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So it's the most money ever paid to a non
quarterback in this league. The highest non quarterback guarantee at signing.
Justin Jefferson Minnesota has signed with the Vikings a great
player four years, one hundred and forty four, one hundred
and forty million. It feels a little bit like an
NBA contract, the difference. He's great, not just a middling player.
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But there are four reasons why you had to make
this move. And I defended him multiple times in the
last couple of months Justin Jefferson and I don't always
defend receivers. Number one, they have a rookie quarterback JJ
McCarthy in an offensive division. JJ McCarthy's gonna need help,
and Justin Jefferson attracts double coverage, makes you roll. The
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coverage over will open up the field. Number two is
the Vikings have an offense coach, and offensive coaches get
the ball to their playmakers very well. McVeigh and Cooper Cup,
Kyle Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey, Mike McCarthy, C D. Lamb.
They have a way of doing it Tyreek Hill in Miami.
Defensive coaches can struggle getting the ball to the right people. Meanwhile,
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Number three is the NFC North is probably the best
offensive division in football. You're gonna be in some track meets,
you gotta be in some firework shows. You need easy touchdowns.
They can't be twelve play drives. I like Jordan Addison,
I like Aaron Jones, but JJ McCarthy needs some over
the top seventy two yard touchdowns. He's not Mahomes, he's
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not a veteran, he's not Stafford. He's a young kid,
and when he does play, he's gonna need some easy touchdowns.
And number four is I wouldn't have believed this seven
years ago, but the game's changed. Look at the rules.
Wide receivers, to me, were always icing on the cake,
but never the key ingredients. It's over nine of the
ten top receiving yard leaders, nine of ten made the playoffs,
(03:08):
much more than leading rushers. So are we in a
wide receiver bubble? Well, we've been in tech bubbles, and
tech companies still rule the world. We've been in housing bubbles, right,
We've been on all sorts of bubbles, stock market bubbles.
I still retain some stocks. I still have a house.
Lot of tech. Bubble doesn't mean what you have as bad.
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Sometimes you overpay for things. I'm gonna be okay overpaying
a little for a quarterback, an edge rusher, and a
perimeter weapon. And my take is, look at what the
NFL is doing with its rules. It's telling you protect
wide receivers and elevate wide receivers. They're good for fantasy football,
they're good for ratings. The most explosive touchdowns for television
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are from wide receivers, not running backs or quarterbacks. And
so I look around this and something else that's important.
There are certain things you have to overpay for. But
when you overpay for certain things, do they at least deliver?
Receivers do take away the Mike Williams deal with the Chargers.
He just got hurt, Debo, DJ Moore, Tyreek Hill, Amari Cooper,
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Cooper Cup, Davante Adams, Terry McLaurin. They got huge deals
and they remain highly productive because the sport is telling
you they want receivers to excel. All the rules are
can't touch him. I grew up in an era where
there was a term used on every broadcast more than once.
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Alligator arms. Receivers, especially fast thin ones, did not want
to go over the middle. About a decade ago, the
NFL change rules. Everybody wants to go over the middle.
That's where the eden's good, and Justin Jefferson could be
a drag route, a seam route over the top is
more than icing. In our last eight Super Bowls, six
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quarterbacks and two receivers have been MVP. So this was
not always a position that I thought deserve to be
highly compensated. It is now for the aforementioned reasons, I
think you pay him. They did. The Vikings have historically
been a pretty shrewd franchise that just haven't been as
good as the Packers at quarterback. But this division, with
Caleb Williams and the Chicago upgrades, you're gonna be in
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your shootouts. You're gonna be in them. And I don't
think JJ McCarthy is Caleb Williams as a talent. I
don't think he's Jared Goff as a talent. I don't
think he's Jordan Love as a talent. He's gonna need
more talent on the perimeter. So I talked about this
a few weeks ago when Caitlin Clark came in. Is
that every business needs a catalyst, and I had a
(05:44):
little podcast business called the volume. We were doing fine
for about eight months and then we got Draymond Green
and he was our catalyst. People paid attention to us.
Every business needs a catalyst to kind of spring to pop.
It could be a tech company that needs it, needs
a product, an app. Every business needs it. So the
WNBA hasn't made a lot of money, but the talent,
(06:06):
the quality of play has been elevated over the last seven, eight,
nine years. They just needed a catalyst. I mean, MLS
went and got Messy a catalyst. La Galaxy went and
got Beckham. So Caitlin Clark is making people watch the sport.
And now everybody's kind of freaking out because she's getting
nudged here and hard fouled there and hitting the floor there,
(06:30):
and to Kennedy Carter yesterday banged into her. Everybody's freaking out.
Where is the protection? Oh boy? Once again the media
fans protecting somebody that doesn't need protecting. When Tony ku
coach came from Europe to play with the Bulls, MJ
and Scottie Pippen, this is what they did to their
own teammate. In practice, sports is tribal, it's intimidating, it's physical,
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and it's proven those who aren't tough don't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
She is.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Kennedy Carter is the Patrick Beverly of the WNBA. She's
on her third team, feisty as hell, tough, intimidating and physical.
She is there to provoke. Like Patrick Beverly, who I
ran into the gym recently, got a chip, little anger, tough,
wouldn't want to mess with them. And that's what Kennedy
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Carter is. The NHL, the NBA, they've always had enforcers.
They don't always have to be the biggest player on
the fourth floor. They've got to be scrappy and defiant,
sometimes bordering on unfair, physical, inappropriate. That's all that happened.
My only issue in that entire weekend, all these hard fouls.
(07:45):
I've got two issues. Number one, why didn't one of
Caitlin Clark's teammates defender? Where are your teammates? And number two,
the WNBA has done such a bad job. They knew
the Indiana Fever had the number one pick, and I
knew Caitlin Clark was going to be the number one
pick a year ago or close to a year ago.
(08:07):
Why have they played eleven games in twenty days, Caitlin
Clark's worn out. One team, the Las Vegas Ases, has
played six games. Multiple teams have played seven. They've played
eleven games in twenty days. The last team that did
that in the WNBA started one to ten. Can't the
(08:27):
WNBA do a little a little to give Caitlin Clark
a couple of days rest before big games. You knew
she was going to be the number one pick almost
a year ago. So I've had a problem with the
way they've groove Caitlin Clark into the league. I've had
a problem with Well, that's about it. I don't have
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a problem pushing around Caitlin Clark. It's okay. She talked
about the physical play, the daunting physical play, and how
she's handling.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It definitely reminds me of my of my college girl
a little bit. But also, you know, I grew up
playing the basketball with the boys, so like it's always
been physical and feisty and like that's what it is.
You got to find a way to hold your own.
So it kind of reminds me of that. And then
I grew up with super brothers, and you know, things
were about, you know, very very physical. A lot of blood,
a lot of tears, whatever it was. So I'm I'm
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definitely prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, everybody's freaking out about this. Yeah, I wish a
teammate would have stepped up four. I wish the WNBA
could figure out you've got a star a year out.
But this is actually kind of like the NBA. There's
a Draymond Green, a Dennis Rodman, a Bill Lambier, there's
an enforcer. Well, who do they pick on the bench guy? No,
(09:46):
they go pick on the star. Go ask Magic Johnson
about Dennis Rodman, you know, go ask go ask great
offensive players about en Draymond Green doesn't spend a ton
of time picking on the number nine player. He goes
after the star. Or this is sports. Caitlin Clark is
more than built for this. Be nice if she had
a teammate who stood up here. By the way, was
(10:09):
Kennedy Carter on the shove to Kitlyn Clark kindy on
the play before bumping in with Kaitlyn, It seemed like
she she tunned to you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, after the.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Fever stores, Kaitlyn Clark questions, did she say anything to you?
I don't know what she said. What you say to her,
didn't say, anything's enough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's okay, take a deep breath. I've watched this in college,
I've watched it in pro. This is the growth of
the WNBA. It started out it couldn't make any money,
and the NBA had that problem in the seventies. And
all of a sudden, the quality of play gets better,
and as some teams start breaking even, they play in
some nice arenas and they get a TV contract, and
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all of a sudden, the quality and the length and
the occasional European player, and all of a sudden, now
we're seeing the next level of growth. They got a catalyst,
and the league's feisty, and they've got in forcers. The
ultimate compliment to the WNBA is I see this all
the time on the guy's side. It's okay. The ultimate
(11:09):
respect isn't pandering and placating to women's basketball. It's accepting
that sometimes it's physical, tribal, intimidating and uncomfortable. The best
kind of basketball men or women. All right, j Mac
crazy this weekend. You know there's a thing going around.
(11:30):
I myself have been very fortunate genetically. My family's kind
of thin, right, so I'm not an ozempic person. But
you know, some people, there's the ozempic thing going on
in America. People are getting like thin, thinner, or sometimes
too thin. Now, I am in no way saying that
pro athletes are taking ozempic, although they found like remedies.
It can help with addictions, it can help with kidney
(11:54):
long whatever. So, but I saw I've been noticing weight
more on people because of this ozempic thing they called
ozempic face. And so I've noticed among friends, among people
I'm kind of watching, you know, I'm seeing this ozempic thing.
So I saw something this week with an NFL player
(12:16):
that looked radically thin. I am not saying it's ozempic. Oh,
and maybe I'm overreacting to body shape and tight, but
I've got thoughts on it, and I absolutely believe what
I'm going to say. That always helps. And we'll talk
about Tua's appearance coming up.
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Speaker 1 (12:44):
So I saw something this weekend where Tua Dolphins quarterback
Tua tungue Leamoa showed up to a promotional event, and
uh look noticeably thin. He's listed at about two twenty five.
He looked to be about two hundred pounds. And this
is a pocket quarterback. It is a little alarming. He
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looked really, really thin. So Tom Brady lost weight when
he retired, that I get, But I think Tom kept
some weight on because he was a quarterback. And so
I've said this before, like aesthetics matter. You saw last
week an organization pull a beer out of Luca's hand
in a hallway that fans couldn't see because there was
one camera off to the side. Not only do aesthetics matter,
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it worries me. There's never been a great skinny quarterback
in league history. Mannings weren't far, wasn't Brady was two thirty,
big Ben l Way. You think Aaron Rodgers is thin, Okay,
I'm six one and a half a buck ninety four
buck ninety five ish. Aaron Rodgers is six one and
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a half two twenty five. Aaron is thirty pounds heavier
than me. And I don't think I'm mat thin. I
like my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move.
You need two or three people if you can get
it into a hatchback by yourself. I'm not interested draft
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somebody else. So Tua is not a hyper athletic quarterback
who wants to get faster. He's not really that mobile,
he's not big, he doesn't have a power arm. I
love Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, but they're a bit
on the thin side. Burrough's hurt often. Trevor Lawrence last
year must have had six lower torso injuries. Philip rivers,
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to me, that's the perfect quarterback body six five, two thirty.
He once played I think it was fourteen straight seasons
of at least sixteen games. He once played with a
torn acl It matters. Jared Goff is the only what
I would call finn quarterback in the league that I've
probably ever really really liked in thoughts at time ten quarterback.
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But in architecture, it's called a form follows function, and
I don't understand. I understand a little with Lamar Jackson
losing weight. He's hyper mobile, perhaps wants to get faster,
although I don't see a lot of linebackers in safeties
catching him. But you know, it's it's it's one of
those things where I like big, I like sturdy, I
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like can play hurt. I don't get it. It's something.
I know you're absolutely sure this stuff doesn't matter. But
last week the vice president, a former player of the Mavericks,
walked in and took a beer out of Luca's hand
and fans couldn't see it. I cannot believe that there
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wasn't at least one Miami dolphin that said upstairs, wow,
he looks thin. He's already small, he's already got an
average arm. I don't know. It's something. It's been there's
stories about it. It's something. Nothing is everything, everything something.
I thought it was a little interesting J Mack with
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the news.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Everything something, Everything is something.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So when that image flashed on the screen, briefly I
was like, which guy.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Is to us?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Just for like half a second because I had the
jersey on and I was like that that's not too
and then the other guys the fan was bigger.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah something. You still let Miami playoff, Teunis, I'm not
lying to you. It made me think I don't understand it,
and I know, listen the first reaction that doesn't matter, folks.
This is what I talked to executives about the Will
Levis gun show. That's what they call and ask about.
That's absolutely all the traits and measurables are there. It's
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the dad's kind of crazy gun show, kind of squirrely
drank a lot in college. That's the stuff people talk about.
That's what executives talk about.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Wait, body type, Well, that's the stuff you can't quantify.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's right, and that's you can't put a finger on it.
And if you're going to pay somebody fifty eight million dollars,
I'm going to monitor. I I've said this before. I
have a small company. I monitor a lot of the
social media of people at my company. I want them
to be careful. I don't want them to need a therapist.
I want them if they do, all get them one.
I don't want to use the audience as your therapist.
(17:26):
Like I'm constantly watching the aesthetics for how are you interacting?
How are you dealing with people? All this stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, how's your social media going?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
By the way, I don't it's fine, It's always fine.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Get people riled up checking after the weekend, Yes, yes, yes,
all right, let's get started with the NBA Finals start
Cheeze Thursday night. Luca and Kyrie totally dominating in the postseason.
Luca unstoppable mads in the finals for the first time
since twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
However, it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Difficult for Boston to stop them. Celtics head coach Joe
Missoula spoke about.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Preparing for the tough matchup.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
This series is going to be about stopping those two guys.
There is no stopping them. There's defending them at a
high level, and there's playing a complete game because every
part of the game is connected, and so they've played
nine close games. We've played four. There's gonna be close games.
We're not here to stop those guys. We're here to
play a complete game of basketball and have an understanding
how each possession has an effect on everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
They're going to score.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's what they do best.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
If we don't take care of the things that are
within our control, then that doesn't put us in the
best possible position to win.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, there's an argument to be made that you late,
Luca scores forty six points, You let him cook, let
him exhaust himself, trap others get the ball to Luca.
He's gonna score, wear him out. You just know early
in this series. I mean they've played longer series. Minnesota
is a longer series. Okac La Clippers. Dallas is putting
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a lot of miles and minutes on Luca, And if
you don't think you can stop him, just keep the
ball in his hands, high usage rate, make him work defensively.
You know he's going to have a four forty five
point game, but make him work on both ends. And
over the course of a seven game series, you have
a fresher, deeper roster and your stars are fresher.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And I could see Dallas saying, sure, we'll take Luca
getting forty six. We'll pick and roll all day. The
problem is who do you attack on Boston. They're built
differently than Minnesota. Minnesota had Gobert, you could put him
in action all night, light him up, Karl Anthony Towns
could had no chance. Like Boston basically has four wings,
and then you could go to the bench and Al
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Horford hits a corner three Boston just spreads you out.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okase scoring mostly came from one or two guys. Minnesota's
got a score and a half. You know, Clippers are
depending on Harden. If Kawhi can play, have two scorers.
Boston's a four to five scorer team, so it's a
it's a lot of work. They spread you out.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I almost wonder if the Boston angles tougher, Like, how
does Dallas defend Boston. I mean, Lively was a huge
factor because you could stay near the paint all the
time and do it because of Gobert. Nobody on Boston
stays in the paint. Nobody Like everybody's.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Given their Porzingis and Horford move outside.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think it get out worried about Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, it does render Lively a little less crucial in
this series. Again, a long young player against Minnesota very crucial,
or against chet Hongren really important. That's not what Boston does.
They spread out the floor.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, and remember with chet Holmgren, who's similar to Porzingis,
okase he took him six, could have won Game six.
The free throws at the end, Like, start to get
a little nervous about my Mavericks here. Next up, the
Bears are officially going to be featured on Hard Knocks
this season. I know you're fired up about that. Caleb
Williams will obviously be the star of the show. Head
coach Matt Eberflus is not worried. He said, Caleb is
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well suited for the spotlight, will be comfortable thanks to
all the attention he's already gotten from the media, but
more spotlight for the number one pick he played.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
He played college football in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
He didn't win a lot there either.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He actually did, you know what's funny about this. I
was talking to my buddy John Mitlkoff about this. They
won eleven games, is for now us he had it
was a four win team. They had about twenty five
Division one players when Lincoln Ronny got there. They won
eleven games. They did with a horrible defense. Had they
beaten two Lane, which they led with thirty seconds to go,
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they'd have won twelve. Last year, injuries, PAC twelve was better.
They didn't have as good a year, but they led
the nation and offense back to back years in two years.
The PAC twelve may have been his best in twenty years.
So this whole thing about winning, they went from four
wins to a play from twelve. They did win considering
(21:51):
they had almost no NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Players on the surface. Yes, let's go counting numbers. They
won eleven games.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Whoop the dam do?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Who did they be? How did perform in the largest,
high leverage games? And I just remember all the big
spots they kind of came up empty. I'm not saying
Caleb did. But you know that Notre Dame game was
an abomination. No, they want to write that off, Fine,
you can just toss that out the way.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, Notre Dame's got several more NFL players, and so
does Oregon. They were losing, you know, by the way,
Utah is a fully formed program for twenty five years,
they have more NFL players. Caleb Williams, Jordan Addison. That's
about it for USC. If you want to complain about USC,
it's not a Caleb or Lincoln issue. It has been
(22:32):
a defensive front issue. They've been in a ten year
post P Carroll drought where they can't get elite defensive linemen.
And it's been happening drafted as UCLA.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh Ucla.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, So it's like USC has been in a ten
year post P Carroll drought. They can't get elite defensive linemen.
You got a Michigan coming out here and getting them.
Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, there's not many out west, and
the ones that are aren't going to USC. That's ed
Orgeron used to be the assistant coach of Note. Lane
couldn't get them. Sark couldn't get them, Clay Hilton couldn't
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get them. Lincoln can't get him. And there's about two
a year in California high school and a lot of
them go to Ohio State or Michigan. Those are bigger,
more fully formed, more momentum program.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So, as the president of the Caleb Williams Fan Club,
any concern given the history of teams that go on
hard knocks, how they perform likey quarterbacks, He's going.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
To have a very productive rookie year. I don't think
necessarily they won seven last year. I think they could
win eight. But when you watch them, you'll be you'll notice, oh,
that's a much better You can own a three hundred
thousand dollars house in various neighborhoods, right, it's not always
the same house. They could win seven to eight games
(23:48):
and you would watch it and think they lost a
bunch of shootouts to Jordan Love and Jared Goff and
think it's a really good football team. Last year they
were completely dysfunctional offensively late in games they could own
win if they led, they couldn't come from behind and win.
So they'll be a much more functional offense.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And they still won what seven games last.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Ye Yeah, and I think this year they'll probably win
eight because the division is so good now eight to nine.
NFC last couple of years has been weak. Justin Field's
got the week NFC this it's not weak. Philly's better
Rams are no longer rebuilding.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They better Bears are Packers right now? Packers significant or
as well.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
They've got an offensive coach. They right now have a
better quarterback coaching quarterback better, They have a better overall
offensive roster, deeper, and they have momentum, which matters. They
have cultural momentum. When things get tight, the Packers think
they're gonna win. When things get tight for the Jets
or Carolina or Chicago, first thing you think about is
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how are we gonna blow this? Green Bay's got a
lot of institutional momentum.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You love your Packers. Final story.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Dak Prescott heading into the final year of his deal.
Progress towards an extension has been slow. The team reportedly
has no intention of letting Dak get away. The Cowboys
are said to be all in on re signing Dak
and have made it clear they do not want him
to hit free agency in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
A lot of mouth service, a lot of lip service.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You ever notice why stories leak? There's a lot of
Cowboys stories leaky. Micah wants a deal, Ceedee Lamb, Dak.
Why is it all leaking? Somebody wants it out? Big profile,
high profile agents. All this Dallas stuff is leaking out
all off season. I don't hear anything from the Rams
leaking anything from the Niners.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
They can't superstars like up against it, you know, like
you got. They got three big names who need deals
this summer.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
No, I wouldn't call Dak a superstar. Let me ask
you this, of the three players, who's the best at
their position, Micah, CD or Dak. Probably Micah, That's what
I think, because it about.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
The most important position position of those three quarterback. Okay,
I'm getting I'm getting that sun first. By the way,
CD Lambs deal not done. He just saw justin Jefferson
get what thirty five MILLI year or something.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, you know it's funny about that. I always think
it's smarter for companies to sign talented people early than late.
Oh you mean, don't wait until the I just always
think if the longer you wait in any entertainment field, sports,
at any field. You know, I haven't been in that
many fields, but you always want to secure stuff sooner
because there's a finite number of elite quarterbacks or musicians
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or comics or whatever it is, writers, producers, there's a
finite number of elite ones. The longer the closer you
get to their available to the market, it drives the
price up. So it's like to me, like I would
want to sign them mic a deal early. I would
not give him. I think TJ. Wats better, Miles Garrett's better,
Nick Bos's beat. I think he's in the Aiden Hudgison
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class fourth to fifth best guy. Micah disappeared against the
Packers in the playoff game. Aiden Hudgson and Bosa were
great in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
So interesting the word you use, finite number, Okay, that
applies to.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Court there's not a lot of micas.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
It does not apply to wide receivers. And that's my
only pushback on the Jefferson deal. It's like, I mean, listen,
the Houston Texans made.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The playoffs last year, and I know everybody thought CJ.
Stroud was amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, Nico Collins was awesome for them. They just pulled
Nico Collins. Let's go, let's see what he's got. He
was excellent.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Tank Dell what fifth round, third round pick, whatever he was,
he was very good. I'm just saying, I know everybody's excited.
Justin Jefferson getting back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, I think most people believe that you should pay
if you have a receiver, a quarterback, and an edge rusher.
Most people I talked to a few exceptions would take
care of the quarterback in the edge rusher. Yeah, the
depth at wide receiver, but it would help if the
Cowboys had another ascending, e merging wide receiver. You know,
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Mari's gone now, Michael Gallup's gone, never bought into that.
Brandon Cooks is older. They don't have a number two
that's on them now. Minnesota has Jordan Addison and they
still went and paid. I mean San Francisco's got Debo
and Ayuk and they still drafted two wide receivers and
McCaffrey's a great receiver out of the back round.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
My guess is sanfred don't want to pay those guys.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't think they want to pay Ayuk I know them.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
In forty nine ers media is all over that, Colin,
Why are you paying wide receiver thirty to thirty five
million dollars?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
If they're you can find it, well, well that's you
can't find Justin Jefferson on the mark.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Find Justin Jefferson, you can find three fourths of Justin
Jefferson and then another guy who's really good, like a
I don't know, Puka Nikua.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Don't think I think Minnesota is in a unique position.
First of all, JJ McCarthy is not c J. Stroud.
C J. Stroud may not have to have Justin Jefferson.
He can have Tank Dell and Nico Collins. JJ McCarthy
is a developmental project more than a Minnesota rumor is
last week Minus Soda wanted to move out number five
(29:01):
to get a receiver, Yeah, not a quarterback. They weren't
gonna move up for JJ McCarty. The league did not
move up for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Are they doing the forty nine ers model of let's
get let's get a.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Rock party type?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Obviously, twelfth overall is not like rock Purty.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
But I think that model I'm just somebody's gonna eventually
roll the dice Colin into it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, if that model does work, it doesn't necessarily get
you a trophy, but it wins a lot of games.
And that's fine too. You don't have to be MJ
six for six to be successful.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, they got the conference championship for the last five
years for Sanfrin.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's working. Yeah, you don't have to be Serena
Williams to have a great career. You can win the
Wimbledon once and that's a great tennis career. You can
win a one US Open, that's a great tennis You
don't have to be Serena or Roger feder And so
to me, it does work. Loading up your roster and
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keep drafting finding really good, not elite special quarterback. It
does win a lot of games.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
How close are we just saying, hey, Colin, you want
to give up a CD Lamb for two firsts and
a third.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You're not getting two first in the third form, you probably.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Get a first, maybe getting that for Justin.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Justin Jefferson's better than CD Lamb. He's at He's to.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
First for just the first CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You doing it? Nope, No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like anybody in the lage.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No, I would, depending on where I draft, give you
a first for CD. I'm not giving you two. I
give you a first and a fifth. I have to
pay him. I gotta pay him them and then again him.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
So yeah, you would do it if you're I'll give
him with a rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, I would do it if I was a team
that I really liked my team and we were just
missing juice, like we just you know, like like New
England can't draft a receiver like New England says, we
got Drake May, we can't draft this position. Go get
CD Lamb. That I totally understand. That's where he's at.
You got a young quarterback, you're not great. Like Pittsburgh
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and Green Bay, they draft receiver as well. They don't
have to pay him like certain organizations. Houston obviously, somebody
in that building knows what they're doing with wide receiver.
But you get these organizations that don't draft it terribly well,
and like New England, and that's where you just go,
let's go buy a receiver, just let's just go get
one on the market. Then you know. The bottom line
(31:21):
is takes one GM to like you. Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 5 (32:13):
Didn't get any better than the Super Saturday on Fox.
First it's Phillies Mets from London, followed by the Belmont
Stakes Live from Saratoga, and then Prod Time It's Dodgers versus.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Yape Oh Baby. Best series of the year right there,
all on Fox and the Fox Sports app maybe the
two best teams in baseball Yankees Dodgers. Yankees doing everything right.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That's my World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I told you good World Series, Phillies. You know who
has the World Series? Eh? Oh? This network.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
They gonna send us to the games.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
If it's Dodger Stadium, I'd be fun. I'm in. We
need some we need prep. We need to go to
the games for free and get very close to the action.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Assuming I make it to football season, I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So it's time to have that uncomfortable convert about Jason
Tatum of the Celtics. And by the way, everybody's saying, man,
I can't believe there's a week off the finals. This
is gonna be terrible. The ratings are gonna be terrible. Well,
the NBA ratings this playoffs as it pivots to a
more non big brand, non staff, non Lebron, non KD NBA,
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more European NBA. They're down fifteen percent this year, so
the ratings for the finals will probably be down like
ten to fifteen percent. I don't think the time that
will elapse will hurt it. This is not baseball where
you're in the middle of October and November, and you're
battling college football in the NFL, and you take like
five days off in between the end of a series
(33:40):
and the start of a series, you just lose people,
You lose audience, you lose eyes. That the NBA is
losing me to Netflix. I watched three Netflix shows yesterday.
The minute the final start. I'm back. I'm not sitting
around watching regular season baseball that often. So the NBA
will be fine. I don't think this will be one
of the great rated NBA finals. I don't think this gap.
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It's not a baseball October gap. It's a June. And
nobody's nutting goods on TV. It's reruns. The best stuff
on TV besides the NBA Finals is streaming stuff, and
people will move back off that for the NBA Finals.
But big brand Celtics, four Stars, it'll be fine. But
Zach Low is a podcaster other place, very good, big
(34:25):
audience and respected in the industry. Talking about Jason Tatum,
like me, he thinks he's a great player, excellent NBA player.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But Jaseon Thingum is a great player.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Like I don't get all the angles. I mean I
get some of the anngs, like he settles for some
bad shots now and then some of them go in,
some of them don't. He's not one of the five
best players in the NBA, but he's something round seventh, eighth, ninth, ten, six.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
People want him to be better than that, and.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
He's not quite on the level of the top four
or five guys. This will now finally be the series
again where Tatum is indisputably not the best player in
the series. That's the other team as the best player
in the series, and so that'll be an interesting test
for both him and the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And that's not a small thing. Luca is better and
Lucas considered the first or second best player. Here's the
last six, seven, eight, nine, here's the last nine NBA champions.
Last year it was Jokic best player in the league.
Year before it was Steph top four to five, then Yannis,
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he was considered at the time the best player. Then
Lebron he was considered a top two to three player.
Kawhi yes, at that time he was considered maybe five,
but a top five player. Back to back years before that,
it was KD and Steph, both top five before that
Cavs and Lebron. He was number one before that Golden
State STAPF top five. So the last nine finals, you've
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often had the one the two at the worst, top five,
not top five. I agree. The Spurs in twenty fourteen
had an old Duncan, a legendary coach, and Kawhi was
not top five. He was emerging fast, he was ascending quickly,
but he was not top five. That's the last one
(36:17):
to do it. But if you go then before that one,
before twenty fourteen, I'll read you the best player on
the team Lebron, Kobe Duncan, Shack Dirk. You could argue
the Celtics had a year, but KG was like second
or third in MVP voting and Paul Pierce was the
finals MVP. They were both great players. I like Jason Tatum,
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but we've got a history. There's two outliers to not
having a top five player and winning a title, the
twenty fourteen Spurs and that Pistons team. And that was
as much they were huge underdogs of the Lakers. That
was about the Lakers locker room imploding. Malone, Kobe, Shack Bill,
the locker room imploded. They were huge favorites over Detroit.
(37:05):
So it's pretty clear. Having the best or second best
player in the league, having an iconic first ballot unbelievable,
no doubt about it, all time great player. It absolutely matters,
and that's what Luca is. So I get it. What's
fascinating about Tatum. If you gave me the league, I'm
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a general manager. You're a general manager, and you say it,
give me five or six guys to start my franchise.
I think Tatum's probably five or six for me. But
if you're talking just best player at any one time
on the floor, take the big shot. I'm like Zach Lowe.
I've got him like seven to eight, and that's where
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I kind of find him now. I think he'll be
the second best player in the finals. But there will
be games in this finals that Kyrie plays better than Tatum.
They'll be at least one or two of those. Very
rarely did you get to the finals and somebody will
play better than Luca, Michael Jordan or Jokich. That's very rare.
There will be a game in this series, maybe all
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of them. Lucas clearly better, Kyrie is two, and they'll
be at least one game Jalen Brown plays better than Tatum.
That historically does not win you the finals. Now, I
like Boston. I'm picking Boston, crossing my fingers on Porzingis's health.
I picked him to get to the finals. I think
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they're very good, maybe a tad two collaborative, but I
think they're so deep offensively. I think Dallas is just
going to be chasing threes all over the court. Spread
their defense out, allow them to drive and score at
the rim, get lively out of there. I think Boston wins.
I think it's a great series. I think Luca's going
to have forty multiple times. But there is a history
(38:55):
the last nine finals champions. It is a lot of
Yokich Steph, lebron KD lebron staff KD. That's a lot
of what it is, no doubt about it. Forty five
seconds left. Everybody knows who's everybody knows the best player
on the floor. I'm sorry, j Mac, but the best
(39:15):
player on the floor in this series is Luca.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, I'm not disputing that.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I don't think anybody would argue that. Nobody with a
brain would argue lucas not the best player on the floor.
The problem and I know Zach Low a little bit.
I see him around of games. Whatever he's saying, Tatum's
not a top five guy in the league, and I.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Think you're agreeing with you. I agree, Collin, something's not
adding up here.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
First Team All NBA this year, Jason Tatum was one
of the top five first team All NBA.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Last year, Jason Tatum was one of the top five
hold on the year before that. That's three straight.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Seasons he's been first team All you have to remember,
meaning one of the top five.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Like All Pro and football. There are positions. He's a forward.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
No, no, they don't do position. They didn't do him
this year. They just picked the.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Best the two years prior they did and he was forward. Fine,
but I'll give you Giannis, I'll give you, I'll give
you Jokic. But after that there's you can't tell me
because the two playoffs here is Anthony Edwards is better
than Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You can't do that. You just cannot.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
I'm not gonna let you, so find me the two
other guys better than Jason Tatum. But I don't want
to hear Joel Embiid And I know Zach Loo's a
big Joel Embiid fan.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Sorry, Zach, I've been pushing back on Joel Embid.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
We understand the reality he's hurt all the freaking time. Yeah,
so give me the other guys better than Tatum in
the league.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think Sga is a more natural scorer.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'll disagree. I mean, he's really good.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think Anthony Davis gives me more dominant defensive performances
plus twenty four a game. I think there's a players
that can be I think Anthony Davis, the best defensive
player in the year and on any night, can give
me the twenty six Tatum can.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Guy who doesn't talk about somebody who doesn't show up
in fourth quarters, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
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