June 5, 2024 • 31 mins
Thoughts and predictions on the up coming NBA Finals
Colin gives his thoughts on LeBron James' recent comments about Kyrie Irving
Guest: Rachel Nichols
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Covering the NBA for over thirty years. Rachel Nichols and Rachel,
I'm just gonna say this, I've never taken my wife
to Paris. I was just seeing pictures. I just watched
a great documentary on Netflix about an art thief in Paris,
and the whole time, I'm like, he's stealing stuff, and
I'm thinking, I gotta take my wife there. And Rachel
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is nice enough to say I've had the great pleasure
of going there, and so you said it was the
best city you've ever been doing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Best city in the world. I've been to many, many
international cities. If you have a chance to go to Paris.
Not in this summer it's very hot and many things
are closed, but the spring and fall it is fabulous
and there's you know, cheap plates at those times of
year and I'm telling you, it's the place to be
favorite city in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah. So Lebron said something I'm gonna play this tape
on his podcast with JJ Reddick about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I'm playing like, so happy and so proud and to
watch him and continue his growth in whatever case may be.
And at the same time I'm so mad at the
same time that I am not his running mate anymore.
He's the most gifted player the NBA has ever seen.
He has the best gifts I've ever seen any NBA player.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Now, people may raise their eyebrows, but I think within
the industry, if you ask players, that's viewed as not hyperbolic.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah. I mean, it's so interesting because so many players
are in awe of him and speak so highly of him.
But he had chances to go to many of those teams.
He was a free agent just last summer. I mean,
that's what's interesting about Lebron talking about this. It's not
like Kyrie was unattainable. He was a free agent this
past summer and interested a memory showed up at a
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Lakers game before he signed his Magic contract. I mean,
he was expressing his interest and the Lakers definitely could
have made the cap space for him and could have
had the cap space to outbid.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
What Dallas ultimately paid him.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Dallas didn't pay him the max money in years, so
it was all there, and the Lakers elected not to
do it. And I don't know the conversations that went
on between Lebron and management, but they elected not to
do it. So when he sits there and says I
wish I was his running mate, that could have happened
just as recently as nine months ago. But it didn't happen,
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and it was interesting. In Boston just a few minutes ago,
Kyrie was asked about this quote from Lebron and he said,
he said, he sure knows how to stir things up
and get people talking about us, which we know Lebron
is the master of that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I would argue, Rachel, let's pretend I'm Genie Buss and
Rob Polinka for a second, and I will defend the
Lakers on Kyrie, because I said, when Dallas made the move,
they had to, Okay, they moved off bruntson yep, Jalen
immediately goes to New York and starts crushing It's a
bad look for Mark Cuban. It's like, Okay, we sat
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here for years on Dirk and couldn't get him a guy.
So I thought at the time, you got to take
a big swing.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But the Lakers, I could see Genie saying, listen, we
already feel a little owned by Lebron because of his contract.
We saw what Kyrie did in Brooklyn where they felt trapped.
I could see the Lakers, and I think they're prudent
in saying, listen, we've got a guy that we love
in Lebron, but there's some maintenance here. We're not going
to do that with two. So I can commerce is
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funny that way. What's good for the Mavericks. I don't
think was great for the Lakers. I can see themselves
talking themselves out.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I can you'r one hundred percent rate that I can
see them talking themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I think it was less about would he be better
for the Lakers of the Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
He was a big risk last summer.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It didn't quite work out in Dallas when he first
got there, so no, I mean it was really there
wasn't a ton of interest around the league. Obviously he
showed up at the Lakers game. He and Lebron had
been talking.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But it was a big risk, and it was a
big risk for the Mavericks too.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It was a risk for them to give up as
much as they did to get him when he had
an open contract for that summer, and it was a
risk for them to resign them and they wanted to
take that leap, and the Lakers did not want to
take that leap.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And there is no question it was not an easy decision.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But the Dallas Mavericks, even before he got there, had
faith that between playing with Luca and Jason Kidd, who
had such a great relationship with him already, that they
could turn Kyrie back into the exceptional player that he
had been before. And it was just great timing because
Kyrie has done a lot of work personally to and
personal growth to make him a better teammate and just
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sort of functioning at his highest level. And he again
he talked about that today too. Is in terms of
his relationship with Lebron, he said, there's a lot of
leadership things I picked up from playing with Lebron, And
he said also at times in series, it really sticks
with him the way Lebron would just sort of demand
excellence and say this is it. You know, whether we're losing,
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we're winning, this is the time you got to go
for the jugular. And there's sort of the famous story
of Lebron in Game seven of the twenty sixteen Finals halftime,
just going at everyone and being like, this is going
to be the greatest half of basketball of your life.
And I think that the Mavericks could certainly find themselves
in one of those kinds of positions throughout this series.
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And it will be interesting if Kyrie is using Lebron's
sort of tactics to help be a leader and rile.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Up his team.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So that connection is still there, and it was impressive
hearing him talk about it today. But he's a Maverick now,
and you know he signed the contract. They're not getting
rid of him. He's really happy in Dallas. He and
Luca have formed such a great bond. So Lebron may
want him, but I don't think he's available to the
Lakers now.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
He was last summer.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, so I had said I think it was on
May fifteenth the day I said it. I think it
was around there that I said, there's been ten players.
We have a graphic for it There's been ten players
in my life that have changed the way we view basketball.
Kareem had the unstoppable shot, Magic the unicorn point guard,
Larry Bird the best shooter in the league, get forward,
Steph Curry, changing range, shack size, and power. And I said,
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Yo Kitchen Luca are probably not there yet because they
don't have multiple titles. But Yo Kitchen, Luka are doing
things that I've never seen. Yo Kitch is literally the
most skilled big of all time. Makes he makes shack
Field unskilled. He makes a Keem feel less skilled. And
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Luca is offensively everybody talks about acceleration, he deaccelerates. He's
literally changed the way offensive players view the game. And
I don't think Luka and Jokic. Maybe it's fair to
put him into this group yet, but I think they're
on the precipice that really close to you. Does What
is a title cement for Luca? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean, I think that title would be just furthering
the expectation we already had for him. We all when
he got into the league, we knew how good he was.
He had won the EuroBasket title, he'd won the MVP
of the finals as an eighteen year old kid playing
against grown men, and it was just obvious that this
kid had all of the intangibles. So I think it
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will be fulfilling an expectation that we had of him
and really bringing him to.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That upper echelon next level.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
He's never won an MVP, right, so I think that
puts him in that conversation. I think, you know, there's
just a lot of things that he could get catapulted
up to from stop being the guy who just has
so much potential to being one of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, you know, I have. There's something I love. There
is something about European players. So the European is you know,
you've traveled there more than I have. The European culture
is different. You have the French school system. They drink
wine with their parents earlier. It's a more liberal, more smokers,
kids grow up faster. It's just different than our culture.
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The train system, you know, everybody speaks multiple languages. These
European guys crack me up, Like I mean, it just
wouldn't shock me at all if I went on a
vacation somewhere anywhere overseas and I walked into a place
and Luca was there, having a bar and a smoke. Yes,
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And it's like there is an elegance and your ability
in Europe, unless maybe you're a soccer prodigy, that it's different.
But there is something about European players, not that they're aloof,
but there's an elegant sort of they really do they
never ever fully and this isn't the criticism. They're Europeans.
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They're proud of it. Yeah, that's the home country. They
come here, they embrace it, they love America.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But then they go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Home and they go home and they cherish it. Yes,
and I just I'm fascinated by it. They embrace what
we offer. They'll talk to the crowd, they'll play it up.
I don't know if our domestic soccer players feel like that.
They're they're not as dominant, right, There's something about Jokic
and there's something about Luca. I don't know how to
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explain it. I love it, though.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think they're from smaller countries where that national pride
is more communal.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Right, I think a lot of people have pride in
being Americans.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm not saying that, but America is so diverse and
so huge that you don't necessarily feel a great connection
to every single person in this country, right, And I
think in a smaller country with more of a monoculture,
that they feel a greater connection to the whole than
maybe we have the opportunity to do.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And you can see it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Luca was asked just this morning and he's had that
bad knee, he's played almost one hundred games, eight and
he said, oh, are you going to play for Team
Slovenia and the Olympics And he said, if I can,
I want to. That there is that you see it
with Jokic, If I can, I want to, And that
feeling I think makes them really good teammates because they
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are used to being.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Part of these like incredibly close national teams.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We've we've seen it, you know, with the French team
over time. We've seen it with the Spanish team, We've
seen it in the Argentinians, right, We've seen it with
so many guys. So I think when they get here
that transfers. They know how to be part of a
group in a way that's really great, and they are
so resilient to crowds. That's another thing Luka talked about
today because you know, the Boston Garden is going to
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be insane it's going to be insane.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Basketball games where there's like fireworks indoors.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh, there are fights that break out where they have
to clear the arena while the guys are playing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, it is incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And in a place like Boston Garden, you can have
players who it's not that they get so overcome by
what people are saying to them, is they can't hear anymore, right,
and they're scattered because they can't communicate the way they
want to, and then they get off their game in general.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And Luca is never going to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He was talking this morning about a game in Greece
where it's just he's like, that's the craziest I've ever
seen it.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He's like nothing here in America.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So they just come from a different culture and they're
used to different things, and you see those skill sets
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I want to finish it up with the WNBA
question because I said this at the top of the
show that I hope the WNBA is more like country
music than soccer. American soccer fans country music sort of.
They just embrace everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I loved you calling out the ethans of the world.
That was perfect, great, perfect, Sorry, to Ethan, but.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, whereas our American soccer fans sometimes want to pass
code if you want to be part of the club. Yes,
And I think the WNBA is in an acceleration stage,
and I think they should put their arms around the casuals.
But it's different, Like you're loyal, Nobody paid attention to you.
She comes in, Everybody pays attention. There's a little animosity.
You've it and watched it more than I have. Where
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are I I kind of called, I said when Phil
Knight did his manifesto to start Nike, it's kind of
legendary number nine and I've used just at my company.
The volume I've told people number nine is it's not
going to be pretty great. Stuff gets messy when you're
exploding and growing, of course, and I think they're a
bit in a messy stage now. But I think it's fun.
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We have antagonist proach. I think I think the girls
get it. I don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
This was saying, I think the mess news is being
projected onto them. Frankly, I think they're fine. I think
some of the messy news I do think. Look, there's
some people on television, some men, some women who absolutely
know how to talk about this league and have been great,
and then there are some people who have been commentating
on them that basically want to turn all of this
into an episode of the Kardashians. They call them jealous,
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they call them petty for doing things that if you're
a man, you're hard nosed and competitive and flagrant fouls,
you need to do that once in a while, that's
part of the game. And then now you know, so,
I don't think there are some people out there who
have done them a lot of favors, but there are
some people who have and I really appreciate what these
women are doing and going putting themselves out there under
this kind of crazy microscope they have. You know, it's
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interesting with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Angel pointed out
the other day, you can't have a rivalry that helps
the game without me. You have to have the villain,
you have to have the bad guy. And we've seen
that at a couple of points in the NBA game.
If you look at what happened with the Bad Boys
and Bill Lambier and Michael Jordan an era, Michael Jordan
was the mover.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
No one's going to argue he was the most popular guy.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Caitlin Clark is the most popular in that league right now,
so no one's arguing about which side has more fans.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But he couldn't have built his legend.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Without the Bad Boys, without all of that, And that
is where Angel rees sort of what he was.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Talking about essential. Yes to Michael Jordan's toughness, resilience and
iconic statute. Yes, they were essential to it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And a different comparison.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm not comparing them to Burden Magic in terms of
their play, and maybe Caitlin will shoot up to have
an amazing career and Angel won't be quite a Bird
or Magic level player. But whether that happens or not,
I think you can compare Bird and Magic to where
they got the NBA off of tape delay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They popularized the NBA in a way that had never
been popularized before and suddenly was on TV in front
of us live. People can't believe that the NBA Finals
used to be on tape delay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Listen, Caitlin's getting them on private jets now they're literally
now moving off commercial.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
She's getting them on TV in places.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, that's the most important thing is she's getting
them on ABC and on so many of the sort
of big, really premier spots.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
People forget Golf needed a catalyst, our oldest sport, Magic
and Bird, The NBA needed a catalyst, UFC Connor McGregor.
It's okay, Yes, this is not a criticism. Everything outside
of the NFL, and maybe baseball because of its lower
in history, has needed a catalyst.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And it's important. None of this happened overnight, that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's not like she showed up and they were like,
oh my god, Charter Jets. We never thought of it.
This has been a negotiation point between the Players Association
and the league. They were already in the process of
setting it up. Same thing with the broadcast stuff. I mean,
she didn't change what network these women are on, but
she changed the positioning they got beforehand, the amount of
hype going into it, and the ratings. So I just
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think it's okay to talk about both. It's okay to
talk about Caitlyn Clark being the mover in all of this,
and it's okay to talk about the fact that Angel
rees and some of the foils that Caitlin has had
since she came into the.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
League are also essential to this process.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Because we love rivalries, right, we love athletic rivalries and
I'm not talking about cat fights.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I'm talking about sports.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
We love rivalries in sports, and we're getting that with
Caitlin Clark, and I think it's so fun.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
If you pitched a script in Hollywood and didn't have
a villain, they would create one. Yes, that's called development.
That's what they're doing. So great to see is getting
see Rachel Nichols and I'm going to hitch up on
those parish teams. I would surprise and because she doesn't
listen to the show, so good, big surprise.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
We'll say.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
App and j Mack with the news. Is it no?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This is the Herd Line News?
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Can I ask Rachel to follow up? So the one
big beef I had with Angel Reese was when that
girl body checked Caitlin Clark's rees stood up on the
bench and was like, ap plodding. Now you've covered a
lot of NBA. Yes, I play a lot of hoops.
I know Colin's watched NBA like I haven't seen that before.
I thought, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I bet that's not true. Come on, you've never seen you.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Have never seen think a dirty play, Rachel Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I have seen it many I know in the n
I don't think there in the NFL there is a
at a boy when you kind of bury a quarterbacks
Headn't it until late?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
The second quarterback is one thing. You're three shot when
the balls on.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You haven't seen vry a quad dirty blaze.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
There's also a reason he's bounced around the lead.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I get it, but you've seen it, you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I just think that it becomes so top of mind
when you see it. First of all, it's happening right now,
it just happened last weekend, and you're not used to
seeing it in the women's game, partly because a lot
of people haven't watched the women's game.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
He's a very physical game.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I remember I am old enough to remember this. The
late great Bobby Bowden at Florida State. Florida State played
Florida I think years ago, great great rivalry, and it
was so clear that Florida State's game plan yes was
to hit Florida's quarterback late, repeatedly and when questioned about it,
Bobby Bowden very endearing as always. Yeah, Dad, gum, we
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don't practice stuff. But I remember watching the game and thinking, oh,
this is what they practiced this week. Of course, hitting late.
So I think. I think in hockey, if you don't
have an enforcer, like if you didn't have an enforcer
like Larry Robbins for years, it was a game plan
to go after the star and jam him into the boards.
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Women can do it too.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You could fight in hockey like basketball.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'll give you that. That's a little different. I actually
had a question for you, how many hot dogs? It's
too many hot dogs? Is that really frightened me?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And you?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That off still the beginning of the show. I'm worried
about how much of my life saved.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Dogs microwave a hot dog for thirty seconds. That's my dinner.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I mean, I give them to my kids all the time.
Are my kids like not going to make it past
eighteen study? Okay, all right, you made me very nervous.
I'm just saying, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Let's get to the NFL s to Von Diggs, two
months removed from being traded from the Bills to the
Text and spoke yesterday for the first time about the deal.
Listen to what he had to say about Josh Allen color.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I felt like he was a like answer gate piece
in my career because at that point, you know, when
I left Minnesota or whatever, like I was, I presume
it was like I was a good player in it saying,
but I always felt more for myself. I felt like
I was better than that, that I could be better
than that. You know, when I got to Buffalo Josh's,
you know, Josh is still my guy. You know what
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I'm saying, Like people don't really understand when it's like
to be out. You know what I'm saying that he
really he really embraced me.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
He Un'm saying.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
He kind of had this Southern hospitality, you know what
I'm saying. So for me, he embraced me, spent a
lot of time, and I probably wouldn't be right.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Here if it was then.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I love that, like a new Stefan Diggs. I love that.
That's empowering.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I love that burying the whole like diva wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, he sounded I said experience, I would I
have no problem acquiring stuff on Dick's. I think over
three or four years he like many great receivers, gets
you know, he can be a little bit dramatic, but
he doesn't blow locker rooms. I didn't blow this locker
room up. That wasn't the situation. There's some drama. The
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wide receiver in the NFL is the first out of
the huddle. He's usually the best athlete. His touchdowns are
the most magnificent. So I think I tend to give
receivers Not everybody's gonna be Larry Fitzgerald and Cooper Cup.
You're gonna get some Steve Largent, you know, like you're
gonna get some you know, Hines Ward is not your
typical wide receiver, like like personality, it's it's generally a
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little more fantastic, a little more celebratory.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Not everybody's Larry Fitzgeral.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's just not the way it works. So you just
gotta But I think Stefon Diggs, I gotta tell you something.
You start stacking up Houston's offensive talent.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Yeah, that's like Jet's caliber offensive talent.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not close. They got four receivers. I like that. What
are you saying, Like you said, I have a left
tackle I trust and a quarterback in his prime, not
an old piece of prime, don't.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
They're running back situation is good, but it doesn't involve
Breese Hall. I'll just say that, Breece Hall man MVP candidate,
we go in Vegas, you gotta put a couple of
bucks down on Breese Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
To do what win the MVP? Zero chance with that
offensive line, but the rebuilt put some money that he
just stays off the irm.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Oh all right, Let's go to the forty nine ers,
who years their first round pick to take wide receiver
Ricky Persol in the draft. Now, he was kind of
a controversial player at the time, and then the Niners
got him, and they're like, wait a minute, they already
have debo. They already have you any believe there's a
scenario where one of those two is expendable. Here's what
Kyle Shanahan said about the young superstar.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's been fun to watch both of them. And I know,
you know, Brock doesn't.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Always get to watch how the route gets there, but
he knows when guys end up on the right spot
and they catch it. That's where quarterbacks get comfortable. And
I think he can fill that with Ricky right away.
I mean, he's been getting.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
To the right spot.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
And when he has made mistakes, he understands it and
corrects it. And he's doing good job. I mean, he's
got really good hands, so he always catched it. He's
gonna have a drop. We're getting a lot of reps.
He's getting a lot of different routes, trying all the positions,
and I've been really impressed with how he started off.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Auk's not at mini camp.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Very disappointing. Don't you know a lot of these people
not a camp. A little disappointed get into that camp thing.
I don't know. Guys doing jumping jacks before the season.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Who party connects with this young kid? By the way,
that new is that a new Niners hat that he
was wearing. I haven't seen that quick Yeah, look like
I had the mesh at the back.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You can wear that with your Lakers jersey on the
beach gun.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Can you get former teammate here, John Lynch to send
me one of those hats?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Those look look cool. I would wear that all right, John,
I know you watched daily Send one of the hats
to the show. He would. We'll wrap up.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
In the NBA, the Spurs currently hold a fourth and
eighth picks in the draft, and a lot of people
are speculating they could package those to go get somebody
out of know Darius Garland, somebody to pair with Wee Binyama.
According to a report, San Diego is willing to deal
their picks and anyone on their roster not named one
Binyama or Devin Vassel, who is a three point gunner.
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The report adds the Spurs want to be competitive next year,
make the playoffs. They don't want this to be a
two or three year process. It could be slim pickings
if they can't get Paul George Donovan, Mitchell, Carl anthonk Downs,
you know, go for a guy. I think Darius Garland
would make sense.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right, Yeah, No, I think Garland makes sense for this role.
He was an All Star and then go do you
have to trade the picks to get him or can?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I think you probably got to give up both those picks.
I mean, he's twenty four years old. Garland's a really
good player. Four and eight could be that. Maybe that's
too much. I don't know. This is not a perceived
as a great draft. It's not like any superstars at
the top.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Nets got some Yukon guys. So those guys.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Going in the big seven footer. But I don't know
that they go with the seven footer having Wemby, you know,
probably not. Yeah, Spurs are an intriguing team this offseason.
The problem is the market is a little murky. There's
just not that much time. I think I'm most interested
in the Knicks. I'm really interested in the piece they
put with this group.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I would go get McHale Bridges. That's my take. Paul
George isn't moving to Nets.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Are giving up mckail bridges to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What do I have to give? I think I could
do it. I think I can wedge him out of
there with the right combination of players.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
But then you gotta watch him across town dominate and
the Knicks will maybe go to the NBA Final.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I tend to be more. I don't worry about that.
If I if I was GM of the Chargers, I
wouldn't worry about the Rams. I mean, we're you know,
we got revenue at the same state.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I don't care about that at all. If if I
at the Volume sent somebody to the Ring or vice versa,
I'm caring. I take care of me. If my business
is good, I don't care about my neighbor, and I
don't if i'm If I'm the Brooklyn Nets, and I
can get a deal and get better and I can
move McHale Bridges and I get draft picks. I mean
they need more players.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
To me, Bridges is interesting because he's a he's a
very good player.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He's also a Villanova guy. He's also he's also he'd
fit into their culture, no nonsense. He's a total adult,
none of that. And I also think Jalen Brunston plays
so many minutes, play so hard between Matt and Timms's practice.
You got to make this thing good now. You can't
wait to r can't be doing draft pick. I would
give up all my draft picks. The Knicks are a smart,
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veteran team of top Villanova guys that went to college
for three and four years. I don't want any nineteen
year olds on this team.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Randall Randall and like three or four picks for Bridges.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, I give you Randall Bogdanovich. Maybe is it the
guy that Ganovich?
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Yeah, you re signed Hartenstein. Anything's possible in the East
van Nick Nicks.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
But I think Michale Bridges is a classic twenty Is
he about twenty a game? Twenty?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
He easily gets your twenty games.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, he's like a thing.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
He could guard multiple positions. Those guys are invaluable in
the league, Like he could guard Jalen Brown one possession,
then Jason Tatum the next one, then Drew Holiday like
he could be anywhere. He's I like him.
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We had Channing Fry funny guy earlier today and he
was on that Calves team that beat the Warriors in
Game seven of the NBA Finals. That's the last game
seven we've had in the Finals. I think it's the
best game seven I recall seeing in my life. And
we asked him, uh to go back because I think
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Celtics MAVs has a chance to be a all time
great finals six or seven games, and I asked him
to go back to that Game seven, and the anxiety
about it as a member of the Calves, well.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
It was crazy.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
I mean honestly, I went like the beginning of the
third quarter, middle of the third quarter, I went to
our trainer Steve and I was like, hey, Steve Man,
I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And he looked at me and he goes, Channing, if you.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
Die, die on that bench, and it just I started
to laugh. And honestly, every single play was so big,
right because they were so good, you had.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
To lock in.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
And I know a lot of people may not remember this.
I think we were down six or seven or eight
at half and Jr. Came in the third quarter and
made five straight points, and that's when we knew that
was like the biggest turning point for us, because usually
when Golden State has a six, seven, eight point lead,
it goes to sixteen.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
The minute we.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Got into one or two, that's when we said, okay,
we got a chance here and the rest is history.
But it was I mean, every time out, I was like,
somebody get me oxygen. I'm not even playing then I'm
over here with anxiety attack.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That is so funny. It is just one of the
great games in the history of the league, and you're
part of that fabric. So good for you, Channing. So
you played with Kyrie, and I was gonna say this
is that pro sports is almost unfair, where especially with
basketball and football, you red shirt. A lot of these
guys come into pro football, they're married, they're twenty three
(28:20):
years old. You're becoming a grown man. A lot of
these kids that come into the NBA, they can't even
drink at the hotel bar. They're nineteen years old. But
we need you to be an adult at nineteen, and
it's hard. And Kyrie has had this maturation process and
he's finally now like he said, Man, I'm a new
guy when you were with him. First of all, his talent.
(28:45):
He may be the only player that Lebron's ever played
with that has more natural gifts. Like what was practice?
Like what was stuff that I didn't see? Like with Kyrie.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
I think during that time that I was there with
Kyrie and Braun, Kyrie really locked into his routine and
the details of things. So, you know, I think whether
he had I don't know if he had that before.
I know he was talented before, but I knew that
every day he did his same routine, It went about
his day as it was an elite job, right, And
(29:20):
I think that's one thing everyone talks about about Braun
is every single day, regardless, you're gonna get six to
eight hours of legit work from Lebron, whether that's on
his body, his mind, on the court. And Kyrie literally
worked on the details so meticulously that he almost doesn't
have a scouting report.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
He doesn't. Sham makes a great analogy.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
Sometimes you have to, you know, most ninety nine per
cent of players have to dictate what moves they're gonna do,
or you know, predetermine what they're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Kyrie literally plays.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Chess while the rest of us are playing checkers. There's
not a move that he's uncomfortable. You wing and like,
he just plays you wanting to go left. Okay, I'll
go left until you stop me, and then I'll go right.
And that's what's crazy about it is that he just
is almost like water. He just flows with whatever you're
gonna give him. He's one of the best shooters I
(30:15):
have ever seen in my life. And that's one thing
that doesn't even get taken into account. If you were
just to become a spot up shooter, I think he'd
be one of the best in the league, if not
the best, next to step next to step.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Obviously he's not. He's in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
But to me, it's just so amazing what his skills
are and when he approaches the game with calmness, that's
when he gets dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Channing Fry all right, j Mac, let's go. I'm going
Celtics in six as we're on the eve of the
NBA Finals. Celtics in six. Jalen Brown overlooked consistent elite
defender twenty four A Night twenty five. Jalen Brown, the
MVP Celtics in six.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
The Eastern Conference Finals, MVP overlooked. I'll go MAVs in six.
Luca legend as the MVP, not very spicy. On my end,
I don't feel super confident in the pick because I've
nailed the MAVs the last two rounds. Obviously that training
could come to an end. But well, the West slight
(31:18):
rooting interest to the MAVs. Who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, I think the better story is the Celtics can't win,
and that Dallas wins, Luca becomes the game's first or
second best player, maybe the first, and the Celtics Jason
Tatum doesn't play great and that drama continues.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
I don't want that nonsense.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'm just saying, you're asking me selfishly what the story is, Right,
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Covering the NBA for over thirty years. Rachel Nichols and Rachel,
I'm just gonna say this, I've never taken my wife
to Paris. I was just seeing pictures. I just watched
a great documentary on Netflix about an art thief in Paris,
and the whole time, I'm like, he's stealing stuff, and
I'm thinking, I gotta take my wife there. And Rachel
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is nice enough to say I've had the great pleasure
of going there, and so you said it was the
best city you've ever been doing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Best city in the world. I've been to many, many
international cities. If you have a chance to go to Paris.
Not in this summer it's very hot and many things
are closed, but the spring and fall it is fabulous
and there's you know, cheap plates at those times of
year and I'm telling you, it's the place to be
favorite city in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah. So Lebron said something I'm gonna play this tape
on his podcast with JJ Reddick about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I'm playing like, so happy and so proud and to
watch him and continue his growth in whatever case may be.
And at the same time I'm so mad at the
same time that I am not his running mate anymore.
He's the most gifted player the NBA has ever seen.
He has the best gifts I've ever seen any NBA player.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Now, people may raise their eyebrows, but I think within
the industry, if you ask players, that's viewed as not hyperbolic.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah. I mean, it's so interesting because so many players
are in awe of him and speak so highly of him.
But he had chances to go to many of those teams.
He was a free agent just last summer. I mean,
that's what's interesting about Lebron talking about this. It's not
like Kyrie was unattainable. He was a free agent this
past summer and interested a memory showed up at a
(02:11):
Lakers game before he signed his Magic contract. I mean,
he was expressing his interest and the Lakers definitely could
have made the cap space for him and could have
had the cap space to outbid.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
What Dallas ultimately paid him.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Dallas didn't pay him the max money in years, so
it was all there, and the Lakers elected not to
do it. And I don't know the conversations that went
on between Lebron and management, but they elected not to
do it. So when he sits there and says I
wish I was his running mate, that could have happened
just as recently as nine months ago. But it didn't happen,
(02:45):
and it was interesting. In Boston just a few minutes ago,
Kyrie was asked about this quote from Lebron and he said,
he said, he sure knows how to stir things up
and get people talking about us, which we know Lebron
is the master of that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I would argue, Rachel, let's pretend I'm Genie Buss and
Rob Polinka for a second, and I will defend the
Lakers on Kyrie, because I said, when Dallas made the move,
they had to, Okay, they moved off bruntson yep, Jalen
immediately goes to New York and starts crushing It's a
bad look for Mark Cuban. It's like, Okay, we sat
(03:22):
here for years on Dirk and couldn't get him a guy.
So I thought at the time, you got to take
a big swing.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But the Lakers, I could see Genie saying, listen, we
already feel a little owned by Lebron because of his contract.
We saw what Kyrie did in Brooklyn where they felt trapped.
I could see the Lakers, and I think they're prudent
in saying, listen, we've got a guy that we love
in Lebron, but there's some maintenance here. We're not going
to do that with two. So I can commerce is
(03:53):
funny that way. What's good for the Mavericks. I don't
think was great for the Lakers. I can see themselves
talking themselves out.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I can you'r one hundred percent rate that I can
see them talking themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I think it was less about would he be better
for the Lakers of the Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
He was a big risk last summer.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It didn't quite work out in Dallas when he first
got there, so no, I mean it was really there
wasn't a ton of interest around the league. Obviously he
showed up at the Lakers game. He and Lebron had
been talking.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But it was a big risk, and it was a
big risk for the Mavericks too.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It was a risk for them to give up as
much as they did to get him when he had
an open contract for that summer, and it was a
risk for them to resign them and they wanted to
take that leap, and the Lakers did not want to
take that leap.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And there is no question it was not an easy decision.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But the Dallas Mavericks, even before he got there, had
faith that between playing with Luca and Jason Kidd, who
had such a great relationship with him already, that they
could turn Kyrie back into the exceptional player that he
had been before. And it was just great timing because
Kyrie has done a lot of work personally to and
personal growth to make him a better teammate and just
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sort of functioning at his highest level. And he again
he talked about that today too. Is in terms of
his relationship with Lebron, he said, there's a lot of
leadership things I picked up from playing with Lebron, And
he said also at times in series, it really sticks
with him the way Lebron would just sort of demand
excellence and say this is it. You know, whether we're losing,
(05:21):
we're winning, this is the time you got to go
for the jugular. And there's sort of the famous story
of Lebron in Game seven of the twenty sixteen Finals halftime,
just going at everyone and being like, this is going
to be the greatest half of basketball of your life.
And I think that the Mavericks could certainly find themselves
in one of those kinds of positions throughout this series.
(05:41):
And it will be interesting if Kyrie is using Lebron's
sort of tactics to help be a leader and rile.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Up his team.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So that connection is still there, and it was impressive
hearing him talk about it today. But he's a Maverick now,
and you know he signed the contract. They're not getting
rid of him. He's really happy in Dallas. He and
Luca have formed such a great bond. So Lebron may
want him, but I don't think he's available to the
Lakers now.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
He was last summer.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, so I had said I think it was on
May fifteenth the day I said it. I think it
was around there that I said, there's been ten players.
We have a graphic for it There's been ten players
in my life that have changed the way we view basketball.
Kareem had the unstoppable shot, Magic the unicorn point guard,
Larry Bird the best shooter in the league, get forward,
Steph Curry, changing range, shack size, and power. And I said,
(06:30):
Yo Kitchen Luca are probably not there yet because they
don't have multiple titles. But Yo Kitchen, Luka are doing
things that I've never seen. Yo Kitch is literally the
most skilled big of all time. Makes he makes shack
Field unskilled. He makes a Keem feel less skilled. And
(06:50):
Luca is offensively everybody talks about acceleration, he deaccelerates. He's
literally changed the way offensive players view the game. And
I don't think Luka and Jokic. Maybe it's fair to
put him into this group yet, but I think they're
on the precipice that really close to you. Does What
is a title cement for Luca? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean, I think that title would be just furthering
the expectation we already had for him. We all when
he got into the league, we knew how good he was.
He had won the EuroBasket title, he'd won the MVP
of the finals as an eighteen year old kid playing
against grown men, and it was just obvious that this
kid had all of the intangibles. So I think it
(07:33):
will be fulfilling an expectation that we had of him
and really bringing him to.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That upper echelon next level.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
He's never won an MVP, right, so I think that
puts him in that conversation. I think, you know, there's
just a lot of things that he could get catapulted
up to from stop being the guy who just has
so much potential to being one of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, you know, I have. There's something I love. There
is something about European players. So the European is you know,
you've traveled there more than I have. The European culture
is different. You have the French school system. They drink
wine with their parents earlier. It's a more liberal, more smokers,
kids grow up faster. It's just different than our culture.
(08:14):
The train system, you know, everybody speaks multiple languages. These
European guys crack me up, Like I mean, it just
wouldn't shock me at all if I went on a
vacation somewhere anywhere overseas and I walked into a place
and Luca was there, having a bar and a smoke. Yes,
(08:35):
And it's like there is an elegance and your ability
in Europe, unless maybe you're a soccer prodigy, that it's different.
But there is something about European players, not that they're aloof,
but there's an elegant sort of they really do they
never ever fully and this isn't the criticism. They're Europeans.
(08:59):
They're proud of it. Yeah, that's the home country. They
come here, they embrace it, they love America.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But then they go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Home and they go home and they cherish it. Yes,
and I just I'm fascinated by it. They embrace what
we offer. They'll talk to the crowd, they'll play it up.
I don't know if our domestic soccer players feel like that.
They're they're not as dominant, right, There's something about Jokic
and there's something about Luca. I don't know how to
(09:27):
explain it. I love it, though.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think they're from smaller countries where that national pride
is more communal.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Right, I think a lot of people have pride in
being Americans.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm not saying that, but America is so diverse and
so huge that you don't necessarily feel a great connection
to every single person in this country, right, And I
think in a smaller country with more of a monoculture,
that they feel a greater connection to the whole than
maybe we have the opportunity to do.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And you can see it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Luca was asked just this morning and he's had that
bad knee, he's played almost one hundred games, eight and
he said, oh, are you going to play for Team
Slovenia and the Olympics And he said, if I can,
I want to. That there is that you see it
with Jokic, If I can, I want to, And that
feeling I think makes them really good teammates because they
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are used to being.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Part of these like incredibly close national teams.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We've we've seen it, you know, with the French team
over time. We've seen it with the Spanish team, We've
seen it in the Argentinians, right, We've seen it with
so many guys. So I think when they get here
that transfers. They know how to be part of a
group in a way that's really great, and they are
so resilient to crowds. That's another thing Luka talked about
today because you know, the Boston Garden is going to
(10:41):
be insane it's going to be insane.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Basketball games where there's like fireworks indoors.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh, there are fights that break out where they have
to clear the arena while the guys are playing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, it is incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And in a place like Boston Garden, you can have
players who it's not that they get so overcome by
what people are saying to them, is they can't hear anymore, right,
and they're scattered because they can't communicate the way they
want to, and then they get off their game in general.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And Luca is never going to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He was talking this morning about a game in Greece
where it's just he's like, that's the craziest I've ever
seen it.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He's like nothing here in America.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So they just come from a different culture and they're
used to different things, and you see those skill sets
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I want to finish it up with the WNBA
question because I said this at the top of the
show that I hope the WNBA is more like country
music than soccer. American soccer fans country music sort of.
They just embrace everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I loved you calling out the ethans of the world.
That was perfect, great, perfect, Sorry, to Ethan, but.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, whereas our American soccer fans sometimes want to pass
code if you want to be part of the club. Yes,
And I think the WNBA is in an acceleration stage,
and I think they should put their arms around the casuals.
But it's different, Like you're loyal, Nobody paid attention to you.
She comes in, Everybody pays attention. There's a little animosity.
You've it and watched it more than I have. Where
(12:04):
are I I kind of called, I said when Phil
Knight did his manifesto to start Nike, it's kind of
legendary number nine and I've used just at my company.
The volume I've told people number nine is it's not
going to be pretty great. Stuff gets messy when you're
exploding and growing, of course, and I think they're a
bit in a messy stage now. But I think it's fun.
(12:26):
We have antagonist proach. I think I think the girls
get it. I don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
This was saying, I think the mess news is being
projected onto them. Frankly, I think they're fine. I think
some of the messy news I do think. Look, there's
some people on television, some men, some women who absolutely
know how to talk about this league and have been great,
and then there are some people who have been commentating
on them that basically want to turn all of this
into an episode of the Kardashians. They call them jealous,
(12:51):
they call them petty for doing things that if you're
a man, you're hard nosed and competitive and flagrant fouls,
you need to do that once in a while, that's
part of the game. And then now you know, so,
I don't think there are some people out there who
have done them a lot of favors, but there are
some people who have and I really appreciate what these
women are doing and going putting themselves out there under
this kind of crazy microscope they have. You know, it's
(13:12):
interesting with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Angel pointed out
the other day, you can't have a rivalry that helps
the game without me. You have to have the villain,
you have to have the bad guy. And we've seen
that at a couple of points in the NBA game.
If you look at what happened with the Bad Boys
and Bill Lambier and Michael Jordan an era, Michael Jordan
was the mover.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
No one's going to argue he was the most popular guy.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Caitlin Clark is the most popular in that league right now,
so no one's arguing about which side has more fans.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But he couldn't have built his legend.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Without the Bad Boys, without all of that, And that
is where Angel rees sort of what he was.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Talking about essential. Yes to Michael Jordan's toughness, resilience and
iconic statute. Yes, they were essential to it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And a different comparison.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm not comparing them to Burden Magic in terms of
their play, and maybe Caitlin will shoot up to have
an amazing career and Angel won't be quite a Bird
or Magic level player. But whether that happens or not,
I think you can compare Bird and Magic to where
they got the NBA off of tape delay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They popularized the NBA in a way that had never
been popularized before and suddenly was on TV in front
of us live. People can't believe that the NBA Finals
used to be on tape delay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Listen, Caitlin's getting them on private jets now they're literally
now moving off commercial.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
She's getting them on TV in places.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, that's the most important thing is she's getting
them on ABC and on so many of the sort
of big, really premier spots.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
People forget Golf needed a catalyst, our oldest sport, Magic
and Bird, The NBA needed a catalyst, UFC Connor McGregor.
It's okay, Yes, this is not a criticism. Everything outside
of the NFL, and maybe baseball because of its lower
in history, has needed a catalyst.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And it's important. None of this happened overnight, that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's not like she showed up and they were like,
oh my god, Charter Jets. We never thought of it.
This has been a negotiation point between the Players Association
and the league. They were already in the process of
setting it up. Same thing with the broadcast stuff. I mean,
she didn't change what network these women are on, but
she changed the positioning they got beforehand, the amount of
hype going into it, and the ratings. So I just
(15:20):
think it's okay to talk about both. It's okay to
talk about Caitlyn Clark being the mover in all of this,
and it's okay to talk about the fact that Angel
rees and some of the foils that Caitlin has had
since she came into the.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
League are also essential to this process.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Because we love rivalries, right, we love athletic rivalries and
I'm not talking about cat fights.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I'm talking about sports.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
We love rivalries in sports, and we're getting that with
Caitlin Clark, and I think it's so fun.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
If you pitched a script in Hollywood and didn't have
a villain, they would create one. Yes, that's called development.
That's what they're doing. So great to see is getting
see Rachel Nichols and I'm going to hitch up on
those parish teams. I would surprise and because she doesn't
listen to the show, so good, big surprise.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
We'll say.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yet, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
App and j Mack with the news. Is it no?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This is the Herd Line News?
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Can I ask Rachel to follow up? So the one
big beef I had with Angel Reese was when that
girl body checked Caitlin Clark's rees stood up on the
bench and was like, ap plodding. Now you've covered a
lot of NBA. Yes, I play a lot of hoops.
I know Colin's watched NBA like I haven't seen that before.
I thought, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I bet that's not true. Come on, you've never seen you.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Have never seen think a dirty play, Rachel Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I have seen it many I know in the n
I don't think there in the NFL there is a
at a boy when you kind of bury a quarterbacks
Headn't it until late?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
The second quarterback is one thing. You're three shot when
the balls on.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You haven't seen vry a quad dirty blaze.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
There's also a reason he's bounced around the lead.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I get it, but you've seen it, you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I just think that it becomes so top of mind
when you see it. First of all, it's happening right now,
it just happened last weekend, and you're not used to
seeing it in the women's game, partly because a lot
of people haven't watched the women's game.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
He's a very physical game.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I remember I am old enough to remember this. The
late great Bobby Bowden at Florida State. Florida State played
Florida I think years ago, great great rivalry, and it
was so clear that Florida State's game plan yes was
to hit Florida's quarterback late, repeatedly and when questioned about it,
Bobby Bowden very endearing as always. Yeah, Dad, gum, we
(17:44):
don't practice stuff. But I remember watching the game and thinking, oh,
this is what they practiced this week. Of course, hitting late.
So I think. I think in hockey, if you don't
have an enforcer, like if you didn't have an enforcer
like Larry Robbins for years, it was a game plan
to go after the star and jam him into the boards.
(18:05):
Women can do it too.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You could fight in hockey like basketball.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'll give you that. That's a little different. I actually
had a question for you, how many hot dogs? It's
too many hot dogs? Is that really frightened me?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And you?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That off still the beginning of the show. I'm worried
about how much of my life saved.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Dogs microwave a hot dog for thirty seconds. That's my dinner.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I mean, I give them to my kids all the time.
Are my kids like not going to make it past
eighteen study? Okay, all right, you made me very nervous.
I'm just saying, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Let's get to the NFL s to Von Diggs, two
months removed from being traded from the Bills to the
Text and spoke yesterday for the first time about the deal.
Listen to what he had to say about Josh Allen color.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I felt like he was a like answer gate piece
in my career because at that point, you know, when
I left Minnesota or whatever, like I was, I presume
it was like I was a good player in it saying,
but I always felt more for myself. I felt like
I was better than that, that I could be better
than that. You know, when I got to Buffalo Josh's,
you know, Josh is still my guy. You know what
(19:07):
I'm saying, Like people don't really understand when it's like
to be out. You know what I'm saying that he
really he really embraced me.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
He Un'm saying.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
He kind of had this Southern hospitality, you know what
I'm saying. So for me, he embraced me, spent a
lot of time, and I probably wouldn't be right.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Here if it was then.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I love that, like a new Stefan Diggs. I love that.
That's empowering.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I love that burying the whole like diva wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, he sounded I said experience, I would I
have no problem acquiring stuff on Dick's. I think over
three or four years he like many great receivers, gets
you know, he can be a little bit dramatic, but
he doesn't blow locker rooms. I didn't blow this locker
room up. That wasn't the situation. There's some drama. The
(19:53):
wide receiver in the NFL is the first out of
the huddle. He's usually the best athlete. His touchdowns are
the most magnificent. So I think I tend to give
receivers Not everybody's gonna be Larry Fitzgerald and Cooper Cup.
You're gonna get some Steve Largent, you know, like you're
gonna get some you know, Hines Ward is not your
typical wide receiver, like like personality, it's it's generally a
(20:16):
little more fantastic, a little more celebratory.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Not everybody's Larry Fitzgeral.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's just not the way it works. So you just
gotta But I think Stefon Diggs, I gotta tell you something.
You start stacking up Houston's offensive talent.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Yeah, that's like Jet's caliber offensive talent.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not close. They got four receivers. I like that. What
are you saying, Like you said, I have a left
tackle I trust and a quarterback in his prime, not
an old piece of prime, don't.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
They're running back situation is good, but it doesn't involve
Breese Hall. I'll just say that, Breece Hall man MVP candidate,
we go in Vegas, you gotta put a couple of
bucks down on Breese Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
To do what win the MVP? Zero chance with that
offensive line, but the rebuilt put some money that he
just stays off the irm.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Oh all right, Let's go to the forty nine ers,
who years their first round pick to take wide receiver
Ricky Persol in the draft. Now, he was kind of
a controversial player at the time, and then the Niners
got him, and they're like, wait a minute, they already
have debo. They already have you any believe there's a
scenario where one of those two is expendable. Here's what
Kyle Shanahan said about the young superstar.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's been fun to watch both of them. And I know,
you know, Brock doesn't.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Always get to watch how the route gets there, but
he knows when guys end up on the right spot
and they catch it. That's where quarterbacks get comfortable. And
I think he can fill that with Ricky right away.
I mean, he's been getting.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
To the right spot.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
And when he has made mistakes, he understands it and
corrects it. And he's doing good job. I mean, he's
got really good hands, so he always catched it. He's
gonna have a drop. We're getting a lot of reps.
He's getting a lot of different routes, trying all the positions,
and I've been really impressed with how he started off.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Auk's not at mini camp.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Very disappointing. Don't you know a lot of these people
not a camp. A little disappointed get into that camp thing.
I don't know. Guys doing jumping jacks before the season.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Who party connects with this young kid? By the way,
that new is that a new Niners hat that he
was wearing. I haven't seen that quick Yeah, look like
I had the mesh at the back.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You can wear that with your Lakers jersey on the
beach gun.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Can you get former teammate here, John Lynch to send
me one of those hats?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Those look look cool. I would wear that all right, John,
I know you watched daily Send one of the hats
to the show. He would. We'll wrap up.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
In the NBA, the Spurs currently hold a fourth and
eighth picks in the draft, and a lot of people
are speculating they could package those to go get somebody
out of know Darius Garland, somebody to pair with Wee Binyama.
According to a report, San Diego is willing to deal
their picks and anyone on their roster not named one
Binyama or Devin Vassel, who is a three point gunner.
(22:52):
The report adds the Spurs want to be competitive next year,
make the playoffs. They don't want this to be a
two or three year process. It could be slim pickings
if they can't get Paul George Donovan, Mitchell, Carl anthonk Downs,
you know, go for a guy. I think Darius Garland
would make sense.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right, Yeah, No, I think Garland makes sense for this role.
He was an All Star and then go do you
have to trade the picks to get him or can?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I think you probably got to give up both those picks.
I mean, he's twenty four years old. Garland's a really
good player. Four and eight could be that. Maybe that's
too much. I don't know. This is not a perceived
as a great draft. It's not like any superstars at
the top.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Nets got some Yukon guys. So those guys.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Going in the big seven footer. But I don't know
that they go with the seven footer having Wemby, you know,
probably not. Yeah, Spurs are an intriguing team this offseason.
The problem is the market is a little murky. There's
just not that much time. I think I'm most interested
in the Knicks. I'm really interested in the piece they
put with this group.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I would go get McHale Bridges. That's my take. Paul
George isn't moving to Nets.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Are giving up mckail bridges to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What do I have to give? I think I could
do it. I think I can wedge him out of
there with the right combination of players.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
But then you gotta watch him across town dominate and
the Knicks will maybe go to the NBA Final.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I tend to be more. I don't worry about that.
If I if I was GM of the Chargers, I
wouldn't worry about the Rams. I mean, we're you know,
we got revenue at the same state.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I don't care about that at all. If if I
at the Volume sent somebody to the Ring or vice versa,
I'm caring. I take care of me. If my business
is good, I don't care about my neighbor, and I
don't if i'm If I'm the Brooklyn Nets, and I
can get a deal and get better and I can
move McHale Bridges and I get draft picks. I mean
they need more players.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
To me, Bridges is interesting because he's a he's a
very good player.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He's also a Villanova guy. He's also he's also he'd
fit into their culture, no nonsense. He's a total adult,
none of that. And I also think Jalen Brunston plays
so many minutes, play so hard between Matt and Timms's practice.
You got to make this thing good now. You can't
wait to r can't be doing draft pick. I would
give up all my draft picks. The Knicks are a smart,
(25:00):
veteran team of top Villanova guys that went to college
for three and four years. I don't want any nineteen
year olds on this team.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Randall Randall and like three or four picks for Bridges.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, I give you Randall Bogdanovich. Maybe is it the
guy that Ganovich?
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Yeah, you re signed Hartenstein. Anything's possible in the East
van Nick Nicks.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
But I think Michale Bridges is a classic twenty Is
he about twenty a game? Twenty?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
He easily gets your twenty games.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, he's like a thing.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
He could guard multiple positions. Those guys are invaluable in
the league, Like he could guard Jalen Brown one possession,
then Jason Tatum the next one, then Drew Holiday like
he could be anywhere. He's I like him.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News barely even
trying in This show is good today.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
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Speaker 1 (26:27):
We had Channing Fry funny guy earlier today and he
was on that Calves team that beat the Warriors in
Game seven of the NBA Finals. That's the last game
seven we've had in the Finals. I think it's the
best game seven I recall seeing in my life. And
we asked him, uh to go back because I think
(26:47):
Celtics MAVs has a chance to be a all time
great finals six or seven games, and I asked him
to go back to that Game seven, and the anxiety
about it as a member of the Calves, well.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
It was crazy.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
I mean honestly, I went like the beginning of the
third quarter, middle of the third quarter, I went to
our trainer Steve and I was like, hey, Steve Man,
I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And he looked at me and he goes, Channing, if you.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
Die, die on that bench, and it just I started
to laugh. And honestly, every single play was so big,
right because they were so good, you had.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
To lock in.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
And I know a lot of people may not remember this.
I think we were down six or seven or eight
at half and Jr. Came in the third quarter and
made five straight points, and that's when we knew that
was like the biggest turning point for us, because usually
when Golden State has a six, seven, eight point lead,
it goes to sixteen.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
The minute we.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Got into one or two, that's when we said, okay,
we got a chance here and the rest is history.
But it was I mean, every time out, I was like,
somebody get me oxygen. I'm not even playing then I'm
over here with anxiety attack.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That is so funny. It is just one of the
great games in the history of the league, and you're
part of that fabric. So good for you, Channing. So
you played with Kyrie, and I was gonna say this
is that pro sports is almost unfair, where especially with
basketball and football, you red shirt. A lot of these
guys come into pro football, they're married, they're twenty three
(28:20):
years old. You're becoming a grown man. A lot of
these kids that come into the NBA, they can't even
drink at the hotel bar. They're nineteen years old. But
we need you to be an adult at nineteen, and
it's hard. And Kyrie has had this maturation process and
he's finally now like he said, Man, I'm a new
guy when you were with him. First of all, his talent.
(28:45):
He may be the only player that Lebron's ever played
with that has more natural gifts. Like what was practice?
Like what was stuff that I didn't see? Like with Kyrie.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
I think during that time that I was there with
Kyrie and Braun, Kyrie really locked into his routine and
the details of things. So, you know, I think whether
he had I don't know if he had that before.
I know he was talented before, but I knew that
every day he did his same routine, It went about
his day as it was an elite job, right, And
(29:20):
I think that's one thing everyone talks about about Braun
is every single day, regardless, you're gonna get six to
eight hours of legit work from Lebron, whether that's on
his body, his mind, on the court. And Kyrie literally
worked on the details so meticulously that he almost doesn't
have a scouting report.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
He doesn't. Sham makes a great analogy.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
Sometimes you have to, you know, most ninety nine per
cent of players have to dictate what moves they're gonna do,
or you know, predetermine what they're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Kyrie literally plays.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Chess while the rest of us are playing checkers. There's
not a move that he's uncomfortable. You wing and like,
he just plays you wanting to go left. Okay, I'll
go left until you stop me, and then I'll go right.
And that's what's crazy about it is that he just
is almost like water. He just flows with whatever you're
gonna give him. He's one of the best shooters I
(30:15):
have ever seen in my life. And that's one thing
that doesn't even get taken into account. If you were
just to become a spot up shooter, I think he'd
be one of the best in the league, if not
the best, next to step next to step.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Obviously he's not. He's in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
But to me, it's just so amazing what his skills
are and when he approaches the game with calmness, that's
when he gets dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Channing Fry all right, j Mac, let's go. I'm going
Celtics in six as we're on the eve of the
NBA Finals. Celtics in six. Jalen Brown overlooked consistent elite
defender twenty four A Night twenty five. Jalen Brown, the
MVP Celtics in six.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
The Eastern Conference Finals, MVP overlooked. I'll go MAVs in six.
Luca legend as the MVP, not very spicy. On my end,
I don't feel super confident in the pick because I've
nailed the MAVs the last two rounds. Obviously that training
could come to an end. But well, the West slight
(31:18):
rooting interest to the MAVs. Who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, I think the better story is the Celtics can't win,
and that Dallas wins, Luca becomes the game's first or
second best player, maybe the first, and the Celtics Jason
Tatum doesn't play great and that drama continues.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
I don't want that nonsense.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'm just saying, you're asking me selfishly what the story is, Right,
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