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Jmak gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm watching. What is happening? We have an exploding sport.
I remember about fifteen years ago when the UFC exploded
and then they're catalyst was ultimately for massive growth was
Connor McGregor. That they'd been popular before then, but Connor
McGregor lit it on fire and he came with controversy
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and from then on out they are rolling as a sport.
As we just lost powers. Briefly in the building. But
the WNBA is doing the same. Last night, Angel Reese
ejected from the game. Yesterday we said she's the Draymond Green.
She got ejected. She waved off the officials twice, waved
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them off. They said, you can't do that, Tea, you're
out of here. Good news. It was only two hundred bucks.
You can crowdsource that. What you're seeing right now. They
call this in Hollywood character development. Caitlin Clark the star,
Angel Reese the antagonist, the media fueling the story, Kennedy
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Carter a bit part little villain. This is how it worked.
That's what we want in sports drama, conflict. But I
want to offer, if I may, as a casual, Oh my,
I'm a casual, a little advice, been doing this a
long time. The WNBA, if you have a choice, and
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you do be a little like country music. One of
the things I've always liked and admired about country music.
Doesn't matter where you're from, doesn't matter how long you've
been into it. It's an easy entry. Hey, Kenny Chesney's
in town tonight. I want to go. Yeah. And it
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feels like as you're drinking a beer, smoking whatever, dancing,
having a good time at ten forty five at night,
East Coast, West, Midwest, South. You're part of the party.
No judging Beyonce, Post Malone or in country music jelly
roll look like country music in the seventies. Nobody cares.
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It's a party, Come on in and have fun. That's
the opposite of the American soccer fan, especially the young ones.
Every Grayson, every Ethan, every Josh judgmental. The minute you
like soccer, are you part of the club? Three knocks
in a pass code. There's this weird purity to it.
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It's just to turn off and I love soccer. Stop
quizzing us. We'll figure out what offsides means. But the
WNBA now is embarking on the explosion and embrace era.
Open your arms to new fans. Don't judge them because
they didn't cover you before. You weren't that popular. You
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were UFC before a couple of their early stars like
Connor McGregor Niche growing good business strategy. A lot to like,
But every sport needs a catalyst. Outside of the traditional baseball, basketball, football,
even basketball, I could argue the NBA needed Magic and
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Bird in the seventies. A lot of stories about cocaine,
drug use, bankruptcy, horrendous owners m the Arenas taped, delayed
NBA finals after the eleven o'clock news. Even pro basketball
at one point in America needed a catalyst. You've got yours.
Be like country music. What are you doing tonight, Let's go.
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Let's not be judged. It doesn't matter if people have
been into the WNBA before. I wasn't now I am.
America is very tribal, right now, got to pick a side, right,
but we've always been better as a country, as a
campfire than a closed door. Right now, Caitlin Clark's the
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rising hero, Angel Reese the antagonist. But it's fluid. Why
can't I change my mind? Vote Democrat, vote Republican. Maybe
I like Angel reason year and be tired of Caitlin
Clark either way, open your arms, don't be soccer douib.
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Don't be too good for people that want to join
the club. You're exploding. It's fun. There's character development, be
like a streaming service. Whoever joins joins. They may leave,
but just try to get him back. Offer new character development,
Try to get him back. We're always better as a
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campfire than a closed door. I'm watching the WNBA may not.
When the football season starts, I'll leave the streaming service.
You'll get me back next May, June, and July. And
that's okay. Most of my listeners, my most die hard
listeners for twenty years, listen twice a week. Those are
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the diehards. Casuals are always welcome. Nothing casual about the
NFL and about the way the Green Bay Packers do quarterbacks,
which is to say they always do it right. So
I tend to believe we are all sort of our resumes.
I will judge you when you walk in the door,
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if you have some age to you, based on your resume,
your life. I'm not seeking perfection, thankfully my wife isn't either,
But your resumes matter. Don't dismiss your actions and your
choices and your judgment over time. I will make judgment
based on your life choices. And when it comes to quarterbacks,
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green Bay's really good at it. And even though I'd
like to see six, seven, eight more starts from Jordan Love,
I only really got a great December and January. The
Packers are and have seen enough. They'rein GM. Brian koten
Kun's told local media in Milwaukee we're working on a deal.
It should be done soon.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
We're in those conversations right now.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
And I think a nice part about this is none
of these things are always easier fast.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But both parties want the same thing.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
You know, we'd like we'd like to get this done,
you know, before training camp for sure, and you know,
both parties want to want to get get a contract
exception done.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I think that that.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Stability at that position really allows you to you know,
I have some security with the way we build our team,
so we're looking forward to getting that done.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But it never it never goes fast.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Jordan Love last year was bad early, good, middle, great
late in December, eleven touchdowns, one pick, sixty nine percent
completion percentage in a one oh seven passer rating. Yeah,
Jordan Love. Though if he goes to Tennessee, maybe Carolina
plays too early. Could have been a disaster. This is
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what the Packers do. They draft their patient and they develop.
Look at your own life. How valuable was your mom,
maybe a high football coach, maybe an aunt, maybe your
first boss who had patients. Jordan Love got busted for
smoking pot in college, had a bad junior year. I
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talked to gms who weren't in him at all, but
those were gms that needed quarterbacks to play immediately. Green
Bay never does. They moved off far Brett had one
more great year in him than regressed. They moved off
Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Love by December looked better. Jordan Love
could have easily been another first round miss, a discarded
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quarterback in a league full of them. But instead Green
Bay and Matt Lafleur and Brian gooden Kunz, this is
what they do. Found him, were patient, they developed, and
in one season last year he went from bad to
pretty good to wow. And they're all in guidance patients.
Green Bay treats quarterbacks in a way like we should
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all treat our kids. They get frustrated, but they keep
imparting wisdom, they keep being patient, They take their time,
and then before anybody else quite sees it, they go
all in. And they've been right three times in a row.
No other franchise in league history has done quarterbacks from
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drafting and developing better than the smallest market in America
for pro sports. I've always said sometimes there's a disadvantage
to being in New York, DC, Philadelphia, Los Angeles. You
have more money and waste more money. They can't afford
to do that. In Green Bay, free agents generally don't
choose them, and that patience once again pays off at
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the sport's most important position. Jordan Love should have a
contract before the season starts. J Max, I'm telling you
this WNBA stuff. I love now. Angel rees waving off
the officials, not for me, for others, and they find
her two in her buck. You get two hundred dollars
fine in the w NBA for the first three t's
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and then they start ramping it up. Oh that's you
can go to a gofund me crowdsource and they'll pay
for that. I will personally pay for Angel reasons, I
think so.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I think go Lonzo Ball was at the game and
said he'll pay for it or something like that. I
figured it's a great I don't know what do you
think she said to the ref.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
She didn't talk to the media afterwards, so we don't
know that she ducked the media again.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You've you've clearly taken a side on the.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I don't have a side. I'm not tribal. I'm gonna
I'm gonna call it like I see it.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Remember I defended Angel Reese at the at the Final
four in twenty what was it twenty three? Or she
was she was pointing at the finger for Caitlin Clark.
Caitlin Clark did the same thing earlier in the tournament.
I defended Reese, So I'm gonna call her out here
like you're you're saying a curse word clearly to a
ref here late in the game, getting a tech and
then waving them off getting a second tech. Like the
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league does need to clean up attack, right. You can't
have people body checking folks.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And would I be leading on my show today four
hundred and fifty affiliates. Would I be leading if she
didn't wave off the ref?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Not character development. This is happening right in front of
our eyes. By the way, You don't think when Connor
McGregor came to the UFC, you don't think he and
Dada White understood the value and doing things that occasionally
ruffles feathers.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Yeah, Connor McGregor gets it. He doesn't care to be
a villain. Was he was on track to be like
a plumber when he was twenty two years old. Floyd
Mayweather knew what he was doing when he became money Mayweather.
This is a like twenty two year old woman who's
a rookie.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
In the WNBA. You think she wants this onslaught of
negativity coming her way.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think she's sort of embracing it. I think she's
careful what you wish for, and we've.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
It.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
It ain't easy, by the way, it's seven, eight, nine,
ten years old. We're all plumbers. It takes the right leadership,
the right guidance, the right timing, the right parents.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Have we ever seen a female athlete embrace the hate
and get on.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
On the ghost. Have we ever seen that?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yes, Megan Rapino kind of likes it. She pokes people
in the ribs. She's had quite a career. I think
we've seen it before. Why are we okay with guys?
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Why?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Why are we okay with men doing it? And we
we have a trouble with women doing it?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Well, I'm fully excited for her to try this. I'm
just saying, be careful what you wish for. There are
not a lot of examples of this. Repino was like in.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think we've had a couple of UFC fighters have
been willing to push back.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
They have the spotlight that Angel Reese does right now.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, spotlight or not, there's a certain there's a
certain microscope on all professional athletes, regardless of league. I mean,
but I think we've had and my takeaway is this.
I'm not saying this is planned, but I don't think.
I don't see you say you're not tribal. But anything
that works people up, they're emotionally embedded in. I find
this to be just a wonderful circus.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
Yousic ita love it. We're talking about it. I talked
them out on my podcast, like this is fun. People
want to hear takes on the WNBA for I think
the first time.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Ever is yeah, and that's okay. By the way I was,
I was, I was not a country music fan growing up.
I liked rock and roll almost ac DC, Van Halen,
Guns n' Roses, And then all of a sudden, my
wife likes country music for the same reason I do.
It feels like a good time in a party, in
a cocktail and uh. And I just hope the w
NBA doesn't get too concerned about who loved us forever.
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Soccer does that way too much. Soccer can be totally
dweebye and provincial and tribal. I hope the WNBA just says,
come on in, it's fun, it's a good time.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Well, the NBA is smart. They're not playing to a
base in America. They're like, hey, global audience.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Come on in.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
We got a lot of people, a lot of new guys.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Why did you see the NBA contracts they're finalizing. I'm
guessing they're large, eight billion dollars, three network.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I thought the league was dying. I thought nobody watches,
nobody cares. I thought the NBA was was going downhill.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
There's two leagues in this country that are on fire
from a financial perspective, the NFL and the NBA. Now,
college football is growing, but it's got it's rickety and something.
It's got all sorts of issues. And baseball makes money,
but it is struggling. When they signed a Roku deal,
which by any standard for a major network or major
league was kind of embarrassing. So the NBA Basketball in America,
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Women's college, men's college March madness, NBA WNBA is on fire,
by the way.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
World, I saw an executive downstairs this morning. And let's
just say there's some excitement over Yankees Dodgers I'm not
only this weekend, but for the World Series, Like, yeah,
that's gonna be big.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And the Yankees don't have their ace and they lead
Baseball Era. They've got four guys getting people out. They
don't even have Garrett Cole yet.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
He's getting close though.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He looked good this week. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know, I came in this morning and the staff
lays out stories on the desk twenty thirty. We usually
pick about six or seven to talk about of late
WNBA getting more love. I saw this story too, of
the stories that were on my desk. Cde Lamb extension,
Mica Parsons willing to wait, but expects to be the
highest paid non quarterback in due time. So does cde Lamb.
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Twenty years the Patriots dominated this league. I never heard
about money. It's all I hear about with Dallas. But
when your owner wants to have the coolest stadium and
the nicest yacht and the biggest, most brash facilities and
be called America's team, players feed off it. When I
lived out East Connecticut, I was always taken back by
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how much wealth there was. But I remember once driving
on an area called the Merritt Parkway and I told
my wife, I'm like, I've never seen a Porsche on this,
I've never seen a Maserati. And we're driving through Greenwich, Darien, Westport,
some of the richest parts of the country. Old money,
old money. The Gatsbies of the world didn't feel a
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need to constantly show it off. The Packers and the
Steelers in the NFL are old money. The Cowboys should be.
But Jerry's got to put those ostrich boots on the
table and flash it. And this is the downside to it,
the trickle down economics of the Cowboys. A linebacker wants
to be the highest paid wide receiver, give me the money.
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I feel like I've been in an eight year cycle
of DAK contract talks. Yet when the greatest tight end,
arguably ever, Travis Kelcey, recently signed a deal with Kansas City,
I didn't know what was coming. There was a brief
press conference, it ended, and we haven't talked about it since.
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That's what rich people and winners do. They don't have
to constantly roll up the sleeves and show you the
Rolex brag about their last yacht trip. Jerry Jones and
the Cowboys. I swear all I've heard this offseason and
I want mine. I didn't hear it with New England
for twenty years. I know Mahomes makes a lot of money.
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He doesn't throw it in anybody's face. I feel like
that's all we've talked about for Dak forever. You don't
have to keep showing everybody you got money. The Packers don't.
The Steelers don't, and the Packers win a lot more
in the postseason. Maybe it's maybe it's a Dallas thing,
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maybe it's a Texas thing. A lot of sequence down there,
biggest cowboy hat wins. But it's just exhausting and it's
all the wrong stuff. If you've got it, you don't
need to constantly flawn it. Jmack with the News on
the News.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Let's start with one of your favorite quarterbacks in the
NFL too, What dung abado Off still wants his long
term deal as his rookie contract winds down. I think
you said too, he is looking skinny or we're just
talking thin.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I don't know what he does look a little scary,
not quite.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I think you would reference Tho Zenpac. I don't think
he went there. However, he's talked about the negotiations and
watching other quarterbacks get paid before him.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
I'm not blind to people that you know, are in
my position that are getting paid.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Am I concerned about it? I'm not concerned about it.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
But there's a lot of discussion you know that we've
had that. You know, we just are trying to move
that thing into the right direction where we can both
be happy. Not frustrated, I'm another word, but just wanting
to get something done.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
That's it. Just wanting to get something done.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, more money talk. How about we played football. I'm
ready for the camps to open. I'm done with the
money talk.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Play football and risk injury?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Why not with life's a risk and injury. I got
in my car drive to work, could have an injury.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Jay Okay Boomer, I walk off the curve and get
hit by a bus. You know, come on, listen, man,
when are you gonna start putting on a cape and
defending these quarterbacks?
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Jordan love Tua, Trevor Lawrence will demand their money.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You and I did a draft at the end of
the show the other day and Tua did not make
our top twelve. So I'm not protecting people unless there
is production, value, health and a trajectory. Why this idea
is so absurd that next guy up gets the back.
No he doesn't. It's so absurd. That's not the way
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it works. It is next superstar up, next quarterback. I
can't live without. Like Jordan Love looks like he could
be a star. He's the next guy up.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Which is you said, next superstar up.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
I don't think he was a superstar, but could you
give be a definition of a superstar and don't say
Patrick ba.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Well, let's not get let's superstar tends to be marketing
and production. Like Dale Earnhart, the late Dale Earnhart, like
in Nascar, was like a superstar. Jeff Gordon was a superstar.
I didn't count how many Daytona five hundreds they won,
So I mean some of that is just a rod
in baseball was a superstar. He got one World Series.
So superstar means a lot of different things, and a
lot of that's iconic marketing. But I would say I
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just I always look at quarterbacks as like there's there's
six or seven guys at any one time that you
never pick up the phone as a general manager. Okay,
and then there's another six or seven. You'd pick up
the phone, but you wouldn't do the calling, and then
the rest of the league. You're on the phone looking up.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Great.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So I think jone of love very right now is
in two. I think you'll go to one very quickly.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Where's Tua?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
He is deep to that. You're on the phone looking regularly.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
So guess what nobody's on the phone. You gotta pay
him right. You don't have a backup.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You didn't draft the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You and I are different. You fear. You talk about
this a lot. There's a lot of this fear driven stuff.
What are the Cowboys gonna do?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
No, it's not fear, it's what is the game plan?
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I want to know what the plan is, plan for
the future, have a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Where do we want to go?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I just looked at the Dolphins column.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
They're draft. They didn't they didn't take a quarterback. You
gotta pay to them. You can't not pay him now.
So now you're haggling over do we give him forty?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You don't have to pay him until isn't at the
end of the year. Don't we have another year.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
He's not gonna play well without him.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He's gonna sit out, sure and get fined. So you
think he's gonna sit out.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
How good of a look is that around the league?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
We're not paying our quarterback if he gets hurt out.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know you've got a history total fallacy. Players are selfish,
Broadcasters are selfish. I couldn't care less how you treated
the last broadcaster. How you're treating daddy. That's the same
with pro pro athletes. Don't go I'm not going to Portland.
They didn't give Dame his money. How you're treating me.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
The agents steer away.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Agents don't steer. Agents don't have nearly the power they fit.
I even watched sixty minutes clutch Sports. That thing exists
because a Lebron. If you don't have Lebron, they don't
grow into a massive business. You could be an agent
Ris Paul would be successful. But I mean the player
drives the agent, and the agent would tell you that.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
So TUA says he wants a new deal, You say, no,
play play out your deal.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Then we'll see at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, Well, what's what's the recion business? What's the repercussions?
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Well, I guess you'd have to talk to two about
that and see what his options are.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You do you.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Want to play hardball and sit out? Do you want
to go play?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Do you want to let.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Everybody know that you're a limited guy with an injury
history decides not to play.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Oh, that's good for an instructure a new contract around
the injury.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Why would I have to do any of it? Just
keep playing until the contract's over. What What is this
thing that I have to pay people early? Why do
I have to people? I'll pay Lebron in his prime
early jury risk? Viol that's his problem, not mine.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
I don't want to be your Francis quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, okay, go to the market.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Go find another one.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
Do you remember what it was like with like j Fiedler,
goof ball for twenty years after Dean Rena, go back to.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That under contract. Legally, I have the upper hand this
all this thing about players getting paid early, finish your contract.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Guess what Washington did that with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
We like you, but we don't want to give you that,
So we're just gonna franchise tag you twice.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Washington a lasting.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Stock around the league, and now they have to struggle
and stink and now they're who was there, guy Taylor Heinike.
They're cycling through a bunch of bums and now they
got Jayden and Daniels and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, Washington didn't get a trophy either did Minnesota, so
who cares?
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, but that's totally different circumstances. Like they had a
good thing go. When you've got a franchise quarterback, when
you've got a good barber, when you've got someone.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You trust, you stick with that, you don't break it up.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Uh You As a general manager, I would take you
to the woodshell. I'd be like, oh, now, once you
pay two early. Then all of a sudden, Tyreek's like,
I'm going to renegotiate.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
We're not doing that. I will move off Tyreek before
I moved off to him.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You're closer to Jerry Jones than stop.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
It nineties Jerry Jones. You want to give me ninety
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
But honestly, if Tuus says, listen, I'm not asking to
break the bank. I'm not asking for fifty give me
forty eight forty eight MILLI a year.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
We'll call it a day. Let's get to the contact.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Hey, why don't you go play some football. Come back
in one year and we'll sit down and talk about it.
Why in the world would I pay a small average
to below averaged arm injury history quarterback a year early?
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Did he get you to the playoffs? Did you almost
win the division until like week seventeenth? Oh, that's right,
you were actually.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Good and relevant.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
You remember what that's like, Stephen Ross getting slapped on
the wrist for going after Brady and all this suff.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
That's what your franchise is.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
A trade wreck.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
That's what I would tell Stephen Ross. All right, Next up,
let's go to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
He's working his way through his first NFL Mini camp.
Although we excelled in the seven on seven portion, he
struggled in team drills. Collin uh oh, particularly the two
minute drill and blitz period.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
One thing Matt Eberfluss wants Caleb to improve on is
his cadence.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
Yes, of guys jump off side, and I think there
was half a dozen of the time.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
So that's something that needs to be worked out.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
That is something that that needs to be addressed and
worked on and improved on here in the next couple
of days, we like to cleaned up. We just have
to get the reps and get it right. And again,
you have to use cadence as a weapon on offense.
You can't just go ready set hut the entire time, right.
So we got to do double counts. We gotta do
triple counts. We gotta doubley counts, we gotta do silent
count We got to do all accounts that everybody else
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has in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
If think if Caleb's only flaws cadence, He's going to
be okay.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Sounds like Caleb's roll it up to the load of
scrimmage ready set hunt.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Remember the backyard of football stuff that we talked about
last season that plagued him, plagued him.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I'd be careful on that. It was a crash test
dummy there. I think for us Seed, his USC defense
plagued him. I don't think it was his cadence a
USC excuse maker, Countberry. I'm going to Chicago in a
couple of weeks. I may just stop my camp. Oh,
just show up well and talk some situations football with
Matti Eberflus. Give him a couple of pointers.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Hey, Matt lay off the cadence of the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Now he's right though, Aaron Rodgers is one of the
best at it. Very much uses cadence as a weapon.
Very smart that way. Aaron's very good at that.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Our final story is the NBA. NBA Finals tip off
tomorrow night. Everybody's excited. Kristeph Porzingis has not played since
the first round. He spoke to the media about eyeing
a return for Game one.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That is the plan so right now.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
But yeah, again, it's a couple more days and I
think that can make a difference. So every every day
gives me a bit more time to get even better,
you know, so working.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I I really like Boston in Game one. Oh yeah, okay,
I'm not gonna say I well, I am going to
say it. I'm gonna put down a little little frosting
Celtics game Celtics Game one, like him a lot six
and a half. You know, du Ala parlay move the
numbers a little bit.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
That's a winning play.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Always the media kept grilling him and saying, are you
one hundred percent, and he would not commit to that.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
You know, he can't get like a real run in.
You could practice in scrimmage, but it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Injuries are odd. You think they're gone, they never are.
The calf injuries are brutal. My calf is still tight
from a tennis injury three years ago.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Just put on a sleeve and ice up and you'll
be fine.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
No, I fight through it. That's who I am.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Just power, just power through the calf injury.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I don't know that I'm ready to take the MAVs
yet in Game one, but I'll go ahead and take
Dallas in the series.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Not a huge commitment. You're gonna take Dallas game one?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
No, no, no, I'm not yet. I'm not sure yet,
but I'll take him to win the series.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Out You and I j n C consulting was pretty
good on our NBA bets. But we told everybody the
last time Dallas played, we said, take the MAVs strong
first quarter and they box Minnesota. Remember that MAVs.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I like Boston strong, strong, Boston, especially early at home
against the MAVs, very much into that. Well.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
You know, by the way, for Zingis isn't in good shape.
It's al Horfer in the backup is like Luke Cornett
bro he does not if he's on the court when
Luca is, oh my gosh, that'll be ugly. Like Luca's
annihilating Rudy Gobert. What he's doing to the Cornet kid.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't know. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Herd Lie top of the hour. The Yankee Dodger series
might as well be the National American League All Star Game.
I mean, it's seriously, it is so good. I had
somebody yesterday say to me, you really believe that you
don't like parody? Why would I like everything smushed in
the middle. What if every restaurant was just okay? Is
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it's I like to find an occasional dive. I like
to occasionally go to a bougie restaurant. I don't want
every hotel to be the Marriott. It's okay, you can
have some nice, high end stuff, some cheap stuff. We've
all been on the road. We need a hotel. We're
taking our kids to college. Just give me the cheapest
thing available that's safe. Right, So it's like, why would
I want everything smushed in the middle, in my sports,
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in my art, I like campy movies. I like great movies.
I like high end Netflix stuff, and then I like
British acorn stuff like while I don't blame stuff, everybody's
into this stuff, mushed in the middle, and we're all
gonna be in the same page. And I don't like that.
You walk onto the plane, some people are sleeping on it,
some people are in the back, jammed up against h
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somebody with whooping coffee. It's just the way it is,
and smushed in the middle. Everybody. You don't like parody,
of course, I don't like parody.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
And everything in my life.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Sometimes I like high end stuff. Last time I'm sitting there,
you know, just eat an eight week old burrita. I
own an old Canada Milwaukee Old Milwaukee. What's wrong with that?
Sometimes I want to go out and party with my
wife upscale, and sometimes to go to a dive bar
with a friend playing darts. I hope you don't get
whooping cough if you sit next to a guy in
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row thirty six.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, he played in the NBA for thirteen seasons. He
was part of that Caves team. He went to a
couple of finals. He was part of that Calves team
that beat the Warriors in that Game seven, which I
contends the best Game seven I've ever seen, or at
least I ever remember. Channing Fry is now joining us
live and so we were just talking during the break.
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So I think Boston and Dallas can go seven. I
think it's I think it's I hope. So God, it's
pretty good. So I told you I was really rooting,
and I try not to root for teams. I can't
help but root for players. I like, I was rooting,
and I'm a warrior guy. I really wanted to see
Lebron in Cleveland win. I wanted to see him not
be a villain. I'm a I love Maverick Carter, so
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I was rooting for Cleveland. I thought Golden State's gonna
win a bunch of these things. You're there in game seven.
I was a nervous wreck watching that game. What was
it like to be part of it?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well?
Speaker 12 (31:55):
It was crazy.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
I mean honestly, I like beginning of the third quarter,
middle of the third quarter, I went to our trainer,
Steve and I was like, hey, Steve Man, I'm gonna
have a heart attack, and he looked at me and
he goes channing, if you die, die on that bench,
and it just I started to laugh. And honestly, every
single play was so big, right because they were so good, you.
Speaker 12 (32:21):
Had to lock in.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
And I know a lot of people may not remember this.
I think we're down six or seven or eight at half,
and Jr. Came in the third quarter and made five
straight points, and that's when we knew that was like
the biggest turning point for us because usually when Golden
State has a six, seven, eight point lead, it.
Speaker 12 (32:41):
Goes to sixteen.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
But the minute we got up to one or two,
that's when we said, okay, we got a chance here
and the rest is history. But it was I mean
every time out, I was like, somebody get me oxygen.
I'm not even playing and I'm over here on an
anxiety attack.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
That is so funny. It is just one of the
great games in the history the league, and you're part
of that fabric. So good for you, Channing. So you
played with Kyrie, and I was gonna say this is
that pro sports is almost unfair, where especially with basketball
and football, you red shirt. A lot of these guys
come into pro football. They're married, they're twenty three years old.
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You're becoming a grown man. A lot of these kids
that come into the NBA, they can't even drink at
the hotel bar. They're nineteen years old. But we need
you to be an adult at nineteen and it's hard.
And Kyrie has had this maturation process and he's finally now,
like he said, man, I'm a new guy. When you
were with him, first of all, his talent, he may
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be the only player that Lebron's ever played with that
has more natural gifts, like what was practice? Like what
was stuff that I didn't see? Like with Kyrie.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
I think during that time that I was there with
Kyrie and Braun, Kyrie really locked into his routine and
the details of things. So, you know, I think whether
he had I don't know if he had that before.
I know he was talented before, but I knew that
every day he did his same routine, He went about
his day as it was an elite job, right, And
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I think that's one thing everyone talks about about Bron
is every single day, regardless, you're gonna get six to
eight hours of legit work from Lebron, whether that's on
his body, his mind, on the court.
Speaker 12 (34:28):
And Kyrie literally worked on.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
The details so meticulously that he almost doesn't have a
scouting report.
Speaker 12 (34:37):
He doesn't shall makes a great analogy.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
Sometimes you have to, you know, most ninety nine per
cent of players have to dictate what moves they're gonna do,
or you know, predetermine what they're gonna do. Kyrie literally
plays chess while the rest of us are playing checkers.
There's not a move that he's uncomfortable doing.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
And like he just plays.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
You wanted to left, Okay, I'll go left until you
stop me, and then I'll go right. And that's what's
crazy about it is that he just he's almost like water.
Speaker 12 (35:07):
He just flows with whatever you're gonna give him.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
He's one of the best shooters I have ever seen
in my life, and that's one thing that doesn't even
get taken into account. If you were just to become
a spot up shooter, I think he'd be one of
the best in the league, if not the best, next
to Steph, next to stef Sorry, he's in a different stratosphere.
But to me, it's just so amazing what his skills are.
And when he approaches the game with calmness, that's when
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he gets dangerous.
Speaker 12 (35:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's interesting. I pushed back a little on Luca when
he came into the league. My first take was he's grounded.
He doesn't look in great shape and his usage rate
is insane. But I'm finding that the NBA with the
European guys like Jokich and Luca, is a bit more grounded.
It doesn't always have to be vertical. It can be
skilled passing, whatever it is. But I just didn't know
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when they made the move for Kyrie Channing. My take was, listen,
I like big swings. I'm for it, but I didn't
really think it would last. I can't believe it's this good.
I'm the first to say I was for the move.
I didn't think it would last. Are you surprised at all?
That high usage rate? Guy and Kyrie? It's like a glove.
It fits well.
Speaker 8 (36:18):
It fits especially now when you have lob threats and
you have a mature Kyrie and you have an in
shape Luca who's an adult, right, And of course it
wasn't gonna work four three, four years ago, but now
both of these guys see the opportunity that they're working
with each other and how it works and the usage rate.
If you're in shape, it works, right. People are like,
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oh yo, Kitchen, Luca don't look in shape. They are
probably the most in shape. They touched the ball every
single time down the court, and teams are going at them,
you know, at different defenses, and to me, I feel
like Kyrie and Luca must have had an agreement.
Speaker 12 (36:54):
This summer.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
I had a conversation about, hey, we're the two best
one on one guys in the league. Nobody can stop us.
If I get a double team, that means you're getting.
Speaker 12 (37:03):
A rotation guy.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Kyrie's used to having the best defender on him, lucas
having the best defender on him, and now who do
you double team? We saw when Minnesota made that double
team to Luca at half court.
Speaker 12 (37:15):
They do it to PJ.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
Washington or Derek Lively and then you're spraying out to
Kyrie Irving. So now you have to rotate to that.
That's how do you guard that? That's impossible. How many
great defenders do you have? I think Boston has three
or four really great defenders. So I think this series
is gonna be amazing. But still I don't think they
have anybody for Luca.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know, I've said before I like the maturity of
the Celtics. I like the intellect, but I said they're
a little too collaborative. Sometimes it's like, Jason take the ball,
size up a smaller guy and score. Luca and Kyrie
are very old school. They're alphas, like clear it out, bro,
I'm scoring. The Celtics are almost too collaborative. Is that fair? Unfair?
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Totally fair. I think that's Jason Kidd's style. He goes
who can't guard. Okay, come here, and I'm gonna go
at you every single.
Speaker 12 (38:08):
Time in the NBA.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
If you make things simple when you have talent, they're
gonna look amazing. So you go, here's our game plan
for last series. Rudy Gobert or Mike Conley doesn't want
to guard Luca. Put them in the screen and role.
When we get a double team or a show, now
everyone else makes a decision. We get open corner threes,
we get layups, we get you know, spray, you know Wherever's,
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we get anything we want because you're double teaming the
ball and then you have ball handlers and shooters on
the other end.
Speaker 12 (38:36):
I think sometimes the.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
Celtics are so talented that they lean on each other
a little too much at times, and they go, no
your turn, No your turn, and we want The guy
who I think is the most aggressive is Jaylen Brown. Yes,
and he showed that last series. Yes, he said, you
know what a now these guys can guard me. I'm
going I'm just gonna barbecue mall. Jason Tatum goes, well,
when you play that way, I'll play that way too.
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And so I think this series, when you look down
to it, it's the defense of the Celtics and their continuity.
Can they break down the defense of the Dallas Mavericks. Like,
I'm really excited for the series. I have not seen
a series I think this even for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I mean, this series is so good that if porzingis
is healthy and you start naming the ten best players,
you get down to nine, eight and nine, and you're like, uh, PJ. Washington,
who's been great? Like that's your ninth the best player
in the series. And I'm like, there are games. I mean,
he's put him in the corner in that three. So
it is. I can't wait for it. So Channing Fry,
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you've got a podcast road trip and give it a
little pop here.
Speaker 12 (39:42):
Yeah you said it's popular.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, you know, I said you could give it a
little publicity here.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
Oh yeah, we've been to a road tripping for I
think it's eight years now. It's Richard, myself and Allie Clifton.
Richard Jefferson, ballhead, ugly guy works for ESPN. You know what,
we we just talk about the game, right. We don't
take it too seriously, you know, it's we enjoy it,
We love it. We have Kendrick Perkins on doing lives
after the NBA Finals.
Speaker 12 (40:11):
So it's just, you know, it's a change of heart.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
Sometimes we have hot takes, sometimes we don't. But you know,
we're out here giving our opinion, and if we're wrong,
we're wrong. I've been wrong a million times, but I
was right about the Mavericks beating the Timberwolves.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So there you go. Hey, great seeing you, ma Man.
Appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 12 (40:26):
Have you on again to thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I appreciate it all right, Channing Fry, that's funny story.
He was so nervous watching the game. He told the trainer,
I'm gonna have a heart attack. That isn't all. And
what's funny about that series? The first six games were blowouts,
each team going back and forth. In Game seven is like,
that's one of those events, and there's not that many.
I can watch the whole game again. I can watch
the whole game again. That is in all time. That's
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the last time we had a Game seven. Don't have
many of them. We don't have a lot of Game sevens.
I think this this one we're gonna get at least six. Hey,
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