June 7, 2024 • 42 mins
In this Best of The Herd, Colin sizes up the Celtics and the Mavericks after Boston's dominating Game 1 win in the NBA Finals. Also, is UConn coach Dan Hurley a good fit for the Lakers when considering he's coming from the college ranks and is a vocal boss on the sideline? Plus, Colin responds to UConn head women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma's recent comment that Indiana Fever rookie sensation Caitlin Clark isn't built for the physicality of the WNBA. Finally, FOX Sports NBA analyst Jim Jackson sits down with Colin to opine on the possible hiring of Dan Hurley with the Lakers, Caitlin Clark's adjustment to the WNBA, and the NBA Finals
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we Go. It is a Friday Game one NBA
Finals in the books, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac, you
lean toward the MAVs in this series. I lean toward
the Celtics in this series. Be sweating a little sweating
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this morning because that was a that was problematic. Much
to do about nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Dallas is fine, They're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's one game, all right. I don't like to overreact,
but it was not a positive night for Dallas. So
the Celtics, as you saw, have a much greater cushion
in this series. So Jason Tatum scored like ten points
under his average and they still let at one point
by twenty nine points over a very good and very
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hot Dallas team that Dallas has sort of a path
to win, and that means Luca and Kyrie are both money.
One wasn't last night. And so if you really look
at the Celtics, you have five different players who could
be a one or a two. So Porzingis is a
one or a two scorer, Tatum is a one. Brown
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could be a one, but he's a two. Derek White
on bad teams is a two, and Drew Holliday last
year for the Bucks pre Dame, was a two. Four
Celtics on this roster have made multiple All Star teams.
The Celtics are what the NBA is trying to avoid.
They didn't like that Golden State great team at KD.
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They didn't like that the new CBA makes it almost
impossible to get three stars. And whether or not you
want to classify poor Zingis and Drew Holliday as stars,
they could drop twenty four points on any night and
you wouldn't be surprised. Poor Zingis last night. He was
the first Unicorn. He was the first big that came
into this game pre Wemby and chet Holndren before that,
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name just got thrown around. That term got thrown around.
Porzingis came into this league, his game has evolved, and
there's nothing Dallas can do. Dallas does not have the
luxury or the cushion offensively that Boston has Luca and Kyrie.
For them to win, both have to be wizzards. Kyrie
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was bad for big chunks of the game and they
got blown out, and so the Celtics have multiple paths
to win in this final. Last night, Tatum didn't score
a lot. Jason Tatum guy didn't score a lot. Didn't matter.
Poor Zingis was money. So the one team in the
West that gave Dallas trouble was ok C really had
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a beat. OKC is a younger, cheaper, less talented version
of Boston. They don't have multiple guys with All Star appearances.
And OKC they've got a Chet Homgrin, a big who
can go outside and hit threes like Porzingis. They have
multiple wing defenders they can throw at a Luca. So
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Boston is a better version of the team that gave
the MAVs the most trouble in the West OKC. So
Boston has the ability. They got four or five guys
they can spread the floor. Both Horford and poor Zingis.
Their bigs can pull you outside and hit threes. Horford's
a great three ball shooter from the corner, and the
Celtics have three or four guys or more they can
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put out on a wing and defend your guys and
keep throwing bodies at So this is a problematic series.
I mean, Boston is five to zero against the MAVs,
all lobsided wins when Joe Missoula has been the coach.
This may just be a bad matchup for Dallas. Now,
I think Dallas will probably play a very inspired first
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quarter at least against Boston in Game two, because they
played poorly. But if the other part of this game
that's a real story beyond porzingis and the offensive depth
that the Celtics provide, which the NBA would like to
avoid this kind of roster where it's got five to
six guys. I mean, Horford's made multiple All Star games
in his prime and a lungfis they don't want stack rosters.
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Boston's kind of a stacked roster. It doesn't feel like
the Warriors because they won pre KD. But this team is,
this is all Stars, this is one and two guys
loaded all of them. Derek White's probably the most underrated
guy in the league. He made First Team All NBA Defense,
and he's a very good offensive player. He's a two
for all lot of teams in this league. He's a
four to a five on this team. It's not what
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the NBA wants. The other thing is Brad Stevens the
GM of the Celtics one Executive of the Year. But
he didn't just win it just forretting Porzingis and Drew Holiday.
He also upgraded the coaching staff. Missoula had the better
game plan against the older, more experienced coach Jason Kidd.
This coaching staff is older. How about the timeout in
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the third quarter, MAVs get on a run, Celtics call
a timeout, they tweak, they adjust, and they go to
fourteen nothing run. So I think Dallas is not a
very good Game one team. Dallas has been very good
in Game two. I think they'll play a very inspired
first half against Boston. Teams that get humiliated have that
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urgency and desperation. I think they'll play very, very well.
But Boston is handful. They got Porzingis and Horford. They're
very OKC but better. Biggs can shoot, they can guard
you one on one. They can throw multiple wing defenders
at you. They got four of their five guys on
that team, multiple time All Stars, one guy All NBA
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First Team, as well as a loaded roster. The new
CBA makes this hard. You need a sharp Egzach, you
need some luck, you need some breaks. They kind of
stole poor Zingis and here he was after but at.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The end of his basketball and and I've been doing
this for a long time, but tonight was like a
firm affirmation to myself.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Know that I'm pretty good.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You know, I'm maybe I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty
good and I can play like this and I can
definitely add to just team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Los Angeles, we got Disneyland out here, We got
the mountains and the beaches. It is a nice place
to visit. And that's exactly what ucon's basketball coach Dan
Hurley is doing today. He is in Los Angeles meeting
with the so most college basketball coaches, like ninety five percent,
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feel like college basketball coaches. They've got the big ego.
I don't even have to mention the names. They need control,
their control freaks. They scream at their players from roster
to set plays. They need control. They feel like college coaches.
I got a list right here about ten guys. There's yellers,
there's screamers, there's egos. And the other thing is two
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guys have made it. Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. Both
are really really sharp guys, both non screamers, both like control,
but they're not control freaks. My concern for Dan Hurley.
He's a barker. It is his DNA. He can bark.
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He kind of demands things instead of asking for them,
and that works at the college level, especially when you're winning.
I think he could work, but I could see some pushback.
That's why I believe the Lakers have to give him
a massive deal twelve million a year, five years, sixty million,
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work with Lebron for a couple of years, but eventually
draft develop and move off him with Ad as the centerpiece.
I have my doubts if the Lakers can handle this.
I think Hurley can handle it. He's a tough cat.
I don't know if the Lakers can't. The Lakers have
the patience of a nine year old in the back
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of a car coming home from vacation, and they keep
asking mom and dad, are we there yet? Ten minutes later,
are we there yet? And I think that's what the
Lakers Genie Buss and Rob Polinka would be asking by
year three? Are we there yet? Are we great yet?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, are we there yet? Are we almost? And
it's going to take time. This is not a very
good roster. Got an old legend in Lebron and a
very very elite defensive player, not as dependable offensively, but
a top player in ad. Then a bunch of guys,
then a bunch of three and four and five guys,
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just guys, rotational guys. Jared Vanderbilt, Austin Reeves. Can you
know a little bit of a playmaker? Not a one,
two or three in a championship team. He'd come off
the bench for the Celtics. That can't be your three.
I mean, come on, Derek White's a better player, and
he's like they're five. Por Zingis is a better player.
If you watched the first quarter of that game last night,
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seven to three handles can shoot like a guard. Come on,
so I don't I don't question it, I will say
Hurley is intense. The NBA. It's eighty two games minimum.
You make the playoffs, it becomes ninety ninety five games
very quickly. Paul Pierce on this show yesterday, talked about
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his first NBA coach, Rick Batim, you know, who had
just come from Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
When you come out of college and playing for a
college based coach, I thought the pros was no different
from college until I heard from like other players, veterans
that were on the team. You know, you had Kenny Anderson,
Dana Barrows, you know, guys who played for other NBA coaches.
They'd be like, you know, this is not the NBA.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
This is this is crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
It was times where we lost the game. We would
land one in the morning and we'd be at to
be in the gym in the hour.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We practicing on back to backs. But I don't know
no different.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I don't know no different until like really until like
Doc come around, you know, and then I was like, oh,
this is this is NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So again, I think Hurley could work. I think it
could be a little bumpy with his volume. But it
really comes down to the Lakers. Will they finally not
be the nine year old in the back of the
car coming home from vacation, be a little patient. I
don't know if they will be. LA is a very
distracted market. The Dodgers future, the Rams, the Chargers. USC's
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looks really good, really successful. I don't know if the
Lakers Steve Balmer new arena. I don't know if they
can handle being the fourth or fifth biggest story in
LA for a couple of years. J Mack, I want
you to be positive. I don't want you to freak out,
but it there are some matchup concerns for Dallas. I
don't think they're gonna keep Boston's offense under wraps.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do think they can play better defensively, but I
do think there are times when you get into a
series against the team that you have to admit certain
things like, hey, we're not gonna stop Luca, or Boston's
gonna get theirs. They're gonna score one hundred and sixteen
in these games. They're just gonna get their points.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was troubling when they hit seven threes in the
first quarter. I think they hit like eight or nine
the rest of the game. But yeah, I think we
hit on some of these matchups, right Lively. We like
them a lot. I don't know that he's a great
fit in the series. I agree they put him in
pick and roll all afternoon. It's like Jason Tatum against
Lively on the perimeter.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I gotta say Jalen Brown was phenomenal. Jalen Brown
was so damn pick for the VIP of the series.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I think twenty two points on twelve shots. And in
that third quarter when Dallas cut it to eight, everybody's
shooting three's on Boston, Brown's like screw this, I'm driving.
He kept attacking getting to the foul line. That's a
smart player. I picked Luca at half court for the
dunk leg. Yeah, Brown, that's a good bet by you.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, No, Jalen, I know exactly what I get from
about ten players in the NBA every game. Nine of
them are viewed as elite offensive players. Brown works harder
for his points. He's not quite as fluid, but I
know what I'm getting. He reminds me a lot of
d Wade. Not a brilliant outside shooter, but hits big
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shots and often decides to physically lean on you, finish,
physically punish you. He's very d way to me. Always
great effort, smart basketball player, get in your kitchen, make
you uncomfortable, and ends up with twenty five points all
the time. He's a really good basketball player. D Wade
was never as naturally offensively pleasing, more of a mid
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range game, didn't have a beautiful shot, but it ends
up with twenty five and guards your best player, And
that's Jalen Brown. High IQ, high effort, great body type.
Like he's one of those NBA guys that if he
had a chosen football eight years ago, you're like you'd
find it. I mean, he's just physically stronger than the
most pro basketball player.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It kind of looks like if you squint, do you
see a little prime Warriors with this team five out
shooting a million three question could defend multiple differences.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, I mean Porzingis is your KD. Obviously Kd's better,
but like just a matchup problem, Yeah, just a matchup problem.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And there Draymond Is, Drew Holliday maybe, who's like a
smart passer, can defend literally anyone. He'll defend Luke in
the post. They're built really well and fully formed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's like a really good team man.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
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Speaker 1 (14:07):
So we have seen through the years environments in sports
can affect athletes. We know there's top golfers who play
well on certain courses, top tennis players play well on
certain surfaces. At the college level, college teams are almost
always much better at home. They're young, they can unravel,
be intimidated on the road. But in pro football, pro basketball, hockey, baseball,
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you know, you usually know what you're getting. But I
from stars pro athletes. But I did feel last night
it was like Kyrie in front of that crowd, felt
like he was almost affected by it. He and Luca
your turn, my turn. Not many assists by Kyrie. I
just felt he and Luca were just disjointed out of sorts. Now,
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some of it is obviously Boston. Boston is so deep defensively,
so many good wing defenders in such good size with porzingis,
they can just guard you man on man, one on
one and not switch. I mean, Jason Tatum can guard
a big, he can guard a wing. So Boston's really
good defensively, And I don't think I don't think Minnesota
was good defensively. I think this team has just certain gifts.
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You know, their best player, Jason Tatum, is a veteran,
aunt's a kid, and so the Celtics, it's hard to
manipulate them. They can just guard you one on one.
They don't have to necessarily switch. Their bigs, can stay
at home. Tatum, I got it from here, Holiday, Derek White.
Now we're good on the wing. We don't need help.
They're a very hard team to manipulate. The other thing
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about Kyrie, We've got to be honest. Luke is amazing.
Kyrie has been hot and cold in the playoffs. He
has two nine point games, he's got to twelve point games,
He's got multiple games. He's been dreadful from three point range,
one for seven and zero for five, a one for
six and zero for three in the playoffs. So Kyrie
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has been all over the map beyond the arc in
these playoffs. Now he gets away with it because Dallas
is well coached, better defensively and Luca. He wins those
close games. But Kyrie talked about his night in Boston after.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
It's basketball at the end of the day. You know,
being in this environment. You know, I'm used to it
at this point. You know, early in my career there
was a different relationship that I had with Boston, just
being able to come here be settled with a veteran group.
Now I'm here as the veteran Over the past few years,
just experiencing the playoffs here, even a regular season, it's
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been the same thing. I thought it was gonna be
a little louder in here, but I'm expecting the same
things going into Game two. Crowd trying to get me
out of my element. The environment is gonna be what
it is, but my focus is on our game plan
and making sure my guys feel confident and I feel confident.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I probably wouldn't have said I thought it was going
to be louder, although I do think Dallas will play
very well, especially early in game too.
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Speaker 1 (17:42):
This is Caitlin Clark stuff, to me is just fascinating.
It's got a racial component, it's got a gender component.
Gino Oriema, who's a great coach, He's the best women's
basketball coach of all time, said Caitlin Clark was set
up for failure. Calls out the delusional fans. He went
on to say, listen, these people are so disrespectful and
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so unknowledgeable on the Dan Patrick Show to give women's
basketball a bad name. This kid was set up for
failure right from the beginning. She's not built for the
physicality of the league. Yet she's not quick enough to
get away from the physicality. So let me start by
saying fans are all delusional. Fans over value their own players.
They blame refs for every loss. I mean, you ask
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an Ohio State Buckeye fan, they've never lost a game.
It's the refs. It's you know, it's it's a conspiracy theory.
It's just that's fans, even my smartest friends, blaming the refs.
The number one pick. Let's start with there. The number
one pick in all pro leagues does not turn things
around year one. You know how many games the Spurs
won this year with Wemby the same number they won
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last year without Wemby. Andrew luck In twenty twelve is
the only guy that has walked into this league and
carried a crappy roster. Joe Burrow year won two and
seven and one and got hurt. Trevor Lawrence three and fourteen, awful,
Kyler Murray five ten and one led the NFL in
sack again. Wemby Spurs this year we're twenty two and sixty.
I think that's what they were the year before. They
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were just more fun to watch with Wemby. So everybody
take a deep breath. There's a racial component here, Yes,
there is. There's a gender component. And let me talk
about that. This is hard for a lot of people.
All speak slowly. We do treat women differently. We're more
protective do you know women were not allowed to run
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marathons in the Olympics until nineteen eighty four. There was
no science to back that. They weren't allowed to run
the Boston Marathon until the late sixties. There was no
science for that. We felt protective. Women were not allowed
to box in the Olympics until twenty twelve. Guys have
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been boxing in the Olympics since nineteen oh four. It
actually speaks well of us. A lot of men in
the media feels different when people are picking on Caitlin Clark.
Dads are tougher on boys, right, toughing them up, get
them ready. The reality is some of this there's a
racial component, there's a gender component. And but I will
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say this, Caitlin Clark's got a little Steph Curry and
a little Larry Bird. She's a trash talker, she's tough,
she's got a little swag, little swagger to her. Not
that she's brought this on, but she's built for this.
The media so far is not It's okay, but I
understand it. This was somewhat predictable. A rookie going into
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a pro league is going to be overwhelmed. Wemby Kyler Murray,
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and these are like Trevor Lawrence
is like an all time talent. Kaylen Williams this year,
I think if he wins eight, they should have a
parade in Chicago. If they go eight and nine, he's
going to have a four interception game. That's the way
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it works. But it could be the Olympics, it could
be marathon running, it could be boxing. There is gender
component here where it doesn't feel quite right. I keep
hearing they're picking on her, and maybe they are. They're
targeting her. Yeah, probably there's a money component, a financial component.
She's got, you know, twenty eight million dollar shoe deal
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in multiple endorsements, so there's some jealousy. Prove it. But again,
I'll say it. I think she's built for it. She
got a little Larry Bird trash talk. She kind of
gets in your face. She's not intimidated by it. She's
never complained about it. I don't think you can I
don't necessarily think you can blame fans. Caitlin Clark was
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discussed yesterday by Gino Though on The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
If you're a college player, and you're a great college player, like.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Caitlyn was.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
The delusional fan base that follows her disrespect that the
WNBA players by saying she's going to go in that
league and tear it apart. These people are so disrespectful
and so unknowledgeable and so stupid. So the kid was
set up for failure right from the beginning. But nobody's printing.
You know, Diana Trassi was right. This kid's on the
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wrong team. She's got the wrong skill set. They handled
the physicality of that league, and she's a rookie. There's
a huge target on this kid's back. She's just not
built for the physicality of this league.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
For the record, I don't think fans disrespected the WNBA.
They didn't watch it. And if you don't watch the WNBA,
and James Jones pointed this out, he was been watching
it for years. Professional men's basketball men jump over other
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big men and dunk it. You'll see an occasional WNBA
breakaway dunk, but it's not as vertical a league. It's
more grounded and it's more pushing and shoving to score.
It's more the manipulation of bodies. In the NBA, you
can't stand in front of anybody everybody's too quick. The
beggs are shooting threes, the little guys are flying past
you and then jumping over you and dunking. That's not
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part of the WNBA's game, this vertical nature around the basket,
jumping over people. So it's a push shove game. But
I don't think the fans are necessarily any more delusional
than other fans. They just don't watch the WNBA until now,
and now they feel like she's being bullied, and I
think it's something that we're just more comfortable with young
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male athletes getting pushed around, sacked, rub your face in
the dirt a little bit. I think people probably are
a little bit more comfortable guys dealing with that. So
I think there's a lot of components here at play
money race gender. But I'll say it again, Caitlin Clark
appears to be built for it. She's not complaining about it.
I mean, she's averaging sixteen points a game, I think,
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five rebounds, six and a half assists. She's not shooting
terribly well thirty eight percent, but it's realistic to think
year she'll be at eighteen and a half a game,
six rebounds, seven and a half assis, shooting forty three percent.
That is a kind of a natural ascension or an
ascension of her skills. And I think she's been kind
of what we thought. She can get her own shot.
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She's a hell of a shooter. She is a playmaker.
She sees the floor. And it's a bumpy year one
Welcome to college star entering the pros. Andrew Luck is
the outlier. And even in Andrew Luck's rookie year and
second year, what did they always complain about? He throws
too many interceptions because nobody was open. But I mean
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he made a lot of mistakes, he took sacks, he
threw a lot of picks, and he was considered in
twenty twelve one of the all time, like John l
Way great right out of the shoot and he was
a turnover machine. Take a deep breath, Caitlin's going to
be okay. We're all going to be okay.
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Speaker 1 (25:01):
Jim Jackson, We're gonna have to take that conversation on
the air.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Actually it's the best conversation. It's all about cigars. If
anybody knows me. They know, Okay, where's Jimmy. He's at
a cigar bar. He's somewhere smoking again.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And great people in cigar bars.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
It is some of the best people ever met in
my life. Didn't think I had a commonality with somebody
because you sit down and maybe their businessmen or they
work somewhere else, whatever. But then you start smoking a cigar,
It's like, okay, what kind of cigar are you smoking?
You start talking about that, Then you start talking about
family business. What do you do next? You know, you
find a lot in common. So it's and it's grown
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folks up. Really you know what I mean? It really
is you got to sit and talk and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, you don't have to talk to me into it.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
It took you some time, though, you evolved into the
cigar smoker that you.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Thank you. I have your admiration. So, speaking of Lakers
would smoke a cigar if they could land Dan Hurley,
do you think he takes it? Should he take it?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
With the changing landscape of college basketball, it's so difficult.
I think Jay Wright was a precursor to a lot
of things. I think he saw a lot coming early
in regards to what with regards to the transfer a
portal where nil was going to pay for play, and
not that they don't want to coach, but now you're
basically coaching pro.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You're a capologist.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
You are because now in college you got to figure
out the best recruiting for college coaches now is retention
of your own players of how to keep them. And
that means that now you're going to have to raise
money to overpay to keep a player that's probably distrunted
and not as patient.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
And now you're going to still.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Deal with the bureaucracies of the NCAA, also with board members,
also with alumni, also with you know, raising money, you
might as well go to the league. You might as
well go to the NBA or professional sports because a
lot of the back noise you don't have to deal
with as you do in college. When you're a college coach,
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you know what it, especially at a major university, you're
like a CEO.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
You're running everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So some of these guys are just if I'm going
to pay people, I'd rather be a pro coach.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, mine as well.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
I mean because the lifestyle is a lot better, is
a lot different.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, you've done Yukon games.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Would I love Dan?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I love from a x's and os from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
He's a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
I actually I played against Danny when he was at Seton
Hall my junior year. He was a sophomore. Bobby, his brother,
is the same age as me. We came out of
high school together in eighty nine. But I love his
mind as a coach.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Now.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
The flip side is that is that he's a fiery individual,
like his mom, like his father, like his brother, like
the they bark. The transition to be able to do
that in the NBA, especially with a veteran team, that's
the challenge because you just can't turn that switch off.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He's fiery, and it works for a reason.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
It's a reason why his players respond to that. So
I don't worry about the ex's and I don't worry
about basketball and putting basketball people around Dan. It's that
other side of it that could be a little tenuous,
especially at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So Jim, let me throw this at you. I said
this yesterday. Is the Lakers were in this market and
for twenty years there was no NFL team here. They
owned it. And the Dodgers were good, but they weren't
winning World Series titles, and the Lakers were winning. They
owned the newspapers, they owned talk radio in LA. It
would be like the Yankees without the giants of the Jets.
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And they got arrogant and they're not patient. And my
thing is, now, this is a draft and developed league,
the new CBA. You can't have three stars. It doesn't
work that way. Austin's like an outlier. My take is,
are the Lakers built for Hurley, which is Wagner, Rhode Island,
Yukon take about three years to get us going? Are
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they built for that?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well, the history will tell you no. No.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
And good friend of mine, Antonio Daniels, who I love him,
is the color analyst for the Pelicans. Yeah, he uses
this when he talks about the Lakers, and I think
it's spout on organizational arrogance. From this perspective, is that
because the things that you said about the Lakers for
so long, and I was a part of organization briefly,
that we are the Lakers, you should be honored and
(29:30):
provige to come here. Rob Polink is a great friend
of mine.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Rob was with the.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Five Five when I was into great, great, unbelievable. But
they do have a sense that we're doing you a
favor by bringing you here. You remember when when ty
Lou was offered the job where they were interviewing ca
Lo Well, listen, at the time, a five year deal
was standing there for a guy who won a championship. Okay,
they offered him three years and wanted to pick his
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coaching staff. He's like, oh, ho, wait, I've won this,
But in the backdrop was Frank Vogel.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
You know, I'll take it. I'll take the three years,
Darvin Ham.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
You bring a first year coach, second year coach in
with championship aspirations, understanding that there's a learning curve that
has to be there, so your patience is not there
now internally if some other things happen, I don't know
what is there to change now. If you bring in
whether that's JJ Reddick or a Dan Hurley, their championship
window is now, So what happens if it doesn't happen
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after next year? Lebron is on the back end of
an extension. You got to figure out what you want
to do at ad Is it okay championship or bus
year two and if it doesn't happen, we blow it up,
but we keep the coach and let him grow, or
do we search again? Because stability is one thing that
you need Colin, you know that to win.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
But if the people think the NBA is a mobile league,
take Lebron out. It doesn't work.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
No, especially when listen, what are the things people talk about.
When I was in Dallas, they said, well, why didn't
the matterage work? It's Tony Braxon stuff this word this.
I said, let me tell you something. I was there
five years, five and a half years. I had four
coaches and three owners in that time period.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
So you tell me, do you think we.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Establish any kind of continuity, any kind of mantra of
who we are as a team and as an organization?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We had none of that.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
So how do you expect from a Lakers perspective if
you're changing who sits in that pilot seat every couple
of years. I mean, philosophy, change, defensive schemes, changed everything.
And now you're a coach too, when you really don't
have control of your roster either on who's.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They players can smell it, oh big time. They know
when you're in dru They know when you're in trouble.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
So it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
Man, that's as great as an organization, and that's the
that's when you're the Yankees, when you're the Celtics, when
you're the you know, Red Size, you deal with these
issues because of expectations every year.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, good stuff, I'll get to the finals. I want
to go. Caitlin Clark I have said, listen, she's okay
with it. We don't know how to handle it. She's
not fragile in the media, we're kind of fragile. It's
just really hard to go every sport. Bryce Harper spent
time in the minors. Yeah, Alex Rodriguez spent two years
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in the miners in Tacoma. Like, basically, Caitlyn gets drafted,
they give her a jersey. An hour later, they blow
a whistle, go play. She's not. She's getting pushed around.
So like my thing is everybody she's gonna be fine.
There's a racial component, there's a gender component. We don't
like to see girls pushed and picked on them. Just
to you know, I was saying this early. We didn't
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let women box in the Olympics till twenty twelve. Yeah,
you know, we were protective. So some of this is
just like, wait, we're not We're okay with guys getting
picked on. We are Joe Burrow getting hit late? Were
that some of that. We don't like this, which I
think right speaks well. But I think she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
She is.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
I mean, the right to passage right, the right to passage.
You think Norm Nixon was happy when Magic Johnson came in, Seriously,
I mean it's when Michael Jordan came in. He had
his detractors. It goes down the list with men with
regards to the right to passage, football, baseball.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Basketball, hockey.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
You know, it's a prove now it happens in basketball too.
Kandas Parker had her share when she came into the
w NBA because she was a star, and she was
a star. Now that not only is she was NBA
Rookie of the Year and also won MVP. Yeah, I mean,
she's one of the greatest. She's one of the greatest
players ever. The dynamic see everything is timing with Caate
(33:50):
mc clark. Because college basketball, I'm able to follow and
see the dynamic.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, you're one of the few people that there's college
m pro. You did a bunch of you come down.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
Listen the dynamic. People think, well, you weren't talking about
Kat and Carr. Yes, you were, You just didn't pay
attention to it. You didn't pay attention to what was
happening in the landscape. But she was doing this before
the National Championship game. For people in college that really
followed it, the challenge is now that you go to
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the WNBA, who has been growing, and those who followed
the game understand that the league has been great for
a long time.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
But it did just happen.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, the quality of play, the quality plays. She's the star, which,
by the way, Connor McGregor was to the UFC. But
the UFC over ten years was getting better fights, better cards,
better fighters, and then Connor just made it explode.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
But the timing was right. Connor was the right person
at the right time for the right product. And what
people don't understand is that as good as Angel Reese is,
her story is a lot different than Caitlyn' Caitlan's story
sells to Middle America.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
To the East coast, or the West coast, to the.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
South, classic Midwest under yeah, that's a story.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
So many times you don't have to be the best player,
but your story is a lot better and more intriguing.
So now you're drawing more eyes. That's not making it right,
wrong or indifferent. That's not saying she's better than Angel
Reese or whoever. That's that's that's irrelevant. What's relevant as
the story and the timing and the challenge for the
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w n B A is accepting what comes with that
with with her, start with con McGregor, with Connor McGregor,
there's going to be lights and dislikes. But now you've
got more eyes on the TV and you're gonna get
You're gonna that adds more criticism too.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Sure.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
The thing I think that the w NBA and and
to to their credit they're like, listen to a lot
of people now is just coming on board and want
to say stuffing you hadn't been following.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
But that's what happens. It happens with every sport.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
Casual listen, you think from a minority perspective, with the
eyes on PGA when Tiger came, then all of a sudden,
the casual fan came in and became golf experts when
Tiger came. Because the story was so phenomenal. You have
people that really didn't watch Saturday Sunday or even Friday golf.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But it's the same. It's the same thing.
Speaker 10 (36:18):
Here in regards to the new Eyes, and now you've
got more opinions.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Sometimes the story isn't the best player. Baker Mayfield for
a year was the story in the NFL number one pick.
Rash Cocky won the best player, but he was a story.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
He was a story.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He was on nine commercials as a rookie.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
Well, people can follow that, they can buy into it
and listen. Steph Curry wasn't the best player, but his
story for Davidson and growing in this wild Okay, is
he a better player than Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
No, But his story of how he got to where.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
He's at and what changed is a is a is
very yes.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Steph is the only basketball player. My son wasn't a
big athlete that like he liked. He was small, he
was thin. My son's I could be that the best stories.
Na Away was the best player. It just certain athletes
and politicians make us feels.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Is connectivity right? Connectivity?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Let's talk finally the finals. Sometimes I picked Denver Celtics Finals,
but Minnesota's GM formerly Denver. Minnesota to beat Denver. I
think Denver would a clabber Dallas. I don't think they
matched up. So now I watch a Dallas team that's hot,
(37:39):
but flawed, very offensively, lobsided, very much about two guys
I watched last night and I thought hell Tatum didn't
play great and they still rolled them. Is it possible
that Dallas got a huge break that Minnesota knocked out
the team that would have beaten the Denver They matched
up very well with Minnesota in Dallas, maybe a little
(37:59):
over whelmed in this series. They just don't have all
the pieces to defend all of Boston shooters.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
But isn't that what happens in sports, because that's the
beauty about the playoffs and the regular season. And think
about this too, how seting matters. At the end of
the season, Denver wins a few more games, maybe they're
a higher seed than Minnesota, and things.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Work out different seven.
Speaker 10 (38:27):
You know, I mean, things work out. Maybe it's not
okay see at the top, but that's how it works out.
The only thing you can do as a team is
prepare yourself to win and play whoever's in front of you. Okay,
whatever happens in the other series you can't control now.
But we all get down to it. When you get
to hear it's all about matchups. Denver is a better
matchup for probably in the long run, for Boston, but
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Minnesota was a better matchup to beat Denver.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Okay, So that's how this thing circulates.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
Now when you look at Boston playing the MAVs, the
advantage Dallas had against one of the best defensive teams
in the league was that it was a rim protecting team.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
This is a defending again.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Antonio'daniel says, this defensive versatility. What would you rather have
a rim protector or five guys that can guard over
the corner.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's the Celtics a little bit of that too, but
they weren't mature enough.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They choose to stay fundamental. That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So okase, he's a younger, less mature, less refined Boston exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Think about Minnesota's like this. It's like little things.
Speaker 10 (39:38):
So everybody saying, what Rudy Gobert the drop coverage, the
lob passes, Well, guess what. Boston played some drop coverage,
but they were disciplined enough not to inch in on
the baseline and give up that corner three where you
know Anthony Edwards and Alexander something with inch in and
bite for Luca and bite for I red for that
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floater and then they spread out to the corner. If
you notice, it wasn't a lot of open corner threes
for the MAVs. Boston's game plan. Okay, we're gonna drop coverage.
We're gonna force Kyrie and Luca to make tough twos.
We don't care if you make two point shots. You
make two point shots. We want to eliminate those corner threes.
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And then on offense, what we have the advantage is, Okay,
where's Luca. He's over there. Put him in this pick
and roll. We're going at him. Oh you want to
switch bringing back, We're gonna attack, force you to help rotate,
attack again, force you to rotate.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Then we're gonna get shots. And that's what you saw
last night from Boston.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Beautiful thing. You're gonna have a cigar tonight, let me.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
See, let me see and work out in about an hour,
I would say about three thirty afternoon.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Cigars are the best.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
With a little come on, we gotta have a little
double espresso.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Oh, it's like being in Florence, Italy.
Speaker 10 (40:57):
Speaking of which I think, uh man vision at him.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I'm gonna bring that to fruition.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Have you ever been to Florence?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Pizza baby walking? What odd with a cigar? Man? Talk
to me, j.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Max, you should come and it's a real life.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
It's real.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
He's a real one.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Here.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
Stop stop whooping, j just put the ball up, brou
come on over to the grown folks.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
He's a real one. It's a real life of that
nonsense you're shooting checking.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Out stop it.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
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go to your We don't need her line, so let's
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we Go. It is a Friday Game one NBA
Finals in the books, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac, you
lean toward the MAVs in this series. I lean toward
the Celtics in this series. Be sweating a little sweating
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this morning because that was a that was problematic. Much
to do about nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Dallas is fine, They're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's one game, all right. I don't like to overreact,
but it was not a positive night for Dallas. So
the Celtics, as you saw, have a much greater cushion
in this series. So Jason Tatum scored like ten points
under his average and they still let at one point
by twenty nine points over a very good and very
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hot Dallas team that Dallas has sort of a path
to win, and that means Luca and Kyrie are both money.
One wasn't last night. And so if you really look
at the Celtics, you have five different players who could
be a one or a two. So Porzingis is a
one or a two scorer, Tatum is a one. Brown
(01:38):
could be a one, but he's a two. Derek White
on bad teams is a two, and Drew Holliday last
year for the Bucks pre Dame, was a two. Four
Celtics on this roster have made multiple All Star teams.
The Celtics are what the NBA is trying to avoid.
They didn't like that Golden State great team at KD.
(02:00):
They didn't like that the new CBA makes it almost
impossible to get three stars. And whether or not you
want to classify poor Zingis and Drew Holliday as stars,
they could drop twenty four points on any night and
you wouldn't be surprised. Poor Zingis last night. He was
the first Unicorn. He was the first big that came
into this game pre Wemby and chet Holndren before that,
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name just got thrown around. That term got thrown around.
Porzingis came into this league, his game has evolved, and
there's nothing Dallas can do. Dallas does not have the
luxury or the cushion offensively that Boston has Luca and Kyrie.
For them to win, both have to be wizzards. Kyrie
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was bad for big chunks of the game and they
got blown out, and so the Celtics have multiple paths
to win in this final. Last night, Tatum didn't score
a lot. Jason Tatum guy didn't score a lot. Didn't matter.
Poor Zingis was money. So the one team in the
West that gave Dallas trouble was ok C really had
(03:10):
a beat. OKC is a younger, cheaper, less talented version
of Boston. They don't have multiple guys with All Star appearances.
And OKC they've got a Chet Homgrin, a big who
can go outside and hit threes like Porzingis. They have
multiple wing defenders they can throw at a Luca. So
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Boston is a better version of the team that gave
the MAVs the most trouble in the West OKC. So
Boston has the ability. They got four or five guys
they can spread the floor. Both Horford and poor Zingis.
Their bigs can pull you outside and hit threes. Horford's
a great three ball shooter from the corner, and the
Celtics have three or four guys or more they can
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put out on a wing and defend your guys and
keep throwing bodies at So this is a problematic series.
I mean, Boston is five to zero against the MAVs,
all lobsided wins when Joe Missoula has been the coach.
This may just be a bad matchup for Dallas. Now,
I think Dallas will probably play a very inspired first
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quarter at least against Boston in Game two, because they
played poorly. But if the other part of this game
that's a real story beyond porzingis and the offensive depth
that the Celtics provide, which the NBA would like to
avoid this kind of roster where it's got five to
six guys. I mean, Horford's made multiple All Star games
in his prime and a lungfis they don't want stack rosters.
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Boston's kind of a stacked roster. It doesn't feel like
the Warriors because they won pre KD. But this team is,
this is all Stars, this is one and two guys
loaded all of them. Derek White's probably the most underrated
guy in the league. He made First Team All NBA Defense,
and he's a very good offensive player. He's a two
for all lot of teams in this league. He's a
four to a five on this team. It's not what
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the NBA wants. The other thing is Brad Stevens the
GM of the Celtics one Executive of the Year. But
he didn't just win it just forretting Porzingis and Drew Holiday.
He also upgraded the coaching staff. Missoula had the better
game plan against the older, more experienced coach Jason Kidd.
This coaching staff is older. How about the timeout in
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the third quarter, MAVs get on a run, Celtics call
a timeout, they tweak, they adjust, and they go to
fourteen nothing run. So I think Dallas is not a
very good Game one team. Dallas has been very good
in Game two. I think they'll play a very inspired
first half against Boston. Teams that get humiliated have that
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urgency and desperation. I think they'll play very, very well.
But Boston is handful. They got Porzingis and Horford. They're
very OKC but better. Biggs can shoot, they can guard
you one on one. They can throw multiple wing defenders
at you. They got four of their five guys on
that team, multiple time All Stars, one guy All NBA
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First Team, as well as a loaded roster. The new
CBA makes this hard. You need a sharp Egzach, you
need some luck, you need some breaks. They kind of
stole poor Zingis and here he was after but at.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The end of his basketball and and I've been doing
this for a long time, but tonight was like a
firm affirmation to myself.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Know that I'm pretty good.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You know, I'm maybe I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty
good and I can play like this and I can
definitely add to just team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Los Angeles, we got Disneyland out here, We got
the mountains and the beaches. It is a nice place
to visit. And that's exactly what ucon's basketball coach Dan
Hurley is doing today. He is in Los Angeles meeting
with the so most college basketball coaches, like ninety five percent,
(07:05):
feel like college basketball coaches. They've got the big ego.
I don't even have to mention the names. They need control,
their control freaks. They scream at their players from roster
to set plays. They need control. They feel like college coaches.
I got a list right here about ten guys. There's yellers,
there's screamers, there's egos. And the other thing is two
(07:28):
guys have made it. Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. Both
are really really sharp guys, both non screamers, both like control,
but they're not control freaks. My concern for Dan Hurley.
He's a barker. It is his DNA. He can bark.
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He kind of demands things instead of asking for them,
and that works at the college level, especially when you're winning.
I think he could work, but I could see some pushback.
That's why I believe the Lakers have to give him
a massive deal twelve million a year, five years, sixty million,
(08:12):
work with Lebron for a couple of years, but eventually
draft develop and move off him with Ad as the centerpiece.
I have my doubts if the Lakers can handle this.
I think Hurley can handle it. He's a tough cat.
I don't know if the Lakers can't. The Lakers have
the patience of a nine year old in the back
(08:33):
of a car coming home from vacation, and they keep
asking mom and dad, are we there yet? Ten minutes later,
are we there yet? And I think that's what the
Lakers Genie Buss and Rob Polinka would be asking by
year three? Are we there yet? Are we great yet?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, are we there yet? Are we almost? And
it's going to take time. This is not a very
good roster. Got an old legend in Lebron and a
very very elite defensive player, not as dependable offensively, but
a top player in ad. Then a bunch of guys,
then a bunch of three and four and five guys,
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just guys, rotational guys. Jared Vanderbilt, Austin Reeves. Can you
know a little bit of a playmaker? Not a one,
two or three in a championship team. He'd come off
the bench for the Celtics. That can't be your three.
I mean, come on, Derek White's a better player, and
he's like they're five. Por Zingis is a better player.
If you watched the first quarter of that game last night,
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seven to three handles can shoot like a guard. Come on,
so I don't I don't question it, I will say
Hurley is intense. The NBA. It's eighty two games minimum.
You make the playoffs, it becomes ninety ninety five games
very quickly. Paul Pierce on this show yesterday, talked about
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his first NBA coach, Rick Batim, you know, who had
just come from Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
When you come out of college and playing for a
college based coach, I thought the pros was no different
from college until I heard from like other players, veterans
that were on the team. You know, you had Kenny Anderson,
Dana Barrows, you know, guys who played for other NBA coaches.
They'd be like, you know, this is not the NBA.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
This is this is crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
It was times where we lost the game. We would
land one in the morning and we'd be at to
be in the gym in the hour.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We practicing on back to backs. But I don't know
no different.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I don't know no different until like really until like
Doc come around, you know, and then I was like, oh,
this is this is NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So again, I think Hurley could work. I think it
could be a little bumpy with his volume. But it
really comes down to the Lakers. Will they finally not
be the nine year old in the back of the
car coming home from vacation, be a little patient. I
don't know if they will be. LA is a very
distracted market. The Dodgers future, the Rams, the Chargers. USC's
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looks really good, really successful. I don't know if the
Lakers Steve Balmer new arena. I don't know if they
can handle being the fourth or fifth biggest story in
LA for a couple of years. J Mack, I want
you to be positive. I don't want you to freak out,
but it there are some matchup concerns for Dallas. I
don't think they're gonna keep Boston's offense under wraps.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do think they can play better defensively, but I
do think there are times when you get into a
series against the team that you have to admit certain
things like, hey, we're not gonna stop Luca, or Boston's
gonna get theirs. They're gonna score one hundred and sixteen
in these games. They're just gonna get their points.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was troubling when they hit seven threes in the
first quarter. I think they hit like eight or nine
the rest of the game. But yeah, I think we
hit on some of these matchups, right Lively. We like
them a lot. I don't know that he's a great
fit in the series. I agree they put him in
pick and roll all afternoon. It's like Jason Tatum against
Lively on the perimeter.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I gotta say Jalen Brown was phenomenal. Jalen Brown
was so damn pick for the VIP of the series.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I think twenty two points on twelve shots. And in
that third quarter when Dallas cut it to eight, everybody's
shooting three's on Boston, Brown's like screw this, I'm driving.
He kept attacking getting to the foul line. That's a
smart player. I picked Luca at half court for the
dunk leg. Yeah, Brown, that's a good bet by you.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, No, Jalen, I know exactly what I get from
about ten players in the NBA every game. Nine of
them are viewed as elite offensive players. Brown works harder
for his points. He's not quite as fluid, but I
know what I'm getting. He reminds me a lot of
d Wade. Not a brilliant outside shooter, but hits big
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shots and often decides to physically lean on you, finish,
physically punish you. He's very d way to me. Always
great effort, smart basketball player, get in your kitchen, make
you uncomfortable, and ends up with twenty five points all
the time. He's a really good basketball player. D Wade
was never as naturally offensively pleasing, more of a mid
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range game, didn't have a beautiful shot, but it ends
up with twenty five and guards your best player, And
that's Jalen Brown. High IQ, high effort, great body type.
Like he's one of those NBA guys that if he
had a chosen football eight years ago, you're like you'd
find it. I mean, he's just physically stronger than the
most pro basketball player.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It kind of looks like if you squint, do you
see a little prime Warriors with this team five out
shooting a million three question could defend multiple differences.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, I mean Porzingis is your KD. Obviously Kd's better,
but like just a matchup problem, Yeah, just a matchup problem.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And there Draymond Is, Drew Holliday maybe, who's like a
smart passer, can defend literally anyone. He'll defend Luke in
the post. They're built really well and fully formed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's like a really good team man.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
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Speaker 1 (14:07):
So we have seen through the years environments in sports
can affect athletes. We know there's top golfers who play
well on certain courses, top tennis players play well on
certain surfaces. At the college level, college teams are almost
always much better at home. They're young, they can unravel,
be intimidated on the road. But in pro football, pro basketball, hockey, baseball,
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you know, you usually know what you're getting. But I
from stars pro athletes. But I did feel last night
it was like Kyrie in front of that crowd, felt
like he was almost affected by it. He and Luca
your turn, my turn. Not many assists by Kyrie. I
just felt he and Luca were just disjointed out of sorts. Now,
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some of it is obviously Boston. Boston is so deep defensively,
so many good wing defenders in such good size with porzingis,
they can just guard you man on man, one on
one and not switch. I mean, Jason Tatum can guard
a big, he can guard a wing. So Boston's really
good defensively, And I don't think I don't think Minnesota
was good defensively. I think this team has just certain gifts.
(15:16):
You know, their best player, Jason Tatum, is a veteran,
aunt's a kid, and so the Celtics, it's hard to
manipulate them. They can just guard you one on one.
They don't have to necessarily switch. Their bigs, can stay
at home. Tatum, I got it from here, Holiday, Derek White.
Now we're good on the wing. We don't need help.
They're a very hard team to manipulate. The other thing
(15:37):
about Kyrie, We've got to be honest. Luke is amazing.
Kyrie has been hot and cold in the playoffs. He
has two nine point games, he's got to twelve point games,
He's got multiple games. He's been dreadful from three point range,
one for seven and zero for five, a one for
six and zero for three in the playoffs. So Kyrie
(15:59):
has been all over the map beyond the arc in
these playoffs. Now he gets away with it because Dallas
is well coached, better defensively and Luca. He wins those
close games. But Kyrie talked about his night in Boston after.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
It's basketball at the end of the day. You know,
being in this environment. You know, I'm used to it
at this point. You know, early in my career there
was a different relationship that I had with Boston, just
being able to come here be settled with a veteran group.
Now I'm here as the veteran Over the past few years,
just experiencing the playoffs here, even a regular season, it's
(16:36):
been the same thing. I thought it was gonna be
a little louder in here, but I'm expecting the same
things going into Game two. Crowd trying to get me
out of my element. The environment is gonna be what
it is, but my focus is on our game plan
and making sure my guys feel confident and I feel confident.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I probably wouldn't have said I thought it was going
to be louder, although I do think Dallas will play
very well, especially early in game too.
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Speaker 1 (17:42):
This is Caitlin Clark stuff, to me is just fascinating.
It's got a racial component, it's got a gender component.
Gino Oriema, who's a great coach, He's the best women's
basketball coach of all time, said Caitlin Clark was set
up for failure. Calls out the delusional fans. He went
on to say, listen, these people are so disrespectful and
(18:02):
so unknowledgeable on the Dan Patrick Show to give women's
basketball a bad name. This kid was set up for
failure right from the beginning. She's not built for the
physicality of the league. Yet she's not quick enough to
get away from the physicality. So let me start by
saying fans are all delusional. Fans over value their own players.
They blame refs for every loss. I mean, you ask
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an Ohio State Buckeye fan, they've never lost a game.
It's the refs. It's you know, it's it's a conspiracy theory.
It's just that's fans, even my smartest friends, blaming the refs.
The number one pick. Let's start with there. The number
one pick in all pro leagues does not turn things
around year one. You know how many games the Spurs
won this year with Wemby the same number they won
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last year without Wemby. Andrew luck In twenty twelve is
the only guy that has walked into this league and
carried a crappy roster. Joe Burrow year won two and
seven and one and got hurt. Trevor Lawrence three and fourteen, awful,
Kyler Murray five ten and one led the NFL in
sack again. Wemby Spurs this year we're twenty two and sixty.
I think that's what they were the year before. They
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were just more fun to watch with Wemby. So everybody
take a deep breath. There's a racial component here, Yes,
there is. There's a gender component. And let me talk
about that. This is hard for a lot of people.
All speak slowly. We do treat women differently. We're more
protective do you know women were not allowed to run
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marathons in the Olympics until nineteen eighty four. There was
no science to back that. They weren't allowed to run
the Boston Marathon until the late sixties. There was no
science for that. We felt protective. Women were not allowed
to box in the Olympics until twenty twelve. Guys have
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been boxing in the Olympics since nineteen oh four. It
actually speaks well of us. A lot of men in
the media feels different when people are picking on Caitlin Clark.
Dads are tougher on boys, right, toughing them up, get
them ready. The reality is some of this there's a
racial component, there's a gender component. And but I will
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say this, Caitlin Clark's got a little Steph Curry and
a little Larry Bird. She's a trash talker, she's tough,
she's got a little swag, little swagger to her. Not
that she's brought this on, but she's built for this.
The media so far is not It's okay, but I
understand it. This was somewhat predictable. A rookie going into
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a pro league is going to be overwhelmed. Wemby Kyler Murray,
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and these are like Trevor Lawrence
is like an all time talent. Kaylen Williams this year,
I think if he wins eight, they should have a
parade in Chicago. If they go eight and nine, he's
going to have a four interception game. That's the way
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it works. But it could be the Olympics, it could
be marathon running, it could be boxing. There is gender
component here where it doesn't feel quite right. I keep
hearing they're picking on her, and maybe they are. They're
targeting her. Yeah, probably there's a money component, a financial component.
She's got, you know, twenty eight million dollar shoe deal
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in multiple endorsements, so there's some jealousy. Prove it. But again,
I'll say it. I think she's built for it. She
got a little Larry Bird trash talk. She kind of
gets in your face. She's not intimidated by it. She's
never complained about it. I don't think you can I
don't necessarily think you can blame fans. Caitlin Clark was
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discussed yesterday by Gino Though on The Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
If you're a college player, and you're a great college player, like.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Caitlyn was.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
The delusional fan base that follows her disrespect that the
WNBA players by saying she's going to go in that
league and tear it apart. These people are so disrespectful
and so unknowledgeable and so stupid. So the kid was
set up for failure right from the beginning. But nobody's printing.
You know, Diana Trassi was right. This kid's on the
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wrong team. She's got the wrong skill set. They handled
the physicality of that league, and she's a rookie. There's
a huge target on this kid's back. She's just not
built for the physicality of this league.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
For the record, I don't think fans disrespected the WNBA.
They didn't watch it. And if you don't watch the WNBA,
and James Jones pointed this out, he was been watching
it for years. Professional men's basketball men jump over other
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big men and dunk it. You'll see an occasional WNBA
breakaway dunk, but it's not as vertical a league. It's
more grounded and it's more pushing and shoving to score.
It's more the manipulation of bodies. In the NBA, you
can't stand in front of anybody everybody's too quick. The
beggs are shooting threes, the little guys are flying past
you and then jumping over you and dunking. That's not
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part of the WNBA's game, this vertical nature around the basket,
jumping over people. So it's a push shove game. But
I don't think the fans are necessarily any more delusional
than other fans. They just don't watch the WNBA until now,
and now they feel like she's being bullied, and I
think it's something that we're just more comfortable with young
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male athletes getting pushed around, sacked, rub your face in
the dirt a little bit. I think people probably are
a little bit more comfortable guys dealing with that. So
I think there's a lot of components here at play
money race gender. But I'll say it again, Caitlin Clark
appears to be built for it. She's not complaining about it.
I mean, she's averaging sixteen points a game, I think,
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five rebounds, six and a half assists. She's not shooting
terribly well thirty eight percent, but it's realistic to think
year she'll be at eighteen and a half a game,
six rebounds, seven and a half assis, shooting forty three percent.
That is a kind of a natural ascension or an
ascension of her skills. And I think she's been kind
of what we thought. She can get her own shot.
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She's a hell of a shooter. She is a playmaker.
She sees the floor. And it's a bumpy year one
Welcome to college star entering the pros. Andrew Luck is
the outlier. And even in Andrew Luck's rookie year and
second year, what did they always complain about? He throws
too many interceptions because nobody was open. But I mean
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he made a lot of mistakes, he took sacks, he
threw a lot of picks, and he was considered in
twenty twelve one of the all time, like John l
Way great right out of the shoot and he was
a turnover machine. Take a deep breath, Caitlin's going to
be okay. We're all going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
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Speaker 1 (25:01):
Jim Jackson, We're gonna have to take that conversation on
the air.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Actually it's the best conversation. It's all about cigars. If
anybody knows me. They know, Okay, where's Jimmy. He's at
a cigar bar. He's somewhere smoking again.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And great people in cigar bars.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
It is some of the best people ever met in
my life. Didn't think I had a commonality with somebody
because you sit down and maybe their businessmen or they
work somewhere else, whatever. But then you start smoking a cigar,
It's like, okay, what kind of cigar are you smoking?
You start talking about that, Then you start talking about
family business. What do you do next? You know, you
find a lot in common. So it's and it's grown
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folks up. Really you know what I mean? It really
is you got to sit and talk and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, you don't have to talk to me into it.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
It took you some time, though, you evolved into the
cigar smoker that you.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Thank you. I have your admiration. So, speaking of Lakers
would smoke a cigar if they could land Dan Hurley,
do you think he takes it? Should he take it?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
With the changing landscape of college basketball, it's so difficult.
I think Jay Wright was a precursor to a lot
of things. I think he saw a lot coming early
in regards to what with regards to the transfer a
portal where nil was going to pay for play, and
not that they don't want to coach, but now you're
basically coaching pro.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You're a capologist.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
You are because now in college you got to figure
out the best recruiting for college coaches now is retention
of your own players of how to keep them. And
that means that now you're going to have to raise
money to overpay to keep a player that's probably distrunted
and not as patient.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
And now you're going to still.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Deal with the bureaucracies of the NCAA, also with board members,
also with alumni, also with you know, raising money, you
might as well go to the league. You might as
well go to the NBA or professional sports because a
lot of the back noise you don't have to deal
with as you do in college. When you're a college coach,
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you know what it, especially at a major university, you're
like a CEO.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
You're running everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So some of these guys are just if I'm going
to pay people, I'd rather be a pro coach.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, mine as well.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
I mean because the lifestyle is a lot better, is
a lot different.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, you've done Yukon games.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Would I love Dan?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I love from a x's and os from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
He's a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
I actually I played against Danny when he was at Seton
Hall my junior year. He was a sophomore. Bobby, his brother,
is the same age as me. We came out of
high school together in eighty nine. But I love his
mind as a coach.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Now.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
The flip side is that is that he's a fiery individual,
like his mom, like his father, like his brother, like
the they bark. The transition to be able to do
that in the NBA, especially with a veteran team, that's
the challenge because you just can't turn that switch off.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He's fiery, and it works for a reason.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
It's a reason why his players respond to that. So
I don't worry about the ex's and I don't worry
about basketball and putting basketball people around Dan. It's that
other side of it that could be a little tenuous,
especially at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So Jim, let me throw this at you. I said
this yesterday. Is the Lakers were in this market and
for twenty years there was no NFL team here. They
owned it. And the Dodgers were good, but they weren't
winning World Series titles, and the Lakers were winning. They
owned the newspapers, they owned talk radio in LA. It
would be like the Yankees without the giants of the Jets.
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And they got arrogant and they're not patient. And my
thing is, now, this is a draft and developed league,
the new CBA. You can't have three stars. It doesn't
work that way. Austin's like an outlier. My take is,
are the Lakers built for Hurley, which is Wagner, Rhode Island,
Yukon take about three years to get us going? Are
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they built for that?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well, the history will tell you no. No.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
And good friend of mine, Antonio Daniels, who I love him,
is the color analyst for the Pelicans. Yeah, he uses
this when he talks about the Lakers, and I think
it's spout on organizational arrogance. From this perspective, is that
because the things that you said about the Lakers for
so long, and I was a part of organization briefly,
that we are the Lakers, you should be honored and
(29:30):
provige to come here. Rob Polink is a great friend
of mine.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Rob was with the.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Five Five when I was into great, great, unbelievable. But
they do have a sense that we're doing you a
favor by bringing you here. You remember when when ty
Lou was offered the job where they were interviewing ca
Lo Well, listen, at the time, a five year deal
was standing there for a guy who won a championship. Okay,
they offered him three years and wanted to pick his
(29:53):
coaching staff. He's like, oh, ho, wait, I've won this,
But in the backdrop was Frank Vogel.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
You know, I'll take it. I'll take the three years,
Darvin Ham.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
You bring a first year coach, second year coach in
with championship aspirations, understanding that there's a learning curve that
has to be there, so your patience is not there
now internally if some other things happen, I don't know
what is there to change now. If you bring in
whether that's JJ Reddick or a Dan Hurley, their championship
window is now, So what happens if it doesn't happen
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after next year? Lebron is on the back end of
an extension. You got to figure out what you want
to do at ad Is it okay championship or bus
year two and if it doesn't happen, we blow it up,
but we keep the coach and let him grow, or
do we search again? Because stability is one thing that
you need Colin, you know that to win.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
But if the people think the NBA is a mobile league,
take Lebron out. It doesn't work.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
No, especially when listen, what are the things people talk about.
When I was in Dallas, they said, well, why didn't
the matterage work? It's Tony Braxon stuff this word this.
I said, let me tell you something. I was there
five years, five and a half years. I had four
coaches and three owners in that time period.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
So you tell me, do you think we.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Establish any kind of continuity, any kind of mantra of
who we are as a team and as an organization?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We had none of that.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
So how do you expect from a Lakers perspective if
you're changing who sits in that pilot seat every couple
of years. I mean, philosophy, change, defensive schemes, changed everything.
And now you're a coach too, when you really don't
have control of your roster either on who's.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They players can smell it, oh big time. They know
when you're in dru They know when you're in trouble.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
So it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
Man, that's as great as an organization, and that's the
that's when you're the Yankees, when you're the Celtics, when
you're the you know, Red Size, you deal with these
issues because of expectations every year.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, good stuff, I'll get to the finals. I want
to go. Caitlin Clark I have said, listen, she's okay
with it. We don't know how to handle it. She's
not fragile in the media, we're kind of fragile. It's
just really hard to go every sport. Bryce Harper spent
time in the minors. Yeah, Alex Rodriguez spent two years
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in the miners in Tacoma. Like, basically, Caitlyn gets drafted,
they give her a jersey. An hour later, they blow
a whistle, go play. She's not. She's getting pushed around.
So like my thing is everybody she's gonna be fine.
There's a racial component, there's a gender component. We don't
like to see girls pushed and picked on them. Just
to you know, I was saying this early. We didn't
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let women box in the Olympics till twenty twelve. Yeah,
you know, we were protective. So some of this is
just like, wait, we're not We're okay with guys getting
picked on. We are Joe Burrow getting hit late? Were
that some of that. We don't like this, which I
think right speaks well. But I think she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
She is.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
I mean, the right to passage right, the right to passage.
You think Norm Nixon was happy when Magic Johnson came in, Seriously,
I mean it's when Michael Jordan came in. He had
his detractors. It goes down the list with men with
regards to the right to passage, football, baseball.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Basketball, hockey.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
You know, it's a prove now it happens in basketball too.
Kandas Parker had her share when she came into the
w NBA because she was a star, and she was
a star. Now that not only is she was NBA
Rookie of the Year and also won MVP. Yeah, I mean,
she's one of the greatest. She's one of the greatest
players ever. The dynamic see everything is timing with Caate
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mc clark. Because college basketball, I'm able to follow and
see the dynamic.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, you're one of the few people that there's college
m pro. You did a bunch of you come down.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
Listen the dynamic. People think, well, you weren't talking about
Kat and Carr. Yes, you were, You just didn't pay
attention to it. You didn't pay attention to what was
happening in the landscape. But she was doing this before
the National Championship game. For people in college that really
followed it, the challenge is now that you go to
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the WNBA, who has been growing, and those who followed
the game understand that the league has been great for
a long time.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
But it did just happen.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, the quality of play, the quality plays. She's the star, which,
by the way, Connor McGregor was to the UFC. But
the UFC over ten years was getting better fights, better cards,
better fighters, and then Connor just made it explode.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
But the timing was right. Connor was the right person
at the right time for the right product. And what
people don't understand is that as good as Angel Reese is,
her story is a lot different than Caitlyn' Caitlan's story
sells to Middle America.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
To the East coast, or the West coast, to the.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
South, classic Midwest under yeah, that's a story.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
So many times you don't have to be the best player,
but your story is a lot better and more intriguing.
So now you're drawing more eyes. That's not making it right,
wrong or indifferent. That's not saying she's better than Angel
Reese or whoever. That's that's that's irrelevant. What's relevant as
the story and the timing and the challenge for the
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w n B A is accepting what comes with that
with with her, start with con McGregor, with Connor McGregor,
there's going to be lights and dislikes. But now you've
got more eyes on the TV and you're gonna get
You're gonna that adds more criticism too.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Sure.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
The thing I think that the w NBA and and
to to their credit they're like, listen to a lot
of people now is just coming on board and want
to say stuffing you hadn't been following.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
But that's what happens. It happens with every sport.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
Casual listen, you think from a minority perspective, with the
eyes on PGA when Tiger came, then all of a sudden,
the casual fan came in and became golf experts when
Tiger came. Because the story was so phenomenal. You have
people that really didn't watch Saturday Sunday or even Friday golf.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But it's the same. It's the same thing.
Speaker 10 (36:18):
Here in regards to the new Eyes, and now you've
got more opinions.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Sometimes the story isn't the best player. Baker Mayfield for
a year was the story in the NFL number one pick.
Rash Cocky won the best player, but he was a story.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
He was a story.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He was on nine commercials as a rookie.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
Well, people can follow that, they can buy into it
and listen. Steph Curry wasn't the best player, but his
story for Davidson and growing in this wild Okay, is
he a better player than Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
No, But his story of how he got to where.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
He's at and what changed is a is a is
very yes.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Steph is the only basketball player. My son wasn't a
big athlete that like he liked. He was small, he
was thin. My son's I could be that the best stories.
Na Away was the best player. It just certain athletes
and politicians make us feels.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Is connectivity right? Connectivity?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Let's talk finally the finals. Sometimes I picked Denver Celtics Finals,
but Minnesota's GM formerly Denver. Minnesota to beat Denver. I
think Denver would a clabber Dallas. I don't think they
matched up. So now I watch a Dallas team that's hot,
(37:39):
but flawed, very offensively, lobsided, very much about two guys
I watched last night and I thought hell Tatum didn't
play great and they still rolled them. Is it possible
that Dallas got a huge break that Minnesota knocked out
the team that would have beaten the Denver They matched
up very well with Minnesota in Dallas, maybe a little
(37:59):
over whelmed in this series. They just don't have all
the pieces to defend all of Boston shooters.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
But isn't that what happens in sports, because that's the
beauty about the playoffs and the regular season. And think
about this too, how seting matters. At the end of
the season, Denver wins a few more games, maybe they're
a higher seed than Minnesota, and things.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Work out different seven.
Speaker 10 (38:27):
You know, I mean, things work out. Maybe it's not
okay see at the top, but that's how it works out.
The only thing you can do as a team is
prepare yourself to win and play whoever's in front of you. Okay,
whatever happens in the other series you can't control now.
But we all get down to it. When you get
to hear it's all about matchups. Denver is a better
matchup for probably in the long run, for Boston, but
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Minnesota was a better matchup to beat Denver.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Okay, So that's how this thing circulates.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
Now when you look at Boston playing the MAVs, the
advantage Dallas had against one of the best defensive teams
in the league was that it was a rim protecting team.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
This is a defending again.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Antonio'daniel says, this defensive versatility. What would you rather have
a rim protector or five guys that can guard over
the corner.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's the Celtics a little bit of that too, but
they weren't mature enough.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They choose to stay fundamental. That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So okase, he's a younger, less mature, less refined Boston exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Think about Minnesota's like this. It's like little things.
Speaker 10 (39:38):
So everybody saying, what Rudy Gobert the drop coverage, the
lob passes, Well, guess what. Boston played some drop coverage,
but they were disciplined enough not to inch in on
the baseline and give up that corner three where you
know Anthony Edwards and Alexander something with inch in and
bite for Luca and bite for I red for that
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floater and then they spread out to the corner. If
you notice, it wasn't a lot of open corner threes
for the MAVs. Boston's game plan. Okay, we're gonna drop coverage.
We're gonna force Kyrie and Luca to make tough twos.
We don't care if you make two point shots. You
make two point shots. We want to eliminate those corner threes.
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And then on offense, what we have the advantage is, Okay,
where's Luca. He's over there. Put him in this pick
and roll. We're going at him. Oh you want to
switch bringing back, We're gonna attack, force you to help rotate,
attack again, force you to rotate.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Then we're gonna get shots. And that's what you saw
last night from Boston.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Beautiful thing. You're gonna have a cigar tonight, let me.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
See, let me see and work out in about an hour,
I would say about three thirty afternoon.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Cigars are the best.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
With a little come on, we gotta have a little
double espresso.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Oh, it's like being in Florence, Italy.
Speaker 10 (40:57):
Speaking of which I think, uh man vision at him.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I'm gonna bring that to fruition.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Have you ever been to Florence?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Pizza baby walking? What odd with a cigar? Man? Talk
to me, j.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Max, you should come and it's a real life.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
It's real.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
He's a real one.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Here.
Speaker 10 (41:14):
Stop stop whooping, j just put the ball up, brou
come on over to the grown folks.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
He's a real one. It's a real life of that
nonsense you're shooting checking.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Out stop it.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Man, all right, we're just gonna take a break and
go to your We don't need her line, so let's
go to your uh what do you call it? Your
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