June 8, 2024 • 44 mins
In this Herd Best of the Week, it's another edition of "Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong." Plus, Colin urges the media to stop coddling Indiana Fever star Caitlin Clark after her hard foul incident involving Chennedy Carter of the Chicago Sky. And after one NFL wide receiver just got paid, what do the Cowboys do about CeeDee Lamb's compensation? Also, FOX Sports MLB analyst Alex Rodriguez stops in to weigh Ohtani or Soto as the year's best roster addition, Aaron Judge's strong season, why the Phillies are dominating, and more! Finally, FOX Sports NBA analyst Jim Jackson sits down with Colin to opine on the possible hiring of Dan Hurley with the Lakers, Caitlin Clark's adjustment to the WNBA, and Game 1 of the NBA Finals.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Here we go Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The Celtics has predicted would not only reach the NBA Finals.
I said it would be sweeps and gentlemen's sweeps, and
that's exactly what happened, and they did it with that
highly productive big Chris stops porzingis part of this is
the East is the weakest it's been in forever. But
the other part is Boston is very offensively deep, they're
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usually defensively engaged. They're an excellent team. And this was
one of the easier predictions going into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I can remember where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But I didn't think Luca and the MAVs would beat Minnesota.
I didn't know if they could beat Oklahoma City. And
here they are. Rookie Derek Lively has inserted himself into
this lineup and has been hugely important. I didn't think
a number one ball usage guy who previously had been
a little difficult to play with, Kyrie Irving, temperamental, where's
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his head at? It didn't feel like a finals team.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Said last week, Justin Jefferson's on a short list of
two or three receivers, I would back up the Brinks
truck four. And this morning he got a record contract.
And this is an offensive coach who understands his value.
If you go look at wide receiver signings, the big ones,
Davonte Adams, Deebo, Samuel Terry mcclaurin, Cooper Cup, there's almost
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no busts. Offensive coaches know how to get the ball
to their playmaker. I liked the signing we thought would
be coming soon. Where Colin was raw, I sort of
semi dismissed JJ Reddick as the Lakers coach, not because
I don't think he's really bright, great broadcaster, podcaster, but
it felt like a fun story, but not like a
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realistic one. But reportedly last week the Athletic saying that
he is now assembling a staff, So why wouldn't they
name a coach. They're waiting for the NBA Finals and
for JJ Reddick to stop broadcasting. So I was wrong
on that where Colin was right. I told you I
didn't like the WNBA with Caitlin Clark. I thought they
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really screwed up the schedule. Well, she's now played eleven
games in twenty days. The Las Vegas Aces have played
half that. Two other teams have played seven. Could somebody
in the WNBA scheduling office figure it out? You're giving
her the toughest schedule in the league, defensive teams, back
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to backs. What's going on? You knew a year ago
she was come into the league and probably would go
in as number one. The last time the WNBA had
a team play eleven games in twenty days, that team
went one and ten. It's just too much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
PFF ranked its rosters last week and they had the
Chargers at twenty six, below the Saints, Titans, and Raiders.
I know they're wide receiver light, but twenty six you're
getting around New England Patriots territory. They've got a star quarterback,
a star left tackle, two star edge rushers twenty six
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Am I an la Homer or what maybe I am?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The Miami Dolphins paid not only Tyreek Hill Jalen Waddle
EIGHTYFA eighty five million dollars last week. This is my
belief is that they're gonna pay players, but they're not
going to let two of manipulate them and get into
the fifty five sixty million a year. And the way
to do that is pay two of his weapons. You'll
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have to have money for a left tackle, an edge rusher,
a top corner. So this to me is the Dolphin
sending a message, we like you, but we think with
this coach and these weapons, we can win with a
lot of quarterbacks, including you, but not exclusively you. Where
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Colin was right Sean Peyton again last week discussing bow Nicks,
the rookie quarterback from Oregon. We thought it was a
perfect fit. Peyton and bow here's the coach.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
All three of them are doing well. You know, specifically
to bow he's doing really well. He's picking it up,
there's a lot that's going in. He's throwing the ball
extremely well.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Where Colin was raw I may beat up on New
York Sports teams. But the Yankees look phenomenal. Aaron Judge
is on a heater. They lead baseball in home runs.
They have the best er in baseball. Soto and Judge
are top two in ops. New York teams tend to
waste money and be poorly run. I don't always love
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the John Carlos Stanton contract, but this is a real team,
power pitching, power hitting.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They deserve the credit where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Matt Eberflus echoed sentiments that we have that Caleb Williams
is actually well suited for hard knocks by the way
he played in La Lincoln Riley's high profile. The buzz
around Caleb is generating major networks to schedule games. He
got four or five National TV games. This is what
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we said about it. He's gonna in Chicago, and it's
not gonna look or feel like Justin Fields, who was
a middling prospect. This isn't Andrew Luck, This is an Lway,
this is a Marino, this is a Peyton Manning. It's
a whole different ballgame. He is a franchised tilter and
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you are already seeing it. Iber Flu says, we don't
have any concerns his personality is built for hard Knocked
Chicago and to be a star in the NFL. Where
Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong.
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Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh, here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
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I love days like today. A sports story becomes a
social story, a cultural story. Try to sort it out
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as men lose their minds Nick Right one hour from now,
j Mac Yesterday, the sports world mostly men, overwhelmingly men,
ESBN hosts, others. Editorial boards lost their mind. They don't
know how to cover Caitlin Clark of the WNBA. So
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I'm gonna I'm gonna try to help help them out. Please,
I'll be the consultant on this. So uh. The Chicago
Tribune editorial board defended Caitlin Clark and said that a
hard foul on her. They likened it to an assault.
If this wasn't sports, it would be an assault. No,
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it would be a flagrant foul, which the sport penalizes
through free throws. Oh boy, guys, here's the here's the
ultimate respect that you can give Caitlin Clark. Treat her
like a pro athlet because that's what she is with
a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal. She's tough and
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she's competitive, so is Angel Reese. Stop pandering, stop coddling,
start stop protecting. WNBA players are pro athletes. We got
a lot of pro leagues all over the world. They're
pro athletes. Now I hear this pushback, Well, how come
you guys didn't cover us before Caitlin Clark because you
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weren't that popular. I don't cover hockey because the average
sports fan can't name three players. I don't cover regular
season baseball much. I don't cover college basketball, men's or
women's much before March. I'm in the omelet business. I'm
not in the egg business. You need to be made
before I talk about you. It's not my job to
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make you popular, So I will push back on you.
Didn't talk about you. I didn't talk much golf until
Tiger Woods arrived. This league needed a catalyst. WNBA got
better and better and better, and so women's basketball. I've
talked about this for fifteen years. It's the most improved
sport in my lifetime. More young women, multiple generations are
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encouraged now to get into sports, and basketball has taken off.
The league just needed a catalyst and they got it
and now we talk about it. But let's stop treating
these pro athletes more like the women part instead of
the pro athlete part. Caitlin Clark is acknowledged she played
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with boys. She's rough, she can be intimidating. There's footage
on the Internet of her shoving college players on the floor.
There is also a racial component in this with her
and Angel Reevees and Kennedy Carter that's undeniable. But she's
become a screen that everybody is projecting what they want
her to be instead of what she is. Tough as nails,
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great professional athlete, and let's not be pandering and cringe
and weird. Just treat her like a pro basketball player.
She's got a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal, four
or five national endorsements. She's gonna be fine. And I
loved I loved Kennedy Carter, you know, the one that
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assaulted her. I loved her pushback on this entire situation.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
At the end of the day, it's all love outside
of basketball. Well, we're in those core lines. It's smoke
after it's all love. I promise we're a genuine team,
We're a genuine person. We're not We didn't hit her
like she was out on the street. It just happened
like it's over with. I don't know what we're dragging it,
but we could see you to jag a blake. That happened,
and a whole fourth quarter happened after that. Multiple events
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happened after that guy. So we just got to let
that play go.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
These women are not fragile. Some of you men who
are covering them are Phil Knight opening manifesto at Nike.
He wrote ten things when he started the company, and
number nine is my favorite. It won't be pretty. The
WNBA is exploding in popularity, and it's going to be turbulent,
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like a tech business, a media business. Whenever anything goes
from semi noticeable to really popular, it's turbulent. You see
it with individuals in the entertainment business. Now you're seeing
it with a league. It's a little turbulent. It's a
quickly ascending business and they're never pretty and they're going
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through their ugly stage right here with the media doesn't
know what to ask and it's cringey and it's assault
and they're defending it. But I love Angel Rehaese coming out.
Her and Caitlin Clark go back to college, and she
gets it. She understands what I talked about yesterday. She's
willing to play the villain. There are no great movies
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without conflict. The more conflict, the more villains, the better
the script, the better the streaming movie. And here's Angel
Reese on this entire period we're going through with the
WNBA and Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It all started from the National Championship game and I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding,
like yet negative things have probably been said about me,
But honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is.
People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think
that we talked about women's basketball. People are pulling up
to games. We got celebrities coming to games, soda aut arenas,
like just because of one single game, and just looking
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at that like, I'll take that role. I'll take the
bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on
and be that for my teammates. And if I want
to be that, and I know I'll go down in history.
I'll look back in twenty years and be like, yeah,
the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just
because of one person. It's because of me too. And
I want you to realize that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
She's gonna be the villain. She's gonna be the Draymond Green. Now,
Caitlyn Clark. Maybe she has the potential to be the
star that's scoring all the points. But there's always somebody
who makes movies and sports in a seven game series
in March madness more compelling. I love the fact is
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this sport explodes and nobody in the media quite knows
how to handle it. Mostly guys, we're not quite sure
how to handle it. At WNBA, you got players saying
it's all love.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
In the street. You got another one saying I'll be
the villain. Kayln Clark said, yeah, it's no big deal.
I got knocked out all the time I've pushed people.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're not fragile.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
We are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
They're tough, they're defiant, They're gonna be fine, Embrace them,
have a good time. They're pro athletes. Kaylin Clark doesn't
mind getting pushed down. She'll push right back, She'll get
free throws. Angel Reese, I'll be the villain. Kennedy Carter, Well,
you guys talking about it still, we moved on. It's
all love. You understand what's happening here. These pro athletes
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get it. We're struggling to figure it out.
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Speaker 1 (14:49):
All right, let's get to a you rod. This is
going to be We might as well have the National
American League All Star Game. We talked about it yesterday.
The Yankees and Dodgers don't even have like Garrett Coolest
bat Kershaw's not there dominating teams they play this weekend
A rod Alex Rodriguez twenty two years in the sport
block sports joining us.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It is nuts.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So you've done this before, You've come to a team.
There's a lot of pressure and there's a lot of
Otani goes to the Dodgers. He's got that thing he's
dealing with, yet he's been amazing. Soto goes with the Yankees.
A lot of pressure for soda. They're both just lighting
it up. Are you surprised with the added pressure in
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big markets La?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
New York?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Both undeterred, unbothered, crushing it in your one.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
Hey, Colin, No, I'm not surprised. I mean, these are
two of the best athletes, not only in baseball but
in all of sports. And the only Sodo comparison that
I have is I remember in ninety two or ninety
three when Barry Bonds arrived in San Francisco and forever
he converted that franchise. Yeah, you know for the next
ten or plus years is one of the places to be.
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How to stick it around and one Sodo simply the
best hitter in baseball playing for the best team for
the number one market in baseball. But there's addition of
pressure because unlike Otani, who has about a decade ago
plus in the Dodgers, this is Soto's first year in
New York and maybe his last. And I think that
adds an incredible amount of pressure to this season for
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the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, Aaron Judge is I mean, I've said this before.
He's got almost a Babe Ruth quality. He does. He
looks like a defensive end in the NFL. And if
you look at the history of New York, many of
the most successful stars Jeter e. Lion, Aaron Judge, they
grow with the market. They're not stars day one. They
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grow with the market. You came in as a star, right,
you came in big. Was there a moment with Aaron Judge?
Did you know for did you know for years ago,
three years ago? Did you know initially, Yeah, that's gonna work,
that's going to be a start. Did you see qualities
early besides his obvious size?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
What what you.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Saw was a young man that was six foot seven,
two hundred and eighty two pounds, you know, less than
ten percent body fat and is an absolute specimen. And
how lucky are we that he chose baseball over football
because he had Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State all coming
after him. And he's a tremendous, tremendous young man. He
is like Derek Jeter there. He's a prototypical New York guy,
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Madison Avenue, likable, great parents, educators all around his family.
You know, he's married to his junior high sweetheart. I mean, Colin.
If you can just make up the perfect New York
Madison Avenue player is Aaron Judge. This is the kind
of player that George Steinbrenner would have just been madly
in love with.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's is it? Is it hard? He's a good
looking kid. Is it hard to stay out of? I
shouldn't say trouble, but it is. There's so many things
in New York. It's just it's one of those like
La is different, Alex, La is so spread out. You
go to Malibu, you hide from everybody New York. You're
on an island. It's just Broadway, Nicks, Yankees. It can
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didn't were there times in New York where you felt
like I'm just being engulfed by all this.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
I mean, and New York's the greatest city in the world.
I tell you, Sometimes you feel like you're in the
middle of the circus, and sometimes you feel like you're
the clown that everybody's looking at. It's hard to get
away with it. To your point about La, there's a
lot of ways where you can get away New York.
There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. I think one
of the things that helped Aaron Judge is number one.
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I think the front office, the coaching staff have done
a tremendous job developing him. He wasn't rushed, I thought
getting to the big leagues, you know, at daye of
twenty four to twenty five, where he was more mature, helped.
And being in New York from day one gave him
a runway to really prepare for the bright lights of
New York City. And of course having tremendous parents and DNA.
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This guy's just a tremendous human being.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So yesterday we said, just to give people an example
of how stacked these teams are, we took the Dodgers
and the Yankees and we said, if we did a
batting order today, Mooki would lead off, we'd play him
at second. This it's so stacked when you combine these
two that we had Sodo batting second, Otani third, Aaron
Freddie Freeman, John Carlos, Stanton, will Smith. We got Max
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Munsei at nine, who had thirty six hovers last year.
It is it is interesting to watch it. Are you
concerned at all when you look at a team like
the Dodgers or the Yankees that they could become home
run dependent? And historically alex home run leaders don't win
the World Series. It's situational baseball, it's late inning pitching.
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Are you concerned at all that these teams are home
run dependent?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
No, I'm not. I was totally concerned about the Yankees
last year in whether home run or There was a
number of games where they had a lineup with nine
right handed hitters, which is unheard of for the New
York Yankees and their history. Both these teams have complete
offensive packages. They can hit for power, they can hit
it in the clutch, they can take it pitching. They're
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both very high on their walks, so they have ego
eye at the play and they can beat you so
many ways and look Soto has completely changed the whole
fabric of this team. And you look at the ripple
effect and how well Aaron Judge is playing, Vope's developing,
and Stanton's like a different guy because you have a righty,
lefty righty dynamic in which you have a lot of
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favorable lineup matchups, especially in the middle of the game
when you face the belly of the opposition's bullpen.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So the Phillies and the Mets are in London Saturday,
twelve thirty Eastern on Fox. I've said this before. I
don't know what it is, and I've never considered baseball
to be a home field advantage, although I did think
Old Yankee Stadium intimidated teams. You get into late innings.
It felt the ghost, It felt big. It wasn't just
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rickety enough that it just it felt like it was
just turbulent as the fans were going nuts. But I
watched Bryce Harper and I watched the Phillies, and it
does feel like they feed off they feed off their fans.
Your thoughts on as you look at Bryce Harper, I
think he's delivered on all the hype I do. I
think he's I think he's a rock star. I think
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he connects with cities. I think he's productive at this
point in his career. How would you describe Bryce Harper's
journey where he is currently in the Phillies.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
He's one of my favorite players. I mean Bryce Harper
simply one of my favorite players, not in just generation,
but at all generations. He's an old schooler. I mean,
he's a guy they're gonna play with Pete Rose and
Larry Bowa and Steve Carlton and in many others in
that generation. But it's hard to believe that this kid
was in the cover of Sports Illustrated as a fifteen
or sixteen year old colin and you fast forward fifteen
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years and he's actually outperformed his incredible ceiling. He's been
better than advertised. And and there's probably a handful of
people over the last hundred years that I've had expectations
that high, whether that's Kobe Bryant, whether there's Lebron James,
whether that's the way that I came up as a
first pick. And he's one of the few that's been
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able to be better than advertised. And he is truly
I can't believe, I'm gonna say it is underpaid and
is a great, great contract for the Philadelphia affilities, and
he's a perfect match for that great city and there's
that great fan base.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So there's three or four teams that can mash it.
The Yankees Dodgers have like really really good lineups. But
there is something that there's I'd look at this because
I used to look at this as a kid, so
I still look at it. There's a lot of teams
hitting under like two thirty nine, and then there's a
handful of teams and the Yankees Dodgers them that are
mashing it. They can hit. Is this more about I
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don't recall a time in my life whether we're more
six or five guys throwing one oh one? Is it
just a matter of the athletes are bigger, the sport's
more global, more guys throw hard. We're going to more
relief pitchers. So the guy in the fifth six to
seventh then all throws ninety eight. Is that just symptomatic
of what the sport is, which is there's so many
great arms. It takes an errand judge or a Freeman
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or a Mookie to get hits consistently. It's just too
hard anymore.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Yeah, But you know, I think the pendulum sometimes goes
way too far to the right. And you've seen the Yankees.
To oversimplify why the Yankees are one of the best
team in baseball and last year they were one of
the worst. Just look at their starting pitching. Starting pitching
is back the top five teams in baseball. They have
the top five starting pitchers that can go long into games.
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Is not just I want to throw every pitch as
hard as ponsible and if I pitch two and a
third that's quality start. That's a bunch of nonsense. So
that pendulum is kind of swinging back. The other thing
that the Yankees have done a tremendous job, and this
is really a microcosm of what I think you're going
to see in the future, is they've brought back baseball players,
not just put the iPads away, but bring the stick.
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Michaels Jane Michael, the great executive for Yankees for many,
many years. He liked players that can hit from both
sides of the play, that can make contact, big strong athletes.
And then they've brought back coaching baseball people back into
that dugout with Pat Wrestler. They've brought back people that
can teach the game. And this is the best coaching
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staff the Yankees have had since the championship year in
two thousand and nine. And I also think it is
one of the main reasons why they've turned it around with.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
All the stuff that Otani went through. He's got such
a unique personality. I said before I kind of defended him.
I said, you know, he comes into another country, he's
got language barriers. He moves up the interstate, angels to
the his life is big, and he's a rock star
in two countries. Give this kid a break. It is
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kind of fascinating in a weird way. This is odd
that he has a language barrier actually helps him because
right like, it does give him a buffer with the
media a little bit. But I am surprised that he
wasn't at least a little bit emotionally engulfed by what
he went through. Are you a little surprised. I don't
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think he's guilty. I don't know, but it's he's like,
not stubbed his toe for me. I mean, he's on fire.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
The guy's amazing. Colin. Look, I mean, look, Otani is
a national treasure. There's no question about it. I just
wish that when I went through all my controversy, I
was playing for the Tokyo Giants, and now than he again,
that hurts. But look, I think he handled it beautifully.
I thought Rob Manford in the league investigated quickly, they
got to an answer, they were resolute, and they moved on.
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And I could not think of what a disaster I
would be if I was playing out in Brazil, or
playing for Tokyo, or playing in Korea or playing anywhere.
It would just be very, very challenging. And the way
he makes it look Colin, it's not only impressive, but
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, all right, Alex Trodriguez. Three game series starts tomorrow Saturday,
Anton Fox London game Phillies Mets. By the way, it
is interesting that in New York City one team loads
up the lineup and they can handle the stress the Yankees.
Last year, the Mets did it and they folded like
a deck chair. There is something, there's a vibeer of
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culture about the Mets. How do you I mean the
Podres last year had all these great players couldn't handle it.
There is something I don't know what it is about
the Yankees and the Mets. The pressure. The Yankees tend
to historically feed off it, the Mets fold off it.
Explain it to me, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
I don't know if there's an explanation, but certainly one
team is they're in two separate elevators. One one is
going to the penthouse, the other one is going to
the basement. And if you think about the year two thousand,
it was so crazy that they were both great. They
both went to the World Series in the Subway Series,
but that's kind of an anomaly. I do think that
the Mets will reset. I think Steve Cohen has tremendous resources.
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He will put the right people in place. But they
got to think about rebuilding this team, and the New
York Yankees basically gave you a floor plan right on
how to get it back. And I think, so who's
going to be a very pertinent conversation to be had
this offseason. I think Steve Cohen's going to go for
him very, very aggressively, and that'll be a twofold win, right,
and they can put him on the Mats and take
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them away from the Yankees and then start building your
team around great starting pitching, young starting pitching, draft picks,
defense and athleticism, and I think the Mets could be
on track in the next few years.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Alex is always good seeing you. Appreciate you giving us
time today. Thanks appreciate it.
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Speaker 1 (28:01):
Jim Jackson, We're gonna have to take that conversation on
the air of Actually it's.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
The best conversation. It's all about cigars.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
If anybody knows me, they know, Okay, where's Jimmy, He's
at a cigar bar.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He's somewhere smoking again, and great people in cigar bar.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
It is some of the best people ever met my life.
Didn't think I had a commonality with somebody because you
sit down and maybe their businessmen or they work somewhere
else whatever. But then you start smoking a cigar, It's like, okay,
what kind of cigar are you smoking? You start talking
about that. Then you start talking about family business. What
do you do next? You know, you find a lot
in common. So it's and it's grown folks uff. Really
(28:37):
you know what I mean? It really is you got
to sit and talk and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, You don't have to talk me into it.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
It took you some time, though, you evolved into the
cigar smoker that you.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Thank you. I have your admiration. So speaking of Lakers
would smoke a cigar if they could land Dan Hurley?
Do you think he takes it? Should he take it?
Speaker 9 (29:00):
With the changing landscape of college basketball, it's so difficult.
I think Jay Wright was a precursor to a lot
of things. I think he saw a lot coming early
in regards to what with regards to the transfer a
portal where nil was going to pay for play, and
not that they don't want to coach, but now you're
basically coaching.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Pro You're a capologist.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
You are because now in college you got to figure
out the best recruiting for college coaches now is retention
of your own players of how to keep them. And
that means that now you're going to have to raise
money to overpay to keep a player that's probably distruntal
and not as patient. And now you're got to still
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deal with the bureaucracies of the NCAA, also with board members,
also with alumni, also with you know, raising money, you
might as well go to the league, you might as
well go to the to the NBA or professional sports
because a lot of the back noise you don't have
to deal with as you do in college. When you're
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a college coach, you know what it, especially at a
major university, you're like a CEO.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
You're running everything.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
So some of these guys are just if I'm gonna
pay people, I'd rather be a pro coach.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Yeah, mine as well.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I mean, because the lifestyle is a lot better, is
a lot different.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, you've done Yukon games.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Just I mean, I love Dan.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
I love from a x's and o's from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
He's a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
I actually I played against Danny when he was at
Seton Hall my junior year. He was a sophomore. Bobby,
his brother, is the same age as me. We came
out of high school together in eighty nine. But I
love his mind as a coach. Now, the flip side
is that is that he's a fiery individual, like his mom,
like his father, like his brother, like the they bark.
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The transition to be able to do that in the NBA,
especially with a veteran team, that's the challenge because you
just can't turn that switch off. He's fiery, and it
works for a reason. It's a reason why his players
respond to that. So I don't worry about the ex's
and I don't worry about basketball and putting basketball people
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around Dan. It's that other side of it that could
be a little tenuous, especially at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
So Jim, let me throw this at you. I said
this yesterday. Is the Lakers were in this market and
for twenty years there was no NFL team here. They
owned it, and the Dodgers were good, but they weren't
winning World Series titles, and the Lakers were winning. They
owned the newspapers, they owned talk radio in LA. It
would be like the Yankees without the giants of the Jets.
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And they got arrogant and they're not patient. And my
thing is, now, this is a draft and develop league,
the new CBA. You can't have three stars. It doesn't
work that way. Boston's like an outlier. My take is,
are the Lakers built for Hurley, which is Wagner, Rhode Island,
Yukon take about three years to get us going. Are
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they built for that?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
The history will tell you no, no. And good friend
of mine.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Antonio Daniels, who I love him, is the color analyst
for the Pelicans. Yeah, he uses this when he talks
about the Lakers, and I think it's spot on organizational arrogance.
From this perspective, is that because the things that you
said about the Lakers for so long, and I was
a part of organization briefly, that we are the Lakers,
you should be honored and proviuged to come here. Rob
(32:30):
Polink is a great friend of mine. Rob was with
the Five five when I was into state. Great unbelievable,
but they do have a sense that we're doing you
a favor by bringing you here. You remember when when
tdy Lou was offered the job where they were interviewing, well, listen,
at the time, a five year deal was standing there
for a guy that won a championship. Okay, they offered
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him three years and wanted to pick his coaching staff.
He's like, oh, I've won this, But in the backdrop
was Frank Vogel, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
I'll take I'll take the three years. Darvin Ham.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
You bring a first year coach, second year coach in
with championship aspirations, understanding that there's a learning curve that
has to be there, So your patience is not there
now Internally if some other things happen, I don't know
what is there to change now.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
If you bring in.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Whether that's JJ Reddick or a Dan Hurley, their championship
window is now. So what happens if it doesn't happen
after next year? Lebron is on the back end of
an extension. You got to figure out what you want
to do with ad Is it okay championship or bus
year two? And if it doesn't happen, we blow it up.
(33:37):
But we keep the coach and let him grow or
do we search again? Because stability is one thing that
you need Colin you know that to win.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But I think people think the NBA is a mobile league.
Take Lebron out. It doesn't work the.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Time now, especially when listen, what are the things people
talk about. When I was in Dallas, they said, well,
why didn't the matterge work? It's Tony Braxon stuff this
word this.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
I said, let me tell you something.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
I was there five years, five and a half years.
I had four coaches and three owners in that time period.
So you tell me, do you think we establish any
kind of continuity, any kind of mantra of who we
are as a team and as an organization.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
We had none of that.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
So how do you expect from a Lakers perspective if
you're changing who sits in that pilot seat every couple
of years. I mean, philosophy changed, defensive schemes changed everything.
And now you're a coach too, when you really don't
have control of your roster either on whose.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
They players can smell it, Oh, big time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
They know when you're in they know when you're in trouble.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
So's It's one of those things. Man, that's as great
as an organization. And that's the that's when you're the Yankees,
when you're the Celtics, when you're the you know, Red Sox.
You deal with these issues because of expectations every year.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, good stuff. I'll get to the finals. I want
to go. Caitlin Clark I have said, listen, she's okay
with it. We don't know how to handle it. She's
not fragile, and the media we're kind of fragile. It's
just really hard to go every sport. Bryce Harper spent
time in the minors. Yeah, Alex Rodriguez spent two years
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in the miners in Tacoma. Like basically, Caitlyn gets drafted,
they give her a jersey. An hour later, they blow
a whistle, go play. She's not She's getting pushed around.
So like my thing is everybody, she's gonna be fine.
There's a racial component, there's a gender component. We don't
like to see girls pushed and picked on them, just
to you know, I was saying this early. We didn't
(35:47):
let women box in the Olympics till twenty twelve. Yeah,
you know, we were protective. So some of this is
just like, well, we're not We're.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay with guys getting picked on.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We are Joe Burrow getting hit late.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Ye, we'll go with some of that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
We don't like this, which I think right speaks well.
But I think she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
She is.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I mean, the right to passage, right, the right to passage.
You think Norm Nixon was happy when Magic Johnson came in. Seriously,
I mean it's when Michael Jordan came in. He had
his detractors. It goes down the list with men in
with with regards to the right to passage, football, baseball, basketball, hockey.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
You know, it's a proven thing.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
Now it happens in basketball too. Kandas Parker had her
share when she came into the w NBA because she
was a star, and she was a star. Now that
not only is she was NBA Rookie the Year and
also won MVP. Yeah, I mean she's one of the greatest.
She's one of the greatest players ever. The dynamic see
everything is timing with Kate mc clark. Because college basketball,
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I'm able to follow and see the dynamic.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, you're one of the few people that there's college
m pro. You did a bunch of you come.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Down, listen the dynamic. People think, well, you weren't talking
about kick and Carr.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Yes, you were.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
You just didn't pay attention to it. You didn't pay
attention to what was happening in the landscape. But she
was doing this before the National Championship Game. For people
in college that really followed it. The challenge is now
that you go to the WNBA, who has been growing,
and those who followed the game understand that the league
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has been great for a long time.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
It did just happen.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, the quality of play, the quality plays. She's the star, which,
by the way, Connor McGregor was to the UFC. But
the UFC over ten years was getting better fights, better cards,
better fighters, and then Connor just made it explode.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
But the timing was right.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Connor was the right person at the right time for
the right product. And what people don't understand is that
as good as Angel Reese is, her story is a
lot different than Caitlyn'. Caitlin's story sells to Middle America,
to the East coast, or the West coast, to the.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
South, classic Midwest under yeah, that's a story.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
So many times you don't have to be the best player,
but your story is a lot better and more intriguing.
So now you're drawing more eyes. That's not making it right,
wrong or indifferent. That's not saying she's better than Angel
Reese or whoever. That's that's that's irrelevant. What's relevant as
the story and the timing and the challenge for the
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w n b A is accepting what comes with that
with with.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Her start with Conor McGregor, With Connor.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
McGregor, it's gonna be lights and dislikes. But now you've
got more eyes on the TV and you're gonna get
You're gonna that adds more criticism too. Sure, the thing
I think that the w n B A and and
to to their credit, they're like, listen to a lot
of people now is just coming on board and want
to say stuffing you haven't been following.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
But that's what happens. It happens with every sport.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Casual listen, you think I'm a minority perspective with the
eyes on PGA when Tiger came, Then all of a sudden,
the casual fan came in became golf experts when Tiger
came because his story was so phenomenal. You have people
that really didn't watch Saturday, Sunday or even Friday golf.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
But it's the same. It's the same thing.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
Here in regards to the new eyes and now you've
got more opinions.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, Sometimes the story isn't the best player. Baker Mayfield
for a year was the story in the NFL number
one pick. Rash Cocky won the best player, but he
was a story.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
He was a story.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He was on nine commercials as a rookie.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Well, people can follow that, they can buy into it
and listen. Steph Curry wasn't the best player, but his
story for Davidson and growing and this wild okay, is.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
He a better player than Lebron James. No, but his
story of how he got to.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Where he's at and what changed is a a is
very intrigued.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, Steph is the only basketball player my son wasn't
a big athlete that like he liked. He was small,
he was thin. My son's Oh, I could be that
the best stories not always the best player. It just
certain athletes and politicians make us feels connectivity, right, connectivity.
Let's talk finally the finals. Sometimes I picked Denver Celtics Finals,
(40:25):
but Minnesota's GM formerly Denver Minnesota to beat Denver. I
think Denver would have clobber Dallas. I don't think they
matched up. So now I watch a Dallas team that's hot,
but flawed, very offensively, lobsided, very much about two guys
I watched last night and I thought hell Tatum didn't
(40:46):
play great and they still rolled them.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Is it possible that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Dallas got a huge break that Minnesota knocked out the
team that would have beaten the Denver They matched up
very well with Minnesota in Dallas maybe a little over
one in this series. They just don't have all the
pieces to defend all of Boston shooters.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
But isn't that what happens in sports?
Speaker 9 (41:07):
Soo, because that's the beauty about the playoffs and the
regular season. And think about this too, how seting matters.
At the end of the season. Denver wins a few
more games, maybe they're a higher seed than Minnesota, and
things work.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Out different seven, I mean, things work out.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Maybe it's not. Okay, see at the top, but that's
how it works out.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
The only thing you can do as a team is
prepare yourself to win and play whoever's in front of you. Okay,
whatever happens in the other series you can't control now.
But we all get down to it when you get
to hear it's all about matchups. Denver is a better
matchup for probably in the long run, for Boston, but
(41:52):
Minnesota was a better matchup to beat Denver. Okay, So
that's how this thing circulates. Now when you look at
Boston playing the MAVs, the advantage Dallas had against one
of the best defensive teams in the league was that
it was a.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Rim protecting team.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
This is a defending again, Antonio O'Daniel says, this defensive versatility.
What would you rather have a rim protector or five
guys that can guard over the corner.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
That's the Celtics a little bit of that too, but
they weren't mature enough choose to stay fundamental.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's right, So okase, he's a younger, less mature, less
refined Boston exactly.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Think about Minnesota's like this. It's like little things.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
So everybody is saying, what Rudy Gobert the drop coverage,
the lob passes.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Well, guess what, Boston played some drop coverage.
Speaker 9 (42:45):
But they were disciplined enough not to inch in on
the baseline and give up that corner three where you
know Anthony Edwards and Alexander something withou inch in and
bite for Luca and bite for Kyrie for that floater
and then they spread out to the corner. If you notice,
it wasn't a lot of open corner threes for the MAVs.
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Boston's game plan, Okay, we're gonna drop coverage. We're gonna
force Kyrie and Luca to make tough twos. We don't
care if you make two point shots. You make two
point shots. We want to eliminate those corner threes. And
then on offense, what we have the advantage is, Okay,
where's Luca he's over there. Put him in this pick
and roll. We're going at him. Oh you want to switch,
(43:28):
bringing back, We're gonna attack, force you to help rotate,
attack again, force you to rotate. Then we're gonna get shots.
And that's what you saw last night from Boston.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Beautiful thing. You're gonna have a cigar tonight.
Speaker 9 (43:42):
Let me see, let me see and work out in
about an hour, I would say about.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
Three thirty afternoon.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Cigars are the best.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
What a little come on, we gotta have a little
double espresso.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh, it's like being in Florence, Italy.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
Speaking of which I think a man envision that him.
I'm gonna bring that to fruition.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Have you ever been to Florence?
Speaker 6 (44:04):
Pizza baby walking with a cigar? Man, talk to me,
j Max.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
You should come. And it's a real life.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
It's real. He's a real one. Here.
Speaker 9 (44:14):
Stop stop whooping, j Ma. Just put the ball up, bro,
come on over to the grown folks.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
He's a real one. It's a real life. And that
nonsense you're shooting checking up people.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Man. I'm like, man, stop it, man.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
All right, we're just going to take a break and
go to your We don't need her line So let's
go to your uh, what do you call it, your
headline thing. We don't really need nothing against your updates.
They're very fantastic, but Jim philled a scillating I'm more
than happy.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Here we go Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The Celtics has predicted would not only reach the NBA Finals.
I said it would be sweeps and gentlemen's sweeps, and
that's exactly what happened, and they did it with that
highly productive big Chris stops porzingis part of this is
the East is the weakest it's been in forever. But
the other part is Boston is very offensively deep, they're
(00:50):
usually defensively engaged. They're an excellent team. And this was
one of the easier predictions going into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I can remember where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But I didn't think Luca and the MAVs would beat Minnesota.
I didn't know if they could beat Oklahoma City. And
here they are. Rookie Derek Lively has inserted himself into
this lineup and has been hugely important. I didn't think
a number one ball usage guy who previously had been
a little difficult to play with, Kyrie Irving, temperamental, where's
(01:23):
his head at? It didn't feel like a finals team.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Said last week, Justin Jefferson's on a short list of
two or three receivers, I would back up the Brinks
truck four. And this morning he got a record contract.
And this is an offensive coach who understands his value.
If you go look at wide receiver signings, the big ones,
Davonte Adams, Deebo, Samuel Terry mcclaurin, Cooper Cup, there's almost
(01:52):
no busts. Offensive coaches know how to get the ball
to their playmaker. I liked the signing we thought would
be coming soon. Where Colin was raw, I sort of
semi dismissed JJ Reddick as the Lakers coach, not because
I don't think he's really bright, great broadcaster, podcaster, but
it felt like a fun story, but not like a
(02:14):
realistic one. But reportedly last week the Athletic saying that
he is now assembling a staff, So why wouldn't they
name a coach. They're waiting for the NBA Finals and
for JJ Reddick to stop broadcasting. So I was wrong
on that where Colin was right. I told you I
didn't like the WNBA with Caitlin Clark. I thought they
(02:35):
really screwed up the schedule. Well, she's now played eleven
games in twenty days. The Las Vegas Aces have played
half that. Two other teams have played seven. Could somebody
in the WNBA scheduling office figure it out? You're giving
her the toughest schedule in the league, defensive teams, back
(02:56):
to backs. What's going on? You knew a year ago
she was come into the league and probably would go
in as number one. The last time the WNBA had
a team play eleven games in twenty days, that team
went one and ten. It's just too much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
PFF ranked its rosters last week and they had the
Chargers at twenty six, below the Saints, Titans, and Raiders.
I know they're wide receiver light, but twenty six you're
getting around New England Patriots territory. They've got a star quarterback,
a star left tackle, two star edge rushers twenty six
(03:43):
Am I an la Homer or what maybe I am?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The Miami Dolphins paid not only Tyreek Hill Jalen Waddle
EIGHTYFA eighty five million dollars last week. This is my
belief is that they're gonna pay players, but they're not
going to let two of manipulate them and get into
the fifty five sixty million a year. And the way
to do that is pay two of his weapons. You'll
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have to have money for a left tackle, an edge rusher,
a top corner. So this to me is the Dolphin
sending a message, we like you, but we think with
this coach and these weapons, we can win with a
lot of quarterbacks, including you, but not exclusively you. Where
(04:30):
Colin was right Sean Peyton again last week discussing bow Nicks,
the rookie quarterback from Oregon. We thought it was a
perfect fit. Peyton and bow here's the coach.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
All three of them are doing well. You know, specifically
to bow he's doing really well. He's picking it up,
there's a lot that's going in. He's throwing the ball
extremely well.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Where Colin was raw I may beat up on New
York Sports teams. But the Yankees look phenomenal. Aaron Judge
is on a heater. They lead baseball in home runs.
They have the best er in baseball. Soto and Judge
are top two in ops. New York teams tend to
waste money and be poorly run. I don't always love
(05:24):
the John Carlos Stanton contract, but this is a real team,
power pitching, power hitting.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They deserve the credit where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Matt Eberflus echoed sentiments that we have that Caleb Williams
is actually well suited for hard knocks by the way
he played in La Lincoln Riley's high profile. The buzz
around Caleb is generating major networks to schedule games. He
got four or five National TV games. This is what
(05:57):
we said about it. He's gonna in Chicago, and it's
not gonna look or feel like Justin Fields, who was
a middling prospect. This isn't Andrew Luck, This is an Lway,
this is a Marino, this is a Peyton Manning. It's
a whole different ballgame. He is a franchised tilter and
(06:18):
you are already seeing it. Iber Flu says, we don't
have any concerns his personality is built for hard Knocked
Chicago and to be a star in the NFL. Where
Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
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Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh, here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
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I love days like today. A sports story becomes a
social story, a cultural story. Try to sort it out
(07:01):
as men lose their minds Nick Right one hour from now,
j Mac Yesterday, the sports world mostly men, overwhelmingly men,
ESBN hosts, others. Editorial boards lost their mind. They don't
know how to cover Caitlin Clark of the WNBA. So
(07:23):
I'm gonna I'm gonna try to help help them out. Please,
I'll be the consultant on this. So uh. The Chicago
Tribune editorial board defended Caitlin Clark and said that a
hard foul on her. They likened it to an assault.
If this wasn't sports, it would be an assault. No,
(07:44):
it would be a flagrant foul, which the sport penalizes
through free throws. Oh boy, guys, here's the here's the
ultimate respect that you can give Caitlin Clark. Treat her
like a pro athlet because that's what she is with
a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal. She's tough and
(08:06):
she's competitive, so is Angel Reese. Stop pandering, stop coddling,
start stop protecting. WNBA players are pro athletes. We got
a lot of pro leagues all over the world. They're
pro athletes. Now I hear this pushback, Well, how come
you guys didn't cover us before Caitlin Clark because you
(08:26):
weren't that popular. I don't cover hockey because the average
sports fan can't name three players. I don't cover regular
season baseball much. I don't cover college basketball, men's or
women's much before March. I'm in the omelet business. I'm
not in the egg business. You need to be made
before I talk about you. It's not my job to
(08:46):
make you popular, So I will push back on you.
Didn't talk about you. I didn't talk much golf until
Tiger Woods arrived. This league needed a catalyst. WNBA got
better and better and better, and so women's basketball. I've
talked about this for fifteen years. It's the most improved
sport in my lifetime. More young women, multiple generations are
(09:09):
encouraged now to get into sports, and basketball has taken off.
The league just needed a catalyst and they got it
and now we talk about it. But let's stop treating
these pro athletes more like the women part instead of
the pro athlete part. Caitlin Clark is acknowledged she played
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with boys. She's rough, she can be intimidating. There's footage
on the Internet of her shoving college players on the floor.
There is also a racial component in this with her
and Angel Reevees and Kennedy Carter that's undeniable. But she's
become a screen that everybody is projecting what they want
her to be instead of what she is. Tough as nails,
(09:55):
great professional athlete, and let's not be pandering and cringe
and weird. Just treat her like a pro basketball player.
She's got a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal, four
or five national endorsements. She's gonna be fine. And I
loved I loved Kennedy Carter, you know, the one that
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assaulted her. I loved her pushback on this entire situation.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
At the end of the day, it's all love outside
of basketball. Well, we're in those core lines. It's smoke
after it's all love. I promise we're a genuine team,
We're a genuine person. We're not We didn't hit her
like she was out on the street. It just happened
like it's over with. I don't know what we're dragging it,
but we could see you to jag a blake. That happened,
and a whole fourth quarter happened after that. Multiple events
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happened after that guy. So we just got to let
that play go.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
These women are not fragile. Some of you men who
are covering them are Phil Knight opening manifesto at Nike.
He wrote ten things when he started the company, and
number nine is my favorite. It won't be pretty. The
WNBA is exploding in popularity, and it's going to be turbulent,
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like a tech business, a media business. Whenever anything goes
from semi noticeable to really popular, it's turbulent. You see
it with individuals in the entertainment business. Now you're seeing
it with a league. It's a little turbulent. It's a
quickly ascending business and they're never pretty and they're going
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through their ugly stage right here with the media doesn't
know what to ask and it's cringey and it's assault
and they're defending it. But I love Angel Rehaese coming out.
Her and Caitlin Clark go back to college, and she
gets it. She understands what I talked about yesterday. She's
willing to play the villain. There are no great movies
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without conflict. The more conflict, the more villains, the better
the script, the better the streaming movie. And here's Angel
Reese on this entire period we're going through with the
WNBA and Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It all started from the National Championship game and I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding,
like yet negative things have probably been said about me,
But honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is.
People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think
that we talked about women's basketball. People are pulling up
to games. We got celebrities coming to games, soda aut arenas,
like just because of one single game, and just looking
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at that like, I'll take that role. I'll take the
bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on
and be that for my teammates. And if I want
to be that, and I know I'll go down in history.
I'll look back in twenty years and be like, yeah,
the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just
because of one person. It's because of me too. And
I want you to realize that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
She's gonna be the villain. She's gonna be the Draymond Green. Now,
Caitlyn Clark. Maybe she has the potential to be the
star that's scoring all the points. But there's always somebody
who makes movies and sports in a seven game series
in March madness more compelling. I love the fact is
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this sport explodes and nobody in the media quite knows
how to handle it. Mostly guys, we're not quite sure
how to handle it. At WNBA, you got players saying
it's all love.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
In the street. You got another one saying I'll be
the villain. Kayln Clark said, yeah, it's no big deal.
I got knocked out all the time I've pushed people.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're not fragile.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
We are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
They're tough, they're defiant, They're gonna be fine, Embrace them,
have a good time. They're pro athletes. Kaylin Clark doesn't
mind getting pushed down. She'll push right back, She'll get
free throws. Angel Reese, I'll be the villain. Kennedy Carter, Well,
you guys talking about it still, we moved on. It's
all love. You understand what's happening here. These pro athletes
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get it. We're struggling to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
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Speaker 1 (14:49):
All right, let's get to a you rod. This is
going to be We might as well have the National
American League All Star Game. We talked about it yesterday.
The Yankees and Dodgers don't even have like Garrett Coolest
bat Kershaw's not there dominating teams they play this weekend
A rod Alex Rodriguez twenty two years in the sport
block sports joining us.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It is nuts.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So you've done this before, You've come to a team.
There's a lot of pressure and there's a lot of
Otani goes to the Dodgers. He's got that thing he's
dealing with, yet he's been amazing. Soto goes with the Yankees.
A lot of pressure for soda. They're both just lighting
it up. Are you surprised with the added pressure in
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big markets La?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
New York?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Both undeterred, unbothered, crushing it in your one.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
Hey, Colin, No, I'm not surprised. I mean, these are
two of the best athletes, not only in baseball but
in all of sports. And the only Sodo comparison that
I have is I remember in ninety two or ninety
three when Barry Bonds arrived in San Francisco and forever
he converted that franchise. Yeah, you know for the next
ten or plus years is one of the places to be.
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How to stick it around and one Sodo simply the
best hitter in baseball playing for the best team for
the number one market in baseball. But there's addition of
pressure because unlike Otani, who has about a decade ago
plus in the Dodgers, this is Soto's first year in
New York and maybe his last. And I think that
adds an incredible amount of pressure to this season for
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the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, Aaron Judge is I mean, I've said this before.
He's got almost a Babe Ruth quality. He does. He
looks like a defensive end in the NFL. And if
you look at the history of New York, many of
the most successful stars Jeter e. Lion, Aaron Judge, they
grow with the market. They're not stars day one. They
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grow with the market. You came in as a star, right,
you came in big. Was there a moment with Aaron Judge?
Did you know for did you know for years ago,
three years ago? Did you know initially, Yeah, that's gonna work,
that's going to be a start. Did you see qualities
early besides his obvious size?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
What what you.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Saw was a young man that was six foot seven,
two hundred and eighty two pounds, you know, less than
ten percent body fat and is an absolute specimen. And
how lucky are we that he chose baseball over football
because he had Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State all coming
after him. And he's a tremendous, tremendous young man. He
is like Derek Jeter there. He's a prototypical New York guy,
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Madison Avenue, likable, great parents, educators all around his family.
You know, he's married to his junior high sweetheart. I mean, Colin.
If you can just make up the perfect New York
Madison Avenue player is Aaron Judge. This is the kind
of player that George Steinbrenner would have just been madly
in love with.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's is it? Is it hard? He's a good
looking kid. Is it hard to stay out of? I
shouldn't say trouble, but it is. There's so many things
in New York. It's just it's one of those like
La is different, Alex, La is so spread out. You
go to Malibu, you hide from everybody New York. You're
on an island. It's just Broadway, Nicks, Yankees. It can
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didn't were there times in New York where you felt
like I'm just being engulfed by all this.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
I mean, and New York's the greatest city in the world.
I tell you, Sometimes you feel like you're in the
middle of the circus, and sometimes you feel like you're
the clown that everybody's looking at. It's hard to get
away with it. To your point about La, there's a
lot of ways where you can get away New York.
There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. I think one
of the things that helped Aaron Judge is number one.
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I think the front office, the coaching staff have done
a tremendous job developing him. He wasn't rushed, I thought
getting to the big leagues, you know, at daye of
twenty four to twenty five, where he was more mature, helped.
And being in New York from day one gave him
a runway to really prepare for the bright lights of
New York City. And of course having tremendous parents and DNA.
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This guy's just a tremendous human being.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So yesterday we said, just to give people an example
of how stacked these teams are, we took the Dodgers
and the Yankees and we said, if we did a
batting order today, Mooki would lead off, we'd play him
at second. This it's so stacked when you combine these
two that we had Sodo batting second, Otani third, Aaron
Freddie Freeman, John Carlos, Stanton, will Smith. We got Max
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Munsei at nine, who had thirty six hovers last year.
It is it is interesting to watch it. Are you
concerned at all when you look at a team like
the Dodgers or the Yankees that they could become home
run dependent? And historically alex home run leaders don't win
the World Series. It's situational baseball, it's late inning pitching.
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Are you concerned at all that these teams are home
run dependent?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
No, I'm not. I was totally concerned about the Yankees
last year in whether home run or There was a
number of games where they had a lineup with nine
right handed hitters, which is unheard of for the New
York Yankees and their history. Both these teams have complete
offensive packages. They can hit for power, they can hit
it in the clutch, they can take it pitching. They're
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both very high on their walks, so they have ego
eye at the play and they can beat you so
many ways and look Soto has completely changed the whole
fabric of this team. And you look at the ripple
effect and how well Aaron Judge is playing, Vope's developing,
and Stanton's like a different guy because you have a righty,
lefty righty dynamic in which you have a lot of
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favorable lineup matchups, especially in the middle of the game
when you face the belly of the opposition's bullpen.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So the Phillies and the Mets are in London Saturday,
twelve thirty Eastern on Fox. I've said this before. I
don't know what it is, and I've never considered baseball
to be a home field advantage, although I did think
Old Yankee Stadium intimidated teams. You get into late innings.
It felt the ghost, It felt big. It wasn't just
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rickety enough that it just it felt like it was
just turbulent as the fans were going nuts. But I
watched Bryce Harper and I watched the Phillies, and it
does feel like they feed off they feed off their fans.
Your thoughts on as you look at Bryce Harper, I
think he's delivered on all the hype I do. I
think he's I think he's a rock star. I think
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he connects with cities. I think he's productive at this
point in his career. How would you describe Bryce Harper's
journey where he is currently in the Phillies.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
He's one of my favorite players. I mean Bryce Harper
simply one of my favorite players, not in just generation,
but at all generations. He's an old schooler. I mean,
he's a guy they're gonna play with Pete Rose and
Larry Bowa and Steve Carlton and in many others in
that generation. But it's hard to believe that this kid
was in the cover of Sports Illustrated as a fifteen
or sixteen year old colin and you fast forward fifteen
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years and he's actually outperformed his incredible ceiling. He's been
better than advertised. And and there's probably a handful of
people over the last hundred years that I've had expectations
that high, whether that's Kobe Bryant, whether there's Lebron James,
whether that's the way that I came up as a
first pick. And he's one of the few that's been
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able to be better than advertised. And he is truly
I can't believe, I'm gonna say it is underpaid and
is a great, great contract for the Philadelphia affilities, and
he's a perfect match for that great city and there's
that great fan base.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So there's three or four teams that can mash it.
The Yankees Dodgers have like really really good lineups. But
there is something that there's I'd look at this because
I used to look at this as a kid, so
I still look at it. There's a lot of teams
hitting under like two thirty nine, and then there's a
handful of teams and the Yankees Dodgers them that are
mashing it. They can hit. Is this more about I
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don't recall a time in my life whether we're more
six or five guys throwing one oh one? Is it
just a matter of the athletes are bigger, the sport's
more global, more guys throw hard. We're going to more
relief pitchers. So the guy in the fifth six to
seventh then all throws ninety eight. Is that just symptomatic
of what the sport is, which is there's so many
great arms. It takes an errand judge or a Freeman
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or a Mookie to get hits consistently. It's just too
hard anymore.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Yeah, But you know, I think the pendulum sometimes goes
way too far to the right. And you've seen the Yankees.
To oversimplify why the Yankees are one of the best
team in baseball and last year they were one of
the worst. Just look at their starting pitching. Starting pitching
is back the top five teams in baseball. They have
the top five starting pitchers that can go long into games.
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Is not just I want to throw every pitch as
hard as ponsible and if I pitch two and a
third that's quality start. That's a bunch of nonsense. So
that pendulum is kind of swinging back. The other thing
that the Yankees have done a tremendous job, and this
is really a microcosm of what I think you're going
to see in the future, is they've brought back baseball players,
not just put the iPads away, but bring the stick.
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Michaels Jane Michael, the great executive for Yankees for many,
many years. He liked players that can hit from both
sides of the play, that can make contact, big strong athletes.
And then they've brought back coaching baseball people back into
that dugout with Pat Wrestler. They've brought back people that
can teach the game. And this is the best coaching
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staff the Yankees have had since the championship year in
two thousand and nine. And I also think it is
one of the main reasons why they've turned it around with.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
All the stuff that Otani went through. He's got such
a unique personality. I said before I kind of defended him.
I said, you know, he comes into another country, he's
got language barriers. He moves up the interstate, angels to
the his life is big, and he's a rock star
in two countries. Give this kid a break. It is
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kind of fascinating in a weird way. This is odd
that he has a language barrier actually helps him because
right like, it does give him a buffer with the
media a little bit. But I am surprised that he
wasn't at least a little bit emotionally engulfed by what
he went through. Are you a little surprised. I don't
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think he's guilty. I don't know, but it's he's like,
not stubbed his toe for me. I mean, he's on fire.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
The guy's amazing. Colin. Look, I mean, look, Otani is
a national treasure. There's no question about it. I just
wish that when I went through all my controversy, I
was playing for the Tokyo Giants, and now than he again,
that hurts. But look, I think he handled it beautifully.
I thought Rob Manford in the league investigated quickly, they
got to an answer, they were resolute, and they moved on.
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And I could not think of what a disaster I
would be if I was playing out in Brazil, or
playing for Tokyo, or playing in Korea or playing anywhere.
It would just be very, very challenging. And the way
he makes it look Colin, it's not only impressive, but
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, all right, Alex Trodriguez. Three game series starts tomorrow Saturday,
Anton Fox London game Phillies Mets. By the way, it
is interesting that in New York City one team loads
up the lineup and they can handle the stress the Yankees.
Last year, the Mets did it and they folded like
a deck chair. There is something, there's a vibeer of
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culture about the Mets. How do you I mean the
Podres last year had all these great players couldn't handle it.
There is something I don't know what it is about
the Yankees and the Mets. The pressure. The Yankees tend
to historically feed off it, the Mets fold off it.
Explain it to me, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
I don't know if there's an explanation, but certainly one
team is they're in two separate elevators. One one is
going to the penthouse, the other one is going to
the basement. And if you think about the year two thousand,
it was so crazy that they were both great. They
both went to the World Series in the Subway Series,
but that's kind of an anomaly. I do think that
the Mets will reset. I think Steve Cohen has tremendous resources.
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He will put the right people in place. But they
got to think about rebuilding this team, and the New
York Yankees basically gave you a floor plan right on
how to get it back. And I think, so who's
going to be a very pertinent conversation to be had
this offseason. I think Steve Cohen's going to go for
him very, very aggressively, and that'll be a twofold win, right,
and they can put him on the Mats and take
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them away from the Yankees and then start building your
team around great starting pitching, young starting pitching, draft picks,
defense and athleticism, and I think the Mets could be
on track in the next few years.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Alex is always good seeing you. Appreciate you giving us
time today. Thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
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Speaker 1 (28:01):
Jim Jackson, We're gonna have to take that conversation on
the air of Actually it's.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
The best conversation. It's all about cigars.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
If anybody knows me, they know, Okay, where's Jimmy, He's
at a cigar bar.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He's somewhere smoking again, and great people in cigar bar.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
It is some of the best people ever met my life.
Didn't think I had a commonality with somebody because you
sit down and maybe their businessmen or they work somewhere
else whatever. But then you start smoking a cigar, It's like, okay,
what kind of cigar are you smoking? You start talking
about that. Then you start talking about family business. What
do you do next? You know, you find a lot
in common. So it's and it's grown folks uff. Really
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you know what I mean? It really is you got
to sit and talk and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, You don't have to talk me into it.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
It took you some time, though, you evolved into the
cigar smoker that you.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Thank you. I have your admiration. So speaking of Lakers
would smoke a cigar if they could land Dan Hurley?
Do you think he takes it? Should he take it?
Speaker 9 (29:00):
With the changing landscape of college basketball, it's so difficult.
I think Jay Wright was a precursor to a lot
of things. I think he saw a lot coming early
in regards to what with regards to the transfer a
portal where nil was going to pay for play, and
not that they don't want to coach, but now you're
basically coaching.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Pro You're a capologist.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
You are because now in college you got to figure
out the best recruiting for college coaches now is retention
of your own players of how to keep them. And
that means that now you're going to have to raise
money to overpay to keep a player that's probably distruntal
and not as patient. And now you're got to still
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deal with the bureaucracies of the NCAA, also with board members,
also with alumni, also with you know, raising money, you
might as well go to the league, you might as
well go to the to the NBA or professional sports
because a lot of the back noise you don't have
to deal with as you do in college. When you're
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a college coach, you know what it, especially at a
major university, you're like a CEO.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
You're running everything.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
So some of these guys are just if I'm gonna
pay people, I'd rather be a pro coach.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Yeah, mine as well.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I mean, because the lifestyle is a lot better, is
a lot different.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, you've done Yukon games.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Just I mean, I love Dan.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
I love from a x's and o's from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
He's a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
I actually I played against Danny when he was at
Seton Hall my junior year. He was a sophomore. Bobby,
his brother, is the same age as me. We came
out of high school together in eighty nine. But I
love his mind as a coach. Now, the flip side
is that is that he's a fiery individual, like his mom,
like his father, like his brother, like the they bark.
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The transition to be able to do that in the NBA,
especially with a veteran team, that's the challenge because you
just can't turn that switch off. He's fiery, and it
works for a reason. It's a reason why his players
respond to that. So I don't worry about the ex's
and I don't worry about basketball and putting basketball people
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around Dan. It's that other side of it that could
be a little tenuous, especially at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
So Jim, let me throw this at you. I said
this yesterday. Is the Lakers were in this market and
for twenty years there was no NFL team here. They
owned it, and the Dodgers were good, but they weren't
winning World Series titles, and the Lakers were winning. They
owned the newspapers, they owned talk radio in LA. It
would be like the Yankees without the giants of the Jets.
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And they got arrogant and they're not patient. And my
thing is, now, this is a draft and develop league,
the new CBA. You can't have three stars. It doesn't
work that way. Boston's like an outlier. My take is,
are the Lakers built for Hurley, which is Wagner, Rhode Island,
Yukon take about three years to get us going. Are
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they built for that?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
The history will tell you no, no. And good friend
of mine.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Antonio Daniels, who I love him, is the color analyst
for the Pelicans. Yeah, he uses this when he talks
about the Lakers, and I think it's spot on organizational arrogance.
From this perspective, is that because the things that you
said about the Lakers for so long, and I was
a part of organization briefly, that we are the Lakers,
you should be honored and proviuged to come here. Rob
(32:30):
Polink is a great friend of mine. Rob was with
the Five five when I was into state. Great unbelievable,
but they do have a sense that we're doing you
a favor by bringing you here. You remember when when
tdy Lou was offered the job where they were interviewing, well, listen,
at the time, a five year deal was standing there
for a guy that won a championship. Okay, they offered
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him three years and wanted to pick his coaching staff.
He's like, oh, I've won this, But in the backdrop
was Frank Vogel, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
I'll take I'll take the three years. Darvin Ham.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
You bring a first year coach, second year coach in
with championship aspirations, understanding that there's a learning curve that
has to be there, So your patience is not there
now Internally if some other things happen, I don't know
what is there to change now.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
If you bring in.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Whether that's JJ Reddick or a Dan Hurley, their championship
window is now. So what happens if it doesn't happen
after next year? Lebron is on the back end of
an extension. You got to figure out what you want
to do with ad Is it okay championship or bus
year two? And if it doesn't happen, we blow it up.
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But we keep the coach and let him grow or
do we search again? Because stability is one thing that
you need Colin you know that to win.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But I think people think the NBA is a mobile league.
Take Lebron out. It doesn't work the.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Time now, especially when listen, what are the things people
talk about. When I was in Dallas, they said, well,
why didn't the matterge work? It's Tony Braxon stuff this
word this.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
I said, let me tell you something.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
I was there five years, five and a half years.
I had four coaches and three owners in that time period.
So you tell me, do you think we establish any
kind of continuity, any kind of mantra of who we
are as a team and as an organization.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
We had none of that.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
So how do you expect from a Lakers perspective if
you're changing who sits in that pilot seat every couple
of years. I mean, philosophy changed, defensive schemes changed everything.
And now you're a coach too, when you really don't
have control of your roster either on whose.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
They players can smell it, Oh, big time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
They know when you're in they know when you're in trouble.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
So's It's one of those things. Man, that's as great
as an organization. And that's the that's when you're the Yankees,
when you're the Celtics, when you're the you know, Red Sox.
You deal with these issues because of expectations every year.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, good stuff. I'll get to the finals. I want
to go. Caitlin Clark I have said, listen, she's okay
with it. We don't know how to handle it. She's
not fragile, and the media we're kind of fragile. It's
just really hard to go every sport. Bryce Harper spent
time in the minors. Yeah, Alex Rodriguez spent two years
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in the miners in Tacoma. Like basically, Caitlyn gets drafted,
they give her a jersey. An hour later, they blow
a whistle, go play. She's not She's getting pushed around.
So like my thing is everybody, she's gonna be fine.
There's a racial component, there's a gender component. We don't
like to see girls pushed and picked on them, just
to you know, I was saying this early. We didn't
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let women box in the Olympics till twenty twelve. Yeah,
you know, we were protective. So some of this is
just like, well, we're not We're.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay with guys getting picked on.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We are Joe Burrow getting hit late.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Ye, we'll go with some of that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
We don't like this, which I think right speaks well.
But I think she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
She is.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I mean, the right to passage, right, the right to passage.
You think Norm Nixon was happy when Magic Johnson came in. Seriously,
I mean it's when Michael Jordan came in. He had
his detractors. It goes down the list with men in
with with regards to the right to passage, football, baseball, basketball, hockey.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
You know, it's a proven thing.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
Now it happens in basketball too. Kandas Parker had her
share when she came into the w NBA because she
was a star, and she was a star. Now that
not only is she was NBA Rookie the Year and
also won MVP. Yeah, I mean she's one of the greatest.
She's one of the greatest players ever. The dynamic see
everything is timing with Kate mc clark. Because college basketball,
(36:52):
I'm able to follow and see the dynamic.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, you're one of the few people that there's college
m pro. You did a bunch of you come.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Down, listen the dynamic. People think, well, you weren't talking
about kick and Carr.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Yes, you were.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
You just didn't pay attention to it. You didn't pay
attention to what was happening in the landscape. But she
was doing this before the National Championship Game. For people
in college that really followed it. The challenge is now
that you go to the WNBA, who has been growing,
and those who followed the game understand that the league
(37:25):
has been great for a long time.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
It did just happen.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, the quality of play, the quality plays. She's the star, which,
by the way, Connor McGregor was to the UFC. But
the UFC over ten years was getting better fights, better cards,
better fighters, and then Connor just made it explode.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
But the timing was right.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Connor was the right person at the right time for
the right product. And what people don't understand is that
as good as Angel Reese is, her story is a
lot different than Caitlyn'. Caitlin's story sells to Middle America,
to the East coast, or the West coast, to the.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
South, classic Midwest under yeah, that's a story.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
So many times you don't have to be the best player,
but your story is a lot better and more intriguing.
So now you're drawing more eyes. That's not making it right,
wrong or indifferent. That's not saying she's better than Angel
Reese or whoever. That's that's that's irrelevant. What's relevant as
the story and the timing and the challenge for the
(38:28):
w n b A is accepting what comes with that
with with.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Her start with Conor McGregor, With Connor.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
McGregor, it's gonna be lights and dislikes. But now you've
got more eyes on the TV and you're gonna get
You're gonna that adds more criticism too. Sure, the thing
I think that the w n B A and and
to to their credit, they're like, listen to a lot
of people now is just coming on board and want
to say stuffing you haven't been following.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
But that's what happens. It happens with every sport.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Casual listen, you think I'm a minority perspective with the
eyes on PGA when Tiger came, Then all of a sudden,
the casual fan came in became golf experts when Tiger
came because his story was so phenomenal. You have people
that really didn't watch Saturday, Sunday or even Friday golf.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
But it's the same. It's the same thing.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
Here in regards to the new eyes and now you've
got more opinions.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, Sometimes the story isn't the best player. Baker Mayfield
for a year was the story in the NFL number
one pick. Rash Cocky won the best player, but he
was a story.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
He was a story.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He was on nine commercials as a rookie.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Well, people can follow that, they can buy into it
and listen. Steph Curry wasn't the best player, but his
story for Davidson and growing and this wild okay, is.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
He a better player than Lebron James. No, but his
story of how he got to.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Where he's at and what changed is a a is
very intrigued.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, Steph is the only basketball player my son wasn't
a big athlete that like he liked. He was small,
he was thin. My son's Oh, I could be that
the best stories not always the best player. It just
certain athletes and politicians make us feels connectivity, right, connectivity.
Let's talk finally the finals. Sometimes I picked Denver Celtics Finals,
(40:25):
but Minnesota's GM formerly Denver Minnesota to beat Denver. I
think Denver would have clobber Dallas. I don't think they
matched up. So now I watch a Dallas team that's hot,
but flawed, very offensively, lobsided, very much about two guys
I watched last night and I thought hell Tatum didn't
(40:46):
play great and they still rolled them.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Is it possible that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Dallas got a huge break that Minnesota knocked out the
team that would have beaten the Denver They matched up
very well with Minnesota in Dallas maybe a little over
one in this series. They just don't have all the
pieces to defend all of Boston shooters.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
But isn't that what happens in sports?
Speaker 9 (41:07):
Soo, because that's the beauty about the playoffs and the
regular season. And think about this too, how seting matters.
At the end of the season. Denver wins a few
more games, maybe they're a higher seed than Minnesota, and
things work.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Out different seven, I mean, things work out.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Maybe it's not. Okay, see at the top, but that's
how it works out.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
The only thing you can do as a team is
prepare yourself to win and play whoever's in front of you. Okay,
whatever happens in the other series you can't control now.
But we all get down to it when you get
to hear it's all about matchups. Denver is a better
matchup for probably in the long run, for Boston, but
(41:52):
Minnesota was a better matchup to beat Denver. Okay, So
that's how this thing circulates. Now when you look at
Boston playing the MAVs, the advantage Dallas had against one
of the best defensive teams in the league was that
it was a.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Rim protecting team.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
This is a defending again, Antonio O'Daniel says, this defensive versatility.
What would you rather have a rim protector or five
guys that can guard over the corner.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
That's the Celtics a little bit of that too, but
they weren't mature enough choose to stay fundamental.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's right, So okase, he's a younger, less mature, less
refined Boston exactly.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Think about Minnesota's like this. It's like little things.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
So everybody is saying, what Rudy Gobert the drop coverage,
the lob passes.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Well, guess what, Boston played some drop coverage.
Speaker 9 (42:45):
But they were disciplined enough not to inch in on
the baseline and give up that corner three where you
know Anthony Edwards and Alexander something withou inch in and
bite for Luca and bite for Kyrie for that floater
and then they spread out to the corner. If you notice,
it wasn't a lot of open corner threes for the MAVs.
(43:08):
Boston's game plan, Okay, we're gonna drop coverage. We're gonna
force Kyrie and Luca to make tough twos. We don't
care if you make two point shots. You make two
point shots. We want to eliminate those corner threes. And
then on offense, what we have the advantage is, Okay,
where's Luca he's over there. Put him in this pick
and roll. We're going at him. Oh you want to switch,
(43:28):
bringing back, We're gonna attack, force you to help rotate,
attack again, force you to rotate. Then we're gonna get shots.
And that's what you saw last night from Boston.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Beautiful thing. You're gonna have a cigar tonight.
Speaker 9 (43:42):
Let me see, let me see and work out in
about an hour, I would say about.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
Three thirty afternoon.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Cigars are the best.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
What a little come on, we gotta have a little
double espresso.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh, it's like being in Florence, Italy.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
Speaking of which I think a man envision that him.
I'm gonna bring that to fruition.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Have you ever been to Florence?
Speaker 6 (44:04):
Pizza baby walking with a cigar? Man, talk to me,
j Max.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
You should come. And it's a real life.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
It's real. He's a real one. Here.
Speaker 9 (44:14):
Stop stop whooping, j Ma. Just put the ball up, bro,
come on over to the grown folks.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
He's a real one. It's a real life. And that
nonsense you're shooting checking up people.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Man. I'm like, man, stop it, man.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
All right, we're just going to take a break and
go to your We don't need her line So let's
go to your uh, what do you call it, your
headline thing. We don't really need nothing against your updates.
They're very fantastic, but Jim philled a scillating I'm more
than happy.
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