June 12, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin reflects on the incredible life and legacy of Jerry West
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live
in Los Angeles. It is the Hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day on a sad day. A somber tone
to start our show for the first five or six minutes.
The greatest basketball executive of all time, Jerry West, has
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passed away. An incredible, almost singular career. Jmax joining me
as well Rick yeukernin now to talk about this. It's
hard to he had so many successes. He was almost
a basketball whisper, even to the end in the last
seven eight years. If you had a basketball dilemma, called
Jerry weft and that's what we start our show today.
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He was so many things. He was an all time
great player who became the logo you don't just make
any player the logo. No other player in our major
sports had ever been considered to be the logo. He
was a generationally unique eighties, nineties, two thousands. He was
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a respected basketball voice. He was the architect of three dynasties.
And he was a relentless personality. You've seen that in
the documentary, You've read that in books, because he understood
what greatness looked like and he was not willing to
sacrifice anything to get there. He also had a well
documented tough bordering on brutal childhood, and it always felt
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like along the way he was a bit tortured. Even
the way the Lakers relationship ended wasn't perfect. Jerry was
almost singular in his greatness. He was arguably the first
great guard in the NBA, mister Clutch. He very quickly
established himself as almost a Spengali, a guru of basketball talent. Yes,
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you know about Shaq and Kobe, and you know about
Kareem and Magic, but do you realize how big he
was in the Warriors dynasty as he aged. I always
say you can tell a lot about a man when
he goes past perhaps his prime years. You look at him,
you listen to him. Has he been willing to acknowledge issues, grow, evolve.
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That was Jerry West. He was the one that told
them move off Monte Ellis, embrace Steph Curry and go
get Andrew Boget. You need size. He was the one
that told them, I will resign if you move off KLAYE.
Thompson for Kevin Love, and at the time Kevin Love
was the better player. He was the one that whispered
in Kd's ear, you'll get better shots there than you
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do in Oklahoma City. The architect of three dynasties and arguably,
outside of the Bulls, the three best dynasties ever. He
knew basketball. He loved basketball. He was great at basketball.
The best way I could describe Jerry West as a
guard and as an executive, he didn't miss much. Here's
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Jerry on our show years ago as the greatest executive
talking about probably the greatest player, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
If you watched him go anywhere, he was like the
pied fighter. You could not keep people away from him.
He just had that incredible charisma. But when he played,
every night he played, he was not going to take
a night at all. I love Michael Jordan. I absolutely
love Michael Jeordan. He just he's the best. He's the
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best athlete I've ever seen in basketball. People are going
to make comparisons. But I wonder today, with the rules
having changed today, you can't handcheck, you can't touch anyone,
you can walk all over the place, you can carry
the basketball over the place. And this is the evolution
of the game. If he could have added that to
his game, my goodness, what would we see today.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It tells you a lot about Jerry West is that
the greatest current players, his contemporaries, his peers, all generations.
When Jerry walked into a room, they stopped talking and
they listened. It was sometimes combative with the Lakers. There's
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a lot of egos, a lot of brain power, a
lot of greatness in Los Angeles, and it didn't end
well with the Lakers. But Jerry has to be seen
as almost singularly a unique all time player and exactutive.
Rest in peace to mister Clutch the logo all Right.
Things a bit bumpy in New York with the Jets,
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so Aaron Rodgers didn't show up for day one of
mini camp. Now through the years, I've said, and I
believe this, there's too much football practice. Sean McVeigh came
to the Rams with a different sensibility and said, let's
lighten up practice and let's not play any of our
starters in the preseason. People scoffed, rolled their eyes. They
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won't be ready for the opener they started the year eight. No,
it doesn't bother me that much that Aaron Rodgers missed
a day of mini camp, although Diana Russini says reporter,
he now will miss the entire camp. Okay, So why
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was it so clunky when his head coach Robert Salla
went to the podium a couple days ago to talk
about his absence on day one.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Aaron and I spoke before otia started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated him an event.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's missing the entire camp? Is it jury duty? Is
it a sales conference? Coachella still going on? Events don't
last a week, So that's real fuzzy. And also, why
did Robert Sala have to say verbally He could have
kept it to himself that it was an unexcused absence.
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My guess is The power dynamic with Aaron Rodgers has
always been a little off. So Sala wants to make
it clear he runs the team and not Aaron. But
it felt a little passive, agreat and like the scolding teacher.
But this is what happens when you give a prickly
rich set in his ways, passive aggressive quarterback coming to
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save the franchise, and you put him with a defensive
coach on the hot seat with an eleven and twenty
three record before Aaron got there, What you get is
a weird power dynamic. Even as great as Brady was,
Belichick ran the show and Tom knewittt Even as great
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as Mahomes is, Andy Reid runs the show, moves off
of Tyreek Hill, and Mahomes knows it. I could argue
the rudderless ship known as the New York Jets need
stronger management, not less intensity and less power and less leverage.
So Sauler really has his hands tied. But they've been
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tied from day one. From the very outset, the power
dynamic here has been off. It's why I didn't buy
him last year. I think they'll be good this year,
but I don't consider him a Super Bowl team too
much of a perpetual weird odd mess, an uneven franchise
that threw a hail Mary to get Aaron, let him
pick the OC who wouldn't have gotten a job as
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an OC anywhere else in the league, had him bring
in Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard, overpaying for Lazard. Cobb
is no longer really a roster player, though he had
a nice career. It's all about the power dynamic, Salah.
When Aaron landed was an unproven, losing record defensive coach
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who had no momentum with an impulsive owner a new GM,
you thought this was gonna work. Aaron in Green Bay
never liked it that he didn't have as much control
as he felt he deserved. Brady never got caught up
in that. He didn't care. He just wanted to win trophies.
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So part of Aaron's personality has always been I want
to say I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. So
none of this is a surprise. The quarterback, the head coach,
the GM. It just feels odd. The power dynamic is off.
You see this often in the NBA, where the star
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runs through coaches. That's a basketball culture thing. It's not
a football culture thing except apparently in New York. But
hybs an event. I was told last night from a source.
I trust Aaron's on vacation and it's overseas. I'm also
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told you'll learn about where he's at tomorrow. Don't want
to burn my source. I'm told you'll learn about it tomorrow.
Maybe he is at an event. Can't believe there's something
overseas that would take seven eight nine days. Again, maybe
they have a music festival. But the point is, don't
be surprised by this. This is sort of what you
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would expect. Impulsive owner, new GM coach with a losing record,
prickly older at times, arrogant, disconnected quarterback in New York
City with a pretty relentless and inarguably massive press corps.
This is what you get j Mac from Missing Day
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One to Missing Mini Camp. I would imagine as somebody
on this show that's a Jets fan. It didn't sit
terribly well with you.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Neck great obviously, if you were in Europe, somebody would
see him. If he were international, somebody would see him.
I wonder Colin, did he get another darkness retreat on
the books, And that's why there's been no reports, nobody's
seen him anywhere. The treehouse that he goes into for
the Darkness retreat just opened up.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And hey, this is your time. You paid for it.
You got to go. I don't know that counts as
an event, right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I was told he's overseas, and I was told
tomorrow people will find out where he was overseas. Now
is he still there? Did he come back to the country.
But it's just it's did Saula have to say unexcused absence?
Don't you just keep that to yourself? Like, isn't that
just poking Aaron? Listen if once you get Aaron in
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the door and you know he can be sensitive, it's
like Kevin Durant, you know when to poke him in
the ribs. Like part of inheriting Aaron is okay. When
you're the Jets, you sit down before Aaron gets there
and you're like, yep, he's talented, he's probably passed his prime.
He's going to be expensive. He can take us to
a different place. You got to coddle him a little.
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That's kind of Aaron's You kind of know that with Aaron.
You got to coddle him a little. You got to
give him the guys he wants. That's just part of
the game with Aaron. But I think going up and
saying it's unexcused and then you have to say he's
at an event. Well, now that puts pressure on Aaron.
People are gonna ask Aaron about what's the event. What
if Aaron doesn't want to talk about the event. It's
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just odd to me. It's more noise than you need.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Unless, of course, he's embracing the attention, wants the attention,
wants everybody talking about him, because we know he's one
of those kind of guys. You got to be talking
about me all the time. I'm Aaron Rodgers, So being
skipping out on camp good way to get people talking.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
About you, Huh. I don't know. It's just that, you
know what I've said before, Aaron's great content. I mean,
he's given me probably six to eight weeks of content
just on him. It doesn't matter where he goes.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Could he give six to eight wins like before Halloween.
That'd be nice, that felt personal.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
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Speaker 1 (12:50):
So Jerry West passed away last night, eighty six years old.
A remarkable career. When you talk about his executive career
from eighty two to eighty eight, this is how powerful
the Lakers were. They've made HBO series and written books
about this. Eighty two to eighty eight, Jerry's the GM,
pat Riley's a coach, and Magic and Kareem are the
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two stars. It was really at that time it was considered,
in my opinion, that was the greatest team of all time.
And then in nineteen ninety six, in a one week period,
Jerry West on July eleventh of ninety six, trades Vlade
for Kobe Bryant and then a week later signed Shack
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as a free agent. Perhaps the greatest week and executives
ever had. Then from ninety nine to two thousand, Jerry's
the GM, Phil Jackson's the head coach, Shaq and Kobe
are the stars. So and then that breaks up, almost
predictably breaks up. I mean Phil Jackson and Jerry were
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rivals as players, Phil and Nick, Jerry a Laker, and
it was a sort of The ninety one finals were
sort of a transition of power between the Phil Jackson
Bulls taking over for Jerry and the dynasty he had created.
And then Jerry ends up at Golden State where he's
a top executive though not the GM but really the
basketball savat in the building, Steve Kerr's coach, and then
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Steph Curry's the best player. So there's an argument to
be made that three of the four great dynasties of
all time, the Warriors and a couple of Lakers only
Michael Jordan, which supplanted Jerry's second dynasty or first one.
I should say the Magic Kareem one. That Jerry had
three of the four great dynasties. He's the architect for
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all of them. Now, pat Riley has since become an
incredible basketball mind. He's probably to me first or second
right behind Jerry all time and as an executive, and
there have been many, many great ones. But I always thought,
when you go look and think about Jerry West, it
is sad of what the Lakers have become. I was
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having a discussion yesterday was somebody who's tied to the league,
and they had said, maybe it is time to protect
Jerry Buss's legacy, to move on and sell the Lakers
to somebody like a Steve Balmer, although he owns the Clippers,
somebody of that net worth and that gravitas, that can
really run it like it deserves, like a top brand
in the history of American sports. So the Phil Jackson
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Jerry West relationship, it was bound not to be a
long term relationship. It worked well for a year or two.
But you just look back at what the Lakers were.
You know, you think of baseball the greatest teams ever.
Even if you're just a baseball casual, you'd have to figure,
like the Yankees have three or four of the best
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five teams of all time. And I would say Jerry
West was the architect and the brains behind three of
the four great basketball dynasties of all time. And do
not forget not just the trade for Kobe or the
move to get Shack as a free agent that you know,
the Golden State tenure. And to the very end, Jerry
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was like a basketball consultant. If you had a dilemma,
you went and you asked Jerry West, who passed away
again at eighty six years old. He was doing now
some consulting stuff. The Clippers announced that passing this morning,
and here's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No news, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Let's go to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Sean Payton's first year with the Broncos did not go well,
and when eight and nine missed the playoffs, a lot
of criticism ended up dumping Russell Wilson. Peyton was asked
if he has a chip on his shoulder due to
the media conversation about his coaching. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I think that I have two middle fingers. I've gotten
better with the age not using him. I don't play
a lot of video games. But you got X amount
of battery, light and energy, and you try to use
it where you think it's uh, it's best going to
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help the team, and so you learn over time to
to not spend as much on the things you can't control.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's a good way to think about it. As the
older you get, the less rabbit holes you should probably
go down and be consumed with stuff you can't control.
That's almost a good mantra for life that would help
when you're young. But I think when you're young it's
almost a badge of honor to get involved in groups
and weird stuff, just experimental living.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The problem with that is Peyton picked bo Nicks. That's
his guy.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And you know, if bo Knicks doesn't look good and
they win like five games, Sean Payton starts next year
on the hot seat.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, it's it's I would I would.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Say this, it's not fair, but that's that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean I I first of all, when you
select the quarterback, you're always in this league on the
hot seat.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
So he's going to be tied to bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, that's his selection.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I mean, unless Zach Wilson emerges as some kind of
new quarterback for him and his lights out, nobody expects
that time.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, and also I think you know, you can say
what you want. Nobody he's got a super Bowl, but
nobody looks at Sean Payton and wonders if he can
coach no reasonable person. So I would push back in
a hot seat. If bow Knicks looks like, Okay, he's
going to be the guy, but struggles because he's a
rookie and rookie struggle, I don't think you're on the
hot seat. It'd be one thing if bo Knicks can't
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play a look he looked like Zach Wilson, what if
he look like Bryce Young, well there's a different conversation.
But I can tell you he won't sixty one college starts.
And also Bryce Young did not have Sean Payton as
a coach. Also, Bryce Young did not have Courtland Sutton.
Bryce Young did not have this offensive line. Bryce Young
would have struggled a little bit in Denver, but Carolina
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had no help. They traded away Dj Moore. So you've
got a number one recis a really good left tackle.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Courtland Sutton's one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think he's really good. I mean, on the market,
he'll generate. They can't give him up because they let
go of Jerry Judy. They moved him. Courtland Sutton's a
really really good Yeah, he's a top twelve receiver, top fifteen.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, if you're top thirty two, you're a one. He's
top thirty two.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Oh, there's thirty two ones in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, I mean he he's the best receiver easily for them,
next to Jerry Judy. He was a much better player
than Jerry Judy, who people think should be a one.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Let's see what Judy does in Cleveland this year.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Fans, I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Okay, all right, fair enough, But listen, there's a reason
the Broncos win total is one of the lowest in
the league.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Vegas doesn't believe in them.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, last year I told you Vegas made a mistake
on the Rams. Vegas is making a mistake on Denver.
They're not a five win team. That is probably as
good at bet as you're going to have.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Again't schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Okay, at Seattle, what do we know about Seattle? Sean
pay against the rookie coach. Okay, Yeah, they were favored
against the Rams at home last year and got no
blown out by the way. Then Pittsburgh at home, what
do we know about that mess?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
That's a winnable game for dinner.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, at at Atlanta, you don't know what. Tampa at
Tampa and Raiders Saints Carolina.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
For the Jets. Actually, you're right.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The schedule early. Raiders are one of the worst teams
in the league. Bucks, nobody really believes it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And by the way, Week eighteen, Kansas City, if they've
got it sealed up, they're not playing Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
So don't bet the under on the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, it's one of the best over bets on the board.
Their early schedule, when you're trying to get Bonick's confidence
and reps, is a lot of nonsense. I mean, just
say it out loud. Geno Smith, Steelers offense, Baker Aaron Rodgers,
and the Jets, Noise Raiders, even Hardball's got a new
team and no no big weapons on the outside. That's
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a viable, winnable game.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Okay, look at it. And they got Carolina on this schedule, and.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
The Saints, I mean, listen, going to go to Baltimore
and win and they're not going to Kansas City in winning.
So those are rails. But everything else on this board,
they have a lot of games like against the Colts
and the Browns and the Steelers that are at home
that are go either way games. They get most of
their go either way games at home.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I think they're a five and a half winter So listen, hey,
you need to put your money where your mouth.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's my best over bet last year the Rams. Yeah,
it really is.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Do you know how hard it is to go five
and twelve?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
No, I'm a winner, so I don't know what that's like.
I have no idea what five and twelve and it looks
like next time.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Russell Wilson left Denver to join the Steelers on a
one year deal this offseason. Listen, it wasn't a good
run in Denver obviously for Russ, but he says he's
hardly feeling his age entering his thirteenth NFL season.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
I just I feel, you know, I feel revived and
never's laying mentally spiritualist.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I feel confident.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Oh, you know, I think at some point you got
to know who you are, you know, as a player,
as a man, as competitor, you know, as somebody who's
been a fortunate toil playing this game. And I don't
doubt it, you know, I really I felt really good
last year playing, you know, I felt really complide in
the midst of everything. And so I think right now
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I have all that confidence text in.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
All Right, we'll see. They'll be interesting. I don't think
they'll be great, but they'll be interesting.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
The haircut there for us, You see the buzz. It
looks like he's going to basic scene.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
A lot of new things going on with Russ.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not feeling this Pittsburgh team.
I know.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Anytime we talk about him on the show. You know,
Pittsburgh has a rabid audience of fans.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
They just come after. Oh, Tomlin's never under five hundred.
You guys are so wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Can we raise our standards in life to We've never
been terrible too, We're excellent. Like, if your whole thing is, hey,
we're never under five hundred, do you want a breath mint?
What do you want from that? Honestly, that's the standard
of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's like the Yankees celebrate a
wild card appearance like we've never been under five hundred. Wow,
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I gotta believe mcbah and Kyle Shanahan have loftier goals
than that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Indeed, the final story is the NBA NBA Finals Game
three tonight, and we've got some weird Kristaps Porzingis drama.
Boston is calling it a rare injury to his left leg,
and he's listed as questionable. I'm not even gonna mention
the injury because it's a bunch of words that are
gobbly goop.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Nobody's gonna understand it.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But it's not the same leg where he had the
cap strain, So now he's got both legs banged up here.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
I love.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Maybe this will keeps the door ajar for the MAVs
to sneak in and make it really.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Like the MAVs tonight. Now, I think Tatum will come
back and play very well. Won't be as nervous now
he can go on the road, not the anxiety of
performing at home as the star. I think Tatum's big tonight.
I think Lively, the young kid, the rookie, gets away
from Boston crowd, gets home, he plays better. I think
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Porzingis probably doesn't play or doesn't play much. I think
the MAVs come out early. I think Dallas wins. I
think they win semi comfortably. I do think Tatum plays well,
but expect Lively to do something tonight. I think Kyrie
and Lively have been affected by the crowd. The Boston
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intensity has affected the rookie and the former Celtic. I
think they both go back and play well tonight.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Porzingis on the court is a plus twenty five in
the series. When he's off the court, it's even. Yeah,
so like he's a big factor on both the Celtics
coming off the bench. He's outscored the MAVs entire bench
in both games.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
No, no, no, he's he is why they call him a unicorn.
It's just his ability to protect the rim. You can
beat him defensively and he can'ts what they call for
corners catch up speed. He has catch up length. Yeah,
so it's he's an absolute factor. He had a great year,
so don't be surprised by this. He was a very
effective player.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Now now he's only being listed as questionable for tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I bet you they keep him out.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
No, keep him out if.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
They fall behind by thirteen fourteen early, because he's coming
off the bench. If he fall if they fall behind
thirteen fourteen, why playing.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I don't know if Dallas can get that kind of
margin with Boston. It threw weird by the way I
saw stat since you mentioned Tatum. He had I believe
twenty nine drives to the basket in Game two, the
most he's ever had in his career.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Twenty nine ruts.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's just taking Luke off the dribble, whoever's guarding him, center, Kyrie.
He's just attacking relentlessly. That's how he ended up with
all those assists. Now, he couldn't finish at the Rami
shot like six and twenty two, but he had double
digit assists because he's driving and kicking.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I don't think Dallas can stop Boston coming.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean, Tatum and Brown are just anytime the shots
down falling, they're just attacking.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
There's Dallas can't stop.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There's a difference between Boston's gonna win the series and
Boston can have an awful Game three first half on
the road. So I'm that's what I'm predicting that Boston
falls behind. It's clunky. They decide in game not to
play Porzengis, Why bring him off the bench. Tatum's playing well,
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nobody else has quite got it. So if you go
to the NBA Champions even Michael Jordan's Bulls had clunkers
on the road. They had a clunker I think against
the Sonics at home in a close out game, like
you great teams.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Three nothing on the Sonics and lost the next two.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, Like, I mean, it's so great. Teams have bad
halfs and bad This is the NBA. Kyrie Irving comes out,
goes eight for nine, Lucas Luca, all of a sudden,
Jalen Brown's off Porzingis, let's not play him, you're down sixteen.
Stuff in these games, you know, the NBA. Now you
can catch up quickly. You can fall into a canyon fast.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Listen, Boston is currently fourteen and two in the playoffs.
Colug Yeah, if they sweep Dallas and go sixteen or two.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We'll have a That's an interesting proposition.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
At Golden State with kd what sixteen and Kobe and
Shaq went fifteen in one because there was only the
five game first round. This would be historic stuff. If
they go sixteen to two, like dominant, they're winning margin.
Remember the fifty point wins this season. I know people
don't want to hear it. If they sweep the mass
this is one of the great runs of all time. Yes,
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And I don't know if people think they're like, oh,
they're not a top five, top ten team ever. They're
more dominant than any eighty Celtics team ever.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And there all the Larry Bird team and there's more
talent in the NBA now than four.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
People are like disrespecting this team, like well, burd never
peeled off nine straight playoff wins.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Remember the NBA. When Durant went to Golden State, the
league did not like that. So the new CBA was
built to avoid that. So I would make the argument
the Celtics aren't all time great. Uh, the talent is
more spread out over the league because that's what the
league wants. They're making it virtually impossible to get a
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third star. So Boston is really good, not great all time,
but the league has great talent, but it's all spread
out to the league. There's only like four teams in
the league. Detroit's one of them. Obviously, there's only about
four teams. You look at and you're like, they got
no players. Houston wasn't good. They got players. Yeah, San
Antonio is not good. They got Wemby. Orlando's not there yet,
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but by next year they could be really interesting. So
the league's got talent everywhere there. You can go ten
years ago, like the bottom six teams were like felt talentless.
That we got teams that are stacked, like the Clippers
that got bounced in the first round.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Remember for Zingis was like a two. Wasn't he a
two in New York? Or he was like a two
in Washington? He's like a three or four with Boss.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
There were Knights, he was a one in Washington.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Drewe Holidays like a three or four and he could
be a two on some teams.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know a lot today. When Chris Middleton got hurt,
he was a two in Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
There's so I don't know how they got stall.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Argued Derek White. They stole him. Derek White on bottom
tier teams is a two in this league.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Yeah, he would have been the second best player on this.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Burdey Sea question. No question, he's the second best winner.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You might have been second best on the Pistons. I
don't even know if they haven't won. But I mean,
Boston is genuinely stabbed.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The league would prefer Boston not happen, that you'd have
a good team and then you'd get poor Zingis and
Drew Holiday, and that they don't want it to be
as lobsided. I don't think we're gonna get a sweet
but if we do, it is an interesting discussion. To
have j Mack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
So I was thinking about this. Aaron Rodgers, according to
Diana Russini, not only miss day one a mini camp,
He's gonna miss all of it for an event which
we're not sure what it is, but how many week
long events are there be that as it may. Aaron
falls into a group of older quarterbacks finding a new team,
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but his feels different the other guys, the other older
quarterbacks that went to a team felt sort of grateful
and they were hyper focused, all in. I mean, Russell
Wilson didn't work, but he was all in, right. I mean,
Peyton Manning goes to Denver, he had four neck surgeries.
He was grateful for a second opportunity and was phenomenal
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and was all in even though physically he wasn't his best.
When Brady went to Tampa, he was doing illegal practices
at Jesuit High School that a local helicopter news vehicle
discovered he was all in. Matt Stafford went to the
Rams so grateful finally having a franchise that was well
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run and mcveigh's brilliance all in. Aaron in New York
has felt a little different, sort of like, hey, you're
lucky to have me. I get Hackett, Alan Lazard and
Cobb made demands. It's one thing when Brady said, give
me Gronk still a great player. It's another if you're
taking players who you forced them to hire that didn't
(32:22):
have really the ability to be hired on the market.
Nathaniel Hackett or really weren't NFL players Randall Cobb, or
you overpay for number three receivers or four receivers Alan Lazard,
I'm okay Brady asking for grong or Leonard Fernett. I
get that. But from the beginning it hasn't been much gratitude.
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It's your lucky to have me, and I would argue
or at least ask you to entertain. The thought is
that Aaron's never really been in terms of football. Maybe
he is in life, but in football he's never come
off as grateful. He was pissed at the NFL coming
into the league because of where he was drafted. He dropped.
He was not happy having to sit behind Rogers for
(33:09):
three years very quickly with Mike McCarthy, didn't appreciate his coaching,
even though McCarthy, to his credit, Green Van Dallas averages
about ten to eleven twelve wins a season. By the way,
unhappy with one of the best front offices in the
NFL in the last twenty years, the Green Bay Packers
and could not form a relationship. Was not grateful for
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Davonte Adams. I mean Brady's like best friends with like
his number four receivers, his Chris Hogan's forget Welker's and
Edelman's and Gronks, Brady's buddies with all of them. Aaron
could not sacrifice a little more time for Davonte Adams.
So it feels like Manning in Denver, Stafford in LA.
(33:52):
You know Brady in Tampa. There was a level of gratitude,
a relentlessness and all in, let's make this work. No
sacrifice is for Aaron. He talks the game, but he's
not walking it. He said this, He said this after
the season ended, and this matters.
Speaker 11 (34:13):
Everything that we do has to have a purpose too.
We step in the building. There's intentionality with everything that
you do. And it's not a half the time thing.
It's not a sometimes thing, it's not a most of
the time thing. It's an every time thing. If you
want to be a winning organization, then to put some
position to win championships and be competitive. Everything that you
do matters, and that it has nothing to do with
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winning needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know, it sounds like Jordan Peterson, it comes out
of a seminar, but you got to live it. We
got to get all non football stuff, the bs out
of the building. Well, I'd argue Aaron some bs and
he's not in the building, so maybe it's fitting. But
you can sound like a psychologist, you can sound like
a Ted talk you gotta live it. If you're gonna
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demand commitment, you got to live like Tom Brady. If
you're gonna demand brain power, you got to be as
smart as Peyton Manning. If you're gonna demand arm talent,
you gotta have Matt Stafford's soup bone. And if you're
gonna demand no more non football stuff, you can't take
mini camp off for an event, and nobody's quite sure
(35:28):
what it is. And it's unexcused. That's the BS you
were lecturing the franchise on. So you know, I say
what you want about it. I just don't think it
looks very good. So and we'll keep you updated. I've
been told for at least some of this he was
out of the country for at least some of it.
That's what I was told. And I have no idea
(35:48):
what the event. I don't know what lasts a week,
a sales conference, a corporate retreat, Coachella, Jerry Duty. I
don't know what lasts a week for a star quarterback
in the NFL golf tournament or a weekend May So
women's basketball in this country, Olympic women's basketball cannot get
(36:09):
out of their own way. So they are now reeling
a little bit not putting Caitlin Clark on the team,
and they cited her inexperience as the reason why. Well, okay,
that's funny because I look this morning, four different times
rookies in the WNBA made the Olympic team. Breonna Stewart,
(36:31):
Sylvia foles Kandae Parker, Diana Tarassi. So I'm not buying
the inexperienced thing. I'm also not buying. Well, she's not
one of the top twelve players, either, is Diana Tarassi.
I'm also not buying that you know her game. It's
being duplicated. They've already got three point shooters. Well Sabrina Onscue,
(36:57):
one of the best three point shooters on this women's
Olympic team, is off to a really rough start, so
you could use her. So just think about it this way.
This is what I'm struck by the whole time. If
I did you, let's reverse it. If you did me
a huge favor, wouldn't I owe you one? You do
(37:20):
me a seismic favor, a life changing favor, I owe
you one. So Caitlin Clark and players complained about this
for years, six twenty seven year our travel second rate.
She got them chartered flights. Singularly, don't you owe something,
(37:44):
you know, besides a box of chocolates? I don't know.
Maybe squeeze her into the Olympic team. I mean, if
if you got me you were a rich cat, you
were a guy with leverage or a woman with leverage,
and you got me two years of private jet travel
up rights, I'd probably invite you to the wedding. Probably
(38:06):
probably do something for your kids, something substantial. I mean
just in the favored apartment. She got them the attention
they've been begging for and the private chartered flights they've
been lamenting. You can't do her a solid. You can't
squeeze her in. You've done it four times. You put
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a rookie on the Olympic team four different times. And
she's certainly, in this three ball era, uniquely skilled. She
has the best range in the league. Her shots don't
even look like WNBA player shots. You're gonna tell me
one of your best three point shooters is having a
little bit of a turbulent start. You can't bring the
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best range. Yeah, you also you can't use this excuse either. Well,
she's not good enough. When's the last time the United
States Women's Olympic basketball team lost a game. You've won
seven straight golds. The margin here is massive. This is
not like tight margins. You're winning the gold. You always
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win the gold. So I just think, just on there's
instead of the pettiness which we see and the body
language and the clear jealousy among some w at not all,
but some WNBA players got to grow up a little
bit when somebody does you. This is the way life works.
If somebody does you a solid two massive solids that
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you've complained about for years, you kind of owe them
one a little squeezer into the final spot, a little favor.
I mean, if you and I complained about travel for
two years and somebody got us, you and I fly
to events or remotes free, two year private jet upgrades.
(39:57):
You and I are sitting down figuring what are we
going to do for that person? Something fairly substantial? What
are we gonna do for that person?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
So is there an analogy here that the WNBA was
like a garage rock band, right, and they're playing for
neighborhoods and birthday parties, and then all of a sudden
they've got a chance to add like this amazing singer.
Nobody gets kicked out of the band, but you level
up and get this new singer, and it's like.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Holy cal you're playing, You're playing, You're playing live stadium.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
You're almost unplaying stadiums. Are you going to be resentful
of that person or extremely happy that your everything you've
got is elevated? You're now getting side deals because of
the promotion that this new star has added to your band,
Caitlin Clark, is that for the WNBA and it's weird,
Like the rest of the band's like, no, I get
her away, No I'm not interested. I don't and they're
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like refusing to give her the credit.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Well what about me?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I just the la Sparks had a game scheduled for
the Pyramid in Long Beach and then moved it to
Crypto and it was sold out.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Like she got a standing over.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
I was there, she got a standing ovation during introductions,
Kaitlin Clark, everybody's everybody Sparks fans.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Everybody as a road player. I just don't get a
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Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live
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however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day on a sad day. A somber tone
to start our show for the first five or six minutes.
The greatest basketball executive of all time, Jerry West, has
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passed away. An incredible, almost singular career. Jmax joining me
as well Rick yeukernin now to talk about this. It's
hard to he had so many successes. He was almost
a basketball whisper, even to the end in the last
seven eight years. If you had a basketball dilemma, called
Jerry weft and that's what we start our show today.
(01:10):
He was so many things. He was an all time
great player who became the logo you don't just make
any player the logo. No other player in our major
sports had ever been considered to be the logo. He
was a generationally unique eighties, nineties, two thousands. He was
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a respected basketball voice. He was the architect of three dynasties.
And he was a relentless personality. You've seen that in
the documentary, You've read that in books, because he understood
what greatness looked like and he was not willing to
sacrifice anything to get there. He also had a well
documented tough bordering on brutal childhood, and it always felt
(01:54):
like along the way he was a bit tortured. Even
the way the Lakers relationship ended wasn't perfect. Jerry was
almost singular in his greatness. He was arguably the first
great guard in the NBA, mister Clutch. He very quickly
established himself as almost a Spengali, a guru of basketball talent. Yes,
(02:17):
you know about Shaq and Kobe, and you know about
Kareem and Magic, but do you realize how big he
was in the Warriors dynasty as he aged. I always
say you can tell a lot about a man when
he goes past perhaps his prime years. You look at him,
you listen to him. Has he been willing to acknowledge issues, grow, evolve.
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That was Jerry West. He was the one that told
them move off Monte Ellis, embrace Steph Curry and go
get Andrew Boget. You need size. He was the one
that told them, I will resign if you move off KLAYE.
Thompson for Kevin Love, and at the time Kevin Love
was the better player. He was the one that whispered
in Kd's ear, you'll get better shots there than you
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do in Oklahoma City. The architect of three dynasties and arguably,
outside of the Bulls, the three best dynasties ever. He
knew basketball. He loved basketball. He was great at basketball.
The best way I could describe Jerry West as a
guard and as an executive, he didn't miss much. Here's
(03:30):
Jerry on our show years ago as the greatest executive
talking about probably the greatest player, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
If you watched him go anywhere, he was like the
pied fighter. You could not keep people away from him.
He just had that incredible charisma. But when he played,
every night he played, he was not going to take
a night at all. I love Michael Jordan. I absolutely
love Michael Jeordan. He just he's the best. He's the
(04:01):
best athlete I've ever seen in basketball. People are going
to make comparisons. But I wonder today, with the rules
having changed today, you can't handcheck, you can't touch anyone,
you can walk all over the place, you can carry
the basketball over the place. And this is the evolution
of the game. If he could have added that to
his game, my goodness, what would we see today.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It tells you a lot about Jerry West is that
the greatest current players, his contemporaries, his peers, all generations.
When Jerry walked into a room, they stopped talking and
they listened. It was sometimes combative with the Lakers. There's
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a lot of egos, a lot of brain power, a
lot of greatness in Los Angeles, and it didn't end
well with the Lakers. But Jerry has to be seen
as almost singularly a unique all time player and exactutive.
Rest in peace to mister Clutch the logo all Right.
Things a bit bumpy in New York with the Jets,
(05:09):
so Aaron Rodgers didn't show up for day one of
mini camp. Now through the years, I've said, and I
believe this, there's too much football practice. Sean McVeigh came
to the Rams with a different sensibility and said, let's
lighten up practice and let's not play any of our
starters in the preseason. People scoffed, rolled their eyes. They
(05:33):
won't be ready for the opener they started the year eight. No,
it doesn't bother me that much that Aaron Rodgers missed
a day of mini camp, although Diana Russini says reporter,
he now will miss the entire camp. Okay, So why
(05:53):
was it so clunky when his head coach Robert Salla
went to the podium a couple days ago to talk
about his absence on day one.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Aaron and I spoke before otia started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated him an event.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's missing the entire camp? Is it jury duty? Is
it a sales conference? Coachella still going on? Events don't
last a week, So that's real fuzzy. And also, why
did Robert Sala have to say verbally He could have
kept it to himself that it was an unexcused absence.
(06:48):
My guess is The power dynamic with Aaron Rodgers has
always been a little off. So Sala wants to make
it clear he runs the team and not Aaron. But
it felt a little passive, agreat and like the scolding teacher.
But this is what happens when you give a prickly
rich set in his ways, passive aggressive quarterback coming to
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save the franchise, and you put him with a defensive
coach on the hot seat with an eleven and twenty
three record before Aaron got there, What you get is
a weird power dynamic. Even as great as Brady was,
Belichick ran the show and Tom knewittt Even as great
(07:35):
as Mahomes is, Andy Reid runs the show, moves off
of Tyreek Hill, and Mahomes knows it. I could argue
the rudderless ship known as the New York Jets need
stronger management, not less intensity and less power and less leverage.
So Sauler really has his hands tied. But they've been
(07:58):
tied from day one. From the very outset, the power
dynamic here has been off. It's why I didn't buy
him last year. I think they'll be good this year,
but I don't consider him a Super Bowl team too
much of a perpetual weird odd mess, an uneven franchise
that threw a hail Mary to get Aaron, let him
pick the OC who wouldn't have gotten a job as
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an OC anywhere else in the league, had him bring
in Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard, overpaying for Lazard. Cobb
is no longer really a roster player, though he had
a nice career. It's all about the power dynamic, Salah.
When Aaron landed was an unproven, losing record defensive coach
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who had no momentum with an impulsive owner a new GM,
you thought this was gonna work. Aaron in Green Bay
never liked it that he didn't have as much control
as he felt he deserved. Brady never got caught up
in that. He didn't care. He just wanted to win trophies.
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So part of Aaron's personality has always been I want
to say I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. So
none of this is a surprise. The quarterback, the head coach,
the GM. It just feels odd. The power dynamic is off.
You see this often in the NBA, where the star
(09:24):
runs through coaches. That's a basketball culture thing. It's not
a football culture thing except apparently in New York. But
hybs an event. I was told last night from a source.
I trust Aaron's on vacation and it's overseas. I'm also
(09:44):
told you'll learn about where he's at tomorrow. Don't want
to burn my source. I'm told you'll learn about it tomorrow.
Maybe he is at an event. Can't believe there's something
overseas that would take seven eight nine days. Again, maybe
they have a music festival. But the point is, don't
be surprised by this. This is sort of what you
(10:08):
would expect. Impulsive owner, new GM coach with a losing record,
prickly older at times, arrogant, disconnected quarterback in New York
City with a pretty relentless and inarguably massive press corps.
This is what you get j Mac from Missing Day
(10:31):
One to Missing Mini Camp. I would imagine as somebody
on this show that's a Jets fan. It didn't sit
terribly well with you.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Neck great obviously, if you were in Europe, somebody would
see him. If he were international, somebody would see him.
I wonder Colin, did he get another darkness retreat on
the books, And that's why there's been no reports, nobody's
seen him anywhere. The treehouse that he goes into for
the Darkness retreat just opened up.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And hey, this is your time. You paid for it.
You got to go. I don't know that counts as
an event, right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I was told he's overseas, and I was told
tomorrow people will find out where he was overseas. Now
is he still there? Did he come back to the country.
But it's just it's did Saula have to say unexcused absence?
Don't you just keep that to yourself? Like, isn't that
just poking Aaron? Listen if once you get Aaron in
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the door and you know he can be sensitive, it's
like Kevin Durant, you know when to poke him in
the ribs. Like part of inheriting Aaron is okay. When
you're the Jets, you sit down before Aaron gets there
and you're like, yep, he's talented, he's probably passed his prime.
He's going to be expensive. He can take us to
a different place. You got to coddle him a little.
(11:45):
That's kind of Aaron's You kind of know that with Aaron.
You got to coddle him a little. You got to
give him the guys he wants. That's just part of
the game with Aaron. But I think going up and
saying it's unexcused and then you have to say he's
at an event. Well, now that puts pressure on Aaron.
People are gonna ask Aaron about what's the event. What
if Aaron doesn't want to talk about the event. It's
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just odd to me. It's more noise than you need.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Unless, of course, he's embracing the attention, wants the attention,
wants everybody talking about him, because we know he's one
of those kind of guys. You got to be talking
about me all the time. I'm Aaron Rodgers, So being
skipping out on camp good way to get people talking.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
About you, Huh. I don't know. It's just that, you
know what I've said before, Aaron's great content. I mean,
he's given me probably six to eight weeks of content
just on him. It doesn't matter where he goes.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Could he give six to eight wins like before Halloween.
That'd be nice, that felt personal.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
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So Jerry West passed away last night, eighty six years old.
A remarkable career. When you talk about his executive career
from eighty two to eighty eight, this is how powerful
the Lakers were. They've made HBO series and written books
about this. Eighty two to eighty eight, Jerry's the GM,
pat Riley's a coach, and Magic and Kareem are the
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two stars. It was really at that time it was considered,
in my opinion, that was the greatest team of all time.
And then in nineteen ninety six, in a one week period,
Jerry West on July eleventh of ninety six, trades Vlade
for Kobe Bryant and then a week later signed Shack
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as a free agent. Perhaps the greatest week and executives
ever had. Then from ninety nine to two thousand, Jerry's
the GM, Phil Jackson's the head coach, Shaq and Kobe
are the stars. So and then that breaks up, almost
predictably breaks up. I mean Phil Jackson and Jerry were
(13:54):
rivals as players, Phil and Nick, Jerry a Laker, and
it was a sort of The ninety one finals were
sort of a transition of power between the Phil Jackson
Bulls taking over for Jerry and the dynasty he had created.
And then Jerry ends up at Golden State where he's
a top executive though not the GM but really the
basketball savat in the building, Steve Kerr's coach, and then
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Steph Curry's the best player. So there's an argument to
be made that three of the four great dynasties of
all time, the Warriors and a couple of Lakers only
Michael Jordan, which supplanted Jerry's second dynasty or first one.
I should say the Magic Kareem one. That Jerry had
three of the four great dynasties. He's the architect for
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all of them. Now, pat Riley has since become an
incredible basketball mind. He's probably to me first or second
right behind Jerry all time and as an executive, and
there have been many, many great ones. But I always thought,
when you go look and think about Jerry West, it
is sad of what the Lakers have become. I was
(15:01):
having a discussion yesterday was somebody who's tied to the league,
and they had said, maybe it is time to protect
Jerry Buss's legacy, to move on and sell the Lakers
to somebody like a Steve Balmer, although he owns the Clippers,
somebody of that net worth and that gravitas, that can
really run it like it deserves, like a top brand
in the history of American sports. So the Phil Jackson
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Jerry West relationship, it was bound not to be a
long term relationship. It worked well for a year or two.
But you just look back at what the Lakers were.
You know, you think of baseball the greatest teams ever.
Even if you're just a baseball casual, you'd have to figure,
like the Yankees have three or four of the best
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five teams of all time. And I would say Jerry
West was the architect and the brains behind three of
the four great basketball dynasties of all time. And do
not forget not just the trade for Kobe or the
move to get Shack as a free agent that you know,
the Golden State tenure. And to the very end, Jerry
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was like a basketball consultant. If you had a dilemma,
you went and you asked Jerry West, who passed away
again at eighty six years old. He was doing now
some consulting stuff. The Clippers announced that passing this morning,
and here's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No news, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Let's go to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Sean Payton's first year with the Broncos did not go well,
and when eight and nine missed the playoffs, a lot
of criticism ended up dumping Russell Wilson. Peyton was asked
if he has a chip on his shoulder due to
the media conversation about his coaching. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I think that I have two middle fingers. I've gotten
better with the age not using him. I don't play
a lot of video games. But you got X amount
of battery, light and energy, and you try to use
it where you think it's uh, it's best going to
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help the team, and so you learn over time to
to not spend as much on the things you can't control.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's a good way to think about it. As the
older you get, the less rabbit holes you should probably
go down and be consumed with stuff you can't control.
That's almost a good mantra for life that would help
when you're young. But I think when you're young it's
almost a badge of honor to get involved in groups
and weird stuff, just experimental living.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The problem with that is Peyton picked bo Nicks. That's
his guy.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And you know, if bo Knicks doesn't look good and
they win like five games, Sean Payton starts next year
on the hot seat.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, it's it's I would I would.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Say this, it's not fair, but that's that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean I I first of all, when you
select the quarterback, you're always in this league on the
hot seat.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
So he's going to be tied to bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, that's his selection.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I mean, unless Zach Wilson emerges as some kind of
new quarterback for him and his lights out, nobody expects
that time.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, and also I think you know, you can say
what you want. Nobody he's got a super Bowl, but
nobody looks at Sean Payton and wonders if he can
coach no reasonable person. So I would push back in
a hot seat. If bow Knicks looks like, Okay, he's
going to be the guy, but struggles because he's a
rookie and rookie struggle, I don't think you're on the
hot seat. It'd be one thing if bo Knicks can't
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play a look he looked like Zach Wilson, what if
he look like Bryce Young, well there's a different conversation.
But I can tell you he won't sixty one college starts.
And also Bryce Young did not have Sean Payton as
a coach. Also, Bryce Young did not have Courtland Sutton.
Bryce Young did not have this offensive line. Bryce Young
would have struggled a little bit in Denver, but Carolina
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had no help. They traded away Dj Moore. So you've
got a number one recis a really good left tackle.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Courtland Sutton's one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think he's really good. I mean, on the market,
he'll generate. They can't give him up because they let
go of Jerry Judy. They moved him. Courtland Sutton's a
really really good Yeah, he's a top twelve receiver, top fifteen.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, if you're top thirty two, you're a one. He's
top thirty two.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Oh, there's thirty two ones in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, I mean he he's the best receiver easily for them,
next to Jerry Judy. He was a much better player
than Jerry Judy, who people think should be a one.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Let's see what Judy does in Cleveland this year.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Fans, I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Okay, all right, fair enough, But listen, there's a reason
the Broncos win total is one of the lowest in
the league.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Vegas doesn't believe in them.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, last year I told you Vegas made a mistake
on the Rams. Vegas is making a mistake on Denver.
They're not a five win team. That is probably as
good at bet as you're going to have.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Again't schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Okay, at Seattle, what do we know about Seattle? Sean
pay against the rookie coach. Okay, Yeah, they were favored
against the Rams at home last year and got no
blown out by the way. Then Pittsburgh at home, what
do we know about that mess?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
That's a winnable game for dinner.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, at at Atlanta, you don't know what. Tampa at
Tampa and Raiders Saints Carolina.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
For the Jets. Actually, you're right.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The schedule early. Raiders are one of the worst teams
in the league. Bucks, nobody really believes it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And by the way, Week eighteen, Kansas City, if they've
got it sealed up, they're not playing Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
So don't bet the under on the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, it's one of the best over bets on the board.
Their early schedule, when you're trying to get Bonick's confidence
and reps, is a lot of nonsense. I mean, just
say it out loud. Geno Smith, Steelers offense, Baker Aaron Rodgers,
and the Jets, Noise Raiders, even Hardball's got a new
team and no no big weapons on the outside. That's
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a viable, winnable game.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Okay, look at it. And they got Carolina on this schedule, and.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
The Saints, I mean, listen, going to go to Baltimore
and win and they're not going to Kansas City in winning.
So those are rails. But everything else on this board,
they have a lot of games like against the Colts
and the Browns and the Steelers that are at home
that are go either way games. They get most of
their go either way games at home.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I think they're a five and a half winter So listen, hey,
you need to put your money where your mouth.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's my best over bet last year the Rams. Yeah,
it really is.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Do you know how hard it is to go five
and twelve?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
No, I'm a winner, so I don't know what that's like.
I have no idea what five and twelve and it looks
like next time.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Russell Wilson left Denver to join the Steelers on a
one year deal this offseason. Listen, it wasn't a good
run in Denver obviously for Russ, but he says he's
hardly feeling his age entering his thirteenth NFL season.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
I just I feel, you know, I feel revived and
never's laying mentally spiritualist.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I feel confident.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Oh, you know, I think at some point you got
to know who you are, you know, as a player,
as a man, as competitor, you know, as somebody who's
been a fortunate toil playing this game. And I don't
doubt it, you know, I really I felt really good
last year playing, you know, I felt really complide in
the midst of everything. And so I think right now
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I have all that confidence text in.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
All Right, we'll see. They'll be interesting. I don't think
they'll be great, but they'll be interesting.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
The haircut there for us, You see the buzz. It
looks like he's going to basic scene.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
A lot of new things going on with Russ.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not feeling this Pittsburgh team.
I know.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Anytime we talk about him on the show. You know,
Pittsburgh has a rabid audience of fans.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
They just come after. Oh, Tomlin's never under five hundred.
You guys are so wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Can we raise our standards in life to We've never
been terrible too, We're excellent. Like, if your whole thing is, hey,
we're never under five hundred, do you want a breath mint?
What do you want from that? Honestly, that's the standard
of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's like the Yankees celebrate a
wild card appearance like we've never been under five hundred. Wow,
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I gotta believe mcbah and Kyle Shanahan have loftier goals
than that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Indeed, the final story is the NBA NBA Finals Game
three tonight, and we've got some weird Kristaps Porzingis drama.
Boston is calling it a rare injury to his left leg,
and he's listed as questionable. I'm not even gonna mention
the injury because it's a bunch of words that are
gobbly goop.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Nobody's gonna understand it.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But it's not the same leg where he had the
cap strain, So now he's got both legs banged up here.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
I love.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Maybe this will keeps the door ajar for the MAVs
to sneak in and make it really.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Like the MAVs tonight. Now, I think Tatum will come
back and play very well. Won't be as nervous now
he can go on the road, not the anxiety of
performing at home as the star. I think Tatum's big tonight.
I think Lively, the young kid, the rookie, gets away
from Boston crowd, gets home, he plays better. I think
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Porzingis probably doesn't play or doesn't play much. I think
the MAVs come out early. I think Dallas wins. I
think they win semi comfortably. I do think Tatum plays well,
but expect Lively to do something tonight. I think Kyrie
and Lively have been affected by the crowd. The Boston
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intensity has affected the rookie and the former Celtic. I
think they both go back and play well tonight.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Porzingis on the court is a plus twenty five in
the series. When he's off the court, it's even. Yeah,
so like he's a big factor on both the Celtics
coming off the bench. He's outscored the MAVs entire bench
in both games.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
No, no, no, he's he is why they call him a unicorn.
It's just his ability to protect the rim. You can
beat him defensively and he can'ts what they call for
corners catch up speed. He has catch up length. Yeah,
so it's he's an absolute factor. He had a great year,
so don't be surprised by this. He was a very
effective player.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Now now he's only being listed as questionable for tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I bet you they keep him out.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
No, keep him out if.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
They fall behind by thirteen fourteen early, because he's coming
off the bench. If he fall if they fall behind
thirteen fourteen, why playing.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I don't know if Dallas can get that kind of
margin with Boston. It threw weird by the way I
saw stat since you mentioned Tatum. He had I believe
twenty nine drives to the basket in Game two, the
most he's ever had in his career.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Twenty nine ruts.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's just taking Luke off the dribble, whoever's guarding him, center, Kyrie.
He's just attacking relentlessly. That's how he ended up with
all those assists. Now, he couldn't finish at the Rami
shot like six and twenty two, but he had double
digit assists because he's driving and kicking.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I don't think Dallas can stop Boston coming.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean, Tatum and Brown are just anytime the shots
down falling, they're just attacking.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
There's Dallas can't stop.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There's a difference between Boston's gonna win the series and
Boston can have an awful Game three first half on
the road. So I'm that's what I'm predicting that Boston
falls behind. It's clunky. They decide in game not to
play Porzengis, Why bring him off the bench. Tatum's playing well,
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nobody else has quite got it. So if you go
to the NBA Champions even Michael Jordan's Bulls had clunkers
on the road. They had a clunker I think against
the Sonics at home in a close out game, like
you great teams.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Three nothing on the Sonics and lost the next two.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, Like, I mean, it's so great. Teams have bad
halfs and bad This is the NBA. Kyrie Irving comes out,
goes eight for nine, Lucas Luca, all of a sudden,
Jalen Brown's off Porzingis, let's not play him, you're down sixteen.
Stuff in these games, you know, the NBA. Now you
can catch up quickly. You can fall into a canyon fast.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Listen, Boston is currently fourteen and two in the playoffs.
Colug Yeah, if they sweep Dallas and go sixteen or two.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We'll have a That's an interesting proposition.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
At Golden State with kd what sixteen and Kobe and
Shaq went fifteen in one because there was only the
five game first round. This would be historic stuff. If
they go sixteen to two, like dominant, they're winning margin.
Remember the fifty point wins this season. I know people
don't want to hear it. If they sweep the mass
this is one of the great runs of all time. Yes,
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And I don't know if people think they're like, oh,
they're not a top five, top ten team ever. They're
more dominant than any eighty Celtics team ever.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And there all the Larry Bird team and there's more
talent in the NBA now than four.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
People are like disrespecting this team, like well, burd never
peeled off nine straight playoff wins.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Remember the NBA. When Durant went to Golden State, the
league did not like that. So the new CBA was
built to avoid that. So I would make the argument
the Celtics aren't all time great. Uh, the talent is
more spread out over the league because that's what the
league wants. They're making it virtually impossible to get a
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third star. So Boston is really good, not great all time,
but the league has great talent, but it's all spread
out to the league. There's only like four teams in
the league. Detroit's one of them. Obviously, there's only about
four teams. You look at and you're like, they got
no players. Houston wasn't good. They got players. Yeah, San
Antonio is not good. They got Wemby. Orlando's not there yet,
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but by next year they could be really interesting. So
the league's got talent everywhere there. You can go ten
years ago, like the bottom six teams were like felt talentless.
That we got teams that are stacked, like the Clippers
that got bounced in the first round.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Remember for Zingis was like a two. Wasn't he a
two in New York? Or he was like a two
in Washington? He's like a three or four with Boss.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
There were Knights, he was a one in Washington.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Drewe Holidays like a three or four and he could
be a two on some teams.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know a lot today. When Chris Middleton got hurt,
he was a two in Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
There's so I don't know how they got stall.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Argued Derek White. They stole him. Derek White on bottom
tier teams is a two in this league.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Yeah, he would have been the second best player on this.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Burdey Sea question. No question, he's the second best winner.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You might have been second best on the Pistons. I
don't even know if they haven't won. But I mean,
Boston is genuinely stabbed.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The league would prefer Boston not happen, that you'd have
a good team and then you'd get poor Zingis and
Drew Holiday, and that they don't want it to be
as lobsided. I don't think we're gonna get a sweet
but if we do, it is an interesting discussion. To
have j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
So I was thinking about this. Aaron Rodgers, according to
Diana Russini, not only miss day one a mini camp,
He's gonna miss all of it for an event which
we're not sure what it is, but how many week
long events are there be that as it may. Aaron
falls into a group of older quarterbacks finding a new team,
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but his feels different the other guys, the other older
quarterbacks that went to a team felt sort of grateful
and they were hyper focused, all in. I mean, Russell
Wilson didn't work, but he was all in, right. I mean,
Peyton Manning goes to Denver, he had four neck surgeries.
He was grateful for a second opportunity and was phenomenal
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and was all in even though physically he wasn't his best.
When Brady went to Tampa, he was doing illegal practices
at Jesuit High School that a local helicopter news vehicle
discovered he was all in. Matt Stafford went to the
Rams so grateful finally having a franchise that was well
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run and mcveigh's brilliance all in. Aaron in New York
has felt a little different, sort of like, hey, you're
lucky to have me. I get Hackett, Alan Lazard and
Cobb made demands. It's one thing when Brady said, give
me Gronk still a great player. It's another if you're
taking players who you forced them to hire that didn't
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have really the ability to be hired on the market.
Nathaniel Hackett or really weren't NFL players Randall Cobb, or
you overpay for number three receivers or four receivers Alan Lazard,
I'm okay Brady asking for grong or Leonard Fernett. I
get that. But from the beginning it hasn't been much gratitude.
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It's your lucky to have me, and I would argue
or at least ask you to entertain. The thought is
that Aaron's never really been in terms of football. Maybe
he is in life, but in football he's never come
off as grateful. He was pissed at the NFL coming
into the league because of where he was drafted. He dropped.
He was not happy having to sit behind Rogers for
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three years very quickly with Mike McCarthy, didn't appreciate his coaching,
even though McCarthy, to his credit, Green Van Dallas averages
about ten to eleven twelve wins a season. By the way,
unhappy with one of the best front offices in the
NFL in the last twenty years, the Green Bay Packers
and could not form a relationship. Was not grateful for
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Davonte Adams. I mean Brady's like best friends with like
his number four receivers, his Chris Hogan's forget Welker's and
Edelman's and Gronks, Brady's buddies with all of them. Aaron
could not sacrifice a little more time for Davonte Adams.
So it feels like Manning in Denver, Stafford in LA.
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You know Brady in Tampa. There was a level of gratitude,
a relentlessness and all in, let's make this work. No
sacrifice is for Aaron. He talks the game, but he's
not walking it. He said this, He said this after
the season ended, and this matters.
Speaker 11 (34:13):
Everything that we do has to have a purpose too.
We step in the building. There's intentionality with everything that
you do. And it's not a half the time thing.
It's not a sometimes thing, it's not a most of
the time thing. It's an every time thing. If you
want to be a winning organization, then to put some
position to win championships and be competitive. Everything that you
do matters, and that it has nothing to do with
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winning needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know, it sounds like Jordan Peterson, it comes out
of a seminar, but you got to live it. We
got to get all non football stuff, the bs out
of the building. Well, I'd argue Aaron some bs and
he's not in the building, so maybe it's fitting. But
you can sound like a psychologist, you can sound like
a Ted talk you gotta live it. If you're gonna
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demand commitment, you got to live like Tom Brady. If
you're gonna demand brain power, you got to be as
smart as Peyton Manning. If you're gonna demand arm talent,
you gotta have Matt Stafford's soup bone. And if you're
gonna demand no more non football stuff, you can't take
mini camp off for an event, and nobody's quite sure
(35:28):
what it is. And it's unexcused. That's the BS you
were lecturing the franchise on. So you know, I say
what you want about it. I just don't think it
looks very good. So and we'll keep you updated. I've
been told for at least some of this he was
out of the country for at least some of it.
That's what I was told. And I have no idea
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what the event. I don't know what lasts a week,
a sales conference, a corporate retreat, Coachella, Jerry Duty. I
don't know what lasts a week for a star quarterback
in the NFL golf tournament or a weekend May So
women's basketball in this country, Olympic women's basketball cannot get
(36:09):
out of their own way. So they are now reeling
a little bit not putting Caitlin Clark on the team,
and they cited her inexperience as the reason why. Well, okay,
that's funny because I look this morning, four different times
rookies in the WNBA made the Olympic team. Breonna Stewart,
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Sylvia foles Kandae Parker, Diana Tarassi. So I'm not buying
the inexperienced thing. I'm also not buying. Well, she's not
one of the top twelve players, either, is Diana Tarassi.
I'm also not buying that you know her game. It's
being duplicated. They've already got three point shooters. Well Sabrina Onscue,
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one of the best three point shooters on this women's
Olympic team, is off to a really rough start, so
you could use her. So just think about it this way.
This is what I'm struck by the whole time. If
I did you, let's reverse it. If you did me
a huge favor, wouldn't I owe you one? You do
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me a seismic favor, a life changing favor, I owe
you one. So Caitlin Clark and players complained about this
for years, six twenty seven year our travel second rate.
She got them chartered flights. Singularly, don't you owe something,
(37:44):
you know, besides a box of chocolates? I don't know.
Maybe squeeze her into the Olympic team. I mean, if
if you got me you were a rich cat, you
were a guy with leverage or a woman with leverage,
and you got me two years of private jet travel
up rights, I'd probably invite you to the wedding. Probably
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probably do something for your kids, something substantial. I mean
just in the favored apartment. She got them the attention
they've been begging for and the private chartered flights they've
been lamenting. You can't do her a solid. You can't
squeeze her in. You've done it four times. You put
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a rookie on the Olympic team four different times. And
she's certainly, in this three ball era, uniquely skilled. She
has the best range in the league. Her shots don't
even look like WNBA player shots. You're gonna tell me
one of your best three point shooters is having a
little bit of a turbulent start. You can't bring the
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best range. Yeah, you also you can't use this excuse either. Well,
she's not good enough. When's the last time the United
States Women's Olympic basketball team lost a game. You've won
seven straight golds. The margin here is massive. This is
not like tight margins. You're winning the gold. You always
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win the gold. So I just think, just on there's
instead of the pettiness which we see and the body
language and the clear jealousy among some w at not all,
but some WNBA players got to grow up a little
bit when somebody does you. This is the way life works.
If somebody does you a solid two massive solids that
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you've complained about for years, you kind of owe them
one a little squeezer into the final spot, a little favor.
I mean, if you and I complained about travel for
two years and somebody got us, you and I fly
to events or remotes free, two year private jet upgrades.
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You and I are sitting down figuring what are we
going to do for that person? Something fairly substantial? What
are we gonna do for that person?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
So is there an analogy here that the WNBA was
like a garage rock band, right, and they're playing for
neighborhoods and birthday parties, and then all of a sudden
they've got a chance to add like this amazing singer.
Nobody gets kicked out of the band, but you level
up and get this new singer, and it's like.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Holy cal you're playing, You're playing, You're playing live stadium.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
You're almost unplaying stadiums. Are you going to be resentful
of that person or extremely happy that your everything you've
got is elevated? You're now getting side deals because of
the promotion that this new star has added to your band,
Caitlin Clark, is that for the WNBA and it's weird,
Like the rest of the band's like, no, I get
her away, No I'm not interested. I don't and they're
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like refusing to give her the credit.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Well what about me?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I just the la Sparks had a game scheduled for
the Pyramid in Long Beach and then moved it to
Crypto and it was sold out.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Like she got a standing over.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
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