June 12, 2024 • 42 mins
NBA analyst Ric Bucher sits down with Colin to share his thoughts on the desperate Mavericks, UConn coach Dan Hurley spurning the Lakers (and what the Lakers do next in their coaching search), and the late Jerry West
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go our two live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for Megan's part of your day. On
a Wednesday game three to night, Dallas Mavericks out played
in Boston. Wheels came off a little Now go back home, Jmac.
Everybody has said it's over interesting story. Christaps Porzingis has
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a rare leg injury. As you pointed out earlier, Porzingis
matters more than people think. So with Porzingis, this team
shoots fifty one percent from the floor. When he's off
the floor, they shoot forty three percent, So he cleans
up a lot his size. With him on the floor,
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they're plus twenty five without him even game their offensive
rating higher. When he's on the floor. The net rating
twenty eight plus twenty eight with Porzingis on the floor
plus two and a half without him. He this Remember
this is not Michael Jordan's Celtics, it's Jason Tatum's. So
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Porzingis is an absolute factor. I like Dallas tonight, though
I think Tatum plays well. But it's interesting. I want
to take you back to twenty twenty one. So Kyrie
and PJ. Washington, the second and third best player have
been hot garbage. Go back to twenty twenty one, Chris
Middleton and Drew Holiday. Through two games, the second and
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third best players stunk and like Dallas, Bucks fell behind
to love Dallas going home. The Bucks went home. So
with the Bucks team, they were losing to a very
well rounded team that we didn't know if they had
a great player in Phoenix, and right now Dallas is
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getting boat raced by a very well constructed team though
were not sure if they have an iconic great player.
The best player in that series was Jannis, unquestionably dealing
with some injuries. The best player in this series is Luca,
clearly dealing with some injuries. HM So and Kyrie Irving,
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I would argue, is more skilled than Chris Middleton and
Drew Holliday. Remember that Phoenix team, like this Boston team,
a lot of talent, Mikhale Bridges, Booker, Chris Paul, DeAndre Ayton,
Jay Crowder, but like Tatum at that time, we looked
at Booker and said, yeah, I give you twenty six
twenty seven a night. But is he the guy? Isn't
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that what we say about Tatum aesthetically pleasing all star level?
But is he the man? So I'm just saying, are
we sure it's over the numbers? Tell you remember Milwaukee?
What did they do in Game three? Went back home,
blew out Phoenix by twenty. If Dallas goes home tonight
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blows out the Celtics by twenty, be very very careful.
Here's Jason Kidd, MAVs coach, on needing a win tonight
in Game three.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Urgesy started for us a while back. So I think
we're used to that. I think the game of basketball
is about makes and misses and capitalizing on mistakes, and
we just haven't had that, you know, opportunity to capitalize.
We'll get he stops, we turned the ball over, we
give up a three. Hopefully we can get you know,
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the game is coming down a stretch and we can
capitalize on their mistakes. There's two teams playing, so we
can relax and enjoy this and have fun, and that's
what it's all about. And hopefully we can do that
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I like Dallas tonight. I think their role players, like
the Bucks role players down oh two when they got
back home. The Bucks role players, this is the way
it goes. The Buck's second best player, third best player,
fourth best player. They played very well at home. I
think Derek Lively, a little overwhelmed in Boston, goes back
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home more comfortable. I think Kyrie Irving, former Celtic, little
overwhelmed in Boston, goes back home. I think Dallas is
comfortable and wins substantially tonight. With that Rick Buker covering
the leagues, that's nineteen ninety three. He's on Speak today,
our Fox Sports NBA analyst Rick Buker joining us today.
So you know, my I remember that Milwaukee series, and
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we've talked about this generally, stars, Luca Jannis, M J. Kobe.
They're good everywhere, Yeah, but your second, third, fourth, fifth
guys tend to be on average in these big spots,
a little vetter at home. Yep. So my theory is
this does have a little bit of a feel that
Phoenix team, like Boston pretty stacked. We had questions about
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their one oh as being a one. Do you think
Dallas does have a shot going forward?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I do.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I still believe they have a chance at winning the
series for a number of the reasons that you've already
pointed out. I also believe, well, I don't know if
we look at k Kyrie Irving purely.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
As a role player, I do believe that.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He was fighting some gremlins in Boston, wanted to show
the Boston fans something, and was doing a little too
much on his own little I supposed to just playing
within the concept of the team. And I do think, Look,
the Mavericks haven't gotten anything out of their bigs, Maxi
Kleeber hasn't given him anything, Daniel Gaffer, Derek at least offensively,
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rebounding wise a little bit, but scoring whise not at all.
And they need that PJ. Washington same thing. I honestly,
I'm looking at Luca in the need for him to
be a better playmaker and to make decisions quicker, because
the Dallas Mavericks are better overall. Daniel Gafford and Derek
Lively and all those guys aren't going to get PJ.
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Washington even aren't going to get things on their own.
Luca's going to be setting that up. He had one
assist in game one and he had eight turnovers in
game two. He has twelve assists and twelve turnovers in
the two games. He has to be a far better
playmaker to get those guys involved, and they are a
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much better team when they have everybody involved. So to me,
that's going to be the big difference. Can Luca And
I don't want to take away from Boston's defense. They've
made things harder on him, much harder on him than
Minnesota did. The matchups are are more difficult for him.
But I just I think he can play a steady
or more efficient game, and that's going to be the difference.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
One of the early comps I made with Luca was
Carmelo Anthony not in great shape, not very good at
the defensive end, and may have trouble playing with others.
There are videos circulating on the internet. I saw one yesterday.
Luca is horrific defensively, Like I mean, it's it is
just not really competing. Now. I think he's better than
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Melo because it's a three ball league and he's brilliant,
and I also think better ball handler, probably better passer.
But that was always the knock on Melo, which is
struggles to play with others, doesn't really commited the defensive end.
When I watch those Luca clips against the Celtics, now,
is it injury or yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think the the whatever he's dealing with, that's part
of it. He's never been a great defender, No, but
he's been better over the course of this season, yes,
than he's ever been.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The word.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And Boston also has enough offensive players and guys with
who can handle where they can go at Luca and
they that's one of the things are that's what they
have done that Minnesota did not do. But they have
the personnel to do that. So I'm going to put
some of the issues that he's had defensively on where
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he is physically, but Boston has made a point of
exposing that, so so good on them for that. I
really do not like your Carmelo comparison at all, though I.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
See it's going to be Mail's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I see the similarities, but Luca is a much smarter
playmaker in involving everybody and getting things done in terms
of being able to get where they want to go
and being three level scorers. I would compare that, and
I do think that Carmelo is one of those guys
who left a lot on the table in terms of
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what he could have been.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh totally right. Yeah, But I'm not saying it's a
perfect comp but it was when everybody fell in love
with Luca, I said, the condition the defense couldn't get
along with Brunton or porzingis. I said, there's stuff there
that I don't love. You know what.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
This is one element that I agree with in that
and we see it go back and forth with Luca.
I think Luca is trying to be a better distributor
and teammate.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Because it has been.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, but my problem is is when and we saw
it in We saw a lot of it in Game one.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
We saw some of it in Game two. When things
kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Fall apart or they need a boost, he becomes very like,
I'm going to do it, and it really kind of
will get his numbers and he'll hit some shots, but
it the rest of the team doesn't play the same way, right,
And that is that's what Mellow did a lot and
would undermine his team.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So I'm gonna save Jerry West for the end because
I know you have thoughts on that and know Jerry.
The Dan Hurley situation with the Lakers interesting. So there's
the whole thing felt a little odd. He was going
to be on the show today, he's recruiting, He'll be
there tomorrow here tomorrow. You know, there's the parts of
it that are like, you know, one reporter, Sean said,
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it's JJ's job. So I want to start with that.
JJ had no experience, he was a podcaster, and in
order for JJ to work, My take was he better
get a great staff. Ye take me through through what
you heard about it's JJ's job, because now it seems
like he's not in the running. It was that true.
Did you believe it was his job? Why? Why did
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it erode quickly? Why did it regress over the course
of like four days.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, it wasn't his job, but it was what the
Lakers wanted to do if they could put the right
staff around them.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Okay, so the staff meant a lot to the Lakers
thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
They were like, we can see this working, but we
have to have the right guys on the bill.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Those guys were not willing to be JJ's caddy. I mean,
James Brigo, Sam Cassel, like, those are the guys that
they're interviewing, and everybody took it as they're interviewing them
for the head coach. They're competing with JJ for the job. No,
the Lakers wanted those guys to be on the staff
supporting JJ because they've got far more experience. James de
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Rego actually has head coaching experience in Charlotte, and those guys,
from what I understand, weren't willing to do it, either
because of the role or the money that was being offered.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So they're like, Okay, we.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Need to pivot like this this isn't going to work.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What else can we do?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So did they pivot to Hurley or did Hurley reach
out because he hadn't signed a contract.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
My understanding is that they pivoted to Hurley because they
found out that Hurley had not signed. They thought he
has the six year, forty eight million, They didn't know
he was available, and they found out, oh, he might
be available.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Now, whether Hurley.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Did it with the idea of I don't like my
deal because the deal that was sitting on his desk
that he had not signed less than what Bill self
is making in Kansas. I'm Dan Hurley. I've just won
back to back championships. I may be going for a third.
I should be the highest, Like there shouldn't even be
a question. I should at least be paid on par.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Ten million a year, And he was looking at seven
and a half ish year eight okay, I think yeah,
around there, So he was looking for a little raise.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So he was looking for a raise at which I
would expect his like everybody's reporting, he's now signing six
years fifty from what the governor of Connecticut has said.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Like he should be.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He should be.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Paid on par with Bill self. I would expect that deal.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Is going to end up being ten per He's going
to get that. So he got that essentially out of
the Lakers dalliance. But I do think that if the
Lakers had come correct, if they had made a can't refuse.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Offer, that they could have got Hurley.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't think Hurley was just exploring it and using
it as leverage to get a better deal and was
always planning to go back to Yukon and go after
a third championship. I think he saw the opportunity to
make the kind of contract that he couldn't possibly make
at Yukon. And we've gone back and forth on this,
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like people think that, like, well, you're two time champion
and you can go for a third and you can
put yourself in the John Wooden category, Like that's bigger
than being the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Coach another Lakers coach, I.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Respectfully disagree.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
We for all that Hurley has done at Yukon, Like
when it was March Madness, we were talking about Hurley.
Beyond that, nobody's talking about Hurley. As soon as he
became oh he could be the Lakers head coach, it
took his Q rating to a different place. I know
where the Lakers are. I know the job's not great,
But the fact is, being the head coach of the
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law Los Angeles Lakers is going to resonate to a
greater audience.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's going to make you more visible.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Then.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah, But however many championships you win in Yukon.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Let me push back. Nick Saban was more visible going
to the NFL than he tain't. Like, more visible's great
if you're winning understood more visible. Being fired is not
good for the brand, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But but that's what happens after you get there, right like,
And if you're Dan Hurley, you're thinking, if they give
me enough money and they give me enough time, I
can make that work. You don't have the success that
Dan Hurley has had if you don't believe that no
matter where you go, you can make it work. Because
and he has the track record. He went to Wagner,
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they were a losing, losing program. They were a winner
when he left top of the conference, went to Rhode Island,
losing record, turned it around, took him to the top,
and now with Yukon. So if I'm Dan Hurley, the
reason I'm taking the Lakers job is yeah, I know
what it looks.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Like right now.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
But if you give me time, I can turn this
into a winner, because I always have.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I want to talk about Jerry West. I said
he was almost singular. There's certainly an argument he's the
greatest executive of all time. Of the four best dynasties,
you can argue he created three of them. I think
he played a bigger role in Golden State, where he
said he'd resign if they move Clay for Kevin Love
where he told them move off Montelis, get get size,
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where he've embraced Steph very early, where he whispered into
Katie's ear, You're gonna get easier shots out here than
you are with Westbrook. I mean, so I said earlier today,
I'm like, I think Michaels probably viewed as the best player.
I view Jerry as the best executive. One a is
pat Riley. That's my worldview on it. Is that inaccurate?
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How do you land on Jerry?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
This is why I'm always amazed when people don't put
him in the top three or four all time Lakers.
And it's a combination of what he was as a
player and what he was as an executive.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And I mean, this news is kind of hard for.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Me because Jerry was, as you said, a singular guy,
and you I would joke about it like i would
get on the phone with him and I'd ask him
one question and I'd have a lot of questions for him.
I'd ask him one question and forty five minutes later,
I'm waiting.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
To ask my second question. His breadth of knowledge is.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean, he just and it was one of the
things that made him so special as an executive because
he could talk to great players. As a great player,
he never lost he never lost that feel for what
it meant to be a great player, even when he
became an executive and his going and getting and at
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the same time he figured out ways to make the
front office uh numbers details work. I mean his his
getting Shack from Orlando to to the Lakers was no
small feat at that time. That was that was that
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took a lot of heavy lifting. But the the other
part was that for all that he did, there was
a humility about him.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There's no quo. I always felt he never lost there's
a vulnerable I've said this about Tom Brady, considering how
good he looks and how good he's been, there was
always sort of a like like Bill runs the show,
I'm just a quarterback. There is a humility to Jerry. Now,
Jerry could be very relentless. If you looked at his childhood.
All of our childhood shape our personalities as adults. Sure,
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but there was I mean, he stre when he made
that Shack deal. I can remember reading a story where
he said he he got sick. Yeah, it was such
a big deal, and Shack was regarded as literally an
immovable unicorn. There was no shack. He made the deal,
he felt for the Bus family, for the city of
Los Angeles. He was so nervous that I guess he
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got sick physically.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Well he I mean, he couldn't watch games. He would
get on the car. He would get into his car
and drive on the freeways and listen to games because
he couldn't stand just sitting there in the stands watching games.
And it looked, I mean that some of our greatest
assets are also our biggest defects, right, And And what
drove him and what kind of fueled that humility was
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this feeling like if I don't work as hard as
I possibly can, I'm I'm not gonna make it. I'm
going to lose, I'm going to be I'm gonna not
be good enough. And it was almost like a paranoia
and and an obsession to work as hard as he did.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
And so that fueled him.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But at the time it made him a little crazy too,
I mean, he was he was known as he was
known as both the Logo and l Loco. He had
both nicknames and lived up to both of them. But man,
what just a tortured human being in some ways, but
just a genuine I got to tell you, just between
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losing Bill and now losing Jerry, Like, those are two
guys that were They brought such a humanity to the league.
If you were in the league and you got a
chance to know them, That's what made the NBA so special,
is the fabric of it and the people that you
got to know and who they were.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, the NFL's always been very corporate. Basketball has been
the artist league. That's what I always feel that basketball,
NBA basketball is similar to international soccer that MESSI may
be flawed and Rinaldo's not perfect, but this is an
open canvas. The ball is yours make art. Football is
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diagram a lot of practices. It's marching band, stay on task,
that's right, it's marching band. Basketball is where our great
sports artists live. Same with international soccer. Yeah, and so
because of that, aesthetics matter.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And personality does too. Yeah, Like the personality of somebody
is visible and informs how they play.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So a flawed player that I mean, for a long time,
Kareem was the best player on the planet, but he
was never really embraced because it was a bit prickly
doctor j There was more flavor, there was more color.
There was magic, I mean magic Johnson like right, So
it's like in basketball, these are artists that can You're
gonna spill some paint, yeah, right, Like the greatest players
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shoot forty eight percent. There's a lot of paint to
be spilled. And so when I look at Jerry and
I look at his the logo at loco, that's part
of basketball, his tough childhood. There's also something to be
said about small state or small town. People who go
to big cities have sort of that intuitive fear like, oh,
I'm a little kid, small town and it drives them forever.
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Jerry always felt a little West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
One thousand percent, without question, as long as you could
put the suit, I mean you just take take a
look at that, Like you can put a suit and
tie on him, small town kid, but he's still he's
still got that West Virginia look to him.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
What's interesting about Jerry is a lot of times as
people age in any industry, you know, the young don't
really listen. Yeah, the young, they're disconnected. It's the old guy.
It is fascinating to see the reverence. Michael Kobe Durant Lebron.
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There's a reverence to a mid eighty year old guy,
and I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
A big part of it was the fact that as
we get older, sometimes we fall into I know it
all and this is the way I've done it, and
this has been my formula for success. And Jerry was
never that way. Yes, when I would ask a question
in forty five minutes later, but he wanted to know
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what I knew, and that's often where the conversation started.
He was, as to the very end, was looking to
pick other people's brains about what's going on and how
they have evolved. It was an amazing listener, and he
was all. He never approached it like when he would
approach great players.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
He would it wasn't like, let.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Me tell you how this works.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He would ask them what's going on.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And when you have somebody who's accomplished with Jerry has accomplished,
and they want to know first where you're coming from.
Now guys feel like you're invested in them, as opposed
to you're just trying to show them the ropes. No,
you understand that this individual ropes might be different than
what I've experienced. Let me see how my knowledge applies
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to their situation. It's nuanced. But that was Jerry to
the very end. Jerry never thought of himself as the logo, right.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, he paches back multiple times, he asked Adam Celber
and David started to change it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, Well, because he was more like, look, I mean
he never lost that.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I'm the kid from West Virginia trying to.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Make it that at his heart was remained and you know,
all of the other stuff didn't change that, and it
was one of the things that made him so a
little crazy and a little endearing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, Rick Buker, the great mister clutch. Jerry West the
logo passed away at eighty six years old, and we're
back after this.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
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super smart guy. They call him the Tall McVeigh. Played
in the NFL. Really really sharp guy drafted JJ McCarthy
so fired up to talk to him today. Jmack with
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Speaker 2 (24:20):
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Speaker 6 (24:22):
Wow, Kevin, that's a good get. You're I know your
booker's on fire.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Will you think.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
He'll answer questions about trading Justine Jefferson or not.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm sure that was part of the deal.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Anyways, Let's start with Joe Burrow, who's on the Men
once again after suffering that season ending risk injury last season.
Burrow has gotten a reputation for being injury prone aka
Glass Joe, and Burrow recognizes his history of fragility so
far in his NFL career.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
It's definitely something I thought about. Yeah, you know, whenever
the injuries start to stack up, it's your football mortality
kind of comes into the back of your mind. So
that's definitely something that I've thought about and something that
I've had to to fight through. It's always a challenge,
it always is, but you know, I'm built for it,
our team is built for it, and the people that
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I have surrounded myself with have been through it with
me as well. So I'm excited about the season. I'm
excited about what we're going to do, and I'm excited
about all the guys we have in the locker.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Right, you know, in the history of pro sports. It's
very rare when you have an all time great talent,
Burrows getting close to that, like you feel like he's
totally different, and they're cut short with injuries, it just
doesn't it doesn't really happen. I mean, Michael Jordan and
Brady were hurt early, stocked and broke a leg early.
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But generally speaking, Grant Hill comes to mind. Well, Grant
Hill and Andrew Luck and where they just fell apart.
Burrows have been different. His injuries have been like you know,
they're not career ending, but they're repetitive. We see injured
players all the time, but you and I can count
like Grant Hill Andrew Luck where you're like, this isn't
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all time. But to Odin, I don't know if. I
don't know if it was all taking because he was
getting and also seven foot guys in the NBA, the
history is a lot of them get hurt.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Listen, I don't I'm not a doctor risk surgeries. Six
months ago and he's still on the men. Does that
sound odd?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Six months Well, I'm not great.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, hopefully he's ready to go in September.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
She did that.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
I mean, we need our quarterbacks healthy in the NFL,
and Burrow is one of the best for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Next up, Josh Allen.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Let's go to another quarterback coming off throwing a career
high eighteen interceptions last season. However, Alan has tweaked his
throwing motion heading into this season in hopes of stepping
up his efficiency.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
I wouldn't call it a complete overhaul of the of
my throwing motion, but definitely some things to work on
and clean up, especially you know, getting along with my
arm and a little bit with my stride, So just
trying to clean that up. And anytime you go through
something like that, sometimes it's gonna feel really good. Sometimes
it's not gonna feel really good. It's just like you know,
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changing the swinging golf. You know, as long as you're
trusting it and you keep working on it each and
every day, results will come.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
It's your guy, Josh Allen. You love you some, Josh Allen.
Although I got him in.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Our quarterback draft, yeah, I think he's the greatest single
talent in the league. I think Mahomes is a combination
of the best talent, most efficient, best playmaker. But in
terms of just the talent size power, yeah, I mean
he's got to he's bigger than Mahomes, got a streak
and throw it as far as Mahomes. He can run
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better than Mahomes. He's just a stronger athlete than Mahomes.
He's just not winning as much. He's got a defensive coach.
PACTOR's got an offensive coach. That's part of it.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I don't know about that. Holmes is much more talented.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
By the way, Allan's rushing numbers last season were down
despite playing in an extra game. His carries were down,
his yards were down, his touchdowns were up, perhaps a
red zone factor.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, as he learns the physician, he can run less.
It's like Lamar Jackson first couple of years, first two,
three years, you run around as you learn the pocket
to win games, and then all of a sudden, you're
four or five, You're like, I'm tired of getting smoked
out here. I'm gonna run less and throwball.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
But the two prior years, the Bills were better as
a team, and they were closer to the Super Bowl.
This season, with Alan rushing less, they were on an
uphill climb the entire season just to win the division.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Can you imagine being a Bills fan You've had Hell,
Jim Kelly and Derman Thomas. Well, I mean, you've had
Jim Kelly and Josh Allen and you're still just knocking
on the door, like every time the Chiefs, you know,
the Chiefs get Len Dawson, they win. They get Mahomes,
they win. Some of these organizations like San Francisco, they
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get Montana, they win. They got Steve Young, they went.
Some of these organizations have won with Nick Foles. Can
you imagine can you imagine having Jim Kelly, who was
completely dominant USFL player, best player in the league by
a mile, comes to the NFL, one of the top
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three players and all this talent. So it's so, it's
so ra Teams like Philadelphia have won with Nick Foles
at quarterback. Tampa's won with Dilfer. Tampa's one with Brad Johnson.
So think about that. Tampa's won super Bowls. Well, no,
Dilper was in Baltimore, my bad. So Tampa's won super
Bowls Brad Johnson with a very old Brady out of
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his prime and Brad Johnson. The Ravens have won with
Dilfer and Joe Flacco and older Joe Flacco and the
Bills have had Jim Kelly and Josh Allen and they're
knocking on the door. That is frustrated to It's really hard.
Final story is the NBA.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
The Lakers still reeling from Danny Hurley stiff arming them
and saying no to the head coaches offer. Now everybody
expects JJ Reddick to be the guy. However, according to
Yahoo Sports, Reddick may not want the job anymore, saying
some folks around the league feel Reddick won't want to
be involved in this circus and he won't want to
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be a second choice.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's interesting. Now.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Listen, I floated to Buker during the commercial breakup theory
about Polinka being in trouble here. If they don't land Reddick,
this search will have been epic disaster.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, then they just get what they've had in recent years,
which is a guy.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Which is yeah, after high profile swings and misses for
the Lakers, the glamour franchise in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I know you don't think it's a great job.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
And apparently Zach Low has her back, and you know
he's like, Lakers isn't a great job.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
It isn't a great job. You think this is crazy
when I say this, what constitutes a great job in
just forget not even NBA. What constitutes great job. You've
either got a great owner of the company, really good management,
and you have capital, Like your company has money, So
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you have one of the poorest owners. With the Lakers,
we're hot and cold on their executive branch and they
have very little draft capital. So and by the way,
they're because of Ad and Lebron, they don't have any
money either. So I mean, forget basketball. What makes a
great job? Ownership, strong management, and capital. What do they have?
(31:42):
I'm sorry brand Sears used to be a big brand. J. C.
Penny was a big brand. I don't care about brand now.
In baseball, I would say the Yankees brand in their history.
The minute they win, money floods in and in the NBA,
the brand can get them the occasional free agent. But
when you have Lebron an AD for the next three years,
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because the Lakers will sile Lebron, the league is not
allowing you a third great player. The new CBA will
not allow it.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
So I would push back against ownership and management, especially
in the NBA. So Doc Rivers is on his so
far he's calling games and the Milwaukee Bucks fire Griffin
and say, hey, Doc, do you want to come coach
Hell yes, I will come and coach Yannis, one of
the best players in the league. You get a call
and says, hey, do you want to come coach Lebron
in ad it's a bit of a circus, but you
get to all NBA players.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
You're jumping at that opportunity.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Clearly not well, And that's where I start to wonder,
why are they?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Why would Hurley?
Speaker 7 (32:43):
I still don't get why he's staying here? Can I
tak it for twenty million dollars less?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But well, I mean again, let's let's you say it's
twenty million dollars less. First of all, he's somewhere that's great,
going to somewhere that's chaotic. The Lakers are not great. Sorry,
look at the West, they're not great, correct, right, So
you're leaving great for chaotic. You're leaving home for three
thousand miles away. You're leaving family and momentum for none
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family or momentum.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Start the family out West? Come on, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And by the way, speaking of chaos, he said, chaos
with the Lakers nil is chaos.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Constantly recruiting your guys.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Is chaos the nil Well, it can be unless you're
Georgia football or Yukon basketball. Like maybe the transfer portal
can be chaos, but it's not with I mean, if
you start looking at like Oregon, Texas Football, Ohio State,
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it's not really that chaotic. They get who they want.
And Yukon Duke during Mike coach K's reign Bill South Kansas,
they get who they want. It's not chaos for everybody.
It's chaos for a large percentage. But I think you're
undervaluing family. I can I'd say this. I know so
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many West Coast people, myself included, that have moved East
and loved lots of things about it. I love the
summers and falls, I love the people. I love the
principled traditional nature of the East.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You, Okay, I get that a West Coast people. For
East Coast people, a lot of them move west when
they're the black seat and the family things aren't great
at home. They can get better opportunities because they're don't
quite getting the opportunity out east. But the East is
more traditional than the West. It's more family oriented, it's
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more historic. So what you don't see a lot is
people that are super successful out east. They run their
law firm, they're the you know, they are super successful
saying let's pack it up and go west. A lot
of East that moves west is because you're finally being
given an opportunity. This is not going to be the
last opportunity for Dan Hurley certainly.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Now Reddick is a guy who's moved around the league
as a player.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Right went to Duke. I don't know that the whole
east to west thing applies to him.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Maybe he'd not Rehddick. But I'm talking of for Reddick,
should he take this job. You know, some people just
feel like a region. Yeah right, I mean just some people.
Dan Hurley feels like the Northeast. I mean, just say this,
But Steve Spurrier felt like the South there.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
But is that a good thing?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, it is a thing.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Would you want anybody to put you in a box
and say, guy.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Steam Jobs felt like Silicon Valley? He felt like an
entrepreneur the West?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What do you? I'm I am amenable to change. I
feel like America.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
I hope I don't feel like Well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Just saying Dan Hurley feels his personality, he's in tensity,
his family is wipe. It feels like.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
We're supposed to constantly be evolving. Well, that does it
mean I stay the same person?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Evolving doesn't mean I can't do I have to move.
You can evolve and not move. Silicon Valley evolves every hour.
Doesn't mean you have to pack up Apple and move
it to Bloomington, Indiana.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
I think it's a little harder for Hurly to change
and evolve when you're in that same bubble you've been
in for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
By the way, and look at all the success he's
had Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon. You didn't need to move
because he's not succeeding. He's crushing it everywhere he goes
in the East.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
You can crush it anywhere. Smart people can can dominate anything.
Come on West Coast, little more challenging.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Oh well, really didn't want the challenge? Then want a
challenge of coaching the circus? Hurly?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, that sounds fun. Hey, Dan, here's our sales pitch.
You want the challenge of coaching a circus? Bring it on,
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Speaker 7 (38:15):
Sunday on Fox, it's the inaugural United Football League Championship
as the Birmingham Stallions take on the San Antonio Bramas.
It all kicks off Sunday at five eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Seen the ratings for this thing For years and years,
I've been preaching about the spring football is gonna word now.
The attendance is still a challenge, but the ratings are fine.
Ratings are very very strong, and the quality of football
when you mesh two leagues together has been pretty good.
So Tonight's MAVs Celtics. I like Dallas to win Game
three convincingly. I think Tatum plays well, but I think
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the role players Kyrie Irving will also be very good
tonight for Dallas, and I think they win. But I'll
say it again, go back to twenty twenty one, Milwaukee Phoenix.
Phoenix feels a lot like Boston. Milwaukee feels like Dallas.
Milwaukee got blown out twice, then went back home. Jannis,
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like Luca, now was banged up. Boston was considered the
better constructed team. But like Boston is, but their star
Booker and now Tatum, you're not quite sure if you
trust them in the big moments to be the guy.
The undisputed best player in the series was no question Yanis.
The undisputed best player in this series is absolutely Luca.
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And then Milwaukee went back home. Dallas going home. Milwaukee
roasted Phoenix by twenty I think it was one twenty
to one hundred or something like that. It was a
roast them, and I think I think Dallas could do
the same tonight. Very similar situations is that we saw
this guy Booker, but everybody was like, big score, but
what else we see? This with Tatum fills the box score?
(40:00):
Do you trust him? Late and in Porzingis's injury is
a real thing. You go to every analytic, every metric,
every data point. Porzingis changes this team. Remember who brought
Porzingis in, Brad Stevens, who coached Tatum, who knows Tatum.
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He's like, we need another all star level player. Drew
Holliday was considered an offensive upgrade over Marcus Smart, both
good defenders. But he went and got another high end
even even with Brown. Tatum. He went and got another
high end offensive player, even with Horford off the bench.
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Derek White like, no, we need another high end score.
We hear he's not a great locker room guy. We
know he gets hurt a lot. But Brad Stevens told
you he coached Tatum. He knew Tatum, he traveled with Tatum,
he saw the tape the game, he knew Tatum. We
need another not that Tatum and Brown aren't elite scores.
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We need another closer. Now that closer is potentially gone off.
Porzingis plays, Boston's gonna win the series. I think if
Porzingis plays, not just tonight, but if he if he
took tonight off and played the rest of the series,
I take Boston. I still pick Boston in six. But
there's a reason Porzingis is there that Tatum's coach. And
now GM is like, now we need another elite scorer.
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All right, you never said that with Jordan. You got
stuff that Jordan didn't have her, didn't do We'll get
a Rodman, We'll get We'll get somebody that can just
play defense, or somebody that can just hit a three.
Jordan was never a great three ball shooter. Same with Kobe.
But with Tatum, you're going out and getting another guy
that could be a one on any night. So I
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think the idea that, well, we're fine without porzingis, No,
you're fine without porzingis in the Eastern Conference playoffs. You're
not fine without Pis for the rest of the series
against Dallas.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
That's the best backcourt in NBA history. Doing did we
get stan.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Van Gundy on the show to talk about Kyrie Irving
and Luca They can't score points, Scott, We're going
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Back to Dallas.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go our two live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for Megan's part of your day. On
a Wednesday game three to night, Dallas Mavericks out played
in Boston. Wheels came off a little Now go back home, Jmac.
Everybody has said it's over interesting story. Christaps Porzingis has
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a rare leg injury. As you pointed out earlier, Porzingis
matters more than people think. So with Porzingis, this team
shoots fifty one percent from the floor. When he's off
the floor, they shoot forty three percent, So he cleans
up a lot his size. With him on the floor,
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they're plus twenty five without him even game their offensive
rating higher. When he's on the floor. The net rating
twenty eight plus twenty eight with Porzingis on the floor
plus two and a half without him. He this Remember
this is not Michael Jordan's Celtics, it's Jason Tatum's. So
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Porzingis is an absolute factor. I like Dallas tonight, though
I think Tatum plays well. But it's interesting. I want
to take you back to twenty twenty one. So Kyrie
and PJ. Washington, the second and third best player have
been hot garbage. Go back to twenty twenty one, Chris
Middleton and Drew Holiday. Through two games, the second and
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third best players stunk and like Dallas, Bucks fell behind
to love Dallas going home. The Bucks went home. So
with the Bucks team, they were losing to a very
well rounded team that we didn't know if they had
a great player in Phoenix, and right now Dallas is
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getting boat raced by a very well constructed team though
were not sure if they have an iconic great player.
The best player in that series was Jannis, unquestionably dealing
with some injuries. The best player in this series is Luca,
clearly dealing with some injuries. HM So and Kyrie Irving,
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I would argue, is more skilled than Chris Middleton and
Drew Holliday. Remember that Phoenix team, like this Boston team,
a lot of talent, Mikhale Bridges, Booker, Chris Paul, DeAndre Ayton,
Jay Crowder, but like Tatum at that time, we looked
at Booker and said, yeah, I give you twenty six
twenty seven a night. But is he the guy? Isn't
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that what we say about Tatum aesthetically pleasing all star level?
But is he the man? So I'm just saying, are
we sure it's over the numbers? Tell you remember Milwaukee?
What did they do in Game three? Went back home,
blew out Phoenix by twenty. If Dallas goes home tonight
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blows out the Celtics by twenty, be very very careful.
Here's Jason Kidd, MAVs coach, on needing a win tonight
in Game three.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Urgesy started for us a while back. So I think
we're used to that. I think the game of basketball
is about makes and misses and capitalizing on mistakes, and
we just haven't had that, you know, opportunity to capitalize.
We'll get he stops, we turned the ball over, we
give up a three. Hopefully we can get you know,
(03:59):
the game is coming down a stretch and we can
capitalize on their mistakes. There's two teams playing, so we
can relax and enjoy this and have fun, and that's
what it's all about. And hopefully we can do that
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I like Dallas tonight. I think their role players, like
the Bucks role players down oh two when they got
back home. The Bucks role players, this is the way
it goes. The Buck's second best player, third best player,
fourth best player. They played very well at home. I
think Derek Lively, a little overwhelmed in Boston, goes back
(04:36):
home more comfortable. I think Kyrie Irving, former Celtic, little
overwhelmed in Boston, goes back home. I think Dallas is
comfortable and wins substantially tonight. With that Rick Buker covering
the leagues, that's nineteen ninety three. He's on Speak today,
our Fox Sports NBA analyst Rick Buker joining us today.
So you know, my I remember that Milwaukee series, and
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we've talked about this generally, stars, Luca Jannis, M J. Kobe.
They're good everywhere, Yeah, but your second, third, fourth, fifth
guys tend to be on average in these big spots,
a little vetter at home. Yep. So my theory is
this does have a little bit of a feel that
Phoenix team, like Boston pretty stacked. We had questions about
(05:20):
their one oh as being a one. Do you think
Dallas does have a shot going forward?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I do.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I still believe they have a chance at winning the
series for a number of the reasons that you've already
pointed out. I also believe, well, I don't know if
we look at k Kyrie Irving purely.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
As a role player, I do believe that.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He was fighting some gremlins in Boston, wanted to show
the Boston fans something, and was doing a little too
much on his own little I supposed to just playing
within the concept of the team. And I do think, Look,
the Mavericks haven't gotten anything out of their bigs, Maxi
Kleeber hasn't given him anything, Daniel Gaffer, Derek at least offensively,
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rebounding wise a little bit, but scoring whise not at all.
And they need that PJ. Washington same thing. I honestly,
I'm looking at Luca in the need for him to
be a better playmaker and to make decisions quicker, because
the Dallas Mavericks are better overall. Daniel Gafford and Derek
Lively and all those guys aren't going to get PJ.
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Washington even aren't going to get things on their own.
Luca's going to be setting that up. He had one
assist in game one and he had eight turnovers in
game two. He has twelve assists and twelve turnovers in
the two games. He has to be a far better
playmaker to get those guys involved, and they are a
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much better team when they have everybody involved. So to me,
that's going to be the big difference. Can Luca And
I don't want to take away from Boston's defense. They've
made things harder on him, much harder on him than
Minnesota did. The matchups are are more difficult for him.
But I just I think he can play a steady
or more efficient game, and that's going to be the difference.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
One of the early comps I made with Luca was
Carmelo Anthony not in great shape, not very good at
the defensive end, and may have trouble playing with others.
There are videos circulating on the internet. I saw one yesterday.
Luca is horrific defensively, Like I mean, it's it is
just not really competing. Now. I think he's better than
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Melo because it's a three ball league and he's brilliant,
and I also think better ball handler, probably better passer.
But that was always the knock on Melo, which is
struggles to play with others, doesn't really commited the defensive end.
When I watch those Luca clips against the Celtics, now,
is it injury or yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think the the whatever he's dealing with, that's part
of it. He's never been a great defender, No, but
he's been better over the course of this season, yes,
than he's ever been.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The word.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And Boston also has enough offensive players and guys with
who can handle where they can go at Luca and
they that's one of the things are that's what they
have done that Minnesota did not do. But they have
the personnel to do that. So I'm going to put
some of the issues that he's had defensively on where
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he is physically, but Boston has made a point of
exposing that, so so good on them for that. I
really do not like your Carmelo comparison at all, though I.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
See it's going to be Mail's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I see the similarities, but Luca is a much smarter
playmaker in involving everybody and getting things done in terms
of being able to get where they want to go
and being three level scorers. I would compare that, and
I do think that Carmelo is one of those guys
who left a lot on the table in terms of
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what he could have been.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh totally right. Yeah, But I'm not saying it's a
perfect comp but it was when everybody fell in love
with Luca, I said, the condition the defense couldn't get
along with Brunton or porzingis. I said, there's stuff there
that I don't love. You know what.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
This is one element that I agree with in that
and we see it go back and forth with Luca.
I think Luca is trying to be a better distributor
and teammate.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Because it has been.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, but my problem is is when and we saw
it in We saw a lot of it in Game one.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
We saw some of it in Game two. When things
kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Fall apart or they need a boost, he becomes very like,
I'm going to do it, and it really kind of
will get his numbers and he'll hit some shots, but
it the rest of the team doesn't play the same way, right,
And that is that's what Mellow did a lot and
would undermine his team.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So I'm gonna save Jerry West for the end because
I know you have thoughts on that and know Jerry.
The Dan Hurley situation with the Lakers interesting. So there's
the whole thing felt a little odd. He was going
to be on the show today, he's recruiting, He'll be
there tomorrow here tomorrow. You know, there's the parts of
it that are like, you know, one reporter, Sean said,
(10:13):
it's JJ's job. So I want to start with that.
JJ had no experience, he was a podcaster, and in
order for JJ to work, My take was he better
get a great staff. Ye take me through through what
you heard about it's JJ's job, because now it seems
like he's not in the running. It was that true.
Did you believe it was his job? Why? Why did
(10:34):
it erode quickly? Why did it regress over the course
of like four days.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, it wasn't his job, but it was what the
Lakers wanted to do if they could put the right
staff around them.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Okay, so the staff meant a lot to the Lakers
thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
They were like, we can see this working, but we
have to have the right guys on the bill.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Those guys were not willing to be JJ's caddy. I mean,
James Brigo, Sam Cassel, like, those are the guys that
they're interviewing, and everybody took it as they're interviewing them
for the head coach. They're competing with JJ for the job. No,
the Lakers wanted those guys to be on the staff
supporting JJ because they've got far more experience. James de
(11:14):
Rego actually has head coaching experience in Charlotte, and those guys,
from what I understand, weren't willing to do it, either
because of the role or the money that was being offered.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So they're like, Okay, we.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Need to pivot like this this isn't going to work.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What else can we do?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So did they pivot to Hurley or did Hurley reach
out because he hadn't signed a contract.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
My understanding is that they pivoted to Hurley because they
found out that Hurley had not signed. They thought he
has the six year, forty eight million, They didn't know
he was available, and they found out, oh, he might
be available.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Now, whether Hurley.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Did it with the idea of I don't like my
deal because the deal that was sitting on his desk
that he had not signed less than what Bill self
is making in Kansas. I'm Dan Hurley. I've just won
back to back championships. I may be going for a third.
I should be the highest, Like there shouldn't even be
a question. I should at least be paid on par.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Ten million a year, And he was looking at seven
and a half ish year eight okay, I think yeah,
around there, So he was looking for a little raise.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So he was looking for a raise at which I
would expect his like everybody's reporting, he's now signing six
years fifty from what the governor of Connecticut has said.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Like he should be.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He should be.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Paid on par with Bill self. I would expect that deal.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Is going to end up being ten per He's going
to get that. So he got that essentially out of
the Lakers dalliance. But I do think that if the
Lakers had come correct, if they had made a can't refuse.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Offer, that they could have got Hurley.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't think Hurley was just exploring it and using
it as leverage to get a better deal and was
always planning to go back to Yukon and go after
a third championship. I think he saw the opportunity to
make the kind of contract that he couldn't possibly make
at Yukon. And we've gone back and forth on this,
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like people think that, like, well, you're two time champion
and you can go for a third and you can
put yourself in the John Wooden category, Like that's bigger
than being the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Coach another Lakers coach, I.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Respectfully disagree.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
We for all that Hurley has done at Yukon, Like
when it was March Madness, we were talking about Hurley.
Beyond that, nobody's talking about Hurley. As soon as he
became oh he could be the Lakers head coach, it
took his Q rating to a different place. I know
where the Lakers are. I know the job's not great,
But the fact is, being the head coach of the
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law Los Angeles Lakers is going to resonate to a
greater audience.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's going to make you more visible.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Then.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah, But however many championships you win in Yukon.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Let me push back. Nick Saban was more visible going
to the NFL than he tain't. Like, more visible's great
if you're winning understood more visible. Being fired is not
good for the brand, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But but that's what happens after you get there, right like,
And if you're Dan Hurley, you're thinking, if they give
me enough money and they give me enough time, I
can make that work. You don't have the success that
Dan Hurley has had if you don't believe that no
matter where you go, you can make it work. Because
and he has the track record. He went to Wagner,
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they were a losing, losing program. They were a winner
when he left top of the conference, went to Rhode Island,
losing record, turned it around, took him to the top,
and now with Yukon. So if I'm Dan Hurley, the
reason I'm taking the Lakers job is yeah, I know
what it looks.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Like right now.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
But if you give me time, I can turn this
into a winner, because I always have.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I want to talk about Jerry West. I said
he was almost singular. There's certainly an argument he's the
greatest executive of all time. Of the four best dynasties,
you can argue he created three of them. I think
he played a bigger role in Golden State, where he
said he'd resign if they move Clay for Kevin Love
where he told them move off Montelis, get get size,
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where he've embraced Steph very early, where he whispered into
Katie's ear, You're gonna get easier shots out here than
you are with Westbrook. I mean, so I said earlier today,
I'm like, I think Michaels probably viewed as the best player.
I view Jerry as the best executive. One a is
pat Riley. That's my worldview on it. Is that inaccurate?
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How do you land on Jerry?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
This is why I'm always amazed when people don't put
him in the top three or four all time Lakers.
And it's a combination of what he was as a
player and what he was as an executive.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And I mean, this news is kind of hard for.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Me because Jerry was, as you said, a singular guy,
and you I would joke about it like i would
get on the phone with him and I'd ask him
one question and I'd have a lot of questions for him.
I'd ask him one question and forty five minutes later,
I'm waiting.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
To ask my second question. His breadth of knowledge is.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean, he just and it was one of the
things that made him so special as an executive because
he could talk to great players. As a great player,
he never lost he never lost that feel for what
it meant to be a great player, even when he
became an executive and his going and getting and at
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the same time he figured out ways to make the
front office uh numbers details work. I mean his his
getting Shack from Orlando to to the Lakers was no
small feat at that time. That was that was that
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took a lot of heavy lifting. But the the other
part was that for all that he did, there was
a humility about him.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There's no quo. I always felt he never lost there's
a vulnerable I've said this about Tom Brady, considering how
good he looks and how good he's been, there was
always sort of a like like Bill runs the show,
I'm just a quarterback. There is a humility to Jerry. Now,
Jerry could be very relentless. If you looked at his childhood.
All of our childhood shape our personalities as adults. Sure,
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but there was I mean, he stre when he made
that Shack deal. I can remember reading a story where
he said he he got sick. Yeah, it was such
a big deal, and Shack was regarded as literally an
immovable unicorn. There was no shack. He made the deal,
he felt for the Bus family, for the city of
Los Angeles. He was so nervous that I guess he
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got sick physically.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Well he I mean, he couldn't watch games. He would
get on the car. He would get into his car
and drive on the freeways and listen to games because
he couldn't stand just sitting there in the stands watching games.
And it looked, I mean that some of our greatest
assets are also our biggest defects, right, And And what
drove him and what kind of fueled that humility was
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this feeling like if I don't work as hard as
I possibly can, I'm I'm not gonna make it. I'm
going to lose, I'm going to be I'm gonna not
be good enough. And it was almost like a paranoia
and and an obsession to work as hard as he did.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
And so that fueled him.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But at the time it made him a little crazy too,
I mean, he was he was known as he was
known as both the Logo and l Loco. He had
both nicknames and lived up to both of them. But man,
what just a tortured human being in some ways, but
just a genuine I got to tell you, just between
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losing Bill and now losing Jerry, Like, those are two
guys that were They brought such a humanity to the league.
If you were in the league and you got a
chance to know them, That's what made the NBA so special,
is the fabric of it and the people that you
got to know and who they were.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, the NFL's always been very corporate. Basketball has been
the artist league. That's what I always feel that basketball,
NBA basketball is similar to international soccer that MESSI may
be flawed and Rinaldo's not perfect, but this is an
open canvas. The ball is yours make art. Football is
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diagram a lot of practices. It's marching band, stay on task,
that's right, it's marching band. Basketball is where our great
sports artists live. Same with international soccer. Yeah, and so
because of that, aesthetics matter.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And personality does too. Yeah, Like the personality of somebody
is visible and informs how they play.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So a flawed player that I mean, for a long time,
Kareem was the best player on the planet, but he
was never really embraced because it was a bit prickly
doctor j There was more flavor, there was more color.
There was magic, I mean magic Johnson like right, So
it's like in basketball, these are artists that can You're
gonna spill some paint, yeah, right, Like the greatest players
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shoot forty eight percent. There's a lot of paint to
be spilled. And so when I look at Jerry and
I look at his the logo at loco, that's part
of basketball, his tough childhood. There's also something to be
said about small state or small town. People who go
to big cities have sort of that intuitive fear like, oh,
I'm a little kid, small town and it drives them forever.
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Jerry always felt a little West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
One thousand percent, without question, as long as you could
put the suit, I mean you just take take a
look at that, Like you can put a suit and
tie on him, small town kid, but he's still he's
still got that West Virginia look to him.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
What's interesting about Jerry is a lot of times as
people age in any industry, you know, the young don't
really listen. Yeah, the young, they're disconnected. It's the old guy.
It is fascinating to see the reverence. Michael Kobe Durant Lebron.
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There's a reverence to a mid eighty year old guy,
and I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
A big part of it was the fact that as
we get older, sometimes we fall into I know it
all and this is the way I've done it, and
this has been my formula for success. And Jerry was
never that way. Yes, when I would ask a question
in forty five minutes later, but he wanted to know
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what I knew, and that's often where the conversation started.
He was, as to the very end, was looking to
pick other people's brains about what's going on and how
they have evolved. It was an amazing listener, and he
was all. He never approached it like when he would
approach great players.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
He would it wasn't like, let.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Me tell you how this works.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He would ask them what's going on.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And when you have somebody who's accomplished with Jerry has accomplished,
and they want to know first where you're coming from.
Now guys feel like you're invested in them, as opposed
to you're just trying to show them the ropes. No,
you understand that this individual ropes might be different than
what I've experienced. Let me see how my knowledge applies
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to their situation. It's nuanced. But that was Jerry to
the very end. Jerry never thought of himself as the logo, right.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, he paches back multiple times, he asked Adam Celber
and David started to change it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, Well, because he was more like, look, I mean
he never lost that.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I'm the kid from West Virginia trying to.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Make it that at his heart was remained and you know,
all of the other stuff didn't change that, and it
was one of the things that made him so a
little crazy and a little endearing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, Rick Buker, the great mister clutch. Jerry West the
logo passed away at eighty six years old, and we're
back after this.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (23:59):
Welcome backn O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings. Super
super smart guy. They call him the Tall McVeigh. Played
in the NFL. Really really sharp guy drafted JJ McCarthy
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Speaker 2 (24:20):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Wow, Kevin, that's a good get. You're I know your
booker's on fire.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Will you think.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
He'll answer questions about trading Justine Jefferson or not.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm sure that was part of the deal.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Anyways, Let's start with Joe Burrow, who's on the Men
once again after suffering that season ending risk injury last season.
Burrow has gotten a reputation for being injury prone aka
Glass Joe, and Burrow recognizes his history of fragility so
far in his NFL career.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
It's definitely something I thought about. Yeah, you know, whenever
the injuries start to stack up, it's your football mortality
kind of comes into the back of your mind. So
that's definitely something that I've thought about and something that
I've had to to fight through. It's always a challenge,
it always is, but you know, I'm built for it,
our team is built for it, and the people that
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I have surrounded myself with have been through it with
me as well. So I'm excited about the season. I'm
excited about what we're going to do, and I'm excited
about all the guys we have in the locker.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Right, you know, in the history of pro sports. It's
very rare when you have an all time great talent,
Burrows getting close to that, like you feel like he's
totally different, and they're cut short with injuries, it just
doesn't it doesn't really happen. I mean, Michael Jordan and
Brady were hurt early, stocked and broke a leg early.
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But generally speaking, Grant Hill comes to mind. Well, Grant
Hill and Andrew Luck and where they just fell apart.
Burrows have been different. His injuries have been like you know,
they're not career ending, but they're repetitive. We see injured
players all the time, but you and I can count
like Grant Hill Andrew Luck where you're like, this isn't
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all time. But to Odin, I don't know if. I
don't know if it was all taking because he was
getting and also seven foot guys in the NBA, the
history is a lot of them get hurt.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Listen, I don't I'm not a doctor risk surgeries. Six
months ago and he's still on the men. Does that
sound odd?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Six months Well, I'm not great.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, hopefully he's ready to go in September.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
She did that.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
I mean, we need our quarterbacks healthy in the NFL,
and Burrow is one of the best for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Next up, Josh Allen.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Let's go to another quarterback coming off throwing a career
high eighteen interceptions last season. However, Alan has tweaked his
throwing motion heading into this season in hopes of stepping
up his efficiency.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
I wouldn't call it a complete overhaul of the of
my throwing motion, but definitely some things to work on
and clean up, especially you know, getting along with my
arm and a little bit with my stride, So just
trying to clean that up. And anytime you go through
something like that, sometimes it's gonna feel really good. Sometimes
it's not gonna feel really good. It's just like you know,
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changing the swinging golf. You know, as long as you're
trusting it and you keep working on it each and
every day, results will come.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
It's your guy, Josh Allen. You love you some, Josh Allen.
Although I got him in.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Our quarterback draft, yeah, I think he's the greatest single
talent in the league. I think Mahomes is a combination
of the best talent, most efficient, best playmaker. But in
terms of just the talent size power, yeah, I mean
he's got to he's bigger than Mahomes, got a streak
and throw it as far as Mahomes. He can run
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better than Mahomes. He's just a stronger athlete than Mahomes.
He's just not winning as much. He's got a defensive coach.
PACTOR's got an offensive coach. That's part of it.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I don't know about that. Holmes is much more talented.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
By the way, Allan's rushing numbers last season were down
despite playing in an extra game. His carries were down,
his yards were down, his touchdowns were up, perhaps a
red zone factor.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, as he learns the physician, he can run less.
It's like Lamar Jackson first couple of years, first two,
three years, you run around as you learn the pocket
to win games, and then all of a sudden, you're
four or five, You're like, I'm tired of getting smoked
out here. I'm gonna run less and throwball.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
But the two prior years, the Bills were better as
a team, and they were closer to the Super Bowl.
This season, with Alan rushing less, they were on an
uphill climb the entire season just to win the division.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Can you imagine being a Bills fan You've had Hell,
Jim Kelly and Derman Thomas. Well, I mean, you've had
Jim Kelly and Josh Allen and you're still just knocking
on the door, like every time the Chiefs, you know,
the Chiefs get Len Dawson, they win. They get Mahomes,
they win. Some of these organizations like San Francisco, they
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get Montana, they win. They got Steve Young, they went.
Some of these organizations have won with Nick Foles. Can
you imagine can you imagine having Jim Kelly, who was
completely dominant USFL player, best player in the league by
a mile, comes to the NFL, one of the top
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three players and all this talent. So it's so, it's
so ra Teams like Philadelphia have won with Nick Foles
at quarterback. Tampa's won with Dilfer. Tampa's one with Brad Johnson.
So think about that. Tampa's won super Bowls. Well, no,
Dilper was in Baltimore, my bad. So Tampa's won super
Bowls Brad Johnson with a very old Brady out of
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his prime and Brad Johnson. The Ravens have won with
Dilfer and Joe Flacco and older Joe Flacco and the
Bills have had Jim Kelly and Josh Allen and they're
knocking on the door. That is frustrated to It's really hard.
Final story is the NBA.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
The Lakers still reeling from Danny Hurley stiff arming them
and saying no to the head coaches offer. Now everybody
expects JJ Reddick to be the guy. However, according to
Yahoo Sports, Reddick may not want the job anymore, saying
some folks around the league feel Reddick won't want to
be involved in this circus and he won't want to
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be a second choice.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's interesting. Now.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Listen, I floated to Buker during the commercial breakup theory
about Polinka being in trouble here. If they don't land Reddick,
this search will have been epic disaster.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, then they just get what they've had in recent years,
which is a guy.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Which is yeah, after high profile swings and misses for
the Lakers, the glamour franchise in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I know you don't think it's a great job.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
And apparently Zach Low has her back, and you know
he's like, Lakers isn't a great job.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
It isn't a great job. You think this is crazy
when I say this, what constitutes a great job in
just forget not even NBA. What constitutes great job. You've
either got a great owner of the company, really good management,
and you have capital, Like your company has money, So
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you have one of the poorest owners. With the Lakers,
we're hot and cold on their executive branch and they
have very little draft capital. So and by the way,
they're because of Ad and Lebron, they don't have any
money either. So I mean, forget basketball. What makes a
great job? Ownership, strong management, and capital. What do they have?
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I'm sorry brand Sears used to be a big brand. J. C.
Penny was a big brand. I don't care about brand now.
In baseball, I would say the Yankees brand in their history.
The minute they win, money floods in and in the NBA,
the brand can get them the occasional free agent. But
when you have Lebron an AD for the next three years,
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because the Lakers will sile Lebron, the league is not
allowing you a third great player. The new CBA will
not allow it.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
So I would push back against ownership and management, especially
in the NBA. So Doc Rivers is on his so
far he's calling games and the Milwaukee Bucks fire Griffin
and say, hey, Doc, do you want to come coach
Hell yes, I will come and coach Yannis, one of
the best players in the league. You get a call
and says, hey, do you want to come coach Lebron
in ad it's a bit of a circus, but you
get to all NBA players.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
You're jumping at that opportunity.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Clearly not well, And that's where I start to wonder,
why are they?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Why would Hurley?
Speaker 7 (32:43):
I still don't get why he's staying here? Can I
tak it for twenty million dollars less?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But well, I mean again, let's let's you say it's
twenty million dollars less. First of all, he's somewhere that's great,
going to somewhere that's chaotic. The Lakers are not great. Sorry,
look at the West, they're not great, correct, right, So
you're leaving great for chaotic. You're leaving home for three
thousand miles away. You're leaving family and momentum for none
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family or momentum.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Start the family out West? Come on, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And by the way, speaking of chaos, he said, chaos
with the Lakers nil is chaos.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Constantly recruiting your guys.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Is chaos the nil Well, it can be unless you're
Georgia football or Yukon basketball. Like maybe the transfer portal
can be chaos, but it's not with I mean, if
you start looking at like Oregon, Texas Football, Ohio State,
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it's not really that chaotic. They get who they want.
And Yukon Duke during Mike coach K's reign Bill South Kansas,
they get who they want. It's not chaos for everybody.
It's chaos for a large percentage. But I think you're
undervaluing family. I can I'd say this. I know so
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many West Coast people, myself included, that have moved East
and loved lots of things about it. I love the
summers and falls, I love the people. I love the
principled traditional nature of the East.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You, Okay, I get that a West Coast people. For
East Coast people, a lot of them move west when
they're the black seat and the family things aren't great
at home. They can get better opportunities because they're don't
quite getting the opportunity out east. But the East is
more traditional than the West. It's more family oriented, it's
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more historic. So what you don't see a lot is
people that are super successful out east. They run their
law firm, they're the you know, they are super successful
saying let's pack it up and go west. A lot
of East that moves west is because you're finally being
given an opportunity. This is not going to be the
last opportunity for Dan Hurley certainly.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Now Reddick is a guy who's moved around the league
as a player.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Right went to Duke. I don't know that the whole
east to west thing applies to him.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Maybe he'd not Rehddick. But I'm talking of for Reddick,
should he take this job. You know, some people just
feel like a region. Yeah right, I mean just some people.
Dan Hurley feels like the Northeast. I mean, just say this,
But Steve Spurrier felt like the South there.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
But is that a good thing?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, it is a thing.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Would you want anybody to put you in a box
and say, guy.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Steam Jobs felt like Silicon Valley? He felt like an
entrepreneur the West?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What do you? I'm I am amenable to change. I
feel like America.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
I hope I don't feel like Well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Just saying Dan Hurley feels his personality, he's in tensity,
his family is wipe. It feels like.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
We're supposed to constantly be evolving. Well, that does it
mean I stay the same person?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Evolving doesn't mean I can't do I have to move.
You can evolve and not move. Silicon Valley evolves every hour.
Doesn't mean you have to pack up Apple and move
it to Bloomington, Indiana.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
I think it's a little harder for Hurly to change
and evolve when you're in that same bubble you've been
in for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
By the way, and look at all the success he's
had Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon. You didn't need to move
because he's not succeeding. He's crushing it everywhere he goes
in the East.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
You can crush it anywhere. Smart people can can dominate anything.
Come on West Coast, little more challenging.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Oh well, really didn't want the challenge? Then want a
challenge of coaching the circus? Hurly?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, that sounds fun. Hey, Dan, here's our sales pitch.
You want the challenge of coaching a circus? Bring it on,
nohing j Mack with a news.
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Speaker 7 (38:15):
Sunday on Fox, it's the inaugural United Football League Championship
as the Birmingham Stallions take on the San Antonio Bramas.
It all kicks off Sunday at five eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Seen the ratings for this thing For years and years,
I've been preaching about the spring football is gonna word now.
The attendance is still a challenge, but the ratings are fine.
Ratings are very very strong, and the quality of football
when you mesh two leagues together has been pretty good.
So Tonight's MAVs Celtics. I like Dallas to win Game
three convincingly. I think Tatum plays well, but I think
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the role players Kyrie Irving will also be very good
tonight for Dallas, and I think they win. But I'll
say it again, go back to twenty twenty one, Milwaukee Phoenix.
Phoenix feels a lot like Boston. Milwaukee feels like Dallas.
Milwaukee got blown out twice, then went back home. Jannis,
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like Luca, now was banged up. Boston was considered the
better constructed team. But like Boston is, but their star
Booker and now Tatum, you're not quite sure if you
trust them in the big moments to be the guy.
The undisputed best player in the series was no question Yanis.
The undisputed best player in this series is absolutely Luca.
(39:37):
And then Milwaukee went back home. Dallas going home. Milwaukee
roasted Phoenix by twenty I think it was one twenty
to one hundred or something like that. It was a
roast them, and I think I think Dallas could do
the same tonight. Very similar situations is that we saw
this guy Booker, but everybody was like, big score, but
what else we see? This with Tatum fills the box score?
(40:00):
Do you trust him? Late and in Porzingis's injury is
a real thing. You go to every analytic, every metric,
every data point. Porzingis changes this team. Remember who brought
Porzingis in, Brad Stevens, who coached Tatum, who knows Tatum.
(40:25):
He's like, we need another all star level player. Drew
Holliday was considered an offensive upgrade over Marcus Smart, both
good defenders. But he went and got another high end
even even with Brown. Tatum. He went and got another
high end offensive player, even with Horford off the bench.
(40:46):
Derek White like, no, we need another high end score.
We hear he's not a great locker room guy. We
know he gets hurt a lot. But Brad Stevens told
you he coached Tatum. He knew Tatum, he traveled with Tatum,
he saw the tape the game, he knew Tatum. We
need another not that Tatum and Brown aren't elite scores.
(41:06):
We need another closer. Now that closer is potentially gone off.
Porzingis plays, Boston's gonna win the series. I think if
Porzingis plays, not just tonight, but if he if he
took tonight off and played the rest of the series,
I take Boston. I still pick Boston in six. But
there's a reason Porzingis is there that Tatum's coach. And
now GM is like, now we need another elite scorer.
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All right, you never said that with Jordan. You got
stuff that Jordan didn't have her, didn't do We'll get
a Rodman, We'll get We'll get somebody that can just
play defense, or somebody that can just hit a three.
Jordan was never a great three ball shooter. Same with Kobe.
But with Tatum, you're going out and getting another guy
that could be a one on any night. So I
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think the idea that, well, we're fine without porzingis, No,
you're fine without porzingis in the Eastern Conference playoffs. You're
not fine without Pis for the rest of the series
against Dallas.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
That's the best backcourt in NBA history. Doing did we
get stan.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Van Gundy on the show to talk about Kyrie Irving
and Luca They can't score points, Scott, We're going
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Back to Dallas.
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