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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, First things first, after our show, we got
a lot of different things to talk about. J McK
and I are on different sides on Caitlin Clark. I
think flagrant fowls are part of the NBA and the
w NBA. I also think the w NBA is a
little like baseball, where it's very insular. They've often felt ignored.
It's sort of a prove yourself league. Bryce Harper came
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into Major League baseball. All you heard was this chorus
of there's a way to play. He got into a
fistfight with one of his own teammates. Baseball thinks the
NBA in the NFL get far more publicity. You don't
understand our league. It's it's like there's a little military
feel to it, a Greek system. A hazing that is
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part of Major League baseball. If you come in as
a hot shot, and the WNBA has for years lamented
their second class travel, nobody pays attention to US. So
even though Caitlin Clark is the reason they've upgraded travel
and the reason they're getting attention, it is very predictable
that they're a bit insular and provincial, and they're saying,
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prove it. You're getting all you're you're you're getting all
this publicity. Prove it. We have a real league. We
were fine without you, even though truthfully they haven't made
any money. The WNBA hasn't. Chris Bruce hard is joining
us so j Max on one side, he didn't like
the flagrant foul, and I understand the arguments that Listen.
You know it's the old Golden goose. She she's providing
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all this attention. You're going to get a better TV contract.
But I'm saying the NBA had one hundred and thirty
flagrant fouls this year. The w NBA last year had
exactly half of that in half the games. So flagrant
fouls are part of the sport, men's and women's and
I think women's basketball. If you didn't watch the WNBA,
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it's it's been a chippy league. It's not as vertical
as men's basketball. You don't jump over other players. It
gets very physical. Brew what side of you on what
do you make of this current controversy that I don't
think is the controversy. It's just new kid on the block.
They want to make her prove it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I don't think this one should be controversial. There's
been a lot of controversy with her, most notably the
last time they played the Chicago Sky But this time, Look,
I'm fine with them calling it a flagrant because the
contact obviously, I mean she smacked her upside the head,
all right, and if you see that in the NBA game,
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it probably is called a flagrant one. Now with everybody
worried about concussions, I understand that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But when I look at.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The letter of their law, their rule book, that just
says if contact is unnecessary, then it's a flagrant, I don't.
I mean, that was a basketball play, Like I watched
that from various angles, and Angel reads to me looked
like she was trying to block the shot, like she
her eyes were not on Clark once Clark started shooting,
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they were on the ball. So if I thought if
she was looking at Clark and she purposely hit her
like that, that'd be flagrant.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But I thought she was actually really going for the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She did wind up, but she wound up looking for
the ball, and I think just hit Caitlyn, So it
could have just been a regular fouled I mean, it
was a hard foul, but I don't know that it
needed to be called a flagrant. But the controversy I
don't think needs to be there. Every time Clark gets
fouled out hard. It doesn't have to be a controversy, right,
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And that's what we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
For the record, Diana Tarassi got a flagrant last year.
It's not just the villains. I do think who Angel
Rees has had a very good rookie season. Now she's
a different player than Caitlyn Clark, but she's a rebounder
and a shop blocker. I think she's leaning into the
villain because historically Rodman Draymond Green, there's a place in
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every movie for conflict. I think she's leaning into it.
I'm okay with that. Does it feel like it's her
style or she's kind of like, this is my moment,
I'm gonna lean into it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I do think she's leaning into it. There's no question.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Like she said, it's you know, the game between LSU
and Iowa a couple of years ago is what sparked,
you know, the huge popularity in college basketball for women
and now the WNBA. So she doesn't want to be forgotten.
She wants to be a part of this. It's not
just Caitlyn, it's me and Caitlyn. Like I'm magic, She's bird.
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Or reverse it if you want, but whatever the case,
I think that's how she's looking at it. Look Caitlyn,
as you said, Caitlyn is the reason that I mean
you look at Caitlyn Clark's games. Her attendance is over
fifteen thousand for all her games home. More way, the
other team's average up little over seven thousand, So the.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
TV ratings are up.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
All her games are skyrocketed in the ratings relatively speaking,
it's Caitlyn Clark, a little maybe a little angel rees
playing the villain role.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think plays into it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
When she said last I don't know if it was yesterday,
but after the she said, after the game, you're gonna
play this twenty times before Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Right to me, she's playing into it, and.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think it's fine because he could work for in
terms of marketing.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It does help the league, Colin, even.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Though a lot of commentators want to complain, you're not
talking about basketball, You're just talking about Caitlyn and race
and gender and this, and that it's still good for
the enjoy it and reap the fruit.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, I think it's great. I mean, I've never talked
this much WNBA in my life, and I think it's
it's it's you know. What I also said, we have
to be honest about this is that a lot of
people never watch the WNBA. They parachute in and now
they're outraged. And I'm like, I don't care if it's
politics or sports. If you didn't care about something six
months ago, don't tell me it's keeping you awake at
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night now. And I do think you know what I mean, like,
it's give me a break. But I will say this
is that we do have examples of this. I mean,
I don't care if you're a junior senator. I don't
care if you're Bryce Harper. A lot of people are
saying it's a it's a racial issue, and I'm sure
there's a component. I think it's a lot of things
converging at the same time. But do you remember Bryce Harper?
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I mean Bryce Harper got into five. I mean they
were throwing at him for three years. People have forgotten
that this is sort of the way sports works. Like
a lot of time, I don't remember Lebron's rookie year,
but it's kind of the way sports works, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, totally like Lebron's rookie year.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You had Ricky Davis saying, it's my team, you know,
you had Darius Miles talking about the young we gonna
you know, he's coming in, but it's our team, and
Lebron played into it like, hey, yeah, it is their team.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He was smart, That's how he was. But obviously you
go back to Michael Jordan and I will say allegedly
Colin because Isaiah Thomas is a friend of mine, and
he denies this. But we remember the freeze out in
the All Star Game. Yeah, Michael Jordan, Yes, yeah, he
was a rookie, and this is what happens when you
have a hot shot.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Remember with Lonzo Ball.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Now, everybody didn't do it, but Patrick Beverly tortured him
his first game.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Picking him up full court. He said, this is because
of his dad.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know, when somebody comes in with a lot of
noise and hooplah and hype, whether it's them or the
media or the public, some players are going to go
after you and try to make you prove you're that good.
And I'm like you, I am fine with it. With
the WNBA. Now, racially, I do think there have been things.
I think the Chicago Tribunes recent column editorial, I think
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that was racist. I think Iowa being invited to the
White House when they didn't win the championship was racism.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But as a runner up.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You know, but some of this is not that though
the WNBA has had white American stars. You mentioned Diana
Tarazi and obviously Breonna Stewart, Bird and Sabrina di Unesco,
like you can.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Go on and on, and.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
None of them got the attention or captured the public's imagination.
Like Caitlyn Clark. It is her style of play that
she was shooting logo threes, that she's a great pastor
who has that, you know, that kind of sixth sense
that a Jason Kidd or Magic Johnson had when they
could see things others couldn't it's her style of play,
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and she went to a program.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Where she was the star and put up huge numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
She wouldn't have done that, probably at Yukon or somewhere
else where they have more talent. But that's why I
think it is. I don't think it's because the race. Well,
of course some people are glad to see, you know,
a white player dominating a black sport. But still, mostly
I think it's just the way she plays. Yeah, and
it's exciting and fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, she's got like NBA range.
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Speaker 1 (09:37):
All right, let's pivot to this. I think the Celtics
are a mature team. They got burned a couple finals
ago when they had a lead, came home and were flat.
I think they take care of business tonight and I
think they go down as one of the most dominating
one season teams. Ever, I don't consider them a dynastic
team going forward. Maybe they are, but I do think
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if they win tonight and they're a mature team, it's
holiday Tatum Brown Porzingis. They're not kids that are high
and low. I know what I'm getting for effort tonight,
they'll play well, what if they beat the MAVs. They
have flown through the finals in the playoffs, what do
we make of them? Do they are they?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's a great question. There's a lot of talk about that.
Now are they in all time great team? You mentioned
one offs, you know, kind of one year championship. I
think there are two, may there's one for sure, maybe
two that won only one championship and are considered like
all time great teams. The eighty three seventy six ers yeh,
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with Moses Malone and Doctor J. And then the seventy
two Lakers with Wilt Jerry West and Gail Goodrich and
they you know, they won thirty three straight games that year.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But those two teams.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Had living, living legends, Like at that point Doctor J
was a living legend. Yeah, had won n MVP three
if you count the ABA. Moses Malone was a three
time MVP. And obviously those Lakers guys were legends. They
were toward the latter parts of their careers. This is
entirely different. So I don't put this Celtics team with
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those two teams. I don't think they're an all time
great team, Colin. I know all the numbers love them,
the analytics, the way they've run through the playoffs is
it's fair to say that, but I think it's going
to be based on what they do going forward. Like
most great teams all time won multiple championships, if they
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only win one and then they go away and next
year somebody else and they never win again, I don't
see how we can think of them as an all
time great team because they also don't have that one
ultra elite superstar right Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown will
be Hall of famers, probably Horford and Drew Holliday if
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they win this series as well, but they are not
in like the top fifteen, top twenty, top twenty five
players of all time, and most of the all time
great teams, including the Sixers and the Lakers that I
mentioned earlier, they have players that are ultra ultra elite
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all time, and I don't think this Celtics team does not.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You and I agree on that, although I do think
there are moments in time where I've said this before
and I'm interested in your take on this, is that
with the new CBA and the apron, what the Celtics
are is what the league is trying to avoid, which
is like seven legitimate players, many of them expensive veterans.
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They're trying for the league to be more like Oklahoma City,
where you draft and develop and you're loyal to your city.
They don't want you taking all star level players from
other good teams and adding them to your all star players. So,
you know, like Derek White, eventually he won't be able
to be on this team, right, so he'll be too expensive.
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So my takeaway is they kind of because they have
a great general manager, they kind of snuck Poor Zingis
from a tanking team. They got Derek White from a
tanking team. They got Drew Holliday from a tanking team.
They're what the league doesn't want is that they do
feel like they have a competitive advantage and eight guys
who can shoot, handle the ball and passed, don't they?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Look Joe Missoula and obviously Brad Stevens had a lot
to do with it. They built a team for analytics.
This is an analytically driven team that essentially shoots three pointers,
shots in the paint, and free throws. They I think
it was Game three. I believe they took like three
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mid range shots or something like. They're analytically built, and
you know, as the copycat league, so other teams are
going to try to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And look, Drew Holliday, we love him.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Now, remember last year he was he did not play
well against Miami when Milwaukee was eliminated in the first round. Yeah,
he shot poorly forty percent I think below thirty percent
from three. Jimmy Butler had a field day with him,
and so at the time, it didn't look like they're
getting this star. Derek White, we know his history, you know,
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hard working guy, great defender, solid, but you know he's
kind of flourished in Boston. And Porzingis made a couple
of All Star teams, but still was viewed as a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Guy that's injured all the time, soft, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And so they fit these guys, the guys they need
for the style they want to play.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have they brought them together? I'll say this, Colin, if
we are we're in an.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Era of parody, right, sixth champion in six different seasons.
If this continues, and say for a fifteen year stretch,
there really aren't many there's no back to back winners.
There aren't many multiple winners. Maybe that in that stace
away and we would look back and say, you know what,
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that Boston team of twenty twenty four, right when you
look at their numbers, they were all time great. But
it'll have to play itself out. We would have thought Denver, right,
We thought Denver might be en route to be in
an all time great team last year, and now we're
not sure about that. So these guys are young enough,
we're Tatum and Brown. Even if there's changes around them,
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they may be able to get them more championships. And
if that's the case, their legend will grow and so
will that of this team.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
First things first, after us, Briw. It's always great seeing
a man. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
All right, Colin, Thanks.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, good stuff. You know. I'm I'm I'm generally not
a fan of parody. I like dynasties because that's what
I've grown up in the NBA, But I Boston's a
good watch and they're just flying through this thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
J Mack with the.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
News turns this is the herdline news art.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
We got our first UFL champion.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
The Birmingham Styles put on a dominant performance against the
San Antonio Bramas Sunday, winning in a twenty five nothing blowout.
Regular season MVP Adrian Martinez was also named MVP of
the Game after leading his team with three total touchdowns.
Third straight championship for the Stallions, who won the USFL
title in twenty two and twenty three.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
This is a dynasty.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Stallions feel like they're totally dominating, unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Actually it does the league. Well, yeah, for a startup league,
a dynasty's great, it really is. You know, in football,
what's funny is we always think it's the sport without dynasties.
Alabama had a twelve year dynasty, Patriots and the Chiefs
now have had a twenty five year dynasty, and the
UFL and new league's got a dynasty. So it's the
bottom line is if you get a good coach and
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the best quarterback in football, whether it's Andy Reid and
Mahomes or it was you know, Nick Saban and a dominating,
you know, defensive front, or here it's Skip Holtz and
the best quarterback in the league, you have a huge advantage.
So we've got dynasties, College Pro and now UFL.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
So we just saw essentially three straight titles in a row.
Will we see the Chiefs match that in February.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
They've had a noisy offseason.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
See another arrest over the weekend. He's got to clean
that locker room up.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Their fans were unhappy with how Kyrie Irving left Boston
a few years ago after stating he was going to
the Nets.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Remember, he recently opened up to.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Fox Sports's Melissa Rowland about why he really left. He
said his grandfather passed away shortly after his announcement to
re sign with the Celtics, and after feeling lost and
hurt that season, he decided he needed to be in
Brooklyn closer to family.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Not everything works, you know, I'll take his word for it.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Not torn on this one.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Like it was a terrible look in Boston at the
time to say I'm coming back, I want my jersey
hanging in the and then you know, five minutes later,
year out.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, young players change their mind.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But he also had a lot of stuff to deal with.
I should he have said, listen, I've got some family issues.
I want to be closer to family. I'm going to Brooklyn.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Should I mean, I don't know what the political way
is to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
What I have found through the years is there's no
way for a star to leave. You'll be mad. Carmelo
Anthony gave you like eight months heads up, I don't
want to be in Denver. People didn't like it. Dwight
Howard did the same thing. I don't want to be here.
I love you. People didn't like it. Yeah, Lebron like
hell the press conference gave to the Boys and Girls Club.
They're burning his jersey in the NBA? What is the way?
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Kyrie Irving, you know, kept it to himself. There is
no way for the best player on your team in
the NBA to leave, and everybody's like, best wish.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Lebron left Cleveland the second time, but that's because people
sort of rolled their eyes at how Cleveland acted. The
first time he won a title, he was right. Then
he came back won in Cleveland, and the second time
Lebron left, everybody was like, you know, the standards for
the Cavaliers or can we have one title? And so
that was different. But I mean the first time it was,
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you know, pretty juvenile and petty.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
But remember a d leaving the Pelicans. That was really
good growth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
For like a month it was back, and people knew
for a year he was going to leave it out. Yeah,
like everybody knew about theirs, so there's no way for
stars to leave.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
One slight difference.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I think every guy you just named had been drafted
by that team.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
He's our savior.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Kyrie was trade forced to trade out of Cleveland, traded
to Boston, and they're like, oh we've got Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We kind of stole him with the calves they gave,
you know, they gave.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Up stuff, some stuff, Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Fans don't like stars to leave, you know, they like
it on their terms, and athletes want rant.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Leaving Okac was ugly. I endorsed that. I will still
defend Katy even.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Though, but I mean, find me the star, you know,
leaving a team Lebron in Cleveland. But that's the second time.
There's different sensibility. Fans don't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
What happened Manning, he had the neck ki.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Nobody, I mean everybody. And also Andrew luck was the
number one pick, so and that was a mutual agreement
between Peyton and Ersay.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Tom Brady and leaving New England. But again Tom had.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Been there twenty years and gotten him a million trophies.
Tom was getting old. Most people in New England, if
he asked him privately, he didn't think he was gonna
go win the Super Bowl and dampo that's and he
also he went to a different conference. He wasn't a
threat and get you do get diminishing returns. I mean,
what more could Brady do?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
We want?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We want a seventh one. So I mean like Brady
was different. He was family and he just said, hey,
I love all of you. The coach and I don't
get along. You know, I'm moving on. I think everybody
was like, thank you for everything you gave us.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
The final story is Ronnie James. The NBA Draft is
next week. Collins and a lot of people are hoping Slash,
wanting him to end up with the Lakers. He's projected
as a late second round pick. Lakers have the fifties
fifth pick.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
In the draft.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
However, Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle does not think Brownie
will be available. Then, when asked if Indiana was looking
at Bronnie, Carlile predicted he would be long gone before
the Pacers draft.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
At forty nine and fifty. Now I'm just.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Saying somebody is going to screw the Lakers here and
Lebron just to mess with.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Did you see Lebron was in Dallas? They Dallas recently.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well I did not see that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And Dallas is apparently interested in Ronnie. I don't know.
I don't want to.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Start anything, but he's just trying to get leverage.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
He's just he's not.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Going to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Dallas is a beautiful place to live, no state tax.
Have you been there Dallas?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I've been to been there.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Am I missing out?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
What kind of cocoon do you live in? I mean,
you haven't been to Dallas.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I've been to Houston for the Super Bowl when Fox One.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I like Dallas.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I grew up on the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I didn't have any invites to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Sometimes you just invite yourself to a good time.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Fly like I did with Nashville. I'm trying to get
you to go to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
With nash Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
You got to be my wingman.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, I'm okay and figured that Jmack with the News,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
The herd.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Lie is big part of America. It's called the Midwest
that instead of flying over you could just land a plane,
get out and go have a cocktail and meet some friends.
It's a lot of nice places. Chicago and the Plain States,
dall At Kansas City, Wisconsin, the Dell's which you thought
was a shopping center.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Did you say Chicago yet or not?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I was in Chicago this weekend on a boat on
the lake, having an unbelievable time.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Are you like, unofficially the mayor of Chicago?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Now, I'm not. I don't want to be anything political,
but I will tell you it is hard to have
a bad time in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
It is.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
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Speaker 1 (23:33):
Be back in Nick Right, Chris Brussard, Kevin Wilds after
the show. We've been talking about a lot today. Aaron
Rodgers did not go to the mandatory mini camp, and
Robert Sala called an unexcused absence when he went to
the podium. And I asked Albert Breer earlier today if
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using that phrasing by Robert Sala, the young coach for
the Jets on the hot seat, was that a mistake?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
No, because I think that they felt like internally it
would be opening Pandora's box if they did excuse it.
They could have twenty guys next year coming to them
and asking for mandatory mini camp or something else mandatory
off if they allowed this. And I think the important
thing is the way it was handled internally. They went
to Aaron and sat down and talked to him about
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this and talked through the whole thing and I'm not
saying Aaron loves the idea of being fined, but he
did understand why it was an unexcused absence, you know,
with the line there being one team, one set of rules,
and you know, here's the other part of it, Colin,
Like I think the Spring is for is more for
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guys who are in year two, year three, year four,
year five, and they really felt like through the ten
OTA practices they were able to get enough out of it,
or they could make the mini camp something that could
be a little bit more geared towards some of those
younger guys. Aaron got the work that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
He needed to get in.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
We could argue about the the handling and of handling
of it, of course, Like I personally would have loved
to have seen Aaron Rodgers come out and explain it
himself so his coaches or his teammates wouldn't have to.
But I don't think this is going to be a
big deal when the Jets report in the summer. I
think it's a big deal because nothing's happening in the
NFL right now in the middle of June.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So Trevor Lawrence signed an extension. I do wonder because
that city It feels like Ken Griffy with the Mariners,
like he was basically going to get Safec built. He
saved the team from leaving again. And I feel like
Trevor Lawrence is franchise. If they were in London in
four years, I wouldn't be shocked. I kind of feel
his circumstances are different than Tua and Dak. They just are.
(25:49):
He was a number one pick. He's been viewed as
sort of generational, maybe disappointing. But do you think the
Trevor Lawrence contract changes the market?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
No, because I think all these guys were going to
get paid in this range, like over fifty, not too
much over fifty. I mean, I'd ask you, Colin, would
you rather have Trevor or Tua? Would you rather have
Trevor or Dak? Would you rather have Trevor or Jordan Love?
And I think for most NFL teams at least, the
answer would be they'd rather have Trevor than those three guys.
So paying him before those three guys got paid makes
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perfect sense, because if any of those guys got to
a certain point, you were going to have to leap
frog them. I mean, ultimately, I think this is about
paying him for where you think he's going to be,
not where he is right now. Is he the type
of generational guy that we all thought he might be,
you know back in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, maybe not,
you know, like because you know, I think he was seen,
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you know, in NFL circles as being on that Luck
Lway Manning type of tier as a prospect. But he's
been a really good player and his circumstances have been
really crappy. Came into the league. The Irba Meyer year
was what it was, a complete disaster, comes back in
year two, had a great second year.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
In the league, right like in Lee's one of the.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Greatest playoff comebacks in NFL history, and then had a
little bit of a bumpy third year. And so I
think if you look at a kid who's sort of
ridden all of that out, there are a lot of
guys who I think would be in a worse spot
that he's in. And I think they believe that if
they can stabilize things around him, they're gonna get a
much better player in year five, year six, year seven.
Here's the other thing. If Doug Peterson doesn't wind up
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being the guy in Jacksonville. The next guy's not going
to throw Trevor Lawrence out. The next guy's going to
be telling ownership. I can make it work. I can
enhance Trevor Lawrence, which is another reason to take care
of him now.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I don't think Brandon Nyuk is going to be a
Niner at the trade deadline. I think this offense runs
through Shanahan's brain and Christian McCaffrey's feet legs. I think
Ayuk is replaceable. They drafted two receivers, they resigned Jennings,
and I think he's a really good player that a
team like New England could use, you know, or maybe
at Carolina. What is your take on the stories today
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that they're not close the Niners in Iuk, who's really
a remarkable player.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
I think there are two things like that I would
say to give you some optimism that he could still
be be there. Number one is that they did get
Christian McCaffrey done aggressively. And I think they had to
do McCaffrey before they did Auke because if you pay
au twenty nine thirty thirty one million dollars a year now,
the price of McCaffrey might go up. So you had
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to take care of McCaffrey first. The second thing is,
you know, our mutual friend Mike Silver reported that they
were twenty six million. That's not that far off. And
a lot of times these things get ugliest towards the end.
And the devot thing was not clean until it was
at the very end. And I would tell you this,
and I do feel strongly about this part of it.
(28:46):
I think if you fed John Lynch Kyle Shannahan truth
seram and ask them who would you rather have in
the roster Deebo, Samuel or Brandon Ayuk going forward, I
think they would answer au.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
They love Debo.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Debo could do a lot of different things for them,
But Deebo is like a super charge gadget player. A
Uk is more of a typical number one receiver who
can beat man coverage and you can build an offense around.
And so do I think they're going to go to
Justin Jefferson numbers to get Ayuk signed no. And if
if I draws land in this line in the sand
there and says I'm not going to take less than that,
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then you know, maybe he is traded. But you know,
if there is some level of compromise I still think
the Niners would like to get something done with AUK,
and I don't think the door is closed on it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So now you have what is called sort of the
you know, it's it's the time off between the official
opening of camps which you get into the Hall of
Fame game. So it's a lot of time for you know,
you cross your fingers if you're a fan, for your
players to stay out of trouble, as J. Mack mentioned earlier,
and Kansas City Chiefs have had a noisy offseason with
young players, you know, getting in trouble. But I'll say
(29:54):
this again about the New York Jets. If I was
Aaron Rodgers, I would sort of view it. I said,
this is the very very top of this hour. I'm
in a division with TUA, a brilliant offensive coach, Josh Allen,
Joe Burrows back uh CJ. Stroud has hit. I just
see all these offensive coaches and offensive special players and
(30:15):
star quarterbacks. I'd probably go to mini camp. It's not
the end of the world. I've been told Aaron Rodgers
is on the was on the other beyond Europe, on
the other side of the world. An event that nobody
will clarify what it is. You know, organizations and corporations
don't like precedents, and so if Aaron Rodgers does this,
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you know that's why they went out and said it's
unexcused because they don't want this to be a precedent
where a veteran player can say, I don't want to
show up, but if I had new offensive linemen, I
only played four snaps, my offensive coordinator is suboptimal, my
head coach is on the hot seat, my GM's on
the hot seat. I'd have shown up just to support
my guys. But I tend to think Aaron sort of
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as the Green Bay Packers discovered at the end of
his career, He's gonna do what he wants to do
and see across your fingers you don't think it matters.
But the good news for Aaron Rodgers and the Jets
the early schedule really plays into some odd starting times,
short weeks, night games, but it's a The Jets will
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be favored in almost all their early games except going
on the road in the opener against San Francisco, and
they've had a noisy offseason because of Brandon Ayuk, so
j Mack is for our audience that doesn't know, and
it's very few people that don't know this. He is
a big Jets fan. As America's honesty broker, I play
no favorites, but you're a Jets fan. But even you
were bothered a little by the Aaron Shanani.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
It's annoying. It's just another brush fire that this franchise
does not need.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Can we go through a month or two without noise,
as you like to say, and that just doesn't seem
to be the case. Yeah, the Jets who have the
longest playoff drought in I think it's professional sports, not
just the NFL years something like that.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, I lost count, it's so damn long A though.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, well, I would say unlike most Jet fans, you
tend to be not that you're willing to bail, but
you tend to be closer to a moderate whereas you
will acknowledge bad news. I think a lot of Jets
fans are saying it's no big deal. But I do
think if you have a GM and a coach in
the hot seat, a new OZ line, new receivers in
a really talented division with Josh Allen and the Dolphins players,
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I think it's something rightly.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Definitely not nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Again, if you were let's say Patrick Mahomes did it. Okay,
I got Andy Reid, I got Travis Kelcey with a
two time back to back Super Bowl champion, three time champion.
That's a different sense of it. People say, well, what
about if Mahomes missed it. Mahomes got a trophy room,
Mahomes has Andy Reid. You have Robert Sala, who I'd
argue is on the wrong side of the ball in
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twenty twenty four in the NFL, and he is absolutely
on the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
And did you mention Rogers is coming off an achilles
I mean, like kind of a big injury at age
four snaps.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Again, there's quarterbacks who could have missed that. Josh Allen,
I'd be like, okay, Lamar Jackson's got some young teammates,
but they were the number one seed last year. I'd
be okay, Well, Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Has a new wide receiver room. Remember I mean he
lost digs.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's like, I don't know, think you can just skip it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Just be a leader, show up.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
That's half the battle, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I know, it doesn't seem it doesn't seem like you know,
the Pro Sports ask you to play about six to
seven months. Yeah, there's a lot of weeks off you
can take.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's gonna be fine when they're six and one. First place, okay,
we'll just we'll be doing that.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
When they're six and one. Yeah, and I tell that
that sounds like a Jets season. Invert that
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, First things first, after our show, we got
a lot of different things to talk about. J McK
and I are on different sides on Caitlin Clark. I
think flagrant fowls are part of the NBA and the
w NBA. I also think the w NBA is a
little like baseball, where it's very insular. They've often felt ignored.
It's sort of a prove yourself league. Bryce Harper came
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into Major League baseball. All you heard was this chorus
of there's a way to play. He got into a
fistfight with one of his own teammates. Baseball thinks the
NBA in the NFL get far more publicity. You don't
understand our league. It's it's like there's a little military
feel to it, a Greek system. A hazing that is
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part of Major League baseball. If you come in as
a hot shot, and the WNBA has for years lamented
their second class travel, nobody pays attention to US. So
even though Caitlin Clark is the reason they've upgraded travel
and the reason they're getting attention, it is very predictable
that they're a bit insular and provincial, and they're saying,
(01:29):
prove it. You're getting all you're you're you're getting all
this publicity. Prove it. We have a real league. We
were fine without you, even though truthfully they haven't made
any money. The WNBA hasn't. Chris Bruce hard is joining
us so j Max on one side, he didn't like
the flagrant foul, and I understand the arguments that Listen.
You know it's the old Golden goose. She she's providing
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all this attention. You're going to get a better TV contract.
But I'm saying the NBA had one hundred and thirty
flagrant fouls this year. The w NBA last year had
exactly half of that in half the games. So flagrant
fouls are part of the sport, men's and women's and
I think women's basketball. If you didn't watch the WNBA,
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it's it's been a chippy league. It's not as vertical
as men's basketball. You don't jump over other players. It
gets very physical. Brew what side of you on what
do you make of this current controversy that I don't
think is the controversy. It's just new kid on the block.
They want to make her prove it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I don't think this one should be controversial. There's
been a lot of controversy with her, most notably the
last time they played the Chicago Sky But this time, Look,
I'm fine with them calling it a flagrant because the
contact obviously, I mean she smacked her upside the head,
all right, and if you see that in the NBA game,
(02:53):
it probably is called a flagrant one. Now with everybody
worried about concussions, I understand that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But when I look at.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The letter of their law, their rule book, that just
says if contact is unnecessary, then it's a flagrant, I don't.
I mean, that was a basketball play, Like I watched
that from various angles, and Angel reads to me looked
like she was trying to block the shot, like she
her eyes were not on Clark once Clark started shooting,
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they were on the ball. So if I thought if
she was looking at Clark and she purposely hit her
like that, that'd be flagrant.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But I thought she was actually really going for the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She did wind up, but she wound up looking for
the ball, and I think just hit Caitlyn, So it
could have just been a regular fouled I mean, it
was a hard foul, but I don't know that it
needed to be called a flagrant. But the controversy I
don't think needs to be there. Every time Clark gets
fouled out hard. It doesn't have to be a controversy, right,
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And that's what we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
For the record, Diana Tarassi got a flagrant last year.
It's not just the villains. I do think who Angel
Rees has had a very good rookie season. Now she's
a different player than Caitlyn Clark, but she's a rebounder
and a shop blocker. I think she's leaning into the
villain because historically Rodman Draymond Green, there's a place in
(04:23):
every movie for conflict. I think she's leaning into it.
I'm okay with that. Does it feel like it's her
style or she's kind of like, this is my moment,
I'm gonna lean into it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I do think she's leaning into it. There's no question.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Like she said, it's you know, the game between LSU
and Iowa a couple of years ago is what sparked,
you know, the huge popularity in college basketball for women
and now the WNBA. So she doesn't want to be forgotten.
She wants to be a part of this. It's not
just Caitlyn, it's me and Caitlyn. Like I'm magic, She's bird.
(05:00):
Or reverse it if you want, but whatever the case,
I think that's how she's looking at it. Look Caitlyn,
as you said, Caitlyn is the reason that I mean
you look at Caitlyn Clark's games. Her attendance is over
fifteen thousand for all her games home. More way, the
other team's average up little over seven thousand, So the.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
TV ratings are up.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
All her games are skyrocketed in the ratings relatively speaking,
it's Caitlyn Clark, a little maybe a little angel rees
playing the villain role.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think plays into it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
When she said last I don't know if it was yesterday,
but after the she said, after the game, you're gonna
play this twenty times before Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Right to me, she's playing into it, and.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think it's fine because he could work for in
terms of marketing.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It does help the league, Colin, even.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Though a lot of commentators want to complain, you're not
talking about basketball, You're just talking about Caitlyn and race
and gender and this, and that it's still good for
the enjoy it and reap the fruit.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, I think it's great. I mean, I've never talked
this much WNBA in my life, and I think it's
it's it's you know. What I also said, we have
to be honest about this is that a lot of
people never watch the WNBA. They parachute in and now
they're outraged. And I'm like, I don't care if it's
politics or sports. If you didn't care about something six
months ago, don't tell me it's keeping you awake at
(06:26):
night now. And I do think you know what I mean, like,
it's give me a break. But I will say this
is that we do have examples of this. I mean,
I don't care if you're a junior senator. I don't
care if you're Bryce Harper. A lot of people are
saying it's a it's a racial issue, and I'm sure
there's a component. I think it's a lot of things
converging at the same time. But do you remember Bryce Harper?
(06:49):
I mean Bryce Harper got into five. I mean they
were throwing at him for three years. People have forgotten
that this is sort of the way sports works. Like
a lot of time, I don't remember Lebron's rookie year,
but it's kind of the way sports works, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, totally like Lebron's rookie year.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You had Ricky Davis saying, it's my team, you know,
you had Darius Miles talking about the young we gonna
you know, he's coming in, but it's our team, and
Lebron played into it like, hey, yeah, it is their team.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He was smart, That's how he was. But obviously you
go back to Michael Jordan and I will say allegedly
Colin because Isaiah Thomas is a friend of mine, and
he denies this. But we remember the freeze out in
the All Star Game. Yeah, Michael Jordan, Yes, yeah, he
was a rookie, and this is what happens when you
have a hot shot.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Remember with Lonzo Ball.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Now, everybody didn't do it, but Patrick Beverly tortured him
his first game.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Picking him up full court. He said, this is because
of his dad.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know, when somebody comes in with a lot of
noise and hooplah and hype, whether it's them or the
media or the public, some players are going to go
after you and try to make you prove you're that good.
And I'm like you, I am fine with it. With
the WNBA. Now, racially, I do think there have been things.
I think the Chicago Tribunes recent column editorial, I think
(08:17):
that was racist. I think Iowa being invited to the
White House when they didn't win the championship was racism.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But as a runner up.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You know, but some of this is not that though
the WNBA has had white American stars. You mentioned Diana
Tarazi and obviously Breonna Stewart, Bird and Sabrina di Unesco,
like you can.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Go on and on, and.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
None of them got the attention or captured the public's imagination.
Like Caitlyn Clark. It is her style of play that
she was shooting logo threes, that she's a great pastor
who has that, you know, that kind of sixth sense
that a Jason Kidd or Magic Johnson had when they
could see things others couldn't it's her style of play,
(09:03):
and she went to a program.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Where she was the star and put up huge numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
She wouldn't have done that, probably at Yukon or somewhere
else where they have more talent. But that's why I
think it is. I don't think it's because the race. Well,
of course some people are glad to see, you know,
a white player dominating a black sport. But still, mostly
I think it's just the way she plays. Yeah, and
it's exciting and fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, she's got like NBA range.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
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Speaker 1 (09:37):
All right, let's pivot to this. I think the Celtics
are a mature team. They got burned a couple finals
ago when they had a lead, came home and were flat.
I think they take care of business tonight and I
think they go down as one of the most dominating
one season teams. Ever, I don't consider them a dynastic
team going forward. Maybe they are, but I do think
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if they win tonight and they're a mature team, it's
holiday Tatum Brown Porzingis. They're not kids that are high
and low. I know what I'm getting for effort tonight,
they'll play well, what if they beat the MAVs. They
have flown through the finals in the playoffs, what do
we make of them? Do they are they?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's a great question. There's a lot of talk about that.
Now are they in all time great team? You mentioned
one offs, you know, kind of one year championship. I
think there are two, may there's one for sure, maybe
two that won only one championship and are considered like
all time great teams. The eighty three seventy six ers yeh,
(10:39):
with Moses Malone and Doctor J. And then the seventy
two Lakers with Wilt Jerry West and Gail Goodrich and
they you know, they won thirty three straight games that year.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But those two teams.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Had living, living legends, Like at that point Doctor J
was a living legend. Yeah, had won n MVP three
if you count the ABA. Moses Malone was a three
time MVP. And obviously those Lakers guys were legends. They
were toward the latter parts of their careers. This is
entirely different. So I don't put this Celtics team with
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those two teams. I don't think they're an all time
great team, Colin. I know all the numbers love them,
the analytics, the way they've run through the playoffs is
it's fair to say that, but I think it's going
to be based on what they do going forward. Like
most great teams all time won multiple championships, if they
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only win one and then they go away and next
year somebody else and they never win again, I don't
see how we can think of them as an all
time great team because they also don't have that one
ultra elite superstar right Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown will
be Hall of famers, probably Horford and Drew Holliday if
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they win this series as well, but they are not
in like the top fifteen, top twenty, top twenty five
players of all time, and most of the all time
great teams, including the Sixers and the Lakers that I
mentioned earlier, they have players that are ultra ultra elite
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all time, and I don't think this Celtics team does not.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You and I agree on that, although I do think
there are moments in time where I've said this before
and I'm interested in your take on this, is that
with the new CBA and the apron, what the Celtics
are is what the league is trying to avoid, which
is like seven legitimate players, many of them expensive veterans.
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They're trying for the league to be more like Oklahoma City,
where you draft and develop and you're loyal to your city.
They don't want you taking all star level players from
other good teams and adding them to your all star players. So,
you know, like Derek White, eventually he won't be able
to be on this team, right, so he'll be too expensive.
(13:01):
So my takeaway is they kind of because they have
a great general manager, they kind of snuck Poor Zingis
from a tanking team. They got Derek White from a
tanking team. They got Drew Holliday from a tanking team.
They're what the league doesn't want is that they do
feel like they have a competitive advantage and eight guys
who can shoot, handle the ball and passed, don't they?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Look Joe Missoula and obviously Brad Stevens had a lot
to do with it. They built a team for analytics.
This is an analytically driven team that essentially shoots three pointers,
shots in the paint, and free throws. They I think
it was Game three. I believe they took like three
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mid range shots or something like. They're analytically built, and
you know, as the copycat league, so other teams are
going to try to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And look, Drew Holliday, we love him.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Now, remember last year he was he did not play
well against Miami when Milwaukee was eliminated in the first round. Yeah,
he shot poorly forty percent I think below thirty percent
from three. Jimmy Butler had a field day with him,
and so at the time, it didn't look like they're
getting this star. Derek White, we know his history, you know,
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hard working guy, great defender, solid, but you know he's
kind of flourished in Boston. And Porzingis made a couple
of All Star teams, but still was viewed as a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Guy that's injured all the time, soft, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And so they fit these guys, the guys they need
for the style they want to play.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have they brought them together? I'll say this, Colin, if
we are we're in an.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Era of parody, right, sixth champion in six different seasons.
If this continues, and say for a fifteen year stretch,
there really aren't many there's no back to back winners.
There aren't many multiple winners. Maybe that in that stace
away and we would look back and say, you know what,
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that Boston team of twenty twenty four, right when you
look at their numbers, they were all time great. But
it'll have to play itself out. We would have thought Denver, right,
We thought Denver might be en route to be in
an all time great team last year, and now we're
not sure about that. So these guys are young enough,
we're Tatum and Brown. Even if there's changes around them,
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they may be able to get them more championships. And
if that's the case, their legend will grow and so
will that of this team.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
First things first, after us, Briw. It's always great seeing
a man. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
All right, Colin, Thanks.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, good stuff. You know. I'm I'm I'm generally not
a fan of parody. I like dynasties because that's what
I've grown up in the NBA, But I Boston's a
good watch and they're just flying through this thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
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Speaker 3 (15:49):
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Speaker 5 (15:56):
We got our first UFL champion.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
The Birmingham Styles put on a dominant performance against the
San Antonio Bramas Sunday, winning in a twenty five nothing blowout.
Regular season MVP Adrian Martinez was also named MVP of
the Game after leading his team with three total touchdowns.
Third straight championship for the Stallions, who won the USFL
title in twenty two and twenty three.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
This is a dynasty.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Stallions feel like they're totally dominating, unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Actually it does the league. Well, yeah, for a startup league,
a dynasty's great, it really is. You know, in football,
what's funny is we always think it's the sport without dynasties.
Alabama had a twelve year dynasty, Patriots and the Chiefs
now have had a twenty five year dynasty, and the
UFL and new league's got a dynasty. So it's the
bottom line is if you get a good coach and
(16:48):
the best quarterback in football, whether it's Andy Reid and
Mahomes or it was you know, Nick Saban and a dominating,
you know, defensive front, or here it's Skip Holtz and
the best quarterback in the league, you have a huge advantage.
So we've got dynasties, College Pro and now UFL.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
So we just saw essentially three straight titles in a row.
Will we see the Chiefs match that in February.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
They've had a noisy offseason.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
See another arrest over the weekend. He's got to clean
that locker room up.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Their fans were unhappy with how Kyrie Irving left Boston
a few years ago after stating he was going to
the Nets.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Remember, he recently opened up to.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Fox Sports's Melissa Rowland about why he really left. He
said his grandfather passed away shortly after his announcement to
re sign with the Celtics, and after feeling lost and
hurt that season, he decided he needed to be in
Brooklyn closer to family.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Not everything works, you know, I'll take his word for it.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Not torn on this one.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Like it was a terrible look in Boston at the
time to say I'm coming back, I want my jersey
hanging in the and then you know, five minutes later,
year out.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, young players change their mind.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But he also had a lot of stuff to deal with.
I should he have said, listen, I've got some family issues.
I want to be closer to family. I'm going to Brooklyn.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Should I mean, I don't know what the political way
is to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
What I have found through the years is there's no
way for a star to leave. You'll be mad. Carmelo
Anthony gave you like eight months heads up, I don't
want to be in Denver. People didn't like it. Dwight
Howard did the same thing. I don't want to be here.
I love you. People didn't like it. Yeah, Lebron like
hell the press conference gave to the Boys and Girls Club.
They're burning his jersey in the NBA? What is the way?
(18:37):
Kyrie Irving, you know, kept it to himself. There is
no way for the best player on your team in
the NBA to leave, and everybody's like, best wish.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Lebron left Cleveland the second time, but that's because people
sort of rolled their eyes at how Cleveland acted. The
first time he won a title, he was right. Then
he came back won in Cleveland, and the second time
Lebron left, everybody was like, you know, the standards for
the Cavaliers or can we have one title? And so
that was different. But I mean the first time it was,
(19:06):
you know, pretty juvenile and petty.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
But remember a d leaving the Pelicans. That was really
good growth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
For like a month it was back, and people knew
for a year he was going to leave it out. Yeah,
like everybody knew about theirs, so there's no way for
stars to leave.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
One slight difference.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I think every guy you just named had been drafted
by that team.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
He's our savior.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Kyrie was trade forced to trade out of Cleveland, traded
to Boston, and they're like, oh we've got Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We kind of stole him with the calves they gave,
you know, they gave.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Up stuff, some stuff, Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Fans don't like stars to leave, you know, they like
it on their terms, and athletes want rant.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Leaving Okac was ugly. I endorsed that. I will still
defend Katy even.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Though, but I mean, find me the star, you know,
leaving a team Lebron in Cleveland. But that's the second time.
There's different sensibility. Fans don't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
What happened Manning, he had the neck ki.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Nobody, I mean everybody. And also Andrew luck was the
number one pick, so and that was a mutual agreement
between Peyton and Ersay.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Tom Brady and leaving New England. But again Tom had.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Been there twenty years and gotten him a million trophies.
Tom was getting old. Most people in New England, if
he asked him privately, he didn't think he was gonna
go win the Super Bowl and dampo that's and he
also he went to a different conference. He wasn't a
threat and get you do get diminishing returns. I mean,
what more could Brady do?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
We want?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We want a seventh one. So I mean like Brady
was different. He was family and he just said, hey,
I love all of you. The coach and I don't
get along. You know, I'm moving on. I think everybody
was like, thank you for everything you gave us.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
The final story is Ronnie James. The NBA Draft is
next week. Collins and a lot of people are hoping Slash,
wanting him to end up with the Lakers. He's projected
as a late second round pick. Lakers have the fifties
fifth pick.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
In the draft.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
However, Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle does not think Brownie
will be available. Then, when asked if Indiana was looking
at Bronnie, Carlile predicted he would be long gone before
the Pacers draft.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
At forty nine and fifty. Now I'm just.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Saying somebody is going to screw the Lakers here and
Lebron just to mess with.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Did you see Lebron was in Dallas? They Dallas recently.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well I did not see that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And Dallas is apparently interested in Ronnie. I don't know.
I don't want to.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Start anything, but he's just trying to get leverage.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
He's just he's not.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Going to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Dallas is a beautiful place to live, no state tax.
Have you been there Dallas?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I've been to been there.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Am I missing out?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
What kind of cocoon do you live in? I mean,
you haven't been to Dallas.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I've been to Houston for the Super Bowl when Fox One.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I like Dallas.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I grew up on the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I didn't have any invites to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Sometimes you just invite yourself to a good time.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Fly like I did with Nashville. I'm trying to get
you to go to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
With nash Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
You got to be my wingman.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, I'm okay and figured that Jmack with the News,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
The herd.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Lie is big part of America. It's called the Midwest
that instead of flying over you could just land a plane,
get out and go have a cocktail and meet some friends.
It's a lot of nice places. Chicago and the Plain States,
dall At Kansas City, Wisconsin, the Dell's which you thought
was a shopping center.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Did you say Chicago yet or not?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I was in Chicago this weekend on a boat on
the lake, having an unbelievable time.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Are you like, unofficially the mayor of Chicago?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Now, I'm not. I don't want to be anything political,
but I will tell you it is hard to have
a bad time in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
It is.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
It is good time. Albert Breer stopped by today some
thoughts on Aaron Rodgers, Brandon aiyuk is going after the
Niners saying they don't want me live in la It's
the Herd.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
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Speaker 7 (23:02):
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Speaker 1 (23:33):
Be back in Nick Right, Chris Brussard, Kevin Wilds after
the show. We've been talking about a lot today. Aaron
Rodgers did not go to the mandatory mini camp, and
Robert Sala called an unexcused absence when he went to
the podium. And I asked Albert Breer earlier today if
(23:55):
using that phrasing by Robert Sala, the young coach for
the Jets on the hot seat, was that a mistake?
Speaker 8 (24:03):
No, because I think that they felt like internally it
would be opening Pandora's box if they did excuse it.
They could have twenty guys next year coming to them
and asking for mandatory mini camp or something else mandatory
off if they allowed this. And I think the important
thing is the way it was handled internally. They went
to Aaron and sat down and talked to him about
(24:24):
this and talked through the whole thing and I'm not
saying Aaron loves the idea of being fined, but he
did understand why it was an unexcused absence, you know,
with the line there being one team, one set of rules,
and you know, here's the other part of it, Colin,
Like I think the Spring is for is more for
(24:46):
guys who are in year two, year three, year four,
year five, and they really felt like through the ten
OTA practices they were able to get enough out of it,
or they could make the mini camp something that could
be a little bit more geared towards some of those
younger guys. Aaron got the work that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
He needed to get in.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
We could argue about the the handling and of handling
of it, of course, Like I personally would have loved
to have seen Aaron Rodgers come out and explain it
himself so his coaches or his teammates wouldn't have to.
But I don't think this is going to be a
big deal when the Jets report in the summer. I
think it's a big deal because nothing's happening in the
NFL right now in the middle of June.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So Trevor Lawrence signed an extension. I do wonder because
that city It feels like Ken Griffy with the Mariners,
like he was basically going to get Safec built. He
saved the team from leaving again. And I feel like
Trevor Lawrence is franchise. If they were in London in
four years, I wouldn't be shocked. I kind of feel
his circumstances are different than Tua and Dak. They just are.
(25:49):
He was a number one pick. He's been viewed as
sort of generational, maybe disappointing. But do you think the
Trevor Lawrence contract changes the market?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
No, because I think all these guys were going to
get paid in this range, like over fifty, not too
much over fifty. I mean, I'd ask you, Colin, would
you rather have Trevor or Tua? Would you rather have
Trevor or Dak? Would you rather have Trevor or Jordan Love?
And I think for most NFL teams at least, the
answer would be they'd rather have Trevor than those three guys.
So paying him before those three guys got paid makes
(26:22):
perfect sense, because if any of those guys got to
a certain point, you were going to have to leap
frog them. I mean, ultimately, I think this is about
paying him for where you think he's going to be,
not where he is right now. Is he the type
of generational guy that we all thought he might be,
you know back in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, maybe not,
you know, like because you know, I think he was seen,
(26:43):
you know, in NFL circles as being on that Luck
Lway Manning type of tier as a prospect. But he's
been a really good player and his circumstances have been
really crappy. Came into the league. The Irba Meyer year
was what it was, a complete disaster, comes back in
year two, had a great second year.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
In the league, right like in Lee's one of the.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Greatest playoff comebacks in NFL history, and then had a
little bit of a bumpy third year. And so I
think if you look at a kid who's sort of
ridden all of that out, there are a lot of
guys who I think would be in a worse spot
that he's in. And I think they believe that if
they can stabilize things around him, they're gonna get a
much better player in year five, year six, year seven.
Here's the other thing. If Doug Peterson doesn't wind up
(27:23):
being the guy in Jacksonville. The next guy's not going
to throw Trevor Lawrence out. The next guy's going to
be telling ownership. I can make it work. I can
enhance Trevor Lawrence, which is another reason to take care
of him now.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I don't think Brandon Nyuk is going to be a
Niner at the trade deadline. I think this offense runs
through Shanahan's brain and Christian McCaffrey's feet legs. I think
Ayuk is replaceable. They drafted two receivers, they resigned Jennings,
and I think he's a really good player that a
team like New England could use, you know, or maybe
at Carolina. What is your take on the stories today
(27:58):
that they're not close the Niners in Iuk, who's really
a remarkable player.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
I think there are two things like that I would
say to give you some optimism that he could still
be be there. Number one is that they did get
Christian McCaffrey done aggressively. And I think they had to
do McCaffrey before they did Auke because if you pay
au twenty nine thirty thirty one million dollars a year now,
the price of McCaffrey might go up. So you had
(28:25):
to take care of McCaffrey first. The second thing is,
you know, our mutual friend Mike Silver reported that they
were twenty six million. That's not that far off. And
a lot of times these things get ugliest towards the end.
And the devot thing was not clean until it was
at the very end. And I would tell you this,
and I do feel strongly about this part of it.
(28:46):
I think if you fed John Lynch Kyle Shannahan truth
seram and ask them who would you rather have in
the roster Deebo, Samuel or Brandon Ayuk going forward, I
think they would answer au.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
They love Debo.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Debo could do a lot of different things for them,
But Deebo is like a super charge gadget player. A
Uk is more of a typical number one receiver who
can beat man coverage and you can build an offense around.
And so do I think they're going to go to
Justin Jefferson numbers to get Ayuk signed no. And if
if I draws land in this line in the sand
there and says I'm not going to take less than that,
(29:19):
then you know, maybe he is traded. But you know,
if there is some level of compromise I still think
the Niners would like to get something done with AUK,
and I don't think the door is closed on it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So now you have what is called sort of the
you know, it's it's the time off between the official
opening of camps which you get into the Hall of
Fame game. So it's a lot of time for you know,
you cross your fingers if you're a fan, for your
players to stay out of trouble, as J. Mack mentioned earlier,
and Kansas City Chiefs have had a noisy offseason with
young players, you know, getting in trouble. But I'll say
(29:54):
this again about the New York Jets. If I was
Aaron Rodgers, I would sort of view it. I said,
this is the very very top of this hour. I'm
in a division with TUA, a brilliant offensive coach, Josh Allen,
Joe Burrows back uh CJ. Stroud has hit. I just
see all these offensive coaches and offensive special players and
(30:15):
star quarterbacks. I'd probably go to mini camp. It's not
the end of the world. I've been told Aaron Rodgers
is on the was on the other beyond Europe, on
the other side of the world. An event that nobody
will clarify what it is. You know, organizations and corporations
don't like precedents, and so if Aaron Rodgers does this,
(30:38):
you know that's why they went out and said it's
unexcused because they don't want this to be a precedent
where a veteran player can say, I don't want to
show up, but if I had new offensive linemen, I
only played four snaps, my offensive coordinator is suboptimal, my
head coach is on the hot seat, my GM's on
the hot seat. I'd have shown up just to support
my guys. But I tend to think Aaron sort of
(31:00):
as the Green Bay Packers discovered at the end of
his career, He's gonna do what he wants to do
and see across your fingers you don't think it matters.
But the good news for Aaron Rodgers and the Jets
the early schedule really plays into some odd starting times,
short weeks, night games, but it's a The Jets will
(31:21):
be favored in almost all their early games except going
on the road in the opener against San Francisco, and
they've had a noisy offseason because of Brandon Ayuk, so
j Mack is for our audience that doesn't know, and
it's very few people that don't know this. He is
a big Jets fan. As America's honesty broker, I play
no favorites, but you're a Jets fan. But even you
were bothered a little by the Aaron Shanani.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
It's annoying. It's just another brush fire that this franchise
does not need.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Can we go through a month or two without noise,
as you like to say, and that just doesn't seem
to be the case. Yeah, the Jets who have the
longest playoff drought in I think it's professional sports, not
just the NFL years something like that.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, I lost count, it's so damn long A though.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, well, I would say unlike most Jet fans, you
tend to be not that you're willing to bail, but
you tend to be closer to a moderate whereas you
will acknowledge bad news. I think a lot of Jets
fans are saying it's no big deal. But I do
think if you have a GM and a coach in
the hot seat, a new OZ line, new receivers in
a really talented division with Josh Allen and the Dolphins players,
(32:26):
I think it's something rightly.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Definitely not nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Again, if you were let's say Patrick Mahomes did it. Okay,
I got Andy Reid, I got Travis Kelcey with a
two time back to back Super Bowl champion, three time champion.
That's a different sense of it. People say, well, what
about if Mahomes missed it. Mahomes got a trophy room,
Mahomes has Andy Reid. You have Robert Sala, who I'd
argue is on the wrong side of the ball in
(32:50):
twenty twenty four in the NFL, and he is absolutely
on the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
And did you mention Rogers is coming off an achilles
I mean, like kind of a big injury at age
four snaps.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Again, there's quarterbacks who could have missed that. Josh Allen,
I'd be like, okay, Lamar Jackson's got some young teammates,
but they were the number one seed last year. I'd
be okay, Well, Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Has a new wide receiver room. Remember I mean he
lost digs.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's like, I don't know, think you can just skip it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Just be a leader, show up.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
That's half the battle, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I know, it doesn't seem it doesn't seem like you know,
the Pro Sports ask you to play about six to
seven months. Yeah, there's a lot of weeks off you
can take.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's gonna be fine when they're six and one. First place, okay,
we'll just we'll be doing that.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
When they're six and one. Yeah, and I tell that
that sounds like a Jets season. Invert that
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