June 17, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin discusses Bryson DeChambeau winning the US Open in dramatic fashion over Rory McIlroy and why golf needs more moments like this
Once again causal fans are getting upset over how the think Caitlin Clark is being treated
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, and however you
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of your day. One hour from now. Where Colin was right,
Where Colin was wrong. This week because of all the soccer,
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European soccer, we'll be on Sirius XM and FS one
some of the week. Serious XM we're on all week. iHeartRadio,
We're on all week FS one. We're on the third
hour on FS one today FS two, first couple hours,
so Sayer bets audio perhaps, But I'll tell you what
a weekend. I was talking to the staff this morning
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about this. This usually is a time that we need
to wedge NFL stories in to like the NBA playoffs,
But we've got so many things going on between the
live and the PGA Tour and the US Open and
Caitlin Clark. We'll get there's a lot of stuff that
we just didn't talk about in previous years. It's been fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Kaitln Clark is kind of sort of dominating weekends in
sports right now.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's crazy and the ratings show it. So Rory collapsed,
Bryson Deshamba don't know if I recall a guy turning
around his pr in a year's time. Now he's suddenly
relatable and likable. He didn't play great yesterday, but good
enough to win as Rory collapsed. But if you want
to know why, I was never loyal to the PGA
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and I defended golfer's going to the Live Tour taking
advantage of a financial opportunity once in a lifetime opportunity.
Yesterday is why two great alpha golfers. One stayed with
the PGA, one went to the Live Tour. It was
USA versus Europe. It was PGA versus the Live Tour.
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But I wasn't watching because of the PGA. I'm not
loyal to golf PGA establishment. I'm loyal to golfers. I
will say the Masters does feel like it has Paul
as a course. But yesterday was great drama. One guy collapsing,
one guy surging, Bryson de Shambeau suddenly relatable, two alphas,
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both long off the tour, trying to reclaim past glory.
I didn't watch it because of some golf association. That's
what golf is on television. It could be Nicholas an army,
it could be Tiger and Phil. It doesn't matter to me.
I'm watching for the golfers. I felt bad for Rory.
He doesn't miss putts like that he did. You could
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sence the tension, but the PGA did not bring me
to a television set. Two alphas long off the t
Rory can't win those majors. Deshamboed won a US Open.
Could it be a second? He's not playing great, but
he's holding on with his new image, his new pr
This is where I supported them. And when these guys
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left the PGA tour, all the traditionalists, who are big hypocrites,
all the old heads were bothered. Really, if you went
to all those golf traditionalists fifty sixty, seventy years old
and you inspected their lives, they have left companies, they
have formed new companies. They have left jobs because they
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weren't treated well. And that's what Greg Norman and Phil
Mickelson complained about for a decade. We can't even own
our YouTube channels. We can't own our social rights. We
got a golf with amateurs. We don't get appearance fees,
treat stars like stars, or they leave like you want
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to be treated. If you're in a law firm, you're
a partner, you're the best, and you're not treated like it.
And here comes another law firm, you're gonna take the
phone call. So I never buy Everybody, I've said before
is morally flexible. Everybody to some degree is a hypocrite.
I support great golf. I'm rooting for Rory and Bryson
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to Shamba, couldn't give a rip about the golf association
that supports him. Here's Bryson after.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
As much as it is as it is heartbreak for
some people. I mean, you know it is heartbreak for
me at the PGA. And I really wanted this one.
And I turned the corner and saw I was a
couple back, and I said, nope, I'm not gonna let
that happen. I need to focus on figuring out how
to make this, make this happen, and I was a
little lucky Rory didn't make a couple putts that he
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could have coming in. I had an amazing up and
down the last I don't know what else to say.
That's it's the dream crime true.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For the record, it is now up to the PGA
and the Live Tour to merge. But never forget how
strident the PGA was. All these traditional golf formations platforms
were very stripe, very anti live and what they stood for.
And then you found out a few months, four, five, six, seven,
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eight months later they now they were taking theirs too.
Be always be very very careful around highly strident people
who live very rigid lives. The rigid senator, the rigid governor,
the rigid sports traditionalist were all hypocrites to some level.
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Yesterday was great TV, and you weren't watching for any
other reason than two alpha males long off the tee.
You both had. We all had emotion connections to both.
I was kind of rooting for Rory to win. He didn't,
But now I like Bryce and de Shamba, who's you know,
has kind of tweaked his image. He's very very relatable
and Likable signed for over two and a half hours
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with every kid and every person, every fan that wanted
an autograph. I'm here for it. But that was great TV.
Now merge and figure out how to give us more
of this, not just in the majors. All right, so
people freaked out. This stuff is so predictable. Everybody's freaking
out with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese is picking on
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her and hard fouls. Okay, major League Baseball is a
good comp here because Major League Baseball in the WNBA
always feel like they're ignored, very protective of, you know,
a way to play the game, very insular. It's very
much a pay your dues mentality. So when good looking,
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cool Bryce Harper came into major league baseball basically at
a high school and a little minor league, he got
into a fistfight with one of his teammates. They were
throwing at him. It was very much, oh, you're the prodigy,
you're the hot shot. And it didn't last six seven games.
It lasted like three years. You heard a lot of
this preachy stuff. There's a way to play the game.
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Baseball is very very insular. There's a way to play
the game. There's unwritten rules, although players can ever tell
me what the unwritten rules are. They change per player,
and the WNBA similarly ignored lamenting the publicity. And here
comes the Iowa hot shot, and it's pay your dues time,
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and they're pushing her around. There's flagrant fouls. The WNBA
to a fault, has a little bit about us versus
everybody else, and Caitlin Clark's an outsider and they're gonna
make her pay her dues. We've seen this in music,
remember the VMA Awards, Kanye West, Taylor Swift. I've seen
this stuff before and so have you. Is it race?
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Is it jealousy? Probably a little bit of both. There's
all sorts of things converging here. You see it in
fraternities hazing. You see it in military, insular, very tribal,
certain societies. This is how we operate. By the way,
when I used to take phone calls and I just
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did radio, every guy that called defended hazing. So why
does this bother you? You loved hazing, You defended hazing. This
is hazing, but not nearly as ugly as the private
hazing that we've had historically. Fraternities and the military it's
a flagrant foul, of which the NBA and the WNBA
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have about the same number per game. NBA had one
hundred and thirty this year. WNBA last year had like
sixty five, which is half, but they have half the games.
So again, to me, this is all very predictable. It
is the WNBA. This is what Bryce Harper went through.
He went through it for years. I don't think she will.
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She's a very good basketball player. She's getting better. She's
now at sixteen a game, six assists, five rebounds. She's
great with the ball in her hands, she's fantastic, she
sees the floor, she's a brilliant passer. It's all working out.
But this is predictable that the media doesn't quite know
what to do with it yet. The women Angel reason,
Caitlin Clark do. Here's the post game. She's a part
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of basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
It is what it is, you know, trying to play,
make a play on the ball and get the block.
But yeah, I mean it happens. I think it's just
the emotion and the passion that we play with. I
think people love to see that, and I think that's
maybe not something that was always appreciated in women's sports,
and it should be. I think that's what makes it fun.
Like people are we're competitors. That's the way the game
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should be. It's gonna get a little fisty, it's gonna
get physical, but at the end of the day, both
teams are just trying to win.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This is a win for women's basketball. These flagrant fowls
are a win. Yeah, I defended Draymond Green forever, so
I'm going to be outraged by this. It's a flagrant fowl.
She got up and played okay ey, Like. There's a
reason there's a classification for this foul because you get
about one hundred and thirty year in the NBA. And
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by the way, women who have committed flagrant fowls are
not all villains. Diana Tarassi had one last year. Is
she a villain? No, It's part of basketball. It's you know,
every industry has got a little ugly side, a little
provincial side, a little tribal side. This is it in basketball,
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NBA and the WNBA. But I'll say it again, the
women are figuring out how to handle it. It's the
people who parachute into this sport that never watch that
that don't understand the chippiness that you get in the WNBA.
When I was a local sports anchor and let's say
my local team, the Portland Trail Blazers or somebody did very,
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very well, then the news anchors who didn't know sports
would suddenly start talking sports and try to cover it,
and I'm like, no, you don't understand, that's just sports.
I'm feeling a lot of that here where people that
don't watch the WNBA, I'm one of them, parachute in
and are outraged. Spare me on your outrage when like
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six months ago, you didn't know the league existed. You
can fit, you can have an opinion that that's counter
to mine or doesn't align with mine. But I'm so
over outraged. Everybody's outraged on the internet. Everybody's outraged on TikTok.
Give me a break. If you didn't know something existed
six months ago or didn't watch it, I'm not interested
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in your outrage today. Caitlin's fine, Angel Reese is excellent.
They're part of probably maybe the best WNBA rookie class
of all time. Take a deep breath. We're all, especially
Caitlyn Clark, gonna be okay, all right, By the way,
JJ Reddick. It looks like looks like he's he's getting
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those suits fitted for the Lakers sideline.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Is that happening this week? We get we're getting JJ
Reddick to the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
One.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'd rather just have you listen to you rant about
Kaitlin Clark for another thirty minutes.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
It's a fun topic.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
She's become the most polarizing athlete in sports, and weirdly,
she said nothing. She has not invited the polarization. Like
you know, Aaron Rodgers will pop off about politics and stuff.
Lebron will get into that. Kitlen Hawk's done nothing, but
everybody has an opinion on a weird yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Caitlin's very much like Dak Prescott of the Cowboys. Jerry
can say something crazy. You can have a Kaepernick issue
social change in America, and Dak always went to the
podium as the Dallas Cowboy quarterback and kind of put
a wet blanket on it and said we're all okay,
We're all fine. That is part of leader, by the way,
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part of it's my hat on forwards backwards rant. I
don't care about other players doing that. I've always said
at the Wednesday press conference, don't start fires, put him out.
You know, Baker Mayfield came into this league. He started fires. Baker,
now if you listen to him, puts him out. That's
the difference. It's Caitlin Clark is doing a Dak Prescott.
She's very much putting out fires. That is part of leadership.
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She's obviously got tremendous leadership qualities. Dak Prescott doesn't till
the prettiest ball. I've said for years. He is as
good as any quarterback. He and Brady at the podium
are literally could teach a class on what you say
at the podium. As Jerry Jones is saying, it's up
crazy and there's a controversy, and Mike and see thee
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lamb and Dak's like, I'm gonna better myself. Not that
kind of betting. Ha ha haa. Everything's fun, everything's easy.
It puts everybody at ease. She is a she's a
great leader. And Angel Reese is playing a little bit
of the villain. Villains are part of sports. The Baltimore
Ravens franchise with ray Lewis, they love being the villains.
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It was good for the brand. It was good with
that rivalry with New England, New England, by the way
in their dynasty was viewed as villains. The flight Gates,
Spygate villains are part but they invited.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
It with debate, the flake Gate and Spygate.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They invited that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Bryce Harper invited.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I'd have to get them one.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Good looking guy who loved baseball that didn't play the way.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Oh that's fair invited. Not all, Not all.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
People invite heat. Sometimes want it. Sometimes you're a prodigy.
Sometimes there's jealousy. Isn't about the star. Jealousy is about
people that view the star as a threat. Caitlin Clark
is viewed as a threat to some of the players.
But she didn't create it that exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
She hasn't done anything. But you said, don't start fires,
put them out. Angel restarted a fire when she closed line, Clark,
if you want to put the fire out, Oh my bad,
reached down and help the p them up. Watch Angel
Reese's reaction actually closed lines there. It just turns around
the other way like that, Well it is a screwer,
like that's what that that's what that will We've all
found somebody's well, that's I'll.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Reached out, My bad, my fault. That's my bad.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But this is this is professional. This is a rivalry.
Nobody's helping Lebron off the floor. Bill Lambier in his
prime off the floor. These are rivalries also, people are
setting up, setting the tone, and this is going to
be the rivalry. Caitlin, you come into the lane. I'm
not helping you up. I'm going after it. I've seen
that much. Is that how you operate?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
You knock somebody down, you're not helping them out.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But I mean, I've seen it my whole life in basketball.
I mean, there's the un you know, here's the unwritten
rule in basketball for guards. All right, you can get
to the basket. Here come the trees. Steph Curry, you
want to come and score at the basket, do a
little floater and embarrass me. My elbow might meet your forehead.
That is basketball. That's thug life right there. No, that's
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that's prison rules basketball. No, hey, you you you you
try to Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
David Sturt loved that NBA with all that it would.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lead to fights. They had to stamp that out. Colin
get rid of that nonsense to help the league.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, some guys are finesse. Some guys like me out there,
like physicality.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
App so in Los Angeles. The Lakers have now formally
interviewed JJ Reddick. Now it's a little bit of a
fork in the road moment for the Lakers. JJ, as
you know, because he does a podcast with Lebron, is
viewed as Lebron's guy. There have been earlier documented reports
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that have said AD's a little bit of an outsider
in that relationship. So it's a fork in the road
time for the Lakers. If I had to choose Lebron
or Ad, even though Lebron is the Lakers primary playmaker,
that's more of an indictment on the Lakers franchise. Ad
is eight years younger, He's in his prime now, much
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better defensively, seems to be over the nagging health issues.
As the league is getting bigger with the Jannis and
the Jokic and just more great chat Holmgren and Wemby,
you've got to have a big and Ad is a
spectacular defensive player and also a high end a minus
offensive player. He's also a known commodity in his prime.
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Lebron's not. He's also under contract through twenty twenty eight.
You could pair him now with a young star or
three years from now, and you'd be viable. That can't
be said with Lebron James, who doesn't historically like playing
with young guys. There's also more flexibility with Ad because
he is closer to his prime. I think Lad this
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year may have been the last year of his prime
because the injuries have aged him. But again, Lebron's your
number one playmaker and jersey seller, but he's not your
on an any given night. In a growing league of
big men, AD is more valuable, especially on the defensive end.
So jj Reddick feels like a Lebron guy. And this
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is the one thing that's interesting. Try to view this
from Anthony Davis's perspective. So Anthony Davis has given up
a lot to be on Lebron's team. He could have
signed with any agency. He signed with Clutch. He decided
to leave the Pelicans and took a ton of crap
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for it. He'll play center, a position he'd rather not play.
He listened to Lebron on that snazzy Russell Westbrook move
that was a disaster. So think about this. He signed
an agency with Lebron. He took the heat when he
left New Orleans on Lebron. He's willing to play a
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position he'd rather not with Lebron. It's been Lebron's franchise,
and now he's saying, you'll, I'd love to be my
head coach, to be Lebron's podcasting partner. So you start
looking at it from a d's perspective, and you could
see where he would be a little uncomfortable with the
dynamic as Lebron is now going to be forty and
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ad saying how many more things do I have to
give up to appeal to Lebron? I mean, to me,
it's a fork in the road for the organization. I'm
not anti jj Reddick. I think he's a smart guy.
But because the Lakers have waited and waited and waited,
they're not going to get the best staff. Okay, that's
already been picked apart by four other coaches who hired staff,
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So the best people on the market are overwhelmingly gone.
So it's going to be kind of a you know,
a ham and egg. Whatever's left over staff and the
league's not full of dummies. These coaches know the Lakers
run through coaches. They've had like what seven and thirteen years,
So it's not a very attractive place to be a
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mar originally paid assistant coach with a rookie head coach,
and you know the staff's not great and Lebron runs
the show. So just look at it from AD's perspective,
he sacrificed a lot, and once again he's sacrificing potentially
to have Lebron's podcast partner as his head coach. Jmack
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with the.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
News, No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Let's start with the NBA Finals Colin Game four Friday
night was a disaster from Boston. Dallas rolled one two
to eighty four. I think they led by like forty
eight points at one point. The Maps pulled their starters.
At the end of the third quarter, they didn't play it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Fourth was all garbage time.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I don't know if you watch this game while you
were vacation.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I watched a little early and not decided halftime it
was time to go have some fun at no point. Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Jalen Brown said the Celtics are not feeling down despite
the poor performance.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
These are the moments that you know can make you
a break you we gotta reassemble, we gotta look at it,
we got to learn from it, and then we got
to embrace it and attack it. It's gonna be hard
to do what we're trying to do, and we expect
anything to be easy. But there's no reason to lose
our head, you know, Tippy cap to Dallas. They came
out and they played well, and we just got to
be better on the next.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Boston will win tonight by eight.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
To ten, favored by six and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, I'll take Boston to win and cover.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's weird to see. I don't want to try to
make it interesting. But Porzingis misses Game three and four.
If you look quarter by quarter, the Celtics really only
won one of those quarters.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Game game. I think you just have to throw out
Game four just it doesn't exist.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Okay, So does Porzingis play tonight?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Probably a little, and that's all I need. I like
you more on the rim protection that I care about
on the offensive end. Just have them for a little
take the lobs out. So I did game four is?
I mean, listen, we all know this. The NBA Game
three if you lose two on the road, game three
is usually yours, and it wasn't, so Dallas is gonna
play with pride. And it's also these it's hard to
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tell the Celtics. I mean, you're looking at Boston thinking
we can wrap this thing up at home. That's way cooler.
It's just natural for people to take their foot off
the gas.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I'll try to build a case.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So Boston loses Game four, they head home, They're like, oh,
we get to celebrate Game five at home, and all
weekend their friends and family are peppering them with requests
for tickets party after party, and I just, is there
a world where Boston's not totally locked in here tonight
because of all the side subplot stuff. And Luca comes
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in not yelling with the refs and not arguing and
not complaining, and Dallas is this is a veteran grown
up team.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I don't think this is Drew Holiday and Tatum and Brown.
It's high IQ. These aren't a bunch of young goofballs.
Boston is just even their younger guys are like mature
Derek White, So this is not this is not their
first rodeo. As you say, Boston's been in this spot
before where they came home against Golden State and lost
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all their momentum and lost the finals. I think Boston's
gonna be totally locked in, and you're gonna from the
very beginning you're gonna feel like Boston's the better team.
They're gonna lead by three or four most of the game,
put it away late.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, I don't no bet for me, weird. I just
don't feel confident. I don't understand this series. Porzingis in
for zingis out lively. Was It's finally turned a corner.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It seems like, I mean, what we're gonna say if
Boston wins is they didn't even need Porzingis to not
only win the finals, unprecedented roll through the East and
the finals without porzingis. So if you're you can talk
yourself into the Nick Surge or the Sixers. This is
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Boston's conference for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Keep an eye on his Indiana Pacers coming.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Next time.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The Dallas Cowboys obviously a big summer ahead, They still
have three decisions to make on arguably their three best players.
Dak cd Lamb and Michael Parsons all are due for
contract extensions very soon. The team is reportedly prioritizing their
QB and looking to get Dak Steel done first. I
know you're less a Dak guy. There was a number
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you were out Friday that we talked about. Dak is
interested in sixty million a year. Go ahead, and unlike
the Trevor Lawrence steal, which doesn't kick in for.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Two more years, it would kick in tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Dax would kick in. Yeah, and that's not great when
you got Cedee Lamb and Mike I don't know, I
know he did. He was a runner up for the
MVP last year, Dak Prescott. He was excellent.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How was that home game against Green Bay? Were they
absolutely blown out? Couldn't move the football with an offensive coach?
With CD Lamb and all the other.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Like seventeen games just they just don't count. Aselva all
they count.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But you know we're all then counts. But there's there's
If Brady would have never won a Super Bowl and
put up the same numbers, Joe Montana would be the goat.
Like it does matter what you do in mid January.
In February, yeah, that defines it. Eli Manning's gonna get
into the Hall of Fame because of two games both
played in February. Like, that's the difference. Philip Rivers had
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a better career if you take out February. If you
just take out February, Philip Rivers is better than Eli Manning.
But Philip never ended up playing in February and Eli
did and went to and Oh that's the difference between
their careers. Phillip's better all the months except February, and
that gets Eli into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
What do you think, Micah Parsons to see thee lamb
think when they hear Dak's gonna get paid first, I mean,
you use it. They've got to understand that, right That
would be like our contracts are up, and Fox is
like we got to prioritize MacIntyre over Coward, Like you're the.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Quarterback, I'm a team show whatever's best. Wow.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Love to hear that final story.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No word yet have Drake May will be the starter
for the Patriots in Week one.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
The team is hoping he will be their quarterback of
the future.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Quarterbacks these days don't get a ton of time to
prove themselves in the league, and Tom Brady shared some
of the advice he had for May and his development
heading into his rookie year.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
So I'm very fortunate to be around him, and I
like him a lot. I've heard great things about him.
But you know, his opportunity is going to be really
what he makes of it and how he wants to
develop it and how he wants to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Attack his profession, like we all do.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
It's not where you're at when you're twenty two, it's
who you're around when you're twenty two, right, you know
who inspires you to be better, who develops you?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's exactly right now.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Who's developing Drake Meghan?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I missed that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, he needs some help. I'm not the best situation.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I think Drake May has a big time upside.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I just don't think we'll say you were a big
Drake May fan. I would have taken him over over
Daniels A two.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I was more Daniels. You were more Drake May.
You'll probably end up being well Drake.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
You got Kingsbury. I don't even know who the Patriots
O C is the head coach.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
We know he's a defensive guy. Yeah, weapons veteran. I've
we said I think both you and I said before
the draft. Whoever New England drafts. That's the toughest uff
he'll climb. That's the toughest spot. Caleb Williams could have
gone there. You're gonna struggle there. They're just not Alex
Van Pelt no relation to Scott. He's their offensive coordinator, the.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Former like Pittsburgh Panthers.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He's bounced around the league, but I think he's respected.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, good luck alex Van.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But the thing with Drake May is you got to
be patient. Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels have a lot
of starts, and they're more refined, and they're more athletic,
they're ready to play. You don't have to be as
patient with them. If if by the year two Thanksgiving,
Caleb and Jayden Daniels are just not it doesn't look good.
I'd be concerned. Drake May don't even watch this season.
(27:53):
I don't even care. He needs a year of just exhibition,
back up practice. His his career should start after this year.
He's not ready to start in this league. He's not
close to him. Mac Jones didn't have a lot of
year starting. He was closer to starting than Drake. Drake
cam Newton for the starting job. I mean Mack was
(28:14):
more ready to play. Drake may Is footwork needs work,
accuracy needs work. He is a project could be good,
but he needs a lot of work. We all did. Yeah,
good point. J Mack with the news, Well that's the
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thing is great, isn't it. Robert Sala had a fascinating
quote this weekend or at the end of their OTA
and it wasn't directed at Aaron Rodgers, although he did
call the Aaron Rodgers absence unexcused. Now whether or not
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he should have said that, he did say it. They
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said at the end of OTAs and I'll let you
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
I know you were a soccer best again, so good listen.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
This England squad is very likable, that's usually the case.
And Jude Bellingham, big time rising star, had an awesome goal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I love soccer. You do too, Yeah, you know I
watch a lot of it. So we have the Euros
at FS one, the European Championships, and then there's Copa
Copa America, which were involved in.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
We better win that thing or Berholtzer could lose his job.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You guy. Everybody, by the way, as a soccer guy
like this idea. Everybody's man overboard because we got beat
by Columbia and then you know, a week later, we
not only have a draw with Brazil. We have a
chance to win it. Yeah, can we take a deep breath?
And the Brazilian coach said, I don't know what you
guys are complaining about. These guys are all overseas and
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good leagues playing. You got a lot of good players,
a lot of good skill. It's just I've here's what
I've learned about America and soccer fans in my life.
It's always the coach, because soccer fans have always that
they've always had this is that there's this thing much
like the WNBA. They feel ignored, so they have this
huge chip on their shoulder. And instead of just acknowledging
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our players aren't as good as Chili's, Argentina, Brazil, England,
which they're not, it's easier to just say it's the
coaching instead of going we don't have the players. Now
we finally do have a set of highly skilled players,
but we are really young young people and young athletes,
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highs lows. So we play Columbia, we're terrible. We play
at Brazil were great. This isn't the Boston Celtics. Drew Holliday,
Tatum Brown, poor zinc Like old veterans, the Celtics mostly
give you the same game every night. They're gonna give
you one stinker against the Mavericks. Young people and young
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teams tend to be up down up that o KC
Up down, up down, and so Indiana, by the way,
as a young team, you don't know exactly what you get.
So our United States men's national team is young, and
they can and they bail quick and then when they're
in a fight, they can give you this elevated effort.
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But it's my whole life. It could be Steve Arena,
it could be Urgen cleans Men. It's always the coach
instead of acknowledging we do not have a top six
group of athletes in the world. We never have.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
That being said, you know Burholt was a coach in
twenty twenty two. They had an okay run. He beefed
with Rena. They're budding young star draw You don't get
many I mean you don't see coaches get multiple World
Cups usually to figure it out. There's some pressure on Burrelton.
Like you said, we got a lot of young talent.
We need someone that can harness that and make a run.
(32:53):
The World Cup's here Colin. It better be like quarterfinals,
semifinals or bust. This can't be no group stage exit
here for us.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
They got out of the group stage with barely yet
well time out like the Green Bay Packers last year.
It was historically young. We didn't have how many players
did we have in our prime in the last World Cup?
None fair maybe a goalie Matt Turner like and we
didn't know a year before the tournament whether he was
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going to be the goalie, So we had no players
in their prime. What I'm i about to say is
true in all sports. The teams that win championship usually
have their top five or six players overwhelmingly in their
prime right now. Tatum prime, Brown prime, Derek White entered
his prime. Poor Zingis because of his injury is late prime.
(33:46):
Drew Hollidays out of his prime, the Heart Okay, Luca
moved into his prime, Kyrie end of his prime, Lively
pre prime. But you're seeing PJ. Washington in his prime
right like? So now can you win when your veteran
players like the Warriors are kind of out of their prime.
But you meet the Celtics in the final, and they
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got a bunch of guys who aren't quite in their prime.
There are outlier championships, but the United States men's national
team last World Cup, we had nobody in their prime
and we got out of the group stage and had
a draw with England. That is overachieving. Now will this
group get it? Will they get out of their group?
Now it depends on the draw, but I would say
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you have to get out of the group. They will.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
It's minimum and it's two years, so it's still two years,
so a little less than.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, they will be. And I've said and I usually
am like a blanket, a wet blanket on the United
States men's national team rankings, but I do feel like
this group we can compete with, We can compete with
the top two or three teams in the world. We
shouldn't be favored, but I think and I've never felt that.
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I've never felt we could go play Brazil in the
World Cup and it's like, no, we can, or France.
I'm like, now that we can compete, we can be attacking.
We don't have to play defensive soccer and just try
to win one nothing. You know, We've always had great
goal play, but it's always the coach that whatever fans
fans are overly emotional. Whenever they blame the coach. It's
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a lack of awareness or a lack of an ability
to say, maybe our players aren't as good. It's like
when you blame the refs. You miss twelve free throws
nine turnovers in the second half, and you're blaming the
ref on a go either way call. It's not the officiating.
We're gonna be okay. Now, the Jets is interesting. They
just had Aaron Rodgers showed up for the voluntary mini camp,
(35:42):
but he didn't show up to this mini camp. He is.
Albert Breer will join us top of next hour to
explain potentially where he's at. But it's a choice. I
wouldn't have made it with a new offensive line, a
lot of new pieces, new receivers, a coach in the
hot seat, and I took four snaps last year. I
would have showed up, but he didn't. Robert Sala after
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this mini camp said, the next forty days before we
go into the official season, the official camp for season,
he calls it Phase ME. We've always called the the
next part. So after this is Phase ME.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
You know you have Phase one, two, three, and now
Phase ME and it's the forty days off and it's
a great opportunity for the individual player to be selfish
to himself. It's a great opportunity to create separation on
the competition with the way they approach you off season.
You can go to the beach and party and drink,
or you can hit the gym and hydrate. You can
gain ground on your competition. You can separate from your competition,
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or you can or you can lose your entire twenty
four season or the way you approach his next forty.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, he calls it phase me. Unfortunately, for Aaron Rodgers,
all the phases, as Robert Sala found out, our phase
me you've heard of tazed me, Bro, Aaron is this
is the phase me. Bro. Aaron went on vacation. It
may have been an ayahuasca retreat and I'm being serious.
Whatever it was, it's a choice. He made it with
new O line, new receivers coach in the hot seat.
(37:17):
Four snaps last year, not one I would have done.
But I do think. I think you can miss the
voluntary OTAs I wouldn't miss, you know, the three day
non voluntary otaight. Not what I would do, but I
can tell you this for sure, because I think I
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know where he spent time on this recent sojourn. I
can tell you this for sure. The Green Bay Packers
a winning franchise. The Jets aren't. Are laughing their arses off.
This is absolute validation for what they went through the
last couple of years with Aaron. They are just smirking,
(38:00):
laughing at the Jets and go ahead, downplay it. It's
no big deal. That's what Jet fans do every offseason
when there's noise, it's no big deal. You've been on
that twelve year heater of it's no big deal, and
you haven't made the playoffs in any of them. So
it's not the end of the world. It did, but
it's a choice, and Aaron's choices over the last five
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or six years have always considered Aaron first. He could
have had vacation forty days of it. To be honest
with you, he didn't have to be at camp now
for they call it phase me. That's what Robert Salid
calls it done. He could have done this anytime they
didn't want to. That's fine. It's not the end of
the world. But I say often everything is something. Nothing
(38:49):
is everything, So it's something and Jmack as a longtime
loyalist to the New York Jets. You don't love this,
you don't love.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It, I said Friday. I was at my breaking point
with this. It's just one nonsense after the other, and it's.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Are you surprised that your Jets brethren are defending it?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, that's the weird part. All these Jets fans are
like Jason, just fall in line. Come on, we got
to support Rogers, and you know they're right.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
About one thing.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Come week one, I'm gonna be rooting for Rogers and
cheering them on. But this is just constant drama. It's
like self inflicted wounds left and right.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, it's it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Look great for Robert salav Rogers is the one he's
counting on well to.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Carry him to the next thing next season.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You and I would both agree if we had a
list of coaches on the hot seat, Mike McCarthy has
to win. I think Robert Sala has to win. And
McCarthy's got a super Bowl ring. McCarthy's winning twelve games.
Robert Sala has a bad win loss record, Like if
they get off to a one in five one and
six start. Now I don't think they w Bill, but
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but if it gets ugly, he's in big trouble. He
could be the number one coach on the hot seat.
So for no other reason that you're kind of giving
your coach a life preserver, You're you're kind of you know,
it's it's almost like it's a game. And by the way,
the minute he called it an unexcused event, Aaron reached
out to his media buddies to cover his arse. So
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there's already, you know, Aaron's always been passive aggressive with
the media. He has his plants, he has his peeps,
and if a coach says something or somebody does something,
he makes sure to spread the message that. So Aaron
did not, like, I'm told, did not like the unexcused
absence comment from Sala. So there's already a weird dynamic
(40:43):
coaching quarterback it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
You know, listen, Salo really did step in it. Pr
one oh one, like, what are you doing? The basics
that was bad.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
They can overcome this. It is only June, right, I mean,
still be a brushfire.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Around the league.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
We might have won the next half hour.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Someone just went on TikTok and did something stupid, not
Jets related, but in the NFL, so like, hopefully people
will move on, then we're on to the next round.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But the Jets getting into a habit. This is what
green Bay fans did the last two years. They downplayed
it's no big deal. They'd say in green Bay, it
was a big deal to Brian Goodenkuns who shipped him
to the Jets. That validated every opinion we had. You
can go to your message boards and say it wasn't
a big deal. It was a big enough deal for
Rogers to get out of that Ayahuasca darkness thing, and
(41:29):
they said see you, and he didn't see it coming.
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of your day. One hour from now. Where Colin was right,
Where Colin was wrong. This week because of all the soccer,
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European soccer, we'll be on Sirius XM and FS one
some of the week. Serious XM we're on all week. iHeartRadio,
We're on all week FS one. We're on the third
hour on FS one today FS two, first couple hours,
so Sayer bets audio perhaps, But I'll tell you what
a weekend. I was talking to the staff this morning
(01:08):
about this. This usually is a time that we need
to wedge NFL stories in to like the NBA playoffs,
But we've got so many things going on between the
live and the PGA Tour and the US Open and
Caitlin Clark. We'll get there's a lot of stuff that
we just didn't talk about in previous years. It's been fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Kaitln Clark is kind of sort of dominating weekends in
sports right now.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's crazy and the ratings show it. So Rory collapsed,
Bryson Deshamba don't know if I recall a guy turning
around his pr in a year's time. Now he's suddenly
relatable and likable. He didn't play great yesterday, but good
enough to win as Rory collapsed. But if you want
to know why, I was never loyal to the PGA
(01:53):
and I defended golfer's going to the Live Tour taking
advantage of a financial opportunity once in a lifetime opportunity.
Yesterday is why two great alpha golfers. One stayed with
the PGA, one went to the Live Tour. It was
USA versus Europe. It was PGA versus the Live Tour.
(02:16):
But I wasn't watching because of the PGA. I'm not
loyal to golf PGA establishment. I'm loyal to golfers. I
will say the Masters does feel like it has Paul
as a course. But yesterday was great drama. One guy collapsing,
one guy surging, Bryson de Shambeau suddenly relatable, two alphas,
(02:38):
both long off the tour, trying to reclaim past glory.
I didn't watch it because of some golf association. That's
what golf is on television. It could be Nicholas an army,
it could be Tiger and Phil. It doesn't matter to me.
I'm watching for the golfers. I felt bad for Rory.
He doesn't miss putts like that he did. You could
(02:59):
sence the tension, but the PGA did not bring me
to a television set. Two alphas long off the t
Rory can't win those majors. Deshamboed won a US Open.
Could it be a second? He's not playing great, but
he's holding on with his new image, his new pr
This is where I supported them. And when these guys
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left the PGA tour, all the traditionalists, who are big hypocrites,
all the old heads were bothered. Really, if you went
to all those golf traditionalists fifty sixty, seventy years old
and you inspected their lives, they have left companies, they
have formed new companies. They have left jobs because they
(03:43):
weren't treated well. And that's what Greg Norman and Phil
Mickelson complained about for a decade. We can't even own
our YouTube channels. We can't own our social rights. We
got a golf with amateurs. We don't get appearance fees,
treat stars like stars, or they leave like you want
(04:03):
to be treated. If you're in a law firm, you're
a partner, you're the best, and you're not treated like it.
And here comes another law firm, you're gonna take the
phone call. So I never buy Everybody, I've said before
is morally flexible. Everybody to some degree is a hypocrite.
I support great golf. I'm rooting for Rory and Bryson
(04:26):
to Shamba, couldn't give a rip about the golf association
that supports him. Here's Bryson after.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
As much as it is as it is heartbreak for
some people. I mean, you know it is heartbreak for
me at the PGA. And I really wanted this one.
And I turned the corner and saw I was a
couple back, and I said, nope, I'm not gonna let
that happen. I need to focus on figuring out how
to make this, make this happen, and I was a
little lucky Rory didn't make a couple putts that he
(04:56):
could have coming in. I had an amazing up and
down the last I don't know what else to say.
That's it's the dream crime true.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For the record, it is now up to the PGA
and the Live Tour to merge. But never forget how
strident the PGA was. All these traditional golf formations platforms
were very stripe, very anti live and what they stood for.
And then you found out a few months, four, five, six, seven,
(05:26):
eight months later they now they were taking theirs too.
Be always be very very careful around highly strident people
who live very rigid lives. The rigid senator, the rigid governor,
the rigid sports traditionalist were all hypocrites to some level.
(05:49):
Yesterday was great TV, and you weren't watching for any
other reason than two alpha males long off the tee.
You both had. We all had emotion connections to both.
I was kind of rooting for Rory to win. He didn't,
But now I like Bryce and de Shamba, who's you know,
has kind of tweaked his image. He's very very relatable
and Likable signed for over two and a half hours
(06:12):
with every kid and every person, every fan that wanted
an autograph. I'm here for it. But that was great TV.
Now merge and figure out how to give us more
of this, not just in the majors. All right, so
people freaked out. This stuff is so predictable. Everybody's freaking
out with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese is picking on
(06:33):
her and hard fouls. Okay, major League Baseball is a
good comp here because Major League Baseball in the WNBA
always feel like they're ignored, very protective of, you know,
a way to play the game, very insular. It's very
much a pay your dues mentality. So when good looking,
(06:56):
cool Bryce Harper came into major league baseball basically at
a high school and a little minor league, he got
into a fistfight with one of his teammates. They were
throwing at him. It was very much, oh, you're the prodigy,
you're the hot shot. And it didn't last six seven games.
It lasted like three years. You heard a lot of
this preachy stuff. There's a way to play the game.
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Baseball is very very insular. There's a way to play
the game. There's unwritten rules, although players can ever tell
me what the unwritten rules are. They change per player,
and the WNBA similarly ignored lamenting the publicity. And here
comes the Iowa hot shot, and it's pay your dues time,
(07:40):
and they're pushing her around. There's flagrant fouls. The WNBA
to a fault, has a little bit about us versus
everybody else, and Caitlin Clark's an outsider and they're gonna
make her pay her dues. We've seen this in music,
remember the VMA Awards, Kanye West, Taylor Swift. I've seen
this stuff before and so have you. Is it race?
(08:01):
Is it jealousy? Probably a little bit of both. There's
all sorts of things converging here. You see it in
fraternities hazing. You see it in military, insular, very tribal,
certain societies. This is how we operate. By the way,
when I used to take phone calls and I just
(08:22):
did radio, every guy that called defended hazing. So why
does this bother you? You loved hazing, You defended hazing. This
is hazing, but not nearly as ugly as the private
hazing that we've had historically. Fraternities and the military it's
a flagrant foul, of which the NBA and the WNBA
(08:46):
have about the same number per game. NBA had one
hundred and thirty this year. WNBA last year had like
sixty five, which is half, but they have half the games.
So again, to me, this is all very predictable. It
is the WNBA. This is what Bryce Harper went through.
He went through it for years. I don't think she will.
(09:06):
She's a very good basketball player. She's getting better. She's
now at sixteen a game, six assists, five rebounds. She's
great with the ball in her hands, she's fantastic, she
sees the floor, she's a brilliant passer. It's all working out.
But this is predictable that the media doesn't quite know
what to do with it yet. The women Angel reason,
Caitlin Clark do. Here's the post game. She's a part
(09:30):
of basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
It is what it is, you know, trying to play,
make a play on the ball and get the block.
But yeah, I mean it happens. I think it's just
the emotion and the passion that we play with. I
think people love to see that, and I think that's
maybe not something that was always appreciated in women's sports,
and it should be. I think that's what makes it fun.
Like people are we're competitors. That's the way the game
(09:53):
should be. It's gonna get a little fisty, it's gonna
get physical, but at the end of the day, both
teams are just trying to win.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This is a win for women's basketball. These flagrant fowls
are a win. Yeah, I defended Draymond Green forever, so
I'm going to be outraged by this. It's a flagrant fowl.
She got up and played okay ey, Like. There's a
reason there's a classification for this foul because you get
about one hundred and thirty year in the NBA. And
(10:21):
by the way, women who have committed flagrant fowls are
not all villains. Diana Tarassi had one last year. Is
she a villain? No, It's part of basketball. It's you know,
every industry has got a little ugly side, a little
provincial side, a little tribal side. This is it in basketball,
(10:43):
NBA and the WNBA. But I'll say it again, the
women are figuring out how to handle it. It's the
people who parachute into this sport that never watch that
that don't understand the chippiness that you get in the WNBA.
When I was a local sports anchor and let's say
my local team, the Portland Trail Blazers or somebody did very,
(11:06):
very well, then the news anchors who didn't know sports
would suddenly start talking sports and try to cover it,
and I'm like, no, you don't understand, that's just sports.
I'm feeling a lot of that here where people that
don't watch the WNBA, I'm one of them, parachute in
and are outraged. Spare me on your outrage when like
(11:26):
six months ago, you didn't know the league existed. You
can fit, you can have an opinion that that's counter
to mine or doesn't align with mine. But I'm so
over outraged. Everybody's outraged on the internet. Everybody's outraged on TikTok.
Give me a break. If you didn't know something existed
six months ago or didn't watch it, I'm not interested
(11:47):
in your outrage today. Caitlin's fine, Angel Reese is excellent.
They're part of probably maybe the best WNBA rookie class
of all time. Take a deep breath. We're all, especially
Caitlyn Clark, gonna be okay, all right, By the way,
JJ Reddick. It looks like looks like he's he's getting
(12:10):
those suits fitted for the Lakers sideline.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Is that happening this week? We get we're getting JJ
Reddick to the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
One.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'd rather just have you listen to you rant about
Kaitlin Clark for another thirty minutes.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
It's a fun topic.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
She's become the most polarizing athlete in sports, and weirdly,
she said nothing. She has not invited the polarization. Like
you know, Aaron Rodgers will pop off about politics and stuff.
Lebron will get into that. Kitlen Hawk's done nothing, but
everybody has an opinion on a weird yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Caitlin's very much like Dak Prescott of the Cowboys. Jerry
can say something crazy. You can have a Kaepernick issue
social change in America, and Dak always went to the
podium as the Dallas Cowboy quarterback and kind of put
a wet blanket on it and said we're all okay,
We're all fine. That is part of leader, by the way,
(13:01):
part of it's my hat on forwards backwards rant. I
don't care about other players doing that. I've always said
at the Wednesday press conference, don't start fires, put him out.
You know, Baker Mayfield came into this league. He started fires. Baker,
now if you listen to him, puts him out. That's
the difference. It's Caitlin Clark is doing a Dak Prescott.
She's very much putting out fires. That is part of leadership.
(13:24):
She's obviously got tremendous leadership qualities. Dak Prescott doesn't till
the prettiest ball. I've said for years. He is as
good as any quarterback. He and Brady at the podium
are literally could teach a class on what you say
at the podium. As Jerry Jones is saying, it's up
crazy and there's a controversy, and Mike and see thee
(13:45):
lamb and Dak's like, I'm gonna better myself. Not that
kind of betting. Ha ha haa. Everything's fun, everything's easy.
It puts everybody at ease. She is a she's a
great leader. And Angel Reese is playing a little bit
of the villain. Villains are part of sports. The Baltimore
Ravens franchise with ray Lewis, they love being the villains.
(14:06):
It was good for the brand. It was good with
that rivalry with New England, New England, by the way
in their dynasty was viewed as villains. The flight Gates,
Spygate villains are part but they invited.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
It with debate, the flake Gate and Spygate.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They invited that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Bryce Harper invited.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I'd have to get them one.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Good looking guy who loved baseball that didn't play the way.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Oh that's fair invited. Not all, Not all.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
People invite heat. Sometimes want it. Sometimes you're a prodigy.
Sometimes there's jealousy. Isn't about the star. Jealousy is about
people that view the star as a threat. Caitlin Clark
is viewed as a threat to some of the players.
But she didn't create it that exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
She hasn't done anything. But you said, don't start fires,
put them out. Angel restarted a fire when she closed line, Clark,
if you want to put the fire out, Oh my bad,
reached down and help the p them up. Watch Angel
Reese's reaction actually closed lines there. It just turns around
the other way like that, Well it is a screwer,
like that's what that that's what that will We've all
found somebody's well, that's I'll.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Reached out, My bad, my fault. That's my bad.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But this is this is professional. This is a rivalry.
Nobody's helping Lebron off the floor. Bill Lambier in his
prime off the floor. These are rivalries also, people are
setting up, setting the tone, and this is going to
be the rivalry. Caitlin, you come into the lane. I'm
not helping you up. I'm going after it. I've seen
that much. Is that how you operate?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
You knock somebody down, you're not helping them out.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But I mean, I've seen it my whole life in basketball.
I mean, there's the un you know, here's the unwritten
rule in basketball for guards. All right, you can get
to the basket. Here come the trees. Steph Curry, you
want to come and score at the basket, do a
little floater and embarrass me. My elbow might meet your forehead.
That is basketball. That's thug life right there. No, that's
(15:54):
that's prison rules basketball. No, hey, you you you you
try to Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
David Sturt loved that NBA with all that it would.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lead to fights. They had to stamp that out. Colin
get rid of that nonsense to help the league.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, some guys are finesse. Some guys like me out there,
like physicality.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
App so in Los Angeles. The Lakers have now formally
interviewed JJ Reddick. Now it's a little bit of a
fork in the road moment for the Lakers. JJ, as
you know, because he does a podcast with Lebron, is
viewed as Lebron's guy. There have been earlier documented reports
(16:41):
that have said AD's a little bit of an outsider
in that relationship. So it's a fork in the road
time for the Lakers. If I had to choose Lebron
or Ad, even though Lebron is the Lakers primary playmaker,
that's more of an indictment on the Lakers franchise. Ad
is eight years younger, He's in his prime now, much
(17:02):
better defensively, seems to be over the nagging health issues.
As the league is getting bigger with the Jannis and
the Jokic and just more great chat Holmgren and Wemby,
you've got to have a big and Ad is a
spectacular defensive player and also a high end a minus
offensive player. He's also a known commodity in his prime.
(17:26):
Lebron's not. He's also under contract through twenty twenty eight.
You could pair him now with a young star or
three years from now, and you'd be viable. That can't
be said with Lebron James, who doesn't historically like playing
with young guys. There's also more flexibility with Ad because
he is closer to his prime. I think Lad this
(17:49):
year may have been the last year of his prime
because the injuries have aged him. But again, Lebron's your
number one playmaker and jersey seller, but he's not your
on an any given night. In a growing league of
big men, AD is more valuable, especially on the defensive end.
So jj Reddick feels like a Lebron guy. And this
(18:09):
is the one thing that's interesting. Try to view this
from Anthony Davis's perspective. So Anthony Davis has given up
a lot to be on Lebron's team. He could have
signed with any agency. He signed with Clutch. He decided
to leave the Pelicans and took a ton of crap
(18:30):
for it. He'll play center, a position he'd rather not play.
He listened to Lebron on that snazzy Russell Westbrook move
that was a disaster. So think about this. He signed
an agency with Lebron. He took the heat when he
left New Orleans on Lebron. He's willing to play a
(18:51):
position he'd rather not with Lebron. It's been Lebron's franchise,
and now he's saying, you'll, I'd love to be my
head coach, to be Lebron's podcasting partner. So you start
looking at it from a d's perspective, and you could
see where he would be a little uncomfortable with the
dynamic as Lebron is now going to be forty and
(19:15):
ad saying how many more things do I have to
give up to appeal to Lebron? I mean, to me,
it's a fork in the road for the organization. I'm
not anti jj Reddick. I think he's a smart guy.
But because the Lakers have waited and waited and waited,
they're not going to get the best staff. Okay, that's
already been picked apart by four other coaches who hired staff,
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So the best people on the market are overwhelmingly gone.
So it's going to be kind of a you know,
a ham and egg. Whatever's left over staff and the
league's not full of dummies. These coaches know the Lakers
run through coaches. They've had like what seven and thirteen years,
So it's not a very attractive place to be a
(19:59):
mar originally paid assistant coach with a rookie head coach,
and you know the staff's not great and Lebron runs
the show. So just look at it from AD's perspective,
he sacrificed a lot, and once again he's sacrificing potentially
to have Lebron's podcast partner as his head coach. Jmack
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with the.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
News, No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Let's start with the NBA Finals Colin Game four Friday
night was a disaster from Boston. Dallas rolled one two
to eighty four. I think they led by like forty
eight points at one point. The Maps pulled their starters.
At the end of the third quarter, they didn't play it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Fourth was all garbage time.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I don't know if you watch this game while you
were vacation.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I watched a little early and not decided halftime it
was time to go have some fun at no point. Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Jalen Brown said the Celtics are not feeling down despite
the poor performance.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
These are the moments that you know can make you
a break you we gotta reassemble, we gotta look at it,
we got to learn from it, and then we got
to embrace it and attack it. It's gonna be hard
to do what we're trying to do, and we expect
anything to be easy. But there's no reason to lose
our head, you know, Tippy cap to Dallas. They came
out and they played well, and we just got to
be better on the next.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Boston will win tonight by eight.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
To ten, favored by six and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, I'll take Boston to win and cover.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's weird to see. I don't want to try to
make it interesting. But Porzingis misses Game three and four.
If you look quarter by quarter, the Celtics really only
won one of those quarters.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Game game. I think you just have to throw out
Game four just it doesn't exist.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Okay, So does Porzingis play tonight?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Probably a little, and that's all I need. I like
you more on the rim protection that I care about
on the offensive end. Just have them for a little
take the lobs out. So I did game four is?
I mean, listen, we all know this. The NBA Game
three if you lose two on the road, game three
is usually yours, and it wasn't, so Dallas is gonna
play with pride. And it's also these it's hard to
(22:08):
tell the Celtics. I mean, you're looking at Boston thinking
we can wrap this thing up at home. That's way cooler.
It's just natural for people to take their foot off
the gas.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I'll try to build a case.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So Boston loses Game four, they head home, They're like, oh,
we get to celebrate Game five at home, and all
weekend their friends and family are peppering them with requests
for tickets party after party, and I just, is there
a world where Boston's not totally locked in here tonight
because of all the side subplot stuff. And Luca comes
(22:38):
in not yelling with the refs and not arguing and
not complaining, and Dallas is this is a veteran grown
up team.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I don't think this is Drew Holiday and Tatum and Brown.
It's high IQ. These aren't a bunch of young goofballs.
Boston is just even their younger guys are like mature
Derek White, So this is not this is not their
first rodeo. As you say, Boston's been in this spot
before where they came home against Golden State and lost
(23:07):
all their momentum and lost the finals. I think Boston's
gonna be totally locked in, and you're gonna from the
very beginning you're gonna feel like Boston's the better team.
They're gonna lead by three or four most of the game,
put it away late.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, I don't no bet for me, weird. I just
don't feel confident. I don't understand this series. Porzingis in
for zingis out lively. Was It's finally turned a corner.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It seems like, I mean, what we're gonna say if
Boston wins is they didn't even need Porzingis to not
only win the finals, unprecedented roll through the East and
the finals without porzingis. So if you're you can talk
yourself into the Nick Surge or the Sixers. This is
(23:50):
Boston's conference for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Keep an eye on his Indiana Pacers coming.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Next time.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The Dallas Cowboys obviously a big summer ahead, They still
have three decisions to make on arguably their three best players.
Dak cd Lamb and Michael Parsons all are due for
contract extensions very soon. The team is reportedly prioritizing their
QB and looking to get Dak Steel done first. I
know you're less a Dak guy. There was a number
(24:19):
you were out Friday that we talked about. Dak is
interested in sixty million a year. Go ahead, and unlike
the Trevor Lawrence steal, which doesn't kick in for.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Two more years, it would kick in tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Dax would kick in. Yeah, and that's not great when
you got Cedee Lamb and Mike I don't know, I
know he did. He was a runner up for the
MVP last year, Dak Prescott. He was excellent.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How was that home game against Green Bay? Were they
absolutely blown out? Couldn't move the football with an offensive coach?
With CD Lamb and all the other.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Like seventeen games just they just don't count. Aselva all
they count.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But you know we're all then counts. But there's there's
If Brady would have never won a Super Bowl and
put up the same numbers, Joe Montana would be the goat.
Like it does matter what you do in mid January.
In February, yeah, that defines it. Eli Manning's gonna get
into the Hall of Fame because of two games both
played in February. Like, that's the difference. Philip Rivers had
(25:19):
a better career if you take out February. If you
just take out February, Philip Rivers is better than Eli Manning.
But Philip never ended up playing in February and Eli
did and went to and Oh that's the difference between
their careers. Phillip's better all the months except February, and
that gets Eli into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
What do you think, Micah Parsons to see thee lamb
think when they hear Dak's gonna get paid first, I mean,
you use it. They've got to understand that, right That
would be like our contracts are up, and Fox is
like we got to prioritize MacIntyre over Coward, Like you're the.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Quarterback, I'm a team show whatever's best. Wow.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Love to hear that final story.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No word yet have Drake May will be the starter
for the Patriots in Week one.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
The team is hoping he will be their quarterback of
the future.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Quarterbacks these days don't get a ton of time to
prove themselves in the league, and Tom Brady shared some
of the advice he had for May and his development
heading into his rookie year.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
So I'm very fortunate to be around him, and I
like him a lot. I've heard great things about him.
But you know, his opportunity is going to be really
what he makes of it and how he wants to
develop it and how he wants to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Attack his profession, like we all do.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
It's not where you're at when you're twenty two, it's
who you're around when you're twenty two, right, you know
who inspires you to be better, who develops you?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's exactly right now.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Who's developing Drake Meghan?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I missed that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, he needs some help. I'm not the best situation.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I think Drake May has a big time upside.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I just don't think we'll say you were a big
Drake May fan. I would have taken him over over
Daniels A two.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I was more Daniels. You were more Drake May.
You'll probably end up being well Drake.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
You got Kingsbury. I don't even know who the Patriots
O C is the head coach.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
We know he's a defensive guy. Yeah, weapons veteran. I've
we said I think both you and I said before
the draft. Whoever New England drafts. That's the toughest uff
he'll climb. That's the toughest spot. Caleb Williams could have
gone there. You're gonna struggle there. They're just not Alex
Van Pelt no relation to Scott. He's their offensive coordinator, the.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Former like Pittsburgh Panthers.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He's bounced around the league, but I think he's respected.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, good luck alex Van.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But the thing with Drake May is you got to
be patient. Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels have a lot
of starts, and they're more refined, and they're more athletic,
they're ready to play. You don't have to be as
patient with them. If if by the year two Thanksgiving,
Caleb and Jayden Daniels are just not it doesn't look good.
I'd be concerned. Drake May don't even watch this season.
(27:53):
I don't even care. He needs a year of just exhibition,
back up practice. His his career should start after this year.
He's not ready to start in this league. He's not
close to him. Mac Jones didn't have a lot of
year starting. He was closer to starting than Drake. Drake
cam Newton for the starting job. I mean Mack was
(28:14):
more ready to play. Drake may Is footwork needs work,
accuracy needs work. He is a project could be good,
but he needs a lot of work. We all did. Yeah,
good point. J Mack with the news, Well that's the
news and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News
Klay Thompson unfollowed the warriors on social That makes that's
(28:36):
so funny to me. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers. This whole
thing is great, isn't it. Robert Sala had a fascinating
quote this weekend or at the end of their OTA
and it wasn't directed at Aaron Rodgers, although he did
call the Aaron Rodgers absence unexcused. Now whether or not
(29:01):
he should have said that, he did say it. They
called it an event and unexcused, but interesting what Sla
said at the end of OTAs and I'll let you
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
I know you were a soccer best again, so good listen.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
This England squad is very likable, that's usually the case.
And Jude Bellingham, big time rising star, had an awesome goal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I love soccer. You do too, Yeah, you know I
watch a lot of it. So we have the Euros
at FS one, the European Championships, and then there's Copa
Copa America, which were involved in.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
We better win that thing or Berholtzer could lose his job.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You guy. Everybody, by the way, as a soccer guy
like this idea. Everybody's man overboard because we got beat
by Columbia and then you know, a week later, we
not only have a draw with Brazil. We have a
chance to win it. Yeah, can we take a deep breath?
And the Brazilian coach said, I don't know what you
guys are complaining about. These guys are all overseas and
(30:53):
good leagues playing. You got a lot of good players,
a lot of good skill. It's just I've here's what
I've learned about America and soccer fans in my life.
It's always the coach, because soccer fans have always that
they've always had this is that there's this thing much
like the WNBA. They feel ignored, so they have this
huge chip on their shoulder. And instead of just acknowledging
(31:15):
our players aren't as good as Chili's, Argentina, Brazil, England,
which they're not, it's easier to just say it's the
coaching instead of going we don't have the players. Now
we finally do have a set of highly skilled players,
but we are really young young people and young athletes,
(31:36):
highs lows. So we play Columbia, we're terrible. We play
at Brazil were great. This isn't the Boston Celtics. Drew Holliday,
Tatum Brown, poor zinc Like old veterans, the Celtics mostly
give you the same game every night. They're gonna give
you one stinker against the Mavericks. Young people and young
(31:57):
teams tend to be up down up that o KC
Up down, up down, and so Indiana, by the way,
as a young team, you don't know exactly what you get.
So our United States men's national team is young, and
they can and they bail quick and then when they're
in a fight, they can give you this elevated effort.
(32:18):
But it's my whole life. It could be Steve Arena,
it could be Urgen cleans Men. It's always the coach
instead of acknowledging we do not have a top six
group of athletes in the world. We never have.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
That being said, you know Burholt was a coach in
twenty twenty two. They had an okay run. He beefed
with Rena. They're budding young star draw You don't get
many I mean you don't see coaches get multiple World
Cups usually to figure it out. There's some pressure on Burrelton.
Like you said, we got a lot of young talent.
We need someone that can harness that and make a run.
(32:53):
The World Cup's here Colin. It better be like quarterfinals,
semifinals or bust. This can't be no group stage exit
here for us.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
They got out of the group stage with barely yet
well time out like the Green Bay Packers last year.
It was historically young. We didn't have how many players
did we have in our prime in the last World Cup?
None fair maybe a goalie Matt Turner like and we
didn't know a year before the tournament whether he was
(33:23):
going to be the goalie, So we had no players
in their prime. What I'm i about to say is
true in all sports. The teams that win championship usually
have their top five or six players overwhelmingly in their
prime right now. Tatum prime, Brown prime, Derek White entered
his prime. Poor Zingis because of his injury is late prime.
(33:46):
Drew Hollidays out of his prime, the Heart Okay, Luca
moved into his prime, Kyrie end of his prime, Lively
pre prime. But you're seeing PJ. Washington in his prime
right like? So now can you win when your veteran
players like the Warriors are kind of out of their prime.
But you meet the Celtics in the final, and they
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got a bunch of guys who aren't quite in their prime.
There are outlier championships, but the United States men's national
team last World Cup, we had nobody in their prime
and we got out of the group stage and had
a draw with England. That is overachieving. Now will this
group get it? Will they get out of their group?
Now it depends on the draw, but I would say
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you have to get out of the group. They will.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
It's minimum and it's two years, so it's still two years,
so a little less than.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, they will be. And I've said and I usually
am like a blanket, a wet blanket on the United
States men's national team rankings, but I do feel like
this group we can compete with, We can compete with
the top two or three teams in the world. We
shouldn't be favored, but I think and I've never felt that.
(34:56):
I've never felt we could go play Brazil in the
World Cup and it's like, no, we can, or France.
I'm like, now that we can compete, we can be attacking.
We don't have to play defensive soccer and just try
to win one nothing. You know, We've always had great
goal play, but it's always the coach that whatever fans
fans are overly emotional. Whenever they blame the coach. It's
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a lack of awareness or a lack of an ability
to say, maybe our players aren't as good. It's like
when you blame the refs. You miss twelve free throws
nine turnovers in the second half, and you're blaming the
ref on a go either way call. It's not the officiating.
We're gonna be okay. Now, the Jets is interesting. They
just had Aaron Rodgers showed up for the voluntary mini camp,
(35:42):
but he didn't show up to this mini camp. He is.
Albert Breer will join us top of next hour to
explain potentially where he's at. But it's a choice. I
wouldn't have made it with a new offensive line, a
lot of new pieces, new receivers, a coach in the
hot seat, and I took four snaps last year. I
would have showed up, but he didn't. Robert Sala after
(36:08):
this mini camp said, the next forty days before we
go into the official season, the official camp for season,
he calls it Phase ME. We've always called the the
next part. So after this is Phase ME.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
You know you have Phase one, two, three, and now
Phase ME and it's the forty days off and it's
a great opportunity for the individual player to be selfish
to himself. It's a great opportunity to create separation on
the competition with the way they approach you off season.
You can go to the beach and party and drink,
or you can hit the gym and hydrate. You can
gain ground on your competition. You can separate from your competition,
(36:50):
or you can or you can lose your entire twenty
four season or the way you approach his next forty.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, he calls it phase me. Unfortunately, for Aaron Rodgers,
all the phases, as Robert Sala found out, our phase
me you've heard of tazed me, Bro, Aaron is this
is the phase me. Bro. Aaron went on vacation. It
may have been an ayahuasca retreat and I'm being serious.
Whatever it was, it's a choice. He made it with
new O line, new receivers coach in the hot seat.
(37:17):
Four snaps last year, not one I would have done.
But I do think. I think you can miss the
voluntary OTAs I wouldn't miss, you know, the three day
non voluntary otaight. Not what I would do, but I
can tell you this for sure, because I think I
(37:37):
know where he spent time on this recent sojourn. I
can tell you this for sure. The Green Bay Packers
a winning franchise. The Jets aren't. Are laughing their arses off.
This is absolute validation for what they went through the
last couple of years with Aaron. They are just smirking,
(38:00):
laughing at the Jets and go ahead, downplay it. It's
no big deal. That's what Jet fans do every offseason
when there's noise, it's no big deal. You've been on
that twelve year heater of it's no big deal, and
you haven't made the playoffs in any of them. So
it's not the end of the world. It did, but
it's a choice, and Aaron's choices over the last five
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or six years have always considered Aaron first. He could
have had vacation forty days of it. To be honest
with you, he didn't have to be at camp now
for they call it phase me. That's what Robert Salid
calls it done. He could have done this anytime they
didn't want to. That's fine. It's not the end of
the world. But I say often everything is something. Nothing
(38:49):
is everything, So it's something and Jmack as a longtime
loyalist to the New York Jets. You don't love this,
you don't love.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It, I said Friday. I was at my breaking point
with this. It's just one nonsense after the other, and it's.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Are you surprised that your Jets brethren are defending it?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, that's the weird part. All these Jets fans are
like Jason, just fall in line. Come on, we got
to support Rogers, and you know they're right.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
About one thing.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Come week one, I'm gonna be rooting for Rogers and
cheering them on. But this is just constant drama. It's
like self inflicted wounds left and right.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, it's it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Look great for Robert salav Rogers is the one he's
counting on well to.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Carry him to the next thing next season.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You and I would both agree if we had a
list of coaches on the hot seat, Mike McCarthy has
to win. I think Robert Sala has to win. And
McCarthy's got a super Bowl ring. McCarthy's winning twelve games.
Robert Sala has a bad win loss record, Like if
they get off to a one in five one and
six start. Now I don't think they w Bill, but
(40:01):
but if it gets ugly, he's in big trouble. He
could be the number one coach on the hot seat.
So for no other reason that you're kind of giving
your coach a life preserver, You're you're kind of you know,
it's it's almost like it's a game. And by the way,
the minute he called it an unexcused event, Aaron reached
out to his media buddies to cover his arse. So
(40:22):
there's already, you know, Aaron's always been passive aggressive with
the media. He has his plants, he has his peeps,
and if a coach says something or somebody does something,
he makes sure to spread the message that. So Aaron
did not, like, I'm told, did not like the unexcused
absence comment from Sala. So there's already a weird dynamic
(40:43):
coaching quarterback it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
You know, listen, Salo really did step in it. Pr
one oh one, like, what are you doing? The basics
that was bad.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
They can overcome this. It is only June, right, I mean,
still be a brushfire.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Around the league.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
We might have won the next half hour.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Someone just went on TikTok and did something stupid, not
Jets related, but in the NFL, so like, hopefully people
will move on, then we're on to the next round.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But the Jets getting into a habit. This is what
green Bay fans did the last two years. They downplayed
it's no big deal. They'd say in green Bay, it
was a big deal to Brian Goodenkuns who shipped him
to the Jets. That validated every opinion we had. You
can go to your message boards and say it wasn't
a big deal. It was a big enough deal for
Rogers to get out of that Ayahuasca darkness thing, and
(41:29):
they said see you, and he didn't see it coming.
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