June 18, 2024 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our number two Celtics or champs.
We like Boston and six Jalen Brown the MVP, So
we got that right. Jamack was on Dallas. He deserved
credit the entire playoff run. It became pretty obvious. Bye,
I would say second quarter of Game two, it was
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just a bad matchup. It was just it was I
was saying this last night, is that it was dispersed
him Duncan against Lebron's early Cleveland teams is you know,
you gotta get Cleveland credit for getting there. They had Lebron,
streaky shooters in the out side, Zadrunas Olgoskas, good energy.
But about game two of the series, You're like, they're
just not equipped to beat this team. Coaching down, They're
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just not equipped. Dallas was not equipped to beat this team.
They don't have as many guys as the Celtics have shooters. Also,
the Celtics were an old veteran team. I mean the
second third best player for the Mavericks is a kid.
He's nineteen years old.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And the best player on the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Jason Tatum was absolutely picking on Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Derek Lively.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Nobody could guard Tatum in space, led the Celtics in points, rebounds,
and says, what a series for the iconic Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown hear their final numbers.
Now a lot of you wanted Tatum as the MVP
just to annoy me. Yes, Tatum average a point and
a half more a game, but Brown was significantly more efficient,
had a better plus minus, and guarded Luca. And the
other thing is Game three was the pivotal game because
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Boston held home court. If Dallas wins Game three, we
got ourselves a series. And there were two moments in
Game three. Remember Celtics take a lead, here come the MAVs.
The crowd is roaring. Jalen Brown took the basketball top
of the circle and put down and in your face
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jam for the ages to quiet the Dallas crowd. That
was the play of the series. Remember, Boston had just
won their home games. If Dallas wins Game three, who cares?
We've got a series. There was a second moment, Dallas
still fighting like man, Boston leads one hundred and ninety
eight minute left. They need a bucket. Jalen Brown again
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hit the most important bucket to that point in the series.
So who guarded Luca Jalen Brown, who was more efficient?
Jalen Brown, who had the better plus minus Jalen Brown,
who hit the two big shots in the moment in
a series when Dallas could seize control of it. Two
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for two, Jalen Brown Tatum scored a point and a
half more a lot of it in last night's blowout.
I'm sorry, I thought the choice was easy. Here was
Jalen on winning the MVP.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It could have gone to anybody. It could have gone
to Jason. Jason like, I can't talk enough about his selflessness,
you know, I can't talk enough about his attitude. And
it's just how he approached not just this series or
the finals, but just the playoffs in general. And we
did it together as a team.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I see Jalen Brown a lot like I do. Dwayne
Wade physical, relentless power over finesse went to a non
basketball power, a little ignored in college. But then you know,
if you recall d Wade had a very good March Madness.
Jalen Brown was hyper athletic at Cal and they just
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kept getting better, better and better and better. And again
I think he's the most aggressive Celtic in big spots.
I thought he hit the two big shots in this series.
Here was Tatum on Brown winning the MVP. We don't
have it. Let's go live to Nick Wright, co hosts
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First Things First? Who is now Jonius Live Customary on Tuesday?
All right, so let's start with this. I said, just
because you win the Oscars for Best Movie, you're not
an all time movie. It could be an all time moment.
And I think this moment in time. A week East
Denver knocked out Dallas a little over their skis as
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a five seed. It's a moment in time. This is
a great Chris Brussard did this yesterday. He said, you
can go back to the Doctor Jay got Moses Malone team.
It wasn't a dynasty, but for a year or two
they were really really great. Is that how you classify
this Celtics team, Well.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Listen, I don't want the first thing I say on
TV post them winning the championship to be downplaying them.
So I'm going I will answer your question eventually, but
I first want to say this. This is a great
team in this moment in time, and they're a those
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of us. And I raise my hand that doubted this team.
Doubted them mostly because we said, well, they've got a
bunch of They've got a lot of good players, a
couple very good players, but they don't have any historically
great players, and history tells us that you can't win
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a championship that way. This Finals, to me, validated their
lack of historically great players, but it also validated the
way they built their full team to make it not
matter that Jason Tatum didn't have a great series. It
didn't matter that Jalen Brown struggled from three, It didn't matter.
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How about this Colin. This to me is a stat
no one has said until this very moment, but it
speaks to how brilliant they were defensively. The fewest points
the Boston Celtics scored in any five game stretch all
season were the five games of the NBA Finals and
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they rolled to a title. Think about what that means. Offensively,
They just had their worst five game stretch of the
year and they won pretty easily in five games. Why
because they can guard one through five. They have no
weaknesses in that starting lineup. There are a lot of
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similarities to me to the two thousand for Detroit Pistons.
Not stylistically, but as far as no weakness is in
the starting lineup. You don't know who's going to be
the best offensive player any given night. Four of your
five starters can give you twenty at any moment, and
they are so connected and so great defensively that they
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crush you. So that's all the compliments. Now to answer
your question, when we say all time great, what do
we mean there have been seventy seven NBA champions. Are
we saying they're one of the ten greatest teams? Well,
they're clearly not that. Are we saying they are one
of the twenty five greatest?
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Maybe, Like if you want to say this is the
twenty fourth best team in NBA history, so be it.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
But when we're the question I would ask.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
The audience is are you convinced this year's Celtics are
better than last year's Nuggets.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
No, I'm not. I think that's an argument either direction.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Last year's Nuggets were not in all time team, So
this cell there are no yeah butts about it. They
won the championship. No one in the future will care
about the path, injuries, any of that. They won the
damn title. But do I think they're a historic team. No,
I don't think we've had a historically great team since
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the Kadis Steph Warriors. I don't think any champion since
then has been historically great.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know, I had said about Luca, I said the
difference the threshold between great bucket getter and champion is different. Duncan,
Michael and Magic sixteen titles. They were foundational leaders. Like defensively,
Magic not a great defender. But there is a huge
gap between Iverson and Lebron. Both get buckets and Luca
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looked overweight most of the year, looked tired in the finals.
I mean, when Jalen Brunson leaves and not only flourishes,
becomes a super star in the league, he's maybe not
the easiest guy to play with, perpetually barking, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Kyrie seemed to get along with him pretty well. Kyrie
couldn't get along with any player for five years. Kyrie
played his best basketball in six years. I want to
bide this, colin. I mean, you talk about Luca being overweight.
It hurt him so badly. He led the league in scoring,
He had his fifth straight All NBA First Team year,
and he dragged the MAVs to the finals. In all
of NBA history, as of a year ago, the only
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person ever to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds, and
assists was Jokic. Last year, there is now a second
person on that list. It's Luka Ancic, and he led
the playoffs in steels like there are. Kyrie struggled in
all three games in Boston. The MAVs role players, none
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of them played up to their playoff standard, now did Luka.
For them to win the title, they needed a A
plus basketball from Luca. They did not get that. That
is totally legitimate. But the idea that we are going
to use this season, at age twenty five years old,
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to do anything other than build up the legend of
Luka Doncic is insane to me. He is he has
gotten further in the playoffs at this age than Michael
then Lebron, than Jannis van Jokic, van Steph. He has
gotten as far in the playoffs at this age as Durant.
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He had the guy's Kobe Duncan magic who got further
at this age, had a Hall of Famer in their
prime alongside them. The Lucas stuff is not This is
not the time to go after Luca now what he
he lost his opportunity Colin to be the best player
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in the world. That's Jokich now until for until further notice.
Pardon me, but if you have a top three and
Lucas not in it, your top three is invalid.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Looks So if you don't have.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Him as one of the three best players in the world,
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Looked a little puffy to me, a little fatigued, but
you know that.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, he needs to get in better shape.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
He does, but you know what.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Can tire people out carrying this team to the NBA
finals and he and he's never has the greatest cardio.
That he does need to improve, There's no doubt about that.
He needs to improve that. But I do think where
he wouldn't use the injury as an excuse. I think
the injury made him look slower than he actually was.
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But yeah, to get to the next level, he needs
to get in slightly better shape. But my point is
the next level is clearcut best player alive. If he
stays at this level, he's going to be one of
the twenty five greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I was, you know, it was interesting when Aaron
missed the mini camp, and I said, yesterday, you know,
and I've said this before, never married, no kids, not
sure he has a pet. As you get older and richer,
you can get a little self absorbed, like you know, wives, kids, sacrificing.
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So I've seen this in the media. I've seen it
in sports. So if Aaron didn't want to go there
but to be a foxhole guy, the GM missed on
a quarterback in a left tackle, the coaches on the
hot seat. You have an offensive line that's brand new,
that won't play much in the preseason because old offensive
linemen don't and an old receiver coming in and two
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new ones. And I said, you would just show up
for the team, like if we were having a morale
building three day seminar, I think I'd show up for
the FS one, you know event you'd show up, Yeah,
you'd show up for yourself. I'm that's not a learning
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event for me. It's a team thing. It does sort
of rub me the wrong way. It's like, Aaron, you
played four snaps last year.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
It's it's you got Colin.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I think you're being a little too gentle. If the
reports are true, the hey give me in ten words
or less, what happened with Aaron Rodgers last week? The
answer is skipped work to do drugs. I don't really
need a longer story than that.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Now. I'm like that that.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I know that, and people are like, oh, Nick, get
with the times, guys. I am open to the healing, recuperative,
and therapeutic powers of a lot of substances. Some are
legal in this country, some are not. I am not
a prude in that regard. I will listen to you
on it. I got folks. I got friends in New
York that walk around Central Park microdosing mushrooms and say, oh,
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it's a changed my life.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
I'm open to it.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
But if you had a buddy that had was a
year into a new job and the first year.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Didn't go great, and it's like, Oh, they're.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Having that company wide off site that you've known about
for months.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Are you excited for it?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And it's like, oh, I actually told them I can't
make it and it's why I'm leaving the country.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
To go do drugs.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You'd be like, buddy, I think you won't have your
priorities in order, and it's like, no, no, no, I
need this for my mental health and all of these things.
But I'm going to use an awkward Colin Coward analogy
and that I'm not that great at There are a
lot of things that folks would like to do that
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what might improve their mental health.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
The new thing everybody does.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Everybody brings a dog on an airplane because they're a
nervous flyer. You know what really relaxes me on an
airplane al deous full flavored cigarette. I'm not allowed to
do it, even though it make me feel a lot better,
because they're like, hey, those are the rules. You know
what I bet Tyron Smith or somebody on the Jets
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might say, you know, to get my mind right before
the season, I would really like seven days in Bali
with no one bothering me on a beach zin meditating
and you know, what the Jets would say, No problem, buddy,
there are four weeks on the front end and six
weeks on the back end. When that's available, these three days,
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can you make sure you're at work? And every other
player was able to say yes, and Aaron said, can't
make it. This trip is too important. And if that
trip is because this is when I had scheduled months
ago my retreat to go to Ayahuasca, I don't know
why we have to patty cake around it. It is
a ridiculous choice and it is an indefensible choice. And
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what is it's going to happen, Colin, is when Aaron
comes out and talks.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
About this publicly. This is my prediction.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Not only is he not going to take accountability, he
is going to not so subtly slap Robert Sala's wrist.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Well, I don't know why that was, you know, discussed
the way it was. I did let them know. I'd
like to keep things in house and try to remind
everyone with the Jets that I am the top dog
here up to and including missing an event that every
single one of my teammates aside from Son Reddick, who's
not even fully a teammate yet was at because I
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had a pre scheduled appointment to go do ayahuasca supposedly.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I want to end it on this because it's a
cultural discussion as much as a basketball discussion. My initial take,
and I'm standing by it, is that the media doesn't
know how to handle Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark, but
Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark know how to handle it.
The media is parachuted in an awkwardly defended Clark who's like,
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I don't need defending its basketball. That was my initial take.
It's still my take. She's an excellent player. Both are
actually and that they're fine, and that there were one
hundred and thirty flagrants last year this year in the NBA.
There were sixty five last year in the WNBA exactly
half and they have exactly half the games. So flagrants happen,
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sometimes not by villains, many of the most like players
come in a flagrant. Things happen in sports. And I'm
gonna double down on this is that Angel and Caitlin,
for their age, are handling it almost like Dak Prescott level,
where they go to the podium, they know exactly what
they're doing. It is us that doesn't know how to
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handle it parachuting.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
In that is exactly right. So that is exactly right.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
So like, listen, if I were advising Caitlin, clue what
I have told her, Hey, there are some really nefarious
bad actors using you to be divisive and you might
want to get out ahead of this earlier than she did. Yes,
I would have advised her for that, But I think
she has handled all of this scrutiny in her early
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twenties and fame and all of it about.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I give her like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
A a minus on the grade sheet. Angel Reese, would
I have advised her, Hey, if you're going to kind
of lean into the villain role at the press conference,
don't say the refs. You know, it took control of
the game. There could be a little more accountability right
after the moment. Sure, but I give her an a
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minus in how she's handled it. I give the internet
and the sports media not only an F but you
have to.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Repeat the class.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
It is shameful what we're doing to these two young
women and the way they are being used as pawns
in what is our never ending national culture war that
has race at the forefront of it. There is there
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the fact that there are folks that paid for verified
Twitter accounts and are now trying to suckle off Elon's
money by putting up disingenuous fanning the flame tweets.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Whether it is that, you know, Caitlyn Clark is this.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Delicate flower that needs to be protected, Angel Reese is
some you know, some predatory villain, or the flip side
of it, the folks tweeting actually, when you look at it,
Caitlyn Clark not that good at basketball. All to get
engagement because they're gonna get a check from Twitter at
the end of the month is shameful. What is undeniably
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true is this, these two young women who are the
two most famous players in the league. Far from the
two best, but right now they're the two most famous.
They have been the best and the second best rookie
so far this year, the only two rookies averaging more
than ten points a game, these two, Caitlin one of
two players in the league averaging fifteen to five and five,
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Angel the only rookie averaging double digit rebounds, and neither
one of them is playing into this hole.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
They hate each other. Piece. I do think there's a
real rivalry.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I do think there is competitive fire and what they
are doing Colin, if I may just quickly, it is
exactly what the media begs NBA guys to do. Oh
back in Michael z Era, every people weren't so buddy buddy.
Now everyone's friends. Where's the competitive fire? We are seeing
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it and we're complaining about it and trying to turn
it into something that it's not. It's a great basketball
story and it's great for the lead. At some point
it will go back to being a basketball story.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I think the girls are great. I mean
it is. And I will say I will say this
with a bunch of kids in my life, is that
my kids are more mature than I was, certainly at
this time. You know, they've grown up with the you know,
tech and they they've gotten access to more information and
they're smarter. And I think a lot of it is
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Caitlin Clark has watched how to handle controversies in her life.
She's been a rock star for two or three years.
She's brilliant at the podium. And Angel Reese is kind
of leaning into the villain And that's okay too, because yeah,
I have defended Draymond Green, not just because he works
at my company occasionally, rarely infrequently. But the point is
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Steve Kerr considers him, after Curry, the most valuable commodity,
the most viable player. There's what Angel's doing is needed
on virtually every basketball team in time.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And if I made just quickly and then I know
we got to go. It is so patronizing to both
of them acting as if Caitlin needs protecting. She has
been a badass as a basketball player her whole life.
She doesn't need protecting and acting as if Angel is
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infallible in everything and that any criticism is unfair.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
She is a star athlete that we you know what
we do.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
With star athletes, pick at them, criticize them. They are
both and they will both be better for this, for
going through this, and I think eventually they are going
to be the actual earned faces of the league rather
than you know, great college players who are having good
rookie seasons. And it'll be excellent for it. But there
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people are uncomfortable with the fact that Caitlin, the hot shot,
high scoring rookie that's a little undersize, is getting beat
up a bit. But that is the story of sports, yes,
and it is not about her being a white girl,
and it is not about any of this other stuff.
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It is she is this rookie that is trying to
light the league on fire. Yeah, and bigger people are
going to remind her it's not going to be that easy.
That is how sports work, guys. Yeah, that's just how
it works.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah. By the way, Bryce Harper dealt with this, not
for a six game stretch, for three years. He walked
into I said this yesterday. The WNBA and baseball are
similar in that both have lamented the attention other sports
get NBA, NFL more than baseball. WNBA is like, hey,
we got an audience, you talk NBA. And so they're
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very insular. They can be a bit defensive. They're very
proud baseball. There's a way to play WNBA. We got this.
We're good at what we do. So I understand they're
a little defensive. When a newcomer comes in a lot
of US parachute to talk about their sports and only
talk Bryce Harper and Caitlyn Clark, like, I get a
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little pushback, and I'm I'm totally it's the junior senator,
like I get. When Tiger Woods came into golf. I
can remember being a local sportscaster. Do you guys ever
show anybody but Tiger And I'm like, he makes golf interesting.
To your point, Bryce Harper, Caitlyn Clark, Tiger Woods, we
have seen this over and over, by the way, and
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as far as the golf's very insular as well.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yes, and this I'll leave it at this, and even
you mentioned guys who were all time greats or Tiger
obviously Bryce a really, really great player. But the hey,
this rookie's getting a little too much publicity and we
want to take him down a notch.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Go look at somebody.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Go back and watch Lonzo ball first team game and
how he was guarded, honestly, and that wasn't race, that
wasn't money. That was essentially your daddy talks too much.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And we don't like it.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
And so that is that is part of sports, guys,
and everyone needs to just take a deep breath and
recognize whether you like it or not.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
The WNBA is going to follow a lot of.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
The beats of sports because it's a sport.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Good seeing you, buddy. First things first, after our show today,
I knew I knew we'd have a lively ending with
Caitlin Clark And you know, Nick and I don't agree
on a lot, but sports is great for a lot
of reasons, and one of them is you got to
earn it and prove it. And Caitlyn's going through that tunnel. Nick,
great seeing you as always. Rick Bukerel stopped my last
hour to talk about the Celtics championship, my favorite, one
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of my favorite parts of that though, and Nick said
a lot of interesting things. He said, I don't want
my first words to be criticizing the Celtics, and that's
how I felt this morning. My lead is, hey, listen,
this is a good team. I think it's more perfect
time for this team over dynastic. Derek White re signed.
Then all of a sudden you start looking at this team.
They could run off a few of them. But it
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is You can think things simultaneously that the WNBA is
a tad chippy, but this is how Bryce Harper, this
is how Lonzo ball, this is Tiger Woods. Certain sports,
the NFL is not. Football is America's sport wives women
account for like fifty percent of the viewers. But baseball
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is different. Golf has country clubs, private clubs. Baseball there's
a way to play the game. A lot of our
sports are very much about the club. Baseball's whole thing is, hey,
you don't stare at a home run, why not I
hit it? Golf, you don't walk in front of this,
you don't stand there, your shadows in the way. And
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these sports when you come into the sport, and WNBA
feels a little bit like that, not making money, not
getting coverage, second class travel. So when a rock star
comes in and the media and fans pay attention. It's
human nature that golf, baseball, WNBA. NFL doesn't deal with this.
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They're popular, everybody loves them. Boy girl, white, black Coast, Midwest.
That's different. NFL's open to everybody. It's tailgating, it's a
family event once a week. It's not insulur. It's not provincial.
Green Bay's good, New York's bad. It doesn't matter about money,
market size. NFL doesn't deal with this. NFL's got their
own issues, a regulated level of violence and players get hurt,
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you know. The NFL's you know, they've got their issues,
the CTE thing, the big billion dollar check they wrote.
But the WNBA, it can be kind of insulart, kind
of feels like a private club a little bit, and
they're making Caitlin go through the riggers and say it's
the prove it stage. And if you don't think Bryce
Harper went through it, he got into a fistfight with
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a teammate in his own dugout. I'm not joking.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
It was bon No.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It was aj who wasn't I vaguely remember, yes, but
with somebody on his you know, my bad, but.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You're not gonna expect that to happen.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Like Kateler Clark's teammates now, when she got knocked down
by Angel Reese, three of them ran over to I
would have liked another one to get in Angel Reese's face,
like what the hell is your problem? That would have
been nice to go back to a point you and
Nick were talking about real quick. You guys said, the
Celtics team is like good, but not like historically great.
Let's go through the post Durant Warrior teams and you
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tell me which one of those champions was better than
these Celtics.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well that the question is a fair one, but none
of them have been great. Well that's that's the point.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I think this is the best NBA champion we've seen
since the Durant Warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I think you could certainly make that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Numbers say that that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not opposed to that. I think
there is They're the deepest offensive team since the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Well, they're the season long metrics were awesome. No, I
mean they have the most twenty five point wins in
NBA history, the most fifty point wins. I think they
were utterly dominant all season.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If they became a three time champ over seven years,
we wouldn't be shocked. I'm saying, your argument is they're
not the Warriors, They're not Kobe Shack. I will say
they're the best team in this run of six straight
one offs.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Listen, this is not gon.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Celtics fans get upset when I keep mentioning this online
and I said it on my podcast, Colin, this Celtics
team is as good as any of the Larry Bird teams.
And the numbers say that. But we've got that set
William Bird and.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
McHale and Parish and DJ Well.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I'm just telling the numbers say what the Celtics team
net rating, offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, blow up the margin
of victory like they killed teams in a better era.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
The pace of play is completely different. Okay, the rules
you can't hand check now, well you and I mean you,
that was a you have to actually.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Remember they swallowed the whistle a little second half of
the season saw them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But the hand check is not allowed, so you can't.
I mean, listen, there's certain sports like baseball now it's
all about exit velocity and you know, I mean it's like,
I don't even the only even the NFL, which is
more pass centric than run centric, feels it's change. But basketball,
the pace of play. You could YouTube the Magic teams.
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They look plotting compared to the pace of play now.
Centers are leading the break. I mean Kareem wasn't leading
the break. He was, you know, galloping from behind. So yeah,
the Bird, that eighty six Walton Bird. That team is
the top four or five team I've ever seen. That's
one of the best passing teams, maybe the best passing
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team I've ever seen in basketball. That team was insane.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Wow, top you think their top five team all.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Time for a season, these Celtics were.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And I don't like anything Boston Colin all Boston teams,
I just like, I just love Jason Tatum and get.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
She's a good Please, he's awesome player.
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Speaker 1 (31:34):
Isn't that crazy? That's the oldest baseball stadium in America.
Isn't that crazy? They kind of a Major League Baseball
game there smart good events. So that Nick was talking
about the Aaron Rodgers thing. Basically he went on vacation
across the world and apparently wanted to do ayah atuasca.
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing,
but I do know where he was. But you know,
(31:56):
it's funny. I've said this in my life. If you
want to be a Super Bowl team, especially a dynasty,
you got to have an a at four areas owner, GM, coach, quarterback.
And that was Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys at that point, Jerry
was an a owner because he didn't medal with football.
He was a business guy New England for twenty years,
(32:18):
Kansas City currently Bill Walsh and the Niners. Eddie D.
Bartolo was a great owner, and the Cowboys when it
was Jimmy Johnson, the personnel, the front office, and Jimmy
at that Jerry at that point, first couple of years
was not a medaler. If you look at the jetsuse
to me, this is what makes Baltimore a Super Bowl
threat every year. Aaaa. Steve Bushatti, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson,
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and they've had Ozzie Newsome for years aaaa. I think
San Francisco, I don't see brock Perty is an a
more of a B. But that's why they haven't had
a trophy. But if you had to grade the Jets,
I would say Woody Johnson at best is a C
minus overly impulsive, some huge whiffs at head coach. The
general manager I like, but he whipped on a quarterback
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in the left tackle, so he's in the C plus
B minus category. The head coach is eighteen and thirty three.
I'd say incomplete, but it's not a great start. Aaron
has not been great in three years, but I'll as
a talent. He's not Josh Allen or Mahomes anymore. He's
not dynamic like Kyler or Lamar. He's not big and
strong like Justin Herbert. I don't consider him Joe Burrow,
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but I'll give him an A minus. So in a
weird way, he sought power leaving green Bay and he
got it because Green Bay had the infrastructure that he
got fatigued with. He didn't have a say. They didn't
have chaos. Green Bay has a's. They don't have an owner,
but the front office is excellent. They've hired excellent coaches.
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Jordan Love looks like he could be an a. The
Jets are a circus of C minuses, B minuses, C pluses.
Aaron wanted power, he got it, so they like he
is important to them. That's why the story this morning
is the Jets are willing to roll with the Aaron
Rodgers drama. They don't have a choice. It's the Jets.
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Green Bay at the end had a choice. It was
called Jordan Love. And they're like, no, we're moving off
the drama. So teams that are willing to deal with drama.
They don't choose to do it. The headline's wrong. They
don't have a choice if you're as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers in the end said, no, we're gonna go
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with the unproven kid. We don't want the drama. The
Jets are like, will take it, give up picks. But
if you start looking at what makes you that's why
Jet fans are ridiculous. They think we're being critical. Look
at what gets you into the Super Bowl bubble. AAAA
could be the New York Giants when they had conflin
and at that point the ownership group felt like they
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weren't as impulsive. They felt like an A. So I
mean and I'm I think, Oh Douglas is good, but
he's missed on a left tackle and a quarterback, you're
out of the eight. You can't. Bill Polian wasn't missing
on quarterbacks and left tackles in a two year stretch,
Like you can't miss on those two. You can miss
on a number two corner, a tight end. You can't
missing a left tackle and a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Did I see you with a C minus for the
Jets owner? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
C minus?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Its extremely generous.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I thought, I'm going to be the biggest curve I've
ever seen. He is a flat out f according to
any Jets fan, like he's.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm I think I'm diplomatic giving sala An incomplete. He's
eighteen and thirty three and a defensive coach. I think
I'm being kind here?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is it okay to like sala a lot? As a person? Everything?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He's everything he says outside of the Ian Rodgers nonsense,
Like you're rooting for sala yes, but as a head coach,
he's a lot to be desired.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, but you know again, you're missing a quarterback and
a left tackle. The coach takes the hit. Nobody's winning
with Zach Wilson and a revolving door at left tackle.
So you can blame sala but you got to hit
on those two picks. By you won a lot with
no Not really, Yu's won a national championship. They didn't
win that much?
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Was that?
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Speaker 4 (36:59):
Sean McVeigh is entering his eighth season as Rams coach.
That seems like it's flown by. You know, he's got
a big void to fill when Aaron Donald departed. Despite
the challenges LA will face the season, McVeigh feeling rejuvenated.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
You know what's cool is uh being around this group
and especially even last year, it feels like it's year
one again.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I really mean that.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
I feel like these last couple of years there's really
just been a real renewed purpose and perspective that reminds
you of what a blessing this is I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
They looks like he's working out with you.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
There.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You see the pipes on that guy.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Guys, he's just putting in the time.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Get older.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You got to put in the time getting older.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Is he even forty yet?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
What is he thirty eight? I don't know. No. I
think he is the great culture builder in the league.
I think, you know, Shanahan is more considered. We think
of Shanahan, we think of that play sheet, and I
think McVay we think about his energy and the culture building.
Lafleur we think about I think about Lafleur. I think
about him developing young players. Green Bay's very young. I
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think they all have strainths. I don't know if any
of them has a weakness. But McVay, he is thirty
eight years old. So the LA got really lucky. They
got football comes back to LA and you get your
coach as Sean McVay. Let me tell you something that
he is if he spent another twelve years here. There's
a lot of that's gone right in Los Angeles. SOFI
(38:25):
stadiums unbelievable. Jared Goff is a great first quarterback in
the Matt Stafford, Cooper Cup, Sean McVay Aaron Donald. Like
a lot of times you'll see like expansion teams and
they just can't get the coach right or the quarterback right.
One thing, this franchise since they since they really became
the La Rams coach quarterback, they've been.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
A I know you're big on the defense, in the
offensive line. I think the steal of the draft could
be Blake Krum Adam Michigan. He loved him, and I
know the Chargers wanted it badly. Great get for McVeagh
and the Rams.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Next up, let's talk about a Marii Cooper's holdout.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
He wants a long term deal. Listen, the last summer,
it was the running back issues everywhere. Now it's the
wide receiver issues everywhere.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Uh GM.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Andrew Berry of Cleveland didn't comment on their negotiations with
Amari Cooper, but spoke to what he means to the team.
Speaker 10 (39:19):
What I will say about Amar though, is since he's
been a member of the Cleveland Browns, he's obviously been
a high level Pro Bowl Calimber receiver, but he's also
a great teammate, and he's a great professional, and we're
happy to have him as a member of the organization.
You know, all teams will have periers where they go
through these type of situations.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But it does not change our affinity for Amar.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
You know, we'll navigate, you know, call it them business
considerations and the business aspects as it as it as
it goes. But you know he's gonna he is a
big part of our team and just as importantly, he's
a big part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah. I mean he's a pro, and that's what I
like about him. He's a he's a professional on the
field off highly productive. I still think Dallas made a
mistake getting rid of him. I thought Dak pulled back.
You know, they paid Zeke early. I thought they should
have never let go of Amari Cooper. How good would
Dallas be if they had Ceedee Lamb and Amari Cooper?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hoot Judy and Cooper once they get this deal work out,
I'm down.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm not a Jerry Jo.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
The final story is speaking of wide receiver holdouts, t
Higgins had skipped all of mandatory mini camp but finally
signed his franchise tag and is expected to a.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Tend training camp in late July. So a win for
the Bungles.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's nice get with T Higgins on board for at
least one more season right now.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's why they created the franchise tag.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I don't love it. Well, you don't have to like
player mobility. I'm rooting for the players. You root for
the owners.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I root for stability and financial prudence. You root for
everybody gets the battle.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I want those guys to get paid.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
They put against the great getting and even quarterbacks who
are great being paid early. You are ice cream for
breakfast at everybody gets a scoop of chocolate chip ice
cream every morning. That is me, marshmallow flavoring and sprinkles,
and then they have to go to the dentist. You
know my kid j Meg with the news.
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Don't you guys have a salary cap at home? I
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Yeah, I bet you absolutely does not know.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our number two Celtics or champs.
We like Boston and six Jalen Brown the MVP, So
we got that right. Jamack was on Dallas. He deserved
credit the entire playoff run. It became pretty obvious. Bye,
I would say second quarter of Game two, it was
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just a bad matchup. It was just it was I
was saying this last night, is that it was dispersed
him Duncan against Lebron's early Cleveland teams is you know,
you gotta get Cleveland credit for getting there. They had Lebron,
streaky shooters in the out side, Zadrunas Olgoskas, good energy.
But about game two of the series, You're like, they're
just not equipped to beat this team. Coaching down, They're
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just not equipped. Dallas was not equipped to beat this team.
They don't have as many guys as the Celtics have shooters. Also,
the Celtics were an old veteran team. I mean the
second third best player for the Mavericks is a kid.
He's nineteen years old.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And the best player on the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Jason Tatum was absolutely picking on Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Derek Lively.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Nobody could guard Tatum in space, led the Celtics in points, rebounds,
and says, what a series for the iconic Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown hear their final numbers.
Now a lot of you wanted Tatum as the MVP
just to annoy me. Yes, Tatum average a point and
a half more a game, but Brown was significantly more efficient,
had a better plus minus, and guarded Luca. And the
other thing is Game three was the pivotal game because
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Boston held home court. If Dallas wins Game three, we
got ourselves a series. And there were two moments in
Game three. Remember Celtics take a lead, here come the MAVs.
The crowd is roaring. Jalen Brown took the basketball top
of the circle and put down and in your face
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jam for the ages to quiet the Dallas crowd. That
was the play of the series. Remember, Boston had just
won their home games. If Dallas wins Game three, who cares?
We've got a series. There was a second moment, Dallas
still fighting like man, Boston leads one hundred and ninety
eight minute left. They need a bucket. Jalen Brown again
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hit the most important bucket to that point in the series.
So who guarded Luca Jalen Brown, who was more efficient?
Jalen Brown, who had the better plus minus Jalen Brown,
who hit the two big shots in the moment in
a series when Dallas could seize control of it. Two
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for two, Jalen Brown Tatum scored a point and a
half more a lot of it in last night's blowout.
I'm sorry, I thought the choice was easy. Here was
Jalen on winning the MVP.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It could have gone to anybody. It could have gone
to Jason. Jason like, I can't talk enough about his selflessness,
you know, I can't talk enough about his attitude. And
it's just how he approached not just this series or
the finals, but just the playoffs in general. And we
did it together as a team.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I see Jalen Brown a lot like I do. Dwayne
Wade physical, relentless power over finesse went to a non
basketball power, a little ignored in college. But then you know,
if you recall d Wade had a very good March Madness.
Jalen Brown was hyper athletic at Cal and they just
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kept getting better, better and better and better. And again
I think he's the most aggressive Celtic in big spots.
I thought he hit the two big shots in this series.
Here was Tatum on Brown winning the MVP. We don't
have it. Let's go live to Nick Wright, co hosts
(04:20):
First Things First? Who is now Jonius Live Customary on Tuesday?
All right, so let's start with this. I said, just
because you win the Oscars for Best Movie, you're not
an all time movie. It could be an all time moment.
And I think this moment in time. A week East
Denver knocked out Dallas a little over their skis as
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a five seed. It's a moment in time. This is
a great Chris Brussard did this yesterday. He said, you
can go back to the Doctor Jay got Moses Malone team.
It wasn't a dynasty, but for a year or two
they were really really great. Is that how you classify
this Celtics team, Well.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Listen, I don't want the first thing I say on
TV post them winning the championship to be downplaying them.
So I'm going I will answer your question eventually, but
I first want to say this. This is a great
team in this moment in time, and they're a those
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of us. And I raise my hand that doubted this team.
Doubted them mostly because we said, well, they've got a
bunch of They've got a lot of good players, a
couple very good players, but they don't have any historically
great players, and history tells us that you can't win
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a championship that way. This Finals, to me, validated their
lack of historically great players, but it also validated the
way they built their full team to make it not
matter that Jason Tatum didn't have a great series. It
didn't matter that Jalen Brown struggled from three, It didn't matter.
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How about this Colin. This to me is a stat
no one has said until this very moment, but it
speaks to how brilliant they were defensively. The fewest points
the Boston Celtics scored in any five game stretch all
season were the five games of the NBA Finals and
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they rolled to a title. Think about what that means. Offensively,
They just had their worst five game stretch of the
year and they won pretty easily in five games. Why
because they can guard one through five. They have no
weaknesses in that starting lineup. There are a lot of
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similarities to me to the two thousand for Detroit Pistons.
Not stylistically, but as far as no weakness is in
the starting lineup. You don't know who's going to be
the best offensive player any given night. Four of your
five starters can give you twenty at any moment, and
they are so connected and so great defensively that they
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crush you. So that's all the compliments. Now to answer
your question, when we say all time great, what do
we mean there have been seventy seven NBA champions. Are
we saying they're one of the ten greatest teams? Well,
they're clearly not that. Are we saying they are one
of the twenty five greatest?
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Maybe, Like if you want to say this is the
twenty fourth best team in NBA history, so be it.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
But when we're the question I would ask.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
The audience is are you convinced this year's Celtics are
better than last year's Nuggets.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
No, I'm not. I think that's an argument either direction.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Last year's Nuggets were not in all time team, So
this cell there are no yeah butts about it. They
won the championship. No one in the future will care
about the path, injuries, any of that. They won the
damn title. But do I think they're a historic team. No,
I don't think we've had a historically great team since
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the Kadis Steph Warriors. I don't think any champion since
then has been historically great.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know, I had said about Luca, I said the
difference the threshold between great bucket getter and champion is different. Duncan,
Michael and Magic sixteen titles. They were foundational leaders. Like defensively,
Magic not a great defender. But there is a huge
gap between Iverson and Lebron. Both get buckets and Luca
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looked overweight most of the year, looked tired in the finals.
I mean, when Jalen Brunson leaves and not only flourishes,
becomes a super star in the league, he's maybe not
the easiest guy to play with, perpetually barking, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Kyrie seemed to get along with him pretty well. Kyrie
couldn't get along with any player for five years. Kyrie
played his best basketball in six years. I want to
bide this, colin. I mean, you talk about Luca being overweight.
It hurt him so badly. He led the league in scoring,
He had his fifth straight All NBA First Team year,
and he dragged the MAVs to the finals. In all
of NBA history, as of a year ago, the only
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person ever to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds, and
assists was Jokic. Last year, there is now a second
person on that list. It's Luka Ancic, and he led
the playoffs in steels like there are. Kyrie struggled in
all three games in Boston. The MAVs role players, none
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of them played up to their playoff standard, now did Luka.
For them to win the title, they needed a A
plus basketball from Luca. They did not get that. That
is totally legitimate. But the idea that we are going
to use this season, at age twenty five years old,
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to do anything other than build up the legend of
Luka Doncic is insane to me. He is he has
gotten further in the playoffs at this age than Michael
then Lebron, than Jannis van Jokic, van Steph. He has
gotten as far in the playoffs at this age as Durant.
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He had the guy's Kobe Duncan magic who got further
at this age, had a Hall of Famer in their
prime alongside them. The Lucas stuff is not This is
not the time to go after Luca now what he
he lost his opportunity Colin to be the best player
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in the world. That's Jokich now until for until further notice.
Pardon me, but if you have a top three and
Lucas not in it, your top three is invalid.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Looks So if you don't have.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Him as one of the three best players in the world,
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Looked a little puffy to me, a little fatigued, but
you know that.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, he needs to get in better shape.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
He does, but you know what.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Can tire people out carrying this team to the NBA
finals and he and he's never has the greatest cardio.
That he does need to improve, There's no doubt about that.
He needs to improve that. But I do think where
he wouldn't use the injury as an excuse. I think
the injury made him look slower than he actually was.
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But yeah, to get to the next level, he needs
to get in slightly better shape. But my point is
the next level is clearcut best player alive. If he
stays at this level, he's going to be one of
the twenty five greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I was, you know, it was interesting when Aaron
missed the mini camp, and I said, yesterday, you know,
and I've said this before, never married, no kids, not
sure he has a pet. As you get older and richer,
you can get a little self absorbed, like you know, wives, kids, sacrificing.
(12:19):
So I've seen this in the media. I've seen it
in sports. So if Aaron didn't want to go there
but to be a foxhole guy, the GM missed on
a quarterback in a left tackle, the coaches on the
hot seat. You have an offensive line that's brand new,
that won't play much in the preseason because old offensive
linemen don't and an old receiver coming in and two
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new ones. And I said, you would just show up
for the team, like if we were having a morale
building three day seminar, I think I'd show up for
the FS one, you know event you'd show up, Yeah,
you'd show up for yourself. I'm that's not a learning
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event for me. It's a team thing. It does sort
of rub me the wrong way. It's like, Aaron, you
played four snaps last year.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
It's it's you got Colin.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I think you're being a little too gentle. If the
reports are true, the hey give me in ten words
or less, what happened with Aaron Rodgers last week? The
answer is skipped work to do drugs. I don't really
need a longer story than that.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Now. I'm like that that.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I know that, and people are like, oh, Nick, get
with the times, guys. I am open to the healing, recuperative,
and therapeutic powers of a lot of substances. Some are
legal in this country, some are not. I am not
a prude in that regard. I will listen to you
on it. I got folks. I got friends in New
York that walk around Central Park microdosing mushrooms and say, oh,
(13:58):
it's a changed my life.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
I'm open to it.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
But if you had a buddy that had was a
year into a new job and the first year.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Didn't go great, and it's like, Oh, they're.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Having that company wide off site that you've known about
for months.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Are you excited for it?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And it's like, oh, I actually told them I can't
make it and it's why I'm leaving the country.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
To go do drugs.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You'd be like, buddy, I think you won't have your
priorities in order, and it's like, no, no, no, I
need this for my mental health and all of these things.
But I'm going to use an awkward Colin Coward analogy
and that I'm not that great at There are a
lot of things that folks would like to do that
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what might improve their mental health.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
The new thing everybody does.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Everybody brings a dog on an airplane because they're a
nervous flyer. You know what really relaxes me on an
airplane al deous full flavored cigarette. I'm not allowed to
do it, even though it make me feel a lot better,
because they're like, hey, those are the rules. You know
what I bet Tyron Smith or somebody on the Jets
(15:12):
might say, you know, to get my mind right before
the season, I would really like seven days in Bali
with no one bothering me on a beach zin meditating
and you know, what the Jets would say, No problem, buddy,
there are four weeks on the front end and six
weeks on the back end. When that's available, these three days,
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can you make sure you're at work? And every other
player was able to say yes, and Aaron said, can't
make it. This trip is too important. And if that
trip is because this is when I had scheduled months
ago my retreat to go to Ayahuasca, I don't know
why we have to patty cake around it. It is
a ridiculous choice and it is an indefensible choice. And
(15:59):
what is it's going to happen, Colin, is when Aaron
comes out and talks.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
About this publicly. This is my prediction.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Not only is he not going to take accountability, he
is going to not so subtly slap Robert Sala's wrist.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Well, I don't know why that was, you know, discussed
the way it was. I did let them know. I'd
like to keep things in house and try to remind
everyone with the Jets that I am the top dog
here up to and including missing an event that every
single one of my teammates aside from Son Reddick, who's
not even fully a teammate yet was at because I
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had a pre scheduled appointment to go do ayahuasca supposedly.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I want to end it on this because it's a
cultural discussion as much as a basketball discussion. My initial take,
and I'm standing by it, is that the media doesn't
know how to handle Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark, but
Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark know how to handle it.
The media is parachuted in an awkwardly defended Clark who's like,
(17:04):
I don't need defending its basketball. That was my initial take.
It's still my take. She's an excellent player. Both are
actually and that they're fine, and that there were one
hundred and thirty flagrants last year this year in the NBA.
There were sixty five last year in the WNBA exactly
half and they have exactly half the games. So flagrants happen,
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sometimes not by villains, many of the most like players
come in a flagrant. Things happen in sports. And I'm
gonna double down on this is that Angel and Caitlin,
for their age, are handling it almost like Dak Prescott level,
where they go to the podium, they know exactly what
they're doing. It is us that doesn't know how to
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handle it parachuting.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
In that is exactly right. So that is exactly right.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
So like, listen, if I were advising Caitlin, clue what
I have told her, Hey, there are some really nefarious
bad actors using you to be divisive and you might
want to get out ahead of this earlier than she did. Yes,
I would have advised her for that, But I think
she has handled all of this scrutiny in her early
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twenties and fame and all of it about.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I give her like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
A a minus on the grade sheet. Angel Reese, would
I have advised her, Hey, if you're going to kind
of lean into the villain role at the press conference,
don't say the refs. You know, it took control of
the game. There could be a little more accountability right
after the moment. Sure, but I give her an a
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minus in how she's handled it. I give the internet
and the sports media not only an F but you
have to.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Repeat the class.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
It is shameful what we're doing to these two young
women and the way they are being used as pawns
in what is our never ending national culture war that
has race at the forefront of it. There is there
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the fact that there are folks that paid for verified
Twitter accounts and are now trying to suckle off Elon's
money by putting up disingenuous fanning the flame tweets.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Whether it is that, you know, Caitlyn Clark is this.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Delicate flower that needs to be protected, Angel Reese is
some you know, some predatory villain, or the flip side
of it, the folks tweeting actually, when you look at it,
Caitlyn Clark not that good at basketball. All to get
engagement because they're gonna get a check from Twitter at
the end of the month is shameful. What is undeniably
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true is this, these two young women who are the
two most famous players in the league. Far from the
two best, but right now they're the two most famous.
They have been the best and the second best rookie
so far this year, the only two rookies averaging more
than ten points a game, these two, Caitlin one of
two players in the league averaging fifteen to five and five,
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Angel the only rookie averaging double digit rebounds, and neither
one of them is playing into this hole.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
They hate each other. Piece. I do think there's a
real rivalry.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I do think there is competitive fire and what they
are doing Colin, if I may just quickly, it is
exactly what the media begs NBA guys to do. Oh
back in Michael z Era, every people weren't so buddy buddy.
Now everyone's friends. Where's the competitive fire? We are seeing
(20:51):
it and we're complaining about it and trying to turn
it into something that it's not. It's a great basketball
story and it's great for the lead. At some point
it will go back to being a basketball story.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I think the girls are great. I mean
it is. And I will say I will say this
with a bunch of kids in my life, is that
my kids are more mature than I was, certainly at
this time. You know, they've grown up with the you know,
tech and they they've gotten access to more information and
they're smarter. And I think a lot of it is
(21:24):
Caitlin Clark has watched how to handle controversies in her life.
She's been a rock star for two or three years.
She's brilliant at the podium. And Angel Reese is kind
of leaning into the villain And that's okay too, because yeah,
I have defended Draymond Green, not just because he works
at my company occasionally, rarely infrequently. But the point is
(21:49):
Steve Kerr considers him, after Curry, the most valuable commodity,
the most viable player. There's what Angel's doing is needed
on virtually every basketball team in time.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And if I made just quickly and then I know
we got to go. It is so patronizing to both
of them acting as if Caitlin needs protecting. She has
been a badass as a basketball player her whole life.
She doesn't need protecting and acting as if Angel is
(22:24):
infallible in everything and that any criticism is unfair.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
She is a star athlete that we you know what
we do.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
With star athletes, pick at them, criticize them. They are
both and they will both be better for this, for
going through this, and I think eventually they are going
to be the actual earned faces of the league rather
than you know, great college players who are having good
rookie seasons. And it'll be excellent for it. But there
(22:56):
people are uncomfortable with the fact that Caitlin, the hot shot,
high scoring rookie that's a little undersize, is getting beat
up a bit. But that is the story of sports, yes,
and it is not about her being a white girl,
and it is not about any of this other stuff.
(23:17):
It is she is this rookie that is trying to
light the league on fire. Yeah, and bigger people are
going to remind her it's not going to be that easy.
That is how sports work, guys. Yeah, that's just how
it works.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah. By the way, Bryce Harper dealt with this, not
for a six game stretch, for three years. He walked
into I said this yesterday. The WNBA and baseball are
similar in that both have lamented the attention other sports
get NBA, NFL more than baseball. WNBA is like, hey,
we got an audience, you talk NBA. And so they're
(23:51):
very insular. They can be a bit defensive. They're very
proud baseball. There's a way to play WNBA. We got this.
We're good at what we do. So I understand they're
a little defensive. When a newcomer comes in a lot
of US parachute to talk about their sports and only
talk Bryce Harper and Caitlyn Clark, like, I get a
(24:13):
little pushback, and I'm I'm totally it's the junior senator,
like I get. When Tiger Woods came into golf. I
can remember being a local sportscaster. Do you guys ever
show anybody but Tiger And I'm like, he makes golf interesting.
To your point, Bryce Harper, Caitlyn Clark, Tiger Woods, we
have seen this over and over, by the way, and
(24:36):
as far as the golf's very insular as well.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yes, and this I'll leave it at this, and even
you mentioned guys who were all time greats or Tiger
obviously Bryce a really, really great player. But the hey,
this rookie's getting a little too much publicity and we
want to take him down a notch.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Go look at somebody.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Go back and watch Lonzo ball first team game and
how he was guarded, honestly, and that wasn't race, that
wasn't money. That was essentially your daddy talks too much.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And we don't like it.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
And so that is that is part of sports, guys,
and everyone needs to just take a deep breath and
recognize whether you like it or not.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
The WNBA is going to follow a lot of.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
The beats of sports because it's a sport.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Good seeing you, buddy. First things first, after our show today,
I knew I knew we'd have a lively ending with
Caitlin Clark And you know, Nick and I don't agree
on a lot, but sports is great for a lot
of reasons, and one of them is you got to
earn it and prove it. And Caitlyn's going through that tunnel. Nick,
great seeing you as always. Rick Bukerel stopped my last
hour to talk about the Celtics championship, my favorite, one
(25:49):
of my favorite parts of that though, and Nick said
a lot of interesting things. He said, I don't want
my first words to be criticizing the Celtics, and that's
how I felt this morning. My lead is, hey, listen,
this is a good team. I think it's more perfect
time for this team over dynastic. Derek White re signed.
Then all of a sudden you start looking at this team.
They could run off a few of them. But it
(26:10):
is You can think things simultaneously that the WNBA is
a tad chippy, but this is how Bryce Harper, this
is how Lonzo ball, this is Tiger Woods. Certain sports,
the NFL is not. Football is America's sport wives women
account for like fifty percent of the viewers. But baseball
(26:32):
is different. Golf has country clubs, private clubs. Baseball there's
a way to play the game. A lot of our
sports are very much about the club. Baseball's whole thing is, hey,
you don't stare at a home run, why not I
hit it? Golf, you don't walk in front of this,
you don't stand there, your shadows in the way. And
(26:54):
these sports when you come into the sport, and WNBA
feels a little bit like that, not making money, not
getting coverage, second class travel. So when a rock star
comes in and the media and fans pay attention. It's
human nature that golf, baseball, WNBA. NFL doesn't deal with this.
(27:16):
They're popular, everybody loves them. Boy girl, white, black Coast, Midwest.
That's different. NFL's open to everybody. It's tailgating, it's a
family event once a week. It's not insulur. It's not provincial.
Green Bay's good, New York's bad. It doesn't matter about money,
market size. NFL doesn't deal with this. NFL's got their
own issues, a regulated level of violence and players get hurt,
(27:38):
you know. The NFL's you know, they've got their issues,
the CTE thing, the big billion dollar check they wrote.
But the WNBA, it can be kind of insulart, kind
of feels like a private club a little bit, and
they're making Caitlin go through the riggers and say it's
the prove it stage. And if you don't think Bryce
Harper went through it, he got into a fistfight with
(27:59):
a teammate in his own dugout. I'm not joking.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
It was bon No.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It was aj who wasn't I vaguely remember, yes, but
with somebody on his you know, my bad, but.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You're not gonna expect that to happen.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Like Kateler Clark's teammates now, when she got knocked down
by Angel Reese, three of them ran over to I
would have liked another one to get in Angel Reese's face,
like what the hell is your problem? That would have
been nice to go back to a point you and
Nick were talking about real quick. You guys said, the
Celtics team is like good, but not like historically great.
Let's go through the post Durant Warrior teams and you
(28:36):
tell me which one of those champions was better than
these Celtics.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well that the question is a fair one, but none
of them have been great. Well that's that's the point.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I think this is the best NBA champion we've seen
since the Durant Warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I think you could certainly make that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Numbers say that that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not opposed to that. I think
there is They're the deepest offensive team since the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Well, they're the season long metrics were awesome. No, I
mean they have the most twenty five point wins in
NBA history, the most fifty point wins. I think they
were utterly dominant all season.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If they became a three time champ over seven years,
we wouldn't be shocked. I'm saying, your argument is they're
not the Warriors, They're not Kobe Shack. I will say
they're the best team in this run of six straight
one offs.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Listen, this is not gon.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Celtics fans get upset when I keep mentioning this online
and I said it on my podcast, Colin, this Celtics
team is as good as any of the Larry Bird teams.
And the numbers say that. But we've got that set
William Bird and.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
McHale and Parish and DJ Well.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I'm just telling the numbers say what the Celtics team
net rating, offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, blow up the margin
of victory like they killed teams in a better era.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
The pace of play is completely different. Okay, the rules
you can't hand check now, well you and I mean you,
that was a you have to actually.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Remember they swallowed the whistle a little second half of
the season saw them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But the hand check is not allowed, so you can't.
I mean, listen, there's certain sports like baseball now it's
all about exit velocity and you know, I mean it's like,
I don't even the only even the NFL, which is
more pass centric than run centric, feels it's change. But basketball,
the pace of play. You could YouTube the Magic teams.
(30:28):
They look plotting compared to the pace of play now.
Centers are leading the break. I mean Kareem wasn't leading
the break. He was, you know, galloping from behind. So yeah,
the Bird, that eighty six Walton Bird. That team is
the top four or five team I've ever seen. That's
one of the best passing teams, maybe the best passing
(30:48):
team I've ever seen in basketball. That team was insane.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Wow, top you think their top five team all.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Time for a season, these Celtics were.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And I don't like anything Boston Colin all Boston teams,
I just like, I just love Jason Tatum and get.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
She's a good Please, he's awesome player.
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Speaker 4 (31:19):
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Speaker 1 (31:34):
Isn't that crazy? That's the oldest baseball stadium in America.
Isn't that crazy? They kind of a Major League Baseball
game there smart good events. So that Nick was talking
about the Aaron Rodgers thing. Basically he went on vacation
across the world and apparently wanted to do ayah atuasca.
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing,
but I do know where he was. But you know,
(31:56):
it's funny. I've said this in my life. If you
want to be a Super Bowl team, especially a dynasty,
you got to have an a at four areas owner, GM, coach, quarterback.
And that was Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys at that point, Jerry
was an a owner because he didn't medal with football.
He was a business guy New England for twenty years,
(32:18):
Kansas City currently Bill Walsh and the Niners. Eddie D.
Bartolo was a great owner, and the Cowboys when it
was Jimmy Johnson, the personnel, the front office, and Jimmy
at that Jerry at that point, first couple of years
was not a medaler. If you look at the jetsuse
to me, this is what makes Baltimore a Super Bowl
threat every year. Aaaa. Steve Bushatti, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson,
(32:42):
and they've had Ozzie Newsome for years aaaa. I think
San Francisco, I don't see brock Perty is an a
more of a B. But that's why they haven't had
a trophy. But if you had to grade the Jets,
I would say Woody Johnson at best is a C
minus overly impulsive, some huge whiffs at head coach. The
general manager I like, but he whipped on a quarterback
(33:03):
in the left tackle, so he's in the C plus
B minus category. The head coach is eighteen and thirty three.
I'd say incomplete, but it's not a great start. Aaron
has not been great in three years, but I'll as
a talent. He's not Josh Allen or Mahomes anymore. He's
not dynamic like Kyler or Lamar. He's not big and
strong like Justin Herbert. I don't consider him Joe Burrow,
(33:26):
but I'll give him an A minus. So in a
weird way, he sought power leaving green Bay and he
got it because Green Bay had the infrastructure that he
got fatigued with. He didn't have a say. They didn't
have chaos. Green Bay has a's. They don't have an owner,
but the front office is excellent. They've hired excellent coaches.
(33:49):
Jordan Love looks like he could be an a. The
Jets are a circus of C minuses, B minuses, C pluses.
Aaron wanted power, he got it, so they like he
is important to them. That's why the story this morning
is the Jets are willing to roll with the Aaron
Rodgers drama. They don't have a choice. It's the Jets.
(34:12):
Green Bay at the end had a choice. It was
called Jordan Love. And they're like, no, we're moving off
the drama. So teams that are willing to deal with drama.
They don't choose to do it. The headline's wrong. They
don't have a choice if you're as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers in the end said, no, we're gonna go
(34:33):
with the unproven kid. We don't want the drama. The
Jets are like, will take it, give up picks. But
if you start looking at what makes you that's why
Jet fans are ridiculous. They think we're being critical. Look
at what gets you into the Super Bowl bubble. AAAA
could be the New York Giants when they had conflin
and at that point the ownership group felt like they
(34:54):
weren't as impulsive. They felt like an A. So I
mean and I'm I think, Oh Douglas is good, but
he's missed on a left tackle and a quarterback, you're
out of the eight. You can't. Bill Polian wasn't missing
on quarterbacks and left tackles in a two year stretch,
Like you can't miss on those two. You can miss
on a number two corner, a tight end. You can't
missing a left tackle and a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Did I see you with a C minus for the
Jets owner? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
C minus?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Its extremely generous.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I thought, I'm going to be the biggest curve I've
ever seen. He is a flat out f according to
any Jets fan, like he's.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm I think I'm diplomatic giving sala An incomplete. He's
eighteen and thirty three and a defensive coach. I think
I'm being kind here?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is it okay to like sala a lot? As a person? Everything?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He's everything he says outside of the Ian Rodgers nonsense,
Like you're rooting for sala yes, but as a head coach,
he's a lot to be desired.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, but you know again, you're missing a quarterback and
a left tackle. The coach takes the hit. Nobody's winning
with Zach Wilson and a revolving door at left tackle.
So you can blame sala but you got to hit
on those two picks. By you won a lot with
no Not really, Yu's won a national championship. They didn't
win that much?
Speaker 7 (36:06):
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Speaker 4 (36:59):
Sean McVeigh is entering his eighth season as Rams coach.
That seems like it's flown by. You know, he's got
a big void to fill when Aaron Donald departed. Despite
the challenges LA will face the season, McVeigh feeling rejuvenated.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
You know what's cool is uh being around this group
and especially even last year, it feels like it's year
one again.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I really mean that.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
I feel like these last couple of years there's really
just been a real renewed purpose and perspective that reminds
you of what a blessing this is I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
They looks like he's working out with you.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
There.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You see the pipes on that guy.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Guys, he's just putting in the time.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Get older.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You got to put in the time getting older.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Is he even forty yet?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
What is he thirty eight? I don't know. No. I
think he is the great culture builder in the league.
I think, you know, Shanahan is more considered. We think
of Shanahan, we think of that play sheet, and I
think McVay we think about his energy and the culture building.
Lafleur we think about I think about Lafleur. I think
about him developing young players. Green Bay's very young. I
(38:03):
think they all have strainths. I don't know if any
of them has a weakness. But McVay, he is thirty
eight years old. So the LA got really lucky. They
got football comes back to LA and you get your
coach as Sean McVay. Let me tell you something that
he is if he spent another twelve years here. There's
a lot of that's gone right in Los Angeles. SOFI
(38:25):
stadiums unbelievable. Jared Goff is a great first quarterback in
the Matt Stafford, Cooper Cup, Sean McVay Aaron Donald. Like
a lot of times you'll see like expansion teams and
they just can't get the coach right or the quarterback right.
One thing, this franchise since they since they really became
the La Rams coach quarterback, they've been.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
A I know you're big on the defense, in the
offensive line. I think the steal of the draft could
be Blake Krum Adam Michigan. He loved him, and I
know the Chargers wanted it badly. Great get for McVeagh
and the Rams.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Next up, let's talk about a Marii Cooper's holdout.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
He wants a long term deal. Listen, the last summer,
it was the running back issues everywhere. Now it's the
wide receiver issues everywhere.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Uh GM.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Andrew Berry of Cleveland didn't comment on their negotiations with
Amari Cooper, but spoke to what he means to the team.
Speaker 10 (39:19):
What I will say about Amar though, is since he's
been a member of the Cleveland Browns, he's obviously been
a high level Pro Bowl Calimber receiver, but he's also
a great teammate, and he's a great professional, and we're
happy to have him as a member of the organization.
You know, all teams will have periers where they go
through these type of situations.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But it does not change our affinity for Amar.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
You know, we'll navigate, you know, call it them business
considerations and the business aspects as it as it as
it goes. But you know he's gonna he is a
big part of our team and just as importantly, he's
a big part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah. I mean he's a pro, and that's what I
like about him. He's a he's a professional on the
field off highly productive. I still think Dallas made a
mistake getting rid of him. I thought Dak pulled back.
You know, they paid Zeke early. I thought they should
have never let go of Amari Cooper. How good would
Dallas be if they had Ceedee Lamb and Amari Cooper?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hoot Judy and Cooper once they get this deal work out,
I'm down.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm not a Jerry Jo.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
The final story is speaking of wide receiver holdouts, t
Higgins had skipped all of mandatory mini camp but finally
signed his franchise tag and is expected to a.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Tend training camp in late July. So a win for
the Bungles.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's nice get with T Higgins on board for at
least one more season right now.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's why they created the franchise tag.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I don't love it. Well, you don't have to like
player mobility. I'm rooting for the players. You root for
the owners.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I root for stability and financial prudence. You root for
everybody gets the battle.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I want those guys to get paid.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
They put against the great getting and even quarterbacks who
are great being paid early. You are ice cream for
breakfast at everybody gets a scoop of chocolate chip ice
cream every morning. That is me, marshmallow flavoring and sprinkles,
and then they have to go to the dentist. You
know my kid j Meg with the news.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Don't you guys have a salary cap at home? I
guarantee your wife running the finances.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I bet you absolutely does not know.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It's a fact. Our three coming up
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