June 20, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin has some questions about the Lakers as they continue to search for their new head coach
He shares his list of teams and quarterbacks he believes can seriously contend for a Super Bowl in the upcoming NFL season
His thoughts on Caitlin Clark continuing to improve
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, Here we go on a Thursday, live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. We had Tom Brady yesterday on the show,
jamac And because we do realize that people, it was
in the third hour that people come in and out
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of our show, wander in and out of our show,
I'll play a chunk of that pretty sizable chunk of
that next hour stop next hour for the people that
didn't listen late in our third hour to Tom Brady
yesterday on the show. Got a lot of feedback on that.
He said a lot of interesting things, made a lot
of news yesterday. So we'll take about seventy percent of
it bring it back to some of the more newsworthy
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comments by Tom Brady, who, of course debuts in the
booth for Fox this year, J Mac. The Lakers, meanwhile,
still do not have a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Get worried, Colin. I saw some odds where Reddick is
being linked to the Pistons now, which would be humiliating something.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yes, JJ Reddick talked about as the next Pistons coach.
So let's be honest. Football in America is the coaching
sport where you can take a roster, tweak it a
little bit, go from bad to good. I mean, Jim
Harbaugh's done it multiple times, Urban Myers done it at college.
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Bill Parcells that it. In the NFL. You can tweak
an NFL roster, and coaches have more impact. First of all,
they have more power than other coaches. They have more
sayd play calling than other sports, and they you can
build football cultures. You're seeing Harbaugh do it in the
Chargers very very quickly. And so NBA coaching is a
lot of managing personalities and egos, and the Lakers just
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clearly do not value coaches. Strange considering the best modern
coaches Phil Jackson, but he did very well in Los Angeles.
But they just they don't value coaches. They view them
as very disposable. And let's be fair here, the last
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six champions are six different teams. Half the coaches of
those teams who are champions, they're coaching somewhere else. I mean,
Nick Nurse is coaching somewhere else. Mike Budenholzer won and
title got fired, He's coaching somewhere else. And so I
do think football coaches simply matter more than other coaches.
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If you look at three of the coaches we view
as really elite, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Eric Spolstra combined
last year won a single playoff game. A single playoff game,
Papovich got wemby no impact on the win loss record,
And Papavich is a good coach, great coach. And I
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think there's a couple of factors here. Number one, as
salaries continue to escalate in the NBA, with a new
TV deal at seven eight billion dollars a year, it's
going to be harder to coach in the NBA. Players
are going to have much more, say, much more power.
Donovan Mitchell wanted JV. Bickerstaff gone in Cleveland, and he
got him gone. He got him Jetisons. I mean, that's
just the way the league works. It's not a knock
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on Donovan Mitchell. It's happened. Happens every year, at least
once Lebron's done that a couple of times under the radar.
So and the Celtics. Let's be honest about the Celtics
champion I mean, didn't that feel mostly about not even players.
It felt like it was driven by general managers. Danny
Ainge got Tatum and Brown to the Celtics smart drafting,
and then Brad Stevens, who didn't have that much impact
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as a coach but great impact as a general manager,
went and got Derek White from a tanking team, Porzingis
from a tanking team, and Drew Holiday from a tanking team.
The Celtics don't feel like they're Joe Missoula's team. He'd
only had one year as a head coach before Boston.
It was at a Division two school, so they built
a good staff around him. But the Celtics championship felt
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like Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens driven. And that's not
a knock on coaches. I mean, they threw Joe Missoula
into that because of some actions by the previous coach,
and it was okay. We're fine. And the previous coach
was supposed to be a high rising of sending star
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coach and Missoula was kind of like, oh, could be
in trouble here, and Missoula won the title. So I
look at this, What head coach in basketball could take
this Lakers roster over and make a real difference a
football coaches difference. Well, Kerr Pop and Spolster can't even
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do that. I mean Steve Kerr's great, he's not available.
So the Lakers, clearly, people's actions tell you what they value.
The Lakers are going to hire their what seventh coach
in thirteen years, and this Jj Reddick thing, he's the lead,
he's out, he's in Dan Hurley. They just don't. They
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don't value coaches. Doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong. I think
they have some value, but they don't have an NFL
or a college football coaching value. You are managing to
a large degree, personalities, a rotation, and egos. So yesterday
Tom paula sorrow smart guy, was on Rich Eisen Show
and he was talking about something. You know, the NBA's
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got this thing where it's called like a super max,
So players can only make you know, there's a certain
level on it. And by the way, I've always felt
that salary caps to some degree are like sports socialism.
But you probably need it because you have big city,
small city. And if you look at baseball right now,
the Dodgers and the Yankees big economies, like they just
dwarf other rosters. They just have more good players. It's
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not even particularly close, and neither team has been at
full strength this year and they're great. And so Tom
Pelasaro was talking about like a potential owners are talking
about it now in the NFL, a potential quarterback cap.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
There certainly has been discussion within the league rich among
certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap
that at some point you want quarterback numbers to not
go over a certain percentage of your salary cap. To
my knowledge, that really hasn't gained traction, in part because
so many teams have paid their quarterbacks, and if you
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went to suddenly an NBA model where also you have
the max and the super max, there's really only a
couple levels that guys can get paid at. It kind
of changes the dynamics in terms of how you set
yourself up salary cap wise or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, I don't think it'll ever happen. I'm not sure
if i'd be four or against it. What I am
against is paying good quarterbacks great money, and it's always
struck me as odd. As much as America loves football
and obsesses over football, fantasy football, betting, football, watching football,
we are a football loving nation. It's our soccer in Europe.
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We love it. And you can put it on Thursday,
put it on Monday, put it on Sunday, put it
on Saturday. I mean, UFL just comes out. It's getting
like one point two one point three million people. It's
been a league for an hour and a half. But
it always cracks me up. If you go to the
last twelve quarterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, there's
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only two ways to do it. Have a Mahomes Stafford
Brady Peyton Manning next level superstar, like a really elite
all time guy, or have a talented guy on a
rookie contract Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco was in his last
year before he got paid. And then there was the outlier,
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the Nick Foles Carson Wentz Super Bowl. Both those guys
weren't getting paid yet. That's it that's it last twelve years.
So when I hear media fans, I get. But even
fans I think are so much smarter today than years
ago with football because they watch it, they care about it.
You know, these people that are winning fantasy football leagues.
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It's not easy, like it's competitive. Fans are smarter than ever.
You can. You can go ask people in the draft
kings business and those kind of businesses that the sports
better is smarter than he's ever been, and he's getting smarter.
Except when it comes to quarterbacks and saying pay two
of the bag and paid dack the bag, you were
immediately eliminated, immediately eliminated. If you look at our last
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twelve years from super Bowl conversations, based on the last
twelve super Bowls and the only two quarterbacks who have won,
which is an all time talent or a really talented
young quarterback not making any money. There are only twelve
quarterbacks that are in the Super Bowl bubble this year.
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And I'll give you those twelve quarterbacks the upper echelon
guys who are really all time elite arm talents, and
I think you know who they are. We can put
him on the screen. Josh Allen Burrow, Lamar Patrick, Aaron
and Matt Stafford. I'll keep Lamar on. Though he struggled
in the playoffs, he wins seventy seven percent of his games.
And I think Aaron Rodgers, though he's old, with that defense,
Aaron still when he lets go with that football, it
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doesn't look like almost anybody else on the planet. So
those teams are in the Super Bowl bubble. And then
the other six. These are six really good quarterbacks and
they're not they're not getting paid yet. I consider them
very talented and not getting paid. Justin Herbert Jalen Hurts,
Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Brock Purty and CJ. Stroud. I
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think Perty's the least talented, but he's talented enough and
he's not making a nickel and that's it. Now. Who's
not on that list Jared Goff, who I think is
really good but not in the top six and really
really expensive. And as much as I like Detroit, if
you look at the last twelve years, there's two groups.
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You gotta be you gotta be an all time. I mean,
Lamar Jackson is better in the pocket than anybody wants
to acknowledge, and he is the best moving quarterback I've
ever seen, and Aaron's older, but he still slings it
like almost nobody else can. So for that argument, for Jamak,
the Jets are in the Super Bowl bubble. They have
an All Timer. It helps if you're all Timer. Isn't
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the highest paid quarterback in the league. Brady took pay cuts,
so did Drew Brees. But that's kind of it. So
for all we know about football, and I think fans
know more than they've ever known. When I see people
saying you gotta pay to it, you gotta pay Dak. No,
you can do that. It will avoid chaos. But you're
out of the super conversation. And I don't think we'll
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ever have a quarterback cat, but it's an interesting conversation.
J Mack Little, Tom Brady, next hour, Mercedes Lewis for
years in this league, now a Chicago bear. I'm all
sorts of interested in that he'll be joining us in
our last hour as well.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Can I ask you how much it pained you to
leave Jared Goff off that list? I know he's well here.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
My job is to be honest. It paid me to
put Aaron on it, not really, but Jared Goff was
the one quarterback on a team and I like, Oh,
I like them, but Jared's really expensive and I do
not consider him. Now, I could be wrong. I have
been the biggest golf fan, but I don't consider him
in that group. I don't. And you could say, well,
isn't Tua's not getting paid big money yet Jalen Hurts
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can do some things that no other quarterbacks can do
with his feet. Tua does nothing to is literally weather affected.
None of those guys are weather affected.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's weird. You don't have this the MVP runner up
on this list either.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No back's really expensive, and if you're gonna be a
really expensive then you have to be great, not popular
among voters. A lot of people. A lot of people
popular among voters. We've seen players win awards, We've seen
guys made Pro Bowls, and we're like NBA tends to
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vote for the best story. I mean, Jokich did not
win MVPMB did. Jokich was easily the best basketball player
and the most valuable player in the world. Look how
many MVPs Michael Jordan one and Lebron won. They should
have double the number they won.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Then the only other guy was you know your your
favorite guy who throws the most beautiful downfield ball, Kyler Murray,
who's on a cheaper deal I believe than Hurtz and Herbert.
Kyler Murray, I don't know how you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Leave him on, probably the last guy off, and I
like him, I know you do.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So but if you look at Hurts and Trevor Lawrence,
Jordan love Brock pretty c J. Stroud. Now, Herbert now
is making about eighteen nineteen a year, so that is
not super cheap, but relative to his talent, that is
a bargain basement generic quarterback salary. The other guys are
sick nine there. Jordan love stuff hasn't kicked in yet.
C J. Stroud is you're basically paying him nothing. All
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six quarterbacks with cap hits under twenty million dollars, So
that the talented guys on cheaper deals, they all make
under twenty million dollars and they're all super super talented. Yeah,
I think I don't know what Kyler makes exactly, but
he would be one I took under strong consideration. Yeah,
and by the way, I love golf, but he makes
too much money and he's not in the top six.
So now, just for forget the quarterbacks for a second.
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Here are the teams that I consider right now in
the Super Bowl bubble. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Kansas City, Jets, Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Jags, Niners, Packers, Texans. Oh,
by the way, this Kyler Murray's a forty nine million
dollar cappit. That's why he's not here, right, So he's
not good enough in the top. He's too expensive for
the bottom. So that is his cappit. Yeah. So when
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I take out the quarterbacks and I just give you
the teams, nothing here bothers you because of the quarterback
I don't know. I mean Jaggs again, weaker division, they'll
probably be a playoff team. I understand the pushback, but
when you really distill it down to this, you're not.
If I'd have taken the quarterbacks out and given you
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the teams, it makes those feel like the team. Yeah,
except Detroit. Detroit. Yeah I might have Detroit. Yeah, so
would I as a TEAFC. But they don't follow the pattern,
and it's inarguable. Yeah, and I love where Detroit's going.
So they're the one I look at and I go, Okay,
maybe maybe Detroit will break through but the last twelve years,
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it's either a star, you know, or it's a really
talented guy. I mean, Nick Foles is the outlier. But
remember Carson Wentz, who was in the MVP running got them,
you know, he was for most of the season. Carson
Wentz got them where they could get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And Rock Party was so close. But he's on the
rookie deal, so would account.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
And he's the lowest paid franchise guy in the league
right now.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh you called Brock Party a franch Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The tide is it's almost like leasing a car. It's
your car, but you're just leasing it. He's a really
good lease. They got him for a couple of years. Okay,
we'll see all sorts of stuff. You know. I have
a topic today that's not a topic. I wish it was,
and I can't figure it out, and I wish maybe
you'll have the answer to it. Maybe you'll have the
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answer to it, because I was talking to the staff
this morning. I can't figure out how to make it
a topic and I don't have the answer. This stuff
drives me crazy. When I see something I think it's
something I don't have an answer. For it because I
you know, I do a lot of theories and that's
what's fun about sports, not just breaking down games. So
I should give you that coming back.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
No, no, don't, don't give me a heads up. I
just want to come in fresh, totally fresh.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, the audience can come in fresh and try to
solve it for me.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great
Rates None of the ball. So how about this. The
Indiana Fever have won five of seven. Caitlin Clark was
amazing last night. Eighteen points, twelve rebounds, six assist, four steals.
They have six wins. They're all and six against the
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two best teams in the league, the New York Liberty
Connecticut Sun. They're six and four against everybody else but
the WNBA, and we banged on them for this earlier.
Bizarrely front loaded her schedule. If they did not do that,
she'd have eight or nine wins. She's going to get
them into the playoffs. So they were the third worst
team in the league. Last year. They never at any
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point won five of seven. She's already won as many
games for this team by June twentieth as they did
all through July last year. And that's with a goofy
WNBA front loading the schedule, which makes absolutely no sense.
It never did. We tagged them for that when we
first saw it. You knew a year ago she was
going to Indiana. Give her some help. The NFL smartly
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figures out, Oh, let's make these let's make these new teams,
Caleb Williams, Jim Harbaugh Chargers. Let's lighten up the schedule early,
give them some momentum. No, that's not what the WNBA did.
So once again, it is about Caitlin Clark. This is
not knocking the other players. But you are seeing now
a four pronged Caitlin Clark effect. Massive TV ratings effect
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for her games and any game around her game. Secondly,
a massive business effect for the first time in twenty
seven years, they will fly chartered flights. You're seeing a
massive social media effect. It is getting talked about on
shows and social media to a level like six hundred
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percent growth, and a basketball effect. This is very much
Lebron first previous to Lebron in Cleveland, they are on like,
you know, seventeen eighteen games. Lebron comes in, they went
thirty five, and business is churning. So you are seeing
a four pronged Caitlyn Clark effect. They're not a championship team,
that's not what they are. But the basketball is working,
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the business is working, the marketing is working, the attention
is working, the chartered flights have arrived. Here's Katelyn after
the win.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I think everybody just loves instant satisfaction in our world.
Like no one came in here and said we were
going to be WNBA champions from day one and let
in our locker room like that was never our goal.
Our goal is to get back to the playoffs, and
we're fighting for that every single night. There just needs
to be solid perspective on what this team can accomplish,
and I think everybody in our locker room had that,
and nobody ever hung our heads. We had the hardest
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schedule to start, we didn't get to practice much, and
we're playing with the most inexperienced team in the WNBA.
So I mean, I think it's just this group is
you know, starting to click and build some chemistry.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, she always has the perfect answer to every question.
A five tool player. She's great with the media as
well well. So there's the bad actors out there that
want to make this into a Angel Reeves versus Caitlin Clark.
They're both fantastic. They both do well for their teams.
But you are seeing Caitlin Clark's effect from basketball to business,
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to social media, to ratings to merchandise. You know, when
the teams in LA have to move into a bigger
arena in a very distracted, busy sports market, that is
a massive effect. Good for her. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Let's go to the NFL. Justin Fields not getting rave
reviews this week, Colin, and it's getting worse. Former Steeler
Leveon Bell, remember him, the running back, Yeah, he's now
piling on. He looked online and saw this clip of
Justin Field throwing to someone named the route God. And
of course the throws were not totally crisp. They were
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a little late, and Leveon Bell now chimes in on
that ball getting there late. I know it's routes on air,
but this is telling you a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, this was he is not an anticipatory thrower.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That was one of the knocks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, the knock on Justin Fields. And I talked to
an executive about this. He didn't want to be quoted.
He said, is you almost You can't. You can't be
late in this league. He said, you can be late
at Ohio State Alabama, but he goes even in college,
you probably shouldn't be late. But at Ohio State, Georgia Bama.
You have such great talent at wide receiver, you can
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be a little late. You can't be late. You have
to anticipate throws. He just doesn't do it. And this
is against air and these guys turn and wait it listen.
I get my information from people in the league. When
I asked about quarterbacks, it didn't matter if it was TBO,
Justin Field, Zach Wilson. I lean on people. This is
what they do for a living. He is not an
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anticipatory thrower. It's not part of his bag. And it's
the difference between making it and not. I think by
the way, Zach Wilson, same knock, doesn't see the field,
doesn't anticipate stuff, same knock.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't remember the NFL draft analyst. But I think
someone said that Fields had slow eyes, and I hope
that's not like a harsh compliment or critique, but it's
basically like he's just slow to process everything and realize
like that's my I gotta get him the ball before
it is.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's fascinating. I've said this before. Patrick Mahomes, to me,
not just beyond his talent, processes things so quickly. Now
some of this is Andy Reid. Obviously a lot's Patrick Mahomes,
but Mahomes will see something and within and I mean
it is less than a half a second, the balls
out of his hands. Dan Marino was one of the
best I've ever seen at this. Dan would see and
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let go. A lot of people see they think they
wind up. It's always been the knock on Sam Darnold.
The processing was slow, the delivery was slow, and between
the two that's like three quarters to a second, and
that's an interception. So it's you can have flaws in
the NFL. Drew Brees didn't have a great arm. Jared
goff sits in the pocket, but you've got to be
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an anticipatory thrower, and a lot of that's just film study.
A lot of it may be like c J. Stroud.
I remember watching his second game and he made a
couple of throws where and it was just like wow,
that c J. Stroud would see something and the balls
out the receivers not necessarily open yet. But c J.
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Stroud is another guy. He sees it, it's not quite open,
he throws it open. That's anticipatory. And you can see
it very early with c J. Stroud. You saw it
very early with Joe Burrow, like that dude's not open
and the ball gets there and that dude's open, And
I just think it's one of those things. It is
hard to draft. A lot of it is you look
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at the college tape, You're like, you know, a lot
of these guys think players will grow into things like nobody,
even Andrew Luck came out was a perfect player. Some
guys grow into being more anticipatory. And Justin has struggled
to elevate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The Listening to Brady yesterday breaking down some of his
stuff when he gets to the line of scrimmage, all
the checks that he has to do just sounds like
read and react, and some guys are great at that.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right. The Stroud game was against Indy. That was the
game I saw the second week of the year. Second
game is a pro just you see stuff. Go ahead,
you were saying, I I'm just listening to Brady yesterday.
I don't know that that's something that you can develop.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I feel like it's kind of an innate talent like
Brady just had that. He was one of the best
at the line of scrimmage. Peyton Manning excellent at it.
It's tough. It's a tough skill to pick up, and
especially with fields a new offense.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Again, Yeah, I mean, team, can you teach Patrick Mahomes
anticipatory skills? Yeah, I don't know if you can. It's
just and I mean again, you just have it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Or you don't. There's nothing wrong with that. Somebodys don't
have it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
You if you sit and watch Mahomes from like a
defensive perspective, not line of scrimmage defense, and you watch
his eyes, I mean, he does doesn't even have to
lock into people. It's almost like he sees colors like
he sees schemes and colors. I mean, it's not like
he has to lock in. It's just like Patrick's the
ball is out and the players not necessarily open in
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many instances, and I think CJ. Striuld's gone.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't want to put him in this category. But
Brock Purdy, from what we've seen, maybe it's the Shanahan system.
He seems to be one of these quick, decisive guys.
He doesn't make a ton of mistakes. Mistakes Ravens game
obviously outside but some of these guys have it in
some don't. Good luck to fields. We like it obviously.
Next up, let's go to tight End University, which has
become a big part of the offseason. Stars like George Kittle,
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Travis Kelce, Fox's Greg Olsen are all taking part of it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
AJ Brown loves the idea, and he went on social
media to see if the league's top wide receivers wanted
to create their own wide receiver university. He tweeted, out
wide out, what's up the tight ends? Get together? The
DB's link up the pass rushers. Come on, guys, we
can't be too big. Time to link up and learn.
I'm a fan of everyone and willing to work with whoever.
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Let's make it happen.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Whiteouts, now you know whiteouts your independent contractors. Those guys
see themselves as sort of solo acts. Yeah, not great,
not real collaborators.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I do find it interesting. AJ Brown got paid and
now he's like, hey guys, let's link up. Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Tyreek Hill has jumped in saying let's go, which is
nice to see. I don't know your point about the
diva receivers is that's probably spot on, you know, Jeff
Schwartz Fox, he does an offensive line one. It's just
it's a tough sell for me the wide receivers to
just like step back, humble themselves a little work with
some of the best. I don't know, I don't see
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it happening.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Our final story is the Celtics coming off banner number eighteen,
cruising through the playoffs. The question is can they repeat?
Can they build a dynasty? Draymond Green believes NBA dynasties
may no longer be possible.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I do think this team is set up to compete
for multiple titles. When you talk about a potential dynasty,
I don't quite see that happening because I think we
got new rules and we got a second apron and
all of those things. Those things haven't kicked in yet,
and so when those deals start to kick in you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Start to hit that second apron.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
They just changed his things, and I think, quite frankly,
with those rules being in, I don't know if we'll
ever see another dynasty, but.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right now they have a chance quickly to build it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
I think people start calling us a dynasty when we
won three and so they got a chance to do
it quickly though quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, well, I said this yesterday. I think you agreed.
A lot of it is not Tatum or Brown. They
didn't win before they got the Derek White and Porzingis.
And I think the Derek White situation's interesting. He's all
second team NBA defense, forty percent three point shooter, led
the team in plus minus. The new apron can make
it very difficult to keep a Derek White. And Derek
(26:55):
White has always been a bit overlooked. He's like twenty
nine now, So I think, go get money. And I
wouldn't blame Derek White at all. If they maintain Derek
White and he's your third or fourth best player, then
you can. You can be a dynasty. You can.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
This is the tough part. Okay, you can't replace Tatum
and Brown. We got that here. Zingis is a bit
of a unicorn injuries aside. I don't think Drew Holliday's
easily replaceable. I think of all those guys, the easiest
to replace is Derek White. Yeah, I don't who's the
easiest to replace? Well, I mean none of them are
real easy. Like Horford, let's put aside because.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He's think there's I think because Porzingis misses so many games,
he's the easiest to replace. You also have Al Horford. Still,
you have size. You could find a big that can
play fifty games. Wouldn't be poor Zingis offensively, but could
rim protect if money was out of the equation. And
you said, well, Mitchell Robinson comes in. He's not the
offensive player, but he'd be the rim protect.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, no, no, he would kill five thout because he
can't shoot three.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's right. So poor Zingis, though, is easier because he
misses so many games. But in the NBA, we know
Tatum and Brown were dis appointing us, just those two.
But when you bring in Derek White, who plays every
night forty plus minus elite defender, and that's your third
or fourth best player, that's where you separate from good teams.
(28:15):
That's where you really separate.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So the Nuggets had Jokichen Murray as their core. They
add like an Aaron Gord. Gordon was huge, they stole
from the Lakers. He was he was very good.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
By the way he was White like they lost Bruce Brown,
who was there, Derek White, and they weren't the same offense,
not easy to play, No, so at Bruce Brown is
what And again we know that Jokichen, Murray, Tatum and Brown.
I mean, Brown's winning MVP of the finals at Eastern Conference.
But when you get I've said this before, what made
the Warriors dynasty so great is like you were like,
(28:47):
is is Klay Thompson the he was the best catch
and shoot guard in the league for about seven years.
He was their fourth best player. Andre Iguodala off the bench,
won an MVP in the finals. So it's it's the
there's a lot of stars everywhere, but when you can
have a fourth player, be an all NBA guy, Clay Thompson,
Derek White, that's just different. That's that's the separator in
(29:09):
this league because there's a ton of stars.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So you know White's up at the end of next year. YEA,
if I'm the Celtics, I take a swing in free
agency added Derek White, like a poor man's Derek White.
You find one, you take a swing in the draft,
you've got some chances. Now, I just think finding a
new porzingis like good luck. I mean that guy went
like what second or third overall?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I wouldn't be more apprehensive because of Porzingis's injury
is that's he's been hurt everywhere he's been.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But man, when he was on the court, I think
first two games they were like plus twenty five of them.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah. No, he's he's killed the mass. Yeah. Yeah, I
mean Boston is significantly better, in my opinion than everybody
in the league except in and.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Let's be clear to Draymond, you know, I know, you
guys are boys. The only reason the Warriors started to
a dynasty was because they added Kevin Durant, who at
the time was like one of the five best players
in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right, Well, they had a title in fifteen. Well they
won before him and after him, so true, But could
they have won another?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They won in fifteen, lost in sixteen to Lebron.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think they were a dynasty. I think Kevin made
them an all time team. They were a They won,
they won two without him.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, wait, but the second one was like twenty twenty two,
like way after the fact.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well, it's the very last dynasty a finite no, I mean,
I mean the Spurs dynasty lasted forever. I mean Nick
Wright was talking about this yesterday that we've only had
six dynasties in the history of the league. The Celtics,
the Russell Celtics, and then the Lakers with Magic, the
Celtics with Bird, Michael Jordan's teams, Shaq and Kobe's teams,
and then the Warriors. And those are the only dynasties.
(30:43):
You don't count the Heatles.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Wait, so we're not counting Spurs.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, he doesn't count the Spurs. I don't think he did.
No how many titles did well, they didn't win. They
weren't a back to back team a lot they would
win two years later, they would win, two years later,
they would win. I don't have it in front of me.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, isn't the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I mean, well, that's a different sport. Nobody ever won
three straight in the NFL. NBA has had several, you know,
I mean, Shaq and Kobe won three straight, Michael won
three straight twice. Celtics won three straight. That's different. Basketball
is different than football. Interest are so the only been
six dynasties. You could argue san Antonio would be seven.
I'd probably say san Antonio in my world, yeah, is
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a dynasty. But seven all time? That's it.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I think the Jordan Bulls are the best. I think
the Warriors and Kobe Shack tie per second. I think
those have an argument for the second event. But I
mean by saying that, then I put Kareem Worthy in magic.
You know. I mean, listen, there's there's.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They were great. No, come on, the Durant Warriors of
the great in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
No arguing, Come on, No, No, I think people are
They would beat Jordan and almost handily. No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I can't wait to see Bill Wennington.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
On the court against the Warriors. I mean, you do
I get a hand check? Do we get a hand check?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Get hand chick all you want, but.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Bull sweep, Oh get it.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I can get out of talent like the headcheckond.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'm going Bulls one. Warriors to Bulls. Much more physical
basketball team, much tougher basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, pivot all minutes against the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
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Speaker 1 (33:31):
All right with you, I'm gonna throw this at game,
so we know. Because there's one game a week. Football
fans travel, college football fans, bowl games, rivalry games. You'll
see twenty thousand people go to a Wisconsin plays UCLA
this year. If they did, you get twenty thousand Wisconsin
fans that either live in Los Angeles or travel in
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the winner to watch a game in warmer weather. You know,
Bowl games, you can get forty fifth sixty thousand fans, right,
we know, and even in the NFL San Francisco, the
forty nine ers travel, those fans travel remarkably well. Steelers
for years, their fans have traveled. Detroit Lions fans. You're
(34:15):
seeing this the last couple of years. They they take
over stadiums. But it's once a week. Okay. Baseball has
ten times as many games. You don't think of baseball
fans traveling right now. We do know that New Yorkers
historically have migrated west for better weather and opportunity. And
the Yankees hats are all over baseball. And we know
(34:37):
the Cubs for years their brand was lovable losers and
you'd see cub hats everywhere. It was kind of a
It was kind of a cool. All Yankee hats were
like a status symbol. Cub hats, you know, had their
own flavor. But generally, you know, you don't see a
lot of baseball fan bases take over other stadiums in
(34:59):
midweek games, except the Dodgers. I have been watching baseball
this year and I noticed it the other night at Colorado.
They had it felt like they had all the good seats,
And I'm thinking, this is a is a Tuesday game.
I know it's summer, but how are they getting all
the good seats?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Is it some app Is it people migrating out of California.
There's about nine hundred thousand people, I think last year
year and a half have left California, most of it
due to the price of housing, which is astronomical and
bizarrely high. So I don't have an answer for this,
and maybe I'm imagining something because I do watch more
(35:41):
Dodger games than any other fan base. Now, the Dodgers
have always done well with road attendance because they've been
really good, dominant, they've had star players. Oh Tawny obviously
is a part of that. Mookie Bats, Freddie Freeman, they have,
They have terrific players, Clayton Kershaw on his prime. I'm
not We know that the Dodgers draw well, just like
the Yankees always did when they had Jeter and a Rod.
(36:01):
But I'm talking about the number of Dodger fans. Looks
like Los Angeles fans in other stadiums. At Yankee Stadium,
if all like thirty percent of the crowd were Dodger fans,
what's going on? That's a thirty five hundred. Those aren't
cheap tickets, They're not cheap flights. I don't know. It
just has struck me. It really struck me watching the
(36:23):
Colorado series. You say, well, Colorado's not very good. I
know that, but they have season ticket holders. It just
baseball fans don't generally travel in ten and twelve thousand block.
Maybe it's the Otani factor. My guess is people are
leaving California and they're going to these Western states for opportunities,
(36:45):
more affordable housing, maybe more conservative politics. Whatever they're moving for.
But man, there are a lot of Dodger fans on
the road. It may be just as simple as it's
the Otani factor that could be it, but it just
it has jumped off the television set and I don't
have an answer for. So the Dodgers lead in both
home and road attendance. Again, they've always drawn well in
(37:08):
recent years because they've had stars, but this year it
may be just as simple as Otawi. I mean, you know,
he's just hitting, not pitching. But it's crazy. It is,
And I'm not talking like Dodger fans sprinkled in if
we if I had my editors go out there and
search some of these Colorado videos as like I thought
(37:32):
it was a home game. That's crazy. So brawny James
is gonna get drafted. I would imagine many suspect it
would be the Lakers, their second round pick, number fifty five.
It's a very weak draft, and uh, he's not a
star player, but executives now are talking about what kind
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of player he is, and what he is is a tweener.
But worse than that, he's a small tweener. So he's
only like six one and a half. That's how tall
I am. He's like Mike Conley size, but Mike Conley's
a better shooter, much better skill set in terms of
you know, he's a true point guard. Brownie's not a
(38:14):
pure point guard. And he's not an elite shooter. He
has used Derek White as how he sees himself. But
Derek White a great shooter, a great defender, not just
good great shooter, great defender, and six ' four. Brownie's
not six ' two. So one NBA executive said, he's
a good enough shooter, not great, a decent enough defender,
(38:34):
not a lockdown. He's a good athlete, not great. So
what is he hanging his hat on When you draft Brownie,
He's gonna give you what exactly, said another NBA executive.
Where he goes in the draft. I don't know. He's
not very big. I'm not sure what his reliable skill
will be. There's one thing that I've discovered, said this executive.
(38:56):
In the NBA, if you have a healthy body, your competitive,
and you have a high basketball IQ and even just
one elite skill, you can make it in this league.
The question is what is his elite skill? So he
is a small tweener. It's almost like a wide receiver
in the NFL. Routes, speed hands, you gotta be great
(39:17):
at one of them. If Jerry Judy can run really fast.
I don't love his hands or his routes, but but
but and Denver did neither. But he can really run.
And then there's some that don't run particularly well, but
they are great route runners. They'll become number two and
three receivers. But so there's where you are on Brownie.
I do I don't think Brownie is draftable in a
(39:37):
great draft. I think it'd be a hard gut to draft.
But but about every third draft, it feels like about
every third draft is a weak one. And he, you know,
his thing is he's good at stuff, he's not great
at anything. And he's small, so he's not a true
point guard. That's not what he is. And he's not
nearly big enough to be a two guard. So what
(40:00):
is he He's you know what it sounds like. It's
a two year G League player. And then if he
can grow into an elite shooter, we've seen that, but
Ray Allen did not walk into this league shooting like that.
You can develop as a shooter.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So I've told the story before, but I ran in
a cam Chancellor in Vegas once and we were talking
and his story is great because he came out of
Virginia Tech and nobody knew he's too big to be
a safety, he's too small to be a linebacker, Like,
what is he? We don't know what to do with him,
so nobody really drafted him. He falls to the Seahawks.
Takes a smart team to say we're not putting you
(40:35):
in a box. You can do a lot of different
things for US. Cam Chancellor ends up being an amazing
defensive player. Yeah, one of their stalwarts in the legion
of Boom. Somebody smart is going to look at Bronnie
and say, okay, this is his skill set, his size,
we can move him around, we can do this, and
they're going to find a spot for him. I think
this idea of he's a point guard, he's a two guard,
(40:56):
he's a small folk like that. I think that's kind
of like the old old way. The Brad Stevens is, Hey,
there's now guys who can handle the ball. There's wings
and there's bigs.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But if you, if you, if you look at what
the Celtics have, their top seven players all do one
thing exceptionally well. All of them do something. Now, Jalen
Brown Tatum do multiple things exceptionally well.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like Brown didn't come out as a good shooter. He
was not a good shooter, no, but he was. He
was a first round athlete stroke.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And he's bigger and stronger. Yeah. So it's like Brownie's
a little bit of a small tweener. If you're a
big tweener, you'll make it. Six eight tweener makes it. Yeah, six'
one tweener could struggle lit tougher
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All right, Here we go on a Thursday, live in
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I'll play a chunk of that pretty sizable chunk of
that next hour stop next hour for the people that
didn't listen late in our third hour to Tom Brady
yesterday on the show. Got a lot of feedback on that.
He said a lot of interesting things, made a lot
of news yesterday. So we'll take about seventy percent of
it bring it back to some of the more newsworthy
(01:08):
comments by Tom Brady, who, of course debuts in the
booth for Fox this year, J Mac. The Lakers, meanwhile,
still do not have a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Get worried, Colin. I saw some odds where Reddick is
being linked to the Pistons now, which would be humiliating something.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yes, JJ Reddick talked about as the next Pistons coach.
So let's be honest. Football in America is the coaching
sport where you can take a roster, tweak it a
little bit, go from bad to good. I mean, Jim
Harbaugh's done it multiple times, Urban Myers done it at college.
(01:44):
Bill Parcells that it. In the NFL. You can tweak
an NFL roster, and coaches have more impact. First of all,
they have more power than other coaches. They have more
sayd play calling than other sports, and they you can
build football cultures. You're seeing Harbaugh do it in the
Chargers very very quickly. And so NBA coaching is a
lot of managing personalities and egos, and the Lakers just
(02:09):
clearly do not value coaches. Strange considering the best modern
coaches Phil Jackson, but he did very well in Los Angeles.
But they just they don't value coaches. They view them
as very disposable. And let's be fair here, the last
(02:31):
six champions are six different teams. Half the coaches of
those teams who are champions, they're coaching somewhere else. I mean,
Nick Nurse is coaching somewhere else. Mike Budenholzer won and
title got fired, He's coaching somewhere else. And so I
do think football coaches simply matter more than other coaches.
(02:54):
If you look at three of the coaches we view
as really elite, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Eric Spolstra combined
last year won a single playoff game. A single playoff game,
Papovich got wemby no impact on the win loss record,
And Papavich is a good coach, great coach. And I
(03:16):
think there's a couple of factors here. Number one, as
salaries continue to escalate in the NBA, with a new
TV deal at seven eight billion dollars a year, it's
going to be harder to coach in the NBA. Players
are going to have much more, say, much more power.
Donovan Mitchell wanted JV. Bickerstaff gone in Cleveland, and he
got him gone. He got him Jetisons. I mean, that's
just the way the league works. It's not a knock
(03:37):
on Donovan Mitchell. It's happened. Happens every year, at least
once Lebron's done that a couple of times under the radar.
So and the Celtics. Let's be honest about the Celtics
champion I mean, didn't that feel mostly about not even players.
It felt like it was driven by general managers. Danny
Ainge got Tatum and Brown to the Celtics smart drafting,
and then Brad Stevens, who didn't have that much impact
(04:00):
as a coach but great impact as a general manager,
went and got Derek White from a tanking team, Porzingis
from a tanking team, and Drew Holiday from a tanking team.
The Celtics don't feel like they're Joe Missoula's team. He'd
only had one year as a head coach before Boston.
It was at a Division two school, so they built
a good staff around him. But the Celtics championship felt
(04:22):
like Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens driven. And that's not
a knock on coaches. I mean, they threw Joe Missoula
into that because of some actions by the previous coach,
and it was okay. We're fine. And the previous coach
was supposed to be a high rising of sending star
(04:42):
coach and Missoula was kind of like, oh, could be
in trouble here, and Missoula won the title. So I
look at this, What head coach in basketball could take
this Lakers roster over and make a real difference a
football coaches difference. Well, Kerr Pop and Spolster can't even
(05:03):
do that. I mean Steve Kerr's great, he's not available.
So the Lakers, clearly, people's actions tell you what they value.
The Lakers are going to hire their what seventh coach
in thirteen years, and this Jj Reddick thing, he's the lead,
he's out, he's in Dan Hurley. They just don't. They
(05:23):
don't value coaches. Doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong. I think
they have some value, but they don't have an NFL
or a college football coaching value. You are managing to
a large degree, personalities, a rotation, and egos. So yesterday
Tom paula sorrow smart guy, was on Rich Eisen Show
and he was talking about something. You know, the NBA's
(05:46):
got this thing where it's called like a super max,
So players can only make you know, there's a certain
level on it. And by the way, I've always felt
that salary caps to some degree are like sports socialism.
But you probably need it because you have big city,
small city. And if you look at baseball right now,
the Dodgers and the Yankees big economies, like they just
dwarf other rosters. They just have more good players. It's
(06:08):
not even particularly close, and neither team has been at
full strength this year and they're great. And so Tom
Pelasaro was talking about like a potential owners are talking
about it now in the NFL, a potential quarterback cap.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
There certainly has been discussion within the league rich among
certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap
that at some point you want quarterback numbers to not
go over a certain percentage of your salary cap. To
my knowledge, that really hasn't gained traction, in part because
so many teams have paid their quarterbacks, and if you
(06:46):
went to suddenly an NBA model where also you have
the max and the super max, there's really only a
couple levels that guys can get paid at. It kind
of changes the dynamics in terms of how you set
yourself up salary cap wise or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, I don't think it'll ever happen. I'm not sure
if i'd be four or against it. What I am
against is paying good quarterbacks great money, and it's always
struck me as odd. As much as America loves football
and obsesses over football, fantasy football, betting, football, watching football,
we are a football loving nation. It's our soccer in Europe.
(07:21):
We love it. And you can put it on Thursday,
put it on Monday, put it on Sunday, put it
on Saturday. I mean, UFL just comes out. It's getting
like one point two one point three million people. It's
been a league for an hour and a half. But
it always cracks me up. If you go to the
last twelve quarterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, there's
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only two ways to do it. Have a Mahomes Stafford
Brady Peyton Manning next level superstar, like a really elite
all time guy, or have a talented guy on a
rookie contract Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco was in his last
year before he got paid. And then there was the outlier,
(08:04):
the Nick Foles Carson Wentz Super Bowl. Both those guys
weren't getting paid yet. That's it that's it last twelve years.
So when I hear media fans, I get. But even
fans I think are so much smarter today than years
ago with football because they watch it, they care about it.
You know, these people that are winning fantasy football leagues.
(08:25):
It's not easy, like it's competitive. Fans are smarter than ever.
You can. You can go ask people in the draft
kings business and those kind of businesses that the sports
better is smarter than he's ever been, and he's getting smarter.
Except when it comes to quarterbacks and saying pay two
of the bag and paid dack the bag, you were
immediately eliminated, immediately eliminated. If you look at our last
(08:50):
twelve years from super Bowl conversations, based on the last
twelve super Bowls and the only two quarterbacks who have won,
which is an all time talent or a really talented
young quarterback not making any money. There are only twelve
quarterbacks that are in the Super Bowl bubble this year.
(09:12):
And I'll give you those twelve quarterbacks the upper echelon
guys who are really all time elite arm talents, and
I think you know who they are. We can put
him on the screen. Josh Allen Burrow, Lamar Patrick, Aaron
and Matt Stafford. I'll keep Lamar on. Though he struggled
in the playoffs, he wins seventy seven percent of his games.
And I think Aaron Rodgers, though he's old, with that defense,
Aaron still when he lets go with that football, it
(09:33):
doesn't look like almost anybody else on the planet. So
those teams are in the Super Bowl bubble. And then
the other six. These are six really good quarterbacks and
they're not they're not getting paid yet. I consider them
very talented and not getting paid. Justin Herbert Jalen Hurts,
Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Brock Purty and CJ. Stroud. I
(09:54):
think Perty's the least talented, but he's talented enough and
he's not making a nickel and that's it. Now. Who's
not on that list Jared Goff, who I think is
really good but not in the top six and really
really expensive. And as much as I like Detroit, if
you look at the last twelve years, there's two groups.
(10:17):
You gotta be you gotta be an all time. I mean,
Lamar Jackson is better in the pocket than anybody wants
to acknowledge, and he is the best moving quarterback I've
ever seen, and Aaron's older, but he still slings it
like almost nobody else can. So for that argument, for Jamak,
the Jets are in the Super Bowl bubble. They have
an All Timer. It helps if you're all Timer. Isn't
(10:39):
the highest paid quarterback in the league. Brady took pay cuts,
so did Drew Brees. But that's kind of it. So
for all we know about football, and I think fans
know more than they've ever known. When I see people
saying you gotta pay to it, you gotta pay Dak. No,
you can do that. It will avoid chaos. But you're
out of the super conversation. And I don't think we'll
(11:02):
ever have a quarterback cat, but it's an interesting conversation.
J Mack Little, Tom Brady, next hour, Mercedes Lewis for
years in this league, now a Chicago bear. I'm all
sorts of interested in that he'll be joining us in
our last hour as well.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Can I ask you how much it pained you to
leave Jared Goff off that list? I know he's well here.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
My job is to be honest. It paid me to
put Aaron on it, not really, but Jared Goff was
the one quarterback on a team and I like, Oh,
I like them, but Jared's really expensive and I do
not consider him. Now, I could be wrong. I have
been the biggest golf fan, but I don't consider him
in that group. I don't. And you could say, well,
isn't Tua's not getting paid big money yet Jalen Hurts
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can do some things that no other quarterbacks can do
with his feet. Tua does nothing to is literally weather affected.
None of those guys are weather affected.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's weird. You don't have this the MVP runner up
on this list either.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No back's really expensive, and if you're gonna be a
really expensive then you have to be great, not popular
among voters. A lot of people. A lot of people
popular among voters. We've seen players win awards, We've seen
guys made Pro Bowls, and we're like NBA tends to
(12:14):
vote for the best story. I mean, Jokich did not
win MVPMB did. Jokich was easily the best basketball player
and the most valuable player in the world. Look how
many MVPs Michael Jordan one and Lebron won. They should
have double the number they won.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Then the only other guy was you know your your
favorite guy who throws the most beautiful downfield ball, Kyler Murray,
who's on a cheaper deal I believe than Hurtz and Herbert.
Kyler Murray, I don't know how you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Leave him on, probably the last guy off, and I
like him, I know you do.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So but if you look at Hurts and Trevor Lawrence,
Jordan love Brock pretty c J. Stroud. Now, Herbert now
is making about eighteen nineteen a year, so that is
not super cheap, but relative to his talent, that is
a bargain basement generic quarterback salary. The other guys are
sick nine there. Jordan love stuff hasn't kicked in yet.
C J. Stroud is you're basically paying him nothing. All
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six quarterbacks with cap hits under twenty million dollars, So
that the talented guys on cheaper deals, they all make
under twenty million dollars and they're all super super talented. Yeah,
I think I don't know what Kyler makes exactly, but
he would be one I took under strong consideration. Yeah,
and by the way, I love golf, but he makes
too much money and he's not in the top six.
So now, just for forget the quarterbacks for a second.
(13:28):
Here are the teams that I consider right now in
the Super Bowl bubble. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Kansas City, Jets, Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Jags, Niners, Packers, Texans. Oh,
by the way, this Kyler Murray's a forty nine million
dollar cappit. That's why he's not here, right, So he's
not good enough in the top. He's too expensive for
the bottom. So that is his cappit. Yeah. So when
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I take out the quarterbacks and I just give you
the teams, nothing here bothers you because of the quarterback
I don't know. I mean Jaggs again, weaker division, they'll
probably be a playoff team. I understand the pushback, but
when you really distill it down to this, you're not.
If I'd have taken the quarterbacks out and given you
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the teams, it makes those feel like the team. Yeah,
except Detroit. Detroit. Yeah I might have Detroit. Yeah, so
would I as a TEAFC. But they don't follow the pattern,
and it's inarguable. Yeah, and I love where Detroit's going.
So they're the one I look at and I go, Okay,
maybe maybe Detroit will break through but the last twelve years,
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it's either a star, you know, or it's a really
talented guy. I mean, Nick Foles is the outlier. But
remember Carson Wentz, who was in the MVP running got them,
you know, he was for most of the season. Carson
Wentz got them where they could get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And Rock Party was so close. But he's on the
rookie deal, so would account.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
And he's the lowest paid franchise guy in the league
right now.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh you called Brock Party a franch Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The tide is it's almost like leasing a car. It's
your car, but you're just leasing it. He's a really
good lease. They got him for a couple of years. Okay,
we'll see all sorts of stuff. You know. I have
a topic today that's not a topic. I wish it was,
and I can't figure it out, and I wish maybe
you'll have the answer to it. Maybe you'll have the
(15:25):
answer to it, because I was talking to the staff
this morning. I can't figure out how to make it
a topic and I don't have the answer. This stuff
drives me crazy. When I see something I think it's
something I don't have an answer. For it because I
you know, I do a lot of theories and that's
what's fun about sports, not just breaking down games. So
I should give you that coming back.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
No, no, don't, don't give me a heads up. I
just want to come in fresh, totally fresh.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, the audience can come in fresh and try to
solve it for me.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great
Rates None of the ball. So how about this. The
Indiana Fever have won five of seven. Caitlin Clark was
amazing last night. Eighteen points, twelve rebounds, six assist, four steals.
They have six wins. They're all and six against the
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two best teams in the league, the New York Liberty
Connecticut Sun. They're six and four against everybody else but
the WNBA, and we banged on them for this earlier.
Bizarrely front loaded her schedule. If they did not do that,
she'd have eight or nine wins. She's going to get
them into the playoffs. So they were the third worst
team in the league. Last year. They never at any
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point won five of seven. She's already won as many
games for this team by June twentieth as they did
all through July last year. And that's with a goofy
WNBA front loading the schedule, which makes absolutely no sense.
It never did. We tagged them for that when we
first saw it. You knew a year ago she was
going to Indiana. Give her some help. The NFL smartly
(17:04):
figures out, Oh, let's make these let's make these new teams,
Caleb Williams, Jim Harbaugh Chargers. Let's lighten up the schedule early,
give them some momentum. No, that's not what the WNBA did.
So once again, it is about Caitlin Clark. This is
not knocking the other players. But you are seeing now
a four pronged Caitlin Clark effect. Massive TV ratings effect
(17:29):
for her games and any game around her game. Secondly,
a massive business effect for the first time in twenty
seven years, they will fly chartered flights. You're seeing a
massive social media effect. It is getting talked about on
shows and social media to a level like six hundred
(17:49):
percent growth, and a basketball effect. This is very much
Lebron first previous to Lebron in Cleveland, they are on like,
you know, seventeen eighteen games. Lebron comes in, they went
thirty five, and business is churning. So you are seeing
a four pronged Caitlyn Clark effect. They're not a championship team,
that's not what they are. But the basketball is working,
(18:12):
the business is working, the marketing is working, the attention
is working, the chartered flights have arrived. Here's Katelyn after
the win.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I think everybody just loves instant satisfaction in our world.
Like no one came in here and said we were
going to be WNBA champions from day one and let
in our locker room like that was never our goal.
Our goal is to get back to the playoffs, and
we're fighting for that every single night. There just needs
to be solid perspective on what this team can accomplish,
and I think everybody in our locker room had that,
and nobody ever hung our heads. We had the hardest
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schedule to start, we didn't get to practice much, and
we're playing with the most inexperienced team in the WNBA.
So I mean, I think it's just this group is
you know, starting to click and build some chemistry.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, she always has the perfect answer to every question.
A five tool player. She's great with the media as
well well. So there's the bad actors out there that
want to make this into a Angel Reeves versus Caitlin Clark.
They're both fantastic. They both do well for their teams.
But you are seeing Caitlin Clark's effect from basketball to business,
(19:14):
to social media, to ratings to merchandise. You know, when
the teams in LA have to move into a bigger
arena in a very distracted, busy sports market, that is
a massive effect. Good for her. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Let's go to the NFL. Justin Fields not getting rave
reviews this week, Colin, and it's getting worse. Former Steeler
Leveon Bell, remember him, the running back, Yeah, he's now
piling on. He looked online and saw this clip of
Justin Field throwing to someone named the route God. And
of course the throws were not totally crisp. They were
(19:56):
a little late, and Leveon Bell now chimes in on
that ball getting there late. I know it's routes on air,
but this is telling you a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, this was he is not an anticipatory thrower.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That was one of the knocks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, the knock on Justin Fields. And I talked to
an executive about this. He didn't want to be quoted.
He said, is you almost You can't. You can't be
late in this league. He said, you can be late
at Ohio State Alabama, but he goes even in college,
you probably shouldn't be late. But at Ohio State, Georgia Bama.
You have such great talent at wide receiver, you can
(20:30):
be a little late. You can't be late. You have
to anticipate throws. He just doesn't do it. And this
is against air and these guys turn and wait it listen.
I get my information from people in the league. When
I asked about quarterbacks, it didn't matter if it was TBO,
Justin Field, Zach Wilson. I lean on people. This is
what they do for a living. He is not an
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anticipatory thrower. It's not part of his bag. And it's
the difference between making it and not. I think by
the way, Zach Wilson, same knock, doesn't see the field,
doesn't anticipate stuff, same knock.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't remember the NFL draft analyst. But I think
someone said that Fields had slow eyes, and I hope
that's not like a harsh compliment or critique, but it's
basically like he's just slow to process everything and realize
like that's my I gotta get him the ball before
it is.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's fascinating. I've said this before. Patrick Mahomes, to me,
not just beyond his talent, processes things so quickly. Now
some of this is Andy Reid. Obviously a lot's Patrick Mahomes,
but Mahomes will see something and within and I mean
it is less than a half a second, the balls
out of his hands. Dan Marino was one of the
best I've ever seen at this. Dan would see and
(21:38):
let go. A lot of people see they think they
wind up. It's always been the knock on Sam Darnold.
The processing was slow, the delivery was slow, and between
the two that's like three quarters to a second, and
that's an interception. So it's you can have flaws in
the NFL. Drew Brees didn't have a great arm. Jared
goff sits in the pocket, but you've got to be
(21:58):
an anticipatory thrower, and a lot of that's just film study.
A lot of it may be like c J. Stroud.
I remember watching his second game and he made a
couple of throws where and it was just like wow,
that c J. Stroud would see something and the balls
out the receivers not necessarily open yet. But c J.
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Stroud is another guy. He sees it, it's not quite open,
he throws it open. That's anticipatory. And you can see
it very early with c J. Stroud. You saw it
very early with Joe Burrow, like that dude's not open
and the ball gets there and that dude's open, And
I just think it's one of those things. It is
hard to draft. A lot of it is you look
(22:43):
at the college tape, You're like, you know, a lot
of these guys think players will grow into things like nobody,
even Andrew Luck came out was a perfect player. Some
guys grow into being more anticipatory. And Justin has struggled
to elevate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The Listening to Brady yesterday breaking down some of his
stuff when he gets to the line of scrimmage, all
the checks that he has to do just sounds like
read and react, and some guys are great at that.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right. The Stroud game was against Indy. That was the
game I saw the second week of the year. Second
game is a pro just you see stuff. Go ahead,
you were saying, I I'm just listening to Brady yesterday.
I don't know that that's something that you can develop.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I feel like it's kind of an innate talent like
Brady just had that. He was one of the best
at the line of scrimmage. Peyton Manning excellent at it.
It's tough. It's a tough skill to pick up, and
especially with fields a new offense.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Again, Yeah, I mean, team, can you teach Patrick Mahomes
anticipatory skills? Yeah, I don't know if you can. It's
just and I mean again, you just have it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Or you don't. There's nothing wrong with that. Somebodys don't
have it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
You if you sit and watch Mahomes from like a
defensive perspective, not line of scrimmage defense, and you watch
his eyes, I mean, he does doesn't even have to
lock into people. It's almost like he sees colors like
he sees schemes and colors. I mean, it's not like
he has to lock in. It's just like Patrick's the
ball is out and the players not necessarily open in
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many instances, and I think CJ. Striuld's gone.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't want to put him in this category. But
Brock Purdy, from what we've seen, maybe it's the Shanahan system.
He seems to be one of these quick, decisive guys.
He doesn't make a ton of mistakes. Mistakes Ravens game
obviously outside but some of these guys have it in
some don't. Good luck to fields. We like it obviously.
Next up, let's go to tight End University, which has
become a big part of the offseason. Stars like George Kittle,
(24:38):
Travis Kelce, Fox's Greg Olsen are all taking part of it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
AJ Brown loves the idea, and he went on social
media to see if the league's top wide receivers wanted
to create their own wide receiver university. He tweeted, out
wide out, what's up the tight ends? Get together? The
DB's link up the pass rushers. Come on, guys, we
can't be too big. Time to link up and learn.
I'm a fan of everyone and willing to work with whoever.
(25:03):
Let's make it happen.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Whiteouts, now you know whiteouts your independent contractors. Those guys
see themselves as sort of solo acts. Yeah, not great,
not real collaborators.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I do find it interesting. AJ Brown got paid and
now he's like, hey guys, let's link up. Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Tyreek Hill has jumped in saying let's go, which is
nice to see. I don't know your point about the
diva receivers is that's probably spot on, you know, Jeff
Schwartz Fox, he does an offensive line one. It's just
it's a tough sell for me the wide receivers to
just like step back, humble themselves a little work with
some of the best. I don't know, I don't see
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it happening.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Our final story is the Celtics coming off banner number eighteen,
cruising through the playoffs. The question is can they repeat?
Can they build a dynasty? Draymond Green believes NBA dynasties
may no longer be possible.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I do think this team is set up to compete
for multiple titles. When you talk about a potential dynasty,
I don't quite see that happening because I think we
got new rules and we got a second apron and
all of those things. Those things haven't kicked in yet,
and so when those deals start to kick in you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Start to hit that second apron.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
They just changed his things, and I think, quite frankly,
with those rules being in, I don't know if we'll
ever see another dynasty, but.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right now they have a chance quickly to build it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
I think people start calling us a dynasty when we
won three and so they got a chance to do
it quickly though quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, well, I said this yesterday. I think you agreed.
A lot of it is not Tatum or Brown. They
didn't win before they got the Derek White and Porzingis.
And I think the Derek White situation's interesting. He's all
second team NBA defense, forty percent three point shooter, led
the team in plus minus. The new apron can make
it very difficult to keep a Derek White. And Derek
(26:55):
White has always been a bit overlooked. He's like twenty
nine now, So I think, go get money. And I
wouldn't blame Derek White at all. If they maintain Derek
White and he's your third or fourth best player, then
you can. You can be a dynasty. You can.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
This is the tough part. Okay, you can't replace Tatum
and Brown. We got that here. Zingis is a bit
of a unicorn injuries aside. I don't think Drew Holliday's
easily replaceable. I think of all those guys, the easiest
to replace is Derek White. Yeah, I don't who's the
easiest to replace? Well, I mean none of them are
real easy. Like Horford, let's put aside because.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He's think there's I think because Porzingis misses so many games,
he's the easiest to replace. You also have Al Horford. Still,
you have size. You could find a big that can
play fifty games. Wouldn't be poor Zingis offensively, but could
rim protect if money was out of the equation. And
you said, well, Mitchell Robinson comes in. He's not the
offensive player, but he'd be the rim protect.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, no, no, he would kill five thout because he
can't shoot three.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's right. So poor Zingis, though, is easier because he
misses so many games. But in the NBA, we know
Tatum and Brown were dis appointing us, just those two.
But when you bring in Derek White, who plays every
night forty plus minus elite defender, and that's your third
or fourth best player, that's where you separate from good teams.
(28:15):
That's where you really separate.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So the Nuggets had Jokichen Murray as their core. They
add like an Aaron Gord. Gordon was huge, they stole
from the Lakers. He was he was very good.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
By the way he was White like they lost Bruce Brown,
who was there, Derek White, and they weren't the same offense,
not easy to play, No, so at Bruce Brown is
what And again we know that Jokichen, Murray, Tatum and Brown.
I mean, Brown's winning MVP of the finals at Eastern Conference.
But when you get I've said this before, what made
the Warriors dynasty so great is like you were like,
(28:47):
is is Klay Thompson the he was the best catch
and shoot guard in the league for about seven years.
He was their fourth best player. Andre Iguodala off the bench,
won an MVP in the finals. So it's it's the
there's a lot of stars everywhere, but when you can
have a fourth player, be an all NBA guy, Clay Thompson,
Derek White, that's just different. That's that's the separator in
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this league because there's a ton of stars.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So you know White's up at the end of next year. YEA,
if I'm the Celtics, I take a swing in free
agency added Derek White, like a poor man's Derek White.
You find one, you take a swing in the draft,
you've got some chances. Now, I just think finding a
new porzingis like good luck. I mean that guy went
like what second or third overall?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I wouldn't be more apprehensive because of Porzingis's injury
is that's he's been hurt everywhere he's been.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But man, when he was on the court, I think
first two games they were like plus twenty five of them.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah. No, he's he's killed the mass. Yeah. Yeah, I
mean Boston is significantly better, in my opinion than everybody
in the league except in and.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Let's be clear to Draymond, you know, I know, you
guys are boys. The only reason the Warriors started to
a dynasty was because they added Kevin Durant, who at
the time was like one of the five best players
in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right, Well, they had a title in fifteen. Well they
won before him and after him, so true, But could
they have won another?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They won in fifteen, lost in sixteen to Lebron.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think they were a dynasty. I think Kevin made
them an all time team. They were a They won,
they won two without him.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, wait, but the second one was like twenty twenty two,
like way after the fact.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well, it's the very last dynasty a finite no, I mean,
I mean the Spurs dynasty lasted forever. I mean Nick
Wright was talking about this yesterday that we've only had
six dynasties in the history of the league. The Celtics,
the Russell Celtics, and then the Lakers with Magic, the
Celtics with Bird, Michael Jordan's teams, Shaq and Kobe's teams,
and then the Warriors. And those are the only dynasties.
(30:43):
You don't count the Heatles.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Wait, so we're not counting Spurs.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, he doesn't count the Spurs. I don't think he did.
No how many titles did well, they didn't win. They
weren't a back to back team a lot they would
win two years later, they would win, two years later,
they would win. I don't have it in front of me.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, isn't the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I mean, well, that's a different sport. Nobody ever won
three straight in the NFL. NBA has had several, you know,
I mean, Shaq and Kobe won three straight, Michael won
three straight twice. Celtics won three straight. That's different. Basketball
is different than football. Interest are so the only been
six dynasties. You could argue san Antonio would be seven.
I'd probably say san Antonio in my world, yeah, is
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a dynasty. But seven all time? That's it.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I think the Jordan Bulls are the best. I think
the Warriors and Kobe Shack tie per second. I think
those have an argument for the second event. But I
mean by saying that, then I put Kareem Worthy in magic.
You know. I mean, listen, there's there's.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They were great. No, come on, the Durant Warriors of
the great in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
No arguing, Come on, No, No, I think people are
They would beat Jordan and almost handily. No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I can't wait to see Bill Wennington.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
On the court against the Warriors. I mean, you do
I get a hand check? Do we get a hand check?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Get hand chick all you want, but.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Bull sweep, Oh get it.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I can get out of talent like the headcheckond.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'm going Bulls one. Warriors to Bulls. Much more physical
basketball team, much tougher basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, pivot all minutes against the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news and thanks
for stopping by her.
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Inside the Parker for twenty two minutes of piping hot
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Speaker 3 (33:16):
HET's in the Championship of the Americas right here at home,
as Bolisic, McKinney and the USA seek their first ever
Copa America title. It all kicks off with the USA
taking on Bolivia Sunday at six pm Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
All right with you, I'm gonna throw this at game,
so we know. Because there's one game a week. Football
fans travel, college football fans, bowl games, rivalry games. You'll
see twenty thousand people go to a Wisconsin plays UCLA
this year. If they did, you get twenty thousand Wisconsin
fans that either live in Los Angeles or travel in
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the winner to watch a game in warmer weather. You know,
Bowl games, you can get forty fifth sixty thousand fans, right,
we know, and even in the NFL San Francisco, the
forty nine ers travel, those fans travel remarkably well. Steelers
for years, their fans have traveled. Detroit Lions fans. You're
(34:15):
seeing this the last couple of years. They they take
over stadiums. But it's once a week. Okay. Baseball has
ten times as many games. You don't think of baseball
fans traveling right now. We do know that New Yorkers
historically have migrated west for better weather and opportunity. And
the Yankees hats are all over baseball. And we know
(34:37):
the Cubs for years their brand was lovable losers and
you'd see cub hats everywhere. It was kind of a
It was kind of a cool. All Yankee hats were
like a status symbol. Cub hats, you know, had their
own flavor. But generally, you know, you don't see a
lot of baseball fan bases take over other stadiums in
(34:59):
midweek games, except the Dodgers. I have been watching baseball
this year and I noticed it the other night at Colorado.
They had it felt like they had all the good seats,
And I'm thinking, this is a is a Tuesday game.
I know it's summer, but how are they getting all
the good seats?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Is it some app Is it people migrating out of California.
There's about nine hundred thousand people, I think last year
year and a half have left California, most of it
due to the price of housing, which is astronomical and
bizarrely high. So I don't have an answer for this,
and maybe I'm imagining something because I do watch more
(35:41):
Dodger games than any other fan base. Now, the Dodgers
have always done well with road attendance because they've been
really good, dominant, they've had star players. Oh Tawny obviously
is a part of that. Mookie Bats, Freddie Freeman, they have,
They have terrific players, Clayton Kershaw on his prime. I'm
not We know that the Dodgers draw well, just like
the Yankees always did when they had Jeter and a Rod.
(36:01):
But I'm talking about the number of Dodger fans. Looks
like Los Angeles fans in other stadiums. At Yankee Stadium,
if all like thirty percent of the crowd were Dodger fans,
what's going on? That's a thirty five hundred. Those aren't
cheap tickets, They're not cheap flights. I don't know. It
just has struck me. It really struck me watching the
(36:23):
Colorado series. You say, well, Colorado's not very good. I
know that, but they have season ticket holders. It just
baseball fans don't generally travel in ten and twelve thousand block.
Maybe it's the Otani factor. My guess is people are
leaving California and they're going to these Western states for opportunities,
(36:45):
more affordable housing, maybe more conservative politics. Whatever they're moving for.
But man, there are a lot of Dodger fans on
the road. It may be just as simple as it's
the Otani factor that could be it, but it just
it has jumped off the television set and I don't
have an answer for. So the Dodgers lead in both
home and road attendance. Again, they've always drawn well in
(37:08):
recent years because they've had stars, but this year it
may be just as simple as Otawi. I mean, you know,
he's just hitting, not pitching. But it's crazy. It is,
And I'm not talking like Dodger fans sprinkled in if
we if I had my editors go out there and
search some of these Colorado videos as like I thought
(37:32):
it was a home game. That's crazy. So brawny James
is gonna get drafted. I would imagine many suspect it
would be the Lakers, their second round pick, number fifty five.
It's a very weak draft, and uh, he's not a
star player, but executives now are talking about what kind
(37:53):
of player he is, and what he is is a tweener.
But worse than that, he's a small tweener. So he's
only like six one and a half. That's how tall
I am. He's like Mike Conley size, but Mike Conley's
a better shooter, much better skill set in terms of
you know, he's a true point guard. Brownie's not a
(38:14):
pure point guard. And he's not an elite shooter. He
has used Derek White as how he sees himself. But
Derek White a great shooter, a great defender, not just
good great shooter, great defender, and six ' four. Brownie's
not six ' two. So one NBA executive said, he's
a good enough shooter, not great, a decent enough defender,
(38:34):
not a lockdown. He's a good athlete, not great. So
what is he hanging his hat on When you draft Brownie,
He's gonna give you what exactly, said another NBA executive.
Where he goes in the draft. I don't know. He's
not very big. I'm not sure what his reliable skill
will be. There's one thing that I've discovered, said this executive.
(38:56):
In the NBA, if you have a healthy body, your competitive,
and you have a high basketball IQ and even just
one elite skill, you can make it in this league.
The question is what is his elite skill? So he
is a small tweener. It's almost like a wide receiver
in the NFL. Routes, speed hands, you gotta be great
(39:17):
at one of them. If Jerry Judy can run really fast.
I don't love his hands or his routes, but but
but and Denver did neither. But he can really run.
And then there's some that don't run particularly well, but
they are great route runners. They'll become number two and
three receivers. But so there's where you are on Brownie.
I do I don't think Brownie is draftable in a
(39:37):
great draft. I think it'd be a hard gut to draft.
But but about every third draft, it feels like about
every third draft is a weak one. And he, you know,
his thing is he's good at stuff, he's not great
at anything. And he's small, so he's not a true
point guard. That's not what he is. And he's not
nearly big enough to be a two guard. So what
(40:00):
is he He's you know what it sounds like. It's
a two year G League player. And then if he
can grow into an elite shooter, we've seen that, but
Ray Allen did not walk into this league shooting like that.
You can develop as a shooter.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So I've told the story before, but I ran in
a cam Chancellor in Vegas once and we were talking
and his story is great because he came out of
Virginia Tech and nobody knew he's too big to be
a safety, he's too small to be a linebacker, Like,
what is he? We don't know what to do with him,
so nobody really drafted him. He falls to the Seahawks.
Takes a smart team to say we're not putting you
(40:35):
in a box. You can do a lot of different
things for US. Cam Chancellor ends up being an amazing
defensive player. Yeah, one of their stalwarts in the legion
of Boom. Somebody smart is going to look at Bronnie
and say, okay, this is his skill set, his size,
we can move him around, we can do this, and
they're going to find a spot for him. I think
this idea of he's a point guard, he's a two guard,
(40:56):
he's a small folk like that. I think that's kind
of like the old old way. The Brad Stevens is, Hey,
there's now guys who can handle the ball. There's wings
and there's bigs.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But if you, if you, if you look at what
the Celtics have, their top seven players all do one
thing exceptionally well. All of them do something. Now, Jalen
Brown Tatum do multiple things exceptionally well.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like Brown didn't come out as a good shooter. He
was not a good shooter, no, but he was. He
was a first round athlete stroke.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And he's bigger and stronger. Yeah. So it's like Brownie's
a little bit of a small tweener. If you're a
big tweener, you'll make it. Six eight tweener makes it. Yeah, six'
one tweener could struggle lit tougher
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