June 21, 2024 • 38 mins
Colin reacts to the Lakers hiring JJ Redick to be their new head coach despite having no coaching experience in neither college nor the NBA. He floats a potential trade involving one of LA's superstars to dramatically change the roster under Redick. Plus, 3-time Super Bowl Champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to talk about Tom Brady getting inducted into the Patriots hall of fame
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh do we have a show in store for you today,
live in Los Angeles on a Friday. It's the Hurt
wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Really like where
we're going today. There's a lot of stuff going on.
J Mac JJ Reddick. Five minutes after our show ended,
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got tabbed as the as Lakers head coach, and it
was We had kind of predicted it Wednesday. We thought
it Land. That's what we'd heard. There's a lot of
different angles on this If that's the tree, there's a
lot of branches on this store. Oo okay, I'll take
it all right. Let's start with this, JJ Reddick. Here
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are two very common traits. Two in highly successful people,
high IQ, highly competitive, not a lot of failures. Smart
people who are very driven in competitive succeed. Coach k
at Duke has had a lot of smart people and
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a lot of competitive people come through that program for
all those years, and at seventy seven years old today
he acknowledges JJ was as smart as any player he's
ever had and as competitive as any playeries had. Now,
the only thing that gets in the way of really
smart competitive people, men or women. The only trait that
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can get in the way of that is stubborn. And
you see that just puncture really smart competitive people. I
don't know JJ well enough to know is he stubborn?
But in the NBA you have to be adaptable. It's
a long, long season. There's injuries, there's egos. You got
to be able to pivot, keep players happy. But I'll
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be honest about this, He'll be a quick learner. I
don't really worry about JJ Reddick. I worry about the
Lakers impatience and competency. Just think about this. The two
best teams in the league, in my opinion, they're favored
next year, the Celtics and Denver. Denver landed the joker,
the best player in the world, surrounded him with good players,
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and it still took an excellent coach Mike Malone, what
was it seven years to win a title with the
best player in his prime? Didn't have to trade for
him and give up draft capitol. They got him in
the second round, took him seven years with a Joker,
best player in the world prime. The Celtics landed two
excellent players, maybe not as good as Joker, but Jalen
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Brown Jason Tatum, excellent players did excellent coach Brad Stevens,
who've done an excellent GM. Brad Stevens took them seven
eight years. They had to add pieces. So whether you
land the best player in the world or two other
elite players, we've had six champions in six years. The
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talent is all spread out. Gone or the Shaq Kobe years,
the Magic Kareem Worthy years, It's not like that anymore.
Hard to get a third star now. The good news
for the Lakers they have three nice pieces. Anthony Davis
is a top twelve player. Defensively, he's a gem. Lebron's
still very very very good and a playmaker. He makes
people around him better. And Austin Reeves is a solid playmaker.
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If I had to move in my Wood, but he's
a solid playmaker. They could also trade D'Angelo Russell if
he opts in or if he opts out. They got
eighteen million bucks to play with, So there are far
worse situations in the NBA to inherit that what JJ
Reddick is. But there's a lot of things to consider here.
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They don't have any shooters. JJ's a shooter. He wants
a roster of shooters. That's his game. The other thing,
like the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys, Lakers are a
big brand in a big city and the expectations are
always a little unrealistic. And here's the other thing. Anthony
Davis played seventy six games. Lebron played seventy one. They're
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not going to play that many games next year. That's
the healthiest Ad and Lebron have been in years. And
that got him a playing game and getting almost swept
by Denver. They played Denver well, But that's what Ad
playing every night got you. That's what Lebron playing virtually
every night got you. I'd bet before a one K
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that AD's not playing seventy six games as a Laker
next year. Okay, So that's stuff to think about. So
the Lakers. To me, I need a lot of patience here.
This is not a championship roster. I'm going to propose
a massive deal after the break. Something to consider, But
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I don't worry about JJ Reddick. Mike Krzyzewski's like, that's
the smartest player's ever had, and he had like Quinn
Snyder and our guys and a lot of smart guys.
Trajan Langdon was a smart guy, made Shane Battier. It's
like Duke, It's like the smartest guys in the world, right,
like some of the smartest basketball players ever, you know,
dookies and Coach k is like, yeah, that's the smartest
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player I've ever had as a competitive player I've ever had. So, ah,
he'll be fine. I wish they would have made the
move earlier so we could build a better staff. But
you cross your fingers on that. There's this other issue
to consider, Dan Woiki La times. Remember, stuff gets out
when somebody wants it out. According to his story, Reddick's
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assent as a favorite in the coaching search came without
Lebron James urging they wanted to make sure that got out.
In fact, they were more concerned about how a d
felt about the move. According to this story, who doesn't
co host a podcast with JJ Reddick? So you got
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to balance that, baby, That's something that is something. But
again in review, the JJ Reddick piece smart competitive, As
long as he's not stubborn, he'll be fine. Lakers competency
patience I haven't seen in a decade. That's my concern.
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So I'm gonna throw this out there. I am not
proposing this. This is not my big trade proposal, but
it's something that needs to be addressed. Tray Young and
I've said before I would have no problems Tray Young
with Lebron, James space the floor with Lebron and AD,
I'm for it. Tray Young sent out a tweet an
hour Glass, a cryptic post after the JJ Reddick news.
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So how do the Lakers get a Tray Young? Well,
they could move d Low, they could move some bench guys,
James Vanderbilt. They could give up three first round picks,
probably have to give up Austin Reeves. I'd be here
for it. I know, I know I'd be here for it.
For Trey Young. I do think Trey Young would work here.
It feels like something AD would like because Trey Young
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would space the floor, it'd be harder to collapse. It's
very easy now to collapse on Anthony Davis because the
Lakers don't have anybody that can shoot a three, and
Trey Young's an elite three ball, a true point guard
at least in twenty twenty four. He's a point guard
and he's a playmaker. So Lebron wouldn't have to be
the overwhelming playmaker every time down the floor. Trey Young
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could do some of that. Lebron could play off the
ball occasionally, conserve some energy. You couldn't just collapse on
Anthony Davis, so he would space the floor. So it's
the sort of thing the Lakers do, big splashy trades,
free agent signings, not working through the draft. They're not
the Royals of the Pittsburgh Pirates. That's not what they do.
They're not even OKC, a well run team that loves
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the draft and develop. But I don't know if OKC
has the guts to pull off a big trade. Sam
Presty likes to draft and develop and accumulate picks, and
that's fine, so does Boston. But Boston had the guts
to go out and get poor Zingis and Drew Holliday
and their champs. But I do think this works. He's
a floor spacer. He is what they are not in
his prime, really quick playmaker and can shoot threes. I
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mean his team is the Celtics, number one in the
NBA shooting threes, Lakers twenty eighth. I mean he is
exactly what the doctor ordered, quick, twitchy, prime threes playmaker.
And it should be noted what was JJ Reddick? He
was a guard that shot threes. How do we know
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if JJ Reddick can coach Biggs? He would never was
a big He's never coached Biggs, But I know JJ Reddick.
If you listen to JJ Reddick, this is a guy
JJ Reddi could work with. JJ Reddick was a playmaker.
He was a moving around the floor guy. He was
a shooting threes guy. My guess is quarterbacks, no quarterbacks,
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playmakers and shooters. No playmakers and shooters. He'd be good
with Tray Young. So I wouldn't propose this, but I'd
be okay with it. I think there's a better deal
out there. But I do think another thing to consider.
If you made the Tray Young deal, and I was
at an event in the last six seven months where
Trey Young was there and Lebron made a point of
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showing up just saying I was at the event. Lebron
didn't have to come. Trey Young was there and Lebron
made sure he got to the event just to shake hands,
say hi. It would also Trey Young would also create
some momentum and inertia because when a new coach takes
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over JJ Reddick with no experience, if you gave him
the same roster, people'd be picking him apart, picking him apart.
Tray Young would take a lot of the attention away
from us micro managing, micro inspecting JJ Uddick. We'd have
all the eyes on Trey Young, Lebron and AD. We
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wouldn't worry as much about coaching because the Lakers didn't
have any three ball shooters in a three ball league.
All we did is talk about Darvin Ham's rotations. You
get Trey Young in, we're gonna be talking about Trey Young,
not the coach. So I think the Tray Young him
putting out an hour glass is saying, ah, it's a
matter of time. I would be on board with that. Now.
J Mack is not a Trey Young fan and He's
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a pretty shaky defensive player, but it should be noted
so is Luca, and you all love Luca. As a
lot of guys in this league who are offensive players
who are not great defensive players. Trey Young has got
better as a defensive player. But he is a playmaker.
He is a shooter. He's in his prime. And I'll
tell you he was in the biggest city in the South.
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He is a big city player. When he broke into
this league, where did he play best? New York City.
Trey Young is not gonna wither under the lights. He's
a big city player. Atlanta's the big city in the South.
Love playing in New York. He'd fit in Los Angeles,
he would not shrink. So, if that's the move, and
Trey Young's giving you a cryptic tweet, if that's the move,
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I think there's advantages to it. We pay a lot
more attention to him than the rookie head coach, And
good god, the Lakers need guys that can shoot. They
need guys that I mean ruyacha more. I always oh
three more. If that's your guy, You're not a championship team.
Ad Lebron and Trey Young. That's getting past the first round.
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So j Mack, I'm I am going to propose the
trade I would make, and I'm not gonna I just
think you have to Stroy considered.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Let's say it's a summer Friday. Let's let's get off
to a nice start here. Colin, you want to give
up like the entire roster except for Lebron and AD
for Trey Young because we just talked about this. You
can do what the Celtics did and get like really
nice three four five guys, or you can go for
a third star, which is what the Suns did and
that flopped badly.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think the NBA's turning.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I would rather go try to find me a Derek
White and Alex Caruso type guy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Find three of those to go with. Lebron and Ad
as opposed to Derek White aren't out there.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And they're fine a slightly less eighty percent of Derek White.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You're not a championship team with old Lebron eighty playing
sixty four games, Austin Reid, Austin Reeves, and a poor
man's Derek White. That is not a champion. Yeah, that's
not a champ. If you want to be a championship
team on any night. Ad protects the basket, Lebron the playmaker,
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Trey Young dropping thirty four from her perimeter. And guys,
that is a team that could compete on any night
with any team. I mean, listen, this is Los Angeles.
If you want to do like tweaking, that's that's not LA.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I know, I don't know if this solves like
who's guarding Jamal Murray in crunch time?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It doesn't adding Tree Young, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You go up against the Celtics in the finals, who's
guarding Tatum and Brown?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now coming up next, I think something has to be
considered by low Sell High. I want you to think
about that going into the break by low Sell High,
next and heard.
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Speaker 1 (13:44):
Welcome back JJ Reddick, Lakers coach.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Reddick is a guard who was a great shooter. He
loves the Celtics. If you listen to the podcast five
and out, that is the exact opposite of what the
Lakers are. So for him to succeed. The Lakers have
to make moves. This This eighty doesn't shoot threes anymore.
They don't have any three point shooters. This roster is
not built for JJ Reddick. And there's a story that
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Genie Buss wanted to get Dan Hurley. You didn't. You
got JJ Reddick. So give him a chance. Build him
a team that can work. When Frank Vogel was the
Lakers coach, they had all that size at a D Lebron,
You had KCP in the wing, there was length. Vogel
was built for a big team. Like coaches Mike d'An
TONI doesn't like bigs. JJ Reddick's going to be great
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with guards and playmakers. So give him a chance the Lakers.
If Lebron's out, Austin Reeves can't be your guy. That's
that's he can be your second playmaker. He can't be
the lead dog and win consistently as the West gets bigger.
So Kendrick Perkins broadcast other plays, said, I want to
see how it goes with JJ Reddick. If he's not
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thriving with Anthony Davis, I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony
Davis wants out of Los Angeles. So what if Anthony
Davis doesn't want out of Los Angeles? Would the Lakers
consider moving Ad. There's a basic understanding on Wall Street
by low Sell High. Anthony Davis just had the healthiest
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year of his career. He's in his prime. The league
is getting bigger. You could rebuild the roster moving him
and fetch a ton hell. Rudy Gobert got five first
round picks in rotational players, and AD is significantly better
than Rudy Gobert. There is no proof JJ Reddick wants
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a big man who has moved away from three point
shooting eighty doesn't shoot him anymore, and when he does,
he's awful twenty seven percent. If you listen to JJ
Reddick's podcast, it's a tell he's telling you what he likes.
Celtics ball movement. Everybody can shoot. This roster has no shooters.
It's got no shooters. And Ad tried the three ball thing,
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didn't like it and was lousy at it, moved back
toward the basket and had an unbelievable year. He's not
going to play seventy six games again. And even when
he did, it got him a playing game. This roster
was built for Darvin Ham and they fired him. It
is not built for JJ Reddick, and I think there's
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a trade partner. Just think about this. What is an
organization with a ton of draft capital, a bunch of
good young players, which the Lakers have nobody in their
prime except Ad and it's a late prime. The Lakers
need shooters, wing defenders. Hey, they have a and that's
what the league is. The Lakers have a huge hole.
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Need shooters and now a coach who's going to be
good at coaching them. They need wing defenders. Think about
Oklahoma City Skinny chet Holmgren. They don't have enough girth
to face a Jokis or a Karl Anthony Townsend to
go Bear or a Horford and a portzing They just
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don't have enough. They don't have enough girth. They're not
good enough on the glass. They got plenty of wings SGA.
They need a big. They have a ton of draft picks.
They also have a surplus of good young players. And
you're not winning championships with a bunch of good young players.
You're not. Even The Celtics went and got Drew Holliday
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and Porzingis and an older player, Derek White's older than
you think. I think he's twenty nine years old. You're
not winning with kids in this league. So is Oklahoma
City get a brag they have all these draft picks
in great twenty two year olds, or do you want
to win? You're not feating Denver Boston with a bunch
of kids. You're not beating them with Chet Holmgren. You're not.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I don't know if Sam Presty has the guts, but
I would think these are the key pieces. I think
there's a perfect trade partner to build a roster and
give JJ Reddick a chance. Anthony Davis with Chet Holmgren
with a Lou Dort with an SGA is a media
lee along with Boston and Denver a favorite to win
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the title. That is a great team. Meanwhile, what do
the Lakers need? Twenty three year old Jalen Williams average
nineteen a game. His ceiling's probably closer to twenty five
to twenty six. He's twenty three. He can defend Cason Wallace,
tremendous young defender, only twenty high ceiling take a while,
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but Lebron will get him up and running quickly. Four
first round picks try to get most of them. Not
this draft, but next draft. This is a lousy draft.
Try to get the next draft. The money doesn't work
with this. You have to add a third team. You
got to make the money work. Lakers may have to
take a bad contract, probably with a big, but this
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roster is not JJ Reddicks roster. You give him some
three and D guys, some wing guys, some shooter guys.
Lebron can hit a three. He just had one of
his best, if not his best, three point shooting. You
may have to move in Austin Reeves, but ad would
fetch you what you haven't had forever, Young ascending players
in their prime. I mean, come on, Kyle Kuzmlonzo ball
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not as good as these guys, potentially so. And Lebron's
at a point in his career where he's gonna have
to play with young guys because the franchise now is
not Lebron. It can't singularly be Lebron. It was five
years ago, it's not now. So to me, there's a
trade partner. I don't know. If Sam Presty just wants
to draft and develop his way to respect. He's already
done that. He's got no titles. He's been there once.
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At some point even Boston and Brad Stevens said, we
have Tatum and Brown, who are a better combination today
than chet Holm, Good and SGA, and we got to
go ad two more pieces Denver had, Jokich Murray. They're like,
we need Gordon, we need another elite player. So to me,
you can draft and develop and get patted on the
back by all these fanboys on Twitter. Or you can
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make a huge move at Oklahoma City and get for
the next four years with Ad, SGA and chet you can.
You can give yourself a shot because this young team,
they're not as good as Denver, They're not as good
as Boston. Chet Homegun gets tweaked. Yet no size, You're
not formidable enough, you know, front court? Just a thought,
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just a thought. I mean again, okayse he's got a
million draft picks. You only got so many roster spots.
You only got so many roster spots. It's time to shrink.
It's time to shrink the draft capitol and all the
young guys you love and get a dog and go
get a seventy five game dominant defensive player with a
great offensive player. Both SGA and homebren are terrific offensive players.
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You need a big dog down that doesn't want to
shoot threes, that's gonna protect their rim. Or you can
have a bunch of draft picks and kids. Draft picks
and kids don't win in this league. They just don't win.
And the Lakers. You'll say, well, the Lakers won't win.
You want to get They're not gonna win a Chamce
being chip here in the next two years. You got
to give JJ rec Reddick a fighting chance with a
roster built for what he does, wings and shooters and
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Lebron running the show for the next two to three years.
There's my proposal. That's what I would do. Sam Presty
may not even take the call.
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Three Rings, MVP of a Super Bowl, third leading receiver
in NFL playoff history, most yards, most recept options number
three now Fox Sports NFL analyst Julian Edelman. You know
Tom Brady was on earlier in the week, took kind
of a jab. Actually we'll get to that later. No
reason to you know, have a border skirmish early in
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the year. I mean, with what's going on, shots fired,
I know it's ridiculous. Let's start with a non Patriots story.
I've always had this belief everything in the NFL is something.
Nothing's everything. I would rather with a new old line
and a coach on the hot seat, Aaron Rodgers show
up to camp. What was your take on that?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
My take is, you know, I know a lot of
people do things differently, but god forbid. The New York
Jets start one in three in the beginning of the season,
which they start with the Niners, Tennessee Patriots.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Who else last one? Someone else? Regardless? And we all
know that the Patriots are no good.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
But that defense is still the same defense, and that's
who Aaron goes against If they go one in three,
this is gonna be such a big distraction for that
locker room because everyone's gonna be talking about this is
New York City, you know, it's this media. It's the
media capital of the world. And you can't tell me.
You know, I'm a big Aaron Rodgers fan. But if
I was in that locker room and Aaron Rodgers wasn't
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there for three days on the mandatory minute.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Camps, having played four snaps last year.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Having played four snaps off of an injury, when we
have two new receivers, we got a bunch of new
linemen that we added to the team with a CBA
that doesn't allow us to practice a lot. You know,
I guarantee there's four or five guys, six, seven, eight,
nine guys in that locker room sitting there like where's
he at?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Where's our star Corts?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Where's he at?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know, if they start four and O, no one's
gonna care. That's right. But that's this the NFL.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I think it's a bad look for your leader, for
whatever reason, to go and miss an unexcused absence. I mean,
I was with Tom Brady in his twentieth fifth year,
twenty third year, and he started he started missing OTAs
here and there, but he was still there, never missed
a mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And you know, I just thought it was a bad look.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's how I look. And to your point, everything in
New York's magnified, which is why it's a cautionary tale
if you do. I mean, if you go look at
the history of New York, the guys that succeed grow
with the city, Jeter Eli Manning, Aaron Jack. When you
bring in a star a Rod, I mean, that's a
prime example. It's it's harder because the expectations from day
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one are through the roof.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Yeah, and well people don't realize you can't win games
in the offseason, but you can lose them because this
is ultimately where you gain your fundamentals.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
And later on in the year you rely on.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Fundamentals and high stress situations, that's what you're gonna naturally
fall on.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And so when you're a young receiver and you.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Haven't played with the quarterback, and then you're gonna go
into training camp and things are gonna be coming a
lot faster. You have the pads on, it's gonna be
tougher for that content annuity for that whole unit, and
also with the lineman. I mean, you know, when you're
a receiver during practice, those reps are so crucial because
say you get something, you run a out and you
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catch the ball. The more important thing is after practice,
when you watch the film and you guys communicate on
what was good about that, what was wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And they're not going to have any of those reps.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
And I know it's just three days and he was
there for organized team activities, but you know there's not
a lot of practice time right now, and practice is crucial.
Practice execution becomes game reality.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's great. Also, never this is why I thought it
was a poor decision. Veteran offensive linemen do not take
snaps in the preseason anymore. So you're I mean September now,
Julian for veterans is a little bit like week three
of the exhibition season. Without a doubt, you're kind of
playing your way into the season.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
And what is Aaron Rodgers. What's one of his strengths
his cadence? You know how hard it is to get
a guy's cadence down on the you know, offensive line
when he's barking, screaming like I'm gonna be interested to
see these pre snap penalties early in the year because
Aaron relies on that cadence. He's one of the best
ever to do it. We used to call, you know,
one of the cadence's Green Bay because we get a
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guy jump offside try to get a free play.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And Aaron's great at that.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
But that takes time to get guys on the right
page to understand his voice and his inflections. So you know,
I hope everything's good in his camp. I'm a huge
Aaron Rodgers fan, but it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
By the way, Brady, Speaking of timing and receivers, Tom
talked about on the interview, prioritizing getting your top wide
receiver the ball early in games.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
We would always try to script so that everybody would
feel like they were in the flow of the game.
The last thing you want is your number one receiver
to go two and a half quarters into a game
and not see a ball to get one targeter because
he's got to get discouraged. He's got to go out there,
he's got to break the huddle, he's got to run
out twenty five yards to his alignment. He's got to
run down the field as fast as he can try
to get open. He's got to run back to the huddle.
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It's a lot of effort that he's putting into not
getting the ball. Now, get you when you can reward
that guy early in the game and faure, Okay, where's
he at? How do I get him the ball?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And let's talk about that. Was that really a focus?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
That was definitely a focus. You know, he kept on
talking about the rhythm of the game. When you get
into the beginning of the game. You know, everyone's got
nerves and everyone's got a little anxiety, and what cleans
up those nerves is a play.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know, you catch a ball, you get hit that
wakes you up. All right, now we're.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Ready to really get into the flow of the game.
And I remember times specifically after injuries or something with
like a gronk or a me, when you got into
that game it was like, we need to get me
the ball, or we need to get someone who's been
out for a while the ball early so you can
gain that confidence, you know, And and also it's rewarding
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players in practice. You know, there could be guys that
are doing in saying reps, they're doing great things in practice,
and you try to get them the ball early just
to it's kind of like a reward factor as well.
But getting the ball to your priority receivers was something
that we always tried to do to get guys in
the flow of things, get guys confidence, going to let
guys know, hey, we're gonna keep it going here.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So you were recently at Patriots camp.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
What you see?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I saw a defense that was flying around. I saw
a lot of communication out of the defense. I saw
Jacoby Burssett looking confident, calling great play calling and communicating
plays very well. And that's what you really want to
see in in organized team activities. You want to see
execution operation like being able to get a play call
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in with a coach out of the huddle and communicating
player to player, you know, running plays on you know,
not just first down, second down, third down, but being
having calling plays like it's a game.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
They were doing a lot of that. They were. It
was really cool to see the new kickoff rule and.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Then practicing that in the strategy of what people are
gonna be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's a pooch kick now.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh, it's a pooch kick.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
You're gonna see a lot of fireworks on this play
because you know the touchback goes out to a thirty,
so they're incentivizing and trying to keep the ball in play.
And then also you're gonna see body types start changing.
Guys that can shed blocks because they're only ten yards
or five yards apart.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know right there, you don't need the speed. You
need guys that can shed blocks and make tackle line.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
A lot of linebackers good in space type guys, and
just a strategy like are they gonna squib it?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Are they gonna pooch it?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Are they gonna have You know, I heard talks of
Kansas City having a safety back. They're kicking it off
because if they break that line, this is like a
pump return. Now you break that line, there's only one wave.
The old kickoff, you'd have the wedge, you'd have your
second wave, and then you have your your your safety wave.
Where so you had to get through three. You had
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a track.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You'd find that track, you'd hit that track, and it
was like Nascar.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You see smoke. You just bite your lip and you
find the lane and go and you may get blown up.
You may not with a lot of waves. Now it's
like a punt return where everyone's on top of you.
You get vertical. You could make a one cut and
get vertical, and you could be housing and there's no safety.
So you know, it'll be interesting to see what they
do with these kickers. Maybe find some guy that's a
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safety finding these rugby guys.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I don't need to have a great leg.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
You don't need to have a great leg, You just
need to be able to get that squib or in
that kick zone area.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So I was impressed. Drake May had some really good throws.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You know, you look a little rough. His footwork in
college was dicey. What did you see?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He had a pretty dial.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
The day I was there, I saw him make an
endline incut in traffic, which is a tough play in
the red area. So that's throwing an incut on the
back of the end zone with other guys, other defenders
making the proper read on hitting that incut, going to
his third read.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So that was like really cool to see.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
But you also can't take too much with OTAs because
everything's kind of scripted.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, he goes in we have our six plays
this period.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
You kind of know on this down and distance, the
defense is going to get that, give you this coverage.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
The mic call is going to be this.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So the communication was very good for what I saw,
but I didn't know how they were doing it behind
the scenes.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
They could have been prompting.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That eighteen games is coming. The Union now is aware
of it. They want a few more roster spots. I
get it. That'll get fifth sixty five sixty four more jobs.
I'm for that. I also think seventeen games didn't dilute
the product. It's just we like our football. I would
demand if I was a player, another bye week. That
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feels realistic to me. Let's just stretch it out. Super
Bowls are mostly domes anyway, warmer weather, so it doesn't
bother me. If you were a player, that would be
two games added in a pretty short period of time.
Would it make September more experimental? How would you view
it as a player?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You know you can get into this, all right, the
beginning part of the season is gonna be like the preseason.
But if this is the National Football League, you can't
miss a game. You can't have a one game, three
game skit, or you're out of it. So you can
kind of kiss that out the window, kick that out
the window. What I really think the NFL, if they're
gonna go to this, which it's not making the game
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safer when you have large human beings that can run fast,
that even if you change rules, are still trying to decaputate,
to capitate each other. It's not gonna be safe. They
better give us another two game checks. You know, I
don't like this pro rated. We're all right, we're just
gonna take your salary and we're gonna divide it by eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Now, like, let's let's give some more pot.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Let's give some more money to the pot for the fellas,
let the boys eat, and you know, then we could
talk turkey because it's gonna get there sooner or later.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
But you know, I'm not a big fan of it.
I thought it's a.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Grind to get through an NFL season. After week eight,
your your everybody hurt, Everyone is hurt, everyone's banged up.
It's one hundred percent injury rate in this sport. And
you can't go out and say you're trying to make
the game safeer even if you're changing rules by adding games.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know it's JJ Reddick got hired by the Lakers.
He's inexperienced, but a he's a former player and he's smart.
I'll go to your entire career. You know, you had
an older coach and experienced coach. But even as a
position coach, if a guy comes in without a ton experience,
but he's a bright guy, what what what does he
need for a guy like you, a veteran to buy in.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
He needs to have great information and he has needs
to have a presence in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Uh. You know, like.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
My last couple of years, we had Mick Lombardi. He
was our receiver coach, and I was like three years
older than him, and you know, like I'm sitting here
and what Nick or Nick did to get my respect
was he would feed me information. He'd take care of
the certain guys that needed to be taken care of.
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But it was all about how he tapered the meeting.
Like what was giving me information that's gonna make me
better for this practice, for this game, for whatever we're
getting into. So how you communicate to the player and
the depth of the communication, the knowledge that you're giving
to him, that is huge to get the respect of
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a guy.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Interesting, you say, like what kind of information that's fascinating?
Just like.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Being able to sum something up for the defense that
we're about to go up against. That you didn't know
that I didn't know, giving me like all right, well
you know, I'm gonna study this guy, this defensive back.
You know, he's gonna come up to me and say,
all right, watch his three offhand jams. He does that
with a staggered stance like these are the things you
should look like, those types of little nick bits. Information's key,
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you know what I mean? And so if he could
give me that and he showed me, you know, and
also with me, I would if it was a younger guy,
like with Mick, I would get mad at him if
he showed like old clips of other guys.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I was sitting after the meeting, I'm like, hey, this
is my meeting room. I want to see.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I don't want to be watching Wes Welker and Rainy
Mont like we got examples of me doing this. Why
why are you know what I mean, confrontation but no information,
how he handles the room and always being prepared and
showing something that you haven't seen from that from a
coaching staff before, Like with with Mick. He would also,
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you know, have these little funny things that he would
do after the meeting to try to get guys together.
He'd have a history point of of something that was
going on at that time of the the calendar year
to get guys engaged, you know. So everyone's got to
bring a little something. But for me, it was always
the information how he communicated to us.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Uh. Finally, the Tom Brady Patriots Hall of Fame, big event, huge,
it was what was it like to be that What
was your favorite moment?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Your favorite moment was really going into Foxborough into a
sold out stadium again, you know, I've been removed for
two years going on three and being with guys that
you competed with at a high level to celebrate the
flag carrier, you know, that was just a special moment.
There were so many guys that I haven't seen in
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two to ten years, you know. I mean some of
the early Patriot guys that I played with, the Steve Neils,
the Matt Lights, the Logan Mankins.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I had everybody there, Huh, everybody was there?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I would say there had to be one hundred and
fifty two hundred plus fots. I mean, there was a lot,
a lot of guys that I haven't seen in so long,
and you know, to hear Tom, you know, listening and
watching Tom when he speaks, you know, and I've been
around him for so long, but he still inspires me,
you know what I mean, just because the one thing
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about Tom Brady is everything he says he practices.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
He practices what he preaches.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Like so when you sit there and you say, Bro,
you're really gonna tell me not to eat a strawberry,
he really doesn't eat him and he really believes that.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Or if he tells you something, you know you gotta
do this.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
When he talked about working smarter in your interview, how
he became such an efficient preparer, like you always learned
something from him through his example, and just how of
a stand up guy he really is.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I I you know, he's a genuine dude.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
And it was so great to just get to hear
all the stories from other guys and really celebrate him.
And it was great to see Coach Belichick there once
again in the same room with him. You know, I
love I love those tension times when you see old
Bill and mister r KK and Tom, you know, it's
that's just that's just fun.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It was a fun night. It was great to see
everyone too, and it was sold out. The were going nuts.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh god, it was great.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I mean, it was a fun night. Good seeing man
always pleasure.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's got a podcast, Games with Names, a new episode
every Tuesday, when's Mind come out.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
You know, we had to save years for a special week,
you know, you know how it's kind of there's low weeks.
We throw in coward in the low week. We're getting ratings.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Baby, my middle name is Lowell, that's all.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh do we have a show in store for you today,
live in Los Angeles on a Friday. It's the Hurt
wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Really like where
we're going today. There's a lot of stuff going on.
J Mac JJ Reddick. Five minutes after our show ended,
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got tabbed as the as Lakers head coach, and it
was We had kind of predicted it Wednesday. We thought
it Land. That's what we'd heard. There's a lot of
different angles on this If that's the tree, there's a
lot of branches on this store. Oo okay, I'll take
it all right. Let's start with this, JJ Reddick. Here
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are two very common traits. Two in highly successful people,
high IQ, highly competitive, not a lot of failures. Smart
people who are very driven in competitive succeed. Coach k
at Duke has had a lot of smart people and
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a lot of competitive people come through that program for
all those years, and at seventy seven years old today
he acknowledges JJ was as smart as any player he's
ever had and as competitive as any playeries had. Now,
the only thing that gets in the way of really
smart competitive people, men or women. The only trait that
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can get in the way of that is stubborn. And
you see that just puncture really smart competitive people. I
don't know JJ well enough to know is he stubborn?
But in the NBA you have to be adaptable. It's
a long, long season. There's injuries, there's egos. You got
to be able to pivot, keep players happy. But I'll
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be honest about this, He'll be a quick learner. I
don't really worry about JJ Reddick. I worry about the
Lakers impatience and competency. Just think about this. The two
best teams in the league, in my opinion, they're favored
next year, the Celtics and Denver. Denver landed the joker,
the best player in the world, surrounded him with good players,
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and it still took an excellent coach Mike Malone, what
was it seven years to win a title with the
best player in his prime? Didn't have to trade for
him and give up draft capitol. They got him in
the second round, took him seven years with a Joker,
best player in the world prime. The Celtics landed two
excellent players, maybe not as good as Joker, but Jalen
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Brown Jason Tatum, excellent players did excellent coach Brad Stevens,
who've done an excellent GM. Brad Stevens took them seven
eight years. They had to add pieces. So whether you
land the best player in the world or two other
elite players, we've had six champions in six years. The
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talent is all spread out. Gone or the Shaq Kobe years,
the Magic Kareem Worthy years, It's not like that anymore.
Hard to get a third star now. The good news
for the Lakers they have three nice pieces. Anthony Davis
is a top twelve player. Defensively, he's a gem. Lebron's
still very very very good and a playmaker. He makes
people around him better. And Austin Reeves is a solid playmaker.
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If I had to move in my Wood, but he's
a solid playmaker. They could also trade D'Angelo Russell if
he opts in or if he opts out. They got
eighteen million bucks to play with, So there are far
worse situations in the NBA to inherit that what JJ
Reddick is. But there's a lot of things to consider here.
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They don't have any shooters. JJ's a shooter. He wants
a roster of shooters. That's his game. The other thing,
like the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys, Lakers are a
big brand in a big city and the expectations are
always a little unrealistic. And here's the other thing. Anthony
Davis played seventy six games. Lebron played seventy one. They're
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not going to play that many games next year. That's
the healthiest Ad and Lebron have been in years. And
that got him a playing game and getting almost swept
by Denver. They played Denver well, But that's what Ad
playing every night got you. That's what Lebron playing virtually
every night got you. I'd bet before a one K
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that AD's not playing seventy six games as a Laker
next year. Okay, So that's stuff to think about. So
the Lakers. To me, I need a lot of patience here.
This is not a championship roster. I'm going to propose
a massive deal after the break. Something to consider, But
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I don't worry about JJ Reddick. Mike Krzyzewski's like, that's
the smartest player's ever had, and he had like Quinn
Snyder and our guys and a lot of smart guys.
Trajan Langdon was a smart guy, made Shane Battier. It's
like Duke, It's like the smartest guys in the world, right,
like some of the smartest basketball players ever, you know,
dookies and Coach k is like, yeah, that's the smartest
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player I've ever had as a competitive player I've ever had. So, ah,
he'll be fine. I wish they would have made the
move earlier so we could build a better staff. But
you cross your fingers on that. There's this other issue
to consider, Dan Woiki La times. Remember, stuff gets out
when somebody wants it out. According to his story, Reddick's
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assent as a favorite in the coaching search came without
Lebron James urging they wanted to make sure that got out.
In fact, they were more concerned about how a d
felt about the move. According to this story, who doesn't
co host a podcast with JJ Reddick? So you got
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to balance that, baby, That's something that is something. But
again in review, the JJ Reddick piece smart competitive, As
long as he's not stubborn, he'll be fine. Lakers competency
patience I haven't seen in a decade. That's my concern.
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So I'm gonna throw this out there. I am not
proposing this. This is not my big trade proposal, but
it's something that needs to be addressed. Tray Young and
I've said before I would have no problems Tray Young
with Lebron, James space the floor with Lebron and AD,
I'm for it. Tray Young sent out a tweet an
hour Glass, a cryptic post after the JJ Reddick news.
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So how do the Lakers get a Tray Young? Well,
they could move d Low, they could move some bench guys,
James Vanderbilt. They could give up three first round picks,
probably have to give up Austin Reeves. I'd be here
for it. I know, I know I'd be here for it.
For Trey Young. I do think Trey Young would work here.
It feels like something AD would like because Trey Young
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would space the floor, it'd be harder to collapse. It's
very easy now to collapse on Anthony Davis because the
Lakers don't have anybody that can shoot a three, and
Trey Young's an elite three ball, a true point guard
at least in twenty twenty four. He's a point guard
and he's a playmaker. So Lebron wouldn't have to be
the overwhelming playmaker every time down the floor. Trey Young
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could do some of that. Lebron could play off the
ball occasionally, conserve some energy. You couldn't just collapse on
Anthony Davis, so he would space the floor. So it's
the sort of thing the Lakers do, big splashy trades,
free agent signings, not working through the draft. They're not
the Royals of the Pittsburgh Pirates. That's not what they do.
They're not even OKC, a well run team that loves
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the draft and develop. But I don't know if OKC
has the guts to pull off a big trade. Sam
Presty likes to draft and develop and accumulate picks, and
that's fine, so does Boston. But Boston had the guts
to go out and get poor Zingis and Drew Holliday
and their champs. But I do think this works. He's
a floor spacer. He is what they are not in
his prime, really quick playmaker and can shoot threes. I
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mean his team is the Celtics, number one in the
NBA shooting threes, Lakers twenty eighth. I mean he is
exactly what the doctor ordered, quick, twitchy, prime threes playmaker.
And it should be noted what was JJ Reddick? He
was a guard that shot threes. How do we know
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if JJ Reddick can coach Biggs? He would never was
a big He's never coached Biggs, But I know JJ Reddick.
If you listen to JJ Reddick, this is a guy
JJ Reddi could work with. JJ Reddick was a playmaker.
He was a moving around the floor guy. He was
a shooting threes guy. My guess is quarterbacks, no quarterbacks,
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playmakers and shooters. No playmakers and shooters. He'd be good
with Tray Young. So I wouldn't propose this, but I'd
be okay with it. I think there's a better deal
out there. But I do think another thing to consider.
If you made the Tray Young deal, and I was
at an event in the last six seven months where
Trey Young was there and Lebron made a point of
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showing up just saying I was at the event. Lebron
didn't have to come. Trey Young was there and Lebron
made sure he got to the event just to shake hands,
say hi. It would also Trey Young would also create
some momentum and inertia because when a new coach takes
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over JJ Reddick with no experience, if you gave him
the same roster, people'd be picking him apart, picking him apart.
Tray Young would take a lot of the attention away
from us micro managing, micro inspecting JJ Uddick. We'd have
all the eyes on Trey Young, Lebron and AD. We
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wouldn't worry as much about coaching because the Lakers didn't
have any three ball shooters in a three ball league.
All we did is talk about Darvin Ham's rotations. You
get Trey Young in, we're gonna be talking about Trey Young,
not the coach. So I think the Tray Young him
putting out an hour glass is saying, ah, it's a
matter of time. I would be on board with that. Now.
J Mack is not a Trey Young fan and He's
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a pretty shaky defensive player, but it should be noted
so is Luca, and you all love Luca. As a
lot of guys in this league who are offensive players
who are not great defensive players. Trey Young has got
better as a defensive player. But he is a playmaker.
He is a shooter. He's in his prime. And I'll
tell you he was in the biggest city in the South.
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He is a big city player. When he broke into
this league, where did he play best? New York City.
Trey Young is not gonna wither under the lights. He's
a big city player. Atlanta's the big city in the South.
Love playing in New York. He'd fit in Los Angeles,
he would not shrink. So, if that's the move, and
Trey Young's giving you a cryptic tweet, if that's the move,
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I think there's advantages to it. We pay a lot
more attention to him than the rookie head coach, And
good god, the Lakers need guys that can shoot. They
need guys that I mean ruyacha more. I always oh
three more. If that's your guy, You're not a championship team.
Ad Lebron and Trey Young. That's getting past the first round.
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So j Mack, I'm I am going to propose the
trade I would make, and I'm not gonna I just
think you have to Stroy considered.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Let's say it's a summer Friday. Let's let's get off
to a nice start here. Colin, you want to give
up like the entire roster except for Lebron and AD
for Trey Young because we just talked about this. You
can do what the Celtics did and get like really
nice three four five guys, or you can go for
a third star, which is what the Suns did and
that flopped badly.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think the NBA's turning.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I would rather go try to find me a Derek
White and Alex Caruso type guy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Find three of those to go with. Lebron and Ad
as opposed to Derek White aren't out there.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And they're fine a slightly less eighty percent of Derek White.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You're not a championship team with old Lebron eighty playing
sixty four games, Austin Reid, Austin Reeves, and a poor
man's Derek White. That is not a champion. Yeah, that's
not a champ. If you want to be a championship
team on any night. Ad protects the basket, Lebron the playmaker,
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Trey Young dropping thirty four from her perimeter. And guys,
that is a team that could compete on any night
with any team. I mean, listen, this is Los Angeles.
If you want to do like tweaking, that's that's not LA.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I know, I don't know if this solves like
who's guarding Jamal Murray in crunch time?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It doesn't adding Tree Young, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You go up against the Celtics in the finals, who's
guarding Tatum and Brown?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now coming up next, I think something has to be
considered by low Sell High. I want you to think
about that going into the break by low Sell High,
next and heard.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
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Speaker 1 (13:44):
Welcome back JJ Reddick, Lakers coach.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Reddick is a guard who was a great shooter. He
loves the Celtics. If you listen to the podcast five
and out, that is the exact opposite of what the
Lakers are. So for him to succeed. The Lakers have
to make moves. This This eighty doesn't shoot threes anymore.
They don't have any three point shooters. This roster is
not built for JJ Reddick. And there's a story that
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Genie Buss wanted to get Dan Hurley. You didn't. You
got JJ Reddick. So give him a chance. Build him
a team that can work. When Frank Vogel was the
Lakers coach, they had all that size at a D Lebron,
You had KCP in the wing, there was length. Vogel
was built for a big team. Like coaches Mike d'An
TONI doesn't like bigs. JJ Reddick's going to be great
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with guards and playmakers. So give him a chance the Lakers.
If Lebron's out, Austin Reeves can't be your guy. That's
that's he can be your second playmaker. He can't be
the lead dog and win consistently as the West gets bigger.
So Kendrick Perkins broadcast other plays, said, I want to
see how it goes with JJ Reddick. If he's not
(14:51):
thriving with Anthony Davis, I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony
Davis wants out of Los Angeles. So what if Anthony
Davis doesn't want out of Los Angeles? Would the Lakers
consider moving Ad. There's a basic understanding on Wall Street
by low Sell High. Anthony Davis just had the healthiest
(15:13):
year of his career. He's in his prime. The league
is getting bigger. You could rebuild the roster moving him
and fetch a ton hell. Rudy Gobert got five first
round picks in rotational players, and AD is significantly better
than Rudy Gobert. There is no proof JJ Reddick wants
(15:34):
a big man who has moved away from three point
shooting eighty doesn't shoot him anymore, and when he does,
he's awful twenty seven percent. If you listen to JJ
Reddick's podcast, it's a tell he's telling you what he likes.
Celtics ball movement. Everybody can shoot. This roster has no shooters.
It's got no shooters. And Ad tried the three ball thing,
(15:58):
didn't like it and was lousy at it, moved back
toward the basket and had an unbelievable year. He's not
going to play seventy six games again. And even when
he did, it got him a playing game. This roster
was built for Darvin Ham and they fired him. It
is not built for JJ Reddick, and I think there's
(16:19):
a trade partner. Just think about this. What is an
organization with a ton of draft capital, a bunch of
good young players, which the Lakers have nobody in their
prime except Ad and it's a late prime. The Lakers
need shooters, wing defenders. Hey, they have a and that's
what the league is. The Lakers have a huge hole.
(16:41):
Need shooters and now a coach who's going to be
good at coaching them. They need wing defenders. Think about
Oklahoma City Skinny chet Holmgren. They don't have enough girth
to face a Jokis or a Karl Anthony Townsend to
go Bear or a Horford and a portzing They just
(17:01):
don't have enough. They don't have enough girth. They're not
good enough on the glass. They got plenty of wings SGA.
They need a big. They have a ton of draft picks.
They also have a surplus of good young players. And
you're not winning championships with a bunch of good young players.
You're not. Even The Celtics went and got Drew Holliday
(17:22):
and Porzingis and an older player, Derek White's older than
you think. I think he's twenty nine years old. You're
not winning with kids in this league. So is Oklahoma
City get a brag they have all these draft picks
in great twenty two year olds, or do you want
to win? You're not feating Denver Boston with a bunch
of kids. You're not beating them with Chet Holmgren. You're not.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I don't know if Sam Presty has the guts, but
I would think these are the key pieces. I think
there's a perfect trade partner to build a roster and
give JJ Reddick a chance. Anthony Davis with Chet Holmgren
with a Lou Dort with an SGA is a media
lee along with Boston and Denver a favorite to win
(18:05):
the title. That is a great team. Meanwhile, what do
the Lakers need? Twenty three year old Jalen Williams average
nineteen a game. His ceiling's probably closer to twenty five
to twenty six. He's twenty three. He can defend Cason Wallace,
tremendous young defender, only twenty high ceiling take a while,
(18:26):
but Lebron will get him up and running quickly. Four
first round picks try to get most of them. Not
this draft, but next draft. This is a lousy draft.
Try to get the next draft. The money doesn't work
with this. You have to add a third team. You
got to make the money work. Lakers may have to
take a bad contract, probably with a big, but this
(18:46):
roster is not JJ Reddicks roster. You give him some
three and D guys, some wing guys, some shooter guys.
Lebron can hit a three. He just had one of
his best, if not his best, three point shooting. You
may have to move in Austin Reeves, but ad would
fetch you what you haven't had forever, Young ascending players
in their prime. I mean, come on, Kyle Kuzmlonzo ball
(19:10):
not as good as these guys, potentially so. And Lebron's
at a point in his career where he's gonna have
to play with young guys because the franchise now is
not Lebron. It can't singularly be Lebron. It was five
years ago, it's not now. So to me, there's a
trade partner. I don't know. If Sam Presty just wants
to draft and develop his way to respect. He's already
done that. He's got no titles. He's been there once.
(19:32):
At some point even Boston and Brad Stevens said, we
have Tatum and Brown, who are a better combination today
than chet Holm, Good and SGA, and we got to
go ad two more pieces Denver had, Jokich Murray. They're like,
we need Gordon, we need another elite player. So to me,
you can draft and develop and get patted on the
back by all these fanboys on Twitter. Or you can
(19:55):
make a huge move at Oklahoma City and get for
the next four years with Ad, SGA and chet you can.
You can give yourself a shot because this young team,
they're not as good as Denver, They're not as good
as Boston. Chet Homegun gets tweaked. Yet no size, You're
not formidable enough, you know, front court? Just a thought,
(20:19):
just a thought. I mean again, okayse he's got a
million draft picks. You only got so many roster spots.
You only got so many roster spots. It's time to shrink.
It's time to shrink the draft capitol and all the
young guys you love and get a dog and go
get a seventy five game dominant defensive player with a
great offensive player. Both SGA and homebren are terrific offensive players.
(20:44):
You need a big dog down that doesn't want to
shoot threes, that's gonna protect their rim. Or you can
have a bunch of draft picks and kids. Draft picks
and kids don't win in this league. They just don't win.
And the Lakers. You'll say, well, the Lakers won't win.
You want to get They're not gonna win a Chamce
being chip here in the next two years. You got
to give JJ rec Reddick a fighting chance with a
roster built for what he does, wings and shooters and
(21:08):
Lebron running the show for the next two to three years.
There's my proposal. That's what I would do. Sam Presty
may not even take the call.
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Three Rings, MVP of a Super Bowl, third leading receiver
in NFL playoff history, most yards, most recept options number
three now Fox Sports NFL analyst Julian Edelman. You know
Tom Brady was on earlier in the week, took kind
of a jab. Actually we'll get to that later. No
reason to you know, have a border skirmish early in
(22:12):
the year. I mean, with what's going on, shots fired,
I know it's ridiculous. Let's start with a non Patriots story.
I've always had this belief everything in the NFL is something.
Nothing's everything. I would rather with a new old line
and a coach on the hot seat, Aaron Rodgers show
up to camp. What was your take on that?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
My take is, you know, I know a lot of
people do things differently, but god forbid. The New York
Jets start one in three in the beginning of the season,
which they start with the Niners, Tennessee Patriots.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Who else last one? Someone else? Regardless? And we all
know that the Patriots are no good.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
But that defense is still the same defense, and that's
who Aaron goes against If they go one in three,
this is gonna be such a big distraction for that
locker room because everyone's gonna be talking about this is
New York City, you know, it's this media. It's the
media capital of the world. And you can't tell me.
You know, I'm a big Aaron Rodgers fan. But if
I was in that locker room and Aaron Rodgers wasn't
(23:17):
there for three days on the mandatory minute.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Camps, having played four snaps last year.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Having played four snaps off of an injury, when we
have two new receivers, we got a bunch of new
linemen that we added to the team with a CBA
that doesn't allow us to practice a lot. You know,
I guarantee there's four or five guys, six, seven, eight,
nine guys in that locker room sitting there like where's
he at?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Where's our star Corts?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Where's he at?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know, if they start four and O, no one's
gonna care. That's right. But that's this the NFL.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I think it's a bad look for your leader, for
whatever reason, to go and miss an unexcused absence. I mean,
I was with Tom Brady in his twentieth fifth year,
twenty third year, and he started he started missing OTAs
here and there, but he was still there, never missed
a mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And you know, I just thought it was a bad look.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's how I look. And to your point, everything in
New York's magnified, which is why it's a cautionary tale
if you do. I mean, if you go look at
the history of New York, the guys that succeed grow
with the city, Jeter Eli Manning, Aaron Jack. When you
bring in a star a Rod, I mean, that's a
prime example. It's it's harder because the expectations from day
(24:31):
one are through the roof.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Yeah, and well people don't realize you can't win games
in the offseason, but you can lose them because this
is ultimately where you gain your fundamentals.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
And later on in the year you rely on.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Fundamentals and high stress situations, that's what you're gonna naturally
fall on.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And so when you're a young receiver and you.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Haven't played with the quarterback, and then you're gonna go
into training camp and things are gonna be coming a
lot faster. You have the pads on, it's gonna be
tougher for that content annuity for that whole unit, and
also with the lineman. I mean, you know, when you're
a receiver during practice, those reps are so crucial because
say you get something, you run a out and you
(25:13):
catch the ball. The more important thing is after practice,
when you watch the film and you guys communicate on
what was good about that, what was wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And they're not going to have any of those reps.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
And I know it's just three days and he was
there for organized team activities, but you know there's not
a lot of practice time right now, and practice is crucial.
Practice execution becomes game reality.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's great. Also, never this is why I thought it
was a poor decision. Veteran offensive linemen do not take
snaps in the preseason anymore. So you're I mean September now,
Julian for veterans is a little bit like week three
of the exhibition season. Without a doubt, you're kind of
playing your way into the season.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
And what is Aaron Rodgers. What's one of his strengths
his cadence? You know how hard it is to get
a guy's cadence down on the you know, offensive line
when he's barking, screaming like I'm gonna be interested to
see these pre snap penalties early in the year because
Aaron relies on that cadence. He's one of the best
ever to do it. We used to call, you know,
one of the cadence's Green Bay because we get a
(26:18):
guy jump offside try to get a free play.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And Aaron's great at that.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
But that takes time to get guys on the right
page to understand his voice and his inflections. So you know,
I hope everything's good in his camp. I'm a huge
Aaron Rodgers fan, but it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
By the way, Brady, Speaking of timing and receivers, Tom
talked about on the interview, prioritizing getting your top wide
receiver the ball early in games.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
We would always try to script so that everybody would
feel like they were in the flow of the game.
The last thing you want is your number one receiver
to go two and a half quarters into a game
and not see a ball to get one targeter because
he's got to get discouraged. He's got to go out there,
he's got to break the huddle, he's got to run
out twenty five yards to his alignment. He's got to
run down the field as fast as he can try
to get open. He's got to run back to the huddle.
(27:08):
It's a lot of effort that he's putting into not
getting the ball. Now, get you when you can reward
that guy early in the game and faure, Okay, where's
he at? How do I get him the ball?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And let's talk about that. Was that really a focus?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
That was definitely a focus. You know, he kept on
talking about the rhythm of the game. When you get
into the beginning of the game. You know, everyone's got
nerves and everyone's got a little anxiety, and what cleans
up those nerves is a play.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know, you catch a ball, you get hit that
wakes you up. All right, now we're.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Ready to really get into the flow of the game.
And I remember times specifically after injuries or something with
like a gronk or a me, when you got into
that game it was like, we need to get me
the ball, or we need to get someone who's been
out for a while the ball early so you can
gain that confidence, you know, And and also it's rewarding
(27:55):
players in practice. You know, there could be guys that
are doing in saying reps, they're doing great things in practice,
and you try to get them the ball early just
to it's kind of like a reward factor as well.
But getting the ball to your priority receivers was something
that we always tried to do to get guys in
the flow of things, get guys confidence, going to let
guys know, hey, we're gonna keep it going here.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So you were recently at Patriots camp.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
What you see?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I saw a defense that was flying around. I saw
a lot of communication out of the defense. I saw
Jacoby Burssett looking confident, calling great play calling and communicating
plays very well. And that's what you really want to
see in in organized team activities. You want to see
execution operation like being able to get a play call
(28:44):
in with a coach out of the huddle and communicating
player to player, you know, running plays on you know,
not just first down, second down, third down, but being
having calling plays like it's a game.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
They were doing a lot of that. They were. It
was really cool to see the new kickoff rule and.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Then practicing that in the strategy of what people are
gonna be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's a pooch kick now.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh, it's a pooch kick.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
You're gonna see a lot of fireworks on this play
because you know the touchback goes out to a thirty,
so they're incentivizing and trying to keep the ball in play.
And then also you're gonna see body types start changing.
Guys that can shed blocks because they're only ten yards
or five yards apart.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know right there, you don't need the speed. You
need guys that can shed blocks and make tackle line.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
A lot of linebackers good in space type guys, and
just a strategy like are they gonna squib it?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Are they gonna pooch it?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Are they gonna have You know, I heard talks of
Kansas City having a safety back. They're kicking it off
because if they break that line, this is like a
pump return. Now you break that line, there's only one wave.
The old kickoff, you'd have the wedge, you'd have your
second wave, and then you have your your your safety wave.
Where so you had to get through three. You had
(30:00):
a track.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You'd find that track, you'd hit that track, and it
was like Nascar.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You see smoke. You just bite your lip and you
find the lane and go and you may get blown up.
You may not with a lot of waves. Now it's
like a punt return where everyone's on top of you.
You get vertical. You could make a one cut and
get vertical, and you could be housing and there's no safety.
So you know, it'll be interesting to see what they
do with these kickers. Maybe find some guy that's a
(30:24):
safety finding these rugby guys.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I don't need to have a great leg.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
You don't need to have a great leg, You just
need to be able to get that squib or in
that kick zone area.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So I was impressed. Drake May had some really good throws.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You know, you look a little rough. His footwork in
college was dicey. What did you see?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He had a pretty dial.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
The day I was there, I saw him make an
endline incut in traffic, which is a tough play in
the red area. So that's throwing an incut on the
back of the end zone with other guys, other defenders
making the proper read on hitting that incut, going to
his third read.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So that was like really cool to see.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
But you also can't take too much with OTAs because
everything's kind of scripted.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, he goes in we have our six plays
this period.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
You kind of know on this down and distance, the
defense is going to get that, give you this coverage.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
The mic call is going to be this.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So the communication was very good for what I saw,
but I didn't know how they were doing it behind
the scenes.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
They could have been prompting.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That eighteen games is coming. The Union now is aware
of it. They want a few more roster spots. I
get it. That'll get fifth sixty five sixty four more jobs.
I'm for that. I also think seventeen games didn't dilute
the product. It's just we like our football. I would
demand if I was a player, another bye week. That
(31:46):
feels realistic to me. Let's just stretch it out. Super
Bowls are mostly domes anyway, warmer weather, so it doesn't
bother me. If you were a player, that would be
two games added in a pretty short period of time.
Would it make September more experimental? How would you view
it as a player?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You know you can get into this, all right, the
beginning part of the season is gonna be like the preseason.
But if this is the National Football League, you can't
miss a game. You can't have a one game, three
game skit, or you're out of it. So you can
kind of kiss that out the window, kick that out
the window. What I really think the NFL, if they're
gonna go to this, which it's not making the game
(32:28):
safer when you have large human beings that can run fast,
that even if you change rules, are still trying to decaputate,
to capitate each other. It's not gonna be safe. They
better give us another two game checks. You know, I
don't like this pro rated. We're all right, we're just
gonna take your salary and we're gonna divide it by eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Now, like, let's let's give some more pot.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Let's give some more money to the pot for the fellas,
let the boys eat, and you know, then we could
talk turkey because it's gonna get there sooner or later.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
But you know, I'm not a big fan of it.
I thought it's a.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Grind to get through an NFL season. After week eight,
your your everybody hurt, Everyone is hurt, everyone's banged up.
It's one hundred percent injury rate in this sport. And
you can't go out and say you're trying to make
the game safeer even if you're changing rules by adding games.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know it's JJ Reddick got hired by the Lakers.
He's inexperienced, but a he's a former player and he's smart.
I'll go to your entire career. You know, you had
an older coach and experienced coach. But even as a
position coach, if a guy comes in without a ton experience,
but he's a bright guy, what what what does he
need for a guy like you, a veteran to buy in.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
He needs to have great information and he has needs
to have a presence in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Uh. You know, like.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
My last couple of years, we had Mick Lombardi. He
was our receiver coach, and I was like three years
older than him, and you know, like I'm sitting here
and what Nick or Nick did to get my respect
was he would feed me information. He'd take care of
the certain guys that needed to be taken care of.
(34:12):
But it was all about how he tapered the meeting.
Like what was giving me information that's gonna make me
better for this practice, for this game, for whatever we're
getting into. So how you communicate to the player and
the depth of the communication, the knowledge that you're giving
to him, that is huge to get the respect of
(34:33):
a guy.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Interesting, you say, like what kind of information that's fascinating?
Just like.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Being able to sum something up for the defense that
we're about to go up against. That you didn't know
that I didn't know, giving me like all right, well
you know, I'm gonna study this guy, this defensive back.
You know, he's gonna come up to me and say,
all right, watch his three offhand jams. He does that
with a staggered stance like these are the things you
should look like, those types of little nick bits. Information's key,
(35:01):
you know what I mean? And so if he could
give me that and he showed me, you know, and
also with me, I would if it was a younger guy,
like with Mick, I would get mad at him if
he showed like old clips of other guys.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I was sitting after the meeting, I'm like, hey, this
is my meeting room. I want to see.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I don't want to be watching Wes Welker and Rainy
Mont like we got examples of me doing this. Why
why are you know what I mean, confrontation but no information,
how he handles the room and always being prepared and
showing something that you haven't seen from that from a
coaching staff before, Like with with Mick. He would also,
(35:39):
you know, have these little funny things that he would
do after the meeting to try to get guys together.
He'd have a history point of of something that was
going on at that time of the the calendar year
to get guys engaged, you know. So everyone's got to
bring a little something. But for me, it was always
the information how he communicated to us.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Uh. Finally, the Tom Brady Patriots Hall of Fame, big event, huge,
it was what was it like to be that What
was your favorite moment?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Your favorite moment was really going into Foxborough into a
sold out stadium again, you know, I've been removed for
two years going on three and being with guys that
you competed with at a high level to celebrate the
flag carrier, you know, that was just a special moment.
There were so many guys that I haven't seen in
(36:30):
two to ten years, you know. I mean some of
the early Patriot guys that I played with, the Steve Neils,
the Matt Lights, the Logan Mankins.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I had everybody there, Huh, everybody was there?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I would say there had to be one hundred and
fifty two hundred plus fots. I mean, there was a lot,
a lot of guys that I haven't seen in so long,
and you know, to hear Tom, you know, listening and
watching Tom when he speaks, you know, and I've been
around him for so long, but he still inspires me,
you know what I mean, just because the one thing
(37:02):
about Tom Brady is everything he says he practices.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
He practices what he preaches.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Like so when you sit there and you say, Bro,
you're really gonna tell me not to eat a strawberry,
he really doesn't eat him and he really believes that.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Or if he tells you something, you know you gotta
do this.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
When he talked about working smarter in your interview, how
he became such an efficient preparer, like you always learned
something from him through his example, and just how of
a stand up guy he really is.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I I you know, he's a genuine dude.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
And it was so great to just get to hear
all the stories from other guys and really celebrate him.
And it was great to see Coach Belichick there once
again in the same room with him. You know, I
love I love those tension times when you see old
Bill and mister r KK and Tom, you know, it's
that's just that's just fun.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It was a fun night. It was great to see
everyone too, and it was sold out. The were going nuts.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh god, it was great.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I mean, it was a fun night. Good seeing man
always pleasure.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's got a podcast, Games with Names, a new episode
every Tuesday, when's Mind come out.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
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you know, you know how it's kind of there's low weeks.
We throw in coward in the low week. We're getting ratings.
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