3 & Out - Kevin Clark from Omaha Productions joins the podcast

John is joined by Kevin Clark from Omaha Productions to talk about his career from working at The Wall Street Journal to The Ringer to now where he currently is at with Omaha Productions.

Kevin shares stories about times that he has written or said something to upset a player, coach, or GM and what the backlash was, how he built up his network when he was just getting into the business, and shares his thoughts on if he think the written word is dead.

Later, the guys dive into the NFL and discuss some of the top storylines of the off-season.

7:22 - Kevin Clark Interview

11:37 - Upsetting players/coaches/GM's with things he's said

17:42 - Building a network when getting into the business

24:33 - Is the written word dead

32:39 - Diving into the NFL

46:53 - Trevor Lawrence

53:44 - Top NFL coaches

1:02:28 - New kick-off rule

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been everywhere from doing the Bulls and the Bears of
the Wall Street Journal to working for Bill Simmons now
at Omaha with Peyton and Eli and probably the biggest
Orlando Magic fan that I've ever encountered. And you know
my memories of the Magic. You know, when I was
a little kid, I had a pair of Magic shorts

(04:49):
because of Shack and Penny, and then Eldrick Tiger Woods
I think left Southern California. Well, I guess he was
at Stanford at the time and moved to Orlando, and
I remember him sitting courtside at and a lot of
games in the early two things.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, so we've got a lot of celebrities who worked
their way in like he and Polter was a big
Magic fan for a long time. I assume he still is.
Then we'd have like Durell Reeves when he was the
Bucks would come to a bunch of games, but he
wasn't a fan. He just wanted to watch games. It's
a little bit like you see this a little bit
like with Las Vegas Raider games, where it's like there'll
be someone in a suite and they just want to
see football. And so like Justin Berlander would drive over

(05:23):
from Lakeland when they're doing spring training. But Tiger was
the fan. And I remember this like it was yesterday.
Most Magic fans have forgiven him. When the Magic played
the Lakers in the finals, and Tiger was courtside all
the time, and it was like rooting for him and
had we would always take the you know, the pomp
pom type deal we had and knew the players. And

(05:45):
then he released a statement basically like I'm gonna be
neutral in the Lakers' Magic Finals. As you know, you
know you can. I will not because, like I hope
both teams do well. Sorry, Bud, you're done. You're done
to me, and they moved to Jupiter like a year later.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Here's a sneaky big Raider guy. It's probably been a rough, yeah,
a little stretch for him the last twenty plus years.
But you know, he's one of the rare, super famous
guys that really Probably in the seventies and eighties, you know,
a lot more famous guys were rocking that pretty rare
these days, you know, they have a guy of his
fame still rocking the silver and Black.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Not a ton of people opting into Raiders' life right now.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
No, I you know, I think I want to ask
you about a lot of stuff, but I want to
start with this because we'll talk about your story here
in a minute. You've got to know a lot of people.
You like this ultimate hybrid, right, You love golf and
you do stuff with golf. I know you're a big
f one guy, but you have ball is how I
really got to know you. You know a lot of

(06:44):
people in the NFL, and as your career has grown,
GMS coaches, how often do people get pissed off at things?
You tweet. I don't think you really write anymore. Maybe
an article.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I haven't written, which is funny because what's the
most mad someone has been that You're like, ugh, this
is this is I like this guy and I need
this guy in my life in my career.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
But this I got a massage.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
This thing I had, you know, one of the most
fruitful conversations ever. I've told the story before. A GM
called me in twenty sixteen and he was and I
had said their defense was horrible in September, and I
think he had spent a lot of money on this
defense and all this stuff. And he started screaming at me.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
A tweet or an article, oh I said on a pod,
said it on a pod, and it got back to him.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I guarantee you he was not listening to the pod.
Maybe a maybe a PR guy or something had told
or or got written up you know, goes he gets
written up now in the local kind of you know,
aggregator type deals. Anyway, he said it was horrible, and
he called me. He yelled at me for the first
thirty seconds and I said, listen, man, come on the pod,
like I don't want to go back and forth with you.

(07:55):
I've said my piece, you've said your piece, come on
the pod and we'll do this. And he's like, I'm
not going to do that, okay, and they said, but
you have to understand, and then he went into like
once he realized I wasn't gonna back down where he
was coming from, he went into teacher mode almost and
was like, thing you need to understand is the modern
training camp, modern rosters. A defense isn't isn't complete until November,

(08:16):
and so what you're seeing now these guys haven't gotten reps.
X y Z guy, big big linebacker was out for
training camp like that. There's no two ways. You just
can't be ready for September if you're a new defense.
And I thought that was really interesting, And so ever
since then, I've tried to if someone's really pissed at me,
I've tried to be like, all right, don't let's not
just yelling each other. We can do that, that's fine,

(08:37):
but I think the most important thing is getting to
a place where we understand each other. I had I've
had players get really pissed off of me, really really
pissed off of me. A lot of times it's because
they think I think I think a lot of times
people are shocked by seeing their own words right back
to them, if that makes sense, Like I nothing is

(08:59):
ever an act like when something like I remember Josh
Norman was really mad at me and thought that he'd
been taking out of context in something. Well, unfortunately, Josh,
for your argument. The way I write these pieces, they're
basically like borderline Q and A. So like I'm writing
running chunks of quotes and I don't touch a word.

(09:21):
And that's That's always one of those things whenever you're
dealing with like a Rogers or a Josh Norman Runny
of these guys like they if you get one word wrong,
you're gonna get killed and you're gonna lose credibility. And
so we go with this fine too, com We had
research up, the fact checkers listen to it all and
so it was all nailed, like it was completely rock
solid quotes. It was that Josh didn't like the way
the quotes were being perceived. And I think you get

(09:43):
that more than anything, which is guys are talking and
they get I think guys get comfortable with me frankly
because I just I'm I'm I'm a pretty children nice
guy you know, and yeah, a nice guy, And like
I also tell them up front, like, hey, this is
how it's, this is what we're doing. I'm never trying
to trick anybody, because I think you get better quotes

(10:03):
by just establishing what exactly is I'm looking for as
far as what the piece is going to be. And
so a lot of times it's that I've had more
i've had.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Typically, if a.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Team is mad at me, it's a PR guy and
the coach doesn't even know. GMS know. But I don't
really I don't really go at. There's maybe one or
two guys who have really gone at, who've gotten really
mad at me, and they've asked for my number from
other insiders and have texted me. We've had it out.
But I think I try to be really fair and

(10:36):
and I'm not going to say I'll give you a
great example, like I don't know Trump, Balcat talked to
him twice in my life. I don't think he's very
good gem. I don't think Jaguars. I don't think the
Jaguars project is going to work very well as long
as he's there. But if he called me, I wouldn't say, hey,
trying I think you're a clown. I wouldn't say that.

(10:57):
I don't think he's a clown. But here's what it's
I'd say, X y Z. You haven't done this with
the roster you have, and this with the roster Triffor's
getting banged up. Should know, like Cavin Ridley walk like
that kind of thing where you just coming from evidence based.
As long as you always I was saying this the
other day about going on TV and giving all these takes.
As long as you remain consistent, you never have to

(11:17):
worry about what you've said because you always it comes
from evidence based and so you're you feel fine all
the time. So the guys that get mad at me,
I usually leave it in a pretty good place with
them after they get mad at me, because I'm not
just saying stuff just just for the sake of saying it.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think it's crazy that coaches or gms like I
get a player being in his mid twenties. It's emotional.
I totally understand that them they're a roller coaster, but
I think where you hit on like coaches during the
season are just constantly getting ready for the game, practice tape.
Gams do just have more time and they read more

(11:52):
and they're just they're just a little more in the loops,
some more than others. But like Hayie Roseman knows what's
going on because you consume who the content like he
and a lot of these guys are actually much closer
to me or you or just even a fan, like
they love football, but like they have just more time
throughout the day.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know. Here's the other thing I don't think. I
think in basketball and baseball there's more of a BS
travel culture where X manage fifty five year old manager,
X sees fifty five year old manager why they haven't
seen each other in a couple months. They sit there
and a BS not a lot of the coaching trees
know each other in the NFL, But other than that,

(12:32):
guys don't really know each other, and so reporters become
weird conduits between people, weird connectors, and like they want
to know what's these gms and coaches want to know
what's going on as much as anybody like I'll give
you an example at the training camp tour last year.
I don't know Sean Payton that well, always been on
my show twice, but I had a coach who had
no connection to Champayte, no connection to Parcels, any of
those guys just be like, hey, what's going Can you

(12:54):
make some call? What's going on with Sean Payte? Like
was he off the record and got burned? Like the
Nate Hacket quotes? And I was like, I don't know.
I can try to find out for you, but like
those guys don't know who to ask. They don't know anybody.
They don't know Sean Payton. And I think in the
other sports, because those guys sit there at each other's
offices for ninety minutes. They sit there and the stands
for ninety minutes, and bs everybody see each other all
the time. You're all business in football and you're not

(13:16):
gonna sit there. You don't even see guys for years
a time because the schedule goes. But you're also like
Tom Brady, like never play in San Francisco or something
like that. That kind of stuff just happens.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
First time, the first time two years ago, I.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Think, yeah, and never with the Patriots and pretty beat them.
Yeah yeah, and there you go. And but I think
it's just a so totally different culture where I always
think it's funny and you probably laugh too, where you'll
see people on Twitter being like, oh, sell and so
sources is the water boy. It's like, no, man, the

(13:51):
sources are are the high, high, high level guys in
these organizations because they love talking football and gossiping as
as much as anybody.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
When you start at the Wall Street Journal and then
doing the Ringer, I know you went through a lot
of training camps. Like for me, I got lucky. I
worked for the Eagles and we had like seven head
coaches and a bunch of guys that went on. So
I naturally got to meet a lot of guys, and
then organically, I guess I kind of met some through
the podcast that listen to the show. I get asked
all the time people that want advice on how to

(14:21):
get in, Like when you start your career, I can't
imagine you don't know that many people in the NFL
and at this point, like how do you go about
I've always hated the word networking because it just feels
so hollow, But like getting to know guys just impromptu.
Is it just training camps combined? Is it just people
reach out to you from reading or listening to your stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So we had an editor at the Wall Street journal
named Sam Walker, who is now doing some work for
the Rams. Actually, if you read Jordan Rodrieg's latest in
Bed thing, he's doing some stuff there and he's done
work with the Bears a little bit and stuff like that.
He's not a football guy, but he's like a leadership
type guy. But anyway, when I joined the Wall Street

(15:04):
Journalist was Lord thirteen years ago. He said to me,
we're not going to get the access of the New
York Times. So at that point was our main competitor.
We're not gonna get the access of ESPN. You were
not allowed to complain about access. You do your job.
You come back with the story no matter what. And
if you're in Green Bay and everybody's surrounding Aaron Rodgers,

(15:26):
you have to go talk to four Alignment and get
the best Aaron Rodgers story possible without twenty minutes with
Aaron Rodgers. And I thought that was just gonna be forever.
But what ended up happening is the next time you
come to Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers goes, oh that story.
You know, let's talk because I read that story and

(15:48):
that happened in a bunch of different places, you know,
you're nibbling around the edges, like Tom Brady's not gonna
give me thirty minutes I met. I didn't. I want
to get this right. I don't think I met though
I was on the NFL beat. I don't think I
met Peyton Manning until until I worked more, until until

(16:08):
that process started. And so but what you do is
you nibble around the From a storytelling perspective, Peyton Manning
is what is thirty, mid thirties. He's already in the
Broncos by the time I start covering the league. Yeah,
he's got he knows everybody in the media. I'm not
going to go to Denver and just DeCamp there until
I know Pate Manning. And so you end up just
doing the story anyway. And then those guys, and this

(16:31):
is more about like Rogers and that generation of quarterbacks.
Those guys will come to you, the coaches will come
to you, and they'll say, hey, I didn't like the way.
I'll just be very blunt here. I wrote a piece
is actually the Ringer about an NFL person, and the
ownership called me the next day from a different team

(16:52):
and said, I don't like that. That guy's getting flowers
I'm setting you up with my guy, and like, it's
just kind of funny how it all that stuff, And
you got to be adaptable, and you got to be
and I got like thirty minutes with that guy later
that day, and but you have to be adaptable. You
have to be like ready to take the opportunities. You
have no questions to ask, Like there are a lot

(17:13):
of times you have to do interviews on five minutes
notice and all that stuff. But I don't think there's
a couple of guys. I think Ryan Gregson was all
mad at me for a while.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Welcome to the club, buddy.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
This is some of the stuff I said about building
around Andrew Luck, which I don't know. I'd love to
have a conversation with him about that on the record,
But anyway, I just think that you Frank Casola, who
is on PTI and Around the Horn and was with
the New Joys for a long time, we were lapped
on the next beat when I first started the Walls

(17:45):
Journal because they had a New York section and I
covered the Next for a year and a half. And
Frank said something to me that is one hundred percent correct,
and this is like the number one advice I would
be young journalists. The only thing that truly matters is time.
Like time, time is judge of everything. But more than anything,
no one's going to return your call in year one.
It's not gonna happen. And I think everybody's got these

(18:06):
fantasies of oh, of course the agent for Crimelo Anthony's
gonna call me back and tell me what's going on.
No it's not. But in year three you get the
assistant coach. In your four, you get you know, the
head coach. In year five you get the GM. In
the year six you get the owner that's working a beat.
I think working a beat is a lost a lost
art in this country. Nobody does it anymore, and so

(18:27):
there's a less I think, frankly, when we're talking about
pot schats earlier, I think, frankly, national reporters are far
too eager to take pot shots because they still understand
the inner workings of a team. They didn't spend six
or seven years on a beat, whereas you see the
older generation who do. And I know, I think there's
probably like a people hear this is like I get

(18:48):
off my lawn kind of thing. It is incredibly valuable
to go to work at an NFL facility for five
years incredibly as a journalist and just seeing people and
seeing how they interact, understanding what's a big deal and
what's not. I remember saying this a couple of months
ago to Roussillo about the distractions, and you were on
the end side of a building and you can probably

(19:08):
talk to this. I always sort of don't entertain the
concept of distractions because the stuff that is a distraction
that never gets out on winning teams would blow your mind.
And I had people call me after I was on
Ristillo and we're like, dude, you wouldn't believe, like how
many superstars we had almost get arrested, or how many

(19:28):
superstars we had to you know, Oh, this guy is
you know, actually two hours away, you know, at eight
pm the night before the game, and we have to
you know, we have the test, send security to get them.
And I think you understand what's a big deal and
what's not and what what will break a team and
what will I think the biggest thing. Before I started
covering a team, I always thought that it was really

(19:51):
easy for a coach to lose locker room. You know,
we lost three in a row I don't got when
you're in locker room every day, you realize it's most
of these guys are just going to work, trying to
put stuff on tape and trying to feed their families.
That's it, and I think that's I think being on
a beat is the most important thing as far as
just just understanding who these guys are. And I think
it's a lost start.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well like if if you're a fan, obviously, like it's
use Adam for example, he knows everybody, you know, every GM,
every coach, his information. But I also think like having
been in the Bay Area for a long time, like
I put Mayoko and Matt Barrels against it, like their
knowledge and they're like knowing of the owner the GM,
like they're they're Anthony Slater who covers the Warriors, like

(20:35):
that when they say when they write something like they're
not just they know what they're talking about and a
little inside baseball here. But you know, you consider yourself
a journalist, I definitely do not the written word, you know,
Isn't it kind of crazy that in a weird way
it's dead for a certain generation. You could argue under

(20:56):
forty like I wanted to get ready I mean, I
listen to you so much, but like I just typed
you into YouTube and watch something you do with Chris Longs,
Like I wonder what he's hot on. I don't know
when that. I think the interview was in the last
month and it's just ten years ago or whatever in
this spot and I'm sure you've done this as well.
You would have to read a bunch of articles. What's

(21:18):
he written lately? What's he talking about? I would never
do that anymore for the most part. If you were
having a coach, if you're getting ready for a coach,
how would you get ready? You'd watch some press conferences.
You know, you you just consume. And I just wonder,
do you think the written word is dead?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's it's dead as the primary thing you're gonna do
from your in your career. If you want to have
a modern career, if you want to write about football
and tell five thousand word stories and do it in
a magazine, there's not that many jobs and you're not
gonna make that much money.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Well, because the consumer doesn't want that. That's who they
doesn't want. The only thing they'll want is really niche
sub stacks with they'll pay for excuse me. They want,
they want, they want.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Listen, the customer is always right on the internet, like
there is a reason we're always writing with the Cowboys
and stuff like they want like Dak Prescott contract updates.
That's what they want, Okay, But what they're gonna pay
for is information. You have to have sports business journal
being great example. You know, everybody works in sports, are
around sports is gonna pay any amount of money because

(22:30):
they have to have it. That's why you've seen more
sports business publications pop up in the last few years.
Same thing with the fantasy stuff, where it's like these
guys who charge for guides are making money hand over fist.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
What it's hard to charge for.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Is, hey, I think the Cowboys won the Super Bowl.
Here's ten reasons why I'd have to find an advertiser
if I was going to do a website like that,
and I'd have to have such a huge name that
they couldn't turn me down, and I have to put
so much work into it that it doesn't really it
probably doesn't pencil out. And so that's the reality of it.
And it breaks my heart because it's much everything in

(23:12):
the world to do writing a column off a big
game is awesome, and I will do it again. It's
just more of like it is. The incentives for me
at this very moment just aren't there doing a lot
of TV doing obviously the Omaha stuff, doing a couple
other things, golf broadcasts, and so I'm locked into that.
I am a little it feels little surerrow right now,

(23:36):
but I don't. I just think that everything changed very
very quickly, and I view it. People say to me, now,
if you were talking to a college class, would you say,
go into journalism? Well, people were saying don't go into
journalism when I was in college. I graduated in twenty ten,
And I think you just have to know it's a

(23:58):
really hard road, but you're gonna learn skills that can
go anywhere and you can go do a bunch of
different stuff. And like, as long as you're a good storyteller.
The thing I think is really cool, Jean, is that,
like in twenty twenty four, I can match the story
to the medium. So like I'm making this out, but
like let's say I wanted to do you know where

(24:20):
I went wrong for Russell Wilson, Right, all right? That
could be a print piece. It could also be Russ
and I sit down for three episodes of a podcast,
and he's bluntly honest. It could be a digital video
where I've got plays and I just say, this is
he stopped using his footwork right here, He's not as
much as an athlete. He didn't use the middle of the field.
It can be anything. You can tell that story in
so many different ways. So you mentioned like popping on YouTube.

(24:41):
I do all sorts of different stuff on YouTube. I
can do hardcore football talk. I do funny stuff, you know,
with well this is football with the Tuesday episodes with
these guys are just telling really funny stories. So I
just think that you can be a writer first, but
you can't only be a writer, and you've got to
take those skills and and make them diverse. Frankly.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean, I get asked constantly, and I'm sure you
do too from young people that like, how do I
get in sports? How do I get in sports? And
my past different from your path? And I went to
a much smaller college at cal Pauly, and that that
was an easy way for me to get involved in football.
You went to a much bigger school, the University of Miami,
which I would say in your profession when you got

(25:33):
to the Wall Street Journal is not probably. I mean
a lot of guys are going to the University of Miami,
right Northwestern Syracuse like other SI leagues.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I believe when I was hired with six other people
for the Wall Street Journal Sports expansion, I believe that
of all the staff writers, I was the only one
who did not have at least one IVY league degree.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Did you know going to college what you wanted to
do or did you develop that in college?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah? No, I knew I want to do something I
want to I mean, like when you're a kid, you
just want to be a sports center anchor, right, you
just want to be Keith Oberman, Dan Patrick.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Did you have a high school newspaper?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I wrote for it. Yeah. My parents were journalists, my
aunt and uncle, my grandfather was a writer, very busy.
My wife, my wife is yes, but I did not
know that in college. But yes, she worked with a
Wallster Journal. She is unbelievable, some one of the best
reporters in America. She covers CEOs. But I just realized,
especially to my parents, like it's a fun job, man,

(26:32):
It's a fun job. And like even if you're blogging
and it sucks, and and you're not making as much money.
Guess what, man, some of your friends are our tending bar.
Some of your friends are grinding and they're doing manual labor,
and you get to sit there and figure out if
Baker Mayfield can take the leap. And it's just such
a fulfilling And obviously, listen, I'd love to be a bartender.

(26:53):
If the music ever stops here, I'm going to right
back to bar. I'm never bartender, but I'm going right
back to a bar and just you know, putting it
out location. But it's just we get to do for
fun we could do for work. What everything we'll do
for fun, Like weld say in Miami, whenever we go
put Notre Dame or something, we'd say, we live where
you vacation. That's what we do. That's what you and
I do. We live where you vacation. We every day

(27:16):
wake up and say what are we going to do
about the support of football, which I think most people
would die for. And that's why I think even if
you say, all right, it's not the industry it once was, well,
it's still really fulfilling in a way that I think
it really really matters. And I've always had that North start,
so from the time I was like fifteen, I knew
exactly what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's cool, Okay, let's start talking a little football, Yes, sir,
you know one thing I was thinking is obviously the
rary moment it was awful. But you had a moment
last year and I rewatched the highlight of Mario Crystoball
giving the thumbs up on a run that led to
a fumble that two plays later the guy is running

(27:55):
into the end zone three point lead, where all you
had to do was kneel the ball. Is there any
difference of those two moments. Obviously there's more in the
line with Rory, but is that one of the worst
moments in the history of one of the most famous
programs in college football history.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It was not good. A couple of things on it.
I've always thought, I didn't know why I did it.
He's done it before he did it, And yeah, don
Chaney was down first of all, his elbows down, but
that that's that's no excuse. Just need the ball. Somebody
was the next day, I think on TV said to
me that was a fireball offense. And I said, let

(28:34):
me tell you what Mario Crista Ball is going to do.
Mario Crystal Ball is going to get such good players
that he's never gonna have to be in a kneel
down situation against Georgia Tech ever again with the one
score game. Okay, Like that's that's that's why you hire
Mario Crysta Ball. It's not it's not game management. He's Belichick,
he's not Irvan Meyer. He's none of those guys. Okay,
he's he understands how to recruit and develop talent, and

(28:58):
he gets really big guys and he turns them into
NFL guys and big humans. When I say big guys,
I mean big humans in terns of in the NFL guys.
That's what it is. I was flustered at that whole thing,
and I think there's some He was asked about whether
or not he was trying to get Don Cheney one
hundred yards, et cetera, et cetera. I thought it was
just a brain fart, and I don't. I still really

(29:21):
believe in the director of that program, just because you
know this, like, if you've got a credible coach in
a place where there are players, you will win and
that's Florida, Florida State, Miami, LSU, Alabama, USC. If that
ever gets off the ground in a meaningful way, if
you can go in there and recruit your tail off,
you will win. And so I'm still bullish on them.

(29:45):
I just don't know. I hope it's I hope it's
this year. The kneeling thing. You want to mention the
Rory thing, I actually thought it was more like a
like a Gary Anderson kick. I also loved with the
Rory thing. He had made the season four hundred and
sixty sixty eight at a four hundred and sixty eight
three foot putts this year and he missed that one
on sixteen. I think the eighteen one was a little

(30:09):
longer than that. But like that was just like a
chip shot, so people were comparing it to the Vikings
Seahawks chip shot. Remember a couple of years ago and
Blair Walsh player WATSH when they were playing at the
Eurosity of Minnesota, and he just for whatever reason just
sent it into nowhere, like you have to make the putt.
And I saw rom today was like, it's a much

(30:29):
harder putt then it looks well, then make it on
sixteen when it was a gimme. I think we're I
think we're putting way too much effort into relitigating eighteen
and that putt rather than just understanding. And this is
the whole thing, right like England was. In Jimmy Johnson's book,
he talks about how John Gruden always us to talk
about the catch in San Francisco, and he'd say, everybody

(30:52):
talks about the catch. Everybody talks that, nobody talks about
San Fransco's fourth quarter pass rush because if it wasn't
for the San Francsco's fourth quarter pass rush, there is
no catch. And I think you always look at those
sort of things, and it's like with Rory, it was
you could tell just a little mistake after a little mistake,
and Bryce was doing the same thing. He got up
and down in eighteen and so it was a really
funny thing just to see how that all interconnected, very

(31:14):
football asque you could argue.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
And I was thinking about this the last couple of days,
watching Mahomes or Josh Allen throw for six touchdowns or
Steph Curry going for fifty. It's a remarkable thing to
what witness an absolute choke job or just a disastrous
moment in sports is probably the most captivating TV twenty
eight to three, Russell Wilson's interception, you know, the Miami moment.

(31:39):
You could argue that is by far Rory's miss Pott,
you know, John Vander. There's nothing more riveting than just
unimplote the Warriors three to one, then implosion in sports,
cause it's it's the ultimate reality TV, and you're like,
this cannot be happening, this cannot be happening, and then
it does well.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think golf is a different deal because very rarely
the NBA players get the same exact look that a
guy in a LA Fitness run would get. Maybe if
he literally has a wide open layup, you just have
to put it on the backboard. You're good. Like even
the Patrick Ewing missed layup. We're not making that, Like
we're not going through traffic. You know that, we're not

(32:20):
doing that. And so with golf, it's so different because
you and I know how it feels, we know how
it feels. And like I actually thought the other day
that I was playing this really nice course on Long
Island a couple of years ago, and I was just
you know, bars and birdies, pars and birdies in the
back nine needed to come up strong on the on
eighteen and I just topped it, topped it, and I

(32:42):
literally had to remove myself from the whole lost the match.
And like, we know what that feels like. And so
when we see someone like Rory over a four foot
putt that you and I make and he can't make it,
we know it's mental. We know it's mental. And that's
the funniest thing. It's not mechanics. Like even like I
remember when Jake Knapp was winning his first tournament a

(33:02):
couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh, I bet on it, I won, there you go.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
But like he starts off on Sunday and he can't
find the fairway and it was so obvious that he
wasn't using his lower body at all. It was all hands.
He was not doing what you and I do. And
it's just funny to process that in golf and be like, oh,
I know what he's doing, whereas in every other in football,
I don't know. Mahomes drifting too far to his right,

(33:26):
What the hell is that man? You know, Like it's
just so different. Golf is the relatable sport. I'd say
probably maybe tennis too, but you're just it's a different
It's just a completely different gravity there. So I just
golf is a different. Watching someone choking golf is so
painful because we've been there. No one is clutching golf.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah. And in football I talked to Jeff Schwartz about this,
Like in the Miami situation, most people are not blaming
the running back. Like fumbles happen, sometimes you blame the coach, right,
think Seattle Pete, what are we doing calling a pass
play twenty eight to three? Kyle run the ball? Which
is a little unfair. I mean, the head coach could

(34:05):
have easily told him, Uh, you know, we just in football,
think about the Ravens, who they never were in the lead,
but they were the heavy favorite going in that game.
It's like, what are you guys doing? Todd Munkin got
more of the heat than Lamar that. That's what's crazy
about the sport, which to me makes football so interesting,
is it's not just the players that are the main characters.

(34:26):
The coaches and the coordinators. You could argue in the
television show that is the sport are a huge play
a huge role. Are main characters?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Great great point Todd Monkin. Have you seen the stat
about the NFT title game with light boxes? Have you
seen it? No?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I have not. I don't even want you've never heard
a game. I can't believe he didn't run the ball.
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
If you've never heard it, it's gonna stop being the track.
So the Ravens ran thirty eight plays against light boxes
in the ANFT Title against just late light boxes, thirty
eight place. How many of those thirty eight did they
drop back to pass? Well?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
It had? I looked at the box score the other day.
Lamar only had eight runs and I would imagine three
or four of those were on scramble, so eighty percent
of them.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, No, thirty seven thirty seven of thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So basically ninety seven percent or something.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Ninety seven percent. He had one, well, Carrie where they
were like, we're gonna, hey, there's a light boxer, been
to take advantage of that. And that to me is
almost like the Roary thing, where it's like Todd Monkin
got in his head and he couldn't get out of
his head. And I think that, and I think he's
gonna do better from that, because I just don't think
you can do any worse. You're gonna understand that can
just be a Lamar passing master class. It can't be

(35:42):
a running master class. It has to be a combination
of both and finding that balance. Talking to Lamar like,
I had Steve Young on my show a couple of
months ago, and he said, you know, if everybody took
a step back, and I know it was disappointed, but
if everybody stepped took a step back. And so last
year is a transition season for Lamar, one in which
he won the MVP made title game. You framed like that,
it's a lot better because he was learning a new offense.

(36:03):
He was learning a new style of play in some cases.
And so I think, I don't look at I'm somewhere
in the middle. I'm not just on team Steve Young there.
But I do think that there's room to grow here.
We can't just say, oh, Tom Munkin's always going to
be like this. No, you learn, you learn what to
do when you're playing the Chiefs this time next year,
the Bengals or the Bills or any of these teams.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I don't disagree, like in theory, like any like Patrick
Mahomes is a much better player now than he was
four or five years ago when his stats were insane.
But you only get so many moments, whether it's sports
or in life, where you've got to take advantage of.
They had the better team, they had so much momentum
coming in. They're at home and you have this great

(36:45):
most I knew a guy in the Raven staff. They
literally called the defensive coordinator boy genius. He's now gone.
The defense was rolling. They played well in that game
beside a couple drives, and you just don't get those
moments back. It's like the diners, who knows. I hope
they get back to the super Bowl, but they might not.
And they had two opportunities where they were they had
chances to win both games, and it might not come

(37:07):
around for a long time. So that's the hard part
about football, especially with you know, it's this isn't college
football the parody, the randomness. Sometimes maybe you have a
year where two balls bounce the other way. It's the
difference between eleven wins and nine wins and you miss
the playoffs or something.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, and also the way I mean football changes beneath
your feet so quickly. Man, you know this, but I
mean the idea the Carson the Eagles did want to
get a Carson Wentz's contract as quickly as they did,
astounding would have been astounding when you if you heard
of the day he was signed. Yeah, even like Jared
Goff right, like, I mean this stuff it just changed.

(37:42):
Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, I mean Aaron Rodgers, who knows.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
But it's like I think that he's currently high in
an international waters He's good, he doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But it's like in boxing, they say the punch you
don't see coming is the one that knocks you out. Like,
you know, it's not about for the Ravens. It's not
about Hey, the Bills are coming, the Bengals are coming,
the Chiefs are coming. We know all that. It's also
who's going to get to the Ravens level this year?
Is it the Texans? Is it? You know? I'm like,
we just don't know, or is it the Colts? Ananthey

(38:15):
Richardson is going to ball out and just raise that
ceiling and all of a sudden, the Colts are just
as good as a team like that. I mean, like
that's it's it's it's just completely it's just even more
so than we give a credit for. It's a year
to year league and you have to take advantage of those.
I just think that with Lamar, I just don't think

(38:36):
this is a short term thing. I think he's going
to be good like this for four or five years
at least.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I heard you talking to Chris about Jerry Jones and
is all in common? And he got me, Yeah, Jerry's
kind of like a podcaster, Like if you held me
to something I said a month ago, it's like I'm
talking every day for an hour plus. I'm just sometimes
you're just rifting that. Jerry's like the owner version of
a podcaster, Like if you hold him to everything he says,
you'd be able to crush him all the time, which

(39:00):
he does. But I what are he's saying?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
All in?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
He's happy, he's fired up, like he's all in. I
obviously that was misconstrued in the sense of like he
was gonna buy. He's just talking about like we're all in,
we'll pay our guys. And I think it happens Jerry
a lot, and it would happen to every owner if
they literally talked all the time like Jerry. Jeffrey Leurry
talks twice a year. Jed York talks twice year. They
never Mark Davis never talks because there's really no point

(39:27):
to do it. But Jerry's a podcaster. He loves to talk.
He just happens to be worth billions of dollars and
owns the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Joey Epstein, who covered the Cowboys for On Time, sercyah
who now, she said the day he did that, he
did like four separate press conferences, and she said the doodle,
the doodle page that we all U memed and stuff
like that. She said, there were four pages of doodles.
That's how long he was talking. Duo is I'm done
with this doodle? Next doodle, next doodle? Like he just

(39:55):
sits there. He's obviously not, you know, forty five years
old anymore. He's I think a lot of times he's
just kind of saying whatever. And I think that what's
funny is because of the way the team is covered,
and the team has to be covered because it's just
so popular and they're just such a boost to our industry,
you have to you have to talk about Jerry Jones's comments.

(40:16):
You have to. If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd
be very pissed off about that, just the idea of
like how often his comments are used against him when
he's just saying whatever. These guys just say, you can
get them. There are guys in the locker rooms. You
can get guys. There are certain guys that are really
funny in characters and if you're doing like an off

(40:37):
the wall story, you can kind of get them to
say whatever. You know, you know these characters right where
it's like like I think Paranom mc fee was like
this a little bit where you'd be like, hey man, like, uh,
I'll give you a great example, right, like like Justin
Hurber cuts his hair and you walk. It's a goofy
story like that. You know the guys to go to
who are just gonna just say whatever you want them

(40:57):
to say about Justin Herbert's hair. Oh, he's gonna you know,
he's gonna throw thirty interceptions this year. Whatever, you know,
pull wards in your mouth if you asked the question
and they just go along with it, right, And it's
obviously these are all joking situations. You would never do
this to it on a serious football topic. But with
Jerry you can kind of like you just listen to
him enough and he'll say whatever. He'll say, like you

(41:19):
can get him to say. I think Jory was giving
the example like something about how they can win with
Cooper Rush or something like that, he win a bunch
against Cooper Rush, and they said, like five seconds later,
said he couldn't win a bunch of agains with Cooper Rush.
Like just wait it out and you get any quote
you want. That's that's the Jerry thing to me, is
just like giving him unless he's still sharp, still runs
the team, all that stuff, but like he just kind

(41:41):
of when you're available all the time in random place
in the facility, you're gonna say a lot of stuff
and you take one thing out of context. I actually
think that's really unfair. But I also don't think Jerry mitts.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Okay, Trevor Lawrence, you know you you know a lot
of GM's contract negotiators, and the rule of thumb always says, well,
the price only goes up. Well if you look at
it like a stock, Yeah, some stocks go up, but
when there are when they've had a bad year, you
buy them for cheaper, and if you are uncomfortable, you
just kind of let it sit and see what happens.

(42:12):
You don't have to put your money there for them
coming off that season to approach it almost like, well,
we think he can grow a lot, Why wouldn't they
play it out another year when you're talking about this
type money. And I know I was at the combine
bs and with Doug. Obviously they really liked the guy.
But I don't quite understand the rush at that price

(42:34):
to do it after year three.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Complete the agreement. And I also don't think there's some
generous metrics where like he had the most like EPA
with something taken away by drop passes last year or whatever.
He's been failed all by the sporting cast, but.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
No one thinks he sucks.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I mean, it's just I want to see a proof
of concept. He's never hit the highs of the CJ
strial last year, never hit the highs of even a
Jordan love when you look at the second half of
the season last year. I talk about from an eye test, like,
I'm sure there's been games where he's you know, a
six game stretch where it looks great. I just haven't
necessarily seen that. I would have waited. I only there's
a huge risk that you're gonna end up cowboys in

(43:14):
yourself where you know he all of a sudden is
worth so much money. I mean, it's really let's say
you give him so much money that let's say he
has an unbelievable year, he's only gonna make five million
dollars more like that.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Why wouldn't you take a deep breath and be like, Okay,
thirty five touchdowns, he's not gonna he's not.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Gonna leave, and buh, he's just franchise staged all that stuff.
But then b like, it's just the downside is not
that significant. It just really isn't And so I would
have waited an extra year and and just just seeing
what it looked like with it improved, more veterans on
the roster, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I don't know where you stand on the all the
different party takes that have flown over the years. But he,
I mean, his people have to be looking at that number.
That had to be pretty jarring for the Niners. I mean,
I think they were probably hoping they get back to
there and they give him that contract. And now he
because he's been objectively better than Trevor Lawrence without a doubt,
and if he wins a couple more playoff games, I mean,

(44:13):
are we talking about two hundred and twenty five million
dollars guaranteed for the young mister irrelevant?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Here's my question about that. So I've always said this.
I said this about Tua too. I say, you get
Kyle and Mike Padaniel in separate rooms with their GM
and he say, you turn off the turn off the sound,
sound recording devices, and you just tell them truthfully, honestly,

(44:39):
how many guys can you do this with? Do we
need to do we have to pay this guy fifty
five million dollars or does it make more sense to
go get veteran X or draft pick y or draft
three quarterbacks and see what happens? And I'm not saying
the answer is going to be like it sounds like
might be a who loves to it and really believes
in him. It sounds like Kyle shanm the same thing.

(45:01):
I would just go through that process and say, hey,
before we start talking fifty to sixty million dollars with
our quarterback, let's find out what the play caller who
was helping him quite a bit thinks about it. All.
That's I would just ask that question and I go
from there.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Well, it's never happened right right with a young guy
you've drafted that you've had some success with. So do
you think it ever will?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
No? I mean, like you think about it, barn I
remember Barnwell wrote a column they should do it. Maybe
they did with Jared Goff and Kevin Demoff at Sloan
was joking about that and just being like, man, Barnwell
is really trying to get us to do it with
Jared Goff. And guess what, not only do they sign
Jared Goff, they made a Super Bowl and more important,

(45:47):
you know, they made a Super before that, but more importantly,
they traded him and got an asset for Like, they
don't win the Super Bowl if they don't resign Jared Goff,
they were able to make something of that contract. Is
someone ever going to walk away from quarterback? I mean
it might happen with the Cowboys, just in the sense
that they probably aren't anticipating the market Dak would have
this time next year, and if he actually reaches free agency,

(46:09):
they're gonna be get caught flat footed because there's gonna
be a bunch of teams who say, hey, you know
we're we're gonna give Jeremy Fowler and I did a
show this morning, and he thinks Dak is going to
command around sixty. Brother, I think that's low. I don't
think a true free agent is gonna move the market
five million dollars. I think he's gonna move the market
fifteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
The only bet what Cousins did back, you know, years ago.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
One hundred. The only saving grace is twofold one is
that a lot of the desperate teams have not have
have solved their quarterback problem, and and so maybe they
don't want to go out and give Dak Prescott what
two hundred and eighty million dollars for four years whatever
whatever napkin math I'm talking about right now. That's one thing.

(46:55):
And the other thing is heye to say it, but
a lamar situation where owners just kind of agree not
to change the structure of how they pay players. And
there's a word for that.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
One question I get asked a lot in the mailbag
is how many quarterback There was just a hypothetical every
players a free agent and you were in the draft order.
One guy said, I think twenty quarterbacks would go, And
then I started thinking about it. My number was probably
closer to ten to twelve before you know Nick Bosa
or Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Oh yeah, I mean the better, the better question Tomain
has always been, where would you ta Kyle Shanahan or
Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Well, you would take you would take those guys. I mean,
are we sure of Mike McDaniel. I know you like
the guy. I'm not saying, I'm not saying as a as.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
A quarterback accentuator. Yes, I am sure.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Would you put Mike over Lafloor after last year? Pretty
big year from all Maddie and Lafloor?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think there. I think they're one A
one B and that not sorry, not one A one B.
But I think they're pretty much tied at this point.
They got it. They both have to. Someone wins the
Super Bowl and they'll they'll break the tipe for me.
They're both really good.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Okay that that, let's do that. You put the Shaman
crew in this hypothetical draft. Obviously the you know Mahomes,
Allen's Lamar's Herbert Caleb Williams. We all know, you know.
So let's just pick the number ten eleven Niche those
guys are going over to uh Jared Goff like, are
you taking Kyle Shannan over Jared Goff?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
You probably are, without a doubt, Sean mcvagh. I've seen
Jared Goff without a great play caller.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
So are you talking Dak Cousins golf? All these guys,
those guys are going You would take those guys over
like Max Crosby, Right.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, yes, probably I'd take Dak. I'd pay Dak over
Max Crosby Cousins at this day.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
But you would take Kyle or McVeigh over both, right.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh, without a doubt, without it, doubt with with Dak
and Cousins, Yes, definitely.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Would you ta Kyle and McVeigh over Kleb Williams? Wait?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Would you have Williams trying to find a coach like
be in the bear situation?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Or rather just have Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So this is a little unfair because we haven't seen
him at the NFL level. If you're asking me if
I would have traded the first overall pick that became
Caleb Williams for Kyle Shanahan, that's really tough. That's really tough.
I'm gonna go with the player. Remember, Kyle Shannan has
not won a Super Bowl. Now what about Andy Reid.

(49:32):
That's that's a different question.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
He doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
But I'm I'm looking. I'd say Kyle Shannan is the
eleventh most valuable thing in football.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
That's would you take Kyle count.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I think they're they're they're both there. I actually rank
mcveig higher than Kyle Shanahan when we did their coaching thing.
I i'd say, you know what, I would, I would
only because he's more often than not created something out
of nothing like Rock Birdy. I mean, like, what was
the thing that the stat the other day? And I'm
talking about just who I want to like who were

(50:14):
drafting here? Right? And like I think Sean McVay has
a better resume. I might just from a culture standpoint,
give a nod to him. But forgot quarterbacks here, Okay,
isn't a stat that like, of the ten best yards
per attempt guys in history, like Kyle Shanahan, quarterbacks are
like four of them. I'm talking like the most random
guys and like Garoppolo's up there, like he creates something

(50:37):
out of nothing, and I think that's the hardest thing
to do in football.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I think one thing him and McVeigh share is. I mean,
look at the way the Rams just drafted. They really
like defense, and this has always been an Andy thing,
Like his great teams have been good on defense. That
first iteration of the Chiefs when Mahomes got there wasn't
as good. But what they've become. His Eagles teams like
they will have no problem if they have the number

(51:02):
two pick, like drafting a d tackle right, I mean,
and some offensive coaches they struggle with that. And that's
to me a big question with Lafleur and McDaniel is
can they figure that out, because if either one of
those teams had a good defense, they would be a problem.
And that's that's my hesitation on the Packers this year,
like one this short sample size with Jordan Love, even

(51:23):
though in a short sample size he had moments where
you look like freaking Aaron Rodgers, their defense over the
last fifteen years has just been a major problem. And
obviously they're used to playing in the cold. It is
a huge question mark with the Dolphins. It's not necessarily
their fault. They's play in Miami. There's no way to
prepare for it. But all the good AFC teams are freezing.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Cold come January, and more than anything, they retooled their
roster this year, lost in pass rush jets, and so
me caping for McDaniels is like, it's kind of crappy
for me because they're not gonna look that great this year.
They're not gonna be.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
They make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I have to look.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Probably they'll be right on the fringe where they've been
six to seven seed, right, yeah, yeah, I would. I
would probably agree. I got to go nine ten wins.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's gonna take them another year to get the roster
where it needs to be, especially in the post to
a contract era. So I'm not I'm expecting long success
from McDaniel not not next twelve months.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Okay, I'll get you out of here. On this the
kickoff rule, I think most people weren't quite paying attention.
Then they kind of started seeing some highlights. You're like,
this is probably gonna be pretty sweet. And I think
the curveball is gonna be in some of these bigger games.
If you're in a tie game Niners, Rams, hey debo, right,
or if you are the Miami Dolphins, hey, Tyreek. Because

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it's not a violent hit, potentially because you're not that
far away it's much more pure McCaffrey there. It's really
just like a run play. I think it's gonna be
pretty crazy some of the moments. Sean Patins talked about
this during the OTAs like you think it's gonna be
just a fun, explosive play.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Completely agree. I actually just pulled up I said, oops,
because I pulled up a kickoff because I wanted to
see one and it would play really loud on my headphones.
So it's off season for everybody. So the kickoff rule
is going to change so much. And this is one
thing that Belichick and Harball had always harped on with

(53:33):
Rich McKay's like, don't take the foot out of the game.
And I think that like these old school special teams guys,
they just love this stuff. And so now you get
not only do you get kickoff returns, you get different
value athletes. You know, you're talking about some of these
speedy guys draft in the first two rounds this year.
That kind of thing. You get the chiefs idea, which

(53:53):
is maybe you have a position guy who can handle
it kickoff and then have the better have a better
coverage group, and then the like the more important thing
is that the nun intended consequences, like you mentioned Sean Payton,
who pokes holes in new developments. Quite like Sean Payton,
I wish Belichick were around for this year because he
would find something. Yeah, he'll find a loophole. And so
that to me is the most important thing, is like

(54:15):
what are these guys gonna find for just sitting around?
Like I think the coolest thing I've I've ever come
across from reporting on this kind of stuff. It's like
you know this, but teams normally have either a quality
control coach or an assistant position coach who's literally their
job is to find stuff on the internet and just
like hey, find new place. That's how well I think
Press Taylor did that with Philly Special. And you're gonna

(54:36):
see that now where you're gonna see XFL game film
and all that stuff, and you're gonna see so much
innovation in a really short period of time.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Last question, do you think Belichick found love?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
He found something? He helps her with her homework, he
signed it, he signed his homework. I I'm extremely him.
I'm extremely happy for him. Good for him, he deserves it.
He'll take a year off and then it's her name Jordan.
Jordan will be on an NFL SID.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I don't even know. I don't know her name. You know,
she's a hybrid philosophy cheerleading. I mean, she's got she's
got a lot of different pitches. Like Bill, you know
he can he's a hybrid. He runs hybrid schemes. You know,
you just never know where he's coming from.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Okay, Kevin, the more you can do, the more you
can do is Bill Belichick said, have a great summer.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
And where can everyone find your stuff?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah? At by Kevin Clark on Twitter. I'll Sam on
Instagram and I very seldom use TikTok page Omaha Productions.
This is football episodes all through the summer. Then we'll
ramp up multi episodes going into training camp.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Till Peyton and Eli say hello and take it easy,
all right, see you man.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
The volume