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Thoughts on Paul George's comments about leaving the Clippers
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As we take you all the way up until three
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we opened up the show talking about the debut of
Bronny James.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Some people are like, well, you know, it's just a
one game sample size, Relax a little bit. Well, it
would have been two games with his knee swallowed up,
so there was no second game to go ahead and
go off of. So you look at that, you see
the situation with the Lakers and they're not move I mean,
they're not really able to to add anybody of substance
low management. You know, Lebron was talking with Dave mcmanimum
(01:27):
and just basically saying, hey, you know, takes two to mcmentimum.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, it takes two to tango. Yeah, there's a lot
going on.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
You said.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What you said, Dave mcminimum mc minimum, Yeah, one more
time he's minimum. Okay, I believe So you say league minimum. Yeah,
that's what it sounds like. Probably, But Lebron was talking
about how it takes two to tango, and you know
there he feels like the organization, he's got faith in
them and all that, and say, okay, well, you know
Klay Thompson chose Dallas, a guy that's from here. Did
(02:05):
DeMar DeRozan? You know, he accepted a sign and trade
to choose Sacramento Sacramento? So where did the whole state
income tax thing fall when it came to DeMar de
ros and he chose Sacramento and not the Lakers. James
Harden is staying with the Clippers, Like there's just feels
like they've whiffed on a lot of stuff. They feel
further away from being championship contenders than they were even
(02:27):
a year ago.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
It used to be easy for him to facilitate these
types of deals where Anthony Davis or you end up
with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh or you know a
Jordan not Jordan Love, but Kevin Love and and Kyrie
Irving like he It used to be a thing where
they actually had didn't They have to slow it down.
I'm like, whoa, you're not bringing him here, Like he's
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not coming here, That's not going to work.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Isn't a thing anymore?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I don't seem like that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
A bit more difficult to get what you want.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Like it's the opposite of it now.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, somebody who was in LA but not with the Lakers,
Paul George. He spoke on his podcast podcast pe no
relation to the playoff, by the way, and every time
he struggled, people were calling him pandemic, penemic, p consulting man.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
This game is SI.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But he spoke about why things went the way they
went with the Clippers and why he is now member
the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
The first initial deal was I thought kind of disrespectful,
right two year sixty.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So I'm like, no.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Then I hear wind of like, you know what they're
going to give Kawhi. So I'm like, just give me
what Kawhi got. Liker, y'all view us the same, like
you know, we came here together, we want to finish
it together.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I'll take what Kawhi got. They didn't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
So this was before the All Star breaks, so I'm like,
you know what I don't want, like, don't even it's
not even have no more conversations, like let me, let's
just play this year out because it was starting to
get into like my like my move now, I'm you
know what I mean, Like I didn't want to have
that energy carry over into the team season in I
finished healthy seventy four games played and have one of
(04:15):
my most efficient seasons. So now we're going to negotiations.
Now they bring it to three years, one point fifty.
All right, we're in the ballpark, you know what I mean?
Now we can have conversation here. I presented the three
one fifty no trade because in the meaning they're like
you know, we want you here long term. We want
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to you know, when you're retired, we want you to
be a Clippers for a lifetime, like all of this stuff.
So I'm like, cool, cool, They didn't want to do
the no trade wow. So then now I'm like, all right, well,
then it only makes sense for me to do four
years to twelve, right, like, at least pay me my money.
If y'all gonna trade me, then y'all gonna trade me.
(04:59):
But at least, like now, I'm not in a situation
where I could have got more had I just gone
to free agency.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So they didn't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
So now I was like, now like now I'm I'm
I'm open to entertaining what's what's out there. I love Steve,
I love Lawrence, but at that point it didn't even
feel right to come back with that type of energy
and be comfortable playing back in LA.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Fifty three million a year. It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
If y'all want to put no no trade close of
my dip, y'all need fifty three for over four.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
In my dipp dang.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
By the way, just to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Think where they were in twenty nineteen when him and
when him and Kawhi got there at the same time,
and it was like, oh man, they're taking over, Like
it is finally timed. Everything Everything that could have gone
wrong went wrong.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And what he said though he was efficient this year,
he did have a strong year and he stayed hell healthy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He wasn't lying. That wasn't that was not incorrect. It's
pretty detailed negotiating chat he got me.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
He put out there, I need that one fifty dang
for two years, fifty for two years.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That seventy five a year, dang. Yeah, I don't think
he was going to get that, but it just seventy
when you see what the perception of whatever so.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Casual with it though, right like, hey, I'm a I'm
a seventy five.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Million over a year.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
I think there's only banks were used to hearing that.
You know, it's banks, like the NBA, maybe maybe Major
League Baseball a little bit.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Hey man, I was watching the show one History Channel
called Men That Made America.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know people watch the History Channel. Well, I
was watching it.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
They was talking about Rockefeller, and they were talking about
JP Morgan and how electricity made its way, and then
JP wasn't. It was Carnegie and frick that came up
with you know, mass producing still that's how you know
Carnegie's from Pittsburgh or whatever the numbers that they were
throwing out there, like, yeah, he wanted to complete this
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this bridge that connected the Mississippi like connected two different places,
a bridge to go over the Mississippi River.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He came up short. He was in need of twenty
million more to complete complete the project.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Like what.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
This man?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
What seventy five million for four year playing basketball?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
This man sitting there Carnagie was going crazy, like.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Come man, he's trying.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
All I'm trying to do is is created a different lane.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, everybody using around road difficult.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Paul George is braging about only missing eight games last year.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
For seventy five million a year.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Dang, okay over three years?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, what fifty over three? Like, who care? It's fifty
million a year.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And the fact that he went into the detail that
he went into is him trying to let everybody know.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
He didn't want to leave. Yes, he didn't want to go.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So the fact that he broke down, because I can't
imagine why anybody would want to talk about their negotiations
after the fact unless you feel like you got to
get there your side of the story out because people
feel like you kind of alienated.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
It's so easy to do anymore. I mean, there's no
reason to false report anything or create a different narrative.
I mean, if the team sees it and feels a
different way about it than what the player feels, then
you put it out there and that you know, it
is what it is. But there's so many outlets now
for players to you know, opportunity for them to put
(08:51):
out their own like it's not even what they say,
it's not even about breaking news anymore. It's almost you know,
it's like you just talk about the news as these
guys are able to break the news on their own,
like that that's breaking news that he's putting out there
right that like for him, and how that applies like
ESPN didn't break that or Fox didn't break that, Like
(09:11):
he brought that news to the table. So when you
have that type of access where you can distribute your
information the way that you distribute your information, it now
becomes interesting to see how these organizations, you know, how
they how they respond to it. Most times, more often
than not, it's generally a vague, very very tongue in
cheek type of response to it, because there's no real
(09:32):
reason to go into the depth and the details of it.
He's not a part of your organization anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's kind of like the Saquon Barkley pushback or criticism
that was the Giants fans.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
That was outlandish though, that was that was to me.
I mean, q your QB former QB if if they
said we're not paying Brady Quinn forty million to be
a quarterback and then turning around and giving a running
back twelve million, We're not doing that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I mean, and't I hit you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The wrong way?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
That would hit me in the wrong way.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
I think how the show portrayed the conversation was really interesting,
only because the question immediately came up when you were
talking about Saquon and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Once you remove Saquon, like what's the identity of the.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Offense, that's a problem then, like the money you're spending
isn't money well spent if you take away one piece
and have no identity agreed and so then it makes
it look like, well, we're probably not investing that forty million. Well,
if we're talking about giving up a guy, what twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
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and all of a sudden, if we lose that, we
lose the identity of our offense. And I know Joe
Shane ends up saying, well, that's you know, we're paying
this guy forty million for a reason.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's like, yeah, you are, but just FYI, all the best.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Quarterbacks in the league, they're getting somewhere between fifty to
fifty five to be able to throw the rock around
the field tang and they're paid that for a reason
because they are as that. And so like when I
hear those comments of Paul George and like what he
was looking for and the transparents be hide the conversation.
The reality is that's the NBA like that that's your quarterback.
You need that superstar. You need a couple superstars if
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you really want to shot at competing for a championship.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And so like that's the going rate.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
I mean, whether it's quarterback NFL money or NBA money
for superstars, that's just what it is.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's the market.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
And so it not not to get off to a
tangent on with the Giants, but like when I when
I watched that, I go, oh, this is kind of
eye opening in the sense of, well, you're kind of
out loud admitting a mistake if it only takes one decision,
that is not even half the amount of money you
already invested in something else, and are saying, well, we
(11:47):
don't have an identity and we're not willing to spend
us on that player.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
That's a problem.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
It's one of the reasons why, like, it's hard for
me to be optimistic about the Giants this season because
even though.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
They have in free agency tried to replace Saquon in
a variety of ways, and they bring in Lak Neighbors,
who's a playmaker, they don't have Waller anymore either. He's retired.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Like you start really looking at things going, it's a
lot of pressure on Daniel Jones to.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
To, you know, be one of the top guys this year.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
And by the way, if he's not, this isn't too
disparage any player who's gonna be coming out in the
draft next year at quarterback. But it's not viewed the
same way as it was this year. It's one of
the reasons why people think that a lot of teams
two K quarterback this year in the first round of
the draft. It's why you had so many go because
they don't feel optimistic about the outlook for next year.
(12:36):
And if that's the case, puts the Giants in a
bad spot, does not.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, do you see ul neighbors training camp? And I
just uh, just partaking a little bit. He's going to
be in that running for Rookie of the Year. Yeah,
if Daniel Jones, you can't have any money by then?
Oh dang, that guy was throwing a grip of cash
at the strip CLU it was only ones. Okay, sure, No,
(13:03):
I wonder is that Is that going to be featured
on on the uh Hard Sneeze and of the hard
Knocks for the Giants or no, are we gonna we
used get past all that stuff? And also da I
want to see day Ball lost a lot of weight apparently?
Oh yeah, man, are you sure it's Olympic?
Speaker 8 (13:20):
I don't I think he's he he he used to
do that in the off seasons back when he was
in UH when I was with him in Cleveland, like
he would he would they'd always have like a weight
loss challenge and he would usually wipe the floor with everyone.
It's it's almost like he's a little bit of like
a Sandbagger and golf has got this like inflated handicapp.
(13:42):
He knows he could blow up through the season and
he could drop fifty pounds like nothing. I'm telling you,
I don't know what he does, but I've I've watched
him do it multiple off seasons and it's it's incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
To see getting skinny these days is like that's like
the new end thing. No matter what you notice, whatever's then,
you just look at the TV and there's always going
to be like something for it, Like there's going to
be like a drug for whatever's in, you know what
I mean. So right now, it's like ozempic. And there's
a couple other ones that are out there too that
there that are on the market where it shrinks your
body but but your head stays the same size.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, and I heard works what put down the fork?
Damn right, just put it down, walk away.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
We need to write a book on that, although I mean,
put down the fork, Lebron, Lebron's only one is gonna
read it because it'll be the first page.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh gosh, heart right hand by Quintin.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I'm just saying it'll be like one page picture book.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Why was he doing that though, Why was he doing that?
Why was he walking around with the thick ass books
and not using them?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think he was actually reading them.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
I just think someone got the picture of him at
the beginning of each book.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
That's my theory on it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You know how I read books? You do it?
Speaker 6 (14:55):
You know, I know it doesn't sound like I speak
super well. I listened to him.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I'll read it. I did it while I listened to him.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
But the reason why I'm like reading them without assistance
is because I don't know if I'm saying the word correctly.
So if I hear the word, if it's being read
to me, especially if it's like done by somebody who's
got a really good voice. Like I listened to the Bible,
like the whole entire Bible, and it was James Earl Jones. Yeah,
now I didn't. I didn't look at the Bible versus
(15:22):
that one. I just listened to. But most often, if
there's a book that I want to listen to and
there's an audio version, I like the Yeah, imagine I
think him Morgan Freeman Bruh had me in tears, bro Like.
There are at least like ten times during during listening
to It just had me shook up.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Bro like his voice James Jones Lion King as well.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yes, he's moved offster. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
If Morgan Freeman did the Bible though Vader too, I
would just take me to, uh, what's the UK? I
would just feel like I was listening to shawsh Ink
like he's you know, John three sixteen and I'm waiting
for Dufray to get a shift hold on him in
the shower here. Yeah, just all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Was Marlon Branda, who is Superman's dad. Yes, he So
that's really missed. It should have been James L.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Jones. Dang, I'm just saying like it's got he's got
more of like a I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Know, Marlon Brando's got a good voice too, But Hopkins
has got a good voice.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
He's got a really good voice.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
His voice is scary.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's always creepy, like kind of sinister. I think it's
because of the characters they've connected. Anyone need to.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Use him for like cutting players.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's too country. You know, if you know if.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
That was the voice you heard who was releasing you
on a team, you'd be like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I don't want to play for that dude. Anyway, you
know you gotta go.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
You gotta go Randy Travis if you're going country voice
or or can'try you can't.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
He's got Jackson? You say not not Randy Jackson?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Was it Randy?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Something Jackson?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, Randy Travis and Randy Jackson they don't look anything Alikeang, No,
I look like Randy Jackson, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But here's the who's the other one? Who's the big
jude that used to say bro?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I can't believe someone said that I had to have
it only because the hat.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I looked at it again. I looked at it again.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
And I was like, dang, we kind of like we
kind of bang bang, We kind of resemble a little
bit man, we kind of How.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Do you feel after you came to that revelation?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Well, you know, I don't think Randy Jackson is an
ugly dude at all. I just think that he's unique looking,
and I must look unique.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
He wasn't a former NFL linebacker?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I mean I just kind of in the face
where like dark we got like.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
To Brooks because everyone thinks for that's.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Less, that's less relatable.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I can't relate to that was that was a little
offensive because he's like, he doesn't look anything like us.
But but Randy Jackson us us, you know us linebackers. Yeah,
who's the big dude though? That has the real deep
voice that it does country music. You know he's he's
acted too, he's been an actor. I can't think of
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his name. I can't think of his name. But he's
got a deep No, that's that's round big.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
He tall.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
This dude was tall voice. He's on like America's got
talent or or the voice you remember like the first
few seasons, real tall dude, deep voice.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
All right, I'll figure it out. Well, is it Blake Shelton, Well,
he's the one on the voice, Blake Shelton. Is he
big tall.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Dude with with like big strong dude, looked like your
body slam you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Oh he's big dude.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
He's very tall.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now he's married to gwinn uh.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, no, not him, not him, not him.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
It's a different one now he body slam lee. I
can see that he kind of looks like Mark McGuire.
He looks just like Mark McGuire. He's a big dude
sings country music.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'll figure it. I'll tell y'all interesting. Move on. Well,
look it's out for me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You know, better conversation than Paul George complaining about fifty
million a year.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
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We have got a list. Now, who's at the top.
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I think everyone can agree on. But it's the following
names which we can have a discussion about in the NFL.
Oh no, that's that's another list. Our four oh okay
forgetting out of the WNBA Rookie of the Year Awards.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Perfect So.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Cam Newton has made a claim one of the great
dual threat quarterbacks of all time. He was on the
fourth and one Show and he has said that he
would like to give the award to best dual threat
Quarterback of all time to none other than the two
time MVP. Do you see or think of yourself as
the greatest dual threat.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
To ever play the game? Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Well, so, while Lamar, well, Lamar's style is a little
different than my.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
He got big play any play. Yes, he got speed.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That I never had.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And he's just electric. And then like I played the game.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
More powerful, You're gonna run through you.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
They might run around you.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I can run, but I might probably get caught, Big Lamar.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
They didn't get caught.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
That's cap in his mind. They you know how they
be having like some some of them shows they had
a little extra added, little little sound effects. That's cap though.
Cam Newton is one of the most electriflyifying, most versatile
quarterbacks to ever play this game at any level.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And in his.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Mind he might have been saying that out loud, but
in his heart he was like, man, come on, man,
I'm that guy. I bet you thought he was a
better pure passer than Lamar Jackson and and maybe even
mike Vic had a gun, but maybe even mike Vic
complete all around playmaker and he's got to be in conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean I would say this.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
I felt like Cam Newton was one of the most
imposing figures that I've ever seen on a football field.
And I say that at the quarterback position for the
reasons that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
LeVar just touched on.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I mean, when you saw him and I was played
against him, you know, you never felt like the game
was safe because he had the arm strength to be
able to create a big play with a bomb. But
if he got out in nobd space, I always thought, like,
who in the hell is going to tackle that dude?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Who wants to?
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Like, who wants to Who's who won on one is
going to be able to like it's gonna take multiple
defenders to stop him. And so it didn't matter where
he was in the field, you felt like he was
a threat. He singularly was a threat. So Cam may
be humble enough to give that to Lamar Jackson. And
(22:55):
I will say this, I mean, I think if you're
having the two have a race, Lamar Jackson, it's probably faster.
And so his points taken for Lamar Jackson's ability to
create explosion. And I think similar to Michael Vick in
the sense of you know what he can do with
the ball in his hands when he gets outside the pocket.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
But I would say, I mean, to me, Mike Vick.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Was still as far as a dual threat quarterback, the
most dynamic playmaker like I've ever seen, like his combination
of speed and even armstreng Like I feel like, if
you're comparing the three, he had the strongest arm of
everyone he And maybe it's because for me that was
like the first guy saw that, just like your jaw
(23:38):
dropped and you just went wow, Like who has got
the ability or possesses the ability to do what he
can do and where he if he wanted to be
become a running back. He could have been an All
Pro running back, but as a quarterback, he also had
the strongest arm and obviously played that excuse me a
high level as well. And that's where I feel like
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maybe he was just the quarterback that made that first
impression on me. But either way you're looking at those
three are probably three of the greatest to ever do
it in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I mean they're all wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, the best dual threat quarterback of all time
Steve Young, I mean he was a dual threat for
that one and he got a Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean,
but I mean do you feel like though that's a
little watered down.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I mean in terms of.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Well, I just don't think he had the same impact running.
But you're talking about a quarterback in Lamar Jackson who
rushed for over one thousand yards, you know what I'm saying,
Like you're talking about someone in Cam Newton that when
they got down in the red zone, like you weren't
stopping him if he wanted to get into the end zone.
And by the way, like season average and even throughout
(24:54):
the years, Cam was a guy who was going to
rush over for over like seven hundred yards, I mean
a minimum five hundred yards. I don't know that Steve
Young consistently ran the football the same way those guys did,
even though you're trying to make a case for him,
that's right, I just I don't know, man, Steve Young
was a beast.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He wasn't a beast. I'm not trying to take that away.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I'm the same beast.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
But he will like real, real dual threat, like dual threat,
dual threat.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I don't think so, man.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Because it's just he isn't nowhere near well because he's
just not as athletic as the other ones.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I wasn't really going to do it. I was really
I'm not really gonna do that.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Hey, man, you ain't seen me busting busting my shot though,
like you know what. I Meanwhile, we was doing doing
the radio show. I was good at it. Within the show.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
More rushing touchdowns than Michael Vick, more rushing touchdowns than
Lamar Jackson, racist all right, forty over forty rushing yards.
And then you compare him to Cam Newton and am
Newton's got like thirty more rushing touchdowns and Steve Young does,
but what he did passing wise kind of cancels that out.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It's Steve Young all the way.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
So I mean, if we want to make him out,
Rush's got better better passing stat than Cam.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine is a better passer.
He's got more passing yards, he's got more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. Yeah,
Steve Young, how about that. I'm not mad at it.
It's a it's a conversation proud, I'm not. I just
(26:37):
I don't know, triple threat QB of all time, most
dangerous Steve Young.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, that's right. I'm not mad at you. I don't
even want to say what I think because it's not close.
It's not close.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
No, It's like, I mean, I just remember Steve having
to run through a lot more tackles and things, you know,
and and like bounce soft dudes.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I mean, Vic and Lamar was running away, yeah yeah,
and then Cam was running through.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Cam was running through on tackle. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Like just they just happened to be, you know, you know,
I mean related that way.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Some would argue the top three dual threat quarterbacks in
the history of the league, and I mean some would
argue this Steve Young Josh Allen, Kate McNown.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Some would argue this. I don't know about Kate. I'm
just saying the first two you got, you got. I
mean you got an argument, you got an argument.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Why not all three be an argument? Like I'm just
picking three random names, like they've got nothing in common.
I'm just like looking around random.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
They have to be dual threat quarterbacks. I forget to pick.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, I'm just like, but random dual threat quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Are you could throw Josh Allen into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Fran Tarkanden Fran Tarkandon, Yeah, sure, I just I'm sorry
to feel a tat bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
What do you mean a little bit just a tad
bit uncomfortable right now?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
That's all comfortable because Jonas is just working way way
too hard hard.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's working way too hard right now. I've got a list.
I can't wait in there. I mean, if you want to.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Go there, we can go Steve de Berg.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
You want to put Taysom Hill in there? Yes, thank you.
That's a little bit, a little bit of love here.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So, y'all that took over running back, so you you
got to take over triple threat at the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Tim Tebow.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Yeah, that's that's all part of it is a defender
dual threat quarterback is that is would Lamar Jackson be
a bigger pain in the ass and Tom I.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Had to deal with McNatt my whole time, and he
was considered a dual threat, triple threat type of guy
my rankings, and I was I was tasked with always
shadowing him, which I never understood the whole point of shadowing,
to be honest, because it's never really worked. But but
(29:12):
you know, it's interesting. I would rather want to deal
with a running quarterback just because I feel as though
if you can if you can make them think for
more than you know, like the average time, like one
to two seconds, it's like, oh I can't throw it yet,
(29:34):
They're going to be more prone. This is just how
I prepare They're going to be more prone to start
wondering can I get it running? And now I'm gonna
start I'm gonna start gearing up to try to get
to him versus you know nowadays, I mean them guys
still will throw it. You know, they'll still throw it
from no you know, anywhere on the field, right up
(29:54):
on the line to cross where you can't throw it anymore.
So I can't speak for nowadays, but when I playing,
I definitely would have rather played against a runner versus
a thrower, because your your chances are a little bit tougher,
their slimmer to get to a pocket passing quarterback. People
(30:14):
might think it's the opposite, but it's actually as you
got a slimmer chance of getting to a quarterback that's
a pocket passing quarterback because they know they got to
stay true to the clock. There's a clock that we're
all on. And and so for me, it's like if
you can beat the clock with a runner, that runner
is going to try to buy time. Now I got
an opportunity to make, you know, get a play, or
(30:35):
or like what happened with Aikman where he thought that
he could just you know, he could roll out.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
And and.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Once you get a guy that's rolling out, that's like
our time, that's our time.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
You're in.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
You're in the see you are free game in the serengetti.
When you start rolling out, you start moving around some
people ready for the guy. And I ended his I
ended it forever.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Do you think I ended?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Are you being serious? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He never played again after that ever, And did he Damn.
I mean I'm not bragging about that. I don't brag
about hurting people, but I am the last person that
hit him.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Have you ever thought about ending Gonass radio career?
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I mean, if there were a way to do it
that were legal, I would definitely manifest it, you know.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Yeah, how would you go about doing that? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I would just go home and I would visualize it
and it's going to happen, and I'm gonna draw it
to me.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And you wouldn't talk to him across a lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Listen, here, we were just doing we were just doing
Alvin Mack in person earlier. Yeah, we couldn't go over
the air though. If you know Alvin Mack, you know,
Elijah got a little little you know, thrown off by
you know, the trash talk that was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, I mean everybody was piled into this studio because
the other studio was a little bit airy.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, could not be occupied that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
We got friends. Yeah, he's got.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Lee and friends today, Lee Lee and Friends to Todd
ain't here.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Also, I would say this for those of you if
you've liked what you've heard on the show, We can't
get into the details because we're not sure with this
audience how it's going to land. But Lee to Lap
did tell us what his fourth of July weekend look
like from a damage standpoint, and uh, it is impressive.
So tomorrow morning I can't wait to uh to have
(32:29):
a Lee share those details with Brady, because Lee, he
did some work.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, there's some bodies ladder around, some soldiers. I don't
know you're still alive, but here he is just hanging
out on Monday. Sunday was rough, following a following a
long weekend. So it is the Herd here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you
coming up next here though, you are going to hear
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a list in the NFL. While the top name on
the list, I don't think anybody he would argue with
the other names to follow we can have a discussion
with and we'll do that at the close up shop.
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Oh man, they call him Papa roachs not Papa Roach.
You know that thing's just hanging out. Well, you may
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
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Speaker 5 (35:17):
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Speaker 2 (35:20):
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Speaker 4 (35:22):
All right, Ride Music? What do we got? All right? Guys?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
ESPN polled some executives and some coaches across the NFL
to come up with their list of best running backs
in the league. No surprise, the top spot went to
Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
There you go. Y'all took quarterbacks. Now y'all want to
take running.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Back too, Okay, nice, all right, number two, good for y'all.
Priest Hall, at do we have quarterbacks?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, y'all took quarterbacks with Steve Young, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Number three, Nick number four, sa Kwon Barkley, number five,
Jonathan Taylor too.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, I thought I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
A little surre Alvin Kamara was on the Honorable Mentions list. Yeah, interesting, man, Yeah,
I thought it was a little surprising that ball was
all the way up at number two. Derrick Henry just
barely making the list at nine. Alvin Kamara was number
one in the most likely to have an altercation in
an a list.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Okay, that list does exist.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
By the way, Brice Hall another reason to like Aaron
Rodgers and the Jets this year. It's another weapon there.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
He is nice.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, I mean he had your boys shook Who was
the cook? He had cook shook up? Like I gotta
get up out of here.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Henry's that is this just purely based off this past year.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean, I mean it's based yeah, on sort of
where they currently are heading into this upcoming season. Okay,
I surprised to see Jonathan Taylor and players, no ex
coaches and coaches, all right, Jonathan Taylor at five feels
a little high. I'm surprised that the league is still
(37:10):
generally that high on Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
What about Roach Johnson? Is he on the list? Let
me see? Not on the list?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
At in studio, he's pretty high about my guy, Pretty Williams.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Where Williams list, Kiren Williams not on the list? Not
on honorable mentions?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I mean, unbelievable, dude.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He had Josh Jacobs checking in at seventh, Jamior Gibbs.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Twelve touchdowns last year, Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
At eight, so he's ahead of Derrick Henry, Aaron Jones.
I don't know how Aaron Jones isn't higher honorable mention
like it was Robinson up there, b Jon Robinson was sixth.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I bet.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
I mean, I would say, if you're betting on like
a futures bet, like he's gonna take off.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I also thought this one was a little surprising. Uh
Travis etn at ten, which I know he's got some
promise and.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He's had, but how does he get on there?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well they just did They didn't give him the ball
last year, like he just wasn't featured at all.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
But I'm surprised to need the consensus of the league.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Is there higher on ETN than like an Aaron Jones, right,
which is weird?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Right?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Right?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Well, I don't know. I'm an Aaron Jones fan. I'm
not going to hold it that way, but.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Go ahead, all right, Well we'll stick with the NFL here.
Lions won their first playoff game in thirty two years
last season and now appear to be one of the
favorites in the NFC to contend for a Super Bowl,
and their star defensive end Aiden Hutchinson says he believes
they've earned all the love. Here's what he had to say. Quote,
it's unreal. There's a lot of hype coming into this year,
(38:42):
but I think it's well deserved hype. I think a
lot more guys on our team understand what this year
is and we understand what we got to do, and
we're already.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
You know who else said that? The Lions in ninety
one said that too.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
But he was in a very similar position at Michigan
if you think about it, when when he kind of
got there the way his career went, the way he
kind of built his career up, the way Michigan was
built up, and then obviously he didn't win it last.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Year with them, but like they're kind of.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
In a similar spot as Michigan was, whereas they've built
this thing up now where this is that moment and
like all those dudes came back last year at Michigan
they end up winning the national championship. Detroit re signed
all their guys, They got him extended out golf and
Pinay Sewel and Amenra, like they got everyone back, they
(39:33):
added to it, and they're trying to come back to
make this get over the top and go win that thing.
I kind of feel like we've like seen this before
with Michigan last year, now with another team in Michigan
and with the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
When you guys were calling games for Fox and you
both did Lions games early in Dan Campbell's tenure, did
you think that it would get to this point this quick?
Because they were in Russia to see him, you could
see them going in the right pla direction. From my
vantage point, you can see that I was.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
Gonna say, I think the perception of who Dan Campbell
is as a coach. I think people see him, they
see the energy, they see how physically imposing his and
thing like he'd had when really like he is as
smart as any coach out there, as far as how
he sees the game, how he sees managing his team,
managing his staff.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
The I guess chemistry he's got.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
Kind of with them, if you will, you know, knowing
when to push, knowing when not to knowing when he
can be that player's coach, knowing when he's got to
be a disciplinarian.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Like he kind of feels and sends it all. He's
got a great feel for man I similar to LeVar.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
I guess the thing that I was most taken back
by is how different he is compared to the perception
of him, Like we only get those sound bites of
him biting off kneecaps, and then when you sit down
and talk ball with him, Oh my goodness, like every
piece of it, like searching out every single potential going
advantage they could have and how to go about building it.
(41:03):
And they're all in the sand pits like Brad Holmes too,
you know, Chris Bielman, who's in that the front office too.
Like all those guys they are aligned walking step by like.
People need to start looking at the Detroit Lions organization now.
And I don't think it's ever said this all right
about how they've built that thing as a team to
work together, like everyone all pulling old roll in the
(41:24):
same direction because they doesn't always work that way.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
And there a lot of them are former players, which
I think is super cool. Like Aaron glenn Is is
the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
I mean they that's right.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
They have they have, isn't I believe isn't Ansoine Randoyle
on their staff used the staff.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, Renelle used to be the staff. Fornell used to be.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
I'm not sure if he is, but I mean he
just a ton of former guys. I just think that
being able to relate these days, just got to be
able to relate to your players, man. And then he's
done a great job of doing that. But to your point,
I mean, he is a he is a smart dude
and he knows how to get them going.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
There you go. We'll wrap up with this. Dan Hurley, oh, throughout.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
The first pitch Brady's got me officially is going to
be staying with Yukon for the long haul, a new
six year, fifty million dollar contract for him to remain
the head coach of the Huskies for him, this of
course being brought upon in the stark contrast that he
turned down a reported six year, seventy million dollar contract
(42:27):
offer from the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
And I know playoff pe money though, So.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
You trying to say that he could have gotten twenty
more million from the Lakers if you are to believe
the reports, that's correct, he was going to get twenty
million more from the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Hey, why is he throwing out pitch? I know he's
from New York, right, he's from New York.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Oh, but you're isn't he?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
But you're you're a Connecticut, a yukont coach, which is
more like what that's more connected to Boston?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Right? Yeah? Think so?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So why are you throwing out a first pitch for
the Yankees? Was it this weekend?
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Jersey City? Jersey? So?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Is that okay? Does that work?
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
All right?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
It's all like Jersey's got a baseball.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I mean, but the Socks, the Socks and the Yankees.
When do you when I rather throw it out for
the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Well, it's the Yankees dude, I think you're taking that
if you get a chance.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Was it this weekend because they were playing each other,
so maybe he felt like, oh, you know kind of
you know, both teams are going, both teams both side. Yeah,
maybe that's I mean, he won the tournament. I was
just curious. That's all, not even an extra twenty million
dollars to get.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I'm going to go give me a corn cake Tomali
with some grill chicken on it.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Are you doing that now? Right now? Damn, I'm going
to do this
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Final hour of the program.
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As we take you all the way up until three
eastern time noon Pacific here on f s R. And
we opened up the show talking about the debut of
Bronny James.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Some people are like, well, you know, it's just a
one game sample size, Relax a little bit. Well, it
would have been two games with his knee swallowed up,
so there was no second game to go ahead and
go off of. So you look at that, you see
the situation with the Lakers and they're not move I mean,
they're not really able to to add anybody of substance
low management. You know, Lebron was talking with Dave mcmanimum
(01:27):
and just basically saying, hey, you know, takes two to mcmentimum.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, it takes two to tango. Yeah, there's a lot
going on.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
You said.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What you said, Dave mcminimum mc minimum, Yeah, one more
time he's minimum. Okay, I believe So you say league minimum. Yeah,
that's what it sounds like. Probably, But Lebron was talking
about how it takes two to tango, and you know
there he feels like the organization, he's got faith in
them and all that, and say, okay, well, you know
Klay Thompson chose Dallas, a guy that's from here. Did
(02:05):
DeMar DeRozan? You know, he accepted a sign and trade
to choose Sacramento Sacramento? So where did the whole state
income tax thing fall when it came to DeMar de
ros and he chose Sacramento and not the Lakers. James
Harden is staying with the Clippers, Like there's just feels
like they've whiffed on a lot of stuff. They feel
further away from being championship contenders than they were even
(02:27):
a year ago.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
It used to be easy for him to facilitate these
types of deals where Anthony Davis or you end up
with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh or you know a
Jordan not Jordan Love, but Kevin Love and and Kyrie
Irving like he It used to be a thing where
they actually had didn't They have to slow it down.
I'm like, whoa, you're not bringing him here, Like he's
(02:49):
not coming here, That's not going to work.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Isn't a thing anymore?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I don't seem like that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
A bit more difficult to get what you want.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Like it's the opposite of it now.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, somebody who was in LA but not with the Lakers,
Paul George. He spoke on his podcast podcast pe no
relation to the playoff, by the way, and every time
he struggled, people were calling him pandemic, penemic, p consulting man.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
This game is SI.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But he spoke about why things went the way they
went with the Clippers and why he is now member
the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
The first initial deal was I thought kind of disrespectful,
right two year sixty.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So I'm like, no.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Then I hear wind of like, you know what they're
going to give Kawhi. So I'm like, just give me
what Kawhi got. Liker, y'all view us the same, like
you know, we came here together, we want to finish
it together.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I'll take what Kawhi got. They didn't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
So this was before the All Star breaks, so I'm like,
you know what I don't want, like, don't even it's
not even have no more conversations, like let me, let's
just play this year out because it was starting to
get into like my like my move now, I'm you
know what I mean, Like I didn't want to have
that energy carry over into the team season in I
finished healthy seventy four games played and have one of
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my most efficient seasons. So now we're going to negotiations.
Now they bring it to three years, one point fifty.
All right, we're in the ballpark, you know what I mean?
Now we can have conversation here. I presented the three
one fifty no trade because in the meaning they're like
you know, we want you here long term. We want
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to you know, when you're retired, we want you to
be a Clippers for a lifetime, like all of this stuff.
So I'm like, cool, cool, They didn't want to do
the no trade wow. So then now I'm like, all right, well,
then it only makes sense for me to do four
years to twelve, right, like, at least pay me my money.
If y'all gonna trade me, then y'all gonna trade me.
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But at least, like now, I'm not in a situation
where I could have got more had I just gone
to free agency.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So they didn't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
So now I was like, now like now I'm I'm
I'm open to entertaining what's what's out there. I love Steve,
I love Lawrence, but at that point it didn't even
feel right to come back with that type of energy
and be comfortable playing back in LA.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Fifty three million a year. It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
If y'all want to put no no trade close of
my dip, y'all need fifty three for over four.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
In my dipp dang.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
By the way, just to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Think where they were in twenty nineteen when him and
when him and Kawhi got there at the same time,
and it was like, oh man, they're taking over, Like
it is finally timed. Everything Everything that could have gone
wrong went wrong.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And what he said though he was efficient this year,
he did have a strong year and he stayed hell healthy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He wasn't lying. That wasn't that was not incorrect. It's
pretty detailed negotiating chat he got me.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
He put out there, I need that one fifty dang
for two years, fifty for two years.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That seventy five a year, dang. Yeah, I don't think
he was going to get that, but it just seventy
when you see what the perception of whatever so.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Casual with it though, right like, hey, I'm a I'm
a seventy five.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Million over a year.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
I think there's only banks were used to hearing that.
You know, it's banks, like the NBA, maybe maybe Major
League Baseball a little bit.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Hey man, I was watching the show one History Channel
called Men That Made America.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know people watch the History Channel. Well, I
was watching it.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
They was talking about Rockefeller, and they were talking about
JP Morgan and how electricity made its way, and then
JP wasn't. It was Carnegie and frick that came up
with you know, mass producing still that's how you know
Carnegie's from Pittsburgh or whatever the numbers that they were
throwing out there, like, yeah, he wanted to complete this
(07:10):
this bridge that connected the Mississippi like connected two different places,
a bridge to go over the Mississippi River.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He came up short. He was in need of twenty
million more to complete complete the project.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Like what.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
This man?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
What seventy five million for four year playing basketball?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
This man sitting there Carnagie was going crazy, like.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Come man, he's trying.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
All I'm trying to do is is created a different lane.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, everybody using around road difficult.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Paul George is braging about only missing eight games last year.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
For seventy five million a year.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Dang, okay over three years?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, what fifty over three? Like, who care? It's fifty
million a year.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And the fact that he went into the detail that
he went into is him trying to let everybody know.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
He didn't want to leave. Yes, he didn't want to go.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So the fact that he broke down, because I can't
imagine why anybody would want to talk about their negotiations
after the fact unless you feel like you got to
get there your side of the story out because people
feel like you kind of alienated.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
It's so easy to do anymore. I mean, there's no
reason to false report anything or create a different narrative.
I mean, if the team sees it and feels a
different way about it than what the player feels, then
you put it out there and that you know, it
is what it is. But there's so many outlets now
for players to you know, opportunity for them to put
(08:51):
out their own like it's not even what they say,
it's not even about breaking news anymore. It's almost you know,
it's like you just talk about the news as these
guys are able to break the news on their own,
like that that's breaking news that he's putting out there
right that like for him, and how that applies like
ESPN didn't break that or Fox didn't break that, Like
(09:11):
he brought that news to the table. So when you
have that type of access where you can distribute your
information the way that you distribute your information, it now
becomes interesting to see how these organizations, you know, how
they how they respond to it. Most times, more often
than not, it's generally a vague, very very tongue in
cheek type of response to it, because there's no real
(09:32):
reason to go into the depth and the details of it.
He's not a part of your organization anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's kind of like the Saquon Barkley pushback or criticism
that was the Giants fans.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
That was outlandish though, that was that was to me.
I mean, q your QB former QB if if they
said we're not paying Brady Quinn forty million to be
a quarterback and then turning around and giving a running
back twelve million, We're not doing that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I mean, and't I hit you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The wrong way?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
That would hit me in the wrong way.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
I think how the show portrayed the conversation was really interesting,
only because the question immediately came up when you were
talking about Saquon and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Once you remove Saquon, like what's the identity of the.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Offense, that's a problem then, like the money you're spending
isn't money well spent if you take away one piece
and have no identity agreed and so then it makes
it look like, well, we're probably not investing that forty million. Well,
if we're talking about giving up a guy, what twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
(10:38):
and all of a sudden, if we lose that, we
lose the identity of our offense. And I know Joe
Shane ends up saying, well, that's you know, we're paying
this guy forty million for a reason.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's like, yeah, you are, but just FYI, all the best.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Quarterbacks in the league, they're getting somewhere between fifty to
fifty five to be able to throw the rock around
the field tang and they're paid that for a reason
because they are as that. And so like when I
hear those comments of Paul George and like what he
was looking for and the transparents be hide the conversation.
The reality is that's the NBA like that that's your quarterback.
You need that superstar. You need a couple superstars if
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you really want to shot at competing for a championship.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And so like that's the going rate.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
I mean, whether it's quarterback NFL money or NBA money
for superstars, that's just what it is.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's the market.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
And so it not not to get off to a
tangent on with the Giants, but like when I when
I watched that, I go, oh, this is kind of
eye opening in the sense of, well, you're kind of
out loud admitting a mistake if it only takes one decision,
that is not even half the amount of money you
already invested in something else, and are saying, well, we
(11:47):
don't have an identity and we're not willing to spend
us on that player.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
That's a problem.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
It's one of the reasons why, like, it's hard for
me to be optimistic about the Giants this season because
even though.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
They have in free agency tried to replace Saquon in
a variety of ways, and they bring in Lak Neighbors,
who's a playmaker, they don't have Waller anymore either. He's retired.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Like you start really looking at things going, it's a
lot of pressure on Daniel Jones to.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
To, you know, be one of the top guys this year.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
And by the way, if he's not, this isn't too
disparage any player who's gonna be coming out in the
draft next year at quarterback. But it's not viewed the
same way as it was this year. It's one of
the reasons why people think that a lot of teams
two K quarterback this year in the first round of
the draft. It's why you had so many go because
they don't feel optimistic about the outlook for next year.
(12:36):
And if that's the case, puts the Giants in a
bad spot, does not.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, do you see ul neighbors training camp? And I
just uh, just partaking a little bit. He's going to
be in that running for Rookie of the Year. Yeah,
if Daniel Jones, you can't have any money by then?
Oh dang, that guy was throwing a grip of cash
at the strip CLU it was only ones. Okay, sure, No,
(13:03):
I wonder is that Is that going to be featured
on on the uh Hard Sneeze and of the hard
Knocks for the Giants or no, are we gonna we
used get past all that stuff? And also da I
want to see day Ball lost a lot of weight apparently?
Oh yeah, man, are you sure it's Olympic?
Speaker 8 (13:20):
I don't I think he's he he he used to
do that in the off seasons back when he was
in UH when I was with him in Cleveland, like
he would he would they'd always have like a weight
loss challenge and he would usually wipe the floor with everyone.
It's it's almost like he's a little bit of like
a Sandbagger and golf has got this like inflated handicapp.
(13:42):
He knows he could blow up through the season and
he could drop fifty pounds like nothing. I'm telling you,
I don't know what he does, but I've I've watched
him do it multiple off seasons and it's it's incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
To see getting skinny these days is like that's like
the new end thing. No matter what you notice, whatever's then,
you just look at the TV and there's always going
to be like something for it, Like there's going to
be like a drug for whatever's in, you know what
I mean. So right now, it's like ozempic. And there's
a couple other ones that are out there too that
there that are on the market where it shrinks your
body but but your head stays the same size.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, and I heard works what put down the fork?
Damn right, just put it down, walk away.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
We need to write a book on that, although I mean,
put down the fork, Lebron, Lebron's only one is gonna
read it because it'll be the first page.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh gosh, heart right hand by Quintin.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I'm just saying it'll be like one page picture book.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Why was he doing that though, Why was he doing that?
Why was he walking around with the thick ass books
and not using them?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think he was actually reading them.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
I just think someone got the picture of him at
the beginning of each book.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
That's my theory on it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You know how I read books? You do it?
Speaker 6 (14:55):
You know, I know it doesn't sound like I speak
super well. I listened to him.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I'll read it. I did it while I listened to him.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
But the reason why I'm like reading them without assistance
is because I don't know if I'm saying the word correctly.
So if I hear the word, if it's being read
to me, especially if it's like done by somebody who's
got a really good voice. Like I listened to the Bible,
like the whole entire Bible, and it was James Earl Jones. Yeah,
now I didn't. I didn't look at the Bible versus
(15:22):
that one. I just listened to. But most often, if
there's a book that I want to listen to and
there's an audio version, I like the Yeah, imagine I
think him Morgan Freeman Bruh had me in tears, bro Like.
There are at least like ten times during during listening
to It just had me shook up.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Bro like his voice James Jones Lion King as well.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yes, he's moved offster. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
If Morgan Freeman did the Bible though Vader too, I
would just take me to, uh, what's the UK? I
would just feel like I was listening to shawsh Ink
like he's you know, John three sixteen and I'm waiting
for Dufray to get a shift hold on him in
the shower here. Yeah, just all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Was Marlon Branda, who is Superman's dad. Yes, he So
that's really missed. It should have been James L.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Jones. Dang, I'm just saying like it's got he's got
more of like a I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Know, Marlon Brando's got a good voice too, But Hopkins
has got a good voice.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
He's got a really good voice.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
His voice is scary.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's always creepy, like kind of sinister. I think it's
because of the characters they've connected. Anyone need to.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Use him for like cutting players.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's too country. You know, if you know if.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
That was the voice you heard who was releasing you
on a team, you'd be like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I don't want to play for that dude. Anyway, you
know you gotta go.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
You gotta go Randy Travis if you're going country voice
or or can'try you can't.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
He's got Jackson? You say not not Randy Jackson?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Was it Randy?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Something Jackson?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, Randy Travis and Randy Jackson they don't look anything Alikeang, No,
I look like Randy Jackson, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But here's the who's the other one? Who's the big
jude that used to say bro?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I can't believe someone said that I had to have
it only because the hat.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I looked at it again. I looked at it again.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
And I was like, dang, we kind of like we
kind of bang bang, We kind of resemble a little
bit man, we kind of How.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Do you feel after you came to that revelation?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Well, you know, I don't think Randy Jackson is an
ugly dude at all. I just think that he's unique looking,
and I must look unique.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
He wasn't a former NFL linebacker?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I mean I just kind of in the face
where like dark we got like.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
To Brooks because everyone thinks for that's.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Less, that's less relatable.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I can't relate to that was that was a little
offensive because he's like, he doesn't look anything like us.
But but Randy Jackson us us, you know us linebackers. Yeah,
who's the big dude though? That has the real deep
voice that it does country music. You know he's he's
acted too, he's been an actor. I can't think of
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his name. I can't think of his name. But he's
got a deep No, that's that's round big.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
He tall.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
This dude was tall voice. He's on like America's got
talent or or the voice you remember like the first
few seasons, real tall dude, deep voice.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
All right, I'll figure it out. Well, is it Blake Shelton, Well,
he's the one on the voice, Blake Shelton. Is he
big tall.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Dude with with like big strong dude, looked like your
body slam you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Oh he's big dude.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
He's very tall.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now he's married to gwinn uh.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, no, not him, not him, not him.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
It's a different one now he body slam lee. I
can see that he kind of looks like Mark McGuire.
He looks just like Mark McGuire. He's a big dude
sings country music.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'll figure it. I'll tell y'all interesting. Move on. Well,
look it's out for me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You know, better conversation than Paul George complaining about fifty
million a year.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
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Speaker 3 (19:11):
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Speaker 3 (19:41):
Everyone Trace Atkins. I mean, the only Trace I know
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people support the program. Trace McSorley, Trace Armstrong. He's a agent.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
He's a good agent. He used to play.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, play for the Bears, play for the Dolphins. You
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is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn Jonas knox In for Colin coming up in
about twenty minutes from now, you're going to hear a list.
We have got a list. Now, who's at the top.
(20:16):
I think everyone can agree on. But it's the following
names which we can have a discussion about in the NFL.
Oh no, that's that's another list. Our four oh okay
forgetting out of the WNBA Rookie of the Year Awards.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Perfect So.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Cam Newton has made a claim one of the great
dual threat quarterbacks of all time. He was on the
fourth and one Show and he has said that he
would like to give the award to best dual threat
Quarterback of all time to none other than the two
time MVP. Do you see or think of yourself as
the greatest dual threat.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
To ever play the game? Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Well, so, while Lamar, well, Lamar's style is a little
different than my.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
He got big play any play. Yes, he got speed.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That I never had.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And he's just electric. And then like I played the game.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
More powerful, You're gonna run through you.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
They might run around you.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I can run, but I might probably get caught, Big Lamar.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
They didn't get caught.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
That's cap in his mind. They you know how they
be having like some some of them shows they had
a little extra added, little little sound effects. That's cap though.
Cam Newton is one of the most electriflyifying, most versatile
quarterbacks to ever play this game at any level.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And in his.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Mind he might have been saying that out loud, but
in his heart he was like, man, come on, man,
I'm that guy. I bet you thought he was a
better pure passer than Lamar Jackson and and maybe even
mike Vic had a gun, but maybe even mike Vic
complete all around playmaker and he's got to be in conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean I would say this.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
I felt like Cam Newton was one of the most
imposing figures that I've ever seen on a football field.
And I say that at the quarterback position for the
reasons that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
LeVar just touched on.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I mean, when you saw him and I was played
against him, you know, you never felt like the game
was safe because he had the arm strength to be
able to create a big play with a bomb. But
if he got out in nobd space, I always thought, like,
who in the hell is going to tackle that dude?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Who wants to?
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Like, who wants to Who's who won on one is
going to be able to like it's gonna take multiple
defenders to stop him. And so it didn't matter where
he was in the field, you felt like he was
a threat. He singularly was a threat. So Cam may
be humble enough to give that to Lamar Jackson. And
(22:55):
I will say this, I mean, I think if you're
having the two have a race, Lamar Jackson, it's probably faster.
And so his points taken for Lamar Jackson's ability to
create explosion. And I think similar to Michael Vick in
the sense of you know what he can do with
the ball in his hands when he gets outside the pocket.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
But I would say, I mean, to me, Mike Vick.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Was still as far as a dual threat quarterback, the
most dynamic playmaker like I've ever seen, like his combination
of speed and even armstreng Like I feel like, if
you're comparing the three, he had the strongest arm of
everyone he And maybe it's because for me that was
like the first guy saw that, just like your jaw
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dropped and you just went wow, Like who has got
the ability or possesses the ability to do what he
can do and where he if he wanted to be
become a running back. He could have been an All
Pro running back, but as a quarterback, he also had
the strongest arm and obviously played that excuse me a
high level as well. And that's where I feel like
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maybe he was just the quarterback that made that first
impression on me. But either way you're looking at those
three are probably three of the greatest to ever do
it in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I mean they're all wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, the best dual threat quarterback of all time
Steve Young, I mean he was a dual threat for
that one and he got a Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean,
but I mean do you feel like though that's a
little watered down.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I mean in terms of.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Well, I just don't think he had the same impact running.
But you're talking about a quarterback in Lamar Jackson who
rushed for over one thousand yards, you know what I'm saying,
Like you're talking about someone in Cam Newton that when
they got down in the red zone, like you weren't
stopping him if he wanted to get into the end zone.
And by the way, like season average and even throughout
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the years, Cam was a guy who was going to
rush over for over like seven hundred yards, I mean
a minimum five hundred yards. I don't know that Steve
Young consistently ran the football the same way those guys did,
even though you're trying to make a case for him,
that's right, I just I don't know, man, Steve Young
was a beast.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He wasn't a beast. I'm not trying to take that away.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I'm the same beast.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
But he will like real, real dual threat, like dual threat,
dual threat.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I don't think so, man.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Because it's just he isn't nowhere near well because he's
just not as athletic as the other ones.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I wasn't really going to do it. I was really
I'm not really gonna do that.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Hey, man, you ain't seen me busting busting my shot though,
like you know what. I Meanwhile, we was doing doing
the radio show. I was good at it. Within the show.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
More rushing touchdowns than Michael Vick, more rushing touchdowns than
Lamar Jackson, racist all right, forty over forty rushing yards.
And then you compare him to Cam Newton and am
Newton's got like thirty more rushing touchdowns and Steve Young does,
but what he did passing wise kind of cancels that out.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It's Steve Young all the way.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
So I mean, if we want to make him out,
Rush's got better better passing stat than Cam.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine is a better passer.
He's got more passing yards, he's got more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. Yeah,
Steve Young, how about that. I'm not mad at it.
It's a it's a conversation proud, I'm not. I just
(26:37):
I don't know, triple threat QB of all time, most
dangerous Steve Young.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, that's right. I'm not mad at you. I don't
even want to say what I think because it's not close.
It's not close.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
No, It's like, I mean, I just remember Steve having
to run through a lot more tackles and things, you know,
and and like bounce soft dudes.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I mean, Vic and Lamar was running away, yeah yeah,
and then Cam was running through.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Cam was running through on tackle. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Like just they just happened to be, you know, you know,
I mean related that way.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Some would argue the top three dual threat quarterbacks in
the history of the league, and I mean some would
argue this Steve Young Josh Allen, Kate McNown.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Some would argue this. I don't know about Kate. I'm
just saying the first two you got, you got. I
mean you got an argument, you got an argument.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Why not all three be an argument? Like I'm just
picking three random names, like they've got nothing in common.
I'm just like looking around random.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
They have to be dual threat quarterbacks. I forget to pick.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, I'm just like, but random dual threat quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Are you could throw Josh Allen into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Fran Tarkanden Fran Tarkandon, Yeah, sure, I just I'm sorry
to feel a tat bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
What do you mean a little bit just a tad
bit uncomfortable right now?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
That's all comfortable because Jonas is just working way way
too hard hard.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's working way too hard right now. I've got a list.
I can't wait in there. I mean, if you want to.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Go there, we can go Steve de Berg.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
You want to put Taysom Hill in there? Yes, thank you.
That's a little bit, a little bit of love here.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So, y'all that took over running back, so you you
got to take over triple threat at the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Tim Tebow.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Yeah, that's that's all part of it is a defender
dual threat quarterback is that is would Lamar Jackson be
a bigger pain in the ass and Tom I.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Had to deal with McNatt my whole time, and he
was considered a dual threat, triple threat type of guy
my rankings, and I was I was tasked with always
shadowing him, which I never understood the whole point of shadowing,
to be honest, because it's never really worked. But but
(29:12):
you know, it's interesting. I would rather want to deal
with a running quarterback just because I feel as though
if you can if you can make them think for
more than you know, like the average time, like one
to two seconds, it's like, oh I can't throw it yet,
(29:34):
They're going to be more prone. This is just how
I prepare They're going to be more prone to start
wondering can I get it running? And now I'm gonna
start I'm gonna start gearing up to try to get
to him versus you know nowadays, I mean them guys
still will throw it. You know, they'll still throw it
from no you know, anywhere on the field, right up
(29:54):
on the line to cross where you can't throw it anymore.
So I can't speak for nowadays, but when I playing,
I definitely would have rather played against a runner versus
a thrower, because your your chances are a little bit tougher,
their slimmer to get to a pocket passing quarterback. People
(30:14):
might think it's the opposite, but it's actually as you
got a slimmer chance of getting to a quarterback that's
a pocket passing quarterback because they know they got to
stay true to the clock. There's a clock that we're
all on. And and so for me, it's like if
you can beat the clock with a runner, that runner
is going to try to buy time. Now I got
an opportunity to make, you know, get a play, or
(30:35):
or like what happened with Aikman where he thought that
he could just you know, he could roll out.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
And and.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Once you get a guy that's rolling out, that's like
our time, that's our time.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
You're in.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
You're in the see you are free game in the serengetti.
When you start rolling out, you start moving around some
people ready for the guy. And I ended his I
ended it forever.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Do you think I ended?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Are you being serious? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He never played again after that ever, And did he Damn.
I mean I'm not bragging about that. I don't brag
about hurting people, but I am the last person that
hit him.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Have you ever thought about ending Gonass radio career?
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I mean, if there were a way to do it
that were legal, I would definitely manifest it, you know.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Yeah, how would you go about doing that? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I would just go home and I would visualize it
and it's going to happen, and I'm gonna draw it
to me.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And you wouldn't talk to him across a lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Listen, here, we were just doing we were just doing
Alvin Mack in person earlier. Yeah, we couldn't go over
the air though. If you know Alvin Mack, you know,
Elijah got a little little you know, thrown off by
you know, the trash talk that was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, I mean everybody was piled into this studio because
the other studio was a little bit airy.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, could not be occupied that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
We got friends. Yeah, he's got.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Lee and friends today, Lee Lee and Friends to Todd
ain't here.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Also, I would say this for those of you if
you've liked what you've heard on the show, We can't
get into the details because we're not sure with this
audience how it's going to land. But Lee to Lap
did tell us what his fourth of July weekend look
like from a damage standpoint, and uh, it is impressive.
So tomorrow morning I can't wait to uh to have
(32:29):
a Lee share those details with Brady, because Lee, he
did some work.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, there's some bodies ladder around, some soldiers. I don't
know you're still alive, but here he is just hanging
out on Monday. Sunday was rough, following a following a
long weekend. So it is the Herd here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you
coming up next here though, you are going to hear
(32:55):
a list in the NFL. While the top name on
the list, I don't think anybody he would argue with
the other names to follow we can have a discussion
with and we'll do that at the close up shop.
Here it is the Herd on a Monday morning an
afternoon right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 4 (33:15):
Paully Fools go here with Tony Foosco.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award
winning Polly and Tony Foodsco Show. Yeah, but instead of
us telling you how great we are, here's how Dan
Patrick described us when he came on our show.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated. What what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Were interrupting our promo?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, it wasn't talking about you. You took those clips
totally of context.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Let me put this into context.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Shut up.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
Yeah, anyway, just listen to the Paully and Tony Fusco
Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
Yee yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not cold and CALLI Yeah
uh yeah, Papa Roach appropriate.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
You ain't lying. We got a celebrity and studio right now.
Oh man, they call him Papa roachs not Papa Roach.
You know that thing's just hanging out. Well, you may
not thing that terror. You're not going to hit the well,
you may not thing that's a person. It is that thing?
(34:26):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Hell, it is the herd.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, lebar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas Knox.
We are filling in for Colin final segment of the
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Music coming up here as we all are trying to
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
But right now we find this.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
No, no, this is.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
All right, Ride Music? What do we got? All right? Guys?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
ESPN polled some executives and some coaches across the NFL
to come up with their list of best running backs
in the league. No surprise, the top spot went to
Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
There you go. Y'all took quarterbacks. Now y'all want to
take running.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Back too, Okay, nice, all right, number two, good for y'all.
Priest Hall, at do we have quarterbacks?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, y'all took quarterbacks with Steve Young, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Number three, Nick number four, sa Kwon Barkley, number five,
Jonathan Taylor too.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, I thought I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
A little surre Alvin Kamara was on the Honorable Mentions list. Yeah, interesting, man, Yeah,
I thought it was a little surprising that ball was
all the way up at number two. Derrick Henry just
barely making the list at nine. Alvin Kamara was number
one in the most likely to have an altercation in
an a list.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Okay, that list does exist.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
By the way, Brice Hall another reason to like Aaron
Rodgers and the Jets this year. It's another weapon there.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
He is nice.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, I mean he had your boys shook Who was
the cook? He had cook shook up? Like I gotta
get up out of here.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Henry's that is this just purely based off this past year.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean, I mean it's based yeah, on sort of
where they currently are heading into this upcoming season. Okay,
I surprised to see Jonathan Taylor and players, no ex
coaches and coaches, all right, Jonathan Taylor at five feels
a little high. I'm surprised that the league is still
(37:10):
generally that high on Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
What about Roach Johnson? Is he on the list? Let
me see? Not on the list?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
At in studio, he's pretty high about my guy, Pretty Williams.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Where Williams list, Kiren Williams not on the list? Not
on honorable mentions?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I mean, unbelievable, dude.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He had Josh Jacobs checking in at seventh, Jamior Gibbs.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Twelve touchdowns last year, Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
At eight, so he's ahead of Derrick Henry, Aaron Jones.
I don't know how Aaron Jones isn't higher honorable mention
like it was Robinson up there, b Jon Robinson was sixth.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I bet.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
I mean, I would say, if you're betting on like
a futures bet, like he's gonna take off.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I also thought this one was a little surprising. Uh
Travis etn at ten, which I know he's got some
promise and.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He's had, but how does he get on there?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well they just did They didn't give him the ball
last year, like he just wasn't featured at all.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
But I'm surprised to need the consensus of the league.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Is there higher on ETN than like an Aaron Jones, right,
which is weird?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Right?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Right?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Well, I don't know. I'm an Aaron Jones fan. I'm
not going to hold it that way, but.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Go ahead, all right, Well we'll stick with the NFL here.
Lions won their first playoff game in thirty two years
last season and now appear to be one of the
favorites in the NFC to contend for a Super Bowl,
and their star defensive end Aiden Hutchinson says he believes
they've earned all the love. Here's what he had to say. Quote,
it's unreal. There's a lot of hype coming into this year,
(38:42):
but I think it's well deserved hype. I think a
lot more guys on our team understand what this year
is and we understand what we got to do, and
we're already.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
You know who else said that? The Lions in ninety
one said that too.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
But he was in a very similar position at Michigan
if you think about it, when when he kind of
got there the way his career went, the way he
kind of built his career up, the way Michigan was
built up, and then obviously he didn't win it last.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Year with them, but like they're kind of.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
In a similar spot as Michigan was, whereas they've built
this thing up now where this is that moment and
like all those dudes came back last year at Michigan
they end up winning the national championship. Detroit re signed
all their guys, They got him extended out golf and
Pinay Sewel and Amenra, like they got everyone back, they
(39:33):
added to it, and they're trying to come back to
make this get over the top and go win that thing.
I kind of feel like we've like seen this before
with Michigan last year, now with another team in Michigan
and with the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
When you guys were calling games for Fox and you
both did Lions games early in Dan Campbell's tenure, did
you think that it would get to this point this quick?
Because they were in Russia to see him, you could
see them going in the right pla direction. From my
vantage point, you can see that I was.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
Gonna say, I think the perception of who Dan Campbell
is as a coach. I think people see him, they
see the energy, they see how physically imposing his and
thing like he'd had when really like he is as
smart as any coach out there, as far as how
he sees the game, how he sees managing his team,
managing his staff.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
The I guess chemistry he's got.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
Kind of with them, if you will, you know, knowing
when to push, knowing when not to knowing when he
can be that player's coach, knowing when he's got to
be a disciplinarian.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Like he kind of feels and sends it all. He's
got a great feel for man I similar to LeVar.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
I guess the thing that I was most taken back
by is how different he is compared to the perception
of him, Like we only get those sound bites of
him biting off kneecaps, and then when you sit down
and talk ball with him, Oh my goodness, like every
piece of it, like searching out every single potential going
advantage they could have and how to go about building it.
(41:03):
And they're all in the sand pits like Brad Holmes too,
you know, Chris Bielman, who's in that the front office too.
Like all those guys they are aligned walking step by like.
People need to start looking at the Detroit Lions organization now.
And I don't think it's ever said this all right
about how they've built that thing as a team to
work together, like everyone all pulling old roll in the
(41:24):
same direction because they doesn't always work that way.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
And there a lot of them are former players, which
I think is super cool. Like Aaron glenn Is is
the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
I mean they that's right.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
They have they have, isn't I believe isn't Ansoine Randoyle
on their staff used the staff.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, Renelle used to be the staff. Fornell used to be.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
I'm not sure if he is, but I mean he
just a ton of former guys. I just think that
being able to relate these days, just got to be
able to relate to your players, man. And then he's
done a great job of doing that. But to your point,
I mean, he is a he is a smart dude
and he knows how to get them going.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
There you go. We'll wrap up with this. Dan Hurley, oh, throughout.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
The first pitch Brady's got me officially is going to
be staying with Yukon for the long haul, a new
six year, fifty million dollar contract for him to remain
the head coach of the Huskies for him, this of
course being brought upon in the stark contrast that he
turned down a reported six year, seventy million dollar contract
(42:27):
offer from the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
And I know playoff pe money though, So.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
You trying to say that he could have gotten twenty
more million from the Lakers if you are to believe
the reports, that's correct, he was going to get twenty
million more from the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Hey, why is he throwing out pitch? I know he's
from New York, right, he's from New York.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Oh, but you're isn't he?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
But you're you're a Connecticut, a yukont coach, which is
more like what that's more connected to Boston?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Right? Yeah? Think so?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So why are you throwing out a first pitch for
the Yankees? Was it this weekend?
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Jersey City? Jersey? So?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Is that okay? Does that work?
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
All right?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
It's all like Jersey's got a baseball.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I mean, but the Socks, the Socks and the Yankees.
When do you when I rather throw it out for
the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Well, it's the Yankees dude, I think you're taking that
if you get a chance.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Was it this weekend because they were playing each other,
so maybe he felt like, oh, you know kind of
you know, both teams are going, both teams both side. Yeah,
maybe that's I mean, he won the tournament. I was
just curious. That's all, not even an extra twenty million
dollars to get.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I'm going to go give me a corn cake Tomali
with some grill chicken on it.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Are you doing that now? Right now? Damn, I'm going
to do this
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