July 12, 2024 • 40 mins
What actually happens when a great person leaves an organization
The NFL sees it's sport as a TV show and it shows in their production
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome Back, Hour two and a Friday live in LA.
It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jordan Schultz is joining me jmac back next week. He's
somewhere abroad. No idea where I know. I can't keep
up travels the globe. So last couple of nights, I've
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been staying home because I was on vacation and I
want to kind of get back into sports, and I was.
I watched the Dodgers Stilly Series the last couple of nights. Folks,
It's official. The Phillies are the best team in baseball,
and I'm not sure it's for tick close. They overwhelm
the Dodgers. Now, the Dodgers have some injuries to deal with,
but they outscore Tom nineteen to five in the series,
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and it was not close. The Phillies are the best
team in baseball. They have the best pitching in baseball,
the best run differential Kyle Schwarber and Bryce Harper. They
have power Aaron Nolan, and they probably have the best
ace first or second best ace. Their pitching staff is
like old school, so they eat up innings so their
Bullpenzo is fresh, Brandon marsh Alec Bonnett third. If you
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watched any of the series, like, it wasn't close. Now,
Philadelphia plays so well at home that there's no home
field advantage. Generally in baseball, it's the next day's pitcher.
I'm sorry, but the Phillies are better at home. That
is a home field. That's a football home field advantage.
Philadelphia is loaded, and the Dodgers are in a weird
place because they have a massive payroll, number one in
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attendant stars everywhere, but the pitching they can't stay healthy.
Y'amamoto now hurt, Clayton Kershaw still hurt, Walker Bueller still
in rehab. They had to demote a starting pitcher because
his mechanics got off track down to minor league baseball.
But if you watched any of this series. The Phillies
were better than the Dodgers at everything, starting pitching, power, hitting,
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situational defense. It wasn't close. And now some of it's
the Dodgers are banged up. But I felt after the
Dodgers played the Yankees, you came out of that series
and said, the Dodgers are the better team than the Yankees.
And the Yankees have struggled the Dodgers right now and
some of its injuries, they're not close to Philadelphia. Here's
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Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They're clearly playing a lot better baseball than we are.
They're clearly a better team than we are right now.
You know, we really didn't do much well of this series,
starting pitching defense. You know, we had a mistake to
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on the basis, you know, like I was saying, no
one's gonna feel sorry for you. Got to play better.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, and in Philadelphia is a great watch. It feels
a little bit like old Yankee Stadium, where you literally
felt in later innings the crowd played a part. And
we said that in football all the time, especially college football.
But you watch the Phillies at home, that's an advantage.
That team feeds off the energy of that crowd. Well,
I was gone Monday and Tuesday and Danny Parkins filled in.
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Super talented guy out of Chicago's did a great job
filling this for us on the show and our staff
just loved him. And he is joining us live now
before he does his effort in the show in Chicago.
First of all, thanks for filling in. It was a
real treat to watch you and the staff loved you
and thanks for that. I appreciate your work.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Oh well, thank you for the compliment, and honestly, it
was really nice because people like, oh, Colin Coward, it's
a one man band. No, no, no, yeah, there's many
many people in this band, And now I know the
true genius behind the brains that is Colin Coward.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Your staff is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's right. It's like the Wizard of Oz. You go
behind the curtain and it's not He's not really doing
that much. So I want to talk about the Bears,
U and I and I said this yesterday when Justin
Fields went for just a six round pick. It's actually
good news for the Bears because NFL personnel people are
telling you, yeah, the gap between Caleb and Justin is
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the Grand Canyon and you still won seven games with
that quarterback, So in a weird way, going for a
six round pick, to me, I felt like, oh, this
team's ready to win now. And I don't want to
get too hyperbolic on it because it's the Bears and
they you know that culturally they're always off. But if
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you ask your typical listener, and fans can be you
know they're fans, they're highly they emote. But I don't
think it's crazy to say to say, yeah, this this,
this can be a playoff team. Does that seem too
much too soon?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
We saw CJ.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Stroud win a playoff game last year and he did
not enter a situation that was half as good, at
least how we thought about it twelve months ago as
the one that Caleb Williams is walking into. And we
know that Caleb was a higher level prospect than CJ. Strouds.
So we see rookie quarterbacks, if they are talented and
they go into good situations, have success early. Justin Herbert,
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he had thirty one touchdowns and ten interceptions as a rookie.
I don't know why Caleb Williams couldn't be the first
Bears quarterback ever to throw for thirty touchdowns or the
first Bears quarterback ever to throw for four thousand yards
as a rookie. And if they won seven games without him,
the expectation is certainly to win more than seven games
with them, because it's not just him that they added.
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They should have upgraded at play caller. They certainly upgraded
at wide receiver two with Keenan Allen. They certainly upgraded
at wide receiver three with Roma Dunza, they upgraded with
DeAndre Swift. This offense should have gotten a lot better
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So we were talking earlier. We got into a debate
on Dak Prescott, and I've always said, if you look
at the numbers, basically he's Kirk Cousins with a star
in his helmet, that he's a bigger brand. But Kirk,
whenever you pay Kirk, it's what are you doing? And
if you don't pay Dak, it's what are you doing?
And the truth is their numbers are virtually the same.
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Kirk throws a better or more accurate ball. Dak's the
better athlete, but they're kind of b plus guys who
have made a money And I believe there is a
truth serum in the NFL, you can win a Super
Bowl on a rookie quarterback contract or having an all
time great making money. You cannot be a super Bowl
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team with a B plus quarterback making A plus money.
And so I think it's all fear based when I
hear what do you do if you don't have Dak?
And my takeaway is you figure it out. I mean
the Niners whiffed on Trey Lanson went and got brought purty.
You figure it out. What do you do with Dak?
If you ran the Cowboys? You pay him?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And you can accuse me of being fear based, Colin,
But they don't have Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
They have Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Mike McCarthy only wins playoff games if he has Aaron Rodgers.
So I don't think that you can say, well, they'll
just figure it out. I have no faith in their
ability to figure it out, and we need to learn
something from history. You're right, he puts up great stats.
The Kirk Cousins comp I don't think is wildly unfair.
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But Kirk Cousins, at thirty five years old, coming off
a ruptured achilles, just got one hundred million guaranteed up
to one hundred and eighty million dollars. Dak Prescott is
thirty years old. He's home grown. He used to be
twenty three and six and a conservative, checkdown, risk averse
quarterback every year. This past year, they led the league
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in points, he led the league in passing touchdowns. He's
thirty years old. He's coming off the best season of
his career. He's the runner up for MVP. I think
it's totally reasonable to think that he's got a ceiling
that is higher than Kirk Cousins. We just saw it
this past year, at least in terms of how he
finished relative to the league. Winning twelve games three straight years.
They have no alternative. They're too good to draft high
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to draft a replacement. I understand that he'll be ten
percent overpaid, but the Falcons said, we can't do it
with Desmond Ritter anymore. We've got to get competency at
that position. The alternative is what Cooper rush Trey Lance.
So yeah, call it fear based if you want, but
it's a binary thing. It's a have and have not league,
and if you have a quarterback, I think you have
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to pay him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
If it's Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The other debate I get into is Aaron Rodgers, and
I said, Aaron's always been polarizing because he replaced maybe
the most popular player in my life in Brett Farr,
and they had a little few. So that's like Lebron
and Michael Jordan. Michael was more loved. Whether you think
Lebron's better, Michael was more beloved. Whoever replaces Michael is
going to get heat unless maybe your magic right. So
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like Aaron, it was tough. You're replacing in small town America,
the most beloved player in the league, and then he
has vaccine opinions and political opinions. But I don't care.
I don't care who you vote for. My guess is
most quarterbacks are conservative. I don't care. But my knock
on him is always Ben. I always say, little bit
of a Baylor more than a baller. He's not a
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foxhole guy. Twenty one playoff games, one come from behind.
He's great with the lead, he's great in great weather,
but he's lost home playoff games as a favorite to Garoppolo,
old Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick, and I've said, I feel,
what if you go to the heart of his career
and the heart of Akman's, Bradshaw, Brady Manning, Ben Warner.
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It doesn't stack up. It's an NBA career where he's rich,
he's got a big brand. It's esthetically pleasing. I like Aaron.
I think we've anoyted him to a class. It doesn't
feel like he belongs. And you think I'm nuts.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I think you're absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
There is some level of eye test that we have
to apply to this sort of thing, because it is
you know this, it's the ultimate team game. One player
cannot just win you a Super Bowl. I mean I
lost a bunch of money when Mike McCarthy took the
ball out of Aaron Rodgers's hands in an NFC championship
game where they were up twelve in the fourth quarter
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against Seattle, and this guy's settling for field goals inside
the five yard line, and like, no, I'll give it
to Eddie Lacy.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Like that was purely on Mike McCarthy, not on Aaron Rodgers.
The only guy in league history with more MVPs than
Rogers is Peyton Manning. Only ten guys ever have multiple MVPs.
He's got four. He's got a ring He's about to
pass Marino this year for eighth all time in passing yards. Like,
if Aaron Rodgers isn't an all time great, is Drew
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Brees not an all time great? He's only been to
one Super Bowl, he only has one ring, He's second
all time in passing yards, he has no MVPs. I
think we would say that Breeze is at all time guy.
So if Aaron Rodgers, who impacted the influence of the
style of play, the off angle throws, the off timing throws.
Patrick Mahomes has said Rogers's style of play influences him.
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Caleb Williams has said his favorite quarterback ever to watch
is Aaron Rodgers. The modern great quarterbacks that dominate football.
They steal from this guy, just like in the NBA
people steal from Steph Curry. So he doesn't have the rings. True,
I blame Mike McCarthy for that. It's a team sport.
There's no doubt in my mind that Aaron Rodgers is
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an all time great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Had not a bad argument. That's pretty decent argument. There
there is an influence thing. I've been defending Steph Curry
forever that he's the most he's more influential than Lebron.
He's not the player, but he's more influential. And yeah,
so I want to go WNBA. I think this is fascinating.
I said, the NBA, it's not that Magic and Birds
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saved it, but they made it hi commercial. They meet
in college, and then Magic wins a title and then
Bird wins the next and neither one dominated the rivalry,
and that's why it was a rivalry. The reason Brady
and Big Ben don't feel like rivalries and Brady and
Manning do is there was more give and take with
Manning and Brady, especially at the end when Manning started winning.
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More is that, I said, I think it's great if
Caitlin Clark gets snubbed by the Olympics and Angel Reese
wins Rookie of the Year, it will incentivize the Caitlin Clark.
They're like Swifties, like Taylor Swift. When she was dissed
by Kanye, it empowered and bold in her fan base
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to be more supportive. She's never looked back, and I
find the pushback of Angel reason Caitlin Clark and I
argue to truly change the league and not just your
pocket book. It's better for the league that Angel Reese
wins Rookie of the Year. Am I nuts on that too?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well? I think your nuts if you think it's gonna happen,
at least according to the odds makers. I think Caitlin's
got a pretty I saw minus three point fifty minus
four hundred for her to win Rookie of the Year
some places as a couple of weeks ago is minus
eight hundred, So it's moving in Angel Reese's direction, but
she's still an overwhelming favorite. In terms of what the
rivalries are good for sports, one of my main principles
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in doing this is I want less hate in the
world and more Hayden sports because rivalries are fun. Trash
talk is fun. It's okay, like we don't need to
protect these people from our delicate, fragile sensibilities. Like they
are elite, world class athletes who get paid handsomely, who
have chosen to enter the life that they have, and
it's okay. We can talk about it and be critical
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and debate it and everyone's gonna be fine. And so
I like the bird Magic comparison. But another thing that
I think factors into that is the WNBA has had
stars in the past. They've had great college players in
the past, Diana Tarrossi, Sue Byrd, Candice Parker. These were
college basketball stars. But and you know this as much
as anyone you're as media savvy in the sports, we
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weren't watching them in college like we watched Caitlin Clark
and Angel Rees. The numbers for the women's Final Four
in terms of TV ratings is still one of the
most shocking things to me of the last ten years
in sports media. They were getting more viewers than big
time college football games like non bcs, like National Championship
College Football playoff game was like.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Oh the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Nope, more people watched Iowa women's basketball in the Final four. Okay, well,
we're not surprised when college football players that we care about,
to Shawn Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield, whomever, come into
the NFL and we already have opinions about them because
twenty million people watch their games in college. So everyone
had an opinion about Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees before
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they got to the pros. And now we're in our corners.
We're defending narratives, we're arguing about it and that is
the thing that I think is healthiest for the sport
that they have a rivalry that dates back to when
tens of millions of people saw their origin story.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I said, I got so many questions. I was
kind of taken back by how many people on my
vacation came up out east and said, what do you
make about Brownie being drafted to the Lakers. And here's
my analogy the people angry with it. I said, if
you went to a steakhouse for ten years, and you
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took clients there for ten years, and you spend a
lot of money on your AMEX card for ten years,
when you go to that steakhouse, you expect a little
better poor on the pino and the table you want,
right right. Lebron's carried the league for twenty years, the
league ozim a solid, He wasn't in the playoffs. He
and Steph this year didn't have playoff runs. The ratings tanked.
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So I'm like, folks, this is the way America works.
You oh brought twenty years of never in trouble, always
a good guy talking about the way to play the game.
Are you surprised by the outrage of it? And did
it bother you that maybe a G League level player
got drafted by Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
No, it's how the world works.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
And I mean, it's an interesting point about what the
NBA owes him, but it's really the Lakers. The NBA
didn't draft Bronni. The Lakers drafted Bronni for Lebron, and
he delivered them a championship in the bubble, So I
get it. The only thing I have a problem with
is the stuff that seems to be coming out of
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the Lebron camp of how that they don't have as
much influence in all of this.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
As it just it defies logic. They hired his podcast
co host to be the coach of the team. He
said his favorite player in college basketball other than Bronni
was Dalton Connect And they drafted Bronni and Dalton Connect
and we're supposed to be like.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
And Lebron has no influence in this offseason like that?
Come on, just say what you just said.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Lebron James is the biggest star in the world. He's
carried the league, he's carried the franchise. He's leading the
huddle at Team USA after their wins. The star among
stars everybody respects him. And oh yeah, by the way,
Lebron might honestly be able to say, sure, Bronny isn't
totally ready for the NBA, but you know what has
a better shot at getting him ready for the NBA
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playing in the NBA, training in the NBA. Watch how
I play and train in the NBA. Because Lebron got
to the NBA as soon as possible. What is better
to develop a player the NBA or USC.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
It's clearly the NBA. So Lebron's doing his kid a
solid because he can. Is nepotism a great thing?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
No, obviously not, but I'm not going to pretend to
be outraged that it exists.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, we appreciate you filling in. You did such a
great job. The staff was so complimentary, and yes, yes,
part of the success of this show is the people
behind the scenes. Let's not give them too much credit.
You know, the egos behind the scenes and the graphic department.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Are a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So we've got a slop.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, no, compared to your ego. I know. That's what
everybody said around there.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There were just like God, the graphics guy, it's just
can we fit his head through the door.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Danny Parkin, super talented guy. Love seeing you again, buddy, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Colin talks soon.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yep. Weekdays in Chicago. If you're in the city, turn
it on. He's fantastic. Yeah, we got a heck of
a staff here, we really do. I'm excited for the Bears.
I've felt for the last seven or eight years. And
he made a really good point in the AFC c J.
Stroud won a playoff game in the Superior Conference. It's
not outrageous that Caleb Williams goes to Chicago with the
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best offensive skill that the Bears have probably had since
the peak J Cutler years. They had al Sean and Jeffrey.
They have good, pretty good offensive group. You go to
the last ten, twelve, fifteen years, this is the most talented.
You know, Chicago's always on the wrong side of the ball.
Right as the league pivoted to offense, the Bears were
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clinging to defense. Pittsburgh's doing that now. But they're just
a better run version of Chicago where you have old owners.
You're kind of stuck in the past. But Pittsburgh's well run.
Chicago historically hasn't been well run. They never had a
great quarterback, so it's very interesting. They get Ryan Poles.
The GM comes in and you know, they hire Bill
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Paulian's part of the draft. The coaching thing. They put
a defensive coach in to an organization that has been grabbing,
holding on for dear life to defense. And they actually
first two draft picks both offense. Spent money offense, and
that's a big pivot for the Chicago Bears. Green Bay
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has always been ahead of the curve. That's why they
win the division. Green Bay has been pro offense since
Holme Gren, Mike Sherman, Matt LeFleur. I mean they and
what they've done. What's interesting. They draft defense in the
first round usually, and then they draft and developed the
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offense later. Green Bay has been dominating this division because
they got offense right, they get quarterback right. Chicago's had
better defenses than green Bay. It's the bigger city, it's
the better free agent market. They have an actual owner,
but they're clinging to the past. I think they finally
when they got Roma Dunze with the second pick, they
said we're gonna double down on offense again. It was
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like wow, Wow, I figured they get you know, Dallas
Turner the UCLA edge and they're like, no, we're gonna
take another receiver. That was like a moment in time
that Chicago with a defensive head coach on the hot seat,
who could really and the team needs a head drusher
and they didn't take one. It's like, Wow, the Bears
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have pivoted. Now will the Steelers do it? Will they
pivot and spend more money on the offensive side?
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Speaker 8 (21:18):
Colin Anthony, Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams were one of
the premier quarterback receiver duels when they've played together in
Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
The two are still.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Close friends and Aaron has his eye on a potential return.
He even said he can't wait to play with Davante
again someday and Davante confirmed that Aaron is always in
his ear about joining forces. Now to me, Colin, this
screams vintage Aaron Rodgers tongue in cheek.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
What say you.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I think Aaron at this point has pivoted to toying
with the media every chance he gets, so anything, I mean,
I think Aaron does things for a purpose. He's very intentional,
Like I think everything's plans. So when he talks about
Devonte and he texts Davonte, he knows it'll get out.
And I think Aaron is very intentional with everything he does.
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Like Aaron at this point is not in the super
Bowl bubble, doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in
the media bubble and the brand bubble, and so I
think he tends to be. He would never admit this.
It's not cool to admit you like to be in
the media as an athlete. You know, you want to
be like low key about it. But I think Aaron's
very good at generating news about Aaron.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Aaron is calculated in this area in the sense that
I'm in a golf tournament, this isn't a great opportunity
for me to say, hey, DeVante, you know you're my guy.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
We'll play together quickly.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
More likely that Aaron Rodgers plays with Davonte in New
York or Vegas.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
If it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think Aaron's gonna shut it down after New York.
You know, he's got a lot of money, and I
think Aaron's gonna shut it down and do other things.
I mean, listen, he didn't show up to an Ota.
He was over in Egypt. Aaron's got bigger interests, you know.
Like when Andrew Luck retired, people thought, oh, Andrew Luck's
gonna come back and play. And Andrew's like, no, I'm good.
I've heard this about Trevor Lawrence. One of the few
criticisms is he's not defined by football. He likes other stuff.
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I think Aaron will shut it down. I think if
they're disappointing this year, he shut it down. I think
if the Jets were good, because they're mostly young, most
of the best players are young, he'd bring it back
for another year.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Tyreek Kill is the latest player to name his top
five quarterbacks in the league. He had a surprise addition
to his list after being asked on a recent live
stream about his top five. He quickly rattled off Mahomes, Tua,
and Lamar. After a brief pause, Colin, he added Dak Prescott,
and then after another pause, he capped off his list
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with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He's a really fast receiver. He's not a general manager.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
There it is, Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'll go with Lamar and Patrick. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Worst Josh Allen worse justin Herbert Wor's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Burrow's fascinating because I mean think about this, Think how
good Burrow is. He's a one quarterback that can go
into arrowhead and like situationally, can beat Mahomes. He gets hurt.
Let's say, third week of September, where are you on Burrow?
Like we're getting to a point with Joe Burrow, Like
who's got to stay healthy? Like it's a real thing now.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yeah, but I've had teams tell me. I had a
GM tell me last year.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Joe Burrow is horrifying in the playoffs, and when you
consider Jamar Chase and t Higgins, that's I mean, if
you're looking for a team to really pop out of
the AFC, I don't understand why Cincinnati doesn't get enough.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Credit for that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like it's all Burrow's health.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
But let's assume for a minute that Burrow's healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, if that's a whole different conversation. But he hasn't been. Yeah,
I mean that's that's like you, that's part of his narrative.
Now he's hurt a lot, that's just part of it
he's saying. So Joel Embi part of his narrative.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I think it's different. Joe embiid seven too. He had
the foot injury coming.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Out of college.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, he's a quarterback back. For quarterbacks are not super athletic.
They get hit blindsided. I mean embiid The narrative with
MBT is he gets hurt a lot. You can't talk
about Burrow without the injuries, like it's part of it now.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Okay, So if Burrow were to get hurt again, a
substantial injury, then.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well then I think you have to draft a quarterback absolutely.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Even though you just made him the highest paid port.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Whatever you got to be on the field. I mean,
we have to be honest about this. Some guys, and
it's just genetic thing. They just get banged up more.
We've seen NBA centers get banged up more. But at
this point, like to you know, I don't know about
high school, but to a college. To NFL, it's part
of the story on two A concussions and injuries. We
have to be fair about it. If we're saying it
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for Tua, we got to say it for Joe.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yeah, that's fair. I hear it.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Ronnie James and the Lakers next Summer League game is
drawing a huge audience in Vegas. According to the league's
executive director, the Lakers Rockets matchup tonight is on the
verge of a sellout. This is the same level of
attention Winby got last season when his first Summer League
appearance sold out. O'clin I spent time in that arena,
Thomas and Mack. It's cavernous, it's big.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
The fact that a Summer League game with the Lakers,
who do draw well, but the fact that it's sold
out because of Ronnie, it's pretty ridiculous. Even I think
the most anti Ronnie fifty to fifth pick fan would say.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
That's pretty bad. That's that's wild.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean it seems like Zion Wemby Browny. There always
tends to be a story at the Summer League that
league's done a really good job to generate, like a
story or two every year. If I recall last year,
Wemby played the game and then sat it out and
a lot of it. But I think, you know, Brownie's
not a sensational player. To me, he is at best
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a rotational middle to deep bench guy. Could be totally wrong,
but he's much smaller than you know. He's a six foot.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
One combo guard off guard.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
He's not really a true point. So I'm not sure
exactly what he is, but it doesn't surprise. Summer League.
NBA has done a really good job with her Summer league.
It's become a thing. It's now. It's also a pretty
spartan time of the year for us. There's not a
lot to talk about in July until Cam's open.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
The reason why it's smart to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, but it's Summer league's a real thing. I mean,
it's it's it's grown. I you know, I used to
work there and it was it's exploded over the last
ten years. It's totally exploding.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, he used to have it all over They had
it in Boston. Now they started in Salt Lake. They
do the Sacramento thing, and then it culminates in Vegas,
which is cool.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
The guys want to go to Vegas. It's a good
it's a good it's a good thing.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Speaking of Las Vegas and Team USA, B Anthony Edwards
made his debut with the national team during their exhibition
game against Canada this week. He came off the bench Collins,
scoring thirteen points in the w and after the game
and admitted that he was definitely nervous for his first
game action with the Olympic team. This is why people
love Anthony Edwards. It's not just the rim rattling dunks
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and the beautiful step backs and look at that stroke.
It's not just the talent that he uses with it's
the charisma and the honesty and I think even more
so the vulnerability.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
That's that's what fans can relate to.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
He's like, he's a big kid, he's super talented, and
he's the future of the league. But the fact that
he's willing to say, you know what, I was nervous
for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That was tough for me.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. I think when you go and look at most
in the in my era of NBA, Bird was feisty,
He's fighting doctor j and Jordan was feisty, chip on
his shoulder. Most of the guys now like Jason Tatum, collaborative,
Devin Booker, chill, Steph Curry. Everybody likes it. Yeah, I
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mean there's no I mean even Kyrie I think kind
of pivoted, rebounded, kind of likable.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
This year.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's Lucas feisty, no question Luca's feisty, but Aunt is
very much. I mean, these guys have played together in AAU,
you know, they played multiple games together. I think Ant
That's why he feels like face of the league, likable,
not a lot of angst, spectacularly talented, dynamic sort of game.
(28:53):
I think by the I think Wemby and Aunt because
I don't think Jason Tatum's a face of the league guy,
no game, he doesn't want it.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
A really good player, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
No, he's not same with Devin Booker really good players.
I think at the trade I think at the trade
deadline midway through the season, we will look at Wemby
and Ant as the face of the league, Jokic as
the best player. I don't think Luke is the face
of the league. I think he's a great, great score.
But the arguing with the refs.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
You know, wears you down.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
As a fan, he does, he wears you down. I
think Ant and Wemby are kind of chill guys, dynamic,
like all time dynamic games. They feel like historically the
face of the league.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Also with Ant that he he could be polarizing, but
I think he likes to be honest, and because he's honest,
you you almost want to root for him even if
he's not on your team. I found myself as a
fan saying I want more Ann Edwards in the playoffs. Yeah,
you know, he's he understands I think too, the fact
that I grew up playing AU with these guys. We
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may be friends, but the fact that he's willing to
go out of KD, willing to say the book or
I should be starting over you.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
I mean that's as a fan you kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, I do. Jordan with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
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Speaker 1 (30:12):
Lake Corum, who's unbelievable running back at Michigan. The Rams
got him in the third round and he'll have a
major impact with Sean McVay Matt Stafford's offense. He'll be
joining us last hour can't wait for that. Some Jim
Harbass story isn't amazing. Jim Harbaugh's now in LA. It's awesome,
it really is. It's just it's incredible. You know, the
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coaches now are rock stars in the NFL. When did
that happen?
Speaker 6 (30:39):
When was that shit?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, I want to talk about something next. That's about that.
That that there's I just saw some data on the NFL.
It's it's really crazy how big a part of the
NFL's become. And I'll share that with you next.
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Speaker 9 (31:05):
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Speaker 2 (31:09):
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Speaker 9 (31:10):
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
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Speaker 6 (31:19):
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Speaker 2 (31:20):
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Speaker 1 (31:23):
You took those clips totally of context.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
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Speaker 9 (31:33):
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Speaker 8 (31:42):
Sunday, the Summer of Stars CAFs off with two huge
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and the Euro Final coverage begins at one pm Eastern.
Then in primetime, Messi and Argentina defend their Copa America
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Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's just gonna be great. You know, we were talking about
Aaron Rodgers. Almost as a rule in sports, if a
great person leaves, there's a huge drop off. Brady leaves
the Patriots, it's a tire fire. Pila Chick gets fired.
Harball left the Niners. They were a mess for two years.
(32:23):
Pete Carroll leaves usc they've never recovered. Mac Brown leaves Texas.
They don't recover. I mean, Urban Meyer leaves Florida like
if you go fine. Quarterbacks leave like Peyton Manning left
Andrew Luck came in. That is so rare, so rare.
(32:44):
But in most instances, even Aaron Rodgers replacing Farv the
first year Green Bay was six and ten, it was
a huge drop off. Coaches, quarterbacks, NBA stars they leave,
there is a noticeable drop off. Aaron leaves the Packers
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by Thanksgiving. They're a better football team. What does that
tell you Either Jordan Love is better than Aaron or
Aaron as a unifier as an elevator of others is overstated.
I mean, look at what happened to Belichick when Tom left.
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Bill Belichick, best coach ever, can't win games. You start
looking every time Harbaugh leaves a place. Michigan. Michigan this
year is gonna be a six win team. Like that's greatness.
You leave a wake, It's not just what you do
when you arrive. It's easy to blame Aaron for the
(33:46):
Jets problems, but he was hurt. But doesn't it say
something that I mean, Listen, Aikman left the Cowboys, never
the same. Bradshaw leaves the Steelers until they get Big Ben.
They were just a team. By the way Big Ben
leaves offense is unwatchable. But Aaron leaves the Packers they
(34:08):
were a better team. By Thanksgiving. I know you say
you're picking on Aaron, but my take has always been
on Aeron. He's like an NBA star. OBJ had a
little bit of this. The brand's big, the aesthetics, beautiful,
unbelievable talent. Does it make teams better? Again? I get
the MVP awards, I get that, but I mean, listen,
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have to ask yourself. John Elway left the Broncos until
they went and bought Peyton Manning. They were never the
same franchise. That's how big Bradshaw of the Steelers. That's
how big Terry was. That's how big Elway was, how
big Aateman was. It's very rare when Montana leaves and
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Steve Young steps in, that's like historically rare. But even
with Farvan Rodgers, I mean, Aaron gott to sit for
three years the first year and they took over a
good team. That was a good there's a good team
with six and ten Aaron leaves, Packers are better. They
go on the road to Dallas and thrash them. So
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either that's telling me Aaron's value to the team, He's
eleven and ten in the playoffs is overstated, which I
think or Jordan loves just better than Aaron. That's quite
a leap considering he had eight weeks. So it's not
that Aaron's not gifted. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying,
is he a unifier and an elevator? Because all the
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Jet fans think he is. It's Mecca, it's he's gonna change. No,
He'll just be pretty and complete some passes and be
fun to watch. Will he unify the team? I don't
see that. By the way, I talked about the NFL
thing I want to talk about. This is a massive number.
The city of Detroit says that the draft just a draft.
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Nobody even watches the baseball or hockey drafts. We barely
watch the NBA draft. The NFL draft generated in economic
impact two hundred and thirteen million dollars for the city
of Detroit. I think the smartest thing the NFL has
done in a decade is make the draft a traveling event.
(36:20):
You can hold Marty Garvey year in Nollins. You can
hold the Emmys or Oscars in your cities. You got
to move the draft. And the NFL has always seen
their sport as a TV show. They don't get, you know,
paralyzed by tradition or you know, esthetics. It's a television show,
and the Draft is a remarkable production. In fact, years ago,
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when I came to Fox, you know, they asked me
about some people that we should bring over or events,
and I said, in my opinion, the most underscored, underappreciated
event on sports is the NFL Draft. I said, it
feels like a football weekend. You have the regular season,
the playoff weekends. The draft feels like a regular season weekend.
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It's that big. It outdraws NBA, NHL, and baseball games
like all their regular season games. But if you watch
what the NFL has done in recent years, they've kind
of kicked the Pro Bowl to the curb. They don't
care about the NFL network, they don't care about the Combine,
they don't care about the preseason anymore. They have double
and tripled down on the NFL Draft, and it feels
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like an NFL weekend. And it's really interesting because I
think part of the secret sauce of the NFL is
that they embrace college football. They see it as a
marketing platform. So a Baker Mayfield, a Tim Tebow, a
Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. You put your arms around
him in college. You watch those Ohio State clems in
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Georgia games, you feel like you know the players, and
the NFL embraces it. It's like, hey, they're microwaving and
marketing and promoting our stars. That's why our rookie can
walk into the NFL and like be impactful not only
as a player but as a personality. The NBA colossally
bizarre to me that I've never understood that, and I
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like Adam Silver, but they almost resent college basketball. Why
aren't you paying the kids? You're not paying college football
players for three and four years because they're college kids.
Who cares? Nobody get We're all interns in college. Nobody
made any money in college. We were all eating pizza,
we were all broke. But the NBA, instead of using
college basketball, is this wonderful marketing platform. Did you see
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the ratings for March badness? Forget the men, you see
the women's You're not getting that in the G League
and the International basketball. Introduce the country to all your stars
instead of a G League guy who goes to a
bad team doesn't make the playoff for six years. Give
me a break. Only reason I know, Zion. I mean,
doesn't everybody want to watch Cooper Flag next year at Duke?
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I can't wait to watch him. And as the NBA
gets more international, there's only a handful of domestic players
that you can have marketed at Kansas, at Duke, at Carolina,
at Yukon. Embrace college basketball. It's free mar Every business
that starts in America wants one thing, free marketing. Every
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business needs marketing. It could be Tesla, it could be Amazon,
it could be a startup tech. They're all dying for
free publicity. That's what college sports is. And the NFL
Draft is the singular convergence of college football and NFL football.
And it is a monster two hundred and thirteen million
(39:39):
dollars in economic impact. You don't have to build a
new stadium. You don't have you know, you don't have
bidding rights. The NFL just says, hey, let's bring it
to Detroit. Two hundred thirteen million dollars. And you've seen
these scenes in Chicago, Philly, Nashville, Detroit. The whole city
is for two days from Goodell getting booed the TV cameras.
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It makes everything look like a chamber of commerce. Photo
it's such a big deal, and the NFL deserves credit
for understanding that college football is your ally, it's your friend.
It's free marketing. NBA, embrace March madness. It's getting like
you're getting seven eight million people watching a Kansas Duke
Michigan basketball game, and that kid's gonna go to the
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Houston Rockets. Promote him. Embrace G League. Who watching the
G League. You're playing to your diehards. The NBA is
doing what baseball does. They play to their diehards, play
to the casuals. The NFL gets that they play to
the casual They want your sister who doesn't love football,
she made you know your brother who's not that interested.
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They're they're seeking casuals. It's a TV show. Take the
marketing and run with it.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome Back, Hour two and a Friday live in LA.
It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jordan Schultz is joining me jmac back next week. He's
somewhere abroad. No idea where I know. I can't keep
up travels the globe. So last couple of nights, I've
(00:47):
been staying home because I was on vacation and I
want to kind of get back into sports, and I was.
I watched the Dodgers Stilly Series the last couple of nights. Folks,
It's official. The Phillies are the best team in baseball,
and I'm not sure it's for tick close. They overwhelm
the Dodgers. Now, the Dodgers have some injuries to deal with,
but they outscore Tom nineteen to five in the series,
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and it was not close. The Phillies are the best
team in baseball. They have the best pitching in baseball,
the best run differential Kyle Schwarber and Bryce Harper. They
have power Aaron Nolan, and they probably have the best
ace first or second best ace. Their pitching staff is
like old school, so they eat up innings so their
Bullpenzo is fresh, Brandon marsh Alec Bonnett third. If you
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watched any of the series, like, it wasn't close. Now,
Philadelphia plays so well at home that there's no home
field advantage. Generally in baseball, it's the next day's pitcher.
I'm sorry, but the Phillies are better at home. That
is a home field. That's a football home field advantage.
Philadelphia is loaded, and the Dodgers are in a weird
place because they have a massive payroll, number one in
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attendant stars everywhere, but the pitching they can't stay healthy.
Y'amamoto now hurt, Clayton Kershaw still hurt, Walker Bueller still
in rehab. They had to demote a starting pitcher because
his mechanics got off track down to minor league baseball.
But if you watched any of this series. The Phillies
were better than the Dodgers at everything, starting pitching, power, hitting,
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situational defense. It wasn't close. And now some of it's
the Dodgers are banged up. But I felt after the
Dodgers played the Yankees, you came out of that series
and said, the Dodgers are the better team than the Yankees.
And the Yankees have struggled the Dodgers right now and
some of its injuries, they're not close to Philadelphia. Here's
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Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They're clearly playing a lot better baseball than we are.
They're clearly a better team than we are right now.
You know, we really didn't do much well of this series,
starting pitching defense. You know, we had a mistake to
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on the basis, you know, like I was saying, no
one's gonna feel sorry for you. Got to play better.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, and in Philadelphia is a great watch. It feels
a little bit like old Yankee Stadium, where you literally
felt in later innings the crowd played a part. And
we said that in football all the time, especially college football.
But you watch the Phillies at home, that's an advantage.
That team feeds off the energy of that crowd. Well,
I was gone Monday and Tuesday and Danny Parkins filled in.
(03:25):
Super talented guy out of Chicago's did a great job
filling this for us on the show and our staff
just loved him. And he is joining us live now
before he does his effort in the show in Chicago.
First of all, thanks for filling in. It was a
real treat to watch you and the staff loved you
and thanks for that. I appreciate your work.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Oh well, thank you for the compliment, and honestly, it
was really nice because people like, oh, Colin Coward, it's
a one man band. No, no, no, yeah, there's many
many people in this band, And now I know the
true genius behind the brains that is Colin Coward.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Your staff is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's right. It's like the Wizard of Oz. You go
behind the curtain and it's not He's not really doing
that much. So I want to talk about the Bears,
U and I and I said this yesterday when Justin
Fields went for just a six round pick. It's actually
good news for the Bears because NFL personnel people are
telling you, yeah, the gap between Caleb and Justin is
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the Grand Canyon and you still won seven games with
that quarterback, So in a weird way, going for a
six round pick, to me, I felt like, oh, this
team's ready to win now. And I don't want to
get too hyperbolic on it because it's the Bears and
they you know that culturally they're always off. But if
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you ask your typical listener, and fans can be you
know they're fans, they're highly they emote. But I don't
think it's crazy to say to say, yeah, this this,
this can be a playoff team. Does that seem too
much too soon?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
We saw CJ.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Stroud win a playoff game last year and he did
not enter a situation that was half as good, at
least how we thought about it twelve months ago as
the one that Caleb Williams is walking into. And we
know that Caleb was a higher level prospect than CJ. Strouds.
So we see rookie quarterbacks, if they are talented and
they go into good situations, have success early. Justin Herbert,
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he had thirty one touchdowns and ten interceptions as a rookie.
I don't know why Caleb Williams couldn't be the first
Bears quarterback ever to throw for thirty touchdowns or the
first Bears quarterback ever to throw for four thousand yards
as a rookie. And if they won seven games without him,
the expectation is certainly to win more than seven games
with them, because it's not just him that they added.
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They should have upgraded at play caller. They certainly upgraded
at wide receiver two with Keenan Allen. They certainly upgraded
at wide receiver three with Roma Dunza, they upgraded with
DeAndre Swift. This offense should have gotten a lot better
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So we were talking earlier. We got into a debate
on Dak Prescott, and I've always said, if you look
at the numbers, basically he's Kirk Cousins with a star
in his helmet, that he's a bigger brand. But Kirk,
whenever you pay Kirk, it's what are you doing? And
if you don't pay Dak, it's what are you doing?
And the truth is their numbers are virtually the same.
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Kirk throws a better or more accurate ball. Dak's the
better athlete, but they're kind of b plus guys who
have made a money And I believe there is a
truth serum in the NFL, you can win a Super
Bowl on a rookie quarterback contract or having an all
time great making money. You cannot be a super Bowl
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team with a B plus quarterback making A plus money.
And so I think it's all fear based when I
hear what do you do if you don't have Dak?
And my takeaway is you figure it out. I mean
the Niners whiffed on Trey Lanson went and got brought purty.
You figure it out. What do you do with Dak?
If you ran the Cowboys? You pay him?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And you can accuse me of being fear based, Colin,
But they don't have Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
They have Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Mike McCarthy only wins playoff games if he has Aaron Rodgers.
So I don't think that you can say, well, they'll
just figure it out. I have no faith in their
ability to figure it out, and we need to learn
something from history. You're right, he puts up great stats.
The Kirk Cousins comp I don't think is wildly unfair.
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But Kirk Cousins, at thirty five years old, coming off
a ruptured achilles, just got one hundred million guaranteed up
to one hundred and eighty million dollars. Dak Prescott is
thirty years old. He's home grown. He used to be
twenty three and six and a conservative, checkdown, risk averse
quarterback every year. This past year, they led the league
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in points, he led the league in passing touchdowns. He's
thirty years old. He's coming off the best season of
his career. He's the runner up for MVP. I think
it's totally reasonable to think that he's got a ceiling
that is higher than Kirk Cousins. We just saw it
this past year, at least in terms of how he
finished relative to the league. Winning twelve games three straight years.
They have no alternative. They're too good to draft high
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to draft a replacement. I understand that he'll be ten
percent overpaid, but the Falcons said, we can't do it
with Desmond Ritter anymore. We've got to get competency at
that position. The alternative is what Cooper rush Trey Lance.
So yeah, call it fear based if you want, but
it's a binary thing. It's a have and have not league,
and if you have a quarterback, I think you have
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to pay him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
If it's Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The other debate I get into is Aaron Rodgers, and
I said, Aaron's always been polarizing because he replaced maybe
the most popular player in my life in Brett Farr,
and they had a little few. So that's like Lebron
and Michael Jordan. Michael was more loved. Whether you think
Lebron's better, Michael was more beloved. Whoever replaces Michael is
going to get heat unless maybe your magic right. So
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like Aaron, it was tough. You're replacing in small town America,
the most beloved player in the league, and then he
has vaccine opinions and political opinions. But I don't care.
I don't care who you vote for. My guess is
most quarterbacks are conservative. I don't care. But my knock
on him is always Ben. I always say, little bit
of a Baylor more than a baller. He's not a
(09:18):
foxhole guy. Twenty one playoff games, one come from behind.
He's great with the lead, he's great in great weather,
but he's lost home playoff games as a favorite to Garoppolo,
old Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick, and I've said, I feel,
what if you go to the heart of his career
and the heart of Akman's, Bradshaw, Brady Manning, Ben Warner.
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It doesn't stack up. It's an NBA career where he's rich,
he's got a big brand. It's esthetically pleasing. I like Aaron.
I think we've anoyted him to a class. It doesn't
feel like he belongs. And you think I'm nuts.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I think you're absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
There is some level of eye test that we have
to apply to this sort of thing, because it is
you know this, it's the ultimate team game. One player
cannot just win you a Super Bowl. I mean I
lost a bunch of money when Mike McCarthy took the
ball out of Aaron Rodgers's hands in an NFC championship
game where they were up twelve in the fourth quarter
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against Seattle, and this guy's settling for field goals inside
the five yard line, and like, no, I'll give it
to Eddie Lacy.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Like that was purely on Mike McCarthy, not on Aaron Rodgers.
The only guy in league history with more MVPs than
Rogers is Peyton Manning. Only ten guys ever have multiple MVPs.
He's got four. He's got a ring He's about to
pass Marino this year for eighth all time in passing yards. Like,
if Aaron Rodgers isn't an all time great, is Drew
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Brees not an all time great? He's only been to
one Super Bowl, he only has one ring, He's second
all time in passing yards, he has no MVPs. I
think we would say that Breeze is at all time guy.
So if Aaron Rodgers, who impacted the influence of the
style of play, the off angle throws, the off timing throws.
Patrick Mahomes has said Rogers's style of play influences him.
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Caleb Williams has said his favorite quarterback ever to watch
is Aaron Rodgers. The modern great quarterbacks that dominate football.
They steal from this guy, just like in the NBA
people steal from Steph Curry. So he doesn't have the rings. True,
I blame Mike McCarthy for that. It's a team sport.
There's no doubt in my mind that Aaron Rodgers is
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an all time great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Had not a bad argument. That's pretty decent argument. There
there is an influence thing. I've been defending Steph Curry
forever that he's the most he's more influential than Lebron.
He's not the player, but he's more influential. And yeah,
so I want to go WNBA. I think this is fascinating.
I said, the NBA, it's not that Magic and Birds
(11:58):
saved it, but they made it hi commercial. They meet
in college, and then Magic wins a title and then
Bird wins the next and neither one dominated the rivalry,
and that's why it was a rivalry. The reason Brady
and Big Ben don't feel like rivalries and Brady and
Manning do is there was more give and take with
Manning and Brady, especially at the end when Manning started winning.
(12:19):
More is that, I said, I think it's great if
Caitlin Clark gets snubbed by the Olympics and Angel Reese
wins Rookie of the Year, it will incentivize the Caitlin Clark.
They're like Swifties, like Taylor Swift. When she was dissed
by Kanye, it empowered and bold in her fan base
(12:40):
to be more supportive. She's never looked back, and I
find the pushback of Angel reason Caitlin Clark and I
argue to truly change the league and not just your
pocket book. It's better for the league that Angel Reese
wins Rookie of the Year. Am I nuts on that too?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well? I think your nuts if you think it's gonna happen,
at least according to the odds makers. I think Caitlin's
got a pretty I saw minus three point fifty minus
four hundred for her to win Rookie of the Year
some places as a couple of weeks ago is minus
eight hundred, So it's moving in Angel Reese's direction, but
she's still an overwhelming favorite. In terms of what the
rivalries are good for sports, one of my main principles
(13:19):
in doing this is I want less hate in the
world and more Hayden sports because rivalries are fun. Trash
talk is fun. It's okay, like we don't need to
protect these people from our delicate, fragile sensibilities. Like they
are elite, world class athletes who get paid handsomely, who
have chosen to enter the life that they have, and
it's okay. We can talk about it and be critical
(13:40):
and debate it and everyone's gonna be fine. And so
I like the bird Magic comparison. But another thing that
I think factors into that is the WNBA has had
stars in the past. They've had great college players in
the past, Diana Tarrossi, Sue Byrd, Candice Parker. These were
college basketball stars. But and you know this as much
as anyone you're as media savvy in the sports, we
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weren't watching them in college like we watched Caitlin Clark
and Angel Rees. The numbers for the women's Final Four
in terms of TV ratings is still one of the
most shocking things to me of the last ten years
in sports media. They were getting more viewers than big
time college football games like non bcs, like National Championship
College Football playoff game was like.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Oh the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Nope, more people watched Iowa women's basketball in the Final four. Okay, well,
we're not surprised when college football players that we care about,
to Shawn Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield, whomever, come into
the NFL and we already have opinions about them because
twenty million people watch their games in college. So everyone
had an opinion about Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees before
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they got to the pros. And now we're in our corners.
We're defending narratives, we're arguing about it and that is
the thing that I think is healthiest for the sport
that they have a rivalry that dates back to when
tens of millions of people saw their origin story.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I said, I got so many questions. I was
kind of taken back by how many people on my
vacation came up out east and said, what do you
make about Brownie being drafted to the Lakers. And here's
my analogy the people angry with it. I said, if
you went to a steakhouse for ten years, and you
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took clients there for ten years, and you spend a
lot of money on your AMEX card for ten years,
when you go to that steakhouse, you expect a little
better poor on the pino and the table you want,
right right. Lebron's carried the league for twenty years, the
league ozim a solid, He wasn't in the playoffs. He
and Steph this year didn't have playoff runs. The ratings tanked.
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So I'm like, folks, this is the way America works.
You oh brought twenty years of never in trouble, always
a good guy talking about the way to play the game.
Are you surprised by the outrage of it? And did
it bother you that maybe a G League level player
got drafted by Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
No, it's how the world works.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
And I mean, it's an interesting point about what the
NBA owes him, but it's really the Lakers. The NBA
didn't draft Bronni. The Lakers drafted Bronni for Lebron, and
he delivered them a championship in the bubble, So I
get it. The only thing I have a problem with
is the stuff that seems to be coming out of
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the Lebron camp of how that they don't have as
much influence in all of this.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
As it just it defies logic. They hired his podcast
co host to be the coach of the team. He
said his favorite player in college basketball other than Bronni
was Dalton Connect And they drafted Bronni and Dalton Connect
and we're supposed to be like.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
And Lebron has no influence in this offseason like that?
Come on, just say what you just said.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Lebron James is the biggest star in the world. He's
carried the league, he's carried the franchise. He's leading the
huddle at Team USA after their wins. The star among
stars everybody respects him. And oh yeah, by the way,
Lebron might honestly be able to say, sure, Bronny isn't
totally ready for the NBA, but you know what has
a better shot at getting him ready for the NBA
(17:18):
playing in the NBA, training in the NBA. Watch how
I play and train in the NBA. Because Lebron got
to the NBA as soon as possible. What is better
to develop a player the NBA or USC.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
It's clearly the NBA. So Lebron's doing his kid a
solid because he can. Is nepotism a great thing?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
No, obviously not, but I'm not going to pretend to
be outraged that it exists.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, we appreciate you filling in. You did such a
great job. The staff was so complimentary, and yes, yes,
part of the success of this show is the people
behind the scenes. Let's not give them too much credit.
You know, the egos behind the scenes and the graphic department.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Are a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So we've got a slop.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, no, compared to your ego. I know. That's what
everybody said around there.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There were just like God, the graphics guy, it's just
can we fit his head through the door.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Danny Parkin, super talented guy. Love seeing you again, buddy, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Colin talks soon.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yep. Weekdays in Chicago. If you're in the city, turn
it on. He's fantastic. Yeah, we got a heck of
a staff here, we really do. I'm excited for the Bears.
I've felt for the last seven or eight years. And
he made a really good point in the AFC c J.
Stroud won a playoff game in the Superior Conference. It's
not outrageous that Caleb Williams goes to Chicago with the
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best offensive skill that the Bears have probably had since
the peak J Cutler years. They had al Sean and Jeffrey.
They have good, pretty good offensive group. You go to
the last ten, twelve, fifteen years, this is the most talented.
You know, Chicago's always on the wrong side of the ball.
Right as the league pivoted to offense, the Bears were
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clinging to defense. Pittsburgh's doing that now. But they're just
a better run version of Chicago where you have old owners.
You're kind of stuck in the past. But Pittsburgh's well run.
Chicago historically hasn't been well run. They never had a
great quarterback, so it's very interesting. They get Ryan Poles.
The GM comes in and you know, they hire Bill
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Paulian's part of the draft. The coaching thing. They put
a defensive coach in to an organization that has been grabbing,
holding on for dear life to defense. And they actually
first two draft picks both offense. Spent money offense, and
that's a big pivot for the Chicago Bears. Green Bay
(19:39):
has always been ahead of the curve. That's why they
win the division. Green Bay has been pro offense since
Holme Gren, Mike Sherman, Matt LeFleur. I mean they and
what they've done. What's interesting. They draft defense in the
first round usually, and then they draft and developed the
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offense later. Green Bay has been dominating this division because
they got offense right, they get quarterback right. Chicago's had
better defenses than green Bay. It's the bigger city, it's
the better free agent market. They have an actual owner,
but they're clinging to the past. I think they finally
when they got Roma Dunze with the second pick, they
said we're gonna double down on offense again. It was
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like wow, Wow, I figured they get you know, Dallas
Turner the UCLA edge and they're like, no, we're gonna
take another receiver. That was like a moment in time
that Chicago with a defensive head coach on the hot seat,
who could really and the team needs a head drusher
and they didn't take one. It's like, Wow, the Bears
(20:43):
have pivoted. Now will the Steelers do it? Will they
pivot and spend more money on the offensive side?
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Speaker 2 (21:12):
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Speaker 8 (21:18):
Colin Anthony, Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams were one of
the premier quarterback receiver duels when they've played together in
Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
The two are still.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Close friends and Aaron has his eye on a potential return.
He even said he can't wait to play with Davante
again someday and Davante confirmed that Aaron is always in
his ear about joining forces. Now to me, Colin, this
screams vintage Aaron Rodgers tongue in cheek.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
What say you.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I think Aaron at this point has pivoted to toying
with the media every chance he gets, so anything, I mean,
I think Aaron does things for a purpose. He's very intentional,
Like I think everything's plans. So when he talks about
Devonte and he texts Davonte, he knows it'll get out.
And I think Aaron is very intentional with everything he does.
(22:08):
Like Aaron at this point is not in the super
Bowl bubble, doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in
the media bubble and the brand bubble, and so I
think he tends to be. He would never admit this.
It's not cool to admit you like to be in
the media as an athlete. You know, you want to
be like low key about it. But I think Aaron's
very good at generating news about Aaron.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Aaron is calculated in this area in the sense that
I'm in a golf tournament, this isn't a great opportunity
for me to say, hey, DeVante, you know you're my guy.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
We'll play together quickly.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
More likely that Aaron Rodgers plays with Davonte in New
York or Vegas.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
If it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think Aaron's gonna shut it down after New York.
You know, he's got a lot of money, and I
think Aaron's gonna shut it down and do other things.
I mean, listen, he didn't show up to an Ota.
He was over in Egypt. Aaron's got bigger interests, you know.
Like when Andrew Luck retired, people thought, oh, Andrew Luck's
gonna come back and play. And Andrew's like, no, I'm good.
I've heard this about Trevor Lawrence. One of the few
criticisms is he's not defined by football. He likes other stuff.
(23:07):
I think Aaron will shut it down. I think if
they're disappointing this year, he shut it down. I think
if the Jets were good, because they're mostly young, most
of the best players are young, he'd bring it back
for another year.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Tyreek Kill is the latest player to name his top
five quarterbacks in the league. He had a surprise addition
to his list after being asked on a recent live
stream about his top five. He quickly rattled off Mahomes, Tua,
and Lamar. After a brief pause, Colin, he added Dak Prescott,
and then after another pause, he capped off his list
(23:39):
with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He's a really fast receiver. He's not a general manager.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
There it is, Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'll go with Lamar and Patrick. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Worst Josh Allen worse justin Herbert Wor's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Burrow's fascinating because I mean think about this, Think how
good Burrow is. He's a one quarterback that can go
into arrowhead and like situationally, can beat Mahomes. He gets hurt.
Let's say, third week of September, where are you on Burrow?
Like we're getting to a point with Joe Burrow, Like
who's got to stay healthy? Like it's a real thing now.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yeah, but I've had teams tell me. I had a
GM tell me last year.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Joe Burrow is horrifying in the playoffs, and when you
consider Jamar Chase and t Higgins, that's I mean, if
you're looking for a team to really pop out of
the AFC, I don't understand why Cincinnati doesn't get enough.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Credit for that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like it's all Burrow's health.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
But let's assume for a minute that Burrow's healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, if that's a whole different conversation. But he hasn't been. Yeah,
I mean that's that's like you, that's part of his narrative.
Now he's hurt a lot, that's just part of it
he's saying. So Joel Embi part of his narrative.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I think it's different. Joe embiid seven too. He had
the foot injury coming.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Out of college.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, he's a quarterback back. For quarterbacks are not super athletic.
They get hit blindsided. I mean embiid The narrative with
MBT is he gets hurt a lot. You can't talk
about Burrow without the injuries, like it's part of it now.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Okay, So if Burrow were to get hurt again, a
substantial injury, then.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well then I think you have to draft a quarterback absolutely.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Even though you just made him the highest paid port.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Whatever you got to be on the field. I mean,
we have to be honest about this. Some guys, and
it's just genetic thing. They just get banged up more.
We've seen NBA centers get banged up more. But at
this point, like to you know, I don't know about
high school, but to a college. To NFL, it's part
of the story on two A concussions and injuries. We
have to be fair about it. If we're saying it
(25:29):
for Tua, we got to say it for Joe.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yeah, that's fair. I hear it.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Ronnie James and the Lakers next Summer League game is
drawing a huge audience in Vegas. According to the league's
executive director, the Lakers Rockets matchup tonight is on the
verge of a sellout. This is the same level of
attention Winby got last season when his first Summer League
appearance sold out. O'clin I spent time in that arena,
Thomas and Mack. It's cavernous, it's big.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
The fact that a Summer League game with the Lakers,
who do draw well, but the fact that it's sold
out because of Ronnie, it's pretty ridiculous. Even I think
the most anti Ronnie fifty to fifth pick fan would say.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
That's pretty bad. That's that's wild.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean it seems like Zion Wemby Browny. There always
tends to be a story at the Summer League that
league's done a really good job to generate, like a
story or two every year. If I recall last year,
Wemby played the game and then sat it out and
a lot of it. But I think, you know, Brownie's
not a sensational player. To me, he is at best
(26:31):
a rotational middle to deep bench guy. Could be totally wrong,
but he's much smaller than you know. He's a six foot.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
One combo guard off guard.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
He's not really a true point. So I'm not sure
exactly what he is, but it doesn't surprise. Summer League.
NBA has done a really good job with her Summer league.
It's become a thing. It's now. It's also a pretty
spartan time of the year for us. There's not a
lot to talk about in July until Cam's open.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
The reason why it's smart to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, but it's Summer league's a real thing. I mean,
it's it's it's grown. I you know, I used to
work there and it was it's exploded over the last
ten years. It's totally exploding.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, he used to have it all over They had
it in Boston. Now they started in Salt Lake. They
do the Sacramento thing, and then it culminates in Vegas,
which is cool.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
The guys want to go to Vegas. It's a good
it's a good it's a good thing.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Speaking of Las Vegas and Team USA, B Anthony Edwards
made his debut with the national team during their exhibition
game against Canada this week. He came off the bench Collins,
scoring thirteen points in the w and after the game
and admitted that he was definitely nervous for his first
game action with the Olympic team. This is why people
love Anthony Edwards. It's not just the rim rattling dunks
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and the beautiful step backs and look at that stroke.
It's not just the talent that he uses with it's
the charisma and the honesty and I think even more
so the vulnerability.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
That's that's what fans can relate to.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
He's like, he's a big kid, he's super talented, and
he's the future of the league. But the fact that
he's willing to say, you know what, I was nervous
for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That was tough for me.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. I think when you go and look at most
in the in my era of NBA, Bird was feisty,
He's fighting doctor j and Jordan was feisty, chip on
his shoulder. Most of the guys now like Jason Tatum, collaborative,
Devin Booker, chill, Steph Curry. Everybody likes it. Yeah, I
(28:26):
mean there's no I mean even Kyrie I think kind
of pivoted, rebounded, kind of likable.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
This year.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's Lucas feisty, no question Luca's feisty, but Aunt is
very much. I mean, these guys have played together in AAU,
you know, they played multiple games together. I think Ant
That's why he feels like face of the league, likable,
not a lot of angst, spectacularly talented, dynamic sort of game.
(28:53):
I think by the I think Wemby and Aunt because
I don't think Jason Tatum's a face of the league guy,
no game, he doesn't want it.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
A really good player, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
No, he's not same with Devin Booker really good players.
I think at the trade I think at the trade
deadline midway through the season, we will look at Wemby
and Ant as the face of the league, Jokic as
the best player. I don't think Luke is the face
of the league. I think he's a great, great score.
But the arguing with the refs.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
You know, wears you down.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
As a fan, he does, he wears you down. I
think Ant and Wemby are kind of chill guys, dynamic,
like all time dynamic games. They feel like historically the
face of the league.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Also with Ant that he he could be polarizing, but
I think he likes to be honest, and because he's honest,
you you almost want to root for him even if
he's not on your team. I found myself as a
fan saying I want more Ann Edwards in the playoffs. Yeah,
you know, he's he understands I think too, the fact
that I grew up playing AU with these guys. We
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may be friends, but the fact that he's willing to
go out of KD, willing to say the book or
I should be starting over you.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
I mean that's as a fan you kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, I do. Jordan with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Lake Corum, who's unbelievable running back at Michigan. The Rams
got him in the third round and he'll have a
major impact with Sean McVay Matt Stafford's offense. He'll be
joining us last hour can't wait for that. Some Jim
Harbass story isn't amazing. Jim Harbaugh's now in LA. It's awesome,
it really is. It's just it's incredible. You know, the
(30:34):
coaches now are rock stars in the NFL. When did
that happen?
Speaker 6 (30:39):
When was that shit?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, I want to talk about something next. That's about that.
That that there's I just saw some data on the NFL.
It's it's really crazy how big a part of the
NFL's become. And I'll share that with you next.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
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Paually Fools go Ahead with Tony Fosco.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award
winning Polly and Toni Foosco show.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
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Speaker 9 (31:10):
But instead of us telling you how great we are,
here's how Dan Packrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
What what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Were interrupting our promo? Yeah you wasn't talking about you.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
You took those clips totally of context.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Oh yeah, Well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Let me put this into context.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Shut up.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
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Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
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Speaker 8 (31:42):
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and the Euro Final coverage begins at one pm Eastern.
Then in primetime, Messi and Argentina defend their Copa America
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Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's just gonna be great. You know, we were talking about
Aaron Rodgers. Almost as a rule in sports, if a
great person leaves, there's a huge drop off. Brady leaves
the Patriots, it's a tire fire. Pila Chick gets fired.
Harball left the Niners. They were a mess for two years.
(32:23):
Pete Carroll leaves usc they've never recovered. Mac Brown leaves Texas.
They don't recover. I mean, Urban Meyer leaves Florida like
if you go fine. Quarterbacks leave like Peyton Manning left
Andrew Luck came in. That is so rare, so rare.
(32:44):
But in most instances, even Aaron Rodgers replacing Farv the
first year Green Bay was six and ten, it was
a huge drop off. Coaches, quarterbacks, NBA stars they leave,
there is a noticeable drop off. Aaron leaves the Packers
(33:04):
by Thanksgiving. They're a better football team. What does that
tell you Either Jordan Love is better than Aaron or
Aaron as a unifier as an elevator of others is overstated.
I mean, look at what happened to Belichick when Tom left.
(33:25):
Bill Belichick, best coach ever, can't win games. You start
looking every time Harbaugh leaves a place. Michigan. Michigan this
year is gonna be a six win team. Like that's greatness.
You leave a wake, It's not just what you do
when you arrive. It's easy to blame Aaron for the
(33:46):
Jets problems, but he was hurt. But doesn't it say
something that I mean, Listen, Aikman left the Cowboys, never
the same. Bradshaw leaves the Steelers until they get Big Ben.
They were just a team. By the way Big Ben
leaves offense is unwatchable. But Aaron leaves the Packers they
(34:08):
were a better team. By Thanksgiving. I know you say
you're picking on Aaron, but my take has always been
on Aeron. He's like an NBA star. OBJ had a
little bit of this. The brand's big, the aesthetics, beautiful,
unbelievable talent. Does it make teams better? Again? I get
the MVP awards, I get that, but I mean, listen,
(34:28):
have to ask yourself. John Elway left the Broncos until
they went and bought Peyton Manning. They were never the
same franchise. That's how big Bradshaw of the Steelers. That's
how big Terry was. That's how big Elway was, how
big Aateman was. It's very rare when Montana leaves and
(34:49):
Steve Young steps in, that's like historically rare. But even
with Farvan Rodgers, I mean, Aaron gott to sit for
three years the first year and they took over a
good team. That was a good there's a good team
with six and ten Aaron leaves, Packers are better. They
go on the road to Dallas and thrash them. So
(35:10):
either that's telling me Aaron's value to the team, He's
eleven and ten in the playoffs is overstated, which I
think or Jordan loves just better than Aaron. That's quite
a leap considering he had eight weeks. So it's not
that Aaron's not gifted. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying,
is he a unifier and an elevator? Because all the
(35:31):
Jet fans think he is. It's Mecca, it's he's gonna change. No,
He'll just be pretty and complete some passes and be
fun to watch. Will he unify the team? I don't
see that. By the way, I talked about the NFL
thing I want to talk about. This is a massive number.
The city of Detroit says that the draft just a draft.
(35:55):
Nobody even watches the baseball or hockey drafts. We barely
watch the NBA draft. The NFL draft generated in economic
impact two hundred and thirteen million dollars for the city
of Detroit. I think the smartest thing the NFL has
done in a decade is make the draft a traveling event.
(36:20):
You can hold Marty Garvey year in Nollins. You can
hold the Emmys or Oscars in your cities. You got
to move the draft. And the NFL has always seen
their sport as a TV show. They don't get, you know,
paralyzed by tradition or you know, esthetics. It's a television show,
and the Draft is a remarkable production. In fact, years ago,
(36:44):
when I came to Fox, you know, they asked me
about some people that we should bring over or events,
and I said, in my opinion, the most underscored, underappreciated
event on sports is the NFL Draft. I said, it
feels like a football weekend. You have the regular season,
the playoff weekends. The draft feels like a regular season weekend.
(37:06):
It's that big. It outdraws NBA, NHL, and baseball games
like all their regular season games. But if you watch
what the NFL has done in recent years, they've kind
of kicked the Pro Bowl to the curb. They don't
care about the NFL network, they don't care about the Combine,
they don't care about the preseason anymore. They have double
and tripled down on the NFL Draft, and it feels
(37:28):
like an NFL weekend. And it's really interesting because I
think part of the secret sauce of the NFL is
that they embrace college football. They see it as a
marketing platform. So a Baker Mayfield, a Tim Tebow, a
Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. You put your arms around
him in college. You watch those Ohio State clems in
(37:49):
Georgia games, you feel like you know the players, and
the NFL embraces it. It's like, hey, they're microwaving and
marketing and promoting our stars. That's why our rookie can
walk into the NFL and like be impactful not only
as a player but as a personality. The NBA colossally
bizarre to me that I've never understood that, and I
(38:10):
like Adam Silver, but they almost resent college basketball. Why
aren't you paying the kids? You're not paying college football
players for three and four years because they're college kids.
Who cares? Nobody get We're all interns in college. Nobody
made any money in college. We were all eating pizza,
we were all broke. But the NBA, instead of using
college basketball, is this wonderful marketing platform. Did you see
(38:34):
the ratings for March badness? Forget the men, you see
the women's You're not getting that in the G League
and the International basketball. Introduce the country to all your stars
instead of a G League guy who goes to a
bad team doesn't make the playoff for six years. Give
me a break. Only reason I know, Zion. I mean,
doesn't everybody want to watch Cooper Flag next year at Duke?
(38:56):
I can't wait to watch him. And as the NBA
gets more international, there's only a handful of domestic players
that you can have marketed at Kansas, at Duke, at Carolina,
at Yukon. Embrace college basketball. It's free mar Every business
that starts in America wants one thing, free marketing. Every
(39:17):
business needs marketing. It could be Tesla, it could be Amazon,
it could be a startup tech. They're all dying for
free publicity. That's what college sports is. And the NFL
Draft is the singular convergence of college football and NFL football.
And it is a monster two hundred and thirteen million
(39:39):
dollars in economic impact. You don't have to build a
new stadium. You don't have you know, you don't have
bidding rights. The NFL just says, hey, let's bring it
to Detroit. Two hundred thirteen million dollars. And you've seen
these scenes in Chicago, Philly, Nashville, Detroit. The whole city
is for two days from Goodell getting booed the TV cameras.
(40:00):
It makes everything look like a chamber of commerce. Photo
it's such a big deal, and the NFL deserves credit
for understanding that college football is your ally, it's your friend.
It's free marketing. NBA, embrace March madness. It's getting like
you're getting seven eight million people watching a Kansas Duke
Michigan basketball game, and that kid's gonna go to the
(40:23):
Houston Rockets. Promote him. Embrace G League. Who watching the
G League. You're playing to your diehards. The NBA is
doing what baseball does. They play to their diehards, play
to the casuals. The NFL gets that they play to
the casual They want your sister who doesn't love football,
she made you know your brother who's not that interested.
(40:45):
They're they're seeking casuals. It's a TV show. Take the
marketing and run with it.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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