July 12, 2024 • 12 mins
Daniel Cormier GOES IN ON Kamaru Usman after he criticized Alex Pereira on Kamaru's Pound 4 Pound podcast with Henry Cejudo. DC also argues that Islam Makhachev solidified the #1 spot in the P4P rankings after his win over Alexander Volkanovski. Cormier explains why Usman's own definition of the criteria works against him, and that both Pereira and Jon Jones are CLEARLY in the Top 3 of the UFC P4P rankings.
1:00 - Kamaru Usman "WRONG" about Alex Pereira
4:00 - Usman's career at the #1 P4P fighter
5:00 - Jon Jones and Islam Makhachev
7:00 - Why Pereira belongs in the conversation
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Speaker 2 (01:45):
Come all right, guys, Tomorrow, Swan's wrong. Tomorrow, Swan's wrong. Look,
he's my brother. I love the guy.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I believe that the guy has a very great mind
for fighting. I believe that he's one of the greatest
champions that we have ever had, especially at walts Waite.
But in terms of overall accomplishments in the UFC, I
believe that Kamarrow Uswan and his accolades will always stand
(02:16):
in the test of time. But in this instance, he's wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Kamorrow has a new podcast for here is Shu Hudo.
It's called the Pomp Pound Podcast. It is phenomenal. The
guests that they get got Shaq, they got George Masvidal,
they got so many athletes to go already, great podcast,
make sure you guys check him out. But today or recently,
Kamorrow was talking about the pound for pound rankings. Now,
(02:44):
this is a guy that appointed his career stood the
top the pomp pound rankings. When speaking about Alex Perrera,
everybody wants to start speaking pound for pound now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And any time you have.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Anytime you have those types of discussion, because they're subjective,
you will have a lot of varying opinions. Well, let
me explain to you why I feel Uswan's opinion is wrong. Granted,
he does make great points and he does really do
pomp pound.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
By definition, as to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
As you can, Papa pound rankings should be based on
a fighter's ability to fight between weight classes and find
similar success. I remember growing up one of the biggest
arguments in boxing Papa pound was when James Tony was Demand,
(03:45):
Roy Jones Jr. Was themand Bernard Hopkins was Demand. They
were all in the same era and Roy kept staying
atop the palm pound rankings. What they were all doing though,
they were all moving weight classes and they were all
still winning. So the palm bound rankings at the time
was very condensed at the top Manypaccio, Floyd Mayweather, same
(04:08):
type of thing, where those guys were starting at one
thirty five going up to forty seven, staying the champion.
So what was being proven was that regardless of weight,
they were very successful. Usman states this very well. Usman
says what the pomp pound is, but then usman forgets something.
(04:32):
He forgets something very important. The pomp pound rankings should
be three guys at the top, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
When Kamaru was the champion walter weight, he was pomp
pound because many thought he had a style.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That could test Israel at.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
A sign and beat him. Right, it just never happened,
so it was all hypothetical. George Saint Pierre was pop
upon number two behind Anderson Silva, but many thought that
if George Saint Pierre went middleweight at the time, he
could fight or beat Anderson Silva.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But it was all hypothetical.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
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It's Sam as number one Papa pound at least in
my opinion. Because of this reason, when Alexander Volkanowski went
up from one forty five to challenge Markachev, he was
(07:09):
the number one pound pound fighter in the world. He
was the champion at won forty five and that ran
out of contenders, so he got an opportunity to go
up and fight the guy above him to prove he
is the number one pompong guy in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Islam beats him.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Now, in my mind, if Islam was at one forty
five and those guys fought, well, we know what happened
in a fight, you would favor Marketchev.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So hypothetically still hypothetical though, Islam at won forty five
on featherweight would be the world champion, right because he
beat the guy that was the guy, so that made
him number one pampabom. But in regards to the other two,
we know we actually know what happened. John Jones has
(08:03):
a claim to be in the number one pound pown
fighter in the world because he was the light heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Then when he went to heavyweight, he is the heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Champion right poum for pound, a fighting style that goes
between weight classes and you are still effective. Now let's
get to Alex Pever. How is he going up to
power pound ranking. Well, when he was a middleweight, he
(08:34):
was the champion. Now that he's at life heavyweight, he
is the champion. Poum for pound, pomp for pound, right
palm for poum. His weight class doesn't determine his level
(08:56):
of success inside the octan on his skill set translated divisions.
Now Here is where the issue becomes with Perera. When
you look at John Jones and you look at how
well rounded he is, you go, Okay, this guy's pomp
for pound and that's believable because I don't think there's
a heavyweight that's gonna just take.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Him down and hold him down or just knock him out.
I know, I light heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
He's fought the best of the best that this division
has ever had to offer, and they couldn't beat him.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
With Perera, it feels like.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's only a matter of time until someone that can
russell and hold him down is gonna get him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's not that's not the question. That is not
pound for pound.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That is determining a pound for pound style of fighting. Right,
if I said to myself, Kamorrow Uswan, does he have
a pound for pound type of style where he can
compete in wrestling and competing, striking, competing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Juice, Yes he does. Yes he does. That's why he
was able to fight Hamzat.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So well on two weeks notice, because he's so well
rounded that Hamzad couldn't take him down, couldn't hold him
down and had to strike with him, where Tomorrow had
success in his own regard. But we're not determining a
fighting style. We're determining if the style that you have
(10:30):
or that you possess has allowed for you to be
successful in a different weight class.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
To that, Alex Perera gets in a plus.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because again, he was the middleweight champion in the year,
he's the light heavyweight champion with two title defenses, and
he's only got twelve pro fights.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So while I agree with you Tomorrow on this.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Fact, he does not seem to have a pound for
pound style win putting it up against Markachev or Jones
are all those guys. But the style that he has
is poum for pound because it is proven through fact,
not any more hypotheticals no more. Well, I think the
(11:19):
Metrix Johnson will be so good. I think that GSP
would have beaten Anderson. I think that John Jones could
have fought against Campbell. We don't have to guess no more.
These guys have done it. That's pound for pound. So yeah,
my dog love you to death, bro, but you're wrong.
Pomp pound is going up in weight class and winning,
(11:42):
and that's something Alex Perreira has done, and he's done
it and now defending the belt twice. So we talked
on the phone this morning about this because I had
to get your idea what you were talking.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But you're wrong, Hey, floor as yours. I'm waiting for
your response.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You guys in the comments, tell me what you think
about what I said and what about Tomorrow said, And
tell me if you guys want to see me on
the Palm Pomp podcast where Tomorrow and I can discuss
this all right, like subscribe, Tell you friends about my
YouTube channel and tell them that I'm always dropping stuff
like this.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Until next time.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Peace,
Okay, So to me the sports fan, there are only
two days guys in the entire sports calendar where we
have no sports.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So all year you.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Can get in on the action at the Draftking Sportsbook.
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up and use my promo code DCTV bet only five
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(00:38):
the Copa America the Euros, we got baseball. There are
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(00:59):
hundred and fifty all bonus bets instantly the Draft Kings Sportsbook. Guys,
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:45):
Come all right, guys, Tomorrow, Swan's wrong. Tomorrow, Swan's wrong. Look,
he's my brother. I love the guy.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I believe that the guy has a very great mind
for fighting. I believe that he's one of the greatest
champions that we have ever had, especially at walts Waite.
But in terms of overall accomplishments in the UFC, I
believe that Kamarrow Uswan and his accolades will always stand
(02:16):
in the test of time. But in this instance, he's wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Kamorrow has a new podcast for here is Shu Hudo.
It's called the Pomp Pound Podcast. It is phenomenal. The
guests that they get got Shaq, they got George Masvidal,
they got so many athletes to go already, great podcast,
make sure you guys check him out. But today or recently,
Kamorrow was talking about the pound for pound rankings. Now,
(02:44):
this is a guy that appointed his career stood the
top the pomp pound rankings. When speaking about Alex Perrera,
everybody wants to start speaking pound for pound now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And any time you have.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Anytime you have those types of discussion, because they're subjective,
you will have a lot of varying opinions. Well, let
me explain to you why I feel Uswan's opinion is wrong. Granted,
he does make great points and he does really do
pomp pound.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
By definition, as to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
As you can, Papa pound rankings should be based on
a fighter's ability to fight between weight classes and find
similar success. I remember growing up one of the biggest
arguments in boxing Papa pound was when James Tony was Demand,
(03:45):
Roy Jones Jr. Was themand Bernard Hopkins was Demand. They
were all in the same era and Roy kept staying
atop the palm pound rankings. What they were all doing though,
they were all moving weight classes and they were all
still winning. So the palm bound rankings at the time
was very condensed at the top Manypaccio, Floyd Mayweather, same
(04:08):
type of thing, where those guys were starting at one
thirty five going up to forty seven, staying the champion.
So what was being proven was that regardless of weight,
they were very successful. Usman states this very well. Usman
says what the pomp pound is, but then usman forgets something.
(04:32):
He forgets something very important. The pomp pound rankings should
be three guys at the top, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
When Kamaru was the champion walter weight, he was pomp
pound because many thought he had a style.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That could test Israel at.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
A sign and beat him. Right, it just never happened,
so it was all hypothetical. George Saint Pierre was pop
upon number two behind Anderson Silva, but many thought that
if George Saint Pierre went middleweight at the time, he
could fight or beat Anderson Silva.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But it was all hypothetical.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
We actually have proof now tomorrow we don't have to
guess anymore. Bro, we don't have to say, well, papaupon
is this doesn't equate. What's up, guys, our good friends
from game Time are back with the channel and we're
(05:42):
so excited about it. And hey, what a time for
them to come back on, and what a time for
us to have a game Time offer for you because
right now the baseball season is in full effect, and
who doesn't love enjoying America's game. Well, with the game
Time app, you can you all America's game and save
money while doing it. So go to the game Time
(06:04):
app right now. Sign up using my promo code DCTV.
We'll give you twenty dollars off of your first purchase.
Now it is baseball season and we all love baseball.
But game Time is not limited to just baseball. You
can do anything, concerts, comedy shows, basketball, mixed martial arts,
get tickets to anything by using the game Time app.
(06:26):
So take the guests work out of buying tickets with
the game Time App. Download it right now, creating account,
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and we'll give you twenty dollars off of your first purchase.
(06:49):
Welcome back game Time. We love you guys, we've missed you.
It's Sam as number one Papa pound at least in
my opinion. Because of this reason, when Alexander Volkanowski went
up from one forty five to challenge Markachev, he was
(07:09):
the number one pound pound fighter in the world. He
was the champion at won forty five and that ran
out of contenders, so he got an opportunity to go
up and fight the guy above him to prove he
is the number one pompong guy in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Islam beats him.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Now, in my mind, if Islam was at one forty
five and those guys fought, well, we know what happened
in a fight, you would favor Marketchev.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So hypothetically still hypothetical though, Islam at won forty five
on featherweight would be the world champion, right because he
beat the guy that was the guy, so that made
him number one pampabom. But in regards to the other two,
we know we actually know what happened. John Jones has
(08:03):
a claim to be in the number one pound pown
fighter in the world because he was the light heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Then when he went to heavyweight, he is the heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Champion right poum for pound, a fighting style that goes
between weight classes and you are still effective. Now let's
get to Alex Pever. How is he going up to
power pound ranking. Well, when he was a middleweight, he
(08:34):
was the champion. Now that he's at life heavyweight, he
is the champion. Poum for pound, pomp for pound, right
palm for poum. His weight class doesn't determine his level
(08:56):
of success inside the octan on his skill set translated divisions.
Now Here is where the issue becomes with Perera. When
you look at John Jones and you look at how
well rounded he is, you go, Okay, this guy's pomp
for pound and that's believable because I don't think there's
a heavyweight that's gonna just take.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Him down and hold him down or just knock him out.
I know, I light heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
He's fought the best of the best that this division
has ever had to offer, and they couldn't beat him.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
With Perera, it feels like.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's only a matter of time until someone that can
russell and hold him down is gonna get him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's not that's not the question. That is not
pound for pound.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That is determining a pound for pound style of fighting. Right,
if I said to myself, Kamorrow Uswan, does he have
a pound for pound type of style where he can
compete in wrestling and competing, striking, competing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Juice, Yes he does. Yes he does. That's why he
was able to fight Hamzat.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So well on two weeks notice, because he's so well
rounded that Hamzad couldn't take him down, couldn't hold him
down and had to strike with him, where Tomorrow had
success in his own regard. But we're not determining a
fighting style. We're determining if the style that you have
(10:30):
or that you possess has allowed for you to be
successful in a different weight class.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
To that, Alex Perera gets in a plus.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because again, he was the middleweight champion in the year,
he's the light heavyweight champion with two title defenses, and
he's only got twelve pro fights.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So while I agree with you Tomorrow on this.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Fact, he does not seem to have a pound for
pound style win putting it up against Markachev or Jones
are all those guys. But the style that he has
is poum for pound because it is proven through fact,
not any more hypotheticals no more. Well, I think the
(11:19):
Metrix Johnson will be so good. I think that GSP
would have beaten Anderson. I think that John Jones could
have fought against Campbell. We don't have to guess no more.
These guys have done it. That's pound for pound. So yeah,
my dog love you to death, bro, but you're wrong.
Pomp pound is going up in weight class and winning,
(11:42):
and that's something Alex Perreira has done, and he's done
it and now defending the belt twice. So we talked
on the phone this morning about this because I had
to get your idea what you were talking.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But you're wrong, Hey, floor as yours. I'm waiting for
your response.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You guys in the comments, tell me what you think
about what I said and what about Tomorrow said, And
tell me if you guys want to see me on
the Palm Pomp podcast where Tomorrow and I can discuss
this all right, like subscribe, Tell you friends about my
YouTube channel and tell them that I'm always dropping stuff
like this.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Until next time.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Peace,
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