July 15, 2024 • 42 mins
Derek Jeter joins The Herd to talk about the Yankees this season and playing in the All-Star game, more on the top 10 NFL QB list and why Colin disagrees with some placements.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the Team USA vanquishing Team Australia. Lit'll tune up for
the Olympics. He'll look close at the end. They'll be
joining us in a couple of minutes, Derek Jeter, the captain.
We'll be joining us in thirty minutes from now Arlington,
Texas for the All Star Game. By the way, the
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Yankees are completely falling apart. Dodgers are not falling apart. Well,
they're physically falling apart. Their injury list is insane. The
best team in baseball Orioles of the shock of baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Not how you start, how you finish. I'm not worry
about the Yankees Dodgers World Series.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's inevitable. Sorry, Phillies fans. I was just looking over
jeter stats legendary. His career is well and it was
also because that was in an era where the Yankees
had the Yes Network and that was making four one
hundred million a year and other teams. I mean, there
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was no hot stove League. It was who the Yankees
wanted league, a little bit like the Dodgers do now
with a Moki or a Freddie Freeman. They just have
more money. But it is, it is. Some of his
numbers are got thirty five hundred hits he played, he played.
Think about this. Derek Jeter played almost one hundred and
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sixty playoff games. That's insane. He had two hundred hits
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, I'm a New York guy. He's my favorite
baseball player of all time. It used to be Don Mattingly.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Here's what's interesting. Willie Mays recently passed away. Willie Mays
is probably considered none of us saw Babe Ruth play
Willie Mays. Some of us I didn't, but some of
us did see Willy Mays play. Willie Mays is considered
the greatest athlete to ever play baseball, the best player.
There's Mickey Mannle loyalists, there's Babe Ruth. But let's you know,
they'll say Willie Mays. Derek Jeter is the only other
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player in the history of baseball that has three thousand hits,
a three hundred plus batting average, and three hundred plus
stolen bases and two hundred and fifty homers. Most people
don't know that Jeter had that many home runs. Think
about that. It's Willy, and Willy played for a long time,
eventually ended up with the Mets. You know that he
was a shadow of what he once was. But I mean,
if Willie's the greatest player of all time, because I
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always remember this with people would say, well, if Derek
Jeter played for the Royals, dude, those numbers are insane. God,
that is unbelievable. Two hundred hits in the playoffs for
Derek Cheter. I will also say this. We were talking
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about this last week. So baseball is a little bit
down right because of offenses down so the pitching is
so dominant, but the games are much faster, So the
games last two hours and thirty five minutes now, So
I found I find myself with baseball. I had a
moment years ago when I was in Connecticut and it
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was watching Nesson and Nesson is the Red Sox. I
don't know if they still are. They carried the Red
Sox games. And I'm down there working out and had
made me a gym for my Christmas present. We had
this weird room down in the house that was unusable.
She made it into a workout room and so I'd
put like the Yankees of the Red Sox on and
I would work out. And this is I've been here
eight years to it. This is about twelve, thirteen years ago,
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whatever it is. And there's a Blue Jays Red Sox
game on and it's in Toronto, and it's middle innings,
it's like fifth or sixth inning. And I start my workout.
I usually work out for about fifty minutes short of
an hour, just good with good left, good sweat. I'm out.
It was an inning and a half. And I remember
thinking at the time they kind of feed this game up.
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We all have phones, like in my step sons. At
the time, they weren't watching baseball. They were watching soccer.
They would get up on Saturday morning and watch I
think it was on NBC, the Premier League. And I'm like,
they're in Red Sox territory. They played little league baseball,
They're not watching baseball. They're watching soccer and then baseball.
Like you know, generally, it takes a while for baseball
to sort of change, very tied to its lower and
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its history. But this pitch clock, there is no question
that you can sit join a baseball game for forty
minutes and get through two or three innings if they
don't have a pitching change, especially if it's early innings
and the pitchers have their best stuff. They haven't gone
through the order three times. Games fly by, And so
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I'm hearing this right now. We're gonna be on FS
one at what time, guys, eleven oh seven?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
All right?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Uh seven ish? Then we'll we'll join the regular crew.
And so for all of baseball, the misgivings about it,
it's lost some of its social currency since since the
pitch clock came and Derek Jeter bottom of the hour,
the attendance is up and the ratings are up, and
probably because it's more of a global sport, it's probably
the best baseball has been. Now. The Yankees are struggling,
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the Dodgers are all injured, but I will say this,
it takes baseball forever. NFL will change on a dime.
Basketball I mean basketball changed its ball and didn't even
give the players the heads up. Remember when they did
the sleeves on the jerseys and it was a it
busted and then they changed the ball and it was
no good and the late Davin Starret acknowledge, Yeah, we
probably shouldn't have done those, But the NBA has always
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been there's an old saying Basketball thinks of it first,
the NFL gets it right, and Baseball makes the most
money on it, whatever the changes are. So I kind
of feel like baseball has sort of kindly finally figured
it out. Now they have a different issue is that
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the pitching is so dominant in baseball. It is so
utterly dominant in baseball that the Major League Baseball average
is like two thirty three like it, you know, Aaron Judge, OTAWNI.
You know, the top guys, Mookie Bets can hit, but
the pitchers are dominating the sport. So instead of waiting
forever on replay, which baseball did, or waiting forever on
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the pitch clock, which Major League Baseball did, they would
be much better served to lower the mound six inches.
They did this with Bob Gibson in the late sixties.
Nobody could hit. Certain pitchers were dominating the sport, and
all sports are better with more action. So there's just
not enough. There's not enough hits. There's not enough extra
base hits. And you know, baseball's always been a little
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obsessed by analytics, numbers, and you know, statistics and averages,
but that's what the sport is. But what they have
to do now is not Wait. I remember being on
a plane. I was on a Delta flight east coast
to the west, and I sat with the GM of
the Richmond Spiders. It was a Double A base it
was a Richmond something. They were a Double A baseball team,
and he was a general manager and they had instituted
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in the minor leagues the pitch clock. They'd instituted and
so I'm on, I'm on like a four hour flight
with him, and I'm like, he recognized me. We started talking.
He was I worked in minor league baseball, and I said, hey,
how does that thing work? He goes, you can't believe it.
He goes, It's sped our game up by thirty minutes.
And he said, I think no, he said, it sped
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our game up by twenty minutes. He he goes, I
think it's going to speed major League Baseball up by
thirty minutes. It hasn't. It's been about twenty twenty five minutes.
But it was long over and they tried it in
minor league baseball for a couple of years and it's
absolutely helped baseball attendance up. People love sports, They have
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a we all have a clock. Welcome back to the Herd.
We are in hour three. We are going to have
Derek Jeter joining us in twenty minutes from the All
Star Game, where the Phillies are well represented with eight players.
Let's start with this story. The door maybe reopening for
Caitlin Clark to make the Olympic team. Diana Tarassi has
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an injury, but from the beginning, women's basketball hasn't quite
known how to handle Caitlyn Clark. It reminds me a
little bit when Taylor Swift, the singer, became a billionaire
with the Eras tour, and like the management team and
ticketmaster had to apologize, like in ten minutes they couldn't
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supply enough tickets. It was just they were completely overwhelmed.
And I think that's what women's basketball was with Caitlin Clark.
I mean, they knew a year out she could be
the number one pick. They give her the toughest schedule
early schedule in the league over any other team. And
remember the Indiana Fever were the worst team. So she
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comes in. They start one to eight. They put nothing
but quality veteran teams that had been in the playoffs.
Terrible start, and then the league has to scramble because
she's selling jerseys and merch like crazy. They've got to
switch venues in LA. They went from the Pyramid in
Long Beach to Crypto and the league just then they
league got You know, this is what happens sometimes with
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soccer fans. They feel ignored, and WA fans feel ignored,
so they get very precious, very tribal, very insular. She's
not gonna make the USA women's basketball Olympic team, and
you're like, are you crazy? Go look at the men's team.
It's political. Jalen Brown's not on it because Nike doesn't
want him on it. Kyrie Irving's not on it because
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nig didn't want him on it. You're not gonna put
Caitlin Clark, your Taylor Swift on the team. Well, you know,
she sells out her All Star Jersey in seventeen minutes.
I'm still not sure women's basketball quite has their feet
under them. You know, they're they're doing a ticket Master,
they're bailing water. She's exploding as a player. She leads
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the WNBA in assists. She's third in three pointers made.
Indiana's won eight of twelve. Yesterday's a prime example where
she is in the fourth quarter, best player on the floor.
Had a choppy first half but had ten points. But
you're not going to hear anybody pick on women's basketball
as a unit. There's a lot of sick of fans
in the media. They feel like the sport's been ignored,
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so they're part of the brigade to support it. And
that's fine, but let's be honest about it. The sportman
a terrible decision on the Olympic team. The scheduling early,
even though they knew she was coming out and probably
going to be a number one pick a year earlier.
About the time they were making schedules was ridiculous. And
now Indiana's on fire. Caitlin Clark's like a seventeen eight
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and six player. She's getting better by the week. She
says the right stuff at the podium. She's there's nothing
about her you don't like, and it's like, now, you
made a big mistake the first time not putting her
on the Olympic team. Don't double down on dumb. Get
her on the team. Give us a reason to watch
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the Olympic women's team. You guys win gold every year.
Your competition's week, you win it every year. Give us
a reason quadruple your television ratings with her promoting not
only the other women on the team that could get endorsements,
but promoting your sport. There's a reason that top movie
stars and top athletes use the same four or five agents,
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because they can handle it. They don't get overwhelmed. Women's
basketball is spelt overwhelmed. Here. You got your Connor McGregor,
your baseball, You got your Bryce Harper. You know it's
very You got your Messy in the MLS. You put
him on TV. You know the whole salary cap in
the MLS. It's funny they got Messy into the MLS.
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The guy makes more than some of the teams. They
figured out a way to get him into the MLS.
They weren't precious and rigid and so listen. In basketball terms,
this is a layoff in NBA terms, it's a slam dump.
If you can get her on the Olympic team you
missed the first time, do it the second time. You're
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doing yourself a favor. Don't get in the way of yourself.
All right. Five time World Series champ Derek Jeter joins
us from the All Star Game.
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Tomorrow Night, Judge O'tani Harper and baseball's biggest stars take
center stage deep in the heart of.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Texas for the Midsummer Classic.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It's the twenty twenty four All Star Game. Coverage begins
tomorrow at seven pm Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean those are stars, Aaron Judge, o'tani and Bryce Harpor.
You see those guys, Those are stars, and you're gonna
see him this week in the All Star Game. Jaymcklanews,
no tarn on the news.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
All right on, Let's start with Team USA.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The exhibition just wrapped up against Australia.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
They were twenty and a half point favorites by fifteen
entering the fourth and Australia decided to make a big run.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They cut it to four in the final minute. USA
wins ninety eight ninety two. Now listen, Obviously we're on air.
We didn't get to watch a lot of the game,
but it looks like the US not emptied the bench
but put in kind of little bit Halliburton and company
the end of the bench guys, and Australia made it
a run. But overall it sounds like the US they
were dominating the first half with their core guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Currie Lebron.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So I'm not going to read too.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Much into this, but you know, some people, I'm sure,
are going to make a big deal out of not
covering the spread in an exhibition game.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well, when I watched, I watched during the breaks in
the first half, we were you know, it was it
was a size advantage and it was a skill advantage.
So I don't you know, I think the reality is
I wouldn't get too caught up on what you saw
at the end of a game. If you watched the
early portions, which I watched bits and pieces, it was
pretty dominant.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, Anthony Edwards buried a bunch of threes early. He
had seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Your guy Ad, Hey, maybe they are.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
When I watched Ad, he was physically dominant and he
was like battling on the glass, pushing guys around. It
was good.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, just so people know, the FEBO rules are different,
so there's gonna be some stuff that you're not used to.
The time is huge, Okay, NBA game forty eight minutes.
These are not forty eight minute I think they're forty
minute games. So like, you know, you fall behind, you
have a cold shooting night, like it can get Dicey.
I think they were twelve of twenty nine on threes.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Not great. But ultimately, listen, we have the best team
in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They're better than the Dream Team, but I think we're
deeper than the Dream Team by far. We're better than them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now, the twenty eight team was interesting with prime Kobe,
prime Lebron, that team prime Wade.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That team was nasty.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No knock on the Dream Team. They were beating a
bunch of tomato cans. Sorry, sorry, go look up the
rosters in the ninety two Olympics. There's like no NBA
guys playing barely.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Now the best guys in the NBA, like Yannis is
playing for Greece, Yo Kitchen Serbia, Like this field is loaded.
All right, let's move on to the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So they were criticized for having a subpart receiving core
last season, but that didn't stop them from winning the
Super Bowl. They made some offensive editions this season this offseason. Sorry,
and Travis Kelsey said he's excited about the new talent
on the squad.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
We got Xavier Worthy, we got Marquise Brown, we got
we got some dogs, we got some some unbelievable talent.
You got to revamp the team every single year. You
got to remold the team. Last year we got better
as the season went on. So it's gonna be a
long haul if we if we get a chance to
do it. But uh, I'm just excited to get back
into the into the football world.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No place more beautiful than Lake Tahoe in the summer,
never been in Oh Oh. It's just absolutely stunning. And
by the way the ball travels, you're up in the mountains.
Do you take your driver to Lake Tahoe, You're gonna
feel like you're Ben Hogan and Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
In their prime.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I like how he's like, yeah, we got Xavier Worthy
and Marquise Brown.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
While we don't get afraid he forgot, We've still got
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He's alive, he's breathing, like, let's not go overboard. Final
story is Tua entering the final year of his deal,
reportedly still having conversations with the Dolphins about an extension.
No new deal yet, But Tyreek Hill thinks to what
deserves to be paid like a top tier quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
For people to like sit here and try to discreate
a tool and say you know he's not deserving of
a contract is wild to me, man, because a lot
of like a lot of guys on the team understands
his value and understands, you know that we need him
like we need we need his leadership, We need you know,
his mindset, like like the mindset that he brings into
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each and every week is there, Like it's like it's
like terminator almost.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Man.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So I feel like he should be one of the
highest paid quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Cast your figures on health. He's pretty good, pretty good,
j MC of the New Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd line saying this earlier
the All Star Games on Fox tomorrow. The most remarkable
thing that Derek Jeter did it Willie Mays recently passed away,
and Willie Mays is considered I didn't watch, Babe Ruth Right,
didn't see Willie Mays, but Willie Mays is considered kind
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of the best baseball player of all time. Willie Mays
and Derek Jeter are the only two players in baseball
history that have three thousand plus hits batted over three
hundred three hundred plus dolen bases in two hundred and
fifty homers. You didn't think Derek Jeter had that much power,
but yes he did. But even better than that is
Derek Jeter now joins us live from Arlington too. But
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here's a number.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Here's a number, Derek, that's even more impressive. This crime
and this made me laugh. This is like a Beer
League softball number. You apparently batted four eighty one in
All Star games? Is that a do you look?
Speaker 7 (18:43):
I need to bring you along anytime I go do
an appearance. You can introduce me. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Go back to your first All Star game. Take me
to it. Who pitched? Were you nervous? Where was it?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I can't tell you who pitched. I can tell you
where it was. It was in Colorado. And the thing
about your first All Star game is you're really overwhelmed.
It's an overwhelming experience. You're sharing the clubhouse, even though
you play against these guys for the first time in
your life. You're sharing the clubhouse with the best players
in all of baseball, the best players in the world.
So I was a little quiet. I was in the corner.
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I was trying to keep to myself. I was trying
to soak it all in. But other than that, I
know I struck out because I looked it up before
I came here today to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But other than that, I don't remember too much.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
It was sort of kind of a fog because this
is something you dream of as as a kid, is
playing in an All Star game, and I was pretty
young at the time, so I'm sharing the clubhouse and
playing against guys that I looked up to.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So, you know, one of the criticisms of the Yankees
this year, and I know Aaron Bone and I really
like him, is that he's really player friendly. Well, I
think baseball, because it's such a long season, I think
you have to be player friendly. I think you have
to trust your veteran players. You know you can't. It's
not the NFL, where you know you only have so
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many times you have to deal with a coach. Is
the criticism? Though? Is there some fairness that Aaron is
a little buddy buddy with players? Do you buy that
or the Are there other reasons for the month and
a half struggle?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Oh, I wouldn't necessarily buy that. You have to be
a player's manager to be successful, especially this day and age.
The great thing about Aaron. Aaron played the game. He
understands that you're going to have struggles throughout the course
of a six month season. You play one hundred and
sixty two games, and you're going to struggle, and you know,
I think he's done a great job. Ultimately, it falls
on the players. Those are the ones that are on
the field playing the games. Actually, but I would say
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I haven't paid much attention to the criticism. I think
criticism is a part of playing in New York, especially
when the expectation level is where it is. But if
he is getting heavily criticized, I think it's a bit
unfair because ultimately the players are the ones that play.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So the Dodgers' injury report is insane. Now we all
know that this sport is really tough on pitchers, and
everybody's throwing hard. I swear to god, you go from
a starter at ninety eight to a set up guy
at at one oh one, to a closer at one
on one. But you remained for all those years. You
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remained really healthy. And when I do see injuries in baseball,
and we always talk about him in football, and I
think to myself, these guys, why pitchers don't throw as
many innings. I sometimes wonder do you do you consider
your career Was it training? I mean, nutrition's better today?
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Was it luck? But you mostly stayed healthy. The guys
travel better, the training is better. What do you make
of injuries, like a Dodger team that is just riddled
with injuries?
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Well, sometimes it's bad luck. I mean, you can't explain it.
We play a long season. You play what thirty games
in spring training, one hundred and sixty two during the
regular season, then you have the postseason. I was always
conditioned to play every day. I wanted to play every
single day. When you talk about pitchers, I think you know,
the starters aren't going as long as they used to
back in the day. You don't see too many Nolan
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Ryan's Roger Clemens that go out and pitch every single
day and they throw one hundred and fifty pitches when
they're out there. So I think now players are conditioned
to do a little bit less. And yeah, you do
mention that the travels better. It seems like it's a
lot easier than it was before. But it is a
very tough, difficult schedule, and you know it takes a
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toll on your body over time. So you know, I
was fortunate. You know, I played every day. I was
fortunate to only have really two serious injuries during my career.
But I was always conditioned to go out there and
play every day.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Are you surprised? You and Eli Manning, I've compared to that.
You always talk to the press. You were always always
viewed favorably by the New York press, but you never
gave them too much. You always knew when to stop talking,
and so you avoided I mean, you'd have a slump
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like the regular players, but you stayed out of the nonsense.
You lived your life and play. Oh Shohei Otani had
this major controversy around him, and it does not appear
to have affected him, and I'm kind of surprised. It's
are you surprised.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Had a controversy? What was the controversy? You know, I'll
be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
What Otani has been able to do on the field,
it takes a lot more than just physical capabilities. I mean, mentally,
he's probably as tough as anyone to be able to
do that, To be able to go out there and
pitch at a sigh, young level pace and then go
out and win an MVP offensively, so it's not too surprising.
I mean, he's been able to limit distractions. You know,
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when I played it, it was simple. I addressed something
once and I didn't talk about it again because I
didn't want it to be a distraction. And I think
that's exactly what he did, and he addressed it once
and it doesn't linger because he doesn't continue to speak
on it. So anything he does doesn't seem like it's
a surprise to me at all.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We have nineteen players in this All Star Game, Derek,
that are under the age of twenty seven. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's great for the sport, Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
It's absolutely wonderful for the sport to have these young
players that hopefully can play for a long long time.
And then you see him in the All Star Game
here tomorrow and hopefully you see some of these same
faces ten years from now.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Do you think it's because the game is more global
and we're just the pots bigger? I mean, what do
you make of it?
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I think part of it is guys are signing at
a young age, They're getting opportunities to play at a
young age. I think you throw analytics into the mix.
When they say players are getting old at the age
of thirty, they're looking for someone younger to come along
and fill the position. So I think guys are getting
those opportunities early on in their careers that you know,
maybe you didn't get at such an early age. You know,
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twenty thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, the Paul Skean's Pittsburgh Pirates, dominant guy overpowering you faced.
Obviously you were in the Nolan Ryan era.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
But oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, not even an slowed down slow down.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was way after Nolan wa wa after Nolan.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm trying to think of the hard
throw Randy Johnson. You faced Randy a few times, okay, okay, okay,
radd Let me think of somebody else. Let me think
of somebody else, Randy Roger, Clemens Roers, Roger through hard, Okay, no,
Nolan Tree, Okay, Pedro through hard. Was there ever a
guy with scheen Sometimes it's like guys are behind him,
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like behind him. First couple of times you faced maybe
a Randy Johnson or a Pedro. Did you ever go
back to the dugout and just say, fellas, this is different,
because that's what it looks like with this kid.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I tried not to, you know, because you want to
instill confidence in your teammates. But you know, just Paul,
I haven't seen him in person, but just watching him.
Most guys have an adjustment period, whether they're coming from
high school, college, it takes them a while in the
minor leagues. This guy stepped right in and it's it's
continued what he's doing. It's dominating. You know, he dominated
in college. Now he's dominating at the major league level,
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and that's pretty much unheard of. I think it's the
first one to be drafted number one and then the
following year starting All Star Games. So it's been fun
to watch.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Over the course of the second half of the season,
the league's going to make an adjustment, and I'm sure
he's going to make an adjustment to them.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I do apologize. I thought you and Nolan may overlap
for it.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
No no, no, no, no, no, no one no just one.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It bad, But it wasn't even one at bad. I
didn't face Nolan, right.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, I know, I thought you may have overlapped.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I don't have a fact check.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Wikipedia in front of me. Let me ask you this,
of all the All Stars you played for or with,
and there's a lot of different personalities in a different
style when you were on the dugout steps in the
All Star Game, and maybe it was a guy from
the National League that you just didn't see a lot
of Was there ever a guy that you thought, Oh,
(27:06):
I'm going to make sure I watched this cat. I've
seen him on TV, I've seen him on Sports Center.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, there were a few of them, but I think
the one that comes to mind is probably caw cal Ripken.
I mean, he was the first line of defense I had,
and I'm sure a lot of taller shortstops had when
people said you're a little bit tall to play the position,
we'd say, well, look at cal Ripkins. So obviously i'd
played against him in ninety six and ninety seven, my
first All Star Game in ninety eight, had a chance
to share the clubhouse with him. But I just watched
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him from afar. He's known for his work ethic, he's
known for being an iron man and having his streak,
and I just wanted to see how he prepared in
order to play that many games in a row. So
I think col is the guy that stands out to me.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, good seeing you. It's the All Star Game. It's
tomorrow on Fox that it starts at seven Eastern. And
do you you didn't remember your first All Star at bat?
Do you remember your well, let's see your final All
Star Game in twenty fourteen, you had two hits. You
were you were the MVP in two thousand. You boy,
you you really you eight at the All Star Games.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Four eight had fun. But I didn't face Nolan Ryan.
Just remember that I never faced Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Derek. There's a lot of you guys just played on
my television forever. I thought there was one, a just
one at bat somewhere in your life. Okay, my bad,
I'm sorry about that. By the way, Derek did not
face cy Young either. It should be no, he did
not face I'm sorry. Good seeing you by it, you too,
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talk to you soon, all right, My bad? I don't know.
I mean Nolan Ryan pitched forever. Derek played forever. I
thought there was an ab in there somewhere, the one
at bat or something. He h boy, you know it's
funny about he mentioned Pedro Martinez. So I grew up,
you know, in Seattle. I don't have the numbers in
front of me, but I think there was about a
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five year stretch that Pedro Martinez felt like he threw
four to one hitters against the maryor when if you're
talking about greatest pitchers, let's say I just said five years.
Like Sandy Colfax's career was not that long. Sandy Kofax
had six great years. Three of them he was virtually unhittable.
I mean Colefax was. It was very very short career
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at three years unhittable, six years good. It was about
if you just took you know, because pitcher's arms give way.
Obviously Verlander pitches forever, and Adam Wayne Wright, Roger Clemens.
There's these guys that are, you know, warriors. They pitch forever.
But if I said, like in the Sandy Colfax, if
you said five years of greatness, if you took the
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best five or six years, Colfax is the best. I
wonder if Martinez's second he was he was absolutely un hittable,
unhittable for a brief period. That's a spicy baseball take.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I need some time to dive into that. Pedro Martine
is really really good in his prime. I just didn't
like the Red Sox sees.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Like, mah, okay, Ryan, are you looking that up? You
should give me, give me the give me the Pedro
Martinez Mariner splits. I think he threw. I think he
threw four to one hitters against him. What I could
not hit him?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
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as one of the most stacked USA basketball rosters in
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FS one.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
By the way, Pedro Martinez, I got right on that one.
Thirteen and one against the Mariners with an ERA of
one point five to seven average, the strikeout one hundred
and thirty seven strikeouts and one hundred innings against the Mariners.
That's decent, right, thirteen and one, yeah, yeah yeah. And
Nolan Ryan retired at ninety three. Jeter opened in ninety five.
I thought they may have overlapt close. No one was
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closed in.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
The mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
There was no internet really at the time, right, Well,
I mean Nolan just pitched forever, and Jeter's career lasted forever.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't think I got on the internet like later nineties.
I'm pretty sure I was way Lady. He's like, I
can barely remember what I I.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Was way late to all the social stuff, you know now,
except TikTok. Because my wife, she'd all the food stuff
and all the animal stuff. She's on TikTok. So in
the morning she'll go through that thing for forty minutes
in the morning. I'm playing wordle CNN New York Times out.
She's on that thing forever. By the way, execs, coaches
and scouts ranked the NFL's top ten quarterbacks. So this
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is the list from the people inside the league on
the ten best quarterbacks for our radio audience. Mahomes is
one that's inarguable. Burrol's got some injury stuff, but he's two.
Josh Allen three, Lamar four, Stafford five. I don't have
a problem with any of that. Justin Herbert six, Stroud seven.
Aaron Rodgers. I don't know what Aaron is right now.
(31:50):
I've got to see it, but I didn't think his
last year in Green Bay he was quite the Aaron Rodgers.
I had watched Jared Goff nine, Dak Prescott ten. I
had said earlier. I think Jordan love when I watched
him go toe to toe with Dak, Prescott was better, younger, faster,
morve a whip accurate when he took a twenty seven
to nothing lead on Dak in Dallas and Dallas, and
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Dak looked nervous and anxious and inefficient. Jordan loves better,
but he hasn't played long, so people are gonna give Dak.
I would have Dak closer to twelve or thirteen. But
I will say seven of the top ten quarterbacks are AFC,
and it does feel I think the NFL feels a
little lobsided now. For years I felt it was lobsided
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on the NFC side. But seven of the top ten
quarterbacks are AFC, and I would say Mahomes has separated
from the pack, And in fact, I think when Burrow's healthy,
I think Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Stafford have separated from
the pack. All have had a little bit more postseason
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success than Lamar Jackson, who I think is remarkable. Trevor
Lawrence has his best team ever in Jacksonville, and my
guess is a year from now we'll have Trevor Lawrence
in the top ten Now, the NFC has got two
things going for it. Chicago has Kayleb Williams, Jalen and
Daniels from LSU's going to Washington. I think they're both
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going to hit. I think they've joined good places now.
They have defensive head coaches, which I don't love, but
they've got some weaponry. They've got good offensive coordinators. So
I think if Caleb hits in Chicago and Jaden Daniels
hits in Washington and Jordan Love just keeps getting better,
I think the NFC is going to close the gap
a little. But most of these guys, six of the
top seven AFC quarterbacks are in their twenties. So the
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league does feel like college football felt very very regional,
too regional for about ten years with Bama, Georgia, Clemson dominating.
But college football's always been a regional sport. NFL's not,
but it does feel a bit lobsided. The other thing
is what makes the AFC feel so big now is
that the big Broo, the big markets in the NFC
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like Chicago, Washington, and New York have all whiffed on
quarterback picks, whereas the small markets in the AFC feel
much bigger. Cincinnati, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo because they've all
nailed their quarterback picks. So the AFC, which has always
been the NFC's historically gotten better ratings of Fox pregame
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show into the games because it's bigger cities. The AFC
had the smaller cities, the Cincinnaties, the Buffaloes, the Baltimore's,
the Kansas Cities, the Jacksonvilles. But those small markets feel
bigger because they have the best quarterbacks in the game,
and whereas the NFC markets New York, Chicago. I mean,
even Brock Purdy is not a big name, right, He's
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not a first round Bally Hood the guy who watched
he didn't watch him at Iowa State and College. Most
people didn't. So the NFC's got the big markets, but
they've missed on quarterbacks, and the big market teams are
most yuck, whereas the small market teams nailed quarterbacks. They
all feel bigger than they've ever felt. But I do
think I think Caleb Williams is gonna hit in Chicago.
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I think Jade and Daniel is going to be way
better than people think in Washington, and I think Jordan
loves here to stay I also think Jared Goff and Stafford.
There have been rumors about Stafford retiring. I don't buy it.
He's too good and his injuries haven't been major. He
bangs his hand on a helmet, he may have, you know,
a little here, he's got some elbow soreness. You know,
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he's not breaking collar bones. I think Stafford's got two
to three great years left, and it should be noted
the Rams Oh lines better now that it's been in
three or four years. I'm surprised you said that, oh
Jordan Love left off the top ten when essentially we
would agree he had about eight good games this season.
He did not start out good. Yet no mention whatsoever
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of Brock Perdy, who was I believe third in the
MVP voting. Bro and a guy who head to head
had a fourth quarter comeback to be Jordan Loving the
playoffs and a fourth quarter come back to be Jared
goffin the playoff. But we also contextualize things. He has
arguably the best offensive coach after Andy Reid and seven
Hall of Famers at his disposal. So when you watch
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him play, even against Jordan Love, Jordan's bigger moves, better,
got more of a whip better deep ball. Brock Perty
is the classic drafted into the ideal situation for the
record Dak Prescott. A lot of Dak Prescott's early success.
Zeke was the best running back in the league for
about the first three to four years. He had an
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offensive coach who was a quarterback in the NFL, Jason Garrett.
The Cowboys O line for three to four years was
right now. The Lions O line clearly the best in
the league, and the division wasn't great. Everybody was kind
of you know, it wasn't nearly as good. So early
years for Dak. I mean he came in as a
fourth round quarterback. O line was the best in the league.
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Running back, was the best in the league, offensive coach
as the league was pivoting to offense, and he had
des Bryant, a touchdown machine on the outside, very supportive
free agent market. Cowboys always draft pretty well and so
it was perfect for him. You have to contextualize these things.
As the team has relied more on Dak because he's
made money and they'd lost some Amari Coopers, they're not
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as good, they're not as viable in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Listen, I think they won twelve games these in the
last three years. I know the playoff failures.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You look at the Lions, they had the best offensive
line in the league last year. For golf, it's like
he's set up to succeed Johnson, the most coveted out
see in the law, and he threw for fifty four
hundred yards and had a better passer rating than Mahomes.
So he delivered on them. He did a party delivered.
He was third in MVP voting, have phenomenal touchdowns. MVP
voting is not passer rate. MVP voting is a subjecting.
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Passer rating is a you know, it's a It's a
metric we use based on a series of statistics. So
Trey Lance was the quarterback of the Niners with the
seven Hall of Famers. He didn't do jack squat. They
shipped amount of town. Well, we're not saying Brock Purty
isn't better than a quarterback viewed as a bust. We're
saying you're listing top ten quarterback. I think it's undeniable Pertty.
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He's the top ten quarterback based on the numbers. Now,
if you're looking projections, he's got a better arm who
throws a better deep wall. Well, I mean that's another story.
Let's ask yourself this. Derek White on the Celtics. Derek
White's not a number one, but on the Celtics when
he plays as a as a part of a machine,
the fourth or fifth. Yeah, but if you took out
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Tatum and Brown and said Derek You're are one, Derek
White wouldn't be like that you're saying. If you put
like Derek White on the Pelicans, Yeah, it's Derek White.
He's a good player. But there who you play with matters.
I mean j R. Smith was a mess in New York.
They had to get him out of town. He goes
to Cleveland with Lebron and everybody's like, I love this guy. Right,
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Like kcp's career, he was having some personal problems. He
plays with Lebron and ad in that Laker team. His career.
When you're viewed as like not a star but a
good player, I mean, Brock's clearly got talent. Your coach
and who you play with matter. Brady elevated every receiver.
We don't know if Brock is elevating receivers. I mean,
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Jimmy Garoppolo got to Super Bowls. What has Garoppolo done
outside of Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Okay, and Garoppolo was getting to Super Bowls and led
Mahomes in the fourth quarter. So what gms and executives
and scouts are saying on brock Purty the coach and
the players, not that he's bad, but they're saying, you
got a contexture. I mean, Justin Herbert has yet to
have the right coach and he I think his first
three years in the league it was the most touchdowns
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ever thrown by a quarterback in the first three years
and he had bad protection at the time. So let's
say you put Jordan Love on the Chiefs with with
Andy Reid and he'd be great.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Anybody would be great.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Brock Perty would be great, right, meaning you're down here. No,
you could be really successful. You wouldn't dominate the sport
like Mahomes is doing. Listen, man, brock Perty's dominating the
sport right now with the Niners back to back NFC
championship games. He got hurt against Eagles or who knows.
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I just feel like we're not trusting the numbers. When
the numbers say, person, it's elite, No, it's it's not
just trusting the numbers. Dak. You can't trust the numbers
on Dak. Watch Dak. He doesn't throw a fluid, beautiful football.
His college coach came on My show, Dan mullinan said,
we love Dak the guy. We still didn't think he could.
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We didn't think he was a good thrower of the football.
He wasn't as he's good. You don't think he's a
very good throw No, I think if you if you're
talking about the best balls in the league, Josh Allen
Mahomes staffords.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Are awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Joe Burrow doesn't have one of the biggest arms. He's
a great thrower of the football. Jared Goff is a
top five deliverer of the football. Jared Goff, Kyler Murray,
it's a thing of beauty. But I mean you, Brock
Purty's not in that clown. I mean Brock Purty when
it rained, because he has small hands, ball was coming
out of his arm. I mean no, I'm not. I
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mean literally that game in Cleveland when it was wet,
it's like two missing his left tackle and I think
Deebo Samuel got her. Oh yeah, oh my gosh. He
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And the kicker shakes an extra pointer, field goal or
whatever they win the game.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I can't wait for football. All I know is when
it's wet or windy that cannot be excused.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
You mean, like for Jared Goff, when it's wet and windy,
he can't play football.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He's pretty good? Also true? Come on, and I like
GoF Hey, I like golf. It sounds like it. So
you're a big fan of Jared Goff. When I look
at that list, I don't have a problem with any
of that list. None of it bothers me. I think
Dak's a little high, but I've been saying this for years.
Dak is like the twelfth best quarterback in the league.
By the way, I was a bigger fan of Derek
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Carr for years because I thought he was the life
preserver on a sinking ship with the Raiders. But I
watched him in New Orleans last year and I sold
my stock. It was captain check down. Everything was underneath
and I did not. Yeah, I mean CJ. Stroud's seven
off one year. Yeah, but again, I test the kid throws. Look,
I mean the kid against my Jets and the Ravens. No,
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but he I mean top college quarterback. You watch him
in the AFC, and that you start watching him in
the big test division in football.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
He I mean, it's just like when we watched Lamar.
We came in week eleven for the Ravens and you
watched him for about five or six weeks. You're like,
I don't know how great he's gonna be, but that's special.
List is that looks like anybody else in the league.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Stroud is very good.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I just think it's a little lofty after six seventeen,
eighteen whatever games he played, You know, that's a little
lofty for me.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
All right, coming up next alive at the All Star
Game in Arlington, Texas. Want to thank Derek Jeter for
stopping by today. Derek Jeter, you're good at those All
Star games.
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to
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for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go our number,
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the Team USA vanquishing Team Australia. Lit'll tune up for
the Olympics. He'll look close at the end. They'll be
joining us in a couple of minutes, Derek Jeter, the captain.
We'll be joining us in thirty minutes from now Arlington,
Texas for the All Star Game. By the way, the
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Yankees are completely falling apart. Dodgers are not falling apart. Well,
they're physically falling apart. Their injury list is insane. The
best team in baseball Orioles of the shock of baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Not how you start, how you finish. I'm not worry
about the Yankees Dodgers World Series.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's inevitable. Sorry, Phillies fans. I was just looking over
jeter stats legendary. His career is well and it was
also because that was in an era where the Yankees
had the Yes Network and that was making four one
hundred million a year and other teams. I mean, there
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was no hot stove League. It was who the Yankees
wanted league, a little bit like the Dodgers do now
with a Moki or a Freddie Freeman. They just have
more money. But it is, it is. Some of his
numbers are got thirty five hundred hits he played, he played.
Think about this. Derek Jeter played almost one hundred and
(01:50):
sixty playoff games. That's insane. He had two hundred hits
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, I'm a New York guy. He's my favorite
baseball player of all time. It used to be Don Mattingly.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Here's what's interesting. Willie Mays recently passed away. Willie Mays
is probably considered none of us saw Babe Ruth play
Willie Mays. Some of us I didn't, but some of
us did see Willy Mays play. Willie Mays is considered
the greatest athlete to ever play baseball, the best player.
There's Mickey Mannle loyalists, there's Babe Ruth. But let's you know,
they'll say Willie Mays. Derek Jeter is the only other
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player in the history of baseball that has three thousand hits,
a three hundred plus batting average, and three hundred plus
stolen bases and two hundred and fifty homers. Most people
don't know that Jeter had that many home runs. Think
about that. It's Willy, and Willy played for a long time,
eventually ended up with the Mets. You know that he
was a shadow of what he once was. But I mean,
if Willie's the greatest player of all time, because I
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always remember this with people would say, well, if Derek
Jeter played for the Royals, dude, those numbers are insane. God,
that is unbelievable. Two hundred hits in the playoffs for
Derek Cheter. I will also say this. We were talking
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about this last week. So baseball is a little bit
down right because of offenses down so the pitching is
so dominant, but the games are much faster, So the
games last two hours and thirty five minutes now, So
I found I find myself with baseball. I had a
moment years ago when I was in Connecticut and it
(03:34):
was watching Nesson and Nesson is the Red Sox. I
don't know if they still are. They carried the Red
Sox games. And I'm down there working out and had
made me a gym for my Christmas present. We had
this weird room down in the house that was unusable.
She made it into a workout room and so I'd
put like the Yankees of the Red Sox on and
I would work out. And this is I've been here
eight years to it. This is about twelve, thirteen years ago,
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whatever it is. And there's a Blue Jays Red Sox
game on and it's in Toronto, and it's middle innings,
it's like fifth or sixth inning. And I start my workout.
I usually work out for about fifty minutes short of
an hour, just good with good left, good sweat. I'm out.
It was an inning and a half. And I remember
thinking at the time they kind of feed this game up.
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We all have phones, like in my step sons. At
the time, they weren't watching baseball. They were watching soccer.
They would get up on Saturday morning and watch I
think it was on NBC, the Premier League. And I'm like,
they're in Red Sox territory. They played little league baseball,
They're not watching baseball. They're watching soccer and then baseball.
Like you know, generally, it takes a while for baseball
to sort of change, very tied to its lower and
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its history. But this pitch clock, there is no question
that you can sit join a baseball game for forty
minutes and get through two or three innings if they
don't have a pitching change, especially if it's early innings
and the pitchers have their best stuff. They haven't gone
through the order three times. Games fly by, And so
(05:00):
I'm hearing this right now. We're gonna be on FS
one at what time, guys, eleven oh seven?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
All right?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Uh seven ish? Then we'll we'll join the regular crew.
And so for all of baseball, the misgivings about it,
it's lost some of its social currency since since the
pitch clock came and Derek Jeter bottom of the hour,
the attendance is up and the ratings are up, and
probably because it's more of a global sport, it's probably
the best baseball has been. Now. The Yankees are struggling,
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the Dodgers are all injured, but I will say this,
it takes baseball forever. NFL will change on a dime.
Basketball I mean basketball changed its ball and didn't even
give the players the heads up. Remember when they did
the sleeves on the jerseys and it was a it
busted and then they changed the ball and it was
no good and the late Davin Starret acknowledge, Yeah, we
probably shouldn't have done those, But the NBA has always
(05:53):
been there's an old saying Basketball thinks of it first,
the NFL gets it right, and Baseball makes the most
money on it, whatever the changes are. So I kind
of feel like baseball has sort of kindly finally figured
it out. Now they have a different issue is that
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the pitching is so dominant in baseball. It is so
utterly dominant in baseball that the Major League Baseball average
is like two thirty three like it, you know, Aaron Judge, OTAWNI.
You know, the top guys, Mookie Bets can hit, but
the pitchers are dominating the sport. So instead of waiting
forever on replay, which baseball did, or waiting forever on
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the pitch clock, which Major League Baseball did, they would
be much better served to lower the mound six inches.
They did this with Bob Gibson in the late sixties.
Nobody could hit. Certain pitchers were dominating the sport, and
all sports are better with more action. So there's just
not enough. There's not enough hits. There's not enough extra
base hits. And you know, baseball's always been a little
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obsessed by analytics, numbers, and you know, statistics and averages,
but that's what the sport is. But what they have
to do now is not Wait. I remember being on
a plane. I was on a Delta flight east coast
to the west, and I sat with the GM of
the Richmond Spiders. It was a Double A base it
was a Richmond something. They were a Double A baseball team,
and he was a general manager and they had instituted
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in the minor leagues the pitch clock. They'd instituted and
so I'm on, I'm on like a four hour flight
with him, and I'm like, he recognized me. We started talking.
He was I worked in minor league baseball, and I said, hey,
how does that thing work? He goes, you can't believe it.
He goes, It's sped our game up by thirty minutes.
And he said, I think no, he said, it sped
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our game up by twenty minutes. He he goes, I
think it's going to speed major League Baseball up by
thirty minutes. It hasn't. It's been about twenty twenty five minutes.
But it was long over and they tried it in
minor league baseball for a couple of years and it's
absolutely helped baseball attendance up. People love sports, They have
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a we all have a clock. Welcome back to the Herd.
We are in hour three. We are going to have
Derek Jeter joining us in twenty minutes from the All
Star Game, where the Phillies are well represented with eight players.
Let's start with this story. The door maybe reopening for
Caitlin Clark to make the Olympic team. Diana Tarassi has
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an injury, but from the beginning, women's basketball hasn't quite
known how to handle Caitlyn Clark. It reminds me a
little bit when Taylor Swift, the singer, became a billionaire
with the Eras tour, and like the management team and
ticketmaster had to apologize, like in ten minutes they couldn't
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supply enough tickets. It was just they were completely overwhelmed.
And I think that's what women's basketball was with Caitlin Clark.
I mean, they knew a year out she could be
the number one pick. They give her the toughest schedule
early schedule in the league over any other team. And
remember the Indiana Fever were the worst team. So she
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comes in. They start one to eight. They put nothing
but quality veteran teams that had been in the playoffs.
Terrible start, and then the league has to scramble because
she's selling jerseys and merch like crazy. They've got to
switch venues in LA. They went from the Pyramid in
Long Beach to Crypto and the league just then they
league got You know, this is what happens sometimes with
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soccer fans. They feel ignored, and WA fans feel ignored,
so they get very precious, very tribal, very insular. She's
not gonna make the USA women's basketball Olympic team, and
you're like, are you crazy? Go look at the men's team.
It's political. Jalen Brown's not on it because Nike doesn't
want him on it. Kyrie Irving's not on it because
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nig didn't want him on it. You're not gonna put
Caitlin Clark, your Taylor Swift on the team. Well, you know,
she sells out her All Star Jersey in seventeen minutes.
I'm still not sure women's basketball quite has their feet
under them. You know, they're they're doing a ticket Master,
they're bailing water. She's exploding as a player. She leads
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the WNBA in assists. She's third in three pointers made.
Indiana's won eight of twelve. Yesterday's a prime example where
she is in the fourth quarter, best player on the floor.
Had a choppy first half but had ten points. But
you're not going to hear anybody pick on women's basketball
as a unit. There's a lot of sick of fans
in the media. They feel like the sport's been ignored,
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so they're part of the brigade to support it. And
that's fine, but let's be honest about it. The sportman
a terrible decision on the Olympic team. The scheduling early,
even though they knew she was coming out and probably
going to be a number one pick a year earlier.
About the time they were making schedules was ridiculous. And
now Indiana's on fire. Caitlin Clark's like a seventeen eight
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and six player. She's getting better by the week. She
says the right stuff at the podium. She's there's nothing
about her you don't like, and it's like, now, you
made a big mistake the first time not putting her
on the Olympic team. Don't double down on dumb. Get
her on the team. Give us a reason to watch
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the Olympic women's team. You guys win gold every year.
Your competition's week, you win it every year. Give us
a reason quadruple your television ratings with her promoting not
only the other women on the team that could get endorsements,
but promoting your sport. There's a reason that top movie
stars and top athletes use the same four or five agents,
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because they can handle it. They don't get overwhelmed. Women's
basketball is spelt overwhelmed. Here. You got your Connor McGregor,
your baseball, You got your Bryce Harper. You know it's
very You got your Messy in the MLS. You put
him on TV. You know the whole salary cap in
the MLS. It's funny they got Messy into the MLS.
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The guy makes more than some of the teams. They
figured out a way to get him into the MLS.
They weren't precious and rigid and so listen. In basketball terms,
this is a layoff in NBA terms, it's a slam dump.
If you can get her on the Olympic team you
missed the first time, do it the second time. You're
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doing yourself a favor. Don't get in the way of yourself.
All right. Five time World Series champ Derek Jeter joins
us from the All Star Game.
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Speaker 2 (13:32):
It's the twenty twenty four All Star Game. Coverage begins
tomorrow at seven pm Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean those are stars, Aaron Judge, o'tani and Bryce Harpor.
You see those guys, Those are stars, and you're gonna
see him this week in the All Star Game. Jaymcklanews,
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Speaker 3 (13:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
All right on, Let's start with Team USA.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The exhibition just wrapped up against Australia.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
They were twenty and a half point favorites by fifteen
entering the fourth and Australia decided to make a big run.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They cut it to four in the final minute. USA
wins ninety eight ninety two. Now listen, Obviously we're on air.
We didn't get to watch a lot of the game,
but it looks like the US not emptied the bench
but put in kind of little bit Halliburton and company
the end of the bench guys, and Australia made it
a run. But overall it sounds like the US they
were dominating the first half with their core guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Currie Lebron.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So I'm not going to read too.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Much into this, but you know, some people, I'm sure,
are going to make a big deal out of not
covering the spread in an exhibition game.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well, when I watched, I watched during the breaks in
the first half, we were you know, it was it
was a size advantage and it was a skill advantage.
So I don't you know, I think the reality is
I wouldn't get too caught up on what you saw
at the end of a game. If you watched the
early portions, which I watched bits and pieces, it was
pretty dominant.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, Anthony Edwards buried a bunch of threes early. He
had seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Your guy Ad, Hey, maybe they are.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
When I watched Ad, he was physically dominant and he
was like battling on the glass, pushing guys around. It
was good.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, just so people know, the FEBO rules are different,
so there's gonna be some stuff that you're not used to.
The time is huge, Okay, NBA game forty eight minutes.
These are not forty eight minute I think they're forty
minute games. So like, you know, you fall behind, you
have a cold shooting night, like it can get Dicey.
I think they were twelve of twenty nine on threes.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Not great. But ultimately, listen, we have the best team
in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They're better than the Dream Team, but I think we're
deeper than the Dream Team by far. We're better than them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now, the twenty eight team was interesting with prime Kobe,
prime Lebron, that team prime Wade.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That team was nasty.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No knock on the Dream Team. They were beating a
bunch of tomato cans. Sorry, sorry, go look up the
rosters in the ninety two Olympics. There's like no NBA
guys playing barely.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Now the best guys in the NBA, like Yannis is
playing for Greece, Yo Kitchen Serbia, Like this field is loaded.
All right, let's move on to the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So they were criticized for having a subpart receiving core
last season, but that didn't stop them from winning the
Super Bowl. They made some offensive editions this season this offseason. Sorry,
and Travis Kelsey said he's excited about the new talent
on the squad.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
We got Xavier Worthy, we got Marquise Brown, we got
we got some dogs, we got some some unbelievable talent.
You got to revamp the team every single year. You
got to remold the team. Last year we got better
as the season went on. So it's gonna be a
long haul if we if we get a chance to
do it. But uh, I'm just excited to get back
into the into the football world.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No place more beautiful than Lake Tahoe in the summer,
never been in Oh Oh. It's just absolutely stunning. And
by the way the ball travels, you're up in the mountains.
Do you take your driver to Lake Tahoe, You're gonna
feel like you're Ben Hogan and Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
In their prime.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I like how he's like, yeah, we got Xavier Worthy
and Marquise Brown.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
While we don't get afraid he forgot, We've still got
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He's alive, he's breathing, like, let's not go overboard. Final
story is Tua entering the final year of his deal,
reportedly still having conversations with the Dolphins about an extension.
No new deal yet, But Tyreek Hill thinks to what
deserves to be paid like a top tier quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
For people to like sit here and try to discreate
a tool and say you know he's not deserving of
a contract is wild to me, man, because a lot
of like a lot of guys on the team understands
his value and understands, you know that we need him
like we need we need his leadership, We need you know,
his mindset, like like the mindset that he brings into
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each and every week is there, Like it's like it's
like terminator almost.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Man.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So I feel like he should be one of the
highest paid quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Cast your figures on health. He's pretty good, pretty good,
j MC of the New Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd line saying this earlier
the All Star Games on Fox tomorrow. The most remarkable
thing that Derek Jeter did it Willie Mays recently passed away,
and Willie Mays is considered I didn't watch, Babe Ruth Right,
didn't see Willie Mays, but Willie Mays is considered kind
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of the best baseball player of all time. Willie Mays
and Derek Jeter are the only two players in baseball
history that have three thousand plus hits batted over three
hundred three hundred plus dolen bases in two hundred and
fifty homers. You didn't think Derek Jeter had that much power,
but yes he did. But even better than that is
Derek Jeter now joins us live from Arlington too. But
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here's a number.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Here's a number, Derek, that's even more impressive. This crime
and this made me laugh. This is like a Beer
League softball number. You apparently batted four eighty one in
All Star games? Is that a do you look?
Speaker 7 (18:43):
I need to bring you along anytime I go do
an appearance. You can introduce me. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Go back to your first All Star game. Take me
to it. Who pitched? Were you nervous? Where was it?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I can't tell you who pitched. I can tell you
where it was. It was in Colorado. And the thing
about your first All Star game is you're really overwhelmed.
It's an overwhelming experience. You're sharing the clubhouse, even though
you play against these guys for the first time in
your life. You're sharing the clubhouse with the best players
in all of baseball, the best players in the world.
So I was a little quiet. I was in the corner.
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I was trying to keep to myself. I was trying
to soak it all in. But other than that, I
know I struck out because I looked it up before
I came here today to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But other than that, I don't remember too much.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
It was sort of kind of a fog because this
is something you dream of as as a kid, is
playing in an All Star game, and I was pretty
young at the time, so I'm sharing the clubhouse and
playing against guys that I looked up to.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So, you know, one of the criticisms of the Yankees
this year, and I know Aaron Bone and I really
like him, is that he's really player friendly. Well, I
think baseball, because it's such a long season, I think
you have to be player friendly. I think you have
to trust your veteran players. You know you can't. It's
not the NFL, where you know you only have so
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many times you have to deal with a coach. Is
the criticism? Though? Is there some fairness that Aaron is
a little buddy buddy with players? Do you buy that
or the Are there other reasons for the month and
a half struggle?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Oh, I wouldn't necessarily buy that. You have to be
a player's manager to be successful, especially this day and age.
The great thing about Aaron. Aaron played the game. He
understands that you're going to have struggles throughout the course
of a six month season. You play one hundred and
sixty two games, and you're going to struggle, and you know,
I think he's done a great job. Ultimately, it falls
on the players. Those are the ones that are on
the field playing the games. Actually, but I would say
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I haven't paid much attention to the criticism. I think
criticism is a part of playing in New York, especially
when the expectation level is where it is. But if
he is getting heavily criticized, I think it's a bit
unfair because ultimately the players are the ones that play.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So the Dodgers' injury report is insane. Now we all
know that this sport is really tough on pitchers, and
everybody's throwing hard. I swear to god, you go from
a starter at ninety eight to a set up guy
at at one oh one, to a closer at one
on one. But you remained for all those years. You
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remained really healthy. And when I do see injuries in baseball,
and we always talk about him in football, and I
think to myself, these guys, why pitchers don't throw as
many innings. I sometimes wonder do you do you consider
your career Was it training? I mean, nutrition's better today?
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Was it luck? But you mostly stayed healthy. The guys
travel better, the training is better. What do you make
of injuries, like a Dodger team that is just riddled
with injuries?
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Well, sometimes it's bad luck. I mean, you can't explain it.
We play a long season. You play what thirty games
in spring training, one hundred and sixty two during the
regular season, then you have the postseason. I was always
conditioned to play every day. I wanted to play every
single day. When you talk about pitchers, I think you know,
the starters aren't going as long as they used to
back in the day. You don't see too many Nolan
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Ryan's Roger Clemens that go out and pitch every single
day and they throw one hundred and fifty pitches when
they're out there. So I think now players are conditioned
to do a little bit less. And yeah, you do
mention that the travels better. It seems like it's a
lot easier than it was before. But it is a
very tough, difficult schedule, and you know it takes a
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toll on your body over time. So you know, I
was fortunate. You know, I played every day. I was
fortunate to only have really two serious injuries during my career.
But I was always conditioned to go out there and
play every day.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Are you surprised? You and Eli Manning, I've compared to that.
You always talk to the press. You were always always
viewed favorably by the New York press, but you never
gave them too much. You always knew when to stop talking,
and so you avoided I mean, you'd have a slump
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like the regular players, but you stayed out of the nonsense.
You lived your life and play. Oh Shohei Otani had
this major controversy around him, and it does not appear
to have affected him, and I'm kind of surprised. It's
are you surprised.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Had a controversy? What was the controversy? You know, I'll
be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
What Otani has been able to do on the field,
it takes a lot more than just physical capabilities. I mean, mentally,
he's probably as tough as anyone to be able to
do that, To be able to go out there and
pitch at a sigh, young level pace and then go
out and win an MVP offensively, so it's not too surprising.
I mean, he's been able to limit distractions. You know,
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when I played it, it was simple. I addressed something
once and I didn't talk about it again because I
didn't want it to be a distraction. And I think
that's exactly what he did, and he addressed it once
and it doesn't linger because he doesn't continue to speak
on it. So anything he does doesn't seem like it's
a surprise to me at all.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We have nineteen players in this All Star Game, Derek,
that are under the age of twenty seven. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's great for the sport, Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
It's absolutely wonderful for the sport to have these young
players that hopefully can play for a long long time.
And then you see him in the All Star Game
here tomorrow and hopefully you see some of these same
faces ten years from now.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Do you think it's because the game is more global
and we're just the pots bigger? I mean, what do
you make of it?
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I think part of it is guys are signing at
a young age, They're getting opportunities to play at a
young age. I think you throw analytics into the mix.
When they say players are getting old at the age
of thirty, they're looking for someone younger to come along
and fill the position. So I think guys are getting
those opportunities early on in their careers that you know,
maybe you didn't get at such an early age. You know,
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twenty thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, the Paul Skean's Pittsburgh Pirates, dominant guy overpowering you faced.
Obviously you were in the Nolan Ryan era.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
But oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, not even an slowed down slow down.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was way after Nolan wa wa after Nolan.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm trying to think of the hard
throw Randy Johnson. You faced Randy a few times, okay, okay, okay,
radd Let me think of somebody else. Let me think
of somebody else, Randy Roger, Clemens Roers, Roger through hard, Okay, no,
Nolan Tree, Okay, Pedro through hard. Was there ever a
guy with scheen Sometimes it's like guys are behind him,
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like behind him. First couple of times you faced maybe
a Randy Johnson or a Pedro. Did you ever go
back to the dugout and just say, fellas, this is different,
because that's what it looks like with this kid.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I tried not to, you know, because you want to
instill confidence in your teammates. But you know, just Paul,
I haven't seen him in person, but just watching him.
Most guys have an adjustment period, whether they're coming from
high school, college, it takes them a while in the
minor leagues. This guy stepped right in and it's it's
continued what he's doing. It's dominating. You know, he dominated
in college. Now he's dominating at the major league level,
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and that's pretty much unheard of. I think it's the
first one to be drafted number one and then the
following year starting All Star Games. So it's been fun
to watch.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Over the course of the second half of the season,
the league's going to make an adjustment, and I'm sure
he's going to make an adjustment to them.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I do apologize. I thought you and Nolan may overlap
for it.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
No no, no, no, no, no, no one no just one.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It bad, But it wasn't even one at bad. I
didn't face Nolan, right.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, I know, I thought you may have overlapped.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I don't have a fact check.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Wikipedia in front of me. Let me ask you this,
of all the All Stars you played for or with,
and there's a lot of different personalities in a different
style when you were on the dugout steps in the
All Star Game, and maybe it was a guy from
the National League that you just didn't see a lot
of Was there ever a guy that you thought, Oh,
(27:06):
I'm going to make sure I watched this cat. I've
seen him on TV, I've seen him on Sports Center.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, there were a few of them, but I think
the one that comes to mind is probably caw cal Ripken.
I mean, he was the first line of defense I had,
and I'm sure a lot of taller shortstops had when
people said you're a little bit tall to play the position,
we'd say, well, look at cal Ripkins. So obviously i'd
played against him in ninety six and ninety seven, my
first All Star Game in ninety eight, had a chance
to share the clubhouse with him. But I just watched
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him from afar. He's known for his work ethic, he's
known for being an iron man and having his streak,
and I just wanted to see how he prepared in
order to play that many games in a row. So
I think col is the guy that stands out to me.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, good seeing you. It's the All Star Game. It's
tomorrow on Fox that it starts at seven Eastern. And
do you you didn't remember your first All Star at bat?
Do you remember your well, let's see your final All
Star Game in twenty fourteen, you had two hits. You
were you were the MVP in two thousand. You boy,
you you really you eight at the All Star Games.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Four eight had fun. But I didn't face Nolan Ryan.
Just remember that I never faced Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Derek. There's a lot of you guys just played on
my television forever. I thought there was one, a just
one at bat somewhere in your life. Okay, my bad,
I'm sorry about that. By the way, Derek did not
face cy Young either. It should be no, he did
not face I'm sorry. Good seeing you by it, you too,
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talk to you soon, all right, My bad? I don't know.
I mean Nolan Ryan pitched forever. Derek played forever. I
thought there was an ab in there somewhere, the one
at bat or something. He h boy, you know it's
funny about he mentioned Pedro Martinez. So I grew up,
you know, in Seattle. I don't have the numbers in
front of me, but I think there was about a
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five year stretch that Pedro Martinez felt like he threw
four to one hitters against the maryor when if you're
talking about greatest pitchers, let's say I just said five years.
Like Sandy Colfax's career was not that long. Sandy Kofax
had six great years. Three of them he was virtually unhittable.
I mean Colefax was. It was very very short career
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at three years unhittable, six years good. It was about
if you just took you know, because pitcher's arms give way.
Obviously Verlander pitches forever, and Adam Wayne Wright, Roger Clemens.
There's these guys that are, you know, warriors. They pitch forever.
But if I said, like in the Sandy Colfax, if
you said five years of greatness, if you took the
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best five or six years, Colfax is the best. I
wonder if Martinez's second he was he was absolutely un hittable,
unhittable for a brief period. That's a spicy baseball take.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I need some time to dive into that. Pedro Martine
is really really good in his prime. I just didn't
like the Red Sox sees.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Like, mah, okay, Ryan, are you looking that up? You
should give me, give me the give me the Pedro
Martinez Mariner splits. I think he threw. I think he
threw four to one hitters against him. What I could
not hit him?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Wednesday, the defending Olympic chances will be back in action
as one of the most stacked USA basketball rosters in
history continues their tune ups for the Paris Games, and
they take on Serbia Wednesday at noon Eastern only on
FS one.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
By the way, Pedro Martinez, I got right on that one.
Thirteen and one against the Mariners with an ERA of
one point five to seven average, the strikeout one hundred
and thirty seven strikeouts and one hundred innings against the Mariners.
That's decent, right, thirteen and one, yeah, yeah yeah. And
Nolan Ryan retired at ninety three. Jeter opened in ninety five.
I thought they may have overlapt close. No one was
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closed in.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
The mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
There was no internet really at the time, right, Well,
I mean Nolan just pitched forever, and Jeter's career lasted forever.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't think I got on the internet like later nineties.
I'm pretty sure I was way Lady. He's like, I
can barely remember what I I.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Was way late to all the social stuff, you know now,
except TikTok. Because my wife, she'd all the food stuff
and all the animal stuff. She's on TikTok. So in
the morning she'll go through that thing for forty minutes
in the morning. I'm playing wordle CNN New York Times out.
She's on that thing forever. By the way, execs, coaches
and scouts ranked the NFL's top ten quarterbacks. So this
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is the list from the people inside the league on
the ten best quarterbacks for our radio audience. Mahomes is
one that's inarguable. Burrol's got some injury stuff, but he's two.
Josh Allen three, Lamar four, Stafford five. I don't have
a problem with any of that. Justin Herbert six, Stroud seven.
Aaron Rodgers. I don't know what Aaron is right now.
(31:50):
I've got to see it, but I didn't think his
last year in Green Bay he was quite the Aaron Rodgers.
I had watched Jared Goff nine, Dak Prescott ten. I
had said earlier. I think Jordan love when I watched
him go toe to toe with Dak, Prescott was better, younger, faster,
morve a whip accurate when he took a twenty seven
to nothing lead on Dak in Dallas and Dallas, and
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Dak looked nervous and anxious and inefficient. Jordan loves better,
but he hasn't played long, so people are gonna give Dak.
I would have Dak closer to twelve or thirteen. But
I will say seven of the top ten quarterbacks are AFC,
and it does feel I think the NFL feels a
little lobsided now. For years I felt it was lobsided
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on the NFC side. But seven of the top ten
quarterbacks are AFC, and I would say Mahomes has separated
from the pack, And in fact, I think when Burrow's healthy,
I think Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and Stafford have separated from
the pack. All have had a little bit more postseason
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success than Lamar Jackson, who I think is remarkable. Trevor
Lawrence has his best team ever in Jacksonville, and my
guess is a year from now we'll have Trevor Lawrence
in the top ten Now, the NFC has got two
things going for it. Chicago has Kayleb Williams, Jalen and
Daniels from LSU's going to Washington. I think they're both
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going to hit. I think they've joined good places now.
They have defensive head coaches, which I don't love, but
they've got some weaponry. They've got good offensive coordinators. So
I think if Caleb hits in Chicago and Jaden Daniels
hits in Washington and Jordan Love just keeps getting better,
I think the NFC is going to close the gap
a little. But most of these guys, six of the
top seven AFC quarterbacks are in their twenties. So the
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league does feel like college football felt very very regional,
too regional for about ten years with Bama, Georgia, Clemson dominating.
But college football's always been a regional sport. NFL's not,
but it does feel a bit lobsided. The other thing
is what makes the AFC feel so big now is
that the big Broo, the big markets in the NFC
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like Chicago, Washington, and New York have all whiffed on
quarterback picks, whereas the small markets in the AFC feel
much bigger. Cincinnati, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo because they've all
nailed their quarterback picks. So the AFC, which has always
been the NFC's historically gotten better ratings of Fox pregame
(34:27):
show into the games because it's bigger cities. The AFC
had the smaller cities, the Cincinnaties, the Buffaloes, the Baltimore's,
the Kansas Cities, the Jacksonvilles. But those small markets feel
bigger because they have the best quarterbacks in the game,
and whereas the NFC markets New York, Chicago. I mean,
even Brock Purdy is not a big name, right, He's
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not a first round Bally Hood the guy who watched
he didn't watch him at Iowa State and College. Most
people didn't. So the NFC's got the big markets, but
they've missed on quarterbacks, and the big market teams are
most yuck, whereas the small market teams nailed quarterbacks. They
all feel bigger than they've ever felt. But I do
think I think Caleb Williams is gonna hit in Chicago.
(35:09):
I think Jade and Daniel is going to be way
better than people think in Washington, and I think Jordan
loves here to stay I also think Jared Goff and Stafford.
There have been rumors about Stafford retiring. I don't buy it.
He's too good and his injuries haven't been major. He
bangs his hand on a helmet, he may have, you know,
a little here, he's got some elbow soreness. You know,
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he's not breaking collar bones. I think Stafford's got two
to three great years left, and it should be noted
the Rams Oh lines better now that it's been in
three or four years. I'm surprised you said that, oh
Jordan Love left off the top ten when essentially we
would agree he had about eight good games this season.
He did not start out good. Yet no mention whatsoever
(35:50):
of Brock Perdy, who was I believe third in the
MVP voting. Bro and a guy who head to head
had a fourth quarter comeback to be Jordan Loving the
playoffs and a fourth quarter come back to be Jared
goffin the playoff. But we also contextualize things. He has
arguably the best offensive coach after Andy Reid and seven
Hall of Famers at his disposal. So when you watch
(36:13):
him play, even against Jordan Love, Jordan's bigger moves, better,
got more of a whip better deep ball. Brock Perty
is the classic drafted into the ideal situation for the
record Dak Prescott. A lot of Dak Prescott's early success.
Zeke was the best running back in the league for
about the first three to four years. He had an
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offensive coach who was a quarterback in the NFL, Jason Garrett.
The Cowboys O line for three to four years was
right now. The Lions O line clearly the best in
the league, and the division wasn't great. Everybody was kind
of you know, it wasn't nearly as good. So early
years for Dak. I mean he came in as a
fourth round quarterback. O line was the best in the league.
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Running back, was the best in the league, offensive coach
as the league was pivoting to offense, and he had
des Bryant, a touchdown machine on the outside, very supportive
free agent market. Cowboys always draft pretty well and so
it was perfect for him. You have to contextualize these things.
As the team has relied more on Dak because he's
made money and they'd lost some Amari Coopers, they're not
(37:18):
as good, they're not as viable in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Listen, I think they won twelve games these in the
last three years. I know the playoff failures.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You look at the Lions, they had the best offensive
line in the league last year. For golf, it's like
he's set up to succeed Johnson, the most coveted out
see in the law, and he threw for fifty four
hundred yards and had a better passer rating than Mahomes.
So he delivered on them. He did a party delivered.
He was third in MVP voting, have phenomenal touchdowns. MVP
voting is not passer rate. MVP voting is a subjecting.
(37:48):
Passer rating is a you know, it's a It's a
metric we use based on a series of statistics. So
Trey Lance was the quarterback of the Niners with the
seven Hall of Famers. He didn't do jack squat. They
shipped amount of town. Well, we're not saying Brock Purty
isn't better than a quarterback viewed as a bust. We're
saying you're listing top ten quarterback. I think it's undeniable Pertty.
(38:09):
He's the top ten quarterback based on the numbers. Now,
if you're looking projections, he's got a better arm who
throws a better deep wall. Well, I mean that's another story.
Let's ask yourself this. Derek White on the Celtics. Derek
White's not a number one, but on the Celtics when
he plays as a as a part of a machine,
the fourth or fifth. Yeah, but if you took out
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Tatum and Brown and said Derek You're are one, Derek
White wouldn't be like that you're saying. If you put
like Derek White on the Pelicans, Yeah, it's Derek White.
He's a good player. But there who you play with matters.
I mean j R. Smith was a mess in New York.
They had to get him out of town. He goes
to Cleveland with Lebron and everybody's like, I love this guy. Right,
(38:54):
Like kcp's career, he was having some personal problems. He
plays with Lebron and ad in that Laker team. His career.
When you're viewed as like not a star but a
good player, I mean, Brock's clearly got talent. Your coach
and who you play with matter. Brady elevated every receiver.
We don't know if Brock is elevating receivers. I mean,
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Jimmy Garoppolo got to Super Bowls. What has Garoppolo done
outside of Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Okay, and Garoppolo was getting to Super Bowls and led
Mahomes in the fourth quarter. So what gms and executives
and scouts are saying on brock Purty the coach and
the players, not that he's bad, but they're saying, you
got a contexture. I mean, Justin Herbert has yet to
have the right coach and he I think his first
three years in the league it was the most touchdowns
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ever thrown by a quarterback in the first three years
and he had bad protection at the time. So let's
say you put Jordan Love on the Chiefs with with
Andy Reid and he'd be great.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Anybody would be great.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Brock Perty would be great, right, meaning you're down here. No,
you could be really successful. You wouldn't dominate the sport
like Mahomes is doing. Listen, man, brock Perty's dominating the
sport right now with the Niners back to back NFC
championship games. He got hurt against Eagles or who knows.
(40:13):
I just feel like we're not trusting the numbers. When
the numbers say, person, it's elite, No, it's it's not
just trusting the numbers. Dak. You can't trust the numbers
on Dak. Watch Dak. He doesn't throw a fluid, beautiful football.
His college coach came on My show, Dan mullinan said,
we love Dak the guy. We still didn't think he could.
(40:34):
We didn't think he was a good thrower of the football.
He wasn't as he's good. You don't think he's a
very good throw No, I think if you if you're
talking about the best balls in the league, Josh Allen
Mahomes staffords.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Are awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Joe Burrow doesn't have one of the biggest arms. He's
a great thrower of the football. Jared Goff is a
top five deliverer of the football. Jared Goff, Kyler Murray,
it's a thing of beauty. But I mean you, Brock
Purty's not in that clown. I mean Brock Purty when
it rained, because he has small hands, ball was coming
out of his arm. I mean no, I'm not. I
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mean literally that game in Cleveland when it was wet,
it's like two missing his left tackle and I think
Deebo Samuel got her. Oh yeah, oh my gosh. He
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And the kicker shakes an extra pointer, field goal or
whatever they win the game.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I can't wait for football. All I know is when
it's wet or windy that cannot be excused.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
You mean, like for Jared Goff, when it's wet and windy,
he can't play football.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He's pretty good? Also true? Come on, and I like
GoF Hey, I like golf. It sounds like it. So
you're a big fan of Jared Goff. When I look
at that list, I don't have a problem with any
of that list. None of it bothers me. I think
Dak's a little high, but I've been saying this for years.
Dak is like the twelfth best quarterback in the league.
By the way, I was a bigger fan of Derek
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Carr for years because I thought he was the life
preserver on a sinking ship with the Raiders. But I
watched him in New Orleans last year and I sold
my stock. It was captain check down. Everything was underneath
and I did not. Yeah, I mean CJ. Stroud's seven
off one year. Yeah, but again, I test the kid throws. Look,
I mean the kid against my Jets and the Ravens. No,
(42:17):
but he I mean top college quarterback. You watch him
in the AFC, and that you start watching him in
the big test division in football.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
He I mean, it's just like when we watched Lamar.
We came in week eleven for the Ravens and you
watched him for about five or six weeks. You're like,
I don't know how great he's gonna be, but that's special.
List is that looks like anybody else in the league.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Stroud is very good.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I just think it's a little lofty after six seventeen,
eighteen whatever games he played, You know, that's a little
lofty for me.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
All right, coming up next alive at the All Star
Game in Arlington, Texas. Want to thank Derek Jeter for
stopping by today. Derek Jeter, you're good at those All
Star games.
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