July 17, 2024 • 42 mins
Bill Belichick still wants to coach in the NFL and there are some teams he is interested in.
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I'm telling you, Jmac, you got a dress for success.
Today is a day I wanted to be optimistic. Now
I haven't been yet, but I think this shirt is
an optimistic shirt, and at some point today I will
pivot to being more positive.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, I thought you were making a reference about my shirt.
I've never won this thoughts just got me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A new gear, you know. And now I thought you
were going to say, like, you look good in your shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But that reminds me of a shirt you wore when
you had dual ear rings and you were giving out
phone number in New York. It's very no.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I wasn't giving out.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was securing from them, from the ladies, or trying
trying to be cool back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, it was fun to be young.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You're still young.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
In my mind.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
My body says otherwise when I play hoops all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So there's a story here. Tom Pellisero, who we've had
on the show before, was on Rich Eisen Show yesterday
and he said that Bill Belichick is still very engaged
in the game and he wants to coach next year.
Is that he's going to do some of this media
stuff inside the NFL, and you know he wants his
name out there, and you know he's going to constantly
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because his career did not end well in New England
and his draft in developing was atrocious. So what he
got to show for it, he's old bad track record
on drafting. He's a kind of a power driven guy
who wants to do what he wants to do. I
would have a hard time drafting. I would have a
hard time hiring Belichick on last he was completely willing
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to allow the front office to do the drafting. Bill's
not good on it, but he's too arrogant at this
point in his career to acknowledge he's not good at it.
He's atrocious at it. The last seven drafts for the
Patriots have been among the worst in the league, and
Bill has absolutely controlled those. The reason he didn't get
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a job wasn't his coaching. That wasn't it. It was
his inability to disengage from the drafting and the personnel stuff.
And I've heard that from two people in the NFL
that know a lot about his coaching interest. Bill. Teams
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do not want to hand over anything to Bill but
the coaching whistle. That's what they want him to do.
But a lot of these coaches, you get into a
Greg Popovitch situation, older in their career, they got stacks
of money, they got the rings, the legacy, the power,
the e go they want, you know, as Bill Parcell said,
if I'm making the food, I want to pick the groceries.
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And that's where Belichick is. So the teams that would
be willing to relinquish all that power are mostly lousy teams.
Even a team like Atlanta, which is so so, was
not willing to do that. So, but Tom Pellisero is
saying he's hearing Bill. It doesn't matter if it's roasts
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football talk shows. He is staying engaged. So the Belichick list,
in my opinion, from what I've heard, are three teams, Philadelphia,
Dallas and Buffalo. I've heard two things about Belichick, and
I trust my sources on this. He would rather stay
out east. He's got his place in Nantucket. He golfs
down in Jupiter, Florida. Bill doesn't have any interest moving
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everybody out west. The second thing, he would like the
quarterback situation to be stable. The instability post Brady was
his downfall. There's nothing more stable than Dak and Josh Allen.
Jalen Hurts will wait and see. My guess is he'll
rebound and have a better year. So but I will
tell you this is that the Buffalo one is really
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intriguing to me. Not because Sean McDermott's not a good coach.
Andy Reid was a great coach and Philadelphia moved off him.
But you get to a point with McDermott now, is
that the receiving course seems light. The offense has been
productive with Josh Allen, but we worry about that side
progressing OC hires o line, lack of run game, and
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you got Houston's rising, Herbert's got Harbaugh, Ravens are still elite.
Here comes Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence has his best roster.
I think Sean McDermott, without being on the hot seat,
I think there is a sense that you can't just
win the division again. It's got to be more than that.
You got to have higher standards. And I know Buffalo
is a small market, and if they win ten games
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and go ten and seven and lose, you know they
win a playoff game close, everybody goes. Maybe next year.
But I feel like there's an underlying heat on Sean McDermott.
I don't care what his contract status is. All those
contracts are rounding airs for billionaire owners at this point,
the Buffalo one. And he could also come back and
rub it in the Patriots face. And we know Belichick
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can hold grudges. You don't think he wants to face
the Patriots twice a year and rub it in Robert
Kraft's face. You're out of your mind. I even think,
as a long shot, keep your eye on the Jets,
but that would be like one hundred to one long shot.
I don't think he'd take the Giants. People have suggested that,
but that quarterback situation's a mess. With that former NFL scout,
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he's at the volume. He's my buddy, covered the NFL
for fifteen years. John Mittlecoy scouted with the Eagles. You know,
it's interesting. You know the Eagles really well and I
put him on the bellichecklist. Is one of the things
I've always appreciated about them is they've moved off witting
coaches Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson, Andy Reid. I was told
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there are concerns about Nick Sirianni that if you take
Shane Steich and now an Indy out of his career,
he struggled with his side of the ball offense. You
tell me your take on Jeffrey Loriie John and what
if Siriani what if they're good not great? And what
if Jalen Hurts, you know, continues to be a little
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bit less than we thought he was when they paid him.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well. I think they thought long and hard about Bill
Belichick last year, you know, after the ending of that
season historic collapse. I think it was a very real possibility.
Now it would have been the first defensive coach that
Jeffrey Lurry has hired. He has an offensive just the
you know, if you think about it, Andy Reid, Doug Peterson,
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Sirianni Chip Kelly. Yeah, it would have been a little
out of the norm. But Jeffrey Lurry's a Boston guy,
and there was a NBA Finals game where Jeffrey Lury
was there with about twenty five players. I don't think
the twenty five players drove. I think he brought them
all so that area. He's obviously played Belichick twice in
the Super Bowl, so I definitely think that's a possibility.
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I just have a hard time now that you get
Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio, who clearly they wanted last year.
I don't see how they're not good now, super Bowl good,
who knows, But I think they're going to be in
the playoffs. And this gets to the Giants conversation with
sakuon Barkley A little like Christian McCaffrey. You know, you
put them there that they have so many pieces. I'm
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not saying you and I could lead him to ten wins,
but I think we'd be pretty competitive. Now you add Fangio,
one of the best defensive coordinators. Listen, Siriani, a little
bit of a hothead, motivator. He's a CEO, but I
kind of like my CEOs to be a little older.
He's a younger CEO, but he doesn't have to call
the offense because a couple of years ago, like you said,
said Shane Sikin, now he's got Kellen Moore. He's ran
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an offense forever in Dallas. Hit some speed bumps last year,
but anyone would working for Brandon State, I bet the
Eagles would be pretty competitive now if they lose in
the first or second round because of the expectations of
the city, a little like the Lakers or the Yankees,
like it doesn't fly. Especially with a payroll like they
have and the talent, you never know. They're definitely a
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wild card. I would disagree with you a little bit though.
On the Giants. For Belichick, I do think they're a team.
They have some defensive pieces. You know, the owner pretty
old school. Bill's obviously been there, they have a relationship.
I don't think there is any amount of money in
the world to get Belichick to go to the Jets.
But I do think the Giants would be lingering out
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there if they have a bad season. That when you
look at their roster. I don't see how they're gonna
be any good.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I'm watching HBO Max. I'm watching the Mara conversations
with Joe Shane, and I've got to tell you there's
a couple of moments. I know a lot of that stuff,
it's people acting for the cameras, but there are these
body language moments every year on Hard Knocks. You know
when Des Ryan was in Dallas chewing out a coach,
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his career, basically his market disappeared. Antonio Brown, you know,
freezing cryo, freezing his feet, like his market like he
got a crazy label. And I've watched that. I want
to play this the Hard Knocks video. You got the
owner covering his head, the Saquon Barkley move, Joe Shane smiling,
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the the you know, the the middle management guys around
him won't make eye contact. Let's play the tape.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Where what's the latest on I just.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Got a text that Chicago's driving the price up and
Philly's out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know if that's true or not, which I
don't know. If I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I don't even know if that's gonna then happen, But.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I have a tough time sleep and sink one goes
to filming hope downside of that, As I've told you,
just being up, I have been around enough players, but
he's the He's the most popular player we.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Have by far, by the the way his source said,
Philly was out also not great telling your boss. Yeah,
I don't know. I watched that and I thought to myself,
Saquon Barkley is gonna crush for the Eagles come back
to haunt the Giants. What do you make of New
York football teams right now? There's talent everywhere on both defenses,
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Giants Jets. What do you make of that interaction there?
I just can't see Less Snead and Stan Kronkey having
that moment.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Why I would say the number one thing having been
around Howie Roseman, a GM has to have just locked
down is information. Because your entire job, it's a little
bit like a stock trader, right when it comes to coaches,
when it comes to players, when it comes to trades,
you have to have an understanding of the market. That
means knowing what other GMS are thinking. That means knowing
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what the agents are thinking. That means no understanding the
value of contracts. They made this big deal about Saquon
Barkley not paying them. Well, a couple of years ago,
let's say four or five, the running back contracts were
just a little out of whack and they were backfiring. Well,
now they're a bargain.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
One day a house is overvalued, the next day it
might be undervalue. Things change. The Eagles got Saquon Barkley
for twenty six million dollars guaranteed. His cap hit this
year is three point eight million dollars for example. You know,
to contrast that Daniel Jones ninety two million dollars guaranteed.
His cap hit this year is almost fifty million dollars.
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I think there are two teams if you're gonna lose
Saquon Barkley. Listen, if he goes to the Cardinals, if
he goes to the Vikings, if he had gone to
the Bears, who cares? Under no circumstances could the guy
go to the Cowboys or the Eagles, But especially the Eagles.
You saw John Marr's face. You know why he knows
he's gonna be successful there. How's he not gonna be
successful there? It's a little like once McCaffrey got to
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the forty nine ers. Now mcaffrey's a better player, but
it seems like it's gonna work, and it's gonna work
really well. And he didn't pay him very much money.
So Joe Shane, I give them credit, even though I
think the NFL kind of forced them. They have been
very open in terms of the editing of this, Like
we've got a lot of good inside information in terms
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of how he connects with the agents, how he talks
with his staff. But he seems like a nice guy,
seems a little over his head. Yeah, and I just
know Howie Roseman, I mean, would have flipped a lid
at this point in time in the process if he
doesn't have all the information. Now, obviously you don't know
everything the other teams are gonna do, but his right
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you know, Joe Shane's right hand man, Brandon Brown, worked
for how he for years. So for them not to
understand that the Eagles weren't just I mean, they kind
of knew they were interested, but they were really interested
and it was pretty clear and then they signed him.
So you saw John Marr's face. Listen. They have now
a history post Tom Coughlin of firing a lot of people,
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and I don't see how the Giants are going to
be very good. And if Saquon goes to have success,
the writing's on the wall. I mean, all these guys
are going to lose their job.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You covered you were with San Francisco in that area
for years. So Brandon Ayuk and Deebo Samuels said he
wanted out and they signed him. Brandon Ayyuk's been a
bit more forceful in social media and leaks. But now
Ricky piersall the first round running a first round receiver
gets hurt with a non football injury.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Not ideal.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
What what do you make of that? And what do
you make of Ayuk? My take is brock Perty's not
a big arm guy. I think you could get a
first rounder for Ayuk if piersaal hit. But that's a
dubious early injury. What do you make of that Ayuk situation? John?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I think the problem of trading Ayuk at this
point for a pick is the forty nine ers are
in big picture mode. I mean, let's face it, they're
kind of super Bowl or bust this year. Last year
was pretty devastating this team. I mean, George Kittle's thirty
years old. Trent Williams is thirty five years old. You know,
Deebo is just has a lot of wear and tearo
in those tires. I think the situation became complicated. You know,
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once they signed Deebo Samuel, they could have afforded Ayuk
at a large number if Christian McCaffrey didn't exist. But
then they traded for Christian McCaffrey and he immediately became
I don't know lt Or Marshall fall two point zero
and Deebo's already under the contract. If they were both
in this situation, I think they would choose Ayuk over Deebo.
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But Deebo's under this contract and he's on the team,
And I think the forty nine ers the way they
you know, build their offense or you know, scheme their
offense and play, Ayuk's never going to be one hundred
and five hundred and ten catch guy like aman Ross
Saint Brown, which he saw the money he got and
he wants that the problem is they're never going to
throw him that many balls. So does it pencil to
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pay Ayuke this much money? They had a deal on
the table for twenty six million dollars a year, and
then the market exploded, and then it got really complicated.
Here's the other thing with the forty nine ers. Brog Marte,
who's their contract guy, is a very, very tough negotiator,
and they always pay their guys. But look at Nick Bosa,
who I'd argue is the second best player on the
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team if you consider Trent the best player. He did
not sign his contract till the week before Week one
last year, so that they don't just hand over money
just because you're a good player. And I also think
they're very they understand the big picture of this operation
that they like this player a lot. An he's a
winning player, he's a talented player, he's a productive player.
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I do think it just gets complicated the way they've
constructed that they have a lot of high priced guys.
I mean, George Kittle makes a lot of money, Fred
Warner makes a lot of money, Trent makes a lot
of money, McCaffrey makes a lot of money, and obviously
perty next year is gonna get paid. But a lot
of party success has been with Ayuk. It's just a
complicated situation. I can't envision them trading him for a
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pick because that does not help them this year. Now,
every you know, I don't care what you do. You
got a price for whatever you have if someone blew
them away, like offered two first round But who's doing that, Colin?
I think two years ago they thought about trading Ayuk
because they they could see this coming and that year
when Jay Flowers and Jordan Naddison, those guys in the
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early twenties were drafted. But ultimately the Giants or excuse me,
the Vikings and the Ravens drafted those two players. And
they're really good players and they're cheap. So how does
it make any sense for these teams to trade, you know,
the playoff level teams a first round pick that's going
to be in the twenties when they can just draft
one of those players. Brandon Ayuk was the twenty seventh
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pick in the draft, right, that's where you could get
these type talents at three four million dollars a year
for four straight years. So you have to deal with
the fifth year options. So I think this is going
to go into camp. I think it's going to continue
to get ugly, and I think Ayuk is going to
continue to express his frustrations.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So finally, I did a top ten coaching yesterday, and
one of the reasons I thought about it because you,
at the volume and on your podcast had done it
several days earlier. So we both have Sean mcvahan, Andy
Reid near the top. My list is Reid McVeigh, John
harm I didn't count Jim because I haven't seen him
in years, but my guess is he'll be top five
very quick. You did not have Sean Payton anywhere in
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your top ten. I had him very high. You had
Shanahan one. I think he's had too many meltdowns in
high leverage games in the fourth quarter, but I do
acknowledge that if he gets a trophy he'll go right
back up. I just feel in those big leverage spots
he's had some real disappointments, and often Andy Reid has
been at his very best in those high leverage moments,
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Belichick at his best. John Harbaugh is best in those
leverage moments. But you don't have Sean Payton anywhere in there.
And we mostly agree outside of that. You like Dan
Campbell more than I do. Situationally, I think he's a
bit too emotional, but I do love him. Give me
your take on Sean Peyton and Denver this shy year,
and despite the fact that he turned around at the
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time the worst franchise in America in any sport, the Saints,
you don't have him top ten.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Why Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Think it's a fair argument. Sean Payton and Kevin Stefanski,
who did something similar in Cleveland. You know, he hasn't
been to the playoffs in a wire while here Colin
he took a year off. This is obviously a big
next couple of years. What he can do with bo Nicks,
he could easily jump back in. I think the Dan
Campbell situation a little like Sean Payton when he got
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to New Orleans, right he takes over the Lions. Anyone
who goes to Ohio State or Alabama is going to
have success. But like what Lane Kiffin's doing at Ole
Miss is remarkable, and that's kind of how I look
at Dan Campbell. To me, Sean Payton, we'll see. I mean, obviously,
his resume speaks for itself, but part of it I
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was drafting for the next three or four years, and
I'm a little dubious. I think that division's going to
be very, very difficult, and clearly his squad not his fault.
Because of the Russell Wilson situation, They're not gonna be
as talented. I had Jim Harbaugh I think as my
third anyone looking at that graphic, I removed Andy Reid.
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It's like drafting the best NBA players in the nineties
and taking out Michael Jordan. So I just removed because
he's the lock number one pick. I just think if
you wanted to argue John's over Jim, I personally would
take Jim. I expect Jim to be awesome. I think
the Chargers are gonna make the playoffs this year. So
you look at Sean Payton's division. Obviously the Raiders are
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are a mess, but in terms of Jim Harbaugh and
Andy Reid, I would have him as the third best
coach in the division. So I just think it's gonna
be difficult. I'm also kind of betting on the future
on some of these guys. I think Lafleur last year
proved he's a star what he did with Jordan Love.
I know you and I are very very high on
Shange psych and you know Tomlin. If you wanted to
remove Tomlin and put in Sean Payton, I wouldn't argue,
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but part of this was, like, you know, betting on
the next five years. I'm super high on Demico, super
high on Steiken. I think Sean McDermott, I know you've
been critical of him. He's dominating that division and you know,
we'll see what happens this year with the health of
the Jets. I think the Dolphins are going to take
a step back. But if he wins it again, that's
five straight years winning the division. We can quibble with
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his success in the playoffs and that thirteen second you
know loss to the Chiefs as an all timer, but
just in terms of last year, to me, he earned
you know, a lot of equity with the fans, and
just like his resume, in terms of their six and six,
they had no business winning that division. They had a
million injuries, and when the dust settled, what happened they
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were hosting playoff games because they won the division again.
So to me, Sean Payton, you make the playoffs this year,
which I think is going to be pretty difficult with
a rookie quarterback. But it's not like I think the
guy is not good. I just think the last three
or four years, you know, this hasn't been as good.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
John middle Koff three and out the podcast at the volume,
former NFL scout for the Eagles as oh as good?
See anybody you.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
See it gone?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, I think I've told you this. J Mac Denver Broncos,
Minnesota Vikings, I think are much more compelling teams offensively
than people give them credit for. I think both coaches
are really smart. I think we all acknowledge that football,
I don't care if it's high school, college or pro
football is a coaching sport where you can literally change results.
I don't think the Texans, even with C. J. Stroud,
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are that good without Demiko Ryans. I think Shane steik And.
I think the reason we like Indianapolis we don't know
what Anthony Richardson is. We love Shane Steikin. I think
people are because I think Sean Payton sometimes can be
gruff and direct and not likable. That was the worst
organization in America in any sport, were the LA Clippers
and the New Orleans Saints, and he made them a
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power and that was dysfunctional ownership, bad front offices, terrible
quarterback play. So I don't you know, last year I
did not get I said last year on the Rams,
how can they be a bad team with Stafford and McVeigh.
That's impossible in Cooper Cup, how can you be a
terrible team if bow Knicks can play and I and
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I really feel strongly he can. I've talked, I've texted
Sean really feel strongly. I've got too many good players
left tackle, receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Too many good players for what like seven wins?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You think Sean may really taking this team to like
Wold Card content?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes, yes, just like I thought the Rams would be
taken to Wild Card contention last year and everybody in
Vegas had them at five. Vegas does make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Colin AFC is so stacked, so many good teams, it
would be one of the biggest miracles in the last
decade in the NFL. At the Broncos sniff the playoffs,
sniff the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's that's a very hyperbolic That's that's a have you
seen guys. We'll just go to the Republican National Convention
of that sales jo I.
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
By the way, isn't that amazing? Lebron's thirty nine years
old and he's crushing it. I just think it's a crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well nobody's watching USA survey. Obviously USA started to pull away,
not close. Yeah, Lebron decent basketball player.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Anthony Davis, though, is the story on the scene. He
is playing out of his mind.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Okay, now, Anthony Davis has been playing out of his
mind for two years. I thought last year he was
sensational and I was selling my stock three years ago.
But here we were talking about this in the morning
prec meeting. We never really did anything on it, but
I was thinking about this. I keep being told what
Joe l Embiid's gonna be, and I keep seeing what
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Anthony Davis is. I'm kind of over Embiid, like I
keep whenever you keep selling me on something like Aunt Edwards.
He's not quite there yet, but that's age. My take
is Anthony Edwards he'll learn so much from this playoff loss.
He'll pop next year. Same with Wemby chat Holmgren SGA.
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But when you're he's selling me on a guy for
like seven eight years and he can't really fit with
any of the teammates, then he goes to the Olympic
team and kind of ball stops the offense. Anthony Davis,
nobody has to sell me on what he is because
what he is I see every night with the Lakers,
and again I've always been willing to pivot into and
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off of guys. I was not an AD guy. After
they won in the Bubble, he came back out of shape.
It's like, dude, grow up, you're a professional basketball player.
You can have problems. You can't be out of shape.
His last two years and last year specifically, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So he's thriving on this US team behind Embiid, and
there is like a discussion, should Embiid not be the starter.
Here's why the US had to convince Embiid, hey join
our team. Remember, because he's got the citizenship where he
could play elsewhere, and they needed Embiid. So now Ad
comes off the bench in an amazing role with bam Adebayo.
So bam guards Jokic and AD's roaming on the back line.
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He's just swatting every you get a possession with three blocks.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, he is He's been the most dominant physical player
in the ELEM.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
He's in a great spot.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He really is something. And I mean I would say
this whenever you the litmus test and all this stuff.
If I said tomorrow you can start a team with
a D or Embiid for me, it would not be
close anymore because you keep selling me on something. You
start a company, you're seven years in and you're like,
this year, we're turning a profit. Bro, you've been telling
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me that for five years. I got to see profits, don't.
I don't care how the baby's made and the sausage
has made. You got to show me the baby, as
they say, like a d the last two years, productive,
best defensive player in the league, great teammate, swatting shots, healthy,
He's been unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So the Lakers have not delivered necessarily, but Ad has.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, he's been great.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So just like in those businesses, Hey man, I'm showing
you I've delivered in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Maybe you're not selling the product well enough for us
to reap the benefits.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, you don't have to sell me. I don't think
the Lakers' front office is elite, but I will. My
takeaway on this whole thing is, of all the great
players in the league, the one I and I think
Philadelphia is gonna be really, really good.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Paul George will give them continuity in three point range.
And I like their roster. I went there, went and
got somebody from Miami. I like what Philly's doing by we.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Weren't together when this went down. I'm just asking sixers
go on a three game losing streak against elite teams,
who is getting the finger blame?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hey, you're the problem with Paul George.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Oh how's that gonna go over? Paul George?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You went to Philly where they drafted at Maxie, they
drafted in bead.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know how it's like to be the scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
If you're Chris bosh right with Lebron Kevin Love in
Cleveland was a scapegoat. The third guy is always the
one who gets the blame. I just how's Paul George
gonna handle that?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
In Philly?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
J Mack with the news, Turn.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
On the news.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
One of your favorite quarterbacks in the league, Josh Allen,
will enter his first full season under Oc Brady, but
no Stefan Diggs and no Gabe Davis. One thing Brady
hopes Alan will do is trying to make not make
a highlight reel play every single time.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Josh is you know, is a great quarterback, but just
seeing his erse for wanting to get better. You know,
when you showed him clips that Hey, you might have
made an incredible play right here, but you didn't have
to make an incredible play, like you know, how can
we make it easier for you you're going to do
You can make plays that nobody else in this world
can do, but we don't need you to do that
every single snap.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I mean, I thought Josh got a little better
at that last year about kind of reeling back. But
in fairness to Josh Allen, he had no run game
until last year, and his wide receiving crew has been
light every year he's been there. So let's not make
it out that Josh Allen has this surplus of weapons
and he's sloppy. Let's make it that he's had a
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revolving door on the O line outside of left tackle,
not much of a run game, a defensive coach, multiple coordinators,
and a lot of times he has to put a
cape on because that's the only way they win.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Well, you saw those stats on the screen.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Last three seasons, he's been a turnover machine, also a
touchdown machine. What's the difference between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?
Tell me Lamar has two MVPs.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, I think they're both great. Josh has had more
playoffs success, but they're both great, and I think Josh
is better from the pocket. I think I think Josh
is the better quarterback. But they're both top five in
the league. There's not a big gap. They're both great.
I don't know franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Lamar's looked at as a failure in the playoffs, where
Josh Allen has been in a bunch of high leverage
games and he always seems to come out on the
losing side. And I know some of it's against Mahomes,
and he did beat Lamar head to head at home,
But I don't think there's.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
That much of a difference between these two.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like, you can't tell me definitively Alan's way better, can you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, I think I would choose Alan over Lamar, But
I have defended Lamar basically every week in the NFL
since he arrived. I had my doubts in his first
two years because he was very run centric, but I
pivoted very quickly after I watched him live play and
watched them play every week. But I think Josh Allen's better.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I mean, Alan's had the better receiver, for no doubt,
digs is better than anybody in Lamar's.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Had correct well, and Josh has a bigger arm. Josh,
you know, I think you know John Larbos considered the
better coach. Lamar's had better offensive lines, better run games,
the better coach, the better organization. Josh has had a
very good pass rush, some stability, but I think Josh
has had to overcome more than Lamar.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Lamar's played in a tougher division, for sure. I know
Allan's had to go up against the Patriots, but that
was near the end.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When they weren't good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Both divisions and the Jets have been terrible and the
Dolphins are trash, So.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I don't know that's an interesting one. Josh Allen or Lamar?
Who are you taking?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think ninety gms would take Josh, but he is
prone to mistake. Yeah, I think it's pretty high. I
think Joshin's considered top two or three million league.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, next up, boy, we've heard a lot of
chatter about a DeVante Adams Aaron Rodgers reunion.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
For my Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
DeVante's agent so have come out and tried to squash
the baseless reports. NFL legend Randy Moss believes the all
pro receiver should go chase a ring with his old quarterback.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Go back with your quarterback, man and Aaron Rodgers, they
made some great things happen. I mean that would look
good him at the JET. The advice for him just
keep being yourself man, and go get a ring if
he has an opportunity to get it. You know, I
don't know if he's at I don't think he has
had an opportunity to be in the big game yet.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
And I think that when you sit up.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Here and work so hard to get to a point,
there's a lot of guys that has put in some
great work in the National Football League that has never
seen the Super Bowl state. So I wish him well
and I want him to go get it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's not interested, but you Jet should not be interested.
Do you know how much you'd have to give up
first round picks you'd have to give in your Raiders.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
They finally gave up a first and a second for
Adams a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
So you want to get Antonio Pierce has the worst
quarterback in the division. You want to give his one
elite offensive piece away with Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, if you're failing and you're two and seven at
the deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I'm looking at ship Devanta Adams get picks.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Built for the future. I'm not doing anything this year
with him.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
No, you have picks, you're going to be a last year.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He didn't like it. He would go to the podium
and be like a sak.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Raiders aren't going to have a problem getting picks
because they're going to have a top three pick. They're
a bottom team in the league. They're going to get picks.
Remember if you're if you have a top pick in
the first round, you'll take your quarterback. If you have
a top pick in the second round, you start you
start moving down those top of the second round picks.
Teams sleep on the first round. They wake up in
the morning and they want to move up and get picks.
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Raiders picks won't be an issue. Getting the right quarterbacks
in issue. So I'm not giving up my best player.
I got two players. I'm not giving up Max Crosby
Devonte Adams, I'm not when you may you spent all
this money to get him, You made all these moves
to get him. Why am I giving him up? If
you put so many hours in to acquiring him.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So should the Jets go after him. I mean the
Jets have currently Garrett Wilson, who's elite.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
He's a top tens, a grown up offensive coordinator. Why
is it, Mike Williams. That's not your issues, Navier Gibson.
You're fine at wide receiver. Okay, You're not fine an
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
What about keeping the quarterback happy? The petulant darkness retreat
going on quarterback?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Keep him happy?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know? The Fox wants to keep you happy here, right,
so they take you out the lunch all the day.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I got salmon yesterday, salmon, Yeah, nice little overcoat.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
So they try to keep you happy.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Should the Jets try to get Aaron Rodgers happy?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
God, he's forty, he's an old man. Just like just
let him play and then move on.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Final story to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The Mads announced Kyrie Irving broke his left hand earlier
this month during training and I had to go under
undergo surgery. Dallas provided no timetable for return, but they
expect him, you know, to be good for trading camp
in two and a half months. No word on how
he broke his hand other than during training. That's a
little suspicious. He asked me why is that suspicious? So
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the season at long season, it's the summer. You're taking
time off, you're training.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Who are he's training for? You're a veteran.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
He's a pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So he's training in early July season start for four months.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
We had Adam Wainwright on the show yesterday say that,
think about this that baseball players now they take seven
to ten days off, they get back into training. Ooh,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Kyrie's old man, he's in his early thirties.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's basketball. You're not going to go. You see all
these videos of Steph Curry playing with like guys at
the gym.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, that's not training. Let's pickup bell That's.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
What I'm saying. But you can break your hand playing
pick up ball. These guys don't take a month off.
They're not like you going abroad fifteen minutes. Some of
these people are growing professional. That was labor intensive. I
was working on rants every day. Luckily did your He's
suffered there j back with.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
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Speaker 2 (35:31):
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Speaker 3 (35:34):
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Speaker 2 (35:35):
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Speaker 1 (35:48):
So Lebron's now thirty nine in his twenty second year.
It really is remarkable. He is, on any given game
or offensive possession, the most important player for Team USA.
Kevin Durant had a quote yesterday. He said, he's just
meant so much to the game of basketball. I was
in high school following him. He's almost forty now he's
still playing at an elite level, which is just inspiring
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to me. And it's funny. You forget Larry Bird was
limping at thirty two, Barkley at thirty two, injuries piling
up Westbrook at thirty three. You saw clear regression Tiger Woods.
Is a golfer. He won in two thousand and eight
a major. He started eroding. He's a golfer. Lebron is
thirty nine. He's played thirteen thousand more minutes than any
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active player. I think Chris Paul's next. He's gone through
more chalk than high school school districts. The guy is
just unbelievable. He's played two hundred and eighty seven playoff games,
which is three and a half extra seasons, and those
are intense minutes. He was very healthy last year, shot
over forty percent from three point land. So one of
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the things about Lebron, and I really think this is important,
is that where Kawhi can't stay healthy and embiid, we're
waiting for him to deliver from day one in this
league as a rookie to fifteen years in his prime.
Until now, the NBA is a league the draft is
basically all prospects. Almost when he comes into the league.
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He didn't make the Spurs one game better. Lebron doubled
the Cavs win total the minute he arrived in Cleveland
out of high school. Is that the NBA is really
a league of hope and projecting and development. The NFL
draft is not. The NFL Draft is kids who are
twenty three years old, some are married. It's a shorter career.
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You get more sort of mature kids who have been
into college campus. They're ready to come in perform very
very quickly, even at the toughest position.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Stroud, Ohio State to the NFL exemplary justin Herbert Joe Burrow.
These guys pop immediately. So you're not hoping. We're not
talking about ceilings. People want things delivered, right. That's why
we love Amazon. I call I order, It's on my
doorstep the next day at ten in the morning. People
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want delivery and they're loyal to it. And that's one
of the things about the NFL is that you watch
a draft, you got six guys that can play. I mean,
who do the Packers miss on? When's the last when's
the last draft pick? The Green Bay Packers first, second, third,
fourth round missed on Lebron in a league of hope
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is certainty great year one, Dominant in his prime. Dominant
is an older player individually and here on this team,
on any possession, the best player on Team USA. So
I mean it's very Tom Bray Tom wanted it more,
spent more time in his body, was more disciplined with
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his diet. And you know the old saying is nobody cares.
We're carter, nobody cares about excuses. And in a league
of hope and sealing and potential, I think Lebron delivers.
And you know his haters, you know they're going to
point to you know, he's lost championships. So much of
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this league is what you're represented by, who your front
office is, what's the ownership situation. You know, I've said
this about Michael Jordan for years in hockey. I think
Chicago played in the Western Conference or does had the
Bulls been a Western Conference team because they're right in
the middle of the country and not an Eastern Conference team,
he would have gotten to finals early in his career.
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Would have Michael and lost to Boston in Detroit. So
I never you know, Magic got to nine finals, won
to five, lost four. He had Larry Burden the way
another dynasty. Jordan never faced a real dynasty. He did
early in his career and couldn't get to the finals.
Detroit was a dynasty he couldn't get past him. Boston
was a dynasty He couldn't get past them. There was
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no dynasty out West during Jordan's best years. There were
good teams Phoenix, Utah, Seattle, Portland, but there were no Dynasties.
People forget this. Michael couldn't beat the Dynasties, but they
were all in his conference and that's the difference. But
it is really remarkable that at thirty nine years old,
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the only comp is a football player Brady. I mean,
when Brady retired, we all felt he was still There
was probably not three quarterbacks in the world that if
you gave the football too with two minutes left, you
would trust to win the game more than Brady. Maybe Mahomes,
maybe a Joe Burrow, maybe a Stafford. That's about it.
That's how I feel with lebron There's about three guys
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in the league, just about three that I'd trust with
the ball in their hands with thirty seconds left, but
not many. And I think a lot of it is,
you know, and even though he's polarizing because he's taken
some political stands and cultural stands, it is remarkable. Even
brawny and I'm not sure Bronni's an NBA player Offensively,
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he's not. He's a G League player offensively. I'm not
sure he's a G League player offensively, but even Bronni's
popular because he's you know, he's his son. I think
Lebron James, and I think the Lakers see this with
all their data and all their merch if you get
past all the stuff about the personality and the cultural
and the political stuff, this is Jordan looked old in Washington,
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he looked old with the Wizards. Lebron doesn't look old.
And I'm watching these USA games. He didn't look old.
He didn't look gold at all. He played a ton
of games last year. So uh one, they're beating Serbia.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Beating the Brakes off Serbia. But this could be troubling.
Is now Serbia uses his motivation for the next meeting
when they meet here in a couple of weeks. I
do I don't know how to approach you with this.
Lebron putting undue pressure on Bronni, naming him after himself, saying,
like four or five years ago, I want to play.
You know, that's my dream to play with my son.
(42:01):
I just you know, Lebron's son wins this Call of
Duty tournament. You the video game tournament Vegas I just
wonder whose dream is it for Bronnie to play in
the NBA. Is it Lebron's or his son Bronnie.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not saying Lebron's done a bad job, but like you,
you're a parent, you want the best for your kid,
and like I just wonder if maybe the pressure has
been a bit much watching him kind of struggle as he.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Is not an NBA offensive play well not yet. Yeah,
I don't see the much there. I think he's athletic,
I think he can defend, and I think that'll be
a space in the NBA if he gets there.
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I'm telling you, Jmac, you got a dress for success.
Today is a day I wanted to be optimistic. Now
I haven't been yet, but I think this shirt is
an optimistic shirt, and at some point today I will
pivot to being more positive.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, I thought you were making a reference about my shirt.
I've never won this thoughts just got me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A new gear, you know. And now I thought you
were going to say, like, you look good in your shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But that reminds me of a shirt you wore when
you had dual ear rings and you were giving out
phone number in New York. It's very no.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I wasn't giving out.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was securing from them, from the ladies, or trying
trying to be cool back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, it was fun to be young.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You're still young.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
In my mind.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
My body says otherwise when I play hoops all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So there's a story here. Tom Pellisero, who we've had
on the show before, was on Rich Eisen Show yesterday
and he said that Bill Belichick is still very engaged
in the game and he wants to coach next year.
Is that he's going to do some of this media
stuff inside the NFL, and you know he wants his
name out there, and you know he's going to constantly
(01:38):
because his career did not end well in New England
and his draft in developing was atrocious. So what he
got to show for it, he's old bad track record
on drafting. He's a kind of a power driven guy
who wants to do what he wants to do. I
would have a hard time drafting. I would have a
hard time hiring Belichick on last he was completely willing
(02:02):
to allow the front office to do the drafting. Bill's
not good on it, but he's too arrogant at this
point in his career to acknowledge he's not good at it.
He's atrocious at it. The last seven drafts for the
Patriots have been among the worst in the league, and
Bill has absolutely controlled those. The reason he didn't get
(02:23):
a job wasn't his coaching. That wasn't it. It was
his inability to disengage from the drafting and the personnel stuff.
And I've heard that from two people in the NFL
that know a lot about his coaching interest. Bill. Teams
(02:44):
do not want to hand over anything to Bill but
the coaching whistle. That's what they want him to do.
But a lot of these coaches, you get into a
Greg Popovitch situation, older in their career, they got stacks
of money, they got the rings, the legacy, the power,
the e go they want, you know, as Bill Parcell said,
if I'm making the food, I want to pick the groceries.
(03:06):
And that's where Belichick is. So the teams that would
be willing to relinquish all that power are mostly lousy teams.
Even a team like Atlanta, which is so so, was
not willing to do that. So, but Tom Pellisero is
saying he's hearing Bill. It doesn't matter if it's roasts
(03:27):
football talk shows. He is staying engaged. So the Belichick list,
in my opinion, from what I've heard, are three teams, Philadelphia,
Dallas and Buffalo. I've heard two things about Belichick, and
I trust my sources on this. He would rather stay
out east. He's got his place in Nantucket. He golfs
down in Jupiter, Florida. Bill doesn't have any interest moving
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everybody out west. The second thing, he would like the
quarterback situation to be stable. The instability post Brady was
his downfall. There's nothing more stable than Dak and Josh Allen.
Jalen Hurts will wait and see. My guess is he'll
rebound and have a better year. So but I will
tell you this is that the Buffalo one is really
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intriguing to me. Not because Sean McDermott's not a good coach.
Andy Reid was a great coach and Philadelphia moved off him.
But you get to a point with McDermott now, is
that the receiving course seems light. The offense has been
productive with Josh Allen, but we worry about that side
progressing OC hires o line, lack of run game, and
(04:32):
you got Houston's rising, Herbert's got Harbaugh, Ravens are still elite.
Here comes Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence has his best roster.
I think Sean McDermott, without being on the hot seat,
I think there is a sense that you can't just
win the division again. It's got to be more than that.
You got to have higher standards. And I know Buffalo
is a small market, and if they win ten games
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and go ten and seven and lose, you know they
win a playoff game close, everybody goes. Maybe next year.
But I feel like there's an underlying heat on Sean McDermott.
I don't care what his contract status is. All those
contracts are rounding airs for billionaire owners at this point,
the Buffalo one. And he could also come back and
rub it in the Patriots face. And we know Belichick
(05:19):
can hold grudges. You don't think he wants to face
the Patriots twice a year and rub it in Robert
Kraft's face. You're out of your mind. I even think,
as a long shot, keep your eye on the Jets,
but that would be like one hundred to one long shot.
I don't think he'd take the Giants. People have suggested that,
but that quarterback situation's a mess. With that former NFL scout,
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he's at the volume. He's my buddy, covered the NFL
for fifteen years. John Mittlecoy scouted with the Eagles. You know,
it's interesting. You know the Eagles really well and I
put him on the bellichecklist. Is one of the things
I've always appreciated about them is they've moved off witting
coaches Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson, Andy Reid. I was told
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there are concerns about Nick Sirianni that if you take
Shane Steich and now an Indy out of his career,
he struggled with his side of the ball offense. You
tell me your take on Jeffrey Loriie John and what
if Siriani what if they're good not great? And what
if Jalen Hurts, you know, continues to be a little
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bit less than we thought he was when they paid him.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well. I think they thought long and hard about Bill
Belichick last year, you know, after the ending of that
season historic collapse. I think it was a very real possibility.
Now it would have been the first defensive coach that
Jeffrey Lurry has hired. He has an offensive just the
you know, if you think about it, Andy Reid, Doug Peterson,
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Sirianni Chip Kelly. Yeah, it would have been a little
out of the norm. But Jeffrey Lurry's a Boston guy,
and there was a NBA Finals game where Jeffrey Lury
was there with about twenty five players. I don't think
the twenty five players drove. I think he brought them
all so that area. He's obviously played Belichick twice in
the Super Bowl, so I definitely think that's a possibility.
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I just have a hard time now that you get
Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio, who clearly they wanted last year.
I don't see how they're not good now, super Bowl good,
who knows, But I think they're going to be in
the playoffs. And this gets to the Giants conversation with
sakuon Barkley A little like Christian McCaffrey. You know, you
put them there that they have so many pieces. I'm
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not saying you and I could lead him to ten wins,
but I think we'd be pretty competitive. Now you add Fangio,
one of the best defensive coordinators. Listen, Siriani, a little
bit of a hothead, motivator. He's a CEO, but I
kind of like my CEOs to be a little older.
He's a younger CEO, but he doesn't have to call
the offense because a couple of years ago, like you said,
said Shane Sikin, now he's got Kellen Moore. He's ran
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an offense forever in Dallas. Hit some speed bumps last year,
but anyone would working for Brandon State, I bet the
Eagles would be pretty competitive now if they lose in
the first or second round because of the expectations of
the city, a little like the Lakers or the Yankees,
like it doesn't fly. Especially with a payroll like they
have and the talent, you never know. They're definitely a
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wild card. I would disagree with you a little bit though.
On the Giants. For Belichick, I do think they're a team.
They have some defensive pieces. You know, the owner pretty
old school. Bill's obviously been there, they have a relationship.
I don't think there is any amount of money in
the world to get Belichick to go to the Jets.
But I do think the Giants would be lingering out
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there if they have a bad season. That when you
look at their roster. I don't see how they're gonna
be any good.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I'm watching HBO Max. I'm watching the Mara conversations
with Joe Shane, and I've got to tell you there's
a couple of moments. I know a lot of that stuff,
it's people acting for the cameras, but there are these
body language moments every year on Hard Knocks. You know
when Des Ryan was in Dallas chewing out a coach,
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his career, basically his market disappeared. Antonio Brown, you know,
freezing cryo, freezing his feet, like his market like he
got a crazy label. And I've watched that. I want
to play this the Hard Knocks video. You got the
owner covering his head, the Saquon Barkley move, Joe Shane smiling,
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the the you know, the the middle management guys around
him won't make eye contact. Let's play the tape.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Where what's the latest on I just.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Got a text that Chicago's driving the price up and
Philly's out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know if that's true or not, which I
don't know. If I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I don't even know if that's gonna then happen, But.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I have a tough time sleep and sink one goes
to filming hope downside of that, As I've told you,
just being up, I have been around enough players, but
he's the He's the most popular player we.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Have by far, by the the way his source said,
Philly was out also not great telling your boss. Yeah,
I don't know. I watched that and I thought to myself,
Saquon Barkley is gonna crush for the Eagles come back
to haunt the Giants. What do you make of New
York football teams right now? There's talent everywhere on both defenses,
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Giants Jets. What do you make of that interaction there?
I just can't see Less Snead and Stan Kronkey having
that moment.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Why I would say the number one thing having been
around Howie Roseman, a GM has to have just locked
down is information. Because your entire job, it's a little
bit like a stock trader, right when it comes to coaches,
when it comes to players, when it comes to trades,
you have to have an understanding of the market. That
means knowing what other GMS are thinking. That means knowing
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what the agents are thinking. That means no understanding the
value of contracts. They made this big deal about Saquon
Barkley not paying them. Well, a couple of years ago,
let's say four or five, the running back contracts were
just a little out of whack and they were backfiring. Well,
now they're a bargain.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
One day a house is overvalued, the next day it
might be undervalue. Things change. The Eagles got Saquon Barkley
for twenty six million dollars guaranteed. His cap hit this
year is three point eight million dollars for example. You know,
to contrast that Daniel Jones ninety two million dollars guaranteed.
His cap hit this year is almost fifty million dollars.
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I think there are two teams if you're gonna lose
Saquon Barkley. Listen, if he goes to the Cardinals, if
he goes to the Vikings, if he had gone to
the Bears, who cares? Under no circumstances could the guy
go to the Cowboys or the Eagles, But especially the Eagles.
You saw John Marr's face. You know why he knows
he's gonna be successful there. How's he not gonna be
successful there? It's a little like once McCaffrey got to
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the forty nine ers. Now mcaffrey's a better player, but
it seems like it's gonna work, and it's gonna work
really well. And he didn't pay him very much money.
So Joe Shane, I give them credit, even though I
think the NFL kind of forced them. They have been
very open in terms of the editing of this, Like
we've got a lot of good inside information in terms
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of how he connects with the agents, how he talks
with his staff. But he seems like a nice guy,
seems a little over his head. Yeah, and I just
know Howie Roseman, I mean, would have flipped a lid
at this point in time in the process if he
doesn't have all the information. Now, obviously you don't know
everything the other teams are gonna do, but his right
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you know, Joe Shane's right hand man, Brandon Brown, worked
for how he for years. So for them not to
understand that the Eagles weren't just I mean, they kind
of knew they were interested, but they were really interested
and it was pretty clear and then they signed him.
So you saw John Marr's face. Listen. They have now
a history post Tom Coughlin of firing a lot of people,
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and I don't see how the Giants are going to
be very good. And if Saquon goes to have success,
the writing's on the wall. I mean, all these guys
are going to lose their job.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You covered you were with San Francisco in that area
for years. So Brandon Ayuk and Deebo Samuels said he
wanted out and they signed him. Brandon Ayyuk's been a
bit more forceful in social media and leaks. But now
Ricky piersall the first round running a first round receiver
gets hurt with a non football injury.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Not ideal.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
What what do you make of that? And what do
you make of Ayuk? My take is brock Perty's not
a big arm guy. I think you could get a
first rounder for Ayuk if piersaal hit. But that's a
dubious early injury. What do you make of that Ayuk situation? John?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I think the problem of trading Ayuk at this
point for a pick is the forty nine ers are
in big picture mode. I mean, let's face it, they're
kind of super Bowl or bust this year. Last year
was pretty devastating this team. I mean, George Kittle's thirty
years old. Trent Williams is thirty five years old. You know,
Deebo is just has a lot of wear and tearo
in those tires. I think the situation became complicated. You know,
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once they signed Deebo Samuel, they could have afforded Ayuk
at a large number if Christian McCaffrey didn't exist. But
then they traded for Christian McCaffrey and he immediately became
I don't know lt Or Marshall fall two point zero
and Deebo's already under the contract. If they were both
in this situation, I think they would choose Ayuk over Deebo.
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But Deebo's under this contract and he's on the team,
And I think the forty nine ers the way they
you know, build their offense or you know, scheme their
offense and play, Ayuk's never going to be one hundred
and five hundred and ten catch guy like aman Ross
Saint Brown, which he saw the money he got and
he wants that the problem is they're never going to
throw him that many balls. So does it pencil to
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pay Ayuke this much money? They had a deal on
the table for twenty six million dollars a year, and
then the market exploded, and then it got really complicated.
Here's the other thing with the forty nine ers. Brog Marte,
who's their contract guy, is a very, very tough negotiator,
and they always pay their guys. But look at Nick Bosa,
who I'd argue is the second best player on the
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team if you consider Trent the best player. He did
not sign his contract till the week before Week one
last year, so that they don't just hand over money
just because you're a good player. And I also think
they're very they understand the big picture of this operation
that they like this player a lot. An he's a
winning player, he's a talented player, he's a productive player.
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I do think it just gets complicated the way they've
constructed that they have a lot of high priced guys.
I mean, George Kittle makes a lot of money, Fred
Warner makes a lot of money, Trent makes a lot
of money, McCaffrey makes a lot of money, and obviously
perty next year is gonna get paid. But a lot
of party success has been with Ayuk. It's just a
complicated situation. I can't envision them trading him for a
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pick because that does not help them this year. Now,
every you know, I don't care what you do. You
got a price for whatever you have if someone blew
them away, like offered two first round But who's doing that, Colin?
I think two years ago they thought about trading Ayuk
because they they could see this coming and that year
when Jay Flowers and Jordan Naddison, those guys in the
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early twenties were drafted. But ultimately the Giants or excuse me,
the Vikings and the Ravens drafted those two players. And
they're really good players and they're cheap. So how does
it make any sense for these teams to trade, you know,
the playoff level teams a first round pick that's going
to be in the twenties when they can just draft
one of those players. Brandon Ayuk was the twenty seventh
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pick in the draft, right, that's where you could get
these type talents at three four million dollars a year
for four straight years. So you have to deal with
the fifth year options. So I think this is going
to go into camp. I think it's going to continue
to get ugly, and I think Ayuk is going to
continue to express his frustrations.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So finally, I did a top ten coaching yesterday, and
one of the reasons I thought about it because you,
at the volume and on your podcast had done it
several days earlier. So we both have Sean mcvahan, Andy
Reid near the top. My list is Reid McVeigh, John
harm I didn't count Jim because I haven't seen him
in years, but my guess is he'll be top five
very quick. You did not have Sean Payton anywhere in
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your top ten. I had him very high. You had
Shanahan one. I think he's had too many meltdowns in
high leverage games in the fourth quarter, but I do
acknowledge that if he gets a trophy he'll go right
back up. I just feel in those big leverage spots
he's had some real disappointments, and often Andy Reid has
been at his very best in those high leverage moments,
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Belichick at his best. John Harbaugh is best in those
leverage moments. But you don't have Sean Payton anywhere in there.
And we mostly agree outside of that. You like Dan
Campbell more than I do. Situationally, I think he's a
bit too emotional, but I do love him. Give me
your take on Sean Peyton and Denver this shy year,
and despite the fact that he turned around at the
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time the worst franchise in America in any sport, the Saints,
you don't have him top ten.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Why Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Think it's a fair argument. Sean Payton and Kevin Stefanski,
who did something similar in Cleveland. You know, he hasn't
been to the playoffs in a wire while here Colin
he took a year off. This is obviously a big
next couple of years. What he can do with bo Nicks,
he could easily jump back in. I think the Dan
Campbell situation a little like Sean Payton when he got
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to New Orleans, right he takes over the Lions. Anyone
who goes to Ohio State or Alabama is going to
have success. But like what Lane Kiffin's doing at Ole
Miss is remarkable, and that's kind of how I look
at Dan Campbell. To me, Sean Payton, we'll see. I mean, obviously,
his resume speaks for itself, but part of it I
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was drafting for the next three or four years, and
I'm a little dubious. I think that division's going to
be very, very difficult, and clearly his squad not his fault.
Because of the Russell Wilson situation, They're not gonna be
as talented. I had Jim Harbaugh I think as my
third anyone looking at that graphic, I removed Andy Reid.
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It's like drafting the best NBA players in the nineties
and taking out Michael Jordan. So I just removed because
he's the lock number one pick. I just think if
you wanted to argue John's over Jim, I personally would
take Jim. I expect Jim to be awesome. I think
the Chargers are gonna make the playoffs this year. So
you look at Sean Payton's division. Obviously the Raiders are
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are a mess, but in terms of Jim Harbaugh and
Andy Reid, I would have him as the third best
coach in the division. So I just think it's gonna
be difficult. I'm also kind of betting on the future
on some of these guys. I think Lafleur last year
proved he's a star what he did with Jordan Love.
I know you and I are very very high on
Shange psych and you know Tomlin. If you wanted to
remove Tomlin and put in Sean Payton, I wouldn't argue,
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but part of this was, like, you know, betting on
the next five years. I'm super high on Demico, super
high on Steiken. I think Sean McDermott, I know you've
been critical of him. He's dominating that division and you know,
we'll see what happens this year with the health of
the Jets. I think the Dolphins are going to take
a step back. But if he wins it again, that's
five straight years winning the division. We can quibble with
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his success in the playoffs and that thirteen second you
know loss to the Chiefs as an all timer, but
just in terms of last year, to me, he earned
you know, a lot of equity with the fans, and
just like his resume, in terms of their six and six,
they had no business winning that division. They had a
million injuries, and when the dust settled, what happened they
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were hosting playoff games because they won the division again.
So to me, Sean Payton, you make the playoffs this year,
which I think is going to be pretty difficult with
a rookie quarterback. But it's not like I think the
guy is not good. I just think the last three
or four years, you know, this hasn't been as good.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
John middle Koff three and out the podcast at the volume,
former NFL scout for the Eagles as oh as good?
See anybody you.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
See it gone?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, I think I've told you this. J Mac Denver Broncos,
Minnesota Vikings, I think are much more compelling teams offensively
than people give them credit for. I think both coaches
are really smart. I think we all acknowledge that football,
I don't care if it's high school, college or pro
football is a coaching sport where you can literally change results.
I don't think the Texans, even with C. J. Stroud,
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are that good without Demiko Ryans. I think Shane steik And.
I think the reason we like Indianapolis we don't know
what Anthony Richardson is. We love Shane Steikin. I think
people are because I think Sean Payton sometimes can be
gruff and direct and not likable. That was the worst
organization in America in any sport, were the LA Clippers
and the New Orleans Saints, and he made them a
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power and that was dysfunctional ownership, bad front offices, terrible
quarterback play. So I don't you know, last year I
did not get I said last year on the Rams,
how can they be a bad team with Stafford and McVeigh.
That's impossible in Cooper Cup, how can you be a
terrible team if bow Knicks can play and I and
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I really feel strongly he can. I've talked, I've texted
Sean really feel strongly. I've got too many good players
left tackle, receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Too many good players for what like seven wins?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You think Sean may really taking this team to like
Wold Card content?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes, yes, just like I thought the Rams would be
taken to Wild Card contention last year and everybody in
Vegas had them at five. Vegas does make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Colin AFC is so stacked, so many good teams, it
would be one of the biggest miracles in the last
decade in the NFL. At the Broncos sniff the playoffs,
sniff the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's that's a very hyperbolic That's that's a have you
seen guys. We'll just go to the Republican National Convention
of that sales jo I.
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
By the way, isn't that amazing? Lebron's thirty nine years
old and he's crushing it. I just think it's a crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well nobody's watching USA survey. Obviously USA started to pull away,
not close. Yeah, Lebron decent basketball player.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Anthony Davis, though, is the story on the scene. He
is playing out of his mind.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Okay, now, Anthony Davis has been playing out of his
mind for two years. I thought last year he was
sensational and I was selling my stock three years ago.
But here we were talking about this in the morning
prec meeting. We never really did anything on it, but
I was thinking about this. I keep being told what
Joe l Embiid's gonna be, and I keep seeing what
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Anthony Davis is. I'm kind of over Embiid, like I
keep whenever you keep selling me on something like Aunt Edwards.
He's not quite there yet, but that's age. My take
is Anthony Edwards he'll learn so much from this playoff loss.
He'll pop next year. Same with Wemby chat Holmgren SGA.
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But when you're he's selling me on a guy for
like seven eight years and he can't really fit with
any of the teammates, then he goes to the Olympic
team and kind of ball stops the offense. Anthony Davis,
nobody has to sell me on what he is because
what he is I see every night with the Lakers,
and again I've always been willing to pivot into and
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off of guys. I was not an AD guy. After
they won in the Bubble, he came back out of shape.
It's like, dude, grow up, you're a professional basketball player.
You can have problems. You can't be out of shape.
His last two years and last year specifically, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So he's thriving on this US team behind Embiid, and
there is like a discussion, should Embiid not be the starter.
Here's why the US had to convince Embiid, hey join
our team. Remember, because he's got the citizenship where he
could play elsewhere, and they needed Embiid. So now Ad
comes off the bench in an amazing role with bam Adebayo.
So bam guards Jokic and AD's roaming on the back line.
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He's just swatting every you get a possession with three blocks.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, he is He's been the most dominant physical player
in the ELEM.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
He's in a great spot.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He really is something. And I mean I would say
this whenever you the litmus test and all this stuff.
If I said tomorrow you can start a team with
a D or Embiid for me, it would not be
close anymore because you keep selling me on something. You
start a company, you're seven years in and you're like,
this year, we're turning a profit. Bro, you've been telling
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me that for five years. I got to see profits, don't.
I don't care how the baby's made and the sausage
has made. You got to show me the baby, as
they say, like a d the last two years, productive,
best defensive player in the league, great teammate, swatting shots, healthy,
He's been unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So the Lakers have not delivered necessarily, but Ad has.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, he's been great.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So just like in those businesses, Hey man, I'm showing
you I've delivered in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Maybe you're not selling the product well enough for us
to reap the benefits.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, you don't have to sell me. I don't think
the Lakers' front office is elite, but I will. My
takeaway on this whole thing is, of all the great
players in the league, the one I and I think
Philadelphia is gonna be really, really good.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Paul George will give them continuity in three point range.
And I like their roster. I went there, went and
got somebody from Miami. I like what Philly's doing by we.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Weren't together when this went down. I'm just asking sixers
go on a three game losing streak against elite teams,
who is getting the finger blame?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hey, you're the problem with Paul George.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Oh how's that gonna go over? Paul George?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You went to Philly where they drafted at Maxie, they
drafted in bead.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know how it's like to be the scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
If you're Chris bosh right with Lebron Kevin Love in
Cleveland was a scapegoat. The third guy is always the
one who gets the blame. I just how's Paul George
gonna handle that?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
In Philly?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
J Mack with the news, Turn.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
On the news.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
One of your favorite quarterbacks in the league, Josh Allen,
will enter his first full season under Oc Brady, but
no Stefan Diggs and no Gabe Davis. One thing Brady
hopes Alan will do is trying to make not make
a highlight reel play every single time.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Josh is you know, is a great quarterback, but just
seeing his erse for wanting to get better. You know,
when you showed him clips that Hey, you might have
made an incredible play right here, but you didn't have
to make an incredible play, like you know, how can
we make it easier for you you're going to do
You can make plays that nobody else in this world
can do, but we don't need you to do that
every single snap.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I mean, I thought Josh got a little better
at that last year about kind of reeling back. But
in fairness to Josh Allen, he had no run game
until last year, and his wide receiving crew has been
light every year he's been there. So let's not make
it out that Josh Allen has this surplus of weapons
and he's sloppy. Let's make it that he's had a
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revolving door on the O line outside of left tackle,
not much of a run game, a defensive coach, multiple coordinators,
and a lot of times he has to put a
cape on because that's the only way they win.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Well, you saw those stats on the screen.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Last three seasons, he's been a turnover machine, also a
touchdown machine. What's the difference between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?
Tell me Lamar has two MVPs.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, I think they're both great. Josh has had more
playoffs success, but they're both great, and I think Josh
is better from the pocket. I think I think Josh
is the better quarterback. But they're both top five in
the league. There's not a big gap. They're both great.
I don't know franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Lamar's looked at as a failure in the playoffs, where
Josh Allen has been in a bunch of high leverage
games and he always seems to come out on the
losing side. And I know some of it's against Mahomes,
and he did beat Lamar head to head at home,
But I don't think there's.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
That much of a difference between these two.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like, you can't tell me definitively Alan's way better, can you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, I think I would choose Alan over Lamar, But
I have defended Lamar basically every week in the NFL
since he arrived. I had my doubts in his first
two years because he was very run centric, but I
pivoted very quickly after I watched him live play and
watched them play every week. But I think Josh Allen's better.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I mean, Alan's had the better receiver, for no doubt,
digs is better than anybody in Lamar's.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Had correct well, and Josh has a bigger arm. Josh,
you know, I think you know John Larbos considered the
better coach. Lamar's had better offensive lines, better run games,
the better coach, the better organization. Josh has had a
very good pass rush, some stability, but I think Josh
has had to overcome more than Lamar.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Lamar's played in a tougher division, for sure. I know
Allan's had to go up against the Patriots, but that
was near the end.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When they weren't good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Both divisions and the Jets have been terrible and the
Dolphins are trash, So.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I don't know that's an interesting one. Josh Allen or Lamar?
Who are you taking?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think ninety gms would take Josh, but he is
prone to mistake. Yeah, I think it's pretty high. I
think Joshin's considered top two or three million league.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, next up, boy, we've heard a lot of
chatter about a DeVante Adams Aaron Rodgers reunion.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
For my Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
DeVante's agent so have come out and tried to squash
the baseless reports. NFL legend Randy Moss believes the all
pro receiver should go chase a ring with his old quarterback.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Go back with your quarterback, man and Aaron Rodgers, they
made some great things happen. I mean that would look
good him at the JET. The advice for him just
keep being yourself man, and go get a ring if
he has an opportunity to get it. You know, I
don't know if he's at I don't think he has
had an opportunity to be in the big game yet.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
And I think that when you sit up.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Here and work so hard to get to a point,
there's a lot of guys that has put in some
great work in the National Football League that has never
seen the Super Bowl state. So I wish him well
and I want him to go get it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's not interested, but you Jet should not be interested.
Do you know how much you'd have to give up
first round picks you'd have to give in your Raiders.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
They finally gave up a first and a second for
Adams a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
So you want to get Antonio Pierce has the worst
quarterback in the division. You want to give his one
elite offensive piece away with Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, if you're failing and you're two and seven at
the deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I'm looking at ship Devanta Adams get picks.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Built for the future. I'm not doing anything this year
with him.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
No, you have picks, you're going to be a last year.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He didn't like it. He would go to the podium
and be like a sak.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Raiders aren't going to have a problem getting picks
because they're going to have a top three pick. They're
a bottom team in the league. They're going to get picks.
Remember if you're if you have a top pick in
the first round, you'll take your quarterback. If you have
a top pick in the second round, you start you
start moving down those top of the second round picks.
Teams sleep on the first round. They wake up in
the morning and they want to move up and get picks.
(32:45):
Raiders picks won't be an issue. Getting the right quarterbacks
in issue. So I'm not giving up my best player.
I got two players. I'm not giving up Max Crosby
Devonte Adams, I'm not when you may you spent all
this money to get him, You made all these moves
to get him. Why am I giving him up? If
you put so many hours in to acquiring him.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So should the Jets go after him. I mean the
Jets have currently Garrett Wilson, who's elite.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
He's a top tens, a grown up offensive coordinator. Why
is it, Mike Williams. That's not your issues, Navier Gibson.
You're fine at wide receiver. Okay, You're not fine an
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
What about keeping the quarterback happy? The petulant darkness retreat
going on quarterback?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Keep him happy?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know? The Fox wants to keep you happy here, right,
so they take you out the lunch all the day.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I got salmon yesterday, salmon, Yeah, nice little overcoat.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
So they try to keep you happy.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Should the Jets try to get Aaron Rodgers happy?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
God, he's forty, he's an old man. Just like just
let him play and then move on.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Final story to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The Mads announced Kyrie Irving broke his left hand earlier
this month during training and I had to go under
undergo surgery. Dallas provided no timetable for return, but they
expect him, you know, to be good for trading camp
in two and a half months. No word on how
he broke his hand other than during training. That's a
little suspicious. He asked me why is that suspicious? So
(34:11):
the season at long season, it's the summer. You're taking
time off, you're training.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Who are he's training for? You're a veteran.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
He's a pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So he's training in early July season start for four months.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
We had Adam Wainwright on the show yesterday say that,
think about this that baseball players now they take seven
to ten days off, they get back into training. Ooh,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Kyrie's old man, he's in his early thirties.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's basketball. You're not going to go. You see all
these videos of Steph Curry playing with like guys at
the gym.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, that's not training. Let's pickup bell That's.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
What I'm saying. But you can break your hand playing
pick up ball. These guys don't take a month off.
They're not like you going abroad fifteen minutes. Some of
these people are growing professional. That was labor intensive. I
was working on rants every day. Luckily did your He's
suffered there j back with.
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Speaker 1 (35:48):
So Lebron's now thirty nine in his twenty second year.
It really is remarkable. He is, on any given game
or offensive possession, the most important player for Team USA.
Kevin Durant had a quote yesterday. He said, he's just
meant so much to the game of basketball. I was
in high school following him. He's almost forty now he's
still playing at an elite level, which is just inspiring
(36:11):
to me. And it's funny. You forget Larry Bird was
limping at thirty two, Barkley at thirty two, injuries piling
up Westbrook at thirty three. You saw clear regression Tiger Woods.
Is a golfer. He won in two thousand and eight
a major. He started eroding. He's a golfer. Lebron is
thirty nine. He's played thirteen thousand more minutes than any
(36:35):
active player. I think Chris Paul's next. He's gone through
more chalk than high school school districts. The guy is
just unbelievable. He's played two hundred and eighty seven playoff games,
which is three and a half extra seasons, and those
are intense minutes. He was very healthy last year, shot
over forty percent from three point land. So one of
(36:58):
the things about Lebron, and I really think this is important,
is that where Kawhi can't stay healthy and embiid, we're
waiting for him to deliver from day one in this
league as a rookie to fifteen years in his prime.
Until now, the NBA is a league the draft is
basically all prospects. Almost when he comes into the league.
(37:21):
He didn't make the Spurs one game better. Lebron doubled
the Cavs win total the minute he arrived in Cleveland
out of high school. Is that the NBA is really
a league of hope and projecting and development. The NFL
draft is not. The NFL Draft is kids who are
twenty three years old, some are married. It's a shorter career.
(37:42):
You get more sort of mature kids who have been
into college campus. They're ready to come in perform very
very quickly, even at the toughest position.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Stroud, Ohio State to the NFL exemplary justin Herbert Joe Burrow.
These guys pop immediately. So you're not hoping. We're not
talking about ceilings. People want things delivered, right. That's why
we love Amazon. I call I order, It's on my
doorstep the next day at ten in the morning. People
(38:12):
want delivery and they're loyal to it. And that's one
of the things about the NFL is that you watch
a draft, you got six guys that can play. I mean,
who do the Packers miss on? When's the last when's
the last draft pick? The Green Bay Packers first, second, third,
fourth round missed on Lebron in a league of hope
(38:33):
is certainty great year one, Dominant in his prime. Dominant
is an older player individually and here on this team,
on any possession, the best player on Team USA. So
I mean it's very Tom Bray Tom wanted it more,
spent more time in his body, was more disciplined with
(38:55):
his diet. And you know the old saying is nobody cares.
We're carter, nobody cares about excuses. And in a league
of hope and sealing and potential, I think Lebron delivers.
And you know his haters, you know they're going to
point to you know, he's lost championships. So much of
(39:17):
this league is what you're represented by, who your front
office is, what's the ownership situation. You know, I've said
this about Michael Jordan for years in hockey. I think
Chicago played in the Western Conference or does had the
Bulls been a Western Conference team because they're right in
the middle of the country and not an Eastern Conference team,
he would have gotten to finals early in his career.
(39:37):
Would have Michael and lost to Boston in Detroit. So
I never you know, Magic got to nine finals, won
to five, lost four. He had Larry Burden the way
another dynasty. Jordan never faced a real dynasty. He did
early in his career and couldn't get to the finals.
Detroit was a dynasty he couldn't get past him. Boston
was a dynasty He couldn't get past them. There was
(39:59):
no dynasty out West during Jordan's best years. There were
good teams Phoenix, Utah, Seattle, Portland, but there were no Dynasties.
People forget this. Michael couldn't beat the Dynasties, but they
were all in his conference and that's the difference. But
it is really remarkable that at thirty nine years old,
(40:21):
the only comp is a football player Brady. I mean,
when Brady retired, we all felt he was still There
was probably not three quarterbacks in the world that if
you gave the football too with two minutes left, you
would trust to win the game more than Brady. Maybe Mahomes,
maybe a Joe Burrow, maybe a Stafford. That's about it.
That's how I feel with lebron There's about three guys
(40:42):
in the league, just about three that I'd trust with
the ball in their hands with thirty seconds left, but
not many. And I think a lot of it is,
you know, and even though he's polarizing because he's taken
some political stands and cultural stands, it is remarkable. Even
brawny and I'm not sure Bronni's an NBA player Offensively,
(41:02):
he's not. He's a G League player offensively. I'm not
sure he's a G League player offensively, but even Bronni's
popular because he's you know, he's his son. I think
Lebron James, and I think the Lakers see this with
all their data and all their merch if you get
past all the stuff about the personality and the cultural
and the political stuff, this is Jordan looked old in Washington,
(41:26):
he looked old with the Wizards. Lebron doesn't look old.
And I'm watching these USA games. He didn't look old.
He didn't look gold at all. He played a ton
of games last year. So uh one, they're beating Serbia.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Beating the Brakes off Serbia. But this could be troubling.
Is now Serbia uses his motivation for the next meeting
when they meet here in a couple of weeks. I
do I don't know how to approach you with this.
Lebron putting undue pressure on Bronni, naming him after himself, saying,
like four or five years ago, I want to play.
You know, that's my dream to play with my son.
(42:01):
I just you know, Lebron's son wins this Call of
Duty tournament. You the video game tournament Vegas I just
wonder whose dream is it for Bronnie to play in
the NBA. Is it Lebron's or his son Bronnie.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not saying Lebron's done a bad job, but like you,
you're a parent, you want the best for your kid,
and like I just wonder if maybe the pressure has
been a bit much watching him kind of struggle as he.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Is not an NBA offensive play well not yet. Yeah,
I don't see the much there. I think he's athletic,
I think he can defend, and I think that'll be
a space in the NBA if he gets there.
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