July 22, 2024 • 32 mins
Packers insider Matt Schneidman joins the show live from Green Bay with the latest on the negotiations between Love and the Packers
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
A lot of times the story will sound much more
inflammatory than it actually is. And when you see the headline,
Jordan Love says, I'm not practicing until I get a
new contract. WHOA Brandon? I you Niner situation? That's not
really the case here. Both sides want to wrap it up.
But I took the side of Jordan Love today because
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I said, you know, he's not a kid that just
walked out of college into the NFL. They have three
three and a half years of practice tape, twenty seven games,
eighteen starts. They know his maturity, they know his leadership,
They've watched his decision making, they know who he gets
along with, they know his personality quirks. If you're in
a building three three and a half years, it's the
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employee's responsibility to figure out who you are like an
employee is what they are right, so to meet it
with Jordan Love, they have all this practice footage I
haven't seen, but Matt Schneidman probably has seen a lot
of those practices. He's been covering the Packers for about
a half decade. Joins us live from the Athletic and
it sounds very inflammatory. I don't think it is, but
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Matt it is weird because to just say I'm not
practicing is kind of like he's kind of putting his
employers on the hot seat. I'm okay with it. Were
you surprised by it?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
A little bit?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Only because he participated in all the voluntary and mandatory
stuff this offseason without a new contract, but deadline spur
action and David Mulugeta, who represents a lot of high
profile clients in the NFL. You know, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Ramsey,
I think Derwin James, C. J.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Stroud.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
He has Jordan Love too. So the start of training
camp was kind of that first deadline. Brian goudacun said
this offseason on local radio that he wanted to get
something done before camp, but then Goudacunz opened today up
Packers opening training camp a little early because they go
to Brazil week one, so they opened camp a little
early since they play on that Friday. So Goody said today,
you know he wasn't surprised by Jordan Love not practicing today.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's not a holdout, it's a hold in. Jordan Love was.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
At practice, walked out to practice right next to Matt Lafleur,
is doing everything besides practicing. So there is, like you said,
this sense from both sides that not only do they
want to get something done, but something will get done.
Gudacun said point blank at the podium this morning. I
think we're close. So this could be something where Jordan
Love's on the practice field by the end of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I thought last year I'd never seen anything quite like it.
So we had joked for three years. I had more
footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. Like they didn't even
let like practice footage get out. Then he's kind of
bad in September, and even to the point where Matt Lafleur,
who's a very likable player's friendly coach, was kind of
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testy at the podium, and then he becomes Johnny Unitis
and Joe Montana in like a nine week period where
he's the best player in the league playing with a
bunch of kids. It's the youngest team in the league.
So part of me is like, what in what happened?
What's the flip? The switch that was flipped. Let's go
back to that, because generally it's a gradual ascension for
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any quarterback. He just popped about week four, Week five,
What was the flip? What was the switch?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, you know, that's the journalist question that we spent
pretty much the second half of last season asking. It
really started with that Steelers game in Week ten where
they lost, but that was the first game where we
really saw Love make a couple. Okay, you might have
it kind of throws. You know, there were times during
the first half of the season where receiver were running
the same routes and literally standing on top of each
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other in the same spot as incomplete passes flew by.
Jordan wasn't great himself either, but it wasn't only a
first year starting quarterback. You have Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs,
Jaden Reed, and Dontavian Wicks as your top four receivers,
all in their first or second year. You know, you
have to remember not only is Aaron Rodgers gone, but
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they've gotten younger across the board. Yeah, I think at
that halfway point, it was just enough practice reps in
game reps built up between Jordan Love, his weapons, his
offensive line where they really kind of started to gel.
And that's why you saw things start to click in
the second half of last season. Going into the season,
like you said, they really only had one game to
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go off of when Rogers tested positive for COVID in
twenty twenty one. Jordan Love started on short notice against
the Chiefs and Arrowhead and was bad.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I think he was pressured like sixteen times. They lost
thirteen to seven or something. But I remember talking to
Brian Koons over the phone last offseason and he said,
coming out of that game, he was really pleased with
how Jordan Love stood in the face of pressure, kind
of faced it. He kept coming back and they knew
he had the intangibles. And it was a bit of
a waiting game. Not a bit of a waiting game.
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It was a hell of a waiting game waiting out
those couple of years. But now they're paying the dividends
and now they think they have their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Listen. They've never wanted to say it publicly. The Packers
are a pretty classy organization. Not pretty, they're a classy organization.
They don't have an outspoken owner. They just you know
that region, Minnesota, green Bay, Milwaukee. It's a humble, hard
working region. Aaron was a lot the last couple of
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years there. He was a lot. I actually felt watching
Green Bay last year and it hit me about Thanksgiving
and I felt like, oh, this is finally Matt Lafleur's team.
This feels like Matt's team. When you now, again, that's
just a reach by me. You're in the locker room,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
No, it's not I don't think it is a reach
because and apologies to cut you off, but you know,
we spent the entire offseason asking Matt Lafleur, what is
your offense going to look like? Because there's the narrative
and some of it's the Truth's probably somewhere in the middle.
That Aaron Rodgers would just change every single play at them. Yeah,
he obviously had the freedom too, as he should as
a quarterback of his stature in this league. But you know,
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Matt Leaflair always pushed back against that narrative that we
would finally see his true offense. And if you've spent
enough time in Green Bay, like you know, people have
spent much more time here than me. But this is
my sixth season here, and if you want to know
the truth about what's going on in the building, put
Mark Murphy in front of a microphone.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
President to start.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Off training camp last season, after Laflour spent a whole
off season saying no, no, it'll be a collaboration. You know,
this isn't going to be my true offense, Mark Murphy
got to the podium and said, we're finally going to
see what Matt's true offense looks like.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So we did.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Now, I don't know where maybe we saw that most,
but you know, I think we kind of saw some
some collaboration that was really good to see between Lafleur
and Jordan Love as the season went on. And I
think that's what has fans and the Packers really excited
about this season is kind of where they left off.
They obviously surprised some people with that playoff run, and
they're going to hit the ground running this year.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think, you know, it's funny. I remember talking to
a couple of GMS on Jordan leve at a college
at Eusta State, there was some potbust or something. I'm
not terribly judgmental on that, but for quarterbacks it's a
little different. I'm a little more punitive for a quarterback.
You know, how you handle yourself at the podium matters.
I think one of the things that you'd have a
much greater sense of than I would. But I always
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say Dak Prescott is what I want all my quarterbacks
to be at the podium. He's got a crazy owner,
huge brand. He puts out fires and I've come to
terms with Baker Mayfield, but it's a little opposite of
Baker Mayfield. He started them, Dak puts them out. But
I've really been kind of blown away by Jordan Love
at the podium because you're replacing Aaron. This is a
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lot more than people think. You deal with Jordan on
a day to day. So my my gut while is
coming in he's kind of immature. I've seen none of that.
I kind of think he's more mature, Like, what's he
like as a guy? Fill me in a little bit
on this.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Yeah, that's part of the reason why the Packers were
so comfortable trading Aaron without really seeing Jordan's start.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
All that much was because they had seen him behind
the scenes for three years.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
In all my interactions with Jordan, whether it be kind
of off to the side in the locker room or
you know, in a press conference setting in front of
his locker, nothing but respectful, really nice guy, very pc
with his answers. He hasn't really let us in yet.
He's starting to do so more, starting to show more personality.
But I don't blame him for in his first year
starting not really you know, wanting to do that. You know,
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there's kind of a rule of thumb around here for
local reporters that you get one big one on one
request for the entire season. So I would request Aaron
for a one on one the first four years I
was here, and he said yes.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
All four times.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
He would, you know, always be great and you know,
Aarin like, he's an incredible interview for reporters.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh twinch.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, he's so insightful, so knowledgeable.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And I'm not saying Jordan love isn't that he just
doesn't give you kind of the quotes and as much
you know, insight and storytelling and who knows he might
become that. But I requested Jordan for a one on
one before they played the Cowboys last year, and he
respectfully declined it, which I have no problem with, but
it was because he just wanted to, you know, keep
the focus on the Cowboys, kind of still prove himself,
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and he hadn't really done I don't think many local
one on ones or however many one on ones, because
his thing last year was I just want to prove
that I belong, I think, and he did that and
this this contract is going to reflect that. So maybe
we see more of that personality this year. His teammates
love him. Keishawn Nixon after they gave an extension to
Kenny Clark yesterday, Keishaw Nixon, they're all pro kick returner tweeted,
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Number ten is next.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
These guys have his back.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
From everything I know and everything I've heard, Jordan Love
has been nothing but exemplary in terms of a teammate
and a personality in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So expectations. So I kind of feel like there's a
handful of rosters in the NFL San Francisco Detroit feel
like they're just older than the packers. They're really good.
They're especially San Francisco. It's like Hall of Fame veterans.
These guys are someone on the precipice of maybe a
retirement like a Kittle. And then there's you know, you're
Baltimore's stack roster. I think Cleveland, Pittsburgh that you know,
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Kansas City, Buffalo. I was so blown away by Love
and the Packers in Dallas and you know it's one
of the last. And then the San Francisco game they
went down to the end. I think they're in my
like seven eight team super Bowl bubble. But I do
wonder if I'm just giving too much to two games
where I was so blown away by them. What feels
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realistic to you? I mean, they upgraded it running back.
The old line's young. Now it's not as young. I imagine,
like they always do, some of these draft picks will
hit and produce. What's realistic to you that if the
season ended blank, you'd have to be happy with it.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I don't think it's Super Bowl or bust necessarily, but
those are realistic expectations to have. Last year, with the
youngest team in the NFL, they went to the Divisional round,
and you have to remember they took a lead into
that fourth quarter against the forty nine ers, and then
they would have gone to Detroit where they spanked the
Lions a couple weeks prior. So for a second there,
I was sitting in the press box in Santa Clara,
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thinking the Packer's going to go to the Super Bowl
this year. But I think, you know, home field advantage
in the NFC playoffs is realistic.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You got to get back to winning a division.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That should be the bare minimum for expectations inside that building.
I would put them up there with some of the
best rosters in the NFL, but I think they're still
kind of playing with house money with how young they are.
They still have the same receiver corps. Like you mentioned.
They replaced Aaron Jones with a running back in Josh Jacobs,
who is more than three years younger but made a
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first team All Pro two years ago. And their other
massive addition is Xavier McKinney, the perennial All Pro safety
from the New York Giants who's still twenty four years old.
They gave him almost seventeen million in free agency this offseason,
hired a new defensive coordinator and Jeff Hafley, the former
head coach at Boston College. So there's a lot of
change here, but at the meat of the bone is
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this is still a really young team who feels they
did leave some meat on the bone last year.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And Jayden Reid, one of their promising receivers, said today,
you know they expect to just hit the ground running
right where were they left off last year?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah? Great stuff. Matt Schneidman covers the packers for The Athletic,
which I strongly encourage people subscribe to because I live
on the thing. They do great work. We haven't talked before.
We want to bring you on again. Appreciate you taking time.
I know you're a busy guy. You just got out
of locker room down there and up there wherever it is,
and we just appreciate having your insight on the show.
My man, Thank you, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Colin really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Matt Schneidman. Really nice job with them, and it's a
I love getting people that are in the locker rooms
at practice come right off of practice and have great insight,
and that's exactly what he delivered.
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Speaker 3 (13:26):
Hey, we've been so friendly and kind to so many teams.
Let's go to Daniel Jones. Ah, yes, we need to
kind of mock someone. Anyways, he's under a lot of
pressure in what is his sixth season as Giants quarterback.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
They were looking to draft one, but we're unable to
make a deal to move up.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Jones got paid last offseason, performed poorly before tearing his
ACL in November, but says he's ready to go with.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Training camp set to begin on Wednesday. You know, they
went outed.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Drew Locke, so you know, it's just a hot seat.
So I what's really interesting to me? And I was
in the Northeast this weekend and ran into Well, there's
a lot of New York Giant fans all over the northeast. Okay,
they're still clinging to Daniel Jones. Now my question is
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it's almost like those clinging to Joe Biden. Do you
really believe in him or you just don't like the alternative?
Do you really believe in Daniel Jones or do you
got to roll the dice with another quarterback out of college?
And you cross your fingers. But it's interesting to listen
to the you think of New York as this demanding, urgent,
deliver bottom line city. Every time I talk to a
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Giant fan, they're like, hey, you're rough on Daniel Jones,
and I think, am I.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Who are these meatballs you're talking?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're not tough on Daniel Jokes. I don't hang out
with meatballs. These are America's future, and they still kind
of buyd now. I do think. I think he's a bigger,
faster version of Alex Smith, where he's a big guy
that can move. But I just the way too many
turnovers the game looks fast Now. The argument by a
Giant fan is our offensive line is putrid? What do
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you expect? And I do think that's part of it,
though they have a very good left tackle, but it
can't be all of it. At some point you have
to overcome stuff. Joe Burrow got to a Super Bowl
with a bad offensive line. I'm not asking you to
win thirteen games a year. You can't be awful. Burrow
got to a super Bowl with an atrocious ole line.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Hey, you know who else had a bad old line?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Zach Wilson, he's got We got to give him a shot.
Zach Wilson didn't really have a fair shake with the
Jets because of the left tackle was a disaster. Like,
is that what we're doing here? Or is Daniel doones?
Do they like him because he won one playoff game
he won in Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
For the record, if you're keeping score, he does not
make my top ten list.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's top twenty. I don't even know if he's top twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's just a turnover thing, man, It's it's his stuff's
compounding not winning enough turnovers. Now he's hurts. It's all.
That's a troika. It's there, the bad threesome. When you're hurt,
you're not winning, and you turn them all over a time.
It's like Justin Fields, It's like Justin, you're not winning,
you get hurt too much, and your turnovers are major problem.
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I think Justin's more talented than Daniel, but it's the
same kind of thing. You got to stay out of them.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you were looking for a bridge quarterback, would you
go Fields or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Oh my gosh, you've got to think about this.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I do. What's the price tag Fields is free.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
To twelve million a year.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're looking for a bridge quarterback, a backup, ten, ten
million whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I don't know. Justin Fields had a defensive coach. Daniel's
got one of the best offensive coaches.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
You've seen five years of Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He ain't it.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Justin Field's like.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
We don't think he's it, But I think there's a
better chance.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
That something becomes as well Fields than jo.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Also, Justin Fields has never again had an offensive head coach.
That's a rough that's harder.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
By the way, nobody's succeeded in Chicago quarterback nobody I
Rex Grossman, Jim Harbaugh, Like they don't know what to
do a quarterback up.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Wow, I can't believe you had to think about that.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Why I didn't give you an answer, I mean, is
there a Now I'll give you an example. I think
Zach Wilson is a service. I think he could be
a great backup, but I trust now, God, I don't.
It's funny. There's not a lot of backup quarterbacks. I
mean Justin Fields maybe top of the list. He may
be number one. I'm serious. I mean he's got super talent.
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I'm he may be the trying to think of another backup.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Chase Daniels, he still in the league now, I mean
for Taylor yet?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Oh I like him? Yeah, Tyrod Taylor's top my list backup. Yeah,
that's a good one. But he's getting older now, he's
gotta be like thirty three.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
You're not expected to do much?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Is the backup? Hold a clipboard?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Tyrod? My theory on backups. Your starter gets hurt for
four weeks, could the backup win two games?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Super Rush one?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I think four games league. I don't know enough about
Cooper Rush. I've seen a lot of tam Tyrod could
be my It wouldn't be a needle mover. But if
you list backup quarterback segments, Tyrod's way up there. He's
way up there.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Let's rank the top ten backup. Now, let's not okay,
let's move on to another quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The Vikings kicking off camp this week, and they have
Sam Darnold your guy as the starter with Kirk Cousins gone.
According to a recent report the Vikings leadership police, there's.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Untapped potential with Darnold.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, and I hope you can follow in the footsteps
of Geno Smith. Yes, when he arrived in Seattle. Remember Geno,
Oh goodness gracious, total disaster turned it around in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Dude. They have so much offensive talent.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They have a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm really actually, if Minnesota finishes in fourth, they're going
to go down as one of the best fourth place teams.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I wouldn't be shocked if in Week thirteen they're battling
for second place in that division behind Detroit. They have
a lot I like their coach, I like their left tackle.
They're tied in running back, their receivers. They made some
nice little smart like Houston Texans a couple of years
ago and made a bunch of B B plus moves
in the offseason free agency. Vikings did the same. I really,
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if they were in a different division, I give them
a shot at a wild card with Donald I just
I think the Packers and Detroit are too good, and
I think Chicago's going to be arguably the most improved
team in the league.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Is there a world where the Vikings win ten games
that make the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yes? There is, Okay, I mean Baker Mayfield. Everybody bailed
on him, and he goes to Tampa and he gets
a big deal. Obviously, JJ McCarthy is who they want
to start. But did they got pro bowlers at all
the key offensive positions, all of.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
What O'Connell did last year with who is the Joshobs?
Without a practice and there was somebody else for Corthy's
guys and they were putting up numbers in competitive in games.
Now you've got a full season with with Donald and McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I think maybe we're a little lower than we should
be on the vikings.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think it's all division related. I think if they
were in a different division, I'd like him a lot more.
I don't do the.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Lions scare you?
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yes, yes they do the division. But do they scare you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, because they can take the ball out of your
hands because they just lean on their run game and
their own line and you never get a handle on Golf.
If GoF has protection, he's a top six quarterback in
the league. When GoF has time to throw, you can't
get to them. Their own line is too good. Yeah,
Detroit is a nightmare. Detroit's one of those teams. Remember
when they opened with Kansas City and beat them.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You can play keep awayall Wait a minute, Chris Jones
didn't play excuses.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think Detroit's a team you don't want to play.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Are you trying to get golf in here?
Speaker 8 (20:42):
By the way?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know, some of us have the ability to perceive
talent at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Final story, Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
How about this guy, this Otani fellow over the season yesterday,
as the Dodgers swept the Sorry no account Red Sox,
here's the blasphrom Otani with a call from AM five
to seventy LA Sports.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
To one is hammered, go Bright Center film way out
of here.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Then Oltani joins the home run party a thirty home
run season for Shaw. Hey, otanis, Oh, how do you like?
That's four hundred and seventy three feet. You're looking at
the greatest baseball player in the history of the sport
right there. There's nothing like.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Him in the history of this He's.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Going to be the MVP. Is a DH He's like first,
second or third in every test stolen bases. Is a
power hitter, he's fifth. That's like that's like, I mean,
think about that. What if Hank Aaron could be a
top five stolen base threat. I mean, it's insane. What
if Barry Bonds was a top three stolen base threat.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Oh he was Berry Bond. He'd run five forty guy,
wasn't he.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
All I know is the kid is and and and
the Dodgers have been so injury plagued there are times
you could have pitched around him a little, can't.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
He's just out of the stadium. That's pretty. It's a
good flex.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm trying to think of the last person that hit
it out of Dodger Stadium. There was a former San
Francisco Giant named Willie McCovey, number forty four, a legendary.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Lessons in his seventies baseball.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, Willie McCovey, I think hit the ball out of.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hiven Conseco hit that one in the World Series out
of his Gibson.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He may have had help, but I'm trying to think
of I mean, of all the great Dodger hitters and
all the great players, I don't know anybody it. William
McCovey is the only top of my head player that
I think hit the ball to Dodger Stadium. And I'm
not sure, but I'm pretty sure, hey, Ryan, outside of
hockey scores, can you get that one for me? It's
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William McCovey, the last guy to hit it out of Dodger.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Stadium's Great Trivia Question and would probably be on Jeopardy
this week.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I am is.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Baseball doing enough to market him, because if they, if
the NBA or NFL had someone on that level, like
you said earlier, the Travis Kelsey's in six national commercials.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well he's everywhere Lebron obviously.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But like, well, that's not Baseball's fault, that's his agent's issue.
He's a good looking kid. He's unbelievable. To me, if
I was a product in America, I put my name
and I think there's some stigma with a gambling but
I you know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Know it shouldn't he Now, Biseball had this with Trout,
You like, he was the best player in the sport
and they couldn't win in the playoffs, and he.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Was just like kind of not anonymous, but he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
As famous as the top basketball players or football players
in America.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Okay, they say here. John Carlos Stanton had the longest
home run at Dodger Stadium nine years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
So close to Willie McCovey.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He was a Marlin back then. Let's see, Okay, only
only six home runs have been hit out of the stadium.
Fernando Tattish, John Carlos Stanton, Mark McGuire, Mike Piazza, Willie Stargell.
So I'm wrong. It's it's not McCovey. It's Willie Stargells
the big le maguire remember him, Yeah, everybody remembers him.
(24:04):
So William McCovey didn't hit the ball out of Dougers.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Okay, all right, Seventies baseball.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, a lot of people like seventies baseball. Maybe you
should pay at.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
About the Cincinnati Reds in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
With eighty Do I know anything? I literally I can
tell you. I can go back up catch your bill,
plumber On. You don't don't. You don't even want to
test me in that space. The rain man over.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
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Mike Piazza, I think I remember that one. My William
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Speaker 1 (25:57):
Uh struggle this weekend. You Lebron and Team USA by
a point beat South su Dan. I watched a majority
of that game. They were reeling in the first half.
We have more talent than we had in a long time,
and Rachel Nickels stopped by earlier today. I also thought
it was pretty interesting that Lebron was voted here at
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thirty nine years old. Year twenty two, he was voted
on among all other players in Olympic basketball as the
flag bear for both teams, and I think the fact
that younger players still look up to Lebron. He's aging well.
Rachel and I talked about.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
That they usually give this honor to an athlete who
has had several games experienced, so it's someone who's a
veteran of Team USA. But there's a lot of veterans
of Team USA across the board on the women's basketball
side and every sport you can think of, and there's
never been a male basketball player from Team USA who
has carried the flag. So that tells you how much
(26:58):
of an honor and how much of an accomplished this is.
Lebron is a different temperament than Kobe and NJ. And
he always has been right. Kobe and MJ didn't care
who liked them, you know, in fact, they kind of
wanted people not to like them, right, and it was
just sort of winning was filling this need that they have. Lebron,
to me, has always been someone who winning builds him
as opposed to like sort of filling something, and he
(27:20):
wants to be liked. And you know, he's talked about
that in recent years that when he tried to be
the villain in like it the heat, he didn't like it. So,
you know, I'm not surprised. And he has been much
better with young players than some of the Vets were
with him when he was younger.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Do you think as they look at it now, do
you think maybe a little bit the Olympic women's team
is thinking, God, did we have to lose to Caitlin
Clark in w lster team of all the games we
needed to win, did it kind of? Was it kind
of a? Okay? Do you think there's anybody on that
Olympic team that thinks who's probably just showed really well?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Look, the last time they did this, prior to the
Tokyo Olympics, the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Team beat Team USA.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
So it's happened before. And frankly, this is the toughest
competition Team USA is going to face in this entire month.
They are not going to face an opponent in the
international tournament that is as talented as hungry as we
saw the WNBA team b over the weekend, and.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Cheryl we've talked about that.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
She said, I think this is a landmark game for
our league and it's one of the most exciting nights
we've ever had because there were so many eyeballs and
so much attention on it. And part of that is,
of course due to Caitlin Cleric. I mean, if you
look at the voting, the top eleven players in voting
for the All Star Game last year, I think it
was seven hundred and thirty four thousand or something in
(28:40):
that ballpark, the total voting this year just for Caitlin
Clark alone was seven hundred thousand, So that not only
tells you how popular she is, but tells you how
many more people are voting, how many more people tuned in.
I think that most of the WNBA is actually pretty
grateful for her bringing those eyeballs, and especially to an
All Star game, because look at all the players that
got to show off.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, Oh, that's that is my Arica was.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Great, Angel was great. Brianna Stewie was just like a
beast out there.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're a great musical act who you choose as you're
open change his career? Yes, like it? It's I can remember.
I think it was the Rolling Stones at one point
choose Guns n' Roses as and Guns and Roses outperformed them.
There is something to be said you put Caitlin Clark
in these showcase games because advertisers will watch no like I.
(29:28):
And by the way, if you're in a member of Chicago,
there can be car dealerships, there can be there's all
sorts of local businesses that we forget. Not every ads
a national ad.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
And Diana absolutely does that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, no one, Yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Mean as for tem Usa, I will say this. I
think that Caitlin Clark is more relieved not to be
on Team USA than she would was when the selection
process was going on. I think she wanted to be
on tm USA when the selection process is going on.
But she talked at this All Star Game about how
exhausted she is. She's played a year straight of basketball
the calendar, going from college to pros.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
To the women because the WNBA season, you don't get
to layoff after college.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yeh.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Her last basketball game for IOWA was in April, and
the draft is April thirteenth and they get into training
camp two weeks later. So she's very tired from all
of that basketball and frankly also from carrying the leagues
that she's been in. She's had the most attention on
her and I think it's affected her shot.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Her shot didn't go in this All Start bit.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
She's been a little bit, you know, tough from three
point line for a while, and I think it's exhaustion.
And she just said, I'm looking forward to taking a
month off. I'll see you at the end of it.
I think we're going to see a rejuvenated Caitlyn Clark
for this final run of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So they're not quite sure the Paris Olympics how popular
there'll be. They got stuff next to the Eiffel Tower,
so optics are unbelievable. But I think we're getting a
dominant gold from the women and a more a battle
tested gold from the man. That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
What a bigger question is, are you interested in watching
the women's team that doesn't have Kaitlin Bor?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Not as much. No, I would watch with Kaitlin, you know.
But in fairness, I've said this a hundred times over
the course of last twenty years. I about fifteen years ago,
pivoted to World Cup over the Olympics. You know, the
Olympics used to be when I was younger, you didn't
get sports for three weeks straight every day on TV, right,
(31:20):
Like every game wasn't right televised, so like it was
just rare. The World Cup twenty five years ago wasn't
as big here. The Olympics were gigantic. I watched soccer
beyond the Olympics. I don't watch lose or track and
field beyond the Olympics, so I don't care as much
about the Olympics. I think the Winter Olympics because I
(31:40):
ski I think they're fun. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I like volleyball.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
This summer Olympics is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Chase Puttinger, former NBA player.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I got some buddies out in South Bay who played
with him, and obviously he's a superstar athlete.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I'm very excited to watch volleyball at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That'll be great. Yeah, I'll watch. Some of my kids
are there. They got some tickets and so.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
You know, your dad to get the hook up.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, dad didn't do the hookup. No. I gave them
a little cash for it, but they bought their own tickets.
They want to go to it. Well I did, Hey,
not spoiling any kids over here.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
They work hard for the money.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
That's a song right in the eighties or seventies.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
If it was in the seventies or eighties, I was
humming it at some point in my life. Okay. Matt
Schneidman stopped by from packer camp. Rachel Nichols stopped by
as well on a Monday. Huh, we're going to have
quite a presidential race here.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Should we not comment on that?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Very well? You have takes, Oh, I got takes. I
got takes for Miles on that thing. Maybe i'll unveil
them tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
A lot of times the story will sound much more
inflammatory than it actually is. And when you see the headline,
Jordan Love says, I'm not practicing until I get a
new contract. WHOA Brandon? I you Niner situation? That's not
really the case here. Both sides want to wrap it up.
But I took the side of Jordan Love today because
(00:45):
I said, you know, he's not a kid that just
walked out of college into the NFL. They have three
three and a half years of practice tape, twenty seven games,
eighteen starts. They know his maturity, they know his leadership,
They've watched his decision making, they know who he gets
along with, they know his personality quirks. If you're in
a building three three and a half years, it's the
(01:07):
employee's responsibility to figure out who you are like an
employee is what they are right, so to meet it
with Jordan Love, they have all this practice footage I
haven't seen, but Matt Schneidman probably has seen a lot
of those practices. He's been covering the Packers for about
a half decade. Joins us live from the Athletic and
it sounds very inflammatory. I don't think it is, but
(01:30):
Matt it is weird because to just say I'm not
practicing is kind of like he's kind of putting his
employers on the hot seat. I'm okay with it. Were
you surprised by it?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
A little bit?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Only because he participated in all the voluntary and mandatory
stuff this offseason without a new contract, but deadline spur
action and David Mulugeta, who represents a lot of high
profile clients in the NFL. You know, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Ramsey,
I think Derwin James, C. J.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Stroud.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
He has Jordan Love too. So the start of training
camp was kind of that first deadline. Brian goudacun said
this offseason on local radio that he wanted to get
something done before camp, but then Goudacunz opened today up
Packers opening training camp a little early because they go
to Brazil week one, so they opened camp a little
early since they play on that Friday. So Goody said today,
you know he wasn't surprised by Jordan Love not practicing today.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's not a holdout, it's a hold in. Jordan Love was.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
At practice, walked out to practice right next to Matt Lafleur,
is doing everything besides practicing. So there is, like you said,
this sense from both sides that not only do they
want to get something done, but something will get done.
Gudacun said point blank at the podium this morning. I
think we're close. So this could be something where Jordan
Love's on the practice field by the end of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I thought last year I'd never seen anything quite like it.
So we had joked for three years. I had more
footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. Like they didn't even
let like practice footage get out. Then he's kind of
bad in September, and even to the point where Matt Lafleur,
who's a very likable player's friendly coach, was kind of
(03:08):
testy at the podium, and then he becomes Johnny Unitis
and Joe Montana in like a nine week period where
he's the best player in the league playing with a
bunch of kids. It's the youngest team in the league.
So part of me is like, what in what happened?
What's the flip? The switch that was flipped. Let's go
back to that, because generally it's a gradual ascension for
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any quarterback. He just popped about week four, Week five,
What was the flip? What was the switch?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, you know, that's the journalist question that we spent
pretty much the second half of last season asking. It
really started with that Steelers game in Week ten where
they lost, but that was the first game where we
really saw Love make a couple. Okay, you might have
it kind of throws. You know, there were times during
the first half of the season where receiver were running
the same routes and literally standing on top of each
(04:02):
other in the same spot as incomplete passes flew by.
Jordan wasn't great himself either, but it wasn't only a
first year starting quarterback. You have Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs,
Jaden Reed, and Dontavian Wicks as your top four receivers,
all in their first or second year. You know, you
have to remember not only is Aaron Rodgers gone, but
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they've gotten younger across the board. Yeah, I think at
that halfway point, it was just enough practice reps in
game reps built up between Jordan Love, his weapons, his
offensive line where they really kind of started to gel.
And that's why you saw things start to click in
the second half of last season. Going into the season,
like you said, they really only had one game to
(04:44):
go off of when Rogers tested positive for COVID in
twenty twenty one. Jordan Love started on short notice against
the Chiefs and Arrowhead and was bad.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I think he was pressured like sixteen times. They lost
thirteen to seven or something. But I remember talking to
Brian Koons over the phone last offseason and he said,
coming out of that game, he was really pleased with
how Jordan Love stood in the face of pressure, kind
of faced it. He kept coming back and they knew
he had the intangibles. And it was a bit of
a waiting game. Not a bit of a waiting game.
(05:14):
It was a hell of a waiting game waiting out
those couple of years. But now they're paying the dividends
and now they think they have their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Listen. They've never wanted to say it publicly. The Packers
are a pretty classy organization. Not pretty, they're a classy organization.
They don't have an outspoken owner. They just you know
that region, Minnesota, green Bay, Milwaukee. It's a humble, hard
working region. Aaron was a lot the last couple of
(05:43):
years there. He was a lot. I actually felt watching
Green Bay last year and it hit me about Thanksgiving
and I felt like, oh, this is finally Matt Lafleur's team.
This feels like Matt's team. When you now, again, that's
just a reach by me. You're in the locker room,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
No, it's not I don't think it is a reach
because and apologies to cut you off, but you know,
we spent the entire offseason asking Matt Lafleur, what is
your offense going to look like? Because there's the narrative
and some of it's the Truth's probably somewhere in the middle.
That Aaron Rodgers would just change every single play at them. Yeah,
he obviously had the freedom too, as he should as
a quarterback of his stature in this league. But you know,
(06:22):
Matt Leaflair always pushed back against that narrative that we
would finally see his true offense. And if you've spent
enough time in Green Bay, like you know, people have
spent much more time here than me. But this is
my sixth season here, and if you want to know
the truth about what's going on in the building, put
Mark Murphy in front of a microphone.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
President to start.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Off training camp last season, after Laflour spent a whole
off season saying no, no, it'll be a collaboration. You know,
this isn't going to be my true offense, Mark Murphy
got to the podium and said, we're finally going to
see what Matt's true offense looks like.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So we did.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Now, I don't know where maybe we saw that most,
but you know, I think we kind of saw some
some collaboration that was really good to see between Lafleur
and Jordan Love as the season went on. And I
think that's what has fans and the Packers really excited
about this season is kind of where they left off.
They obviously surprised some people with that playoff run, and
they're going to hit the ground running this year.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think, you know, it's funny. I remember talking to
a couple of GMS on Jordan leve at a college
at Eusta State, there was some potbust or something. I'm
not terribly judgmental on that, but for quarterbacks it's a
little different. I'm a little more punitive for a quarterback.
You know, how you handle yourself at the podium matters.
I think one of the things that you'd have a
much greater sense of than I would. But I always
(07:39):
say Dak Prescott is what I want all my quarterbacks
to be at the podium. He's got a crazy owner,
huge brand. He puts out fires and I've come to
terms with Baker Mayfield, but it's a little opposite of
Baker Mayfield. He started them, Dak puts them out. But
I've really been kind of blown away by Jordan Love
at the podium because you're replacing Aaron. This is a
(08:02):
lot more than people think. You deal with Jordan on
a day to day. So my my gut while is
coming in he's kind of immature. I've seen none of that.
I kind of think he's more mature, Like, what's he
like as a guy? Fill me in a little bit
on this.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Yeah, that's part of the reason why the Packers were
so comfortable trading Aaron without really seeing Jordan's start.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
All that much was because they had seen him behind
the scenes for three years.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
In all my interactions with Jordan, whether it be kind
of off to the side in the locker room or
you know, in a press conference setting in front of
his locker, nothing but respectful, really nice guy, very pc
with his answers. He hasn't really let us in yet.
He's starting to do so more, starting to show more personality.
But I don't blame him for in his first year
starting not really you know, wanting to do that. You know,
(08:51):
there's kind of a rule of thumb around here for
local reporters that you get one big one on one
request for the entire season. So I would request Aaron
for a one on one the first four years I
was here, and he said yes.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
All four times.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
He would, you know, always be great and you know,
Aarin like, he's an incredible interview for reporters.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh twinch.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, he's so insightful, so knowledgeable.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And I'm not saying Jordan love isn't that he just
doesn't give you kind of the quotes and as much
you know, insight and storytelling and who knows he might
become that. But I requested Jordan for a one on
one before they played the Cowboys last year, and he
respectfully declined it, which I have no problem with, but
it was because he just wanted to, you know, keep
the focus on the Cowboys, kind of still prove himself,
(09:33):
and he hadn't really done I don't think many local
one on ones or however many one on ones, because
his thing last year was I just want to prove
that I belong, I think, and he did that and
this this contract is going to reflect that. So maybe
we see more of that personality this year. His teammates
love him. Keishawn Nixon after they gave an extension to
Kenny Clark yesterday, Keishaw Nixon, they're all pro kick returner tweeted,
(09:57):
Number ten is next.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
These guys have his back.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
From everything I know and everything I've heard, Jordan Love
has been nothing but exemplary in terms of a teammate
and a personality in that locker room.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So expectations. So I kind of feel like there's a
handful of rosters in the NFL San Francisco Detroit feel
like they're just older than the packers. They're really good.
They're especially San Francisco. It's like Hall of Fame veterans.
These guys are someone on the precipice of maybe a
retirement like a Kittle. And then there's you know, you're
Baltimore's stack roster. I think Cleveland, Pittsburgh that you know,
(10:30):
Kansas City, Buffalo. I was so blown away by Love
and the Packers in Dallas and you know it's one
of the last. And then the San Francisco game they
went down to the end. I think they're in my
like seven eight team super Bowl bubble. But I do
wonder if I'm just giving too much to two games
where I was so blown away by them. What feels
(10:52):
realistic to you? I mean, they upgraded it running back.
The old line's young. Now it's not as young. I imagine,
like they always do, some of these draft picks will
hit and produce. What's realistic to you that if the
season ended blank, you'd have to be happy with it.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I don't think it's Super Bowl or bust necessarily, but
those are realistic expectations to have. Last year, with the
youngest team in the NFL, they went to the Divisional round,
and you have to remember they took a lead into
that fourth quarter against the forty nine ers, and then
they would have gone to Detroit where they spanked the
Lions a couple weeks prior. So for a second there,
I was sitting in the press box in Santa Clara,
(11:31):
thinking the Packer's going to go to the Super Bowl
this year. But I think, you know, home field advantage
in the NFC playoffs is realistic.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You got to get back to winning a division.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That should be the bare minimum for expectations inside that building.
I would put them up there with some of the
best rosters in the NFL, but I think they're still
kind of playing with house money with how young they are.
They still have the same receiver corps. Like you mentioned.
They replaced Aaron Jones with a running back in Josh Jacobs,
who is more than three years younger but made a
(12:02):
first team All Pro two years ago. And their other
massive addition is Xavier McKinney, the perennial All Pro safety
from the New York Giants who's still twenty four years old.
They gave him almost seventeen million in free agency this offseason,
hired a new defensive coordinator and Jeff Hafley, the former
head coach at Boston College. So there's a lot of
change here, but at the meat of the bone is
(12:23):
this is still a really young team who feels they
did leave some meat on the bone last year.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And Jayden Reid, one of their promising receivers, said today,
you know they expect to just hit the ground running
right where were they left off last year?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah? Great stuff. Matt Schneidman covers the packers for The Athletic,
which I strongly encourage people subscribe to because I live
on the thing. They do great work. We haven't talked before.
We want to bring you on again. Appreciate you taking time.
I know you're a busy guy. You just got out
of locker room down there and up there wherever it is,
and we just appreciate having your insight on the show.
My man, Thank you, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Colin really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Matt Schneidman. Really nice job with them, and it's a
I love getting people that are in the locker rooms
at practice come right off of practice and have great insight,
and that's exactly what he delivered.
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Speaker 3 (13:26):
Hey, we've been so friendly and kind to so many teams.
Let's go to Daniel Jones. Ah, yes, we need to
kind of mock someone. Anyways, he's under a lot of
pressure in what is his sixth season as Giants quarterback.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
They were looking to draft one, but we're unable to
make a deal to move up.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Jones got paid last offseason, performed poorly before tearing his
ACL in November, but says he's ready to go with.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Training camp set to begin on Wednesday. You know, they
went outed.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Drew Locke, so you know, it's just a hot seat.
So I what's really interesting to me? And I was
in the Northeast this weekend and ran into Well, there's
a lot of New York Giant fans all over the northeast. Okay,
they're still clinging to Daniel Jones. Now my question is
(14:19):
it's almost like those clinging to Joe Biden. Do you
really believe in him or you just don't like the alternative?
Do you really believe in Daniel Jones or do you
got to roll the dice with another quarterback out of college?
And you cross your fingers. But it's interesting to listen
to the you think of New York as this demanding, urgent,
deliver bottom line city. Every time I talk to a
(14:39):
Giant fan, they're like, hey, you're rough on Daniel Jones,
and I think, am I.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Who are these meatballs you're talking?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're not tough on Daniel Jokes. I don't hang out
with meatballs. These are America's future, and they still kind
of buyd now. I do think. I think he's a bigger,
faster version of Alex Smith, where he's a big guy
that can move. But I just the way too many
turnovers the game looks fast Now. The argument by a
Giant fan is our offensive line is putrid? What do
(15:06):
you expect? And I do think that's part of it,
though they have a very good left tackle, but it
can't be all of it. At some point you have
to overcome stuff. Joe Burrow got to a Super Bowl
with a bad offensive line. I'm not asking you to
win thirteen games a year. You can't be awful. Burrow
got to a super Bowl with an atrocious ole line.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Hey, you know who else had a bad old line?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Zach Wilson, he's got We got to give him a shot.
Zach Wilson didn't really have a fair shake with the
Jets because of the left tackle was a disaster. Like,
is that what we're doing here? Or is Daniel doones?
Do they like him because he won one playoff game
he won in Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
For the record, if you're keeping score, he does not
make my top ten list.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's top twenty. I don't even know if he's top twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's just a turnover thing, man, It's it's his stuff's
compounding not winning enough turnovers. Now he's hurts. It's all.
That's a troika. It's there, the bad threesome. When you're hurt,
you're not winning, and you turn them all over a time.
It's like Justin Fields, It's like Justin, you're not winning,
you get hurt too much, and your turnovers are major problem.
(16:13):
I think Justin's more talented than Daniel, but it's the
same kind of thing. You got to stay out of them.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you were looking for a bridge quarterback, would you
go Fields or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Oh my gosh, you've got to think about this.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I do. What's the price tag Fields is free.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
To twelve million a year.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're looking for a bridge quarterback, a backup, ten, ten
million whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I don't know. Justin Fields had a defensive coach. Daniel's
got one of the best offensive coaches.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
You've seen five years of Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He ain't it.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Justin Field's like.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
We don't think he's it, But I think there's a
better chance.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
That something becomes as well Fields than jo.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Also, Justin Fields has never again had an offensive head coach.
That's a rough that's harder.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
By the way, nobody's succeeded in Chicago quarterback nobody I
Rex Grossman, Jim Harbaugh, Like they don't know what to
do a quarterback up.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Wow, I can't believe you had to think about that.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Why I didn't give you an answer, I mean, is
there a Now I'll give you an example. I think
Zach Wilson is a service. I think he could be
a great backup, but I trust now, God, I don't.
It's funny. There's not a lot of backup quarterbacks. I
mean Justin Fields maybe top of the list. He may
be number one. I'm serious. I mean he's got super talent.
(17:31):
I'm he may be the trying to think of another backup.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Chase Daniels, he still in the league now, I mean
for Taylor yet?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Oh I like him? Yeah, Tyrod Taylor's top my list backup. Yeah,
that's a good one. But he's getting older now, he's
gotta be like thirty three.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
You're not expected to do much?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Is the backup? Hold a clipboard?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Tyrod? My theory on backups. Your starter gets hurt for
four weeks, could the backup win two games?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Super Rush one?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I think four games league. I don't know enough about
Cooper Rush. I've seen a lot of tam Tyrod could
be my It wouldn't be a needle mover. But if
you list backup quarterback segments, Tyrod's way up there. He's
way up there.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Let's rank the top ten backup. Now, let's not okay,
let's move on to another quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The Vikings kicking off camp this week, and they have
Sam Darnold your guy as the starter with Kirk Cousins gone.
According to a recent report the Vikings leadership police, there's.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Untapped potential with Darnold.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, and I hope you can follow in the footsteps
of Geno Smith. Yes, when he arrived in Seattle. Remember Geno,
Oh goodness gracious, total disaster turned it around in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Dude. They have so much offensive talent.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They have a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm really actually, if Minnesota finishes in fourth, they're going
to go down as one of the best fourth place teams.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I wouldn't be shocked if in Week thirteen they're battling
for second place in that division behind Detroit. They have
a lot I like their coach, I like their left tackle.
They're tied in running back, their receivers. They made some
nice little smart like Houston Texans a couple of years
ago and made a bunch of B B plus moves
in the offseason free agency. Vikings did the same. I really,
(19:11):
if they were in a different division, I give them
a shot at a wild card with Donald I just
I think the Packers and Detroit are too good, and
I think Chicago's going to be arguably the most improved
team in the league.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Is there a world where the Vikings win ten games
that make the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yes? There is, Okay, I mean Baker Mayfield. Everybody bailed
on him, and he goes to Tampa and he gets
a big deal. Obviously, JJ McCarthy is who they want
to start. But did they got pro bowlers at all
the key offensive positions, all of.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
What O'Connell did last year with who is the Joshobs?
Without a practice and there was somebody else for Corthy's
guys and they were putting up numbers in competitive in games.
Now you've got a full season with with Donald and McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I think maybe we're a little lower than we should
be on the vikings.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think it's all division related. I think if they
were in a different division, I'd like him a lot more.
I don't do the.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Lions scare you?
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yes, yes they do the division. But do they scare you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, because they can take the ball out of your
hands because they just lean on their run game and
their own line and you never get a handle on Golf.
If GoF has protection, he's a top six quarterback in
the league. When GoF has time to throw, you can't
get to them. Their own line is too good. Yeah,
Detroit is a nightmare. Detroit's one of those teams. Remember
when they opened with Kansas City and beat them.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You can play keep awayall Wait a minute, Chris Jones
didn't play excuses.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think Detroit's a team you don't want to play.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Are you trying to get golf in here?
Speaker 8 (20:42):
By the way?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know, some of us have the ability to perceive
talent at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Final story, Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
How about this guy, this Otani fellow over the season yesterday,
as the Dodgers swept the Sorry no account Red Sox,
here's the blasphrom Otani with a call from AM five
to seventy LA Sports.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
To one is hammered, go Bright Center film way out
of here.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Then Oltani joins the home run party a thirty home
run season for Shaw. Hey, otanis, Oh, how do you like?
That's four hundred and seventy three feet. You're looking at
the greatest baseball player in the history of the sport
right there. There's nothing like.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Him in the history of this He's.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Going to be the MVP. Is a DH He's like first,
second or third in every test stolen bases. Is a
power hitter, he's fifth. That's like that's like, I mean,
think about that. What if Hank Aaron could be a
top five stolen base threat. I mean, it's insane. What
if Barry Bonds was a top three stolen base threat.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Oh he was Berry Bond. He'd run five forty guy,
wasn't he.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
All I know is the kid is and and and
the Dodgers have been so injury plagued there are times
you could have pitched around him a little, can't.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
He's just out of the stadium. That's pretty. It's a
good flex.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm trying to think of the last person that hit
it out of Dodger Stadium. There was a former San
Francisco Giant named Willie McCovey, number forty four, a legendary.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Lessons in his seventies baseball.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, Willie McCovey, I think hit the ball out of.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hiven Conseco hit that one in the World Series out
of his Gibson.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He may have had help, but I'm trying to think
of I mean, of all the great Dodger hitters and
all the great players, I don't know anybody it. William
McCovey is the only top of my head player that
I think hit the ball to Dodger Stadium. And I'm
not sure, but I'm pretty sure, hey, Ryan, outside of
hockey scores, can you get that one for me? It's
(22:49):
William McCovey, the last guy to hit it out of Dodger.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Stadium's Great Trivia Question and would probably be on Jeopardy
this week.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I am is.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Baseball doing enough to market him, because if they, if
the NBA or NFL had someone on that level, like
you said earlier, the Travis Kelsey's in six national commercials.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well he's everywhere Lebron obviously.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But like, well, that's not Baseball's fault, that's his agent's issue.
He's a good looking kid. He's unbelievable. To me, if
I was a product in America, I put my name
and I think there's some stigma with a gambling but
I you know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Know it shouldn't he Now, Biseball had this with Trout,
You like, he was the best player in the sport
and they couldn't win in the playoffs, and he.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Was just like kind of not anonymous, but he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
As famous as the top basketball players or football players
in America.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Okay, they say here. John Carlos Stanton had the longest
home run at Dodger Stadium nine years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
So close to Willie McCovey.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He was a Marlin back then. Let's see, Okay, only
only six home runs have been hit out of the stadium.
Fernando Tattish, John Carlos Stanton, Mark McGuire, Mike Piazza, Willie Stargell.
So I'm wrong. It's it's not McCovey. It's Willie Stargells
the big le maguire remember him, Yeah, everybody remembers him.
(24:04):
So William McCovey didn't hit the ball out of Dougers.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Okay, all right, Seventies baseball.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, a lot of people like seventies baseball. Maybe you
should pay at.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
About the Cincinnati Reds in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
With eighty Do I know anything? I literally I can
tell you. I can go back up catch your bill,
plumber On. You don't don't. You don't even want to
test me in that space. The rain man over.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Here, wait, airports and seventies MLB.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Nobody touches me. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Mike Piazza, I think I remember that one. My William
McCovey trivia. Encyclopedic trivia is not very good. Wrap it
up next live in La, It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 7 (24:55):
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Speaker 1 (25:00):
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Speaker 7 (25:00):
We never have enough time to get to everything we
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in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
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Speaker 1 (25:57):
Uh struggle this weekend. You Lebron and Team USA by
a point beat South su Dan. I watched a majority
of that game. They were reeling in the first half.
We have more talent than we had in a long time,
and Rachel Nickels stopped by earlier today. I also thought
it was pretty interesting that Lebron was voted here at
(26:20):
thirty nine years old. Year twenty two, he was voted
on among all other players in Olympic basketball as the
flag bear for both teams, and I think the fact
that younger players still look up to Lebron. He's aging well.
Rachel and I talked about.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
That they usually give this honor to an athlete who
has had several games experienced, so it's someone who's a
veteran of Team USA. But there's a lot of veterans
of Team USA across the board on the women's basketball
side and every sport you can think of, and there's
never been a male basketball player from Team USA who
has carried the flag. So that tells you how much
(26:58):
of an honor and how much of an accomplished this is.
Lebron is a different temperament than Kobe and NJ. And
he always has been right. Kobe and MJ didn't care
who liked them, you know, in fact, they kind of
wanted people not to like them, right, and it was
just sort of winning was filling this need that they have. Lebron,
to me, has always been someone who winning builds him
as opposed to like sort of filling something, and he
(27:20):
wants to be liked. And you know, he's talked about
that in recent years that when he tried to be
the villain in like it the heat, he didn't like it. So,
you know, I'm not surprised. And he has been much
better with young players than some of the Vets were
with him when he was younger.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Do you think as they look at it now, do
you think maybe a little bit the Olympic women's team
is thinking, God, did we have to lose to Caitlin
Clark in w lster team of all the games we
needed to win, did it kind of? Was it kind
of a? Okay? Do you think there's anybody on that
Olympic team that thinks who's probably just showed really well?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Look, the last time they did this, prior to the
Tokyo Olympics, the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Team beat Team USA.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
So it's happened before. And frankly, this is the toughest
competition Team USA is going to face in this entire month.
They are not going to face an opponent in the
international tournament that is as talented as hungry as we
saw the WNBA team b over the weekend, and.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Cheryl we've talked about that.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
She said, I think this is a landmark game for
our league and it's one of the most exciting nights
we've ever had because there were so many eyeballs and
so much attention on it. And part of that is,
of course due to Caitlin Cleric. I mean, if you
look at the voting, the top eleven players in voting
for the All Star Game last year, I think it
was seven hundred and thirty four thousand or something in
(28:40):
that ballpark, the total voting this year just for Caitlin
Clark alone was seven hundred thousand, So that not only
tells you how popular she is, but tells you how
many more people are voting, how many more people tuned in.
I think that most of the WNBA is actually pretty
grateful for her bringing those eyeballs, and especially to an
All Star game, because look at all the players that
got to show off.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, Oh, that's that is my Arica was.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Great, Angel was great. Brianna Stewie was just like a
beast out there.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're a great musical act who you choose as you're
open change his career? Yes, like it? It's I can remember.
I think it was the Rolling Stones at one point
choose Guns n' Roses as and Guns and Roses outperformed them.
There is something to be said you put Caitlin Clark
in these showcase games because advertisers will watch no like I.
(29:28):
And by the way, if you're in a member of Chicago,
there can be car dealerships, there can be there's all
sorts of local businesses that we forget. Not every ads
a national ad.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
And Diana absolutely does that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, no one, Yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Mean as for tem Usa, I will say this. I
think that Caitlin Clark is more relieved not to be
on Team USA than she would was when the selection
process was going on. I think she wanted to be
on tm USA when the selection process is going on.
But she talked at this All Star Game about how
exhausted she is. She's played a year straight of basketball
the calendar, going from college to pros.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
To the women because the WNBA season, you don't get
to layoff after college.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yeh.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Her last basketball game for IOWA was in April, and
the draft is April thirteenth and they get into training
camp two weeks later. So she's very tired from all
of that basketball and frankly also from carrying the leagues
that she's been in. She's had the most attention on
her and I think it's affected her shot.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Her shot didn't go in this All Start bit.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
She's been a little bit, you know, tough from three
point line for a while, and I think it's exhaustion.
And she just said, I'm looking forward to taking a
month off. I'll see you at the end of it.
I think we're going to see a rejuvenated Caitlyn Clark
for this final run of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So they're not quite sure the Paris Olympics how popular
there'll be. They got stuff next to the Eiffel Tower,
so optics are unbelievable. But I think we're getting a
dominant gold from the women and a more a battle
tested gold from the man. That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
What a bigger question is, are you interested in watching
the women's team that doesn't have Kaitlin Bor?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Not as much. No, I would watch with Kaitlin, you know.
But in fairness, I've said this a hundred times over
the course of last twenty years. I about fifteen years ago,
pivoted to World Cup over the Olympics. You know, the
Olympics used to be when I was younger, you didn't
get sports for three weeks straight every day on TV, right,
(31:20):
Like every game wasn't right televised, so like it was
just rare. The World Cup twenty five years ago wasn't
as big here. The Olympics were gigantic. I watched soccer
beyond the Olympics. I don't watch lose or track and
field beyond the Olympics, so I don't care as much
about the Olympics. I think the Winter Olympics because I
(31:40):
ski I think they're fun. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I like volleyball.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
This summer Olympics is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Chase Puttinger, former NBA player.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I got some buddies out in South Bay who played
with him, and obviously he's a superstar athlete.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I'm very excited to watch volleyball at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That'll be great. Yeah, I'll watch. Some of my kids
are there. They got some tickets and so.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
You know, your dad to get the hook up.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, dad didn't do the hookup. No. I gave them
a little cash for it, but they bought their own tickets.
They want to go to it. Well I did, Hey,
not spoiling any kids over here.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
They work hard for the money.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
That's a song right in the eighties or seventies.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
If it was in the seventies or eighties, I was
humming it at some point in my life. Okay. Matt
Schneidman stopped by from packer camp. Rachel Nichols stopped by
as well on a Monday. Huh, we're going to have
quite a presidential race here.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Should we not comment on that?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Very well? You have takes, Oh, I got takes. I
got takes for Miles on that thing. Maybe i'll unveil
them tomorrow
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