July 22, 2024 • 42 mins
Colin reacts to Jordan Love informing the Packers he will not be practicing until he signs a new contract and why this makes sense for both sides
Caitlin Clark showed us again over the weekend why she should've been on the US Women's team
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Monday. NFL season getting close, college football
season getting close, Olympics getting very close, live in Los Angeles.
It's the hurt wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamak.
There was a lot going on from the British Open
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WNBA facing the Olympic team, our men's basketball team, not
yours personally, but the Lebron team. There's a lot going on.
But this morning there is a story from an NFL
camp which looks very juicy and I've got to cut
right to the chase.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay. So Jordan Love, green Bay Packer quarterback, told the
team Saturday, I'm not practicing. I'm on a new contract. Now.
This isn't Brandon Aiyuk in the Niners. Green Bay wants
to get it done. Jordan Love wants to get it done.
But sometimes employees, yes, have to play hardball with the employers.
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And I'm gonna side with Jordan Love here. First of all,
he signed a very team friendly deal before last season,
and he should have. He wasn't proven, and he blew
through it. He was fantastic and you could say, well,
I mean, he still has a year left, so Jordan
Love didn't just eclipse the contract. Through weeks ten through eighteen,
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eight NFL weeks with the youngest offense in the league
in the better and it has been in years INNFC,
he had the most passing yards and the most total touchdowns.
He was better than Alan Lamar, Mahomes, Stafford, he was
better than everybody in the league. And that's with a
bunch of kids. He didn't have a dominant number one receiver.
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Even the offensive line is young. Young team went to
Dallas blew out the Cowboys. And there's something else here
is that there is also a responsibility by an organization
to make evaluations of a player beyond just games. You
and I watch games. We can tell who can plan
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who can't. But he was in the building three years
before last year. You can make judgments on his maturity,
his leadership, his judgment. Not only had he started eighteen games,
he'd played in twenty seven and had over four hundred practices.
He's twenty five years old. Twenty five yearsyears old is
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different than twenty one or twenty two years old. Twenty one,
twenty two years old, you're saying stuff to get you
in trouble. You're drinking more than you should, not necessarily
a grown up by twenty five years old, you screw up.
It's up to you now. And NFL front offices, their
responsibility is not just watching games. We can all do that.
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The best NFL scouts, they're going to practices. They're on
the phone sometimes with investigators to dig deep on players,
what's going on at home, what's going on on campus.
The Packers have had years and years of watching Jordan
Love's maturity, his judgment, his talent at practice, preseason games,
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starting backing up. It's time to pay him again. I
would love to see more of Jordan Love, but I
don't have the video of the practices. I don't bump
into him at the lunch line at the Packer facility.
I don't know if he gets along with others. My
guess is he does. But the advantage to having any
employee in the building for three or four years before
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you have to pay the big money is now it's
on you, it's not on them. If he's been as
good at practice in the last year as he's been
in games, it's on you. And remember, he did all this.
I would love to see more. But this isn't a
kid who started ten games in college, like Anthony Richardson
at Florida started ten thirteen games. Something like that goes
to Indianapolis gets hurt. I still don't know what Anthony
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Richardson is. He's dynamic, he's talented. I don't know what
he is. I'm not sure the Colts know what he is.
So he's been in the building for a year. Jordan
Love has been here almost a half decade. Practice is
game starting exhibition. So to me, that advantage green Bay
knows quarterbacks. I think they'll pay him. I think they should,
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and I think to this point he looks like he
can crack into the top eight to ten quarterbacks in
the league very quickly. All right, go lot of good
stuff today. Stephen Jones of the Cowboys after the break
has some interesting thoughts on the NFL going to eighteen games.
So from the very beginning, women's basketball, from Olympics to
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the WNBA has been sort of sending a message to
casuals like me and you. Caitlyn Clark is not quite ready.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. And the more i
watch Caitlyn Clark, the more I'm convinced women's basketball isn't ready.
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Kaitlyn Clark's more than ready. She helped her WNBA All
Star team beat the USA Women's Olympic team this weekend.
She was the best playmaker, she had ten assists, best playmaker.
One of her teammates scored thirty four, and Caitlyn just
kept feeding her the ball and the most assists in
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the win. Double digit assists and seven of her last
eight games. Despite the WNBA butchering her early schedule, snubbing
her for the Olympics, they put her on the WNBA
All Star Team. Indiana now is a real potential playoff team.
And what do you know, she led everybody and assists
as they beat the Olympic team. Clearly, she stretches the floor,
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she's great with spacing, and she's also in my opinion,
a perfect Olympic or All Star player, especially Olympics All
Star games are a little bit of showing off. But
the Olympics, if you're not the second third best player
on the team, and she wouldn't be yet, you need
to be a facilitator, not a ballhog. I would argue
with Caitlin Clark, she passes too much now. In the
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All Star Game this weekend, her shooting was off, but
her playmaking wasn't. And so the Olympic Women's Olympic team said,
you know, if we put her on the team, there
is no question she's going to be a distraction. Well
you know, it's a distraction her not on the team.
That's what everybody's talking about. So here's the thing is
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that I've learned with women's basketball as a whole, they're
very much like men's soccer in America. They're a little petty,
they've been ignored to a larger degree than other sports,
and they've got a chip on their shoulder and they're
sort of a prove you belong for United States men's
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national team. The soccer fans, it's like you have to
have a pass code to even talk about the sport. Online,
and for women's basketball, it's this constant prove you belong.
Caitlin Clark belongs on the Olympic team, she belongs on
the All Star team, she belongs in the skills competition.
And here's the thing, women's basketball. You can't use the
excuse that she caught you off guard, because a lot
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of times overnight sensations do catch businesses off guard. But Ticketmaster,
you knew Taylor Swift was a massive hit eight years earlier,
be prepared, and two years before she entered the WNB,
Caitlyn Clark for Little Iowa was setting college basketball records.
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She came back for her final year. You knew two
years in advance, Oh, we got a star. One year
in advance, she'll be the number one pick. That was
no excuse, Butcher in her early schedule, there's no excuse
not having months and months of discussions on the Olympic team.
She's clearly one of the better offensive long range performers
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in the league. I'd argue she's first or second best playmaker.
Leads the WNBA and assists seven of her last eight
games double digit assists. And this is for a team
that doesn't have a lot of finishers the Indiana Fever,
so she always says the right stuff at the podium.
She's gonna downplay this win by her All Star team
over the coveted Olympic team. She's not good enough to
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be on so far. She's more than prepared and capable.
It's women's basketball that's not quite ready for Caitlyn Clark.
She is.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I mean, they're really good. They have plenty of talent
on that team. I'm like, I mean it was the
same I think four years prior. I'm pretty sure the
team WNBA beat Team USA. They were perfectly fine in
the Olympics. I think for myself from my standpoint is like,
you know, this is a great opportunity to, you know,
help prepare them for Paris, and you know I'm going
to be supporting them and cheering them on, like I
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love the Olympics. I've loved the Olympics ever since I
was a young kid. And they were going to be
just spine. They're they're going to win Golden dominate. So
I'm not I'm not worried.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
She continues to always say the right things at the
right time, and I'm gonna stay on this Olympic snub
to the very end, despite the fact they'll win gold.
So Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Fifty minutes from now, Aaron
Rodgers already down playing get defensive about missing OTA's j Mac.
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I'm sure you saw that on your timeline. I'm sure
that popped up.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I was not really on social media this weekend
outside of that small.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Politicals story hours ago.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I didn't really.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I was.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know, my son had a chess tournament. I played
a lot of hoops, got to hang out with the family.
Like I didn't spend a lot of time online.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I did not either. Yeah, I was. I had a
family gathering out east with lobster and lobster pants, and
it was a bit of a blur. That's a long
way to fly there and back for a couple of days,
but it was a fantastic played a good round of
golf yesterday in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Excuse me, you played golf?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh? I played, Yes, I played golf in the summer.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Your handicap, well me. But I would say this, for
the first time in my life, I am committing to clubs,
really committing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
So golf clubs are clubbing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The former, not the latter.
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Welcome Back on a Monday, Colin Right, Colin wrong. Forty
minutes from now. So Stephen Jones, Jerry joneson Helps Run
the Cowboys, was on the Scoop City podcast and he's
talking about something that we've discussed for about six months
to a year. The NFL used to play fourteen games,
then they went to sixteen games, then they added a game.
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They're going to go to eighteen games. That'll probably be
the cap on it. Over the course of forty six
years they went from fourteen to seventeen. Everybody was fine,
the league got better, the quality got better. So they're
going to move to eight teen games. And Steven Jones says,
it's pretty much inevitable.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I'm on the competition committee. We've talked about this know
one that it's probably inevitable. The players, you know, enjoy
the compensation that's coming their way, and they get, for
the most part, half of every revenue dollar that comes
through the door. Oh, we all know when we go
to eighteen games, the revenue's gonna jump and certainly should
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only help in terms of the money available to pay players,
and you know, get players the compensation.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So players adjust. I watched the political landscape this weekend.
I watch everybody freak out and make claims. People adjust.
A few years ago, in a more sensitive, wokier world,
there were these cries that Thursday night football was so
terrible for the players, it was outrageous. If you watch
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the Netflix series called Receivers. San Francisco's George Kittle says
players love Thursday night games because they get the weekend
off to actually hang with their families during the NFL season.
Players adjust. The league is safer. The concussion protocols have
been tightened, the NFL's eliminating kickoffs, the most dangerous play.
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There's less practice time, there's less hitting. The medical staffs
are light years better than twenty five years ago. And
the rules, frankly, just make it safer. There's less hitting.
If you go to Super Bowls. The Super Bowl last year,
San Francisco was missing one starter due to injury, a
safety and then a linebacker got hurt during the game,
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but it was non contact. He just hurt himself running
on the field, and I'm not sure Kansas City was
missing any starters. The league is safer, nobody wants to
admit it. And players now make so much money that
a single game check for a Christian McCaffrey and Mahomes,
a Lamar, a Josh Allen, a star receiver, a star
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edge rusher can be over a million dollars for forty
eight snaps. Yeah, players adjust, they'll take the money. Even
in college football, it used to be played like eleven
games total. Now it feels like with the playoff they'll
be thirteen fourteen games and and iald are getting paid. Also,
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I don't see a lot of college football players amazing
careers in jeopardy or end due to an injury. Guys
who were great going into their final college season. You
generally get drafted very high. So in negotiations, you know
this if you've ever been in one. Owners have things
they care about. Players have things they care about. Actually,
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players in the NFL with a last CBA, they wanted
less practice time, fewer padded practices. They went from twenty
eight players went down to sixteen. Now, I think it's
hurt offensive line play, but it probably hasn't hurt as
many players. So that was a big deal for players.
Some players grumble about the franchise tag, but they've accepted
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it because the players who sign those usually get paid
a lot of money. So you know, in forty six years,
the league made a couple of changes from fourteen to seventeen,
and all we see is this insatiable want and need
for more football. And it'd be one thing if the
employees weren't happy with it. But my guess is the
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players now with the gambling money being injected, and that's
only getting bigger into the NFL, the TV revenue, the
new CBA's going forward. NFL players today get paid like
NBA players did ten years ago. The NBA players, because
of shoe deals and because it's a more star driven sport,
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have always made really really huge money. But NFL guys
now they do too, and there are some shoe deals
with NFL guys. They're all over commercials. Look at Travis Kelcey.
It's on like six national commercials. He's a tight end
in the middle of the country, not a coastal, elite city.
So my take is, take a deep breath. Players and
employees always adjust. J Mack with the news, turn on
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the news.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Start with the Baltimore Ravens. Colin.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They had their first team practice of training camp Sunday.
Lamar Jackson was not there. He was sent home with
an illness. And you know, last time we talked to
the Ravens, they were getting their doors blown off at
home by the Chiefs. Maybe that's strong, but they were
favored and they did not show up at any rate.
The media is asking John Harbaugh about criticism directed at
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Lamar who's got two MVPs but struggled to the playoffs,
about Lamar not reaching the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Here's Harbaugh's response.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
There's a lot of great things said about Lamar, but
there's a lot of stuff that said to you gotta
just scratch your head.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
About and kind of wonder, what's that person even thinking?
You know so, But we take it personally. He's got
a growth mindset. He's gonna get better and better, no doubt.
But what does he have to do to prove himself
to some people?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
And the vision that we have together is that Lamar
Jackson is going to become and be known and be
recognized as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know it's interesting. I'm gonna give you four players
outside of these four quarterbacks, Brady Mahomes, Joe Montana, and
Eli Manning. Now just listen. Super Bowls are in. Playoffs
are really hard. When Eli made him, he was great. Brady, Montana,
Mahomes and Eli. Take those four out. Peyton Manning got
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his doors blown off in the Super Bowl. Peyton Manny
struggled for years early playoff games. John Elway got his
doors blown out in the playoffs and super Bowls. If
you take out four quarterbacks Brady Montana, Mahomes, and strangely,
Eli Manning, who when they made the playoffs went on
these crazy runs. They're hard for Aaron Rodgers. They were
hard for Brett Favre. They were hard for Elway. They're
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hard for everybody. They're hard for Josh Allen. Playoffs are hard.
The coaching's better, I mean, the weather's crappy. So there's
weird stuff that happened. I mean, Brady one time got
his hand written before a game and somehow miraculously overcame it.
But my takeaway and Lamar, is if you are special,
win seventy six percent of your games. Every quarter back
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except those four it maybe Bart Starr didn't see him play. Obviously,
everybody struggles in the playoffs. Even Mahomes got his doors
blown off in a Super Bowl when he didn't have
his tackles.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Everybody does struggle in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's hard, obviously, and the sample size is time time,
sixty minutes. You have a bad game, gets over that
being said Colin, one of these years he's got to.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Break through, Right, it's this year.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Definitely not this year. You want to go ahead and
take the Ravens for the Super Bowl. But like listen,
we could defend him all we want. Sure, like Peyton
Manning struggled. I think it was his first five years. Yeah,
he had no playoff wins.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, you know, but we're in an Alice social media.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Era where it's like, hey, deliver or you're gonna get ripped.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah. I mean, we consider Jalen Hurts to be a
really good quarterback, and if you take out one great
year with Shane Steichen, we're not quite sure what he is.
Dak Prescott has had almost no success how many years
he been playing in the postseason at all. So the
quarterbacks we like struggled in the playoffs Josh Allens, as
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talented as anybody I've ever seen. It's very rare when
you're Bradshaw and you get the Hall of Fame coach,
the Hall of Fame offensive line, stalwarth great defense. That
you can't build that anymore. So what you can't you
can't build a team as good as Bradshaw Steelers. So
what you hope is that you get the GM and
the coach like Mahomes or Brady when Brady early had
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Scott Bioli Belichick good ownership because even those new England
teams had holes all over the offense. In Kansas City
been on a receiving corps the last two years. So
my take is salary cap has eliminated the seventy five Steelers.
That stuff doesn't exist. What it creates to and some
of those Bill Walshneiner teams. What it creates is teams
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with flaws and limitations. You cross your fingers fingers on
injury attrition. But for the last twenty years, two quarterbacks
in the world, Brady and Mahomes, have not strong in
the playoffs. I don't do that's it.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Kyle Shanahan got to a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo
and Brock Perty lost both. Oh so now it is
they lost the Supers, so getting there is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Lamar?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Okay, what is Lamar?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Then? Can't get to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
If you're gonna call Perty and Garoppolo losers, what's Lamar?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Hey, enjoy the MVPs.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You haven't won those bowl Those are something. If you
take out the MVPs, what's Aaron Rodgers career won Super Bowl?
I mean, MVPs matter somewhere. I mean, we can't give
Aaron Rodgers credit for his MVP. That's all I ever hear.
Look at all these MVP Well, Lamar's got MVP, youngest
got to ever have two MVP. So MVPs do matter
in the construct.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Again, Aaron's been playing longer. They've had some fluky nonsense
happened to them in the playoffs. That's Seattle game.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh stop it, come on the Seattle game with the
on side kick. In the playoffs, Rogers has been a
little unlucky. I don't know, I'm still waiting. It's been
six months. What the hell happened to Lamar in the
Ravens against the Chiefs and don't.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Say Patrick Mahomes because they couldn't move the football. Colin,
tell me what happened?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Oh see game planned?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Oh it's the OC. Oh okay, here we go. Always
blamed someone else. Lamar free pass. That's that's he's a
clean living.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
If you're Lamar, Texas, never your fault. Let's move on
to the Dallas Cowboys. They opened camp this week and
the Athletic recently released the results of a fan survey
pulling Dallas fans on a number of topics. One of
them was who's the most overrated player on the team.
Dak Prescott runaway winner, two hundred and fifty one of
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the votes, one hundred more than the next highest player,
Micah Parsons, speaking of no show in the playoffs, Michael Parsons,
go look up his stats.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
So, Dak most overrated player?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Your thoughts? No, he is. He's also good, but overrated
and good two things can be true. He's a good player,
but sixty million a year, which he's going to get
all these people on the internet. Top five quarterback, No
he's not. He doesn't throw it to top ten at
the very end, maybe, and that's not a hot take.
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He doesn't throw an elite ball He's not elite. He's
not an elite in terms of mobility like a Lamar
or a Jordan Love or a Josh Allen. So he's
not an elite mover. He moves, okay, he doesn't move
any better than Tony Romo, and Tony Romo didn't get
credit for being an elite run around guy. They both
run the same, They're both fine. He's not an elite
thrower of the football. He's not in the same class
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as Mahomes Alan Herbert Burrow. So what's the elite at leadership? Toughness?
He's great at that stuff. I love him. He's very
Kirk Cousins. I love him and all the stuff. But
moving and throwing this okay.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I forgot who was the runner up to the MVP
Award last year in the entire NFL.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Let me guess, a cowboy quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
It happens all the Yeah, Tony Romo. How many MVP
runner ups?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Coward?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This is a plucky start to the show, if you
will for me, just the denigration of Dak Prescoty. He's
our top five, bottom of the top ten runner up.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think if you were whole general managers, they'd have
him somewhere in the eight, nine, ten to eleven range.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I think that's what GM and listen, And I'm not
going to defend Dak in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
For the record, That's why I have him all having
closer to ten eleven. So I'm having closer to eight.
But at the end of this season, when Herbert finally
gets a coach, okay, Herbert's going to elevate beyond what
a lot of people And if Jalen Hurtz has kind
of another solid year, he does more things well than Dak.
So this will be a very interesting year for Dak
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because as we know, he's got one receiver of note one.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well, wait a minute, I don't even think this is
a fair year to grade or judge Dak Well. Coach
is basically lame duck right doesn't have an extension. Ceedee
Lamb is the only receiver, and he's he's angry. Michael
Parsons is complaining a new defensive coordinator, no running.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Back room, like they have stacked the deck against deck
this year.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, it's what they've done. You could say it's sinister,
but what they've done in a contract year is make
the team very Dak reliant. There was a story today
that they want to get the CD deal done first,
which I certainly think that's not That's a reasonable take
is get your star receiver. Everybody needs one. You drafted him,
you hit on him. But what the Cowboys are doing
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is they're saying, Dak, if we're gonna pay us sixty,
we just watched Mahomes win a super Bowl with no
number one or two wide receiver. We just watched them
the year before win a super Bowl. Would Juju's ms
Schuster as his number one received?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You say, hey, Dak, go be Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
No, if you want to be paid like Pat, then
we're not stacking the deck for you. Because Dallas feels
deep down and they may be right. We kind of
stacked the early deck. Best O line, Zeke, Amari Cooper,
offensive coaches. Yeah, and you didn't deliver in January. So
this year and by way, every year is fair to
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judge Dak. He's in his ninth season. Now we all
know what he is. So I do think Dallas is
saying inside the building privately, we stacked the deck early
and we didn't get any January February moments. Now, Bro,
this is on you, And if you want to get
Mahomes money, you gotta win multiple playoff games in the
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weaker conference.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Hey, Jerry Dak Prescott here, I don't want Patrick mahomes money.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I want what the market says.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm worse.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't want Patrick Mahomes's money. Give me what the
market says, Quarterbacks, what the going ring is.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I'm When you throw fourteen interceptions this year
and we finished with nine wins, the market says, eh,
closer to it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm talking about now. I want my money just like
Jordan Long. Jordan Love wants it now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
No, it's not the same. Jordan Love has shown it
innate unique athletic skills that Dak doesn't possess. Moves much better,
got a better arm, and went into Dallas with the
youngest team in the league and destroyed deck. That was
not just an eye test. That was a oh Jordan
Loves much more talent and there's a reason he went
in the first round. Deack in the fourth and green
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Bay doesn't stack the deck. They pay the good players,
but green Bay spends the least amount of money in
the league on offense. Right now, they're not stacking the deck.
Jordan Love led the league in everything for eight weeks
playing with the youngest team in the league. That's a
whole different ballgame. Then well Dak gets MVP votes.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Oh, game sample size versus a full season.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
How long do you have to watch American Idol? How
long do you have to watch a singer to go
awful or really good? Taylor talent jumps off the TV.
We knew Joe Burrow, Herbert Mahomes, Lamar. You know year
one if they can play, and then you know by
middle of year two if they're going to be a star.
It doesn't take that long to see talent. It really doesn't.
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Once a guy gets to the it's hard to it's
hard to judge college to pro or high school to college.
It's not hard to judge. Once the guys in the NFL,
he can play or he can't play. Kevin Garnett came
out of high school. Second year in the league. You're like, oh,
wemby four games in the summer league. Oh, it doesn't
take that much time to go. Dude, can ball.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So Jordan Love does deserve that big big money.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, he've been No, Mahomes can get whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm sorry, Dak does not deserve it, but Jordan loved it. Yeah,
how I view it was early? You cook it up
some takes on that flight.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Whoa. The final story is team USA.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I don't know if you saw this during your Lobster
bisc hangout, but uh, Lebron saved the USA. Yes, pretty
damn good game against South su Dan, which has some
They got some guys.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh no, they have some, dude, No, I watched this game.
They got dudes.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
US was down sixteen and then Lebron leads an incredible comeback, interestingly,
twenty three to five run in the second half. Steph
Curry got hot, and then Lebron scored the game winner
with eight seconds left. Lebron twenty five, six and seven,
Anthony Davis fifteen and eleven. So it was the Lebron
and Ad show.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
No question. Yeah. Hey, by the way, what do you
think Lebron? You know, people say Lebron's got quite an ego.
Ye're twenty two, thirty nine years old, and he knows
he's the best player consistently on this team. Not Jason Tatum,
not Booker, not An Edwards. Lebron James knows in that game.
You and I watched it. Lebron's why they won. Lebron James,
(28:24):
you're twenty two. So all the people that think you
have an ego, go watch the internet for five minutes.
Losers think they're something. I mean, just right with losers.
Lebron's been top of the world, the planet in basketball,
still our most dependable player on the Olympic team today.
You're twenty two.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Thirty nine years old.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You don't think he's got a little self confidence. I'm
watching that game. He is the not only is he
the glue guy, he makes everything work. He had to
do all the scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Hey, he's not gonna let him lose.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And also, we got to be fair here. I was
very critical. I think you were two of Anthony Davis
two years ago. Couldn't stay healthy. The dude's been a
monster three on this team. He has been and when
you watch him, he has been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Now I do need to ask.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I wasn't here for the take, but you had said
this team is way better than the drink.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think no.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I said it's deeper because it's positionless. Everybody can outside
of like Anthony Davis, everybody can handle the ball. Everybody
can shoot a three. I mean, when you're bringing like
a Tatum and an ad off the bench, that ain't
Christian Latner, that's you know, that's that's a different level.
It's the deepest team. It's the most diverse, most dexterity
I've ever seen an Olympic team. But is there starting
(29:38):
five as great? Maybe not?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Well, again, I'm not trying to pin you down here.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I do wonder though, exhibition game South Sudan, Yes, US
favor by forty. By the way, don't bet on exhibition
Olympic basketball.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
People don't, uh, and then the US barely wins. So
does this say they're not great?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Not like historically, it doesn't say that they're not great.
What is it say? But here's my take on a
lot of this stuff is that there was a different
feel from American players when you went through high school
and were hard coached, and you went through college and
stayed for three years and you were hard coached, and
(30:20):
then you went into the NBA and were hard coached.
Players now don't play high school basketball. It's AAU basketball,
which is just a million games, and nobody's coaching your
hard one year max of college where the coach has
to basically suck up to you, so you'll go to
his Kentucky or go to a Syracuse into the NBA
where you finally get some hard coaching if you fall
(30:42):
to the right place like Golden State, Miami, San Antonio,
maybe Minnesota or New York. And so what I see
with our players is more dexterity, more talent, more skills,
little less hunger. There's a reason that NIXT team Nova guys,
they've got an old school field. They play their arsof
(31:05):
is that when I watch a lot of our domestic
players they're really talented. I don't think they quite I
think are old school guys, and I classify ad a
little old school Lebron Steph Curry. I don't know. When
I watch our young basketball players, I don't see kind
of that MJ. Kobe, Lebron Steph urgency fight. I don't
(31:31):
see more skilled, absolutely more skills than ever. But they're
When I watch our Olympic team, I think this team
has a lot of old school guys and then a
lot of new school, collaborative kumbaya guys, and it's a
weird chemistry.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
For the missing grit.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I just don't think most young people today because you
know their parents had a better life. I don't think
there's a ton of grit with a lot of young people.
I think there's more talent than ever everywhere in sports
and nonsports. I think there's more intelligence, more tech, more
brain power, more skills. But when I watch this team,
I see these old school guys like you. I watched
(32:09):
that Sala Sudan game. Lebron was like, yo, guys, rally
the true all take over. If I was a young guy,
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, this is our
this is our team, and it's not. Lebron just takes
the ball, controls the offense, controls to even Steve Kerr said,
he's just different. He's got Lebron for as progressive as
everybody thinks he is, he's got a lot of old
(32:31):
school basketball respect the way he respects the game.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That's a good point that a small thing. Drew Holliday
so good for the Celtics just want another title. He's
supposed to be the lockdown defender, the guy who won
the g League MVP dominated him in that game on Saturday.
He could Drew Holliday could not stop Carlic Jones, who
was a G League MVP and ad a triple bubble,
and it's like, what's going on here? And I think
(32:55):
that's to your point, Like G League MVP's out here
trying to prove something. I haven't won anything, I have
no rings, I'm not all NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I've got to go against these guys. That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Time example, look at Phoenix before Chris Paul, they had
Devin Booker. They were awful. Chris Paul comes in, old school,
tough guy immediately NBA Final contender, right, they had to
bring in old school guys around Booker. By the way,
Jason Tatum for years and years they had to bring
(33:25):
in old school Drew Holiday poor zingis. So it's like
young guys are more talented, but I kind of feel
like sometimes they just don't have sort of that old
school mentality. And Tatum's a great example of it. Booker
is another great example.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Do you think social media has hurt because every time
you open your phone, if you're Jason Tatum, everybody on
the two million followers five million, everybody loves you. You're great,
You're the goat, all this stuff that's every day. Anthony Edward,
You're the next Jordan, like, at what point are you
just going to be grinding away to get there? Well,
when you're being told again, I.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Love the NBA now and then. I think it's better
today by far in terms of overall skill. But back
then Jordan was fighting for a tiny piece of the pie.
Now everybody gets a whole pie. It's different you make
you know, pre Magic and Burden, nobody's making shoe money.
Now you've got maybe doctor j everybody's got revenue from social,
(34:21):
revenue from shoes, massive revenue from the league. So I
just think Warren Buffett always talks about every generation will
have it better than the previous generation because of all
the apps we have. Now, I don't have to go
out and eat I can do door dash my life.
You know, I work hard, you work hard, but by
and large most people apps tech makes our life much easier.
(34:43):
I don't have to go to a I don't even
have to go to a travel agent. I can book
ten flights in twenty minutes. Like things are easier. So
I don't think as a society we have as much.
And I'm looking at myself. You know, I had more
grit in my twenties than now. Life's gotten easier. Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (36:57):
So remember when Aaron Rodgers missed OTAs big controversy we
had said on the air. I was told I didn't
I wouldn't put it out there, but I was told
he was in Egypt. He later came out and acknowledged
he was in Egypt. I couldn't get a second source.
I had a one source on it, but that's where
I was told he was at. Eventually he was there
and so and his coach called it an unexcused absence. Well,
(37:20):
he went on a podcast Pardon my take, recently, and
he said about missing that. He said, quote, they can
arbitrarily put a tag on whatever week of OTA's they want,
and they can call it mini camp week, and that
makes it, said Aaron, somehow like more mandatory than the
other weeks. But Aaron said it was an OTA schedule.
That's how words can be a little deceiving time to time.
(37:43):
They can make a story out of the fact I
missed mini camp, but it was really two OTA days
I missed, but I came to the first ten. Okay,
this sort of feels like immunized versus vaccinated Round two
with Aaron, it's all semantics, be honest instead of to
be defensive. Just own it. All your teammates were there
and you, the star quarterback, were not. Again, the coach
(38:08):
called it an inexcused absence, immunized, vaccinated, whatever, broh. Here's
the thing. The Jets have had great players for a
long time, forever, I mean right now. PFF says they're
offensive lines top five. I disagree, but that's what PFF says.
I do think they have top four or five defensive
person Now. The Jets have never been a talent issue.
(38:32):
I've always been a leadership issue. They can't get the
right GM. The owners are impulsive, the quarterbacks have been
hit and miss, mostly miss. So it's a leadership thing.
And your teammates were there and you weren't. And again,
you're not a slot receiver, a third corner, a special
teams gunner. You're the face of the franchise. I sort
(38:53):
of look at Aaron as this point, at this point
in his career for me, as really good content. He's interesting.
I think some time he wants to really win these menial,
trivial media battles. That's a big thing to him. Whereas
when the Harrison Butker story broke for the Chiefs, Mahomes
had sort of a vanilla middle of the road comment
and let everybody else get the glare, you know, the
(39:17):
Josh Allen's, the Lamars. They don't want any of this stuff.
Aaron kind of seems to lean into it, you know,
he's into sort of winning these media scrums and menial battles.
But and I think sometimes Aaron likes to be discussed,
and he's interesting and he's good content, and I think
he's bright and has a lot of opinions. But I
(39:39):
always feel like, you ever play Madden, and you can
do the rookie level or the you know, go all
in on the Madden level, which is much harder. Aaron
sort of chooses the latter. He goes he goes Madden
instead of the all rookie level, and it's just a
little more disruptive, it's a little more difficult, it's a
little harder, and all these things with a New York
(39:59):
media game inflamed and get talked about and teammates have
to answer to him. I think the Jets' talent is
really not the issue. I think their talent's fine, although
I think they're pretty dependent on Breece Hall not getting injured. Therefore,
you've got a new offensive line and a running game
without Breece Hall that's not dynamic. More pressure on forty
(40:19):
year old Aaron that's not good. But they've got more
talent than the last couple of years at wide receiver.
They've drafted very well on the defensive side. If Aaron's
upright for seventeen weeks, I think they can win nine games.
You guys think ten to eleven, twelve. I think, you know,
closer to nine to eight. But be that as it may.
This just feels like, you know, kind of the Aaron
(40:43):
trying to win one of these little battles and your
teammates were there and you weren't, and that's it. It
doesn't I'm fine with it. I don't think it's the
end of the world, but I would rather have my
guy own it. I will say this, old quarterbacks. You know,
Brady was literally doing illegal practice as a Jets went
high school. You know, older quarterbacks, I don't want to
(41:05):
get hit, they don't necessarily want to practice as much.
And I get all of that. I do think the
Jets is a very unique situation because of the constant
impulsive nature of the ownership, because they're the Jets, because
it's New York. I think you should be there, But
I don't think it'll have an adverse effect once the
real season starts. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong top of Next
(41:26):
Hour already video out Jmack of Xavier Worthy, the rookie
receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs, three words, latting it
up at AFC's cooking baby. He had some very impressive
on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I know Worthy's a big TikTok guy.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Is he a big TikTok? Him and his girlfriend? Whatever.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I'm just so over the Chiefs. I cannot wait for
the downfall. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
You waited twenty years for the New England downfall? How
that work out? For a minute, hour two on the
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It is a Monday. NFL season getting close, college football
season getting close, Olympics getting very close, live in Los Angeles.
It's the hurt wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamak.
There was a lot going on from the British Open
(00:47):
WNBA facing the Olympic team, our men's basketball team, not
yours personally, but the Lebron team. There's a lot going on.
But this morning there is a story from an NFL
camp which looks very juicy and I've got to cut
right to the chase.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay. So Jordan Love, green Bay Packer quarterback, told the
team Saturday, I'm not practicing. I'm on a new contract. Now.
This isn't Brandon Aiyuk in the Niners. Green Bay wants
to get it done. Jordan Love wants to get it done.
But sometimes employees, yes, have to play hardball with the employers.
(01:30):
And I'm gonna side with Jordan Love here. First of all,
he signed a very team friendly deal before last season,
and he should have. He wasn't proven, and he blew
through it. He was fantastic and you could say, well,
I mean, he still has a year left, so Jordan
Love didn't just eclipse the contract. Through weeks ten through eighteen,
(01:53):
eight NFL weeks with the youngest offense in the league
in the better and it has been in years INNFC,
he had the most passing yards and the most total touchdowns.
He was better than Alan Lamar, Mahomes, Stafford, he was
better than everybody in the league. And that's with a
bunch of kids. He didn't have a dominant number one receiver.
(02:15):
Even the offensive line is young. Young team went to
Dallas blew out the Cowboys. And there's something else here
is that there is also a responsibility by an organization
to make evaluations of a player beyond just games. You
and I watch games. We can tell who can plan
(02:37):
who can't. But he was in the building three years
before last year. You can make judgments on his maturity,
his leadership, his judgment. Not only had he started eighteen games,
he'd played in twenty seven and had over four hundred practices.
He's twenty five years old. Twenty five yearsyears old is
(03:00):
different than twenty one or twenty two years old. Twenty one,
twenty two years old, you're saying stuff to get you
in trouble. You're drinking more than you should, not necessarily
a grown up by twenty five years old, you screw up.
It's up to you now. And NFL front offices, their
responsibility is not just watching games. We can all do that.
(03:23):
The best NFL scouts, they're going to practices. They're on
the phone sometimes with investigators to dig deep on players,
what's going on at home, what's going on on campus.
The Packers have had years and years of watching Jordan
Love's maturity, his judgment, his talent at practice, preseason games,
(03:43):
starting backing up. It's time to pay him again. I
would love to see more of Jordan Love, but I
don't have the video of the practices. I don't bump
into him at the lunch line at the Packer facility.
I don't know if he gets along with others. My
guess is he does. But the advantage to having any
employee in the building for three or four years before
(04:07):
you have to pay the big money is now it's
on you, it's not on them. If he's been as
good at practice in the last year as he's been
in games, it's on you. And remember, he did all this.
I would love to see more. But this isn't a
kid who started ten games in college, like Anthony Richardson
at Florida started ten thirteen games. Something like that goes
to Indianapolis gets hurt. I still don't know what Anthony
(04:29):
Richardson is. He's dynamic, he's talented. I don't know what
he is. I'm not sure the Colts know what he is.
So he's been in the building for a year. Jordan
Love has been here almost a half decade. Practice is
game starting exhibition. So to me, that advantage green Bay
knows quarterbacks. I think they'll pay him. I think they should,
(04:51):
and I think to this point he looks like he
can crack into the top eight to ten quarterbacks in
the league very quickly. All right, go lot of good
stuff today. Stephen Jones of the Cowboys after the break
has some interesting thoughts on the NFL going to eighteen games.
So from the very beginning, women's basketball, from Olympics to
(05:12):
the WNBA has been sort of sending a message to
casuals like me and you. Caitlyn Clark is not quite ready.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. And the more i
watch Caitlyn Clark, the more I'm convinced women's basketball isn't ready.
(05:33):
Kaitlyn Clark's more than ready. She helped her WNBA All
Star team beat the USA Women's Olympic team this weekend.
She was the best playmaker, she had ten assists, best playmaker.
One of her teammates scored thirty four, and Caitlyn just
kept feeding her the ball and the most assists in
(05:57):
the win. Double digit assists and seven of her last
eight games. Despite the WNBA butchering her early schedule, snubbing
her for the Olympics, they put her on the WNBA
All Star Team. Indiana now is a real potential playoff team.
And what do you know, she led everybody and assists
as they beat the Olympic team. Clearly, she stretches the floor,
(06:18):
she's great with spacing, and she's also in my opinion,
a perfect Olympic or All Star player, especially Olympics All
Star games are a little bit of showing off. But
the Olympics, if you're not the second third best player
on the team, and she wouldn't be yet, you need
to be a facilitator, not a ballhog. I would argue
with Caitlin Clark, she passes too much now. In the
(06:40):
All Star Game this weekend, her shooting was off, but
her playmaking wasn't. And so the Olympic Women's Olympic team said,
you know, if we put her on the team, there
is no question she's going to be a distraction. Well
you know, it's a distraction her not on the team.
That's what everybody's talking about. So here's the thing is
(07:01):
that I've learned with women's basketball as a whole, they're
very much like men's soccer in America. They're a little petty,
they've been ignored to a larger degree than other sports,
and they've got a chip on their shoulder and they're
sort of a prove you belong for United States men's
(07:23):
national team. The soccer fans, it's like you have to
have a pass code to even talk about the sport. Online,
and for women's basketball, it's this constant prove you belong.
Caitlin Clark belongs on the Olympic team, she belongs on
the All Star team, she belongs in the skills competition.
And here's the thing, women's basketball. You can't use the
excuse that she caught you off guard, because a lot
(07:45):
of times overnight sensations do catch businesses off guard. But Ticketmaster,
you knew Taylor Swift was a massive hit eight years earlier,
be prepared, and two years before she entered the WNB,
Caitlyn Clark for Little Iowa was setting college basketball records.
(08:07):
She came back for her final year. You knew two
years in advance, Oh, we got a star. One year
in advance, she'll be the number one pick. That was
no excuse, Butcher in her early schedule, there's no excuse
not having months and months of discussions on the Olympic team.
She's clearly one of the better offensive long range performers
(08:27):
in the league. I'd argue she's first or second best playmaker.
Leads the WNBA and assists seven of her last eight
games double digit assists. And this is for a team
that doesn't have a lot of finishers the Indiana Fever,
so she always says the right stuff at the podium.
She's gonna downplay this win by her All Star team
over the coveted Olympic team. She's not good enough to
(08:49):
be on so far. She's more than prepared and capable.
It's women's basketball that's not quite ready for Caitlyn Clark.
She is.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I mean, they're really good. They have plenty of talent
on that team. I'm like, I mean it was the
same I think four years prior. I'm pretty sure the
team WNBA beat Team USA. They were perfectly fine in
the Olympics. I think for myself from my standpoint is like,
you know, this is a great opportunity to, you know,
help prepare them for Paris, and you know I'm going
to be supporting them and cheering them on, like I
(09:22):
love the Olympics. I've loved the Olympics ever since I
was a young kid. And they were going to be
just spine. They're they're going to win Golden dominate. So
I'm not I'm not worried.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
She continues to always say the right things at the
right time, and I'm gonna stay on this Olympic snub
to the very end, despite the fact they'll win gold.
So Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Fifty minutes from now, Aaron
Rodgers already down playing get defensive about missing OTA's j Mac.
(09:52):
I'm sure you saw that on your timeline. I'm sure
that popped up.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I was not really on social media this weekend
outside of that small.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Politicals story hours ago.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I didn't really.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I was.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know, my son had a chess tournament. I played
a lot of hoops, got to hang out with the family.
Like I didn't spend a lot of time online.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I did not either. Yeah, I was. I had a
family gathering out east with lobster and lobster pants, and
it was a bit of a blur. That's a long
way to fly there and back for a couple of days,
but it was a fantastic played a good round of
golf yesterday in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Excuse me, you played golf?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh? I played, Yes, I played golf in the summer.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Your handicap, well me. But I would say this, for
the first time in my life, I am committing to clubs,
really committing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
So golf clubs are clubbing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The former, not the latter.
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Welcome Back on a Monday, Colin Right, Colin wrong. Forty
minutes from now. So Stephen Jones, Jerry joneson Helps Run
the Cowboys, was on the Scoop City podcast and he's
talking about something that we've discussed for about six months
to a year. The NFL used to play fourteen games,
then they went to sixteen games, then they added a game.
(11:14):
They're going to go to eighteen games. That'll probably be
the cap on it. Over the course of forty six
years they went from fourteen to seventeen. Everybody was fine,
the league got better, the quality got better. So they're
going to move to eight teen games. And Steven Jones says,
it's pretty much inevitable.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I'm on the competition committee. We've talked about this know
one that it's probably inevitable. The players, you know, enjoy
the compensation that's coming their way, and they get, for
the most part, half of every revenue dollar that comes
through the door. Oh, we all know when we go
to eighteen games, the revenue's gonna jump and certainly should
(11:52):
only help in terms of the money available to pay players,
and you know, get players the compensation.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So players adjust. I watched the political landscape this weekend.
I watch everybody freak out and make claims. People adjust.
A few years ago, in a more sensitive, wokier world,
there were these cries that Thursday night football was so
terrible for the players, it was outrageous. If you watch
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the Netflix series called Receivers. San Francisco's George Kittle says
players love Thursday night games because they get the weekend
off to actually hang with their families during the NFL season.
Players adjust. The league is safer. The concussion protocols have
been tightened, the NFL's eliminating kickoffs, the most dangerous play.
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There's less practice time, there's less hitting. The medical staffs
are light years better than twenty five years ago. And
the rules, frankly, just make it safer. There's less hitting.
If you go to Super Bowls. The Super Bowl last year,
San Francisco was missing one starter due to injury, a
safety and then a linebacker got hurt during the game,
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but it was non contact. He just hurt himself running
on the field, and I'm not sure Kansas City was
missing any starters. The league is safer, nobody wants to
admit it. And players now make so much money that
a single game check for a Christian McCaffrey and Mahomes,
a Lamar, a Josh Allen, a star receiver, a star
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edge rusher can be over a million dollars for forty
eight snaps. Yeah, players adjust, they'll take the money. Even
in college football, it used to be played like eleven
games total. Now it feels like with the playoff they'll
be thirteen fourteen games and and iald are getting paid. Also,
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I don't see a lot of college football players amazing
careers in jeopardy or end due to an injury. Guys
who were great going into their final college season. You
generally get drafted very high. So in negotiations, you know
this if you've ever been in one. Owners have things
they care about. Players have things they care about. Actually,
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players in the NFL with a last CBA, they wanted
less practice time, fewer padded practices. They went from twenty
eight players went down to sixteen. Now, I think it's
hurt offensive line play, but it probably hasn't hurt as
many players. So that was a big deal for players.
Some players grumble about the franchise tag, but they've accepted
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it because the players who sign those usually get paid
a lot of money. So you know, in forty six years,
the league made a couple of changes from fourteen to seventeen,
and all we see is this insatiable want and need
for more football. And it'd be one thing if the
employees weren't happy with it. But my guess is the
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players now with the gambling money being injected, and that's
only getting bigger into the NFL, the TV revenue, the
new CBA's going forward. NFL players today get paid like
NBA players did ten years ago. The NBA players, because
of shoe deals and because it's a more star driven sport,
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have always made really really huge money. But NFL guys
now they do too, and there are some shoe deals
with NFL guys. They're all over commercials. Look at Travis Kelcey.
It's on like six national commercials. He's a tight end
in the middle of the country, not a coastal, elite city.
So my take is, take a deep breath. Players and
employees always adjust. J Mack with the news, turn on
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the news.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Start with the Baltimore Ravens. Colin.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They had their first team practice of training camp Sunday.
Lamar Jackson was not there. He was sent home with
an illness. And you know, last time we talked to
the Ravens, they were getting their doors blown off at
home by the Chiefs. Maybe that's strong, but they were
favored and they did not show up at any rate.
The media is asking John Harbaugh about criticism directed at
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Lamar who's got two MVPs but struggled to the playoffs,
about Lamar not reaching the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Here's Harbaugh's response.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
There's a lot of great things said about Lamar, but
there's a lot of stuff that said to you gotta
just scratch your head.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
About and kind of wonder, what's that person even thinking?
You know so, But we take it personally. He's got
a growth mindset. He's gonna get better and better, no doubt.
But what does he have to do to prove himself
to some people?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
And the vision that we have together is that Lamar
Jackson is going to become and be known and be
recognized as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know it's interesting. I'm gonna give you four players
outside of these four quarterbacks, Brady Mahomes, Joe Montana, and
Eli Manning. Now just listen. Super Bowls are in. Playoffs
are really hard. When Eli made him, he was great. Brady, Montana,
Mahomes and Eli. Take those four out. Peyton Manning got
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his doors blown off in the Super Bowl. Peyton Manny
struggled for years early playoff games. John Elway got his
doors blown out in the playoffs and super Bowls. If
you take out four quarterbacks Brady Montana, Mahomes, and strangely,
Eli Manning, who when they made the playoffs went on
these crazy runs. They're hard for Aaron Rodgers. They were
hard for Brett Favre. They were hard for Elway. They're
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hard for everybody. They're hard for Josh Allen. Playoffs are hard.
The coaching's better, I mean, the weather's crappy. So there's
weird stuff that happened. I mean, Brady one time got
his hand written before a game and somehow miraculously overcame it.
But my takeaway and Lamar, is if you are special,
win seventy six percent of your games. Every quarter back
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except those four it maybe Bart Starr didn't see him play. Obviously,
everybody struggles in the playoffs. Even Mahomes got his doors
blown off in a Super Bowl when he didn't have
his tackles.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Everybody does struggle in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's hard, obviously, and the sample size is time time,
sixty minutes. You have a bad game, gets over that
being said Colin, one of these years he's got to.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Break through, Right, it's this year.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Definitely not this year. You want to go ahead and
take the Ravens for the Super Bowl. But like listen,
we could defend him all we want. Sure, like Peyton
Manning struggled. I think it was his first five years. Yeah,
he had no playoff wins.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, you know, but we're in an Alice social media.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Era where it's like, hey, deliver or you're gonna get ripped.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah. I mean, we consider Jalen Hurts to be a
really good quarterback, and if you take out one great
year with Shane Steichen, we're not quite sure what he is.
Dak Prescott has had almost no success how many years
he been playing in the postseason at all. So the
quarterbacks we like struggled in the playoffs Josh Allens, as
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talented as anybody I've ever seen. It's very rare when
you're Bradshaw and you get the Hall of Fame coach,
the Hall of Fame offensive line, stalwarth great defense. That
you can't build that anymore. So what you can't you
can't build a team as good as Bradshaw Steelers. So
what you hope is that you get the GM and
the coach like Mahomes or Brady when Brady early had
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Scott Bioli Belichick good ownership because even those new England
teams had holes all over the offense. In Kansas City
been on a receiving corps the last two years. So
my take is salary cap has eliminated the seventy five Steelers.
That stuff doesn't exist. What it creates to and some
of those Bill Walshneiner teams. What it creates is teams
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with flaws and limitations. You cross your fingers fingers on
injury attrition. But for the last twenty years, two quarterbacks
in the world, Brady and Mahomes, have not strong in
the playoffs. I don't do that's it.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Kyle Shanahan got to a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo
and Brock Perty lost both. Oh so now it is
they lost the Supers, so getting there is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Lamar?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Okay, what is Lamar?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Then? Can't get to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
If you're gonna call Perty and Garoppolo losers, what's Lamar?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Hey, enjoy the MVPs.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You haven't won those bowl Those are something. If you
take out the MVPs, what's Aaron Rodgers career won Super Bowl?
I mean, MVPs matter somewhere. I mean, we can't give
Aaron Rodgers credit for his MVP. That's all I ever hear.
Look at all these MVP Well, Lamar's got MVP, youngest
got to ever have two MVP. So MVPs do matter
in the construct.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Again, Aaron's been playing longer. They've had some fluky nonsense
happened to them in the playoffs. That's Seattle game.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh stop it, come on the Seattle game with the
on side kick. In the playoffs, Rogers has been a
little unlucky. I don't know, I'm still waiting. It's been
six months. What the hell happened to Lamar in the
Ravens against the Chiefs and don't.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Say Patrick Mahomes because they couldn't move the football. Colin,
tell me what happened?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Oh see game planned?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Oh it's the OC. Oh okay, here we go. Always
blamed someone else. Lamar free pass. That's that's he's a
clean living.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
If you're Lamar, Texas, never your fault. Let's move on
to the Dallas Cowboys. They opened camp this week and
the Athletic recently released the results of a fan survey
pulling Dallas fans on a number of topics. One of
them was who's the most overrated player on the team.
Dak Prescott runaway winner, two hundred and fifty one of
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the votes, one hundred more than the next highest player,
Micah Parsons, speaking of no show in the playoffs, Michael Parsons,
go look up his stats.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
So, Dak most overrated player?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Your thoughts? No, he is. He's also good, but overrated
and good two things can be true. He's a good player,
but sixty million a year, which he's going to get
all these people on the internet. Top five quarterback, No
he's not. He doesn't throw it to top ten at
the very end, maybe, and that's not a hot take.
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He doesn't throw an elite ball He's not elite. He's
not an elite in terms of mobility like a Lamar
or a Jordan Love or a Josh Allen. So he's
not an elite mover. He moves, okay, he doesn't move
any better than Tony Romo, and Tony Romo didn't get
credit for being an elite run around guy. They both
run the same, They're both fine. He's not an elite
thrower of the football. He's not in the same class
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as Mahomes Alan Herbert Burrow. So what's the elite at leadership? Toughness?
He's great at that stuff. I love him. He's very
Kirk Cousins. I love him and all the stuff. But
moving and throwing this okay.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I forgot who was the runner up to the MVP
Award last year in the entire NFL.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Let me guess, a cowboy quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
It happens all the Yeah, Tony Romo. How many MVP
runner ups?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Coward?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
This is a plucky start to the show, if you
will for me, just the denigration of Dak Prescoty. He's
our top five, bottom of the top ten runner up.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think if you were whole general managers, they'd have
him somewhere in the eight, nine, ten to eleven range.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I think that's what GM and listen, And I'm not
going to defend Dak in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
For the record, That's why I have him all having
closer to ten eleven. So I'm having closer to eight.
But at the end of this season, when Herbert finally
gets a coach, okay, Herbert's going to elevate beyond what
a lot of people And if Jalen Hurtz has kind
of another solid year, he does more things well than Dak.
So this will be a very interesting year for Dak
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because as we know, he's got one receiver of note one.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well, wait a minute, I don't even think this is
a fair year to grade or judge Dak Well. Coach
is basically lame duck right doesn't have an extension. Ceedee
Lamb is the only receiver, and he's he's angry. Michael
Parsons is complaining a new defensive coordinator, no running.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Back room, like they have stacked the deck against deck
this year.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, it's what they've done. You could say it's sinister,
but what they've done in a contract year is make
the team very Dak reliant. There was a story today
that they want to get the CD deal done first,
which I certainly think that's not That's a reasonable take
is get your star receiver. Everybody needs one. You drafted him,
you hit on him. But what the Cowboys are doing
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is they're saying, Dak, if we're gonna pay us sixty,
we just watched Mahomes win a super Bowl with no
number one or two wide receiver. We just watched them
the year before win a super Bowl. Would Juju's ms
Schuster as his number one received?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You say, hey, Dak, go be Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
No, if you want to be paid like Pat, then
we're not stacking the deck for you. Because Dallas feels
deep down and they may be right. We kind of
stacked the early deck. Best O line, Zeke, Amari Cooper,
offensive coaches. Yeah, and you didn't deliver in January. So
this year and by way, every year is fair to
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judge Dak. He's in his ninth season. Now we all
know what he is. So I do think Dallas is
saying inside the building privately, we stacked the deck early
and we didn't get any January February moments. Now, Bro,
this is on you, And if you want to get
Mahomes money, you gotta win multiple playoff games in the
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weaker conference.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Hey, Jerry Dak Prescott here, I don't want Patrick mahomes money.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I want what the market says.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm worse.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't want Patrick Mahomes's money. Give me what the
market says, Quarterbacks, what the going ring is.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I'm When you throw fourteen interceptions this year
and we finished with nine wins, the market says, eh,
closer to it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm talking about now. I want my money just like
Jordan Long. Jordan Love wants it now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
No, it's not the same. Jordan Love has shown it
innate unique athletic skills that Dak doesn't possess. Moves much better,
got a better arm, and went into Dallas with the
youngest team in the league and destroyed deck. That was
not just an eye test. That was a oh Jordan
Loves much more talent and there's a reason he went
in the first round. Deack in the fourth and green
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Bay doesn't stack the deck. They pay the good players,
but green Bay spends the least amount of money in
the league on offense. Right now, they're not stacking the deck.
Jordan Love led the league in everything for eight weeks
playing with the youngest team in the league. That's a
whole different ballgame. Then well Dak gets MVP votes.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Oh, game sample size versus a full season.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
How long do you have to watch American Idol? How
long do you have to watch a singer to go
awful or really good? Taylor talent jumps off the TV.
We knew Joe Burrow, Herbert Mahomes, Lamar. You know year
one if they can play, and then you know by
middle of year two if they're going to be a star.
It doesn't take that long to see talent. It really doesn't.
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Once a guy gets to the it's hard to it's
hard to judge college to pro or high school to college.
It's not hard to judge. Once the guys in the NFL,
he can play or he can't play. Kevin Garnett came
out of high school. Second year in the league. You're like, oh,
wemby four games in the summer league. Oh, it doesn't
take that much time to go. Dude, can ball.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So Jordan Love does deserve that big big money.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, he've been No, Mahomes can get whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm sorry, Dak does not deserve it, but Jordan loved it. Yeah,
how I view it was early? You cook it up
some takes on that flight.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Whoa. The final story is team USA.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I don't know if you saw this during your Lobster
bisc hangout, but uh, Lebron saved the USA. Yes, pretty
damn good game against South su Dan, which has some
They got some guys.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh no, they have some, dude, No, I watched this game.
They got dudes.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
US was down sixteen and then Lebron leads an incredible comeback, interestingly,
twenty three to five run in the second half. Steph
Curry got hot, and then Lebron scored the game winner
with eight seconds left. Lebron twenty five, six and seven,
Anthony Davis fifteen and eleven. So it was the Lebron
and Ad show.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
No question. Yeah. Hey, by the way, what do you
think Lebron? You know, people say Lebron's got quite an ego.
Ye're twenty two, thirty nine years old, and he knows
he's the best player consistently on this team. Not Jason Tatum,
not Booker, not An Edwards. Lebron James knows in that game.
You and I watched it. Lebron's why they won. Lebron James,
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you're twenty two. So all the people that think you
have an ego, go watch the internet for five minutes.
Losers think they're something. I mean, just right with losers.
Lebron's been top of the world, the planet in basketball,
still our most dependable player on the Olympic team today.
You're twenty two.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Thirty nine years old.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You don't think he's got a little self confidence. I'm
watching that game. He is the not only is he
the glue guy, he makes everything work. He had to
do all the scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Hey, he's not gonna let him lose.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And also, we got to be fair here. I was
very critical. I think you were two of Anthony Davis
two years ago. Couldn't stay healthy. The dude's been a
monster three on this team. He has been and when
you watch him, he has been phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Now I do need to ask.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I wasn't here for the take, but you had said
this team is way better than the drink.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think no.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I said it's deeper because it's positionless. Everybody can outside
of like Anthony Davis, everybody can handle the ball. Everybody
can shoot a three. I mean, when you're bringing like
a Tatum and an ad off the bench, that ain't
Christian Latner, that's you know, that's that's a different level.
It's the deepest team. It's the most diverse, most dexterity
I've ever seen an Olympic team. But is there starting
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five as great? Maybe not?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Well, again, I'm not trying to pin you down here.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I do wonder though, exhibition game South Sudan, Yes, US
favor by forty. By the way, don't bet on exhibition
Olympic basketball.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
People don't, uh, and then the US barely wins. So
does this say they're not great?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Not like historically, it doesn't say that they're not great.
What is it say? But here's my take on a
lot of this stuff is that there was a different
feel from American players when you went through high school
and were hard coached, and you went through college and
stayed for three years and you were hard coached, and
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then you went into the NBA and were hard coached.
Players now don't play high school basketball. It's AAU basketball,
which is just a million games, and nobody's coaching your
hard one year max of college where the coach has
to basically suck up to you, so you'll go to
his Kentucky or go to a Syracuse into the NBA
where you finally get some hard coaching if you fall
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to the right place like Golden State, Miami, San Antonio,
maybe Minnesota or New York. And so what I see
with our players is more dexterity, more talent, more skills,
little less hunger. There's a reason that NIXT team Nova guys,
they've got an old school field. They play their arsof
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is that when I watch a lot of our domestic
players they're really talented. I don't think they quite I
think are old school guys, and I classify ad a
little old school Lebron Steph Curry. I don't know. When
I watch our young basketball players, I don't see kind
of that MJ. Kobe, Lebron Steph urgency fight. I don't
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see more skilled, absolutely more skills than ever. But they're
When I watch our Olympic team, I think this team
has a lot of old school guys and then a
lot of new school, collaborative kumbaya guys, and it's a
weird chemistry.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
For the missing grit.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I just don't think most young people today because you
know their parents had a better life. I don't think
there's a ton of grit with a lot of young people.
I think there's more talent than ever everywhere in sports
and nonsports. I think there's more intelligence, more tech, more
brain power, more skills. But when I watch this team,
I see these old school guys like you. I watched
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that Sala Sudan game. Lebron was like, yo, guys, rally
the true all take over. If I was a young guy,
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, this is our
this is our team, and it's not. Lebron just takes
the ball, controls the offense, controls to even Steve Kerr said,
he's just different. He's got Lebron for as progressive as
everybody thinks he is, he's got a lot of old
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school basketball respect the way he respects the game.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That's a good point that a small thing. Drew Holliday
so good for the Celtics just want another title. He's
supposed to be the lockdown defender, the guy who won
the g League MVP dominated him in that game on Saturday.
He could Drew Holliday could not stop Carlic Jones, who
was a G League MVP and ad a triple bubble,
and it's like, what's going on here? And I think
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that's to your point, Like G League MVP's out here
trying to prove something. I haven't won anything, I have
no rings, I'm not all NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I've got to go against these guys. That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Time example, look at Phoenix before Chris Paul, they had
Devin Booker. They were awful. Chris Paul comes in, old school,
tough guy immediately NBA Final contender, right, they had to
bring in old school guys around Booker. By the way,
Jason Tatum for years and years they had to bring
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in old school Drew Holiday poor zingis. So it's like
young guys are more talented, but I kind of feel
like sometimes they just don't have sort of that old
school mentality. And Tatum's a great example of it. Booker
is another great example.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Do you think social media has hurt because every time
you open your phone, if you're Jason Tatum, everybody on
the two million followers five million, everybody loves you. You're great,
You're the goat, all this stuff that's every day. Anthony Edward,
You're the next Jordan, like, at what point are you
just going to be grinding away to get there? Well,
when you're being told again, I.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Love the NBA now and then. I think it's better
today by far in terms of overall skill. But back
then Jordan was fighting for a tiny piece of the pie.
Now everybody gets a whole pie. It's different you make
you know, pre Magic and Burden, nobody's making shoe money.
Now you've got maybe doctor j everybody's got revenue from social,
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revenue from shoes, massive revenue from the league. So I
just think Warren Buffett always talks about every generation will
have it better than the previous generation because of all
the apps we have. Now, I don't have to go
out and eat I can do door dash my life.
You know, I work hard, you work hard, but by
and large most people apps tech makes our life much easier.
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I don't have to go to a I don't even
have to go to a travel agent. I can book
ten flights in twenty minutes. Like things are easier. So
I don't think as a society we have as much.
And I'm looking at myself. You know, I had more
grit in my twenties than now. Life's gotten easier. Yeah,
J Mack with a news.
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Speaker 1 (36:57):
So remember when Aaron Rodgers missed OTAs big controversy we
had said on the air. I was told I didn't
I wouldn't put it out there, but I was told
he was in Egypt. He later came out and acknowledged
he was in Egypt. I couldn't get a second source.
I had a one source on it, but that's where
I was told he was at. Eventually he was there
and so and his coach called it an unexcused absence. Well,
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he went on a podcast Pardon my take, recently, and
he said about missing that. He said, quote, they can
arbitrarily put a tag on whatever week of OTA's they want,
and they can call it mini camp week, and that
makes it, said Aaron, somehow like more mandatory than the
other weeks. But Aaron said it was an OTA schedule.
That's how words can be a little deceiving time to time.
(37:43):
They can make a story out of the fact I
missed mini camp, but it was really two OTA days
I missed, but I came to the first ten. Okay,
this sort of feels like immunized versus vaccinated Round two
with Aaron, it's all semantics, be honest instead of to
be defensive. Just own it. All your teammates were there
and you, the star quarterback, were not. Again, the coach
(38:08):
called it an inexcused absence, immunized, vaccinated, whatever, broh. Here's
the thing. The Jets have had great players for a
long time, forever, I mean right now. PFF says they're
offensive lines top five. I disagree, but that's what PFF says.
I do think they have top four or five defensive
person Now. The Jets have never been a talent issue.
(38:32):
I've always been a leadership issue. They can't get the
right GM. The owners are impulsive, the quarterbacks have been
hit and miss, mostly miss. So it's a leadership thing.
And your teammates were there and you weren't. And again,
you're not a slot receiver, a third corner, a special
teams gunner. You're the face of the franchise. I sort
(38:53):
of look at Aaron as this point, at this point
in his career for me, as really good content. He's interesting.
I think some time he wants to really win these menial,
trivial media battles. That's a big thing to him. Whereas
when the Harrison Butker story broke for the Chiefs, Mahomes
had sort of a vanilla middle of the road comment
and let everybody else get the glare, you know, the
(39:17):
Josh Allen's, the Lamars. They don't want any of this stuff.
Aaron kind of seems to lean into it, you know,
he's into sort of winning these media scrums and menial battles.
But and I think sometimes Aaron likes to be discussed,
and he's interesting and he's good content, and I think
he's bright and has a lot of opinions. But I
(39:39):
always feel like, you ever play Madden, and you can
do the rookie level or the you know, go all
in on the Madden level, which is much harder. Aaron
sort of chooses the latter. He goes he goes Madden
instead of the all rookie level, and it's just a
little more disruptive, it's a little more difficult, it's a
little harder, and all these things with a New York
(39:59):
media game inflamed and get talked about and teammates have
to answer to him. I think the Jets' talent is
really not the issue. I think their talent's fine, although
I think they're pretty dependent on Breece Hall not getting injured. Therefore,
you've got a new offensive line and a running game
without Breece Hall that's not dynamic. More pressure on forty
(40:19):
year old Aaron that's not good. But they've got more
talent than the last couple of years at wide receiver.
They've drafted very well on the defensive side. If Aaron's
upright for seventeen weeks, I think they can win nine games.
You guys think ten to eleven, twelve. I think, you know,
closer to nine to eight. But be that as it may.
This just feels like, you know, kind of the Aaron
(40:43):
trying to win one of these little battles and your
teammates were there and you weren't, and that's it. It
doesn't I'm fine with it. I don't think it's the
end of the world, but I would rather have my
guy own it. I will say this, old quarterbacks. You know,
Brady was literally doing illegal practice as a Jets went
high school. You know, older quarterbacks, I don't want to
(41:05):
get hit, they don't necessarily want to practice as much.
And I get all of that. I do think the
Jets is a very unique situation because of the constant
impulsive nature of the ownership, because they're the Jets, because
it's New York. I think you should be there, But
I don't think it'll have an adverse effect once the
real season starts. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong top of Next
(41:26):
Hour already video out Jmack of Xavier Worthy, the rookie
receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs, three words, latting it
up at AFC's cooking baby. He had some very impressive
on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I know Worthy's a big TikTok guy.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Is he a big TikTok? Him and his girlfriend? Whatever.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I'm just so over the Chiefs. I cannot wait for
the downfall. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
You waited twenty years for the New England downfall? How
that work out? For a minute, hour two on the
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