July 22, 2024 • 34 mins
Jason Timpf reacts to LeBron James, Steph Curry, and Team USA's 92-88 win over Germany in their exhibition ahead of the Olympic Games in Paris. Jason discusses LeBron's dominant 4th quarter, in which he scored the final 11 points of the game for Team USA, and why the American team has found themselves in closer games than expected, including Saturday's unexpected thriller vs. South Sudan. Later, Jason breaks down who he thinks would win between LeBron and Anthony Davis' 2020 Lakers vs. Jayson Tatum's 2024 Boston Celtics.
Timeline:
3:00 - Introduction
7:15- USA vs. Germany Reaction
17:45 - What is going on with Team USA?
27:30 - LeBron vs. Michael Jordan
30:00 - Joel Embiid's Team USA comments
33:45 - 2020 Lakers vs. 2024 Celtics
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had a great weekend. We had unexpected great basketball on
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Saturday as the team from South today and gave Team
USA a hell of a battle and we ended up
with the Lebron James game winner. And then Germany likewise
takes a fourth quarter lead against USA today and once
again Lebron James down the stretch eleven points in the
final four minutes. I want to talk a little bit
about Lebron and how him kind of rising to the
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that means and what makes it interesting. I want to
talk about why this team has struggled a little bit,
because I think there are some misconceptions about Foeba basketball
and how tough these games actually are. But I think
we can all agree they shouldn't be in you know,
clutch time slugfest every single night either, So they're clearly
underachieving a little bit. So we're gonna talk a little
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bit about what's going on with Team USA. After that,
I have three big questions I want to hit. I
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less announcement before we get started. I recorded an interview
with Himahawk as junior like eleven days ago. Then it
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finally got approved, So that's gonna be airing on the
feed tomorrow morning at seven am Pacific Standard time. I'm
gonna tweet out another reminder of it tonight, but it
was really fun for my first time ever interviewing an
NBA player. Heimahak has also just had a very productive
Summer league, as he got named second Team All Summer League,
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dove into a bunch of stuff with the USA Select Team,
his time with the Miami Heat, his development as a
post score. I thought it was really interesting. I'm excited
for you guys to see that that's gonna be on
the feeds tomorrow morning at seven am. And again, thank
you guys for your patience on that front. So why
why is it such a big deal that in these
big moments on Team USA that Lebron James seems to
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be the guy that is most comfortable taking things over
and bringing the team home. And the reason why simple
these are really high pressure moments, Like any loss for
this team is a disaster. Imagine the news cycle this
morning on all your favorite shows if South Sudan had
won on Saturday. Imagine the news cycle tomorrow if they
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had barely escaped South Sudan on Saturday and then somehow
blown well, I mean, they were trailing in the fourth
quarter against Germany today, Like what if they had lost
that game? Imagine the new cycle tomorrow. I like, for
as far as the Lebron stuff goes, I have a
lot of guys who listen to this show who are
not Lebron fans, who are dislike Lebron. It's not not
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a huge shock. He's a very polarizing player, right, But
there are a lot of you, I know that had
Lebron gotten blocked on that right handed layup against South Sudan,
or if he had settled for a pull up jump
shot and missed it, you know, damn well, the kind
of things you would have been saying. Right, these are
high pressure moments. There's a lot to lose here. Obviously,
they're not in the actual elimination games, and that will
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add another layer to things when they get to that point.
But these are really high pressure moments, and Lebron is
taking a personal responsibility in that situation. To be responsible
for the outcome in high pressure moments on a basketball team,
it requires a huge amount of confidence in your ability
to grab the reins and take that personal responsibility in
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the outcome. And again we know what Lebron's abilities are.
He's bigger and stronger and faster than the majority of
players in the world, which is insane at his age,
but it's the truth. I think this game against Germany
was an excellent kind of showcase for Lebron's footwork. I
always talk about the idea of a score getting to
their spots right, and to get to your spots, there
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are multiple elements there. There's a floor vision piece. You
got to be going at the right times when the
spacing on the floor actually dictates that there's an opportunity
for you to get to a spot on the floor.
So there's like a basketball like Q element of it.
You also have to pass yourself into those opportunities. As
a primary ball handler, there is a massive brain and
IQ element to it. The second piece of it is skill.
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You got to have the ball control to get to
where you are where you're trying to get to while
having enough control over the basketball to then get to
a shot, whether it's a fade away over your right shoulder,
a fade away over your left shoulder, or a float
or a hook shot, or whatever it might be. There's
a skill element.
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Well.
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The third element to it is footwork. You actually have
to be able to get there without traveling while also
doing it against elite athletes. And the only way you're
going to do it against elite athletes is if you
have the footwork to be efficient with your movements while
you go to that spot. So, for instance, if you
waste energy with a negative step, if you waste energy
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by having to hop instead of getting to a one
to two because you're uncomfortable getting your foot to that spot,
if you can drop step towards the baseline but you
only can shoot and you don't have a step through,
then an athlete can beat you to that spot and
put you into some trouble. There is a footwork piece
to getting from point A to point B as well.
How many times did you see in that fourth quarter
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run from Lebron where he would get into the lane
and then pump, bake and wait for dudes around him
to get out of position and then pivot without traveling
and get to an easy spot underneath the basket for
him to then unleash his size and strength for that
little right handed bank shot. Right, Like, all of those
elements are important for a player to get to their spots.
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There are a lot of guys in the league that
are incredibly skilled, that have every dribble combination in the
book and every pull up jump shot in the book,
but they don't see the floor well enough to know
when to go to their spots, or they don't pass
the ball well enough to keep the help defense home,
or maybe they don't have the footwork to get to
that spot. There are a lot of guys that have
all of the footwork and have all of the vision,
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but don't have the scoring ability.
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Right.
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We've seen guys like Ben Simmons in the NBA that
have struggled with that, right. It's very rare to have
a player that actually kind of has it all, and
that's part of what has made Lebron so good over
his career. He's got the size and strength, he's got
the footwork, he's got the skill shots that he needs
to get to to finish those plays. The second half
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run against South Sudan. I want to kind of go
through the specifics of the way he took over these
two games. So in the South Sudan game, for instance,
right around the start of the second half, things were
getting a little ugly as they came out. They want
a little run, but then so they pushed it right
back up to sixteen and it looked like there was
going to be some trouble, and Lebron actually kind of
took over the offense for the majority of that second half,
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and he was kind of playing in that role that
I talked about a lot after the Serbia game, which
is like at the top of the key while there's
off ball action happening around him. It's kind of like
functioning similarly to the way that Draymond Green functions within
the Golden State offense, except for Lebron's obviously a much
higher level offensive player. But he was hitting a lot
of back cuts and like getting into the lane and
making drop off passes, kicks to shooters, hitting steph as
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he was running off of off ball action. He was
kind of just functioning as the hub. Hit a couple
of bit pull up threes, during that stretch as well.
But then on the game winner, he just unleashed his
superpowered again. That was crazy again after JT Thor at
that step back three in the right corner, Sudan was
up with twenty seconds left. If Lebron misses that shot,
they lose the game. If Lebron settles for a jumper
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there and misses it, they lose the game. There was
some real pressure there, and what was cool was like
Lebron just went to old reliable. He went to that
like hesitation har dribble to the left, clear out with
that off arm to get separation, and then he's a
big Lebron has a great left hand, but he's big
right hand on the left side of the rim because
he turns his back and he kind of like uses
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his back as a shield to prevent the player from
coming over the top, and then he'll extend with that
right hand and finish at the rim. Huge huge play.
The late run against Germany a big part of it too,
Like he ramped up as an athlete down the stretch
of that game. He was kind of in chill mode
for the middle portion of that Germany game. He had
three huge defensive rebounds down the stretch where he just
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beat everybody to the back basketball right in between his
cut off of the Joel Embid layup and the full
court post up where he got the layup. The back
to back layups he had right in between those two plays.
He made the first layup, a lefty layup that sent
him into the cameras he turned around and sprinted the
floor and got a steel in transition as he beat
everybody to a passing lane. Like he can scale up
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as an athlete when he needs to in these moments.
Is he gonna do that for an eighty two game season. No,
But in these singular moments, he can still elevate his
game to a level that most people on the planet
can't get to. And then again, like that, a Joel
Embiid was posting on the right block, Lebron's man digged down.
As soon as he dug down, Lebron just cut in
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that slot and beat nice pass and bead had a
Embiad was getting getting torched on defense, but he had
a much better offensive game in this particular game. Embiad
also had a huge block at the rim that led
to the Anthony Edwards dunk, which sneaky crazy move was
that left to right cross over the transition that was
super smooth, but Lebron cutting off the slot on the
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mbid post up. Then right after he gets the transition steal,
he gives up the basketball and runs up the right
side of the floor again doing your job. Like you
got the steal, you're out of position to be the
ball handler. Give it to the ball handler. Sprint up
the wing. He gets inside position on his defenders, stays
a little bit too much high and above him on
his left shoulder side. Lebron catches, dribbles into the post,
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goes through him and Schroeder at the rim, and gets
the layup. There was the right wing three. Daniel Tice
was guarding Lebron and was digging way down into the lane.
Most of these teams don't have guys that can guard Lebron,
and so what they've been doing is just playing way
off of him and daring him to shoot. But as
we know, Lebron just had the best jump shooting season
of his career. So Lebron hung out on that right wing,
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knocked down the huge three to put him up four,
and then the late game possession. It was kind of
a fascinating sequence because one of Germany's wings was on
Steph and Schroeder was on Lebron, and Schroeder did not
want to get switched off of Lebron. Steph was trying
to screen him so that he could get so that
he could get a slower defender on Lebron. And I
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get it, like Schroeder's quicker and can kind of hang
out with Lebron laterally, but Lebron's just so much bigger
than him, and Schroeder, for whatever reason, would not concede
the switch. He stayed, fought through the screen, stayed with Lebron.
Lebron just turned his back and like bullied him from
the three point line, did that hardcore spin move towards
the baseline, pump fake, then step through. Beautiful footwork. I
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clipped that play. I mean, you don't have to look
at my feet. You can find it anywhere on social
media right now, but beautiful footwork from Lebron to get
it done. That was fun to watch. The crazy thing
is he's clearly been the best player on this team.
Now is he the best guy for an eighty two
game regular season? Like, is Lebron going to be able
to bring it as an athlete from early October to
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mid June the way these other guys can. No, obviously not.
But if he gets to a playoff series, if he
gets to a situation where it's a small sample size
and everything is on the line and he is healthy, yeah,
there's that Jokic tier. Jokic, Luca Jannis. I'm not sure
Lebron can reach that level in those situations anymore, but
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everybody that's below that tier in a big spot, he's
better than all those guys. And this is the latest
example of that. Don't let the incompetence of Genie bust
and the Lakers distract you from the fact that Lebron
has been playing at a top five level late into
his thirties. Don't don't let the issues that the Purple
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and Gold have been having, which are extensive and go
well beyond things that Lebron James is doing, Don't let
that distract you from the level of basketball that he's playing.
Like it's insane that on a team that has all
these guys that are in their twenties, in their early thirties,
in their primes, that he is the guy that is
able to meet this occasion and take control of the
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way that he has been. It's a testament to his greatness.
It's a testament to the respect that these guys have
for him, that they trust him, and he's not failing.
It's not like he's hijacking the reins and failing. He's
taking control and getting it done, getting it down resoundingly.
It's insane. As a Lebron fan watching him with this
team USA has been one of the cooler experiences rooting
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for him that I've had over the years. But let's
talk about TMSA as a whole for a little bit.
So what's going on with TMOSA. It's not a concern
to me that they aren't beating teams by thirty. This
is not the FOBA of nineteen ninety two. These are
really good basketball teams, and this showcase cycle has been
mostly really good teams. Serbia really good team, Germany really
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good team, Canada really good team, and Australia is tough
and Sausudan. Their odds to win the gold medal improved
ten times after that game because everyone saw like, oh,
they might actually be the most athletic team in the tournament.
They're super long, they play super hard, they've got a
couple of really good guards, and they can play like
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these are real basketball teams. These are go if you
were to go watch FOBA in nineteen ninety two, it's
an entirely different level of competition. So like thinking that
they're just gonna rip through everybody the way the Dream
Team did, that's not going to happen. That said, should
they be in real crunch time as frequently as they
have been against these teams, No, So I think we
can all agree that the team is underachieving to a
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certain extent. That goes without saying, But I think it
primarily has to do with lineup construction. So, for instance,
the starters in particular are really struggling to defensive rebound
and to guard the ball. Like at the point of attack, Well,
you have to run drop coverage because Joel Embiid can't
guard on the perimeter. So you have a big man
that forces you to chase over the top of screens.
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In a lineup with Devin Booker, who's an average athlete
and not a guy who's known getting over screens, Lebron
who's almost forty, and Steph who's almost thirty seven, that's
what you have out there with the big that reques
fires you to chase over at the top of the screen.
That should be a switching unit, and you need Anthony
Davis at center in order to do what you need
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to do to be a switching a switching unit. With
that group, right, you're struggling to defensive rebound, but you're
playing a three guard lineup. Not only three guards, but
two of those guards are Steph who turns thirty seven
next season, and Devin Booker, who's a mediocre athlete, and
Lebron who's forty, and Joel Embiid, who is slow footed
and out of shape. Of course, you can't rebound. That
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lineup is not a good rebounding lineup. If you put
Anthony Davis in for Joel Embiid, you instantly become way
faster and way longer, and you can start doing the
switching that you need to make that unit work defensively.
If you put Kevin Durant when he's healthy, in for
Devin Booker, you immediately become a much better defensive rebounding team.
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And guess what, Kevin Durant struggles to chase over screen.
So that needs to be a switching group. So literally,
just Katie Healthy in for Devin Booker Ady and for
Joel Embiid solves the majority of the issues for that lineup.
They instantly become way better rebounding, They instantly become faster,
and they instantly become a switching group, which is what
they need to be to function defensively. Anyway, the bench
groups are really struggling to execute offense. In the half court,
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They've been awesome defensively, The Bam Tatum ad front court
has been insane defensively. Anthony Edwards has done his fair
share of shot making, but overall in the half court
they're just a little clunky. Well, Embiid is an offensive
firepower machine. He's a hub that you can throw in there.
Adding Joel Embiid to that group should really help. And
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Embiid is slow footed, but that lineup would have Anthony Edwards,
Jason Tatum, and bam Adebayo all really athletic. It can
help hide the foot speed issues that you have, especially
if you end up moving Devin Booker into that group
right which I'm assuming he'd go into that spot and
then probably Derek White would fall out of the lineup,
or if it ends up being Derek White, who knows,
But that group makes more sense offense. You've got these
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tunnel vision guys and aunt Joel Embiid, but let him
play to tunnel vision basketball. Let them play your turn,
my turn basketball in that unit. Oh, you need to
run drop with Joel Embiid, well, Anthony Edwards and Jason
Tatum and Bamba, they're just way more athletic. That's a
group that is more equipped to run drop. You have
Derek White in with your bench group right now, and
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Derek White are both substantially better athletes than Stephan Devin Booker,
so it makes sense within that group. So again, like
I think, just a couple of lineup tweaks will put
this team right back on the right track. And here's
the thing. We gotta be honest with ourselves here. It's
very possible that Steve Kerr is under a directive from
Team USA to make sure that Embiid is starting very well,
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maybe the reason why Embide is on this team for
all we know, I haven't heard anything specific about that,
but I mean, I put it like this, I believe
Steve Kerr sees what we're seeing, and I think he's
way too smart of a basketball mine to not know it,
I would imagine he knows, which makes me think that
there might be some sort of directive, a big giveaway
there is. Today, in the final minutes in crunch time,
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Anthony Davis ended up getting in that five spot, which
I thought was interesting as an indicator of Steve's like
true belief system there. But if it is the case
that embiid has a guaranteed starting spot and Kirk can't
bump him and they have to continue these janky ass
lineup groupings for the majority of these games, then this
team is vulnerable, no question, because the current lineup groupings
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are funky and redundant, and they underachieve, And so yeah,
I think they're a lot closer to being more dominant
than we think just by making a couple of simple tweaks.
It's weird to me that it's taken this long, but
I would imagine there are some extraneous circumstances that are
kind of influencing that in terms of the basketball politics
at play.
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All right, I've got three fake questions for you guys
before we get out of here for the day. Question
number one, Jason, you are a Lebron fan, but you
still have MJ as your goat. Does Lebron's superstar play
extending into his forties change that for you at all?
It does? I did a bit on the Lebron MJ debate.
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I want to say it was at least two years ago.
I think it was the summer after I first started
with the volume. Might even have been earlier than that.
But I made the case for both, and it was
very simple. MJ's case is dominance. There was no player
that was close to as good as him for so long,
and they won so frequently in that window there in
the nineties, that just the gap between him and the
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rest of the league. It almost looks like an outlier
data point, right, And so that would be MJ's case dominance.
Lebron's case is longevity. Lebron's case is, hey, you're there's
thirty nbagms and you get to pick from every player
in NBA history, like their whole careers. You get them
from the day they're drafted to the day they hang
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them up. And this is just first pick, so it's
not in the context of another team you have to
draft a team around that guy. Who do you take?
You take Lebron because with Lebron, I'm getting twenty two
years of top five level play. Maybe if you're being
picky and you're saying, like, oh, the twenty twenty three
year he was kind of rough, and his rookie year
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he was kind of rough, and he was you know,
injured in the twenty nineteen season. Okay, so nineteen seasons,
nineteen seasons of top five play. That's insane at a
certain point. By having that, I just give my team
a really good chance to win a lot of championships
because I have that level of consistent greatness at the top.
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Now am I ready to swap my pick? Because right
now I do have MJ as the goat. I want
to wait until after the Olympics before I make that
sort of stand. But if Lebron continues to lead this
team the way that he has and in the real
elimination games again lifts this team avera over the top,
that to me would be such a strong indicator that
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he's the best American player in the year twenty twenty
four at age thirty nine years old, which is such
an insane accomplishment that you're piggybacking on what was already
insane two years ago. And so at that point I
would have no choice, I think, but to acknowledge that.
But again, I'm gonna wait until after the Olympics. But
I used to be pretty pretty you know, entrenched on
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that MJ one Lebron two stance, and I'm starting to
soften a little bit on that, just because this is
getting ridiculous. Guys, Jason, what do you make of Joel
Embiid's comments recently to the New York Times. So those
of you guys who didn't see this, and I'm sure
most of you did, but Joel Embiid had some comments
about this isn't the same team that it looks to
be on paper, and Lebron's not as good as he
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used to be, and Steph isn't as good as he
used to be here, and he specifically said that this
team doesn't have a talent advantage, which I think is ridiculous,
like the score is notwithstanding, I think TAMSA does have
a substantial talent advantage. Is it anywhere near as why
does it wasn in nineteen ninety two? Obviously not. The
global teams have gotten way better. We talked about that earlier.
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But I do think this team USA team is more talented.
And so that comment is just strange because it's under
selling your teammates to try to like out of like,
to try to like. It's like a weird kind of
like pressure deflecting type of comment that to me is silly.
Like this team should win, it's a disaster. If they don't,
they absolutely have a huge talent advantage. The second piece
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of it was in Beat said that he thought he
could potentially have been the goat had he not been injured.
And here's the thing. Yeah maybe, but like I've we've
all been there. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend
like I haven't tried to make an excuse in my life.
I've had bad days at the gym where I'm in
the car on the way home and I'm like, I'm
dealing with XYZ and this is why I'm not playing well.
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Like the hell, Like, I get busy with work sometimes
and I just don't get to go to the gym
a lot. And then I'll go to the gym and
I won't be as good as I usually and I'll
be like, ah, I hate being this busy because I
don't get to work on my game as much as
I want to. Here's what I've discovered, and I guarantee
you you guys have all discovered the same thing in
your journeys. People don't care about excuses. They never have
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When you're at the gym and you're busting someone's ass
and he says something about, oh, my legs are sore.
Oh I'm dealing with this injury. You don't give a fuck, Like, no,
no one cares about excuses, and that's that's why it's
such a loser mentality, Like that's the thing. It's like, yeah,
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maybe you were the goat. Maybe these injuries have derailed
a potentially all time great type of career. But the
reality is is time and time again, you get to
those spots and you can't come through. And I guarantee you,
as you're getting pull up threes put in your face
by Jason Tatum in Game seven, or as you're that
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was just the deeve end of the floor as you
look scared to make a post move against Al Horford,
no one's sitting there going like that guy could have
been the goat, but he just had some injuries. No,
they're going, what the hell's wrong with Joel Embiid. People
don't care about excuses, and that's the thing. Excuses are real.
There are real reasons why things go the way that
they go. Absolutely there are factors that can affect your performance.
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But expecting, like putting that energy into the public serves
no purpose. You know what I'd like to hear. I'd
like to hear nothing as Joel Embiid privately goes, I
have unfulfilled potential, and this is the year that I
get it all taken care of. I come in in
crazy good shape and I figure it all out and
I kick everyone's ass. If you're that type of talent,
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show us the world will rally around you as soon
as you do. But like, yeah, putting that energy out
there in that in the public that like, oh, like
what if this? What if that? Nobody cares? Nobody cares.
They never have if you go about life expecting to
get pats on the back in support for what's going on,
that's causing you problems. Like people don't care. They just don't.
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They only care about themselves and their family and advancing
their own interests. That's the only thing people care about.
I know it's kind of nihilistic, but it's just what
I think is what I think to be the truth. Jason,
you said on Twitter the other day that you think
the twenty twenty Lakers would beat the twenty twenty four
Celtics in a series. Can you explain why? So? I
tweeted this out the other day and I didn't think
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it was that big of a deal. And then everyone
freaked out. But I want to kind of get into
some of the specifics here because I don't think it's
as crazy as people are making it sound. First of all,
the twenty twenty Lakers were also a dominant basketball team.
The twenty twenty four Celtics were more dominant on paper.
For sure, they won more games, they had a larger
net rating, But there's context there. Playing in a historically
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weak Eastern Conference. The Western Conference won the vast majority
of games and had to head matchups against the East.
This last year's going to inflate net rating statistics. It
just is you're playing more lesser teams in the Eastern Conference.
That's going to inflate your advanced metrics. That's going to
make things a little bit easier, right. But even though
the Celtics were more dominant on paper than the twenty
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twenty Lakers, the twenty twenty Lakers were also insanely dominant.
Here are some basic stats to express that for you.
The twenty twenty Lakers started twenty four and three guys
twenty four and three. They won twenty four of their
first twenty seven games they won before the stoppage when
the when COVID shut down the season they were winning
at a sixty four win pace. Guess how many games
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the Celtics won sixty four and the Lakers did it
in a substantially tougher conference. In this playoff run, the
Celtics had a plus fifteen net rating in their sixteen wins,
meaning they won by an average of fifteen points per
one hundred possessions. The Lakers were plus twelve. That's also
super dominant. So like, the idea that there is like
this chasm between these two champions and what they accompt
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within their seasons is silly as far as like their
playoff runs. Like, do I think that the Celtics played
a tougher team in the NBA Finals? Absolutely, that Dallas
Mavericks team was a tougher team than the banged up
Miami Heat team that the Lakers played in twenty twenty.
But if you stack up all the teams, Dame and
CJ McCollum in round one, James Harden at the peak
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of his powers in Russell Westbrook in the second round,
Nikole Jokic and Jamal Murray, the same team that beat
that Clippers team that everyone swore was the best team
in the league like Lebron and the Lakers executed those
guys put him out of there in five. So like
I believe the Lakers played tougher teams overall in that
playoff run, not that it matters. All I care about
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is the twenty twenty Lakers on a basketball court for
a seven game series against the twenty twenty four Celtics.
Who's gonna win. I've got the two best players in
the series. Anthony Davis was a better basketball player in
the twenty twenty playoffs than either of Jaylen Brown or
Jason Tatum. He just was. Lebron James was the best
basketball player alive in twenty twenty. Those are the two
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best players in the series. Okay, let's talk about matchups.
What is Boston's biggest advantage that can space you out
in drive and kick you to death? Well, what is
the closing five for that Los Angeles Lakers team. Alex
Crusoe elite perimeter defender with size, KCP elite perimeter defender
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with size, Danny Green very good perimeter defender with size.
Lebron James, who in twenty twenty was still one of
the best defensive players in the league, and that was
one of his best defensive seasons. It was better than
all of his seasons in Cleveland, and Anthony Davis, who
was the best defensive player alive. That team is constructed
to guard the Boston Celtics, all big, mobile perimeter defenders
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and a super versatile front line. And then on the
other end of the floor. Yes, Boston was an elite
perimeter defense team, but Lebron James and Anthony Davis are
matchup nightmares for them. On the front line. Anthony Davis
would have given Chris hop Sportzincis fits on the low block,
especially in that twenty twenty season. Lebron James, there's not
a guy on the Celtics that could have guarded him
in twenty twenty. So like in my opinion, I've got
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the best players in this series. In terms of the
x'es and o's, the Lakers match up extremely well. I
just think that that twenty twenty Lakers team is the
best basketball team that I've seen since the twenty eighteen
Warriors with Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. I've said that consistently.
We got to get a little bit into the basketball today.
I understand. I expect you guys to disagree. If you're
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a Celtics fan, lay it out in the comments. You
guys know I read the comments. Jason, Here's why you're wrong.
Xyz basketball basketball basketball. If you just tell me, oh,
they were the most dominant team this season, I don't
care about that. There's not a metric that the Celtics
did this year that is substantially more impressive than what
the twenty twenty Lakers did. So like, if you have
a basketball case, I want to hear it. Let's get
into it, let's debate a little bit. But I believe
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the twenty twenty Lakers would beat the twenty twenty four
Celtics in a playoff series. All right, guys, that is
all I have for today. As always, to sincerely appreciate
you guys for supporting the show. I again, we have
the Himahakas interview coming up tomorrow, and then I'm gonna
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USA a hell of a battle and we ended up
with the Lebron James game winner. And then Germany likewise
takes a fourth quarter lead against USA today and once
again Lebron James down the stretch eleven points in the
final four minutes. I want to talk a little bit
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that means and what makes it interesting. I want to
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because I think there are some misconceptions about Foeba basketball
and how tough these games actually are. But I think
we can all agree they shouldn't be in you know,
clutch time slugfest every single night either, So they're clearly
underachieving a little bit. So we're gonna talk a little
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less announcement before we get started. I recorded an interview
with Himahawk as junior like eleven days ago. Then it
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finally got approved, So that's gonna be airing on the
feed tomorrow morning at seven am Pacific Standard time. I'm
gonna tweet out another reminder of it tonight, but it
was really fun for my first time ever interviewing an
NBA player. Heimahak has also just had a very productive
Summer league, as he got named second Team All Summer League,
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dove into a bunch of stuff with the USA Select Team,
his time with the Miami Heat, his development as a
post score. I thought it was really interesting. I'm excited
for you guys to see that that's gonna be on
the feeds tomorrow morning at seven am. And again, thank
you guys for your patience on that front. So why
why is it such a big deal that in these
big moments on Team USA that Lebron James seems to
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be the guy that is most comfortable taking things over
and bringing the team home. And the reason why simple
these are really high pressure moments, Like any loss for
this team is a disaster. Imagine the news cycle this
morning on all your favorite shows if South Sudan had
won on Saturday. Imagine the news cycle tomorrow if they
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had barely escaped South Sudan on Saturday and then somehow
blown well, I mean, they were trailing in the fourth
quarter against Germany today, Like what if they had lost
that game? Imagine the new cycle tomorrow. I like, for
as far as the Lebron stuff goes, I have a
lot of guys who listen to this show who are
not Lebron fans, who are dislike Lebron. It's not not
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a huge shock. He's a very polarizing player, right, But
there are a lot of you, I know that had
Lebron gotten blocked on that right handed layup against South Sudan,
or if he had settled for a pull up jump
shot and missed it, you know, damn well, the kind
of things you would have been saying. Right, these are
high pressure moments. There's a lot to lose here. Obviously,
they're not in the actual elimination games, and that will
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add another layer to things when they get to that point.
But these are really high pressure moments, and Lebron is
taking a personal responsibility in that situation. To be responsible
for the outcome in high pressure moments on a basketball team,
it requires a huge amount of confidence in your ability
to grab the reins and take that personal responsibility in
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the outcome. And again we know what Lebron's abilities are.
He's bigger and stronger and faster than the majority of
players in the world, which is insane at his age,
but it's the truth. I think this game against Germany
was an excellent kind of showcase for Lebron's footwork. I
always talk about the idea of a score getting to
their spots right, and to get to your spots, there
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are multiple elements there. There's a floor vision piece. You
got to be going at the right times when the
spacing on the floor actually dictates that there's an opportunity
for you to get to a spot on the floor.
So there's like a basketball like Q element of it.
You also have to pass yourself into those opportunities. As
a primary ball handler, there is a massive brain and
IQ element to it. The second piece of it is skill.
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You got to have the ball control to get to
where you are where you're trying to get to while
having enough control over the basketball to then get to
a shot, whether it's a fade away over your right shoulder,
a fade away over your left shoulder, or a float
or a hook shot, or whatever it might be. There's
a skill element.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
The third element to it is footwork. You actually have
to be able to get there without traveling while also
doing it against elite athletes. And the only way you're
going to do it against elite athletes is if you
have the footwork to be efficient with your movements while
you go to that spot. So, for instance, if you
waste energy with a negative step, if you waste energy
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by having to hop instead of getting to a one
to two because you're uncomfortable getting your foot to that spot,
if you can drop step towards the baseline but you
only can shoot and you don't have a step through,
then an athlete can beat you to that spot and
put you into some trouble. There is a footwork piece
to getting from point A to point B as well.
How many times did you see in that fourth quarter
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run from Lebron where he would get into the lane
and then pump, bake and wait for dudes around him
to get out of position and then pivot without traveling
and get to an easy spot underneath the basket for
him to then unleash his size and strength for that
little right handed bank shot. Right, Like, all of those
elements are important for a player to get to their spots.
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There are a lot of guys in the league that
are incredibly skilled, that have every dribble combination in the
book and every pull up jump shot in the book,
but they don't see the floor well enough to know
when to go to their spots, or they don't pass
the ball well enough to keep the help defense home,
or maybe they don't have the footwork to get to
that spot. There are a lot of guys that have
all of the footwork and have all of the vision,
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but don't have the scoring ability.
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Right.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We've seen guys like Ben Simmons in the NBA that
have struggled with that, right. It's very rare to have
a player that actually kind of has it all, and
that's part of what has made Lebron so good over
his career. He's got the size and strength, he's got
the footwork, he's got the skill shots that he needs
to get to to finish those plays. The second half
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run against South Sudan. I want to kind of go
through the specifics of the way he took over these
two games. So in the South Sudan game, for instance,
right around the start of the second half, things were
getting a little ugly as they came out. They want
a little run, but then so they pushed it right
back up to sixteen and it looked like there was
going to be some trouble, and Lebron actually kind of
took over the offense for the majority of that second half,
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and he was kind of playing in that role that
I talked about a lot after the Serbia game, which
is like at the top of the key while there's
off ball action happening around him. It's kind of like
functioning similarly to the way that Draymond Green functions within
the Golden State offense, except for Lebron's obviously a much
higher level offensive player. But he was hitting a lot
of back cuts and like getting into the lane and
making drop off passes, kicks to shooters, hitting steph as
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he was running off of off ball action. He was
kind of just functioning as the hub. Hit a couple
of bit pull up threes, during that stretch as well.
But then on the game winner, he just unleashed his
superpowered again. That was crazy again after JT Thor at
that step back three in the right corner, Sudan was
up with twenty seconds left. If Lebron misses that shot,
they lose the game. If Lebron settles for a jumper
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there and misses it, they lose the game. There was
some real pressure there, and what was cool was like
Lebron just went to old reliable. He went to that
like hesitation har dribble to the left, clear out with
that off arm to get separation, and then he's a
big Lebron has a great left hand, but he's big
right hand on the left side of the rim because
he turns his back and he kind of like uses
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his back as a shield to prevent the player from
coming over the top, and then he'll extend with that
right hand and finish at the rim. Huge huge play.
The late run against Germany a big part of it too,
Like he ramped up as an athlete down the stretch
of that game. He was kind of in chill mode
for the middle portion of that Germany game. He had
three huge defensive rebounds down the stretch where he just
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beat everybody to the back basketball right in between his
cut off of the Joel Embid layup and the full
court post up where he got the layup. The back
to back layups he had right in between those two plays.
He made the first layup, a lefty layup that sent
him into the cameras he turned around and sprinted the
floor and got a steel in transition as he beat
everybody to a passing lane. Like he can scale up
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as an athlete when he needs to in these moments.
Is he gonna do that for an eighty two game season. No,
But in these singular moments, he can still elevate his
game to a level that most people on the planet
can't get to. And then again, like that, a Joel
Embiid was posting on the right block, Lebron's man digged down.
As soon as he dug down, Lebron just cut in
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that slot and beat nice pass and bead had a
Embiad was getting getting torched on defense, but he had
a much better offensive game in this particular game. Embiad
also had a huge block at the rim that led
to the Anthony Edwards dunk, which sneaky crazy move was
that left to right cross over the transition that was
super smooth, but Lebron cutting off the slot on the
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mbid post up. Then right after he gets the transition steal,
he gives up the basketball and runs up the right
side of the floor again doing your job. Like you
got the steal, you're out of position to be the
ball handler. Give it to the ball handler. Sprint up
the wing. He gets inside position on his defenders, stays
a little bit too much high and above him on
his left shoulder side. Lebron catches, dribbles into the post,
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goes through him and Schroeder at the rim, and gets
the layup. There was the right wing three. Daniel Tice
was guarding Lebron and was digging way down into the lane.
Most of these teams don't have guys that can guard Lebron,
and so what they've been doing is just playing way
off of him and daring him to shoot. But as
we know, Lebron just had the best jump shooting season
of his career. So Lebron hung out on that right wing,
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knocked down the huge three to put him up four,
and then the late game possession. It was kind of
a fascinating sequence because one of Germany's wings was on
Steph and Schroeder was on Lebron, and Schroeder did not
want to get switched off of Lebron. Steph was trying
to screen him so that he could get so that
he could get a slower defender on Lebron. And I
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get it, like Schroeder's quicker and can kind of hang
out with Lebron laterally, but Lebron's just so much bigger
than him, and Schroeder, for whatever reason, would not concede
the switch. He stayed, fought through the screen, stayed with Lebron.
Lebron just turned his back and like bullied him from
the three point line, did that hardcore spin move towards
the baseline, pump fake, then step through. Beautiful footwork. I
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clipped that play. I mean, you don't have to look
at my feet. You can find it anywhere on social
media right now, but beautiful footwork from Lebron to get
it done. That was fun to watch. The crazy thing
is he's clearly been the best player on this team.
Now is he the best guy for an eighty two
game regular season? Like, is Lebron going to be able
to bring it as an athlete from early October to
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mid June the way these other guys can. No, obviously not.
But if he gets to a playoff series, if he
gets to a situation where it's a small sample size
and everything is on the line and he is healthy, yeah,
there's that Jokic tier. Jokic, Luca Jannis. I'm not sure
Lebron can reach that level in those situations anymore, but
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everybody that's below that tier in a big spot, he's
better than all those guys. And this is the latest
example of that. Don't let the incompetence of Genie bust
and the Lakers distract you from the fact that Lebron
has been playing at a top five level late into
his thirties. Don't don't let the issues that the Purple
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and Gold have been having, which are extensive and go
well beyond things that Lebron James is doing, Don't let
that distract you from the level of basketball that he's playing.
Like it's insane that on a team that has all
these guys that are in their twenties, in their early thirties,
in their primes, that he is the guy that is
able to meet this occasion and take control of the
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way that he has been. It's a testament to his greatness.
It's a testament to the respect that these guys have
for him, that they trust him, and he's not failing.
It's not like he's hijacking the reins and failing. He's
taking control and getting it done, getting it down resoundingly.
It's insane. As a Lebron fan watching him with this
team USA has been one of the cooler experiences rooting
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for him that I've had over the years. But let's
talk about TMSA as a whole for a little bit.
So what's going on with TMOSA. It's not a concern
to me that they aren't beating teams by thirty. This
is not the FOBA of nineteen ninety two. These are
really good basketball teams, and this showcase cycle has been
mostly really good teams. Serbia really good team, Germany really
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good team, Canada really good team, and Australia is tough
and Sausudan. Their odds to win the gold medal improved
ten times after that game because everyone saw like, oh,
they might actually be the most athletic team in the tournament.
They're super long, they play super hard, they've got a
couple of really good guards, and they can play like
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these are real basketball teams. These are go if you
were to go watch FOBA in nineteen ninety two, it's
an entirely different level of competition. So like thinking that
they're just gonna rip through everybody the way the Dream
Team did, that's not going to happen. That said, should
they be in real crunch time as frequently as they
have been against these teams, No, So I think we
can all agree that the team is underachieving to a
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certain extent. That goes without saying, But I think it
primarily has to do with lineup construction. So, for instance,
the starters in particular are really struggling to defensive rebound
and to guard the ball. Like at the point of attack, Well,
you have to run drop coverage because Joel Embiid can't
guard on the perimeter. So you have a big man
that forces you to chase over the top of screens.
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In a lineup with Devin Booker, who's an average athlete
and not a guy who's known getting over screens, Lebron
who's almost forty, and Steph who's almost thirty seven, that's
what you have out there with the big that reques
fires you to chase over at the top of the screen.
That should be a switching unit, and you need Anthony
Davis at center in order to do what you need
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to do to be a switching a switching unit. With
that group, right, you're struggling to defensive rebound, but you're
playing a three guard lineup. Not only three guards, but
two of those guards are Steph who turns thirty seven
next season, and Devin Booker, who's a mediocre athlete, and
Lebron who's forty, and Joel Embiid, who is slow footed
and out of shape. Of course, you can't rebound. That
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lineup is not a good rebounding lineup. If you put
Anthony Davis in for Joel Embiid, you instantly become way
faster and way longer, and you can start doing the
switching that you need to make that unit work defensively.
If you put Kevin Durant when he's healthy, in for
Devin Booker, you immediately become a much better defensive rebounding team.
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And guess what, Kevin Durant struggles to chase over screen.
So that needs to be a switching group. So literally,
just Katie Healthy in for Devin Booker Ady and for
Joel Embiid solves the majority of the issues for that lineup.
They instantly become way better rebounding, They instantly become faster,
and they instantly become a switching group, which is what
they need to be to function defensively. Anyway, the bench
groups are really struggling to execute offense. In the half court,
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They've been awesome defensively, The Bam Tatum ad front court
has been insane defensively. Anthony Edwards has done his fair
share of shot making, but overall in the half court
they're just a little clunky. Well, Embiid is an offensive
firepower machine. He's a hub that you can throw in there.
Adding Joel Embiid to that group should really help. And
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Embiid is slow footed, but that lineup would have Anthony Edwards,
Jason Tatum, and bam Adebayo all really athletic. It can
help hide the foot speed issues that you have, especially
if you end up moving Devin Booker into that group
right which I'm assuming he'd go into that spot and
then probably Derek White would fall out of the lineup,
or if it ends up being Derek White, who knows,
But that group makes more sense offense. You've got these
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tunnel vision guys and aunt Joel Embiid, but let him
play to tunnel vision basketball. Let them play your turn,
my turn basketball in that unit. Oh, you need to
run drop with Joel Embiid, well, Anthony Edwards and Jason
Tatum and Bamba, they're just way more athletic. That's a
group that is more equipped to run drop. You have
Derek White in with your bench group right now, and
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Derek White are both substantially better athletes than Stephan Devin Booker,
so it makes sense within that group. So again, like
I think, just a couple of lineup tweaks will put
this team right back on the right track. And here's
the thing. We gotta be honest with ourselves here. It's
very possible that Steve Kerr is under a directive from
Team USA to make sure that Embiid is starting very well,
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maybe the reason why Embide is on this team for
all we know, I haven't heard anything specific about that,
but I mean, I put it like this, I believe
Steve Kerr sees what we're seeing, and I think he's
way too smart of a basketball mine to not know it,
I would imagine he knows, which makes me think that
there might be some sort of directive, a big giveaway
there is. Today, in the final minutes in crunch time,
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Anthony Davis ended up getting in that five spot, which
I thought was interesting as an indicator of Steve's like
true belief system there. But if it is the case
that embiid has a guaranteed starting spot and Kirk can't
bump him and they have to continue these janky ass
lineup groupings for the majority of these games, then this
team is vulnerable, no question, because the current lineup groupings
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are funky and redundant, and they underachieve, And so yeah,
I think they're a lot closer to being more dominant
than we think just by making a couple of simple tweaks.
It's weird to me that it's taken this long, but
I would imagine there are some extraneous circumstances that are
kind of influencing that in terms of the basketball politics
at play.
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All right, I've got three fake questions for you guys
before we get out of here for the day. Question
number one, Jason, you are a Lebron fan, but you
still have MJ as your goat. Does Lebron's superstar play
extending into his forties change that for you at all?
It does? I did a bit on the Lebron MJ debate.
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I want to say it was at least two years ago.
I think it was the summer after I first started
with the volume. Might even have been earlier than that.
But I made the case for both, and it was
very simple. MJ's case is dominance. There was no player
that was close to as good as him for so long,
and they won so frequently in that window there in
the nineties, that just the gap between him and the
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rest of the league. It almost looks like an outlier
data point, right, And so that would be MJ's case dominance.
Lebron's case is longevity. Lebron's case is, hey, you're there's
thirty nbagms and you get to pick from every player
in NBA history, like their whole careers. You get them
from the day they're drafted to the day they hang
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them up. And this is just first pick, so it's
not in the context of another team you have to
draft a team around that guy. Who do you take?
You take Lebron because with Lebron, I'm getting twenty two
years of top five level play. Maybe if you're being
picky and you're saying, like, oh, the twenty twenty three
year he was kind of rough, and his rookie year
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he was kind of rough, and he was you know,
injured in the twenty nineteen season. Okay, so nineteen seasons,
nineteen seasons of top five play. That's insane at a
certain point. By having that, I just give my team
a really good chance to win a lot of championships
because I have that level of consistent greatness at the top.
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Now am I ready to swap my pick? Because right
now I do have MJ as the goat. I want
to wait until after the Olympics before I make that
sort of stand. But if Lebron continues to lead this
team the way that he has and in the real
elimination games again lifts this team avera over the top,
that to me would be such a strong indicator that
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he's the best American player in the year twenty twenty
four at age thirty nine years old, which is such
an insane accomplishment that you're piggybacking on what was already
insane two years ago. And so at that point I
would have no choice, I think, but to acknowledge that.
But again, I'm gonna wait until after the Olympics. But
I used to be pretty pretty you know, entrenched on
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that MJ one Lebron two stance, and I'm starting to
soften a little bit on that, just because this is
getting ridiculous. Guys, Jason, what do you make of Joel
Embiid's comments recently to the New York Times. So those
of you guys who didn't see this, and I'm sure
most of you did, but Joel Embiid had some comments
about this isn't the same team that it looks to
be on paper, and Lebron's not as good as he
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used to be, and Steph isn't as good as he
used to be here, and he specifically said that this
team doesn't have a talent advantage, which I think is ridiculous,
like the score is notwithstanding, I think TAMSA does have
a substantial talent advantage. Is it anywhere near as why
does it wasn in nineteen ninety two? Obviously not. The
global teams have gotten way better. We talked about that earlier.
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But I do think this team USA team is more talented.
And so that comment is just strange because it's under
selling your teammates to try to like out of like,
to try to like. It's like a weird kind of
like pressure deflecting type of comment that to me is silly.
Like this team should win, it's a disaster. If they don't,
they absolutely have a huge talent advantage. The second piece
(26:30):
of it was in Beat said that he thought he
could potentially have been the goat had he not been injured.
And here's the thing. Yeah maybe, but like I've we've
all been there. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend
like I haven't tried to make an excuse in my life.
I've had bad days at the gym where I'm in
the car on the way home and I'm like, I'm
dealing with XYZ and this is why I'm not playing well.
(26:53):
Like the hell, Like, I get busy with work sometimes
and I just don't get to go to the gym
a lot. And then I'll go to the gym and
I won't be as good as I usually and I'll
be like, ah, I hate being this busy because I
don't get to work on my game as much as
I want to. Here's what I've discovered, and I guarantee
you you guys have all discovered the same thing in
your journeys. People don't care about excuses. They never have
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When you're at the gym and you're busting someone's ass
and he says something about, oh, my legs are sore.
Oh I'm dealing with this injury. You don't give a fuck, Like, no,
no one cares about excuses, and that's that's why it's
such a loser mentality, Like that's the thing. It's like, yeah,
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maybe you were the goat. Maybe these injuries have derailed
a potentially all time great type of career. But the
reality is is time and time again, you get to
those spots and you can't come through. And I guarantee you,
as you're getting pull up threes put in your face
by Jason Tatum in Game seven, or as you're that
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was just the deeve end of the floor as you
look scared to make a post move against Al Horford,
no one's sitting there going like that guy could have
been the goat, but he just had some injuries. No,
they're going, what the hell's wrong with Joel Embiid. People
don't care about excuses, and that's the thing. Excuses are real.
There are real reasons why things go the way that
they go. Absolutely there are factors that can affect your performance.
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But expecting, like putting that energy into the public serves
no purpose. You know what I'd like to hear. I'd
like to hear nothing as Joel Embiid privately goes, I
have unfulfilled potential, and this is the year that I
get it all taken care of. I come in in
crazy good shape and I figure it all out and
I kick everyone's ass. If you're that type of talent,
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show us the world will rally around you as soon
as you do. But like, yeah, putting that energy out
there in that in the public that like, oh, like
what if this? What if that? Nobody cares? Nobody cares.
They never have if you go about life expecting to
get pats on the back in support for what's going on,
that's causing you problems. Like people don't care. They just don't.
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They only care about themselves and their family and advancing
their own interests. That's the only thing people care about.
I know it's kind of nihilistic, but it's just what
I think is what I think to be the truth. Jason,
you said on Twitter the other day that you think
the twenty twenty Lakers would beat the twenty twenty four
Celtics in a series. Can you explain why? So? I
tweeted this out the other day and I didn't think
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it was that big of a deal. And then everyone
freaked out. But I want to kind of get into
some of the specifics here because I don't think it's
as crazy as people are making it sound. First of all,
the twenty twenty Lakers were also a dominant basketball team.
The twenty twenty four Celtics were more dominant on paper.
For sure, they won more games, they had a larger
net rating, But there's context there. Playing in a historically
(29:53):
weak Eastern Conference. The Western Conference won the vast majority
of games and had to head matchups against the East.
This last year's going to inflate net rating statistics. It
just is you're playing more lesser teams in the Eastern Conference.
That's going to inflate your advanced metrics. That's going to
make things a little bit easier, right. But even though
the Celtics were more dominant on paper than the twenty
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twenty Lakers, the twenty twenty Lakers were also insanely dominant.
Here are some basic stats to express that for you.
The twenty twenty Lakers started twenty four and three guys
twenty four and three. They won twenty four of their
first twenty seven games they won before the stoppage when
the when COVID shut down the season they were winning
at a sixty four win pace. Guess how many games
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the Celtics won sixty four and the Lakers did it
in a substantially tougher conference. In this playoff run, the
Celtics had a plus fifteen net rating in their sixteen wins,
meaning they won by an average of fifteen points per
one hundred possessions. The Lakers were plus twelve. That's also
super dominant. So like, the idea that there is like
this chasm between these two champions and what they accompt
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within their seasons is silly as far as like their
playoff runs. Like, do I think that the Celtics played
a tougher team in the NBA Finals? Absolutely, that Dallas
Mavericks team was a tougher team than the banged up
Miami Heat team that the Lakers played in twenty twenty.
But if you stack up all the teams, Dame and
CJ McCollum in round one, James Harden at the peak
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of his powers in Russell Westbrook in the second round,
Nikole Jokic and Jamal Murray, the same team that beat
that Clippers team that everyone swore was the best team
in the league like Lebron and the Lakers executed those
guys put him out of there in five. So like
I believe the Lakers played tougher teams overall in that
playoff run, not that it matters. All I care about
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is the twenty twenty Lakers on a basketball court for
a seven game series against the twenty twenty four Celtics.
Who's gonna win. I've got the two best players in
the series. Anthony Davis was a better basketball player in
the twenty twenty playoffs than either of Jaylen Brown or
Jason Tatum. He just was. Lebron James was the best
basketball player alive in twenty twenty. Those are the two
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best players in the series. Okay, let's talk about matchups.
What is Boston's biggest advantage that can space you out
in drive and kick you to death? Well, what is
the closing five for that Los Angeles Lakers team. Alex
Crusoe elite perimeter defender with size, KCP elite perimeter defender
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with size, Danny Green very good perimeter defender with size.
Lebron James, who in twenty twenty was still one of
the best defensive players in the league, and that was
one of his best defensive seasons. It was better than
all of his seasons in Cleveland, and Anthony Davis, who
was the best defensive player alive. That team is constructed
to guard the Boston Celtics, all big, mobile perimeter defenders
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and a super versatile front line. And then on the
other end of the floor. Yes, Boston was an elite
perimeter defense team, but Lebron James and Anthony Davis are
matchup nightmares for them. On the front line. Anthony Davis
would have given Chris hop Sportzincis fits on the low block,
especially in that twenty twenty season. Lebron James, there's not
a guy on the Celtics that could have guarded him
in twenty twenty. So like in my opinion, I've got
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the best players in this series. In terms of the
x'es and o's, the Lakers match up extremely well. I
just think that that twenty twenty Lakers team is the
best basketball team that I've seen since the twenty eighteen
Warriors with Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. I've said that consistently.
We got to get a little bit into the basketball today.
I understand. I expect you guys to disagree. If you're
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a Celtics fan, lay it out in the comments. You
guys know I read the comments. Jason, Here's why you're wrong.
Xyz basketball basketball basketball. If you just tell me, oh,
they were the most dominant team this season, I don't
care about that. There's not a metric that the Celtics
did this year that is substantially more impressive than what
the twenty twenty Lakers did. So like, if you have
a basketball case, I want to hear it. Let's get
into it, let's debate a little bit. But I believe
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the twenty twenty Lakers would beat the twenty twenty four
Celtics in a playoff series. All right, guys, that is
all I have for today. As always, to sincerely appreciate
you guys for supporting the show. I again, we have
the Himahakas interview coming up tomorrow, and then I'm gonna
end up recording a mail bag later this week. I
will see you guys then.
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