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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right. Our three to Tuesday, flown by Joel Klatt,
Paul Pierce. So good, Mark Sanchez coming up, playing the
hits man, just playing the hits very we got big
ten updates, Olympic team updates, Mark Sanchez in studio today.
We're right in the middle of the summer. It feels
like the season we've just hivoted to the season. Very
(00:49):
exciting times. We still got some you know, we just
got some volleyball tournaments in.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
This Olympics coming up.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
My son and my daughter Perry, both arrived different flights.
They're all fired up. Got to give them credit back
of the bus.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You're putting up in a five star hotel.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Nope, youth hostel.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
No, there's no way, zero chance your kids are staying
at hostels and.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
PA Blue Economy over there.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh, you're such a liar.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm telling you the way it works.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Don't you just put them in steerage? I mean just
be like, hey, I can't afford it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Sorry, guys, I'm not going to disincentivize kids. Oh yeah,
get out there and lift heavy things.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And so any way, did you ever take your kids
to the gym and you guys just throw some weights
around or no, A.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Couple of times it's fun, right, Not really? No, I
like to work out and leave. I get in, get out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm not you're such a social butterfly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, don't come on, that's not That's not me. I'm
an America's honesty broker, not America's social broker. Mark Sanchez
fifteen minutes. Well, what a surprise. The Jets drama continues
Hasan Reddicks refusing to come to camp, and whether it's
Aaron Rodgers not coming to mini camp, or Nat Hackett
(02:08):
needing a babysit, or the Jets continue to be distracted
by enysfunction.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
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Speaker 1 (02:21):
By the way, j Mac guy just looking over there,
there's a little is it breaking news on the San
Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Altis it breaking news?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (02:29):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You want to save it for Herdliner?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Just not I mean, just give the audience a peak.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Brandon Ayuk is reporting in training camp today.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So all the threats that Debo made, he got signed.
All the threats I you made, he's reporting the camp.
So it's a lot of wipe your social media ghost
everybody in the organization.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And then I don't want to get fined, so I'm
sure you yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
By the way, that's players have agreed to that stuff.
Those those fines for not showing up are real.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They don't have a lot of power.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The players in the NFL, well they you know, it's
the weakest union and they play the fewest games, and
that's the reality. They split revenues. So whenever I hear,
you know, anybody crying about, oh the gambling revenue, they
split that. The players do very very well. They do
very well.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They also the punishment on their bodies is worse than
any other sport.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Again, they have one tenth the game, so.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Shortest career shelf life like Lebron at thirty nine there's
gonna there's like one place.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, Lebron most NBA players at thirty six or a shot.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hurry Curry's are all NBA, Durant's all NBA.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Ron Brady played the forty five. That's it. Well, quarterbacks
now play late thirties, late thirties. I mean they get
paid late thirties. And this idea that the NFL players
are hobbling around. This is not guys playing on concrete
like in the seventies.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, but we're talking one out of fifty guys.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, but I mean again, go to a Super Bowl,
the teams will be missing one starter due to injury.
I mean, the padded practices in the last CBA have
gone from twenty eight to sixteen sixteen padded practices before
the season.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And nobody hits in the regular season. And now you're
gonna get a second by you have Thursday games, so
you get another longer week off. Like those those Thursday games,
you don't even practice for those. They build in that
prep before the season. So it's this idea that oh
it pun Yes, it's a very physical sport. For sixty
snaps on Sunday wasnton a week. Yeah, you know, I'm not.
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I mean Andrew Whitworth was forty when he retired and
could have kept playing. Was still an elite left tackle,
and that's a tackle. There's a lot of that. A
lot of these great players in this league are thirty
three and up have been playing since like eighth grade.
I think football is a lot safer today. Kickoff now
just got eliminated. Hitting it practice like done once the
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season starts. Padded practices cut in half. I mean guys
like McVeigh, like, we're very early on this, like five
years ago. They just cut significant padded days out of practice.
It's two a days done, don't do them. Concussion protocol
taken much more seriously, Medical staffs excellent, Like this is
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not seventies eighties NFL. Trent Williams is thirty six, thirty six,
all those collisions. Still the best left tackling football. Whitworth
played to forty. Kelsey just retired and was the best
center in the leader years old. Yeah, he retired with
over one hundred million in net worth and could have
still played, and he plays. In my opinion, the most
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punishing position in football is nose tackling center.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
There's I mean, that's the tush push. Like those two
positions are just wrestling. At least left tackle. You occasionally
can just push a guy out of the way.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
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Speaker 1 (05:50):
Mark Sanchez has great stuff today. Do you know he
got Mark Sanchez? Do you know who got game one
of Caleb Williams's career? Mark? How great is that? For
an opener Titans at the Bears Week one on Fox?
That is a I mean, that's a great opening assignment.
I don't know if it was last year or two
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years ago.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He had Titans Giants in Week one and I told him,
I'm like, oh that isn't a great betting spot, and
nailed it. I think he gets Titans every year, maybe
week one, Maybe he gets some Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Such a new thing here at Fox. We give him
the Titans. Mark Sanchez is the Titans guy. I don't
think you want to see guy, but I'm telling you
you look over week one. You can't tell me two
games I'd rather be at than that one. Caleb Williams
home opener Chicago.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Jets forty nine ers come on, bro, that's gotta be
top billing.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think the first half of that'll be interesting. J
mank with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
All right.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
So I was on vacation when you did your rant
about how this team for USA Olympics is better than
the Dream Team, and a lot of people are like,
you gotta get back and get to talk to Cowherd.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, Colin, you have some backup now.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
As if I wasn't enough, Serbia's head coach, remember Serbia
just faced the twenty twenty four team, said that this
team is better than the original nineteen ninety two Dream Team.
And by the way, he was coaching in those Olympics
for Germany against the US. They got someashed of course,
And Colin, I'm just telling you there is like a
groundswell of people who know basketball and are saying, yeah,
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this team is way better, way better than the Dream team.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, you got to remember bad Bird was shot and
Magic was near the end. Lebron at thirty nine is
still absolutely a top five player in the league. And
our bench is a d Tatum potentially Bam out of
Bayou's our bench. They think the bench is and also
it's just positionless basketball outside of ad and maybe bam,
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everybody here can dribble and shoot a three. Yeah, that's
not what that team was. It was defined role. Barkley
was one of the only guys that could score from
the perimeter, transition or low block like Charles was one
oh one. That's what basketball is now. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So the other stat that is, I know it's vexing
to dream Team truthers. In the ninety two Olympics, they
faced nine NBA players collectively connely and the whole of nine,
that's a nine. Do you want to guess how many
there are in this Olympics forty one sixty one, but
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like seven almost four time.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Jordan's dream team didn't face combined an entire roster of
NBA players. This is five rosters. So I got news
for you in terms of depth of skill and dexterity,
there's a much better team. Yeah, not even clas It's
not even close.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So we played Germany yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Germany in ninety two had one NBA player, Debt left
Shremp that's it good player. Germany yesterday had four guys
who were NBA starters within the last three years. Tice, Shrewder,
the Wagner brothers, Like, it's really not close, and I'm
with you on this. You know, we disagree a lot,
but I'm with you. Next up, here's the Brandon Ayuk news.
He is reporting to forty nine Ers training camp today
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despite the trade request. Now, we don't know what's going
on with negotiations. Apparently nothing has been really happening since May,
which is not great on that front line. Forty nine
Ers linebacker Fred Warner said that this situation with Ayuk
is actually a good thing for the team.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
And when you're part of such a talented roster, I
feel like this.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Is something that goes on every season and it's a
good issue to have because obviously that means that your
players are performing at such a high level that you know,
you have to have these kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, I mean, he's got to show up. He doesn't
want to get fined for not going to camp, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, And I think he's still under contract. It's a
winning organization that takes care of its players. He doesn't
have to carry the load. He is among four to
five really crucial offensive players. It's a system that has
benefited him and he's benefited the system. But it's it's,
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you know, he's not like a running back getting forty
eight carries. They've got Jennings, Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle, Ayuk. They
just drafted two receivers, So I don't you know, scrubbing
your social media and pouting in the offseason, it's I
think it behooves him to show up, and I do
think if he you know, I'm in a minority here,
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but I do think they will up to the trade
deadline take calls. I feel like every team has certain
players that are the soul of the team. I think
Piney sewell for the Lions, like like the offensive line
runs that machine. Pinee sewel Amaran Saint Brown Goff feel
like the machine. I think for the Niners at Shanahan, McCaffrey,
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Bosa and and like Debo, they're physical. Kittle maybe I
don't think he feels quite as culturally relevant, but yet
he's a great player.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
They're gonna need him in Week one against Sauce Gardner
and the Jets. They will need a Yuk in Week one.
That's let's be real, got to stretch the field against us.
Who is such an elite quarterback. Like final story, Jamar
Chase eligible for a contract extension. Doesn't look like he's
gonna get it done before the season. Bengals president Mike
Brown said a new deal is unlikely now that training
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camp is starting, but that the team will bend over
backwards to make sure a deal does get done at
some point. So Bengals players are reporting today, and I
believe we have photos of Chase and Burrow both flexing
new looks. So Chase is chopped off all his hair,
and look at January Joe Burrow glass, Joe going with
the blonde hair.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I know you're a big fan. He's looking like eminem
a little bit there. Fluorescent shirt, very very good.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
By the way, the staff found a photo that is
the inspiration for Burrow's new look. Jason mcinde, how old
I did that?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I was like twenty Thanks for doing that, man, thanks
a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I thought we were friends.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That wasn't my idea. It was a staff. They just
put it on my screen.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Somebody's gonna get somebody's catching heat. We take it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Can we take it down before Sanchez's I don't need
my friends seeing this, all right?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Calling I didn't do this, damn it. Well, I mean,
you put a putt.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
This is a national TV show.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You put it on your Instagram.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Stories, not on the not on the main page.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So you're upset that you you.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Don't even follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Don't follow anybody on Instagram. I'm not even on my Instagram.
I've never read a comment on my Instagram. I barely
go to X.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Are you gonna call it facemash now? Like Belichick is
eighteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Snapchat or snap Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You must have had game because your wife accepted a
date based on that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
That was for like two weeks in college, goofing off
a lady loved it.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Hey, I'm not judging it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm
not judging dual ear rings. That's not who I am.
You want you, You do what you gotta do, and
it benefited you, beautiful family. Thanks you did whatever, not
an area I would have gone. But I mean, I
am totally okay with it. All right, boy, we love
having him on. You can sense when football season is back.
When Mark Sanchez joins the show ten years in the NFL,
(13:27):
Fox Sports analyst say nothing. Listen, I could see I
was saying this what a good assignment? Like when did
you know?
Speaker 6 (13:38):
When?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Do?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't know how it works here during the course
of the week, you do a game, you fly home,
do you learn in like an hour what your game is?
Do you know where you're going?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Depending? That's funny and need to be wise with my words.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Here, we get it's slated every week, right the A
crew is going to get the A game. Those games
for sure get toggled back and forth between networks, and
some games get flex whatever. So usually at the beginning
of the season, and you know your first right now
where Titans at Bear? So we know our opening game,
and then pretty soon here we'll probably get the next
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three because those first four weeks of the season there's
no real bad game. Everything's kind of up for grabs.
We're still trying to figure everybody out, understand their identity,
and then okay, where do we want to play these games?
And then we'll know hopefully after the game we're calling
at the latest the latest I've ever gotten. It was
also like the year after COVID things were pretty hectic.
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I think we ended up calling a game on Tuesday
and didn't know the next game until like that night,
So that one, it's rare it ever happens like that.
They do a great job of giving us, you know,
as much leadway and lead time as possible to study,
but it gets a little hectic, especially the last few
weeks of the season when flexing starts, and you know,
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
What's interesting. You get the Bears hosting the Titans, But
what's fascinating about the game is not just Chicago Nolan
Levis this is his career. Now, he gets a new
offensive coordinator. They've made serious upgrades at receiver. So this
sort of defensive led Tennessee team, No, they're not the
same thing. So whereas Caleb will be the star, yep,
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Tennessee is a fascinating team now, so.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
You got's it?
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Yeah, it's a fascinating Tennessee team with a new look identity. Right, No,
Derick Henry defense, are we a defensive identified He No,
not really anymore, not with coach Callahan. That's an offensive guy.
So what does that look like? And we'll dive into that.
I'm sure, uh for that opening game, but I know
you wanted to talk about Caleb.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
What is rookies or rookies The game's faster until you're
I mean, and the other thing, Mark is you grew up.
You entered the NFL where starters played in the preseason,
so you got a little game speed. Sure, that's not
really the way it works anymore.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
And it's not quite the game speed of a regular
season game, which isn't quite the game sp of a
playoff game. So he's going to have just a crash
course on trying to figure everything out the things he
has going for him, though.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, there's a laundry.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
List of positives going into the season other than just
his talent and ability. What they did around him, not
just the players they got, but the types of players
a Keenan Allen, you know, similar to when I was
with the Jets. I can equate a player like that
as a Jericho Katrie, where he is like, you're dependable,
third down, thousand yards a year kind of guy, like
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he is just going to be mister reliable for you, you
know what I mean. They have another guy like that
in Marcedes Lewis in the tight end room helping Cole
Comett and Gerald Everett so there's more targets. Then you
add a guy like DeAndre Swift who's used to playing
running back by committee. I mean, this thing's starting to
look good. You got right at right tackle, you're figuring
out the center position. But you have some real pieces
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on offense. And with a coordinator like Shane Waldron. Right,
he took Gino Smith up to his completion percentage. I
mean just knocked it out of the park with Gino
his first year as a starter. Well, he's going to
have something like that in Caleb. And part of it
is when do you let him be superman and go
to the telephone booth? Right, We've had that discussion here
before with Caleb in the offseason, talking about his ability
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and win. Is it time to just play ball? I
think adding all of those targets around him, and don't
forget I left out Dj Moore.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
That wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Yeah, And they drafted Rome, so you're expecting that to
be an explosive player. You have another one in Keenan
Allen who's going to have fresh legs because DJ Moore
and maybe Rome kind of start most of the maybe
he gets a little less snaps than them, but he
comes in in crucial situations. So dj Moore was like
forty percent of their offense last year. So and that
was with Tyson Bagent and justin Fields. So this is
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set up for immediate success. They don't play The thing
working against him is that their division is so strong. Well,
they don't play a division game till week eleven. You've
made that point. So I mean, what if they just
start out seven and two?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know what I mean? It's not an off the
wall prediction.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Plus, you can't forget I mean, I think Eberflu saved
his job last year by the way that defense performed
down the stretch. Yes, adding Montes sweat shirt up their
defensive line. They have two studs and Edmonds and Edwards
at linebacker, and then in the back end they have
three capable cornerbacks. You got guys who played eight hundred
plus snaps together.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
This kind of thing is really gonna start to take
form and take shape. Jalen Johnson's stud player. So it's like, man,
there's a lot. It feels more like the Jets year
two for me twenty ten with you know, you bring
in Ladanian Thomas and you have Sean Green Jericho Coowtrey
Brayln Edwards, Sanntonio Holmes, Dustin Keiller.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
A tight end. Like, there's guys everywhere you look.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
They might not be top five at their position, but
they're at least top half of the league. And then
the defense, two stud linebackers they don't have obviously Durell Reeves,
but great defensive backs and a system that they all know.
Back to the Shane Waldron point and we'll wrap it up.
But when do you let him be superman? And when
do you keep him within the confines of the offense,
Because that's gonna be, you know, feeling that part of
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the game. I think he's going to have that part
of his call sheet that has the quick completions, quick answers,
quick game, the stuff he knocked out of the park
with Gino. That's going to be long because if at
any point Caleb misses three in a row, hey, let's
get him two completions in a row. Let's get our
quarterback back and get him distributing the football the way
we know how we can, and let's do it easy.
Let's give him an easy completion. So I think they're
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prime to employees that have an amazing year. I'm happy
to kick off the season with them.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh I think. I mean, there's there's very few games
that opening week I'm more fascinated to watch. That's way
the bigger on my list. Listen, it's been you know,
Rescetic Hassan, Reddick's not showing up many camp stuff, Aaron,
the Nat Hackett story with Arthur Smith. Listen, it's the Jets.
It's noisy. Some of it's the city. Although I will
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argue the Eli Manning Tom Kamflin teams when they were
winning were actually kind of boring and didn't make a
lot of news. This team's noisy, of what do you
what do you kind of make of the noise?
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yes, well, I think my argument to that is the
offseason in New York is always going to be noisy.
I think what helps them this year is there's no
hard knocks. They don't have to worry about that. The
Giants kind of wore that hard knocks deal for them
this year, if you will, and they can just kind
of focus on ball because that the Aaron Rodgers injury
would have been massive last year if they weren't on
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hard knocks, but because it was on hard knocks it
even was bigger, right, So I think up front, and
I know we have a great graphic for this, but
the changes at offensive line, three new starters, same offensive
line coach. But you see Tyron Smith, John Simpson, Joe Tipman,
Elijah Verr Tucker coming back from injuries, and Morgan Moses.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
They get two of those guys.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
John Simpson the left guard and the right tackle Wars
and Morgan Moses excuse me from the Ravens. So they
have some veteran talent. They got some guys that they trust.
Joe Tipman solid going into his second year, Wisconsin guy.
I think that offensive line should be more or less,
you know, better than serviceable, like better than top half
of the league.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You would think after a rookie.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
That for Shana kid, so he's I mean, I feel
like it's the MasterCard commercial, right, like priceless. He gets
to be around Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses as a
rookie and be your swing tackle.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
That's priceless. I mean you're developing the guy right away.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Those two guys are thirty plus in age, right, thirty
plus years old. The chances those guys play every single
snap Now, I hope they don't get hurt. I hope there,
you know, shoelace falls out or something and this kid's
gotta play. But now you have six legit offensive linemen.
That's great for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
That's what you want.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
You add some guys in free agency. With Mike Williams.
I love similar draft picks. With the young receiver Malachi
out of Western Kentucky. I think he's a yak guy,
yards after catch kind of guy. He's gonna have to
fill that Randall Cobb kind of void and be the
slot wiggle free on third down because we're gonna double
Garrett Wilson. We're gonna double Mike Williams. All right, young kid,
(22:03):
we need you to eat. But suffice to say, with
this whole thing philosophically from the top with coach Hackett,
their offensive line, coach Keith Carter, and the quarterback, what
are we doing on quick game? Aaron Rodgers went down
on a quick game play meaning three step timing for
the offense. And you can roll the clip because Leonard
Floyd ends up hurting him on this play. First game
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of the year, fourth play, whatever it was. Well, it
looks like they're trying to cut on quick game. So
if the left tackle's cutting like that, the quarterback needs
to know I cannot hold onto the ball. So this
is where there's blame to go around when you say
the ultimate team sport one, are we not cutting on
quick game? Because this ended up being the worst possible
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result of guys not getting either a philosophy understood.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Or executing at the right level.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Receivers got to get open, Ball's got to come out,
and either we are cutting or we are not cutting
quick game. So that moving forward would have been my
first meeting, my first question to everybody, you know what
I mean. If I'm the Jets beat writer, like, that's
my first question. What's our deal here? What are we
doing this year? Now, he's probably not going to divulge
that to a beat writer, but that changed the course
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of their whole season last year. Yeah, so where are
we going with that stuff? And I think they're going
to get a lot more time to do that, in
a lot more privacy to do that. Should they allow
themselves the privacy and things don't come spewing out of
the building, which tends to happen at times.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It's New York. It's really hard.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
So what does that look like and they don't have
to explain it every week on Hired Knocks or feel
like they have to or anything like that. So I
think all these things work in their favor. But it
starts philosophically Hackett offensive line coach Aaron Rodgers, and then boom,
go for it because it's not a ten year plan
with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
They gotta win.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
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Speaker 1 (24:57):
All right, listen Green Bay. No those quarterbacks. I'd pay
Jordan love to Mark Sanchez joining us for our radio audience.
Would you be a little concerned that he was erratic
early and we have a very small sample size. Does
that concern you? Getting the big Contractory won't return to
even practice.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And I think that's part of it, right, That kind
of contract hamstrings you with the rest of your roster.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Look at where the cowboys are and we'll get to the
cowboys later.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
But we've seen a little bit of both right the
jekylin Hyde and man was he good at the end
of the year. Twenty one touchdowns, three interceptions in the
last nine games, didn't take any sacks in the playoffs,
did a great job of throwing the ball away, went
in and hung up almost half a hundred on The
Cowboys beat him forty eight thirty two, and that was
a dan Quinn good Dallas Cowboys defense that were expected
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to advance to the next round. So massive upset. He
did it all on the road. That's that's a pretty
big deal. So if you're arguing for the contract, you
have some ammo. If you're arguing against the track, part
of it is listen to to make sure your success
is sustainable. You might want to take a little haircut
and maybe take a page out of the Tom Brady
book of making sure there's enough money to go around,
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because at some point the roster might look a little
thin if we don't make this, you know, mutually beneficial
for both sides.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right now, they're so young. Offensively, if I'm Jordan Love
and his agent, can I say, listen, pay us in
the first two years, we'll go team friendly the last two.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
At the very end, Yeah, because yeah, I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
I wouldn't be shocked if that's kind of the direction
they had, because a lot of these guys, they're the
young team you know in Little League that grows up
together for like seven eight years, and that whole Little
League travel team goes to the same high school, and
you're just like, dang it.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
These guys know everything about each other. They've been playing
together forever.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
The experience that they got last year is once again priceless,
invaluable because they got to play in two extra games
that nobody had them pegged for at a very young age,
with a bunch of guys on early contracts. I mean,
look at even the tight end room. It's a young,
young group with Craft and Musgrave, and those guys really performed,
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and you know, these guys are coming up together. They
could be nasty, and in the playoffs they were tougher, grittier,
and feistier than the Cowboys. They just out executed him.
And you know it's almost that ignorance is bliss mentality.
Let's just go roll out there and play our best ball.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think my interpretation is love is a little more
far than Aaron, not quite as precise, but willing to
let her rip.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I And my take is Mark, he's not Aaron. Aaron
tend to be a very precise quarterback. I think you
have to live with Love. I think Love's got a
little Josh Allen where he's gotta make some throws that
he wins. But I'm okay with that because I trust
Green Bay's operation.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
And get that number.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
If he's gonna make a couple of those throws, take
it from five or six like he was at the
early in the season to like two or three where
you're like kind of whole your breath, you know, the
more you can just eliminate those for his game. And
then we got to watch how it plays out at
running back. Aaron Jones goes in the division to the Vikings,
and now you bring in Josh Jacobs, who isn't quite
the receiving threat maybe as Aaron Jones, but more of
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the downhill you know, every down back kind of thing.
So you see what they what they want to do there,
but so much, so much youth and experience and those
two things don't really go together right, and Jordan Love's
in a good spot.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I think they just got to figure out the contract.
I bet you. I bet you.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
We're talking like a week or so because he's he's there.
How valuable are these practices if you don't have the
quarterback right like, you're trying to get all your guys
going and you know, keep that momentum from the last year.
You need those guys together again. You can't lose your
most important guy right now. In my opinion, this sets
a tone for your season.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So paying the quarterback is it's a delicate balance that
you want to pay it, but if he's got an
injury history or there's limitations. So the cowboy are gonna
pay Mike and CD. They drafted them, they hit on them,
They're elite. You gotta pay them. That's why you draft guys.
Are you hit on them, you pay him. Dak's more precarious.
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He at times has been carried the more the team is.
Dak reliant. They have struggled against good teams. This is
a dance to me. With those three stars. They couldn't
spend any money in free agency. They're very top heavy.
Where do you go with that? Are you worried about
the distractions of contracts with Dallas?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Well, one hundred percent and it's once again a noise factor.
How much are we listening to all this? And you
know how much does that infiltrate our locker room and
affect what's going on coaching wise? I mean, everybody coaching
wise is on a one year deal. So it creates
kind of two mechanisms, right, Like you can have a
high risk, high reward scenario. If things work out, all
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those coaches are going to get retained and paid, and
a high.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Tide raises all ships.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
So great, Well things don't work out, there's gonna be
a ton of turnover. And then now there's questions about
the quarterback. What do we do even if he leaves
next year? He's got a forty million dollars cap hit
for the Cowboys, So I mean that's like I don't know,
told there'd be no math, but around fourteen percent of
your cap it's gonna go up again next year. Like,
they got real questions. But let's just start with this season.
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I mean,
the lack of the off season activity, the poor momentum
after the playoff loss, where's your depth, where's your experience?
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Potentially two rookies starting on the offensive line, that's gonna
be different for Dak. And then what are we doing
in the running back position. I know Zeke's back, but
he's a year nine. No Tony Pollard. So who's the
catching thread out of there? Doubtell Von Yeah, So it's
that's what I'm saying. And so think about the difference
between maybe Dak and the Cowboys his rookie year and
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the talent he had around him, the other explosive players.
Think about a couple of years ago when Cooper Rush
went in and went four and one as a starter.
Well he did that with Gallup, CD, Schultz, Zeke, and Pollard.
I mean, that's some talent now, So flip flop the quarterbacks.
(31:18):
Even if you're not a Dak fan, let's say, you
know what I mean, Like, even if you don't like that, Okay, Well,
then who would win on this team? Who's gonna help
this team elevate suddenly? And where are the weapons? Who
am I throwing to? Who's keeping the defensive coordinators up
at night? Like dang, what are we gonna do about
this guy? And that's you know, those are tough questions
to ask going into a season. You want to have
those things shirt up. So I think the lack of
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depth is gonna be tough, and this is gonna be
a lot on Dak's plate. You know, he's always gonna
be poised to handle anything, but this one's you know,
this one's tough.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Mark Sanchez joining US Fox Sports, he opens up Titans
and Bears the you know it's I do think it's
become a very quarterback coach centric league. And I think
we know, by and large, there's about ten great everything
in the league, like offensive tackles quarterback coaches. Earlier today,
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I said, if you told me, regardless of what their
current situation is, that we paid quarterbacks in a perfect
world in order I would be paid with their worth.
And I put up three tiers. I said, Mahomes and
Allen feel different to me. That literally Josh Allen had
ten more touchdowns than everybody else in the league, and
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that Mahomes has been to five to six Super Bowls.
Then the second is remarkable players. There may be a
Lamar playoff issue, a stafford age of borough health, a
golf immobile issue. I think those are great quarterbacks. Then
there's three to me that are rising stars. Again, I
just need more I need more hours. Herbert's got to
get the right coach, and that I said, Jalen Hurts
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is my eleven DAK twelve. But if I had to
as a GM pay ten quarterback in order of what
I believe now winning production elevate, others not be elevated.
Is there is there somebody missing there?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I might shuffle some guys around, but remember I have
to call all ten of those guys games, so we're
not going to get into a ranking system.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I didn't know what That makes production meetings very difficult.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I didn't know what to do with Jalen Hurts one.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Great, yeah, but I think some of that is like
Recncy bias. Right, if those years were flipped, he'd probably
be on this board.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You no, I think you're right. I didn't know what
to do.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
And then what do you do when guys get hurt
like Kirk Cousins, who was playing out of his mind,
maybe MVP worthy, and then gets hurt so like he's
not in because he's older and coming back from injury.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I didn't play.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Where's Aaron Rodgers? Where you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
If you got hurt last year. You can't make this list, like,
what are the It's hard because your your scope of
it totally valid. My scope of it totally valid. But
we might factor or or.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Wait, some of these factors a little bit higher, let
me to you, or lower.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
We got we got a minute and a half left, forty.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Survived for a minute and a half, tucking QBS.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Forty off an achilles surgery with a new old line
and a hacket issue a little bit. What are reasonable
numbers for Aaron you know his new now what what?
What should it look like?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
What I mean, he's I think he's easily uh four
thousand yards around there. I think he's easily right around
thirty touchdowns, less than ten picks.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Okay, I mean throw nine picks. Yeah, Like that would
be more than enough.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
And I think he can easily surpass that in a
year where they catch fire, you know, like that's a
team that could win the division, you know what I mean?
And I we had two really good teams never won
our division. The division went through Foxboro Brady and Belichick,
and we were nine and two at one point, playing
them on Monday night and just got absolutely blown out
of the water. So you know, I don't know this
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is this team is going to be good. There, defense
is solid. I think they got less noise with the
hard knock stuff. I think the Jets could potentially run
the division. Well, okay, what does that look like?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Then?
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Rogers numbers are going to be way more than what
I just explained at three or four thouy thirty and
ten or lesser. Right, So I think that's easily attainable
for him.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Wow, I said. My take was by mid October, if
the Penn State rookie, You're like, Wow, if the O
line is healthy and there's chemistry, because I don't suspect
those veterans will play a lot in preseason, and I
think they'll figure each other. As you know, old line's
the toughest cohesion to create, no doubt, right quarterback receiver
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and O line that is timing and cohesion. If it
mid October, were like, Aaron's got time to throw?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, I know Breese Hall's going healthy, comar.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I know they're a good team.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
That the defense is solid. I mean they could win it.
You got the Bills. I might pick the Jets all right.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Uh, Sam Chess, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
It's great to be back.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Mark Mark Sanchez arrives Sodas Football. I can smell cut grass.
I can smell cut grass right now.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Love,