July 23, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin discusses another issue facing the Jets as they begin their training camp and why it once again looks like this team is not set up for Super Bowl contention
Taking a look at the third best player on the best NBA teams
It's time to be realistic about the Dallas Cowboys
Guest: Paul Pierce
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All right, here we go and a loaded Tuesday live
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I come in piece. I come with energy today fundraising
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for our show, and Kamala Harris appear to be in
the right direction fundraising right out the gate, injected with big,
big money. Hey you want a funny Santa story real quick?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I was in the airport in Netherlands and some
ladies bring a Mark Sanchez jersey, Mark Sanchiz jersey. So
I texted Santaz check out this picture. He's like, I'll
stop five. He was in like Switzerland or something.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hopefully, hopefully you didn't harass the young lady.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Oh, speaking of Jets, Hassan Reddick, who they got from Philadelphia,
defensive end, good player, veteran, kind of expensive. It's official.
He's not showing up to camp. When they made this
trade for a third round pick, they didn't have this
part figured out. They didn't give him a new deal.
What's going on here? It's July twenty third. I'll repeat,
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it's July twenty third. Camps are open now. Aaron Rodgers
has already missed a mandatory mini camp. Hassan Reddick's a
no show. There's been a story leak that Arthur Smith
was going to get hired to baby sit their offensive
play Colernette Hackett and oh, by the way, in March,
Woodie Johnson and Robert Sala at the NFL meetings apparently
got awkward and uncomfortable and shouting at each other. But yeah,
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they're gonna win the Super Bowl. Okay, last season's top
sack leader, Bryce Huff. Oh yeah, he's in Philadelphia too.
There are two ways, and no fan, even in New York,
even a Jets fan, would acknowledge this is a dysfunctional franchise.
That's not arguable. Put down the pomp Poms, that's not arguable.
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The two ways to right the ship with a dysfunctional
franchise are nail the head coach and get a rising
star at quarterback that you don't have to pay so
you can build around him. That's what the Rams did
with McMahan Goff. The Texans are doing with c J.
Stroud and Demiko Ryans. That's what the Bills did with
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Sean McDermott Josh Allen, or the Bengals with Zach Taylor
and Joe Burrow. Miami actually did it with Mike McDaniel
and to us still in a rookie contract. So you
can go by great players defensive ends, rush hands, corners,
Tyreek Hill. That's how you right the ship when you
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have a dysfunctional franchise. Hit on a rising star at
quarterback that hopefully you don't have to pay for four
or five years, and get the head coach right. So
what are the Jets? A forty year old quarterback off
a major surgery that's expensive and they had to give
up excellent picks to get, and the head coach that's
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lost two of his three games he's coached in the NFL.
Oh yeah, an impulsive owner, This idea that the Jets
are a super Bowl team, eight nine tops, We've already
got Hassan Reddick drama, Nat Hackett drama, Aaron Rodgers drama.
It's July twenty third. Listen. You can go and give
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up big time money like the Rams did to get
Matt Stafford. But you had, let's be honest, the richest
owner and maybe probably the best young coach in the sport.
So you can take a swing on an older quarterback,
but he's got to be great, and Matt Stafford still
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was when they got it. If you go to Aaron
Rodgers last thirteen games in Green Bay, he was five
and eight. Stafford to the Rams was a better quarterback
than what the Jets got with Aaron Rodgers, who's not
as committed as Stafford, Mahomes, Alan Brady or Lamar at
this point in his career. So basically, the Jets, they're
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just putting a fresh cone of paint on the same
old issues. Crazy owner, not sure if they had the
right coach and quarterback drama. That's all this is. And
the sports media, which tends to fall in love with
coastal big market teams. Loves the Jets. It's an eight
win team. Forty year old quarterback coach were not sure
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as a head coach, was a really good coordinator. That's
what they are. In fact, I'd argue Robert Sala wasn't
even the best defensive coordinator the Niners had. Tamiko Ryans
was better. And I'm not anti Sala. I think he's
built a good culture. I think he coaches with passion.
I think his teams play hard. But this idea with
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Hassan Reddick now not showing up that anything has changed here.
It's just a fresh coda paint on all the same
old issues. So if you watched any of the USA
Germany game yesterday, it is a remarkable that Lebron's this
good now best player on the team. But what's discouraging
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if you're a Laker fan is the two best players
on the team are both Lakers. If you look after
all these five exhibitions at the key statistical categories, Lebron
and Anthony Davis lead in all of them, points, assists, rebounds, blocks,
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and field goal percentage. They lead in all of them.
They are clearly the two best players on this team.
So Lebron and ad Clutch Sports Rich Paul got him
to join in LA and they have more than delivered.
But the rest of the roster is random, forgettable guys
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and one kid undrafted who everybody likes but is limited,
Austin Reeves. If you start going around to the top
teams in the NBA and looking at their third best player, again,
the Lakers is Austin Reeves. The Celtics have four guys
on this Olympic team, and that doesn't include Jalen Brown,
who's the sixers third best player, Perennial All Star Paul
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George or twenty six points a game, Tyrese Maxi, Oklahoma
City's third best player, Jalen Williams, an elite defender who
averages nineteen a game and shoots forty three percent beyond
the arc. Who's Denver's third best player high school Michael
Porter six ' ten, excellent defender seventeen and seven and
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a good three point shooter. If you look over the
last five and six years at the championship teams in
the NBA, it's not just been their stars, it's been
their depth. The Celtics depth. What is Derek White their
fourth or fifth best player. Denver's depth KCP was their
fifth or sixth best player. Milwaukee pre Dame Warriors when Wiggins,
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when Andrew Andrew Wiggins, a cast off from Minnesota, had
a huge final. The Lakers are Lebron and ad a
guy everybody likes, undrafted Austin Reeves, and forgettable random guys
with some length. That's what this Olympics is to me. Man,
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have the Lakers mismanaged this roster? It's almost like Rob
Polink and the guys upstairs went to the grocery store
and they got steak and lobster tail. But they've got
four kids at home with MOUs defeat, and by the
second night they don't have any more groceries. They can't
afford them. The Westbrook deal was an abject disaster. Lebron
apparently wanted that, but he's not gonna take the hit.
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And again, Lebron and Ad I got no complaints. Ad
early in Los Angeles I thought was soft. Not anymore.
He's a rugged, physical, dominant defender and has looked great
in these Olympics. But Lebron's career and you're seeing it
still at thirty nine years old. He elevates everybody. So
what does it tell you about the Lakers roster? When
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Lebron James, I mean Jr. Smith, the league was over him,
Matthew Della Vadova in a finals, Shane Battier got really good,
really fast, old you Donnas Haslam. Lebron elevates everybody. And
that said, the third best player for the Lakers is
an undrafted guard who averages about fifteen a game. This
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roster in LA is worse than you think. If Lebron
can't win a playoff series and is struggling now in
the last two years to win a game in the
playoff series. The Olympic thing, if you're a Laker fan,
is discouraging. It's great for the Olympic team, it's discouraging
if you're a Laker fan. All right, So I saw
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something yesterday and you know, fan is short for fanatic.
And when we had COVID and there were no fans
in the stands or limited fans in the stands, TV
just didn't it didn't look as good, it didn't feel
as good. I mean, you could do the fake stuff
in the bubble in Orlando in the NBA, but I'm sorry,
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you could change the camera angles. Fans matter. They are
the juice, they are the B twelve shot to sports.
But because of that fandom, they're they're not always terribly
objective until this survey that is jaw droppingly realistic from
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one of the biggest sports fan bases in America. I
can't believe. I mean, in politics, nobody can look in
the mirror, either side RS or d's, they can't look
in the mirror. The Dallas Cowboys fan base is officially
the most honest fan base in America, and I couldn't
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believe their answers to this survey that is next.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
So The Athletic did a survey with Dallas Cowboy fans
Dallas Cowboy fans, and the results are in. And you know,
generally we get this. Fans have blinders on college pro
doesn't matter east west, north, south, middle of the country,
it doesn't matter, you know, bad teams. You know, see
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the most optimistic, hopeful outcome. I get it. That's what's
great about fans. But Cowboy fans have been beaten down
for so long, I would argue they are now currently
more realistic than their owners. Listen to this. They were asked,
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if one of these three players could still be on
the Cowboys three years from now, who would it be, Dak,
Micah or ced Lamb. Runaway winner was Micah Parsons second easily,
with CD Lamb Dak third. In my opinion, that should
be the order. The second question, what grade would you
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give the Cowboys for this offseason? Almost forty percent of
Cowboy fans said a D. That would be the right answer.
The next question, who is the Cowboys most overrated player
in a landslide? Dak Prescott nobody really close. That in
my opinion, is the right answer. And finally there's one
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more here. Will the Cowboys be in the Super Bowl
the next five years? That's quite a tarmac, that's quite
a runway. Seventy eight point eight percent said no, we
know who the owner is. When you're young and innocent,
you believe in everything, the tooth fairy, magic, Santa, and
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then life humbles you and the reality of your personal
limitations set in. Right now, Cowboy fans again are more
realistic than their owners. That's what this team is. An
elite pass rusher. Cowboys deserve credit for drafting him, an
elite wide receiver better than I thought he would be
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as a pro CD Lamb. The Cowboys deserve credit for
drafting him, and a quarterback that if they do pay him,
will pay him like Patrick Mahomes. And he's much closer
to Kirk Cousins and Cowboy fans even in the question
will you win a Super Bowl in the next five years?
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Not one or two, five eighty percent or close to
it said no. Optimism and hope have been flushed out
realistically by grief and reality. Tip of the sad cap
to Dallas Cowboy fans, officially the most realistic fans in America.
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I'm not sure what you get for that, but it's something.
J Mack with a news turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I don't know if this is an unrealistic fan base
or not.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Put the Chicago Bears are back in the news column
because Caleb Williams is here for his first NFL training camp.
He's been putting in time obviously in the offseason. Offensive
coordinator Shane Waldrop spoke about how impressed he is with
Caleb's growth away from the team.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Caleb did a great job, you know, and in OTAs
and in that portion of the rookie segment at the end,
and then showing up back here at training camp a
step ahead of where he left, so shows it he
did a great job during his time away from the building,
you know, owning the offense, understanding different calls, and able
to come out here and these first two practices and
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operate at a much higher level than.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
What we left it.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
And we know it's not where where the final product is,
but every day we see these incremental improvements leading up
to that first game.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's our main goal on offense. Very exciting time. Chicago's
turning around. I just saw this morning the two families
in Chicago, one of them the Rhinesdorf family, are proposing
a seven billion dollars up grade to the United Center,
putting in all sorts of housing, entertainment. You do know,
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I bought Bulls black Hawk season tickets. So Caleb Williams
is going to change the projection of the and direction
of the Bears for the next decade. We think, we
don't know, well, we're pretty we're pretty good on the
no I would say.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I mean we thought that about Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville.
Where we are, what four years and what's he done?
I mean that franchise was almost shipped off the Ducal
Dwarf to what I mean, you might as well ship
the Bears to outer Mongoli. At this point, what have
they done recently?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They're done. They've got a Super Bowl and a rich tradition.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And five it doesn't even qualify for your seventies trivia.
I mean, that's how long ago it was, like, come on, listen,
I'm with you. I think the Bears are gonna be good. Sorry,
I think the Bears are gonna be good. The pot potentials, you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Know what they're really going to be for the first
time in a long term well, offensively fascinating. I couldn't
tell you the last time I cared. I mean, you
go look at their best offense as ever, Jay Cutler
al shot Jeffrey like, this team is like, oh, this
is gonna be one of the most interesting watches in
the league.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Offense.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
So you think that and we will hope for that.
They just had We just showed it called the Shane
Waldron speaking You remember what he was like as an
oc in Seattle with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It was not good.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Russell Wilson requested Shane Waldron and then it didn't really
work out. Now we could say that was russ and
he was near the end, but it was not dynamic
or interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And that's the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Was Shane Waldron have one year with Gino smith I
seemed to turn around his career.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
He might have Gino. It's real turnaround was last year
though right two years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
When you're optimistic. Colin Hu, Yeah, put on your cape
anytime it's Chicago.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Got to defend in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well, I just I see the truth. New basketball facility,
Kaylob Williams in town. It's a sunny day and check
even the winners are gonna be mild from this point forward.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Next story is the Miami Dolphins. They still need to
lock Tua into a long term extension. According to Adam Schefter,
the Dolphins have made it clear that Tua is their guy,
but the two sides are still working out the money
in the deal.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Boy, these deals take a while.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
It's been like five months of working out the money.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Schefter also noted that Tua is not as close to
his new contract as Jordan Love is with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
I'll tell you this, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
If my new deal with Fox or whatever takes as
long as this to a deal, I'm gonna be extremely
disappointed to the season.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Ended in January.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's July.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He doesn't have a new deal. What's working out the
money over six months? Actions not words? Colin, you know
that this is not a good sign for TWOA. It
can't be well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think I think this stuff is really hard. I
think quarterbacks, because it's the highest paid player on the team,
I think it's hard. I think I think even when
you like a quarterback, I mean, good god, they've already
redone Holmes deal twice. I mean all this stuff is
incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Oh yeah, good, front office actually get something done. Imagine
how that works.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Miami off The front office is a mixed bag, some
good stuff, some good stuff. I mean, I mean they
did hire Mike McDaniel. They deserve a lot of credit,
you got to give. I will say this with the
Dolphins and this is where they deserve absolute credit. This
was a Brian Flores angry defensive vibe, and they went light, fun,
progressive offense. And I mean they flipped the switch to
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a za benchwarmer to tow as a star Miami, and
that's hard. Teams struggled to do this. Miami literally said,
and Flores was not a disaster. He turned the franchise around.
They were awful when he got there, and very quickly,
by about week eight first year, you're like wow, And
I mean special teams in defense were elite and they're
like no, no, no, no no, we're gonna flip this
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thing toa looked like a whiff. And they flipped to
an offensive franchise virtually overnight. And it's been a lot
of wins since. We got to give him credit for.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The correction regular season, okay, when they haven't seen the
playoff success, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
All I had.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Who had a damn good year.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I'll say this, And you know, Mike McDaniel is a
little under the radar right because he hasn't had the
playoff success. But in terms of interesting, if you're like Jay,
give me three coaches in the NFL, if you could
have dinner and three guests, Mike McDaniel's.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Definitely one of the three coaches.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I think he's a fascinating guy, Yale educated, kind of nerdy.
How were these big, hulking NFL players listening to squirrely
little Mike McDaniel. I'm fascinated by this guy. I'm a
little jealous that the Jets didn't get him.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But I think he's a great, great coach.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I think. I think what Mike McDaniel is. He's
good for the Dolphins and he's really fun for the league.
You know, it's you forget, but in the seventies and eighties,
Miami was a huge brand in this country, and it
was there were dolphin bars all over cities like Seattle
and Denver and Don Shulah won for thirty years and
Dan Marino. People forget that. Miami was a massive brand.
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Now it's a heat city, but it used to be
a hurricane city in a dolphin city before pat Riley
got there, and so Miami is It's also Miami's also
been just the different market. It's the warmest winter market,
the aqua water. It's got a rich history. I like
the Warriors. You forget how good the Warriors were in
the seventies, so people forgot about them, and then the
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minute they're good that you can't get a ticket. It's
the highest priced seat in the league. Miami in the
seventies and eighties was one of the top two or
three franchises forever.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I wasn't born, but the Golden State Warriors were good
in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They were great.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Wow, who they have?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Rick Berry, oh Rick Addles, Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullins, Keith Wilkes.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You guys like, how I did that?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I just wedge did more seventies sports where cowhard really cooks.
I mentioned seventies the light just goes off and you're
just on fire.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Final story is.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Ah, Yes, the New England Patriots, they got Drake may
with hopes that he'll be their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But oh my gosh, Colin, he's not.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Ready for the starting job yet. Listen to what Jerrod
Mayo confirmed that Jacoby Brissett is QB one.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Listen to this coming out of the spring.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I don't think there's any doubt Jacoby is the starting
quarterback at this point in time. I mean, we can
look at these other quarterbacks on the roster at the
same time like it's going to be. It's about competition
and so when we get out on the field this
summer with the pads on.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We'll see how it all plays out.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
But you know, coming out of the spring, I mean,
I think it's clear that Jacoby is the most pro
ready guy we had and play a lot of football.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I think that's what we thought he was. That's
that's not a breaking story. I think we all knew
it was Jacoby Brissette. And if Drake may grows by Thanksgiving,
you may have to he may get a start. But again,
we got to be honest about this. Mahomes didn't start
until week seventeen.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Totally different story. They were a good team. They had
Alex Smith, the former number one pick, as their quarterback.
They were playoff team. Listen, man, this is a horrendous decision.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
What's a horrendous decision is Jacoby one year old is
a top five backup in the league.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's right. By the way, why put your young guy
out there who's not a refined quarterback. We looked realistic
people knew two things that of all these quarterbacks, bow Knicks,
Caleb Williams bo Nicks because of his starts, Pennix because
of his starts, Caleb Williams because of his talent, and
Jaden Williams Jayden Daniels because of both were ready to
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play pretty early. And everybody knew that JJ McCarthy and
Drake May are not ready to start. That that's a given.
Sam Darnold and Jacoby Brissette should start this year. Now,
if you get past Thanksgiving, your team's bad and you're like,
we're gonna give the kid a couple of late season starts.
But Drake May footwork, accuracy, he's not ready to start.
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And AJ McCarthy, despite all these draft experts, this idea
that everybody was moving up the board to get in,
not a single GM told me that JJ is a
backup for a year. He's a prospect.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So when the Patriots are one and eight and everybody's
starting to quit and the injuries are there, let's shove
in Drake May, future offen, Let's put him out there.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
That is not no.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
When they're one in eight at the trade deadline one
in seven, you trade off any piece to get more
draft picks. Let Jacoby deal with that, the mature veteran,
and then next year you load up on offensive pieces,
cap space, and Drake May, with a year under his belt,
is ready to roll. You go into camp saying, you
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know you get I mean, you have eleven draft picks,
you got tons of money to spend. You go get
a Brandon Iyuk, you go get an elite left tackle.
This is not the end of the world. I don't
think you'll let Drake may sniff it till after Thanksgiving
and maybe give him one last season, start to let
him get his feet wet.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So I'd like to get a list of guys who
probably weren't ready but trotted out there and were terrible.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Okay. I know Jared Goff started his career horribly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Remember Jeff Fisher, he was like, oh to seven, everybody's saying,
bus bus bus tarreed.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Goff turned out okay.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And there was one other quarterback who's Eli Manning, remember.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Him well, he was terrible, got awful.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Sorry, he was just horrendous with the Giants and he
turned out Okay. You've got to just shove guys out there.
They've got to get up to the speed. I think
he's a bad decision by the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I think Maze probably.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think the quarterbacks you're mentioning, like Joe Burrow was
ready to start. Lamar Jeffson. I mean that most of
the young quarterbacks, you could say, well, Josh Allen, Josh
Allen physically was an elite top ten athlete in the league.
Is a rookie. He wasn't a top ten quarterback, but
he was six six, two fifty five and jumping over linebacker.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
But even the way Mayo's talking about this, we can
look at these other quarterbacks on the roster. What the
hell these other you guys just dropped a drink made
top five the future of the franchise.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
What do you the dismissive tone. I don't like anything
about Mayo.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I can't wait to bet against these frauds the Patriots
this year. My gosh, this team is so bad.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
When you are fired up today, Pa, I'll tell you that. So.
Regional radio host Paul Finbaum floated the idea that Dion
Sanders as a potential Lincoln Riley replacement at usc.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Did we not learn anything from Brian Kelly at Notre
Dame or Jim harbaught Michigan. It takes a while even
Dabbo Sweeney at Clemson took like three or four years.
It takes a while people forget that. Nick Saban's first
year at Alabama the best college football coach ever. His
first year he lost to like look it up. It's
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like something Louisiana and Roe or something at home. Second
year he got rolled by Utah in a bowl game
in Atlanta. It was the third year for the greatest
coach ever, Nick Saban at a football power Alabama. Lincoln
Riley averaged eleven wins at Oklahoma every year eleven wins
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five years, eleven wins. His replacement. The program had absolute momentum.
It's a great program. His replacement has averaged eight wins
this year. They're over under a seven seven and a half.
They're picked for eight in the SEC. The coach before
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Lincoln Riley at USC was not a Lincoln Riley level coach.
He was a disaster. He got no Power five offers
and he averaged six wins. Lincoln Riley in two years
has won eleven and eight. And what Lincoln Riley took over,
he's almost doubled the wind todl on average. The coach
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before him average six. He's up to about nine and
a half. Yeah, so Lincoln's replacement is winning just sixty
percent of his games and he got momentum from Lincoln.
Lincoln had to totally rebuild a roster had zero elite
NFL players. It took USC and they're still not there
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a couple of years to get their nil right in
a city with multiple pro sports teams where it takes
longer to rebuild because it's a very distracted market with
a lot of pro stuff, beaches, mountains, and proximity to
like Vegas. There's a lot going on here. Have we
not learned anything from Dabo Sweeney, Jim Harbaugh, Brian Kelly.
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Rebuild are hard, even with an accelerated transfer bortal and nil.
It's hard. People just don't understand how bad USC was
when Lincoln Riley took it over. I'll give you a story.
I've got a little bit of access to USC. The
previous coach was not a good recruiter and was even
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worse at developing players. When Lincoln Riley got to USC,
his staff earmarked what they believed to be only thirty
five players good enough to be at USC. Thirty five
in a world of eighty five scholarships, less than half
the roster in two years. Lincoln riley for the first
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time in USC history, and they've had legendary coaches. Have
averaged over forty points a game offensively, have led the
nation in offense back to back years. He hasn't just
fixed the offense, it's been a rocket ship. They've recruited
it well. Defense not so much, but again, that's not
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Lincoln's side of the ball. Oklahoma has a defensive coach,
their defense isn't elite. At least Lincoln gone the right
side of the ball right, So take a deep breath.
Lincoln's gonna be okay. Their schedule actually, first year in
the Big Ten, they got a little bit of a break.
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They don't have to face the best team Ohio State,
the second best team, in my opinion, Oregon. They have
one kind of dicey road game with weather Washington in
the first week of November. It'll be raining. Michigan's in
a total rebuild. Their toughest game is LSU, but their
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defense was bad last year and they just lost a
great quarterback. USC should be competitive, albeit they'll probably lose
to LSU. Lincoln's going nowhere unless he chooses to go somewhere.
The recruiting on the defensive side been a bit disappointing.
They finally have their nil collective right. It's not Oregon,
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but in the Big Ten, it's top two or three
that will be competitive, and no, Deon Sanders is not
going to be USC's football coach. By the way, the
next quarterback is Miller Moss, who threw for six touchdown
passes three hundred and eighty yards and completed seventy percent
of his throws in his one start last year. So
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it looks like once again, Lincoln Riley has a quarterback
and will develop him into an NFL level player. I
told you to take a deep breath with Brian Kelly
at Notre Dame and at LSU. Take a deep breath
with Jim Harbaugh. Stuff takes time, It'll be okay. Coming
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up next, Paul piercet up. What does it say when
Lebron and ad are easily the two best players in
the Olympics And what do we make of this team
that needs thirty nine year old Lebron to save them
against South Sudan and Germany. The hell is going on?
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Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, he's a Basketball Hall of Famer, twentieth all time
leading score in NBA history. He retired at thirty seven. So,
Paul Pierce, as you watch thirty nine year old Lebron
James throw down dunks for real?
Speaker 10 (32:36):
No, this was not regular dunks down either.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Does it concern you though? We were talking about this
yesterday that his first game was October of like two
thousand and two or whatever it is. Yeah, Okay, now
we're in thousand and four. He's been twenty two years
in the league. So now it's twenty twenty four and
he's their most valuable player. Should I think less of
the young players on this team or more of Lebron?
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Probably think more of Lebron. But you gotta understand there
is a hierarchy and all of this. What do you mean, like, like,
Lebron is the guy no matter where he goes, no
matter what age he is, if he steps on the court,
it's running through him. He's gonna bring the ball up.
He's gonna decide how we play. He's gonna decide how
we maneuver out here. So it's not that Anthony Edwards
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or Jason Tatum can't do this type of stuff at
the end of the game, or Steph Curry, you know,
because they do this for their respective teams. But when
you're talking about Team USA and who's the guy, it's
gonna be Lebron James at the top.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So what American player, what USA player probably doesn't benefit
from Lebron kind of being the running the ecosystem of
the offense is this. Do you think it's hard on
Steph Curry for instance, he's not shooting, Well.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
Well, yeah, it's hard on all of them, you know,
more mainly the guys who's on the court, whoever's on
the court with Lebron, you know, because you gotta understand,
these guys are all number one options. So now they
so used to be a number one options they like
when they're out there with Lebron, they don't know about
the second option. Third, Do I stand in the corner?
Do I set a screen? You're actually Jason Tatum to
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set screens. You're actually like Steph Curry goes standing in
the corner. You know, I mean what they They're confused
on how to what their role is gonna be. And
that's why you see Anthony Davis playing well because he's
in his own role that he plays for the Lakers,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And Bam is in his role that he plays for Miami.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
So your point is, the three guys that are in
their roles with their team, they're.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
All playing well.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
You notice that everybody else is out of their role.
And Anthony Edwards is somewhat playing well because when he
comes in, he's off the bench.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And he doesn't bring the ball up for them calmly did.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Yeah, but he gets to go on some pick and rolls.
For the most part, that's why you're not seeing great
games from a lot of guys, because the only three
players who are in there are the three figures that
are playing great Lebron Adam.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
So you know, like South Sudan, as I watched, I thought, man,
there's a lot of ballers globally and even Germany. Now
you got Dennis Schuter and guys like that, but there
are great players globally. Is there any team that that
could be a matchup problem for this.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Team man from what I've seen so far, as South Sudan,
because they have the athleticism, they have the speed, and
what I did know is they can shoot. So if
you got a combination of all three of those things,
Like okay, I saw Germany they shot the ball well,
but then they they didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I don't think they had the quickness.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They don't have the quickness or the athleticism.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
They're yeah, and that's the same thing that goes with Serbia,
which I saw, maybe Canada if they you don't act
like they want to play, because they didn't look like
they want to play when they first played the US.
But South so Dan showed me a blueprint somewhat even
though they lost. Like, look, if you moved the ball
and you make threes and you play with speed and
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make the extra pass, that could be a problem for
the US because they've only been together for a couple
of weeks and their chemistry is not all the way
there defensively, so they're really relying on their talent to
win these games. And you've seen how the last couple
of games have been very close and it has come
down to the end.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I was very critical of Anthony Davis when he got
to LA couldn't stay healthy. I thought he came out
of the Bubble Championship out of shape. It was time
for him to grab the baton and he wasn't ready
to play. But his last two years, I mean, he
is he is just a handful man.
Speaker 10 (36:42):
Well, he looks great in his role. He's still the
two A guy. You know, we haven't seen Anthony. He
hasn't had much success being the guy. You know in
New Orleans, they didn't have a lot of success.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's not his personality, no.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I mean, but he's a big man who has tons
of skills. He could do so many things.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
It's just that you're not going to ask him down
to stretch to carry us and have the killer instinct
and do the things to be dominant, like we saw
what a number of big men throughout the course of
history of Lajawan and Shaq and those things. And he's
happy with that. And they won a championship that way.
So you know, you understand he didn't become a score
until he got to the NBA. So mentality growing up wise,
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most scorers who joined the NBA, they were like that
coming up Lebron always scored and passed. I was always
a scorer. Kobe scored in college, I mean in high
school and then it led to the pros and Jordan,
like Anthony Davis was a defensive stopper, you know, he
was like a ten to ten guy with like six
or seven blocks. He didn't come in as a score,
but then he started developing his skills. So just naturally
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mentality wise, he's not thought of as a goat you guy.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's not a naturally easy scoring, gifted, fluid player. Yes,
although he can be a great score he had to
work at that.
Speaker 10 (38:01):
Most guys who scored twenty five points a game came
up like that looks easy.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, this though has jumped out to me. I like Embiid,
but I do feel that Embiid sometimes can't play a
complimentary role. Anthony exactly. Anthony Davis is maybe one of
the best complimentary players in the league. Yes, this has
almost highlighted my concerns with MB Not that he's overrated,
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but when I watch him beat on the floor, I
feel like he's getting in the way of the offense.
Have you played with great players who did that kind
of get in the way?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, the wayson he's getting the way because look how
big he is. On the smaller court. The court shrinks
in the Olympics.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
It's a smaller court, the three point line is smaller,
you know, so everything is kind of packed in, so
it looks like he's in the way.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Whereas in the regular season, over the last couple of years, he's.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Been the best scorer in the NBA because of you
can spread at the court. Olympic Olympic basketball doesn't look
like it fits him, Yeah, it doesn't because there's a
lot of switching. The big men are versatile that can
shoot the three, and it's tough for him to play
the pick and roll and switch on these guards, or
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it's tough for him to play their pick and roll
and rotate back out.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
To the big two's shooting threes at a high rate.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
And so that's why the defense gets better when you
have Bam out of Bayo out there, because he switches.
And so you always see this. The the US team
keeps making a run. Every time you put Bam and
eight in, they make a run immediately because it's the
defense their ability to switch, whereas indeed he can't switch,
So they're in a drop defense in the pick and roll.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
So that's why they're swing swing open threes at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And so it's the same formula over and over, the.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Same formula over and over every night.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
So if I'm the US, I would kind of like
maybe trying to I would start bam.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I would start bam, I really would.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I like what he brings because you don't have to
go to him.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You know what I'm saying. He's just out there. He
gonna set.
Speaker 10 (40:02):
Screens, he creates his own offense, offenser or you know,
ad the same thing. Yeah, you know, I think it's better.
Whereas for MB to be effective, you have to go
to him. He's a score, he needs the ball, he
needs to operate in space, and so if he's not
doing that, then he's sort of kind of wasted out there.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So your twentieth all time leading scorer, Hall of Famer,
you retired at thirty seven. Do you remember your last year?
Lebron at thirty nine is rolling go to your last year?
How did you feel?
Speaker 10 (40:30):
Listen, before I even got to my last year, I
remember my last three years. Like when I got the
year fifteen, I was like waking out of bed and
it was hit or miss.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It was like is this toe? Is this knee?
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Any given day, I can have sometimes type of tender
nights and something and like.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
You knew by you knew by nine forty five in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, if I was gonna have it or not.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And Americano didn't do it any good.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
No, did not do me any good.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
I probably need about three or four massages ice bass
all before game day.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is that how it works for radio hosts. I'll be
in big trouble, I know by five point fifty five
in the morning if I've got it. Paul Pierce the
Hall of Famer Nate Smith Basketball Hall of Famer inducted
a few years back. Proud to have him. Hour two
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big money. Hey you want a funny Santa story real quick?
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Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I was in the airport in Netherlands and some
ladies bring a Mark Sanchez jersey, Mark Sanchiz jersey. So
I texted Santaz check out this picture. He's like, I'll
stop five. He was in like Switzerland or something.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hopefully, hopefully you didn't harass the young lady.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Oh, speaking of Jets, Hassan Reddick, who they got from Philadelphia,
defensive end, good player, veteran, kind of expensive. It's official.
He's not showing up to camp. When they made this
trade for a third round pick, they didn't have this
part figured out. They didn't give him a new deal.
What's going on here? It's July twenty third. I'll repeat,
(01:37):
it's July twenty third. Camps are open now. Aaron Rodgers
has already missed a mandatory mini camp. Hassan Reddick's a
no show. There's been a story leak that Arthur Smith
was going to get hired to baby sit their offensive
play Colernette Hackett and oh, by the way, in March,
Woodie Johnson and Robert Sala at the NFL meetings apparently
got awkward and uncomfortable and shouting at each other. But yeah,
(01:59):
they're gonna win the Super Bowl. Okay, last season's top
sack leader, Bryce Huff. Oh yeah, he's in Philadelphia too.
There are two ways, and no fan, even in New York,
even a Jets fan, would acknowledge this is a dysfunctional franchise.
That's not arguable. Put down the pomp Poms, that's not arguable.
(02:22):
The two ways to right the ship with a dysfunctional
franchise are nail the head coach and get a rising
star at quarterback that you don't have to pay so
you can build around him. That's what the Rams did
with McMahan Goff. The Texans are doing with c J.
Stroud and Demiko Ryans. That's what the Bills did with
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Sean McDermott Josh Allen, or the Bengals with Zach Taylor
and Joe Burrow. Miami actually did it with Mike McDaniel
and to us still in a rookie contract. So you
can go by great players defensive ends, rush hands, corners,
Tyreek Hill. That's how you right the ship when you
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have a dysfunctional franchise. Hit on a rising star at
quarterback that hopefully you don't have to pay for four
or five years, and get the head coach right. So
what are the Jets? A forty year old quarterback off
a major surgery that's expensive and they had to give
up excellent picks to get, and the head coach that's
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lost two of his three games he's coached in the NFL.
Oh yeah, an impulsive owner, This idea that the Jets
are a super Bowl team, eight nine tops, We've already
got Hassan Reddick drama, Nat Hackett drama, Aaron Rodgers drama.
It's July twenty third. Listen. You can go and give
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up big time money like the Rams did to get
Matt Stafford. But you had, let's be honest, the richest
owner and maybe probably the best young coach in the sport.
So you can take a swing on an older quarterback,
but he's got to be great, and Matt Stafford still
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was when they got it. If you go to Aaron
Rodgers last thirteen games in Green Bay, he was five
and eight. Stafford to the Rams was a better quarterback
than what the Jets got with Aaron Rodgers, who's not
as committed as Stafford, Mahomes, Alan Brady or Lamar at
this point in his career. So basically, the Jets, they're
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just putting a fresh cone of paint on the same
old issues. Crazy owner, not sure if they had the
right coach and quarterback drama. That's all this is. And
the sports media, which tends to fall in love with
coastal big market teams. Loves the Jets. It's an eight
win team. Forty year old quarterback coach were not sure
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as a head coach, was a really good coordinator. That's
what they are. In fact, I'd argue Robert Sala wasn't
even the best defensive coordinator the Niners had. Tamiko Ryans
was better. And I'm not anti Sala. I think he's
built a good culture. I think he coaches with passion.
I think his teams play hard. But this idea with
(05:17):
Hassan Reddick now not showing up that anything has changed here.
It's just a fresh coda paint on all the same
old issues. So if you watched any of the USA
Germany game yesterday, it is a remarkable that Lebron's this
good now best player on the team. But what's discouraging
(05:38):
if you're a Laker fan is the two best players
on the team are both Lakers. If you look after
all these five exhibitions at the key statistical categories, Lebron
and Anthony Davis lead in all of them, points, assists, rebounds, blocks,
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and field goal percentage. They lead in all of them.
They are clearly the two best players on this team.
So Lebron and ad Clutch Sports Rich Paul got him
to join in LA and they have more than delivered.
But the rest of the roster is random, forgettable guys
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and one kid undrafted who everybody likes but is limited,
Austin Reeves. If you start going around to the top
teams in the NBA and looking at their third best player, again,
the Lakers is Austin Reeves. The Celtics have four guys
on this Olympic team, and that doesn't include Jalen Brown,
who's the sixers third best player, Perennial All Star Paul
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George or twenty six points a game, Tyrese Maxi, Oklahoma
City's third best player, Jalen Williams, an elite defender who
averages nineteen a game and shoots forty three percent beyond
the arc. Who's Denver's third best player high school Michael
Porter six ' ten, excellent defender seventeen and seven and
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a good three point shooter. If you look over the
last five and six years at the championship teams in
the NBA, it's not just been their stars, it's been
their depth. The Celtics depth. What is Derek White their
fourth or fifth best player. Denver's depth KCP was their
fifth or sixth best player. Milwaukee pre Dame Warriors when Wiggins,
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when Andrew Andrew Wiggins, a cast off from Minnesota, had
a huge final. The Lakers are Lebron and ad a
guy everybody likes, undrafted Austin Reeves, and forgettable random guys
with some length. That's what this Olympics is to me. Man,
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have the Lakers mismanaged this roster? It's almost like Rob
Polink and the guys upstairs went to the grocery store
and they got steak and lobster tail. But they've got
four kids at home with MOUs defeat, and by the
second night they don't have any more groceries. They can't
afford them. The Westbrook deal was an abject disaster. Lebron
apparently wanted that, but he's not gonna take the hit.
(08:16):
And again, Lebron and Ad I got no complaints. Ad
early in Los Angeles I thought was soft. Not anymore.
He's a rugged, physical, dominant defender and has looked great
in these Olympics. But Lebron's career and you're seeing it
still at thirty nine years old. He elevates everybody. So
what does it tell you about the Lakers roster? When
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Lebron James, I mean Jr. Smith, the league was over him,
Matthew Della Vadova in a finals, Shane Battier got really good,
really fast, old you Donnas Haslam. Lebron elevates everybody. And
that said, the third best player for the Lakers is
an undrafted guard who averages about fifteen a game. This
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roster in LA is worse than you think. If Lebron
can't win a playoff series and is struggling now in
the last two years to win a game in the
playoff series. The Olympic thing, if you're a Laker fan,
is discouraging. It's great for the Olympic team, it's discouraging
if you're a Laker fan. All right, So I saw
(09:25):
something yesterday and you know, fan is short for fanatic.
And when we had COVID and there were no fans
in the stands or limited fans in the stands, TV
just didn't it didn't look as good, it didn't feel
as good. I mean, you could do the fake stuff
in the bubble in Orlando in the NBA, but I'm sorry,
(09:46):
you could change the camera angles. Fans matter. They are
the juice, they are the B twelve shot to sports.
But because of that fandom, they're they're not always terribly
objective until this survey that is jaw droppingly realistic from
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one of the biggest sports fan bases in America. I
can't believe. I mean, in politics, nobody can look in
the mirror, either side RS or d's, they can't look
in the mirror. The Dallas Cowboys fan base is officially
the most honest fan base in America, and I couldn't
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believe their answers to this survey that is next.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
So The Athletic did a survey with Dallas Cowboy fans
Dallas Cowboy fans, and the results are in. And you know,
generally we get this. Fans have blinders on college pro
doesn't matter east west, north, south, middle of the country,
it doesn't matter, you know, bad teams. You know, see
(11:06):
the most optimistic, hopeful outcome. I get it. That's what's
great about fans. But Cowboy fans have been beaten down
for so long, I would argue they are now currently
more realistic than their owners. Listen to this. They were asked,
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if one of these three players could still be on
the Cowboys three years from now, who would it be, Dak,
Micah or ced Lamb. Runaway winner was Micah Parsons second easily,
with CD Lamb Dak third. In my opinion, that should
be the order. The second question, what grade would you
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give the Cowboys for this offseason? Almost forty percent of
Cowboy fans said a D. That would be the right answer.
The next question, who is the Cowboys most overrated player
in a landslide? Dak Prescott nobody really close. That in
my opinion, is the right answer. And finally there's one
(12:14):
more here. Will the Cowboys be in the Super Bowl
the next five years? That's quite a tarmac, that's quite
a runway. Seventy eight point eight percent said no, we
know who the owner is. When you're young and innocent,
you believe in everything, the tooth fairy, magic, Santa, and
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then life humbles you and the reality of your personal
limitations set in. Right now, Cowboy fans again are more
realistic than their owners. That's what this team is. An
elite pass rusher. Cowboys deserve credit for drafting him, an
elite wide receiver better than I thought he would be
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as a pro CD Lamb. The Cowboys deserve credit for
drafting him, and a quarterback that if they do pay him,
will pay him like Patrick Mahomes. And he's much closer
to Kirk Cousins and Cowboy fans even in the question
will you win a Super Bowl in the next five years?
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Not one or two, five eighty percent or close to
it said no. Optimism and hope have been flushed out
realistically by grief and reality. Tip of the sad cap
to Dallas Cowboy fans, officially the most realistic fans in America.
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I'm not sure what you get for that, but it's something.
J Mack with a news turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I don't know if this is an unrealistic fan base
or not.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Put the Chicago Bears are back in the news column
because Caleb Williams is here for his first NFL training camp.
He's been putting in time obviously in the offseason. Offensive
coordinator Shane Waldrop spoke about how impressed he is with
Caleb's growth away from the team.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Caleb did a great job, you know, and in OTAs
and in that portion of the rookie segment at the end,
and then showing up back here at training camp a
step ahead of where he left, so shows it he
did a great job during his time away from the building,
you know, owning the offense, understanding different calls, and able
to come out here and these first two practices and
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operate at a much higher level than.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
What we left it.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
And we know it's not where where the final product is,
but every day we see these incremental improvements leading up
to that first game.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's our main goal on offense. Very exciting time. Chicago's
turning around. I just saw this morning the two families
in Chicago, one of them the Rhinesdorf family, are proposing
a seven billion dollars up grade to the United Center,
putting in all sorts of housing, entertainment. You do know,
(15:07):
I bought Bulls black Hawk season tickets. So Caleb Williams
is going to change the projection of the and direction
of the Bears for the next decade. We think, we
don't know, well, we're pretty we're pretty good on the
no I would say.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I mean we thought that about Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville.
Where we are, what four years and what's he done?
I mean that franchise was almost shipped off the Ducal
Dwarf to what I mean, you might as well ship
the Bears to outer Mongoli. At this point, what have
they done recently?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They're done. They've got a Super Bowl and a rich tradition.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And five it doesn't even qualify for your seventies trivia.
I mean, that's how long ago it was, like, come on, listen,
I'm with you. I think the Bears are gonna be good. Sorry,
I think the Bears are gonna be good. The pot potentials, you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Know what they're really going to be for the first
time in a long term well, offensively fascinating. I couldn't
tell you the last time I cared. I mean, you
go look at their best offense as ever, Jay Cutler
al shot Jeffrey like, this team is like, oh, this
is gonna be one of the most interesting watches in
the league.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Offense.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
So you think that and we will hope for that.
They just had We just showed it called the Shane
Waldron speaking You remember what he was like as an
oc in Seattle with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It was not good.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Russell Wilson requested Shane Waldron and then it didn't really
work out. Now we could say that was russ and
he was near the end, but it was not dynamic
or interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And that's the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Was Shane Waldron have one year with Gino smith I
seemed to turn around his career.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
He might have Gino. It's real turnaround was last year
though right two years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
When you're optimistic. Colin Hu, Yeah, put on your cape
anytime it's Chicago.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Got to defend in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well, I just I see the truth. New basketball facility,
Kaylob Williams in town. It's a sunny day and check
even the winners are gonna be mild from this point forward.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Next story is the Miami Dolphins. They still need to
lock Tua into a long term extension. According to Adam Schefter,
the Dolphins have made it clear that Tua is their guy,
but the two sides are still working out the money
in the deal.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Boy, these deals take a while.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
It's been like five months of working out the money.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Schefter also noted that Tua is not as close to
his new contract as Jordan Love is with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
I'll tell you this, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
If my new deal with Fox or whatever takes as
long as this to a deal, I'm gonna be extremely
disappointed to the season.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Ended in January.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's July.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He doesn't have a new deal. What's working out the
money over six months? Actions not words? Colin, you know
that this is not a good sign for TWOA. It
can't be well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think I think this stuff is really hard. I
think quarterbacks, because it's the highest paid player on the team,
I think it's hard. I think I think even when
you like a quarterback, I mean, good god, they've already
redone Holmes deal twice. I mean all this stuff is
incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Oh yeah, good, front office actually get something done. Imagine
how that works.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Miami off The front office is a mixed bag, some
good stuff, some good stuff. I mean, I mean they
did hire Mike McDaniel. They deserve a lot of credit,
you got to give. I will say this with the
Dolphins and this is where they deserve absolute credit. This
was a Brian Flores angry defensive vibe, and they went light, fun,
progressive offense. And I mean they flipped the switch to
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a za benchwarmer to tow as a star Miami, and
that's hard. Teams struggled to do this. Miami literally said,
and Flores was not a disaster. He turned the franchise around.
They were awful when he got there, and very quickly,
by about week eight first year, you're like wow, And
I mean special teams in defense were elite and they're
like no, no, no, no no, we're gonna flip this
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thing toa looked like a whiff. And they flipped to
an offensive franchise virtually overnight. And it's been a lot
of wins since. We got to give him credit for.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The correction regular season, okay, when they haven't seen the
playoff success, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
All I had.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Who had a damn good year.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I'll say this, And you know, Mike McDaniel is a
little under the radar right because he hasn't had the
playoff success. But in terms of interesting, if you're like Jay,
give me three coaches in the NFL, if you could
have dinner and three guests, Mike McDaniel's.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Definitely one of the three coaches.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I think he's a fascinating guy, Yale educated, kind of nerdy.
How were these big, hulking NFL players listening to squirrely
little Mike McDaniel. I'm fascinated by this guy. I'm a
little jealous that the Jets didn't get him.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But I think he's a great, great coach.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I think. I think what Mike McDaniel is. He's
good for the Dolphins and he's really fun for the league.
You know, it's you forget, but in the seventies and eighties,
Miami was a huge brand in this country, and it
was there were dolphin bars all over cities like Seattle
and Denver and Don Shulah won for thirty years and
Dan Marino. People forget that. Miami was a massive brand.
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Now it's a heat city, but it used to be
a hurricane city in a dolphin city before pat Riley
got there, and so Miami is It's also Miami's also
been just the different market. It's the warmest winter market,
the aqua water. It's got a rich history. I like
the Warriors. You forget how good the Warriors were in
the seventies, so people forgot about them, and then the
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minute they're good that you can't get a ticket. It's
the highest priced seat in the league. Miami in the
seventies and eighties was one of the top two or
three franchises forever.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I wasn't born, but the Golden State Warriors were good
in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They were great.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Wow, who they have?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Rick Berry, oh Rick Addles, Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullins, Keith Wilkes.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You guys like, how I did that?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I just wedge did more seventies sports where cowhard really cooks.
I mentioned seventies the light just goes off and you're
just on fire.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Final story is.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Ah, Yes, the New England Patriots, they got Drake may
with hopes that he'll be their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But oh my gosh, Colin, he's not.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Ready for the starting job yet. Listen to what Jerrod
Mayo confirmed that Jacoby Brissett is QB one.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Listen to this coming out of the spring.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I don't think there's any doubt Jacoby is the starting
quarterback at this point in time. I mean, we can
look at these other quarterbacks on the roster at the
same time like it's going to be. It's about competition
and so when we get out on the field this
summer with the pads on.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We'll see how it all plays out.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
But you know, coming out of the spring, I mean,
I think it's clear that Jacoby is the most pro
ready guy we had and play a lot of football.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I think that's what we thought he was. That's
that's not a breaking story. I think we all knew
it was Jacoby Brissette. And if Drake may grows by Thanksgiving,
you may have to he may get a start. But again,
we got to be honest about this. Mahomes didn't start
until week seventeen.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Totally different story. They were a good team. They had
Alex Smith, the former number one pick, as their quarterback.
They were playoff team. Listen, man, this is a horrendous decision.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
What's a horrendous decision is Jacoby one year old is
a top five backup in the league.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's right. By the way, why put your young guy
out there who's not a refined quarterback. We looked realistic
people knew two things that of all these quarterbacks, bow Knicks,
Caleb Williams bo Nicks because of his starts, Pennix because
of his starts, Caleb Williams because of his talent, and
Jaden Williams Jayden Daniels because of both were ready to
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play pretty early. And everybody knew that JJ McCarthy and
Drake May are not ready to start. That that's a given.
Sam Darnold and Jacoby Brissette should start this year. Now,
if you get past Thanksgiving, your team's bad and you're like,
we're gonna give the kid a couple of late season starts.
But Drake May footwork, accuracy, he's not ready to start.
(22:59):
And AJ McCarthy, despite all these draft experts, this idea
that everybody was moving up the board to get in,
not a single GM told me that JJ is a
backup for a year. He's a prospect.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So when the Patriots are one and eight and everybody's
starting to quit and the injuries are there, let's shove
in Drake May, future offen, Let's put him out there.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
That is not no.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
When they're one in eight at the trade deadline one
in seven, you trade off any piece to get more
draft picks. Let Jacoby deal with that, the mature veteran,
and then next year you load up on offensive pieces,
cap space, and Drake May, with a year under his belt,
is ready to roll. You go into camp saying, you
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know you get I mean, you have eleven draft picks,
you got tons of money to spend. You go get
a Brandon Iyuk, you go get an elite left tackle.
This is not the end of the world. I don't
think you'll let Drake may sniff it till after Thanksgiving
and maybe give him one last season, start to let
him get his feet wet.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So I'd like to get a list of guys who
probably weren't ready but trotted out there and were terrible.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Okay. I know Jared Goff started his career horribly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Remember Jeff Fisher, he was like, oh to seven, everybody's saying,
bus bus bus tarreed.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Goff turned out okay.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And there was one other quarterback who's Eli Manning, remember.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Him well, he was terrible, got awful.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Sorry, he was just horrendous with the Giants and he
turned out Okay. You've got to just shove guys out there.
They've got to get up to the speed. I think
he's a bad decision by the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I think Maze probably.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think the quarterbacks you're mentioning, like Joe Burrow was
ready to start. Lamar Jeffson. I mean that most of
the young quarterbacks, you could say, well, Josh Allen, Josh
Allen physically was an elite top ten athlete in the league.
Is a rookie. He wasn't a top ten quarterback, but
he was six six, two fifty five and jumping over linebacker.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
But even the way Mayo's talking about this, we can
look at these other quarterbacks on the roster. What the
hell these other you guys just dropped a drink made
top five the future of the franchise.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
What do you the dismissive tone. I don't like anything
about Mayo.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I can't wait to bet against these frauds the Patriots
this year. My gosh, this team is so bad.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
When you are fired up today, Pa, I'll tell you that. So.
Regional radio host Paul Finbaum floated the idea that Dion
Sanders as a potential Lincoln Riley replacement at usc.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Did we not learn anything from Brian Kelly at Notre
Dame or Jim harbaught Michigan. It takes a while even
Dabbo Sweeney at Clemson took like three or four years.
It takes a while people forget that. Nick Saban's first
year at Alabama the best college football coach ever. His
first year he lost to like look it up. It's
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like something Louisiana and Roe or something at home. Second
year he got rolled by Utah in a bowl game
in Atlanta. It was the third year for the greatest
coach ever, Nick Saban at a football power Alabama. Lincoln
Riley averaged eleven wins at Oklahoma every year eleven wins
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five years, eleven wins. His replacement. The program had absolute momentum.
It's a great program. His replacement has averaged eight wins
this year. They're over under a seven seven and a half.
They're picked for eight in the SEC. The coach before
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Lincoln Riley at USC was not a Lincoln Riley level coach.
He was a disaster. He got no Power five offers
and he averaged six wins. Lincoln Riley in two years
has won eleven and eight. And what Lincoln Riley took over,
he's almost doubled the wind todl on average. The coach
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before him average six. He's up to about nine and
a half. Yeah, so Lincoln's replacement is winning just sixty
percent of his games and he got momentum from Lincoln.
Lincoln had to totally rebuild a roster had zero elite
NFL players. It took USC and they're still not there
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a couple of years to get their nil right in
a city with multiple pro sports teams where it takes
longer to rebuild because it's a very distracted market with
a lot of pro stuff, beaches, mountains, and proximity to
like Vegas. There's a lot going on here. Have we
not learned anything from Dabo Sweeney, Jim Harbaugh, Brian Kelly.
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Rebuild are hard, even with an accelerated transfer bortal and nil.
It's hard. People just don't understand how bad USC was
when Lincoln Riley took it over. I'll give you a story.
I've got a little bit of access to USC. The
previous coach was not a good recruiter and was even
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worse at developing players. When Lincoln Riley got to USC,
his staff earmarked what they believed to be only thirty
five players good enough to be at USC. Thirty five
in a world of eighty five scholarships, less than half
the roster in two years. Lincoln riley for the first
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time in USC history, and they've had legendary coaches. Have
averaged over forty points a game offensively, have led the
nation in offense back to back years. He hasn't just
fixed the offense, it's been a rocket ship. They've recruited
it well. Defense not so much, but again, that's not
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Lincoln's side of the ball. Oklahoma has a defensive coach,
their defense isn't elite. At least Lincoln gone the right
side of the ball right, So take a deep breath.
Lincoln's gonna be okay. Their schedule actually, first year in
the Big Ten, they got a little bit of a break.
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They don't have to face the best team Ohio State,
the second best team, in my opinion, Oregon. They have
one kind of dicey road game with weather Washington in
the first week of November. It'll be raining. Michigan's in
a total rebuild. Their toughest game is LSU, but their
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defense was bad last year and they just lost a
great quarterback. USC should be competitive, albeit they'll probably lose
to LSU. Lincoln's going nowhere unless he chooses to go somewhere.
The recruiting on the defensive side been a bit disappointing.
They finally have their nil collective right. It's not Oregon,
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but in the Big Ten, it's top two or three
that will be competitive, and no, Deon Sanders is not
going to be USC's football coach. By the way, the
next quarterback is Miller Moss, who threw for six touchdown
passes three hundred and eighty yards and completed seventy percent
of his throws in his one start last year. So
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it looks like once again, Lincoln Riley has a quarterback
and will develop him into an NFL level player. I
told you to take a deep breath with Brian Kelly
at Notre Dame and at LSU. Take a deep breath
with Jim Harbaugh. Stuff takes time, It'll be okay. Coming
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up next, Paul piercet up. What does it say when
Lebron and ad are easily the two best players in
the Olympics And what do we make of this team
that needs thirty nine year old Lebron to save them
against South Sudan and Germany. The hell is going on?
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Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, he's a Basketball Hall of Famer, twentieth all time
leading score in NBA history. He retired at thirty seven. So,
Paul Pierce, as you watch thirty nine year old Lebron
James throw down dunks for real?
Speaker 10 (32:36):
No, this was not regular dunks down either.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Does it concern you though? We were talking about this
yesterday that his first game was October of like two
thousand and two or whatever it is. Yeah, Okay, now
we're in thousand and four. He's been twenty two years
in the league. So now it's twenty twenty four and
he's their most valuable player. Should I think less of
the young players on this team or more of Lebron?
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Probably think more of Lebron. But you gotta understand there
is a hierarchy and all of this. What do you mean, like, like,
Lebron is the guy no matter where he goes, no
matter what age he is, if he steps on the court,
it's running through him. He's gonna bring the ball up.
He's gonna decide how we play. He's gonna decide how
we maneuver out here. So it's not that Anthony Edwards
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or Jason Tatum can't do this type of stuff at
the end of the game, or Steph Curry, you know,
because they do this for their respective teams. But when
you're talking about Team USA and who's the guy, it's
gonna be Lebron James at the top.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So what American player, what USA player probably doesn't benefit
from Lebron kind of being the running the ecosystem of
the offense is this. Do you think it's hard on
Steph Curry for instance, he's not shooting, Well.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
Well, yeah, it's hard on all of them, you know,
more mainly the guys who's on the court, whoever's on
the court with Lebron, you know, because you gotta understand,
these guys are all number one options. So now they
so used to be a number one options they like
when they're out there with Lebron, they don't know about
the second option. Third, Do I stand in the corner?
Do I set a screen? You're actually Jason Tatum to
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set screens. You're actually like Steph Curry goes standing in
the corner. You know, I mean what they They're confused
on how to what their role is gonna be. And
that's why you see Anthony Davis playing well because he's
in his own role that he plays for the Lakers,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And Bam is in his role that he plays for Miami.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
So your point is, the three guys that are in
their roles with their team, they're.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
All playing well.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
You notice that everybody else is out of their role.
And Anthony Edwards is somewhat playing well because when he
comes in, he's off the bench.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And he doesn't bring the ball up for them calmly did.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Yeah, but he gets to go on some pick and rolls.
For the most part, that's why you're not seeing great
games from a lot of guys, because the only three
players who are in there are the three figures that
are playing great Lebron Adam.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
So you know, like South Sudan, as I watched, I thought, man,
there's a lot of ballers globally and even Germany. Now
you got Dennis Schuter and guys like that, but there
are great players globally. Is there any team that that
could be a matchup problem for this.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Team man from what I've seen so far, as South Sudan,
because they have the athleticism, they have the speed, and
what I did know is they can shoot. So if
you got a combination of all three of those things,
Like okay, I saw Germany they shot the ball well,
but then they they didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I don't think they had the quickness.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They don't have the quickness or the athleticism.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
They're yeah, and that's the same thing that goes with Serbia,
which I saw, maybe Canada if they you don't act
like they want to play, because they didn't look like
they want to play when they first played the US.
But South so Dan showed me a blueprint somewhat even
though they lost. Like, look, if you moved the ball
and you make threes and you play with speed and
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make the extra pass, that could be a problem for
the US because they've only been together for a couple
of weeks and their chemistry is not all the way
there defensively, so they're really relying on their talent to
win these games. And you've seen how the last couple
of games have been very close and it has come
down to the end.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I was very critical of Anthony Davis when he got
to LA couldn't stay healthy. I thought he came out
of the Bubble Championship out of shape. It was time
for him to grab the baton and he wasn't ready
to play. But his last two years, I mean, he
is he is just a handful man.
Speaker 10 (36:42):
Well, he looks great in his role. He's still the
two A guy. You know, we haven't seen Anthony. He
hasn't had much success being the guy. You know in
New Orleans, they didn't have a lot of success.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's not his personality, no.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I mean, but he's a big man who has tons
of skills. He could do so many things.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
It's just that you're not going to ask him down
to stretch to carry us and have the killer instinct
and do the things to be dominant, like we saw
what a number of big men throughout the course of
history of Lajawan and Shaq and those things. And he's
happy with that. And they won a championship that way.
So you know, you understand he didn't become a score
until he got to the NBA. So mentality growing up wise,
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most scorers who joined the NBA, they were like that
coming up Lebron always scored and passed. I was always
a scorer. Kobe scored in college, I mean in high
school and then it led to the pros and Jordan,
like Anthony Davis was a defensive stopper, you know, he
was like a ten to ten guy with like six
or seven blocks. He didn't come in as a score,
but then he started developing his skills. So just naturally
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mentality wise, he's not thought of as a goat you guy.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's not a naturally easy scoring, gifted, fluid player. Yes,
although he can be a great score he had to
work at that.
Speaker 10 (38:01):
Most guys who scored twenty five points a game came
up like that looks easy.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, this though has jumped out to me. I like Embiid,
but I do feel that Embiid sometimes can't play a
complimentary role. Anthony exactly. Anthony Davis is maybe one of
the best complimentary players in the league. Yes, this has
almost highlighted my concerns with MB Not that he's overrated,
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but when I watch him beat on the floor, I
feel like he's getting in the way of the offense.
Have you played with great players who did that kind
of get in the way?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, the wayson he's getting the way because look how
big he is. On the smaller court. The court shrinks
in the Olympics.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
It's a smaller court, the three point line is smaller,
you know, so everything is kind of packed in, so
it looks like he's in the way.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Whereas in the regular season, over the last couple of years, he's.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Been the best scorer in the NBA because of you
can spread at the court. Olympic Olympic basketball doesn't look
like it fits him, Yeah, it doesn't because there's a
lot of switching. The big men are versatile that can
shoot the three, and it's tough for him to play
the pick and roll and switch on these guards, or
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it's tough for him to play their pick and roll
and rotate back out.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
To the big two's shooting threes at a high rate.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
And so that's why the defense gets better when you
have Bam out of Bayo out there, because he switches.
And so you always see this. The the US team
keeps making a run. Every time you put Bam and
eight in, they make a run immediately because it's the
defense their ability to switch, whereas indeed he can't switch,
So they're in a drop defense in the pick and roll.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
So that's why they're swing swing open threes at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And so it's the same formula over and over, the.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Same formula over and over every night.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
So if I'm the US, I would kind of like
maybe trying to I would start bam.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I would start bam, I really would.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I like what he brings because you don't have to
go to him.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You know what I'm saying. He's just out there. He
gonna set.
Speaker 10 (40:02):
Screens, he creates his own offense, offenser or you know,
ad the same thing. Yeah, you know, I think it's better.
Whereas for MB to be effective, you have to go
to him. He's a score, he needs the ball, he
needs to operate in space, and so if he's not
doing that, then he's sort of kind of wasted out there.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So your twentieth all time leading scorer, Hall of Famer,
you retired at thirty seven. Do you remember your last year?
Lebron at thirty nine is rolling go to your last year?
How did you feel?
Speaker 10 (40:30):
Listen, before I even got to my last year, I
remember my last three years. Like when I got the
year fifteen, I was like waking out of bed and
it was hit or miss.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It was like is this toe? Is this knee?
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Any given day, I can have sometimes type of tender
nights and something and like.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
You knew by you knew by nine forty five in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, if I was gonna have it or not.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And Americano didn't do it any good.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
No, did not do me any good.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
I probably need about three or four massages ice bass
all before game day.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is that how it works for radio hosts. I'll be
in big trouble, I know by five point fifty five
in the morning if I've got it. Paul Pierce the
Hall of Famer Nate Smith Basketball Hall of Famer inducted
a few years back. Proud to have him. Hour two
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