July 24, 2024 • 31 mins
3-time Pro Bowl WR DeSean Jackson joins the show in studio to talk about playing for both Andy Reid and Sean McVay
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere
deep threats and a three time Pro bowler, LA's Deshaun
Jackson stops by in studio. By the way, for people
that may not realize this, you have twenty six career
touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five
touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in
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league history. Thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards only
Jerry Rice has more. So to the very end, health
was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys.
So I want to start with this. Let's take Kansas City.
They have a young speedster like you. You were at cal
Long Beach, poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy
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is his name. Now, when you came into the league,
people said, well he's a little light. That's the knock
on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a
young receiver who's under one hundred and eighty pounds advice,
do you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
This it's crazy because you know in college, she reached
out to me a few times. We went back and
forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his
his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles
this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship
and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven
receivers and I had to do some scouting on him.
So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers, I did scouting,
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and personally myself, I would just say.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Don't make it bigger than what it is. It's football
at the end of day.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The reason why I came in early on as a
rookie and had successes because I came in and I
didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know,
I was very confident in myself regards to the stature
of the size. I was only like one sixty nine exactly.
Guys was like, Oh, he's not gonna do this. He's
not gonna do this, but I think gods if his
stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life.
So for me, I just always use that to advantage.
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You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't
gonna do this, So the nay sayers, I just used
it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove
to you I can do this. So me just make
the game not big. You know, it's football at end
of the day. Every step of the way, it gets faster,
guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt
and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let
people hit you Exavier. Hey, they can't. They can't hit
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what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So
at the end of the day, just stay fast man
and coach Reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna
put him in a great position to win.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, So for sure we love Andy. Now, you also,
you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know,
Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like
Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in
the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think
Jayden Daniels is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right,
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How many games will it take for you to go
that works? Like, do you need to see?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game?
What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's
gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see
him early?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you an
instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen,
I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had
Carson Wentz was our starter.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back
and Jalen Hurst was a number two quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That was the year they drafted him second round.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
They're like, why would you draft like Howie, why would
you draft him second round? You just paid Carson Wentz
all this money? Why would you pick this guy second round?
People didn't understand it, right, So speed up, Carson Wentz
gets hurt. Now we're in practice, we're in training camp,
and you know, obviously the second the second team always
go against the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice.
Me and How we sitting next to each other, and
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we're like, this guy is gonna be special. How he
looked over to me, he was like, d Jack, you
see that. I'm like, hey, you got something in that
guy right there? He was making the ones look like
they were like practice squad players. And I was like,
it was just something about his morale. He went into
the huddle, he took you know, ownership in the huddle.
He was calling out the plays, and it was just
it was he was laid back. It was like the
game wasn't too big for him. So I look at
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guys like that like Jayden Daniels and Caleb williamsge a
lot of starts in college and and honestly, for me,
I look at that to see like, how are you
gonna make the game look? Is it gonna be bigger
than you? Is it gonna be too much? Is gonna
be overwhelming? Are you gonna be complaining? Like you want
to see all that body language? You want to see
when you throw an interception? How do you you know,
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react to that? So for me, I just think those
guys they just got to show up early. But it's
gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be able
to see you know right away that oh they might
be that guy, but you might see glimpse of it
here and there.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott.
You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me,
it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback,
is he in command to control? Are you in control
of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I
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see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage.
I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because I
think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't think
he's as fast. I think he's better in the pocket
as a rookie. I think I watched him at Arizona State.
You did. I watched them at LSU. I think Caleb
Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I think Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Look that that has added pressure too. Is as far
as Kada Williams like. I think you know he's he
was at sc You know you're hot. You're in Hollywood.
You got all the lights, camera actionally. But one thing
I will say about Jayden Daniels and to you, to
your you know, remarkings on him. I think he's awesome.
I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.
You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're
kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's
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easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure.
Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to
a team where they added Keenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift,
you got the rookie from to Washington, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I think like it sets up for success.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But if he doesn't have the successes, like oh my god,
like now now what's next?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, we just let go of fields, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I think it's a little harder for him to
kind of like be set up for success. But jayde
and Daniels on the other side, he's kind of calm
selling under it, and he's like, you know, it sets
up for great success for him as well too.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who of all the corners you faced in your career,
So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion,
which you often do with smaller receivers to get them
free where there are one or two corners in the
NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be
a tough day.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
We actually every time we played. Uh and this is
early on in my crew. We used to play the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
A key to Lee.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was a very physical, received, very physical cornerback. He
pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was
like six three, his arms like from here to there,
and it was like he always used to come to
line screens. But it was very challenging for me. So
I thought early in my career he was like the
only guy that really like Jammy. I didn't I don't
get jam you know what I'm saying, But he got
me one time, and I was pissed off.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
That never happened again. But guys like him, I you know,
used to face Dyl Reeves. He used to give me
some good times.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
He's physical.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But like one thing about dryl he like he just
since route recognition. He was able to read rouse, he
was able to read the quarterback. And I think another
one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was a
longer statue of guy. He played in that legion of
Boom defense, like they were crazy in their era. But
I used to you know, honestly, what I would say,
God's never really wanted to guard me one on one.
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of
a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast,
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So like, who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one
hundred percent of the time throughout the game?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So for me, I think, you know it's I give
a lot of guys respect and credit, but throughout the
course of a game, there was no one that really
just followed me around the whole game like they had
safety help, you know, because they didn't bombs over bag that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You know, it's deep.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary
Monday Night Can My Dog.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I know you've been on your show a few times, Michael.
I love Michael. That's my boy man.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So Michael was such I mean when I was younger,
you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right,
maybe in college. Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks
in the NFL. What was it like to play with
Michael Man?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Honest, it was it was a dream come true for me.
Uh you know, I got a crazy story, so, uh
it was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean
was actually in the locker room and we got a
crazy call from uh coach Rees.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's like a young feeling. How you feeling, man, I'm like,
I'm good coach. Whenke was going on, you usually don't
call me. It was like, what would you do if
I told you we could get Michael Vick.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm like what, Like you said Michael Vick? Because you know,
she's fresh out of jail from a situation.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I'm not thinking that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling
me about Michael Vick, right, And this is when obviously
we had Donovan Minavivior.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So I'm like, oh Man, So he's like, ohd you feel?
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Like I grew up love with Michael Vick, Like you know,
he was like one of my first players that I
fell in love with, Like Michael Vick and Alan Iverson
and and Kobe Bryant is like three people that I
my game after, right, So I mean it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Was a dream come true.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It was no other person that I learned more in
my career because you know.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
How I grew up and how I was raised.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always
had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up.
You got the friends.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this
one thing go wrong, none of them, dude's gonna be
here for you, he said, Trust me.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I had a situation where.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
One of my boys I grew up with had a
little situation and they told on him and something crazy happened.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That how he got into the situation.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
He was like, man, if it ever gets bad, these
dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I
just learned a lot from him because he said, you know,
as a professional, you gotta go to work.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to.
I was the guy that tried.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
To bring everybody with me, let him experience games and traveling.
But sometimes you know that image is not what you
want to put out there. So for me, I learned
a line from Michael Vick as a big brother.
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best. Well,
he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the
best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from
other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had.
You hadn't mc harbed, John McDermott, chip, you had good coaches,
John Gruden. What what's different about Andy Reid?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think Andy reid Man. First off, like you said,
I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy
Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me.
I miss a father figure. It was like almost having
a dad two point zero to be able to coach
and to be able to like, you know, just command,
he can maar respect.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at
the same time he.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Loved you, so he'd bang on you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He would get on me boys.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So I mean when I tell you I used to
do things, he used to pull them glasses down to
give me that look. He got to say nothing. You
knew he was about business. You know what I'm saying
for me. He was from la He was a guy
that grew up and raised out here.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So he knew what it was like.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
He knew the temptation, he knew how I tried that,
you know, help and change the whole area that I
was raised in. So he was just always telling me, like,
when you come to work, ball got to be the focus.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This person needs help or he's asking for money, like
all that stuff you got to leave to the side.
So for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine,
you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty
one years old, you know, going into my second year,
and he knew what I endured and obviously my dad
meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and
Andy Reed stepping up to the plate and like almost
being like a dad in my life was like huge
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to men.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I will always love him.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent
me a text message talking about I had limits. He
said it, I had a flashbacks today I said, coach,
what you mean? I look at the video and he
sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing
the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy
catching the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I said, hey, coach, it's only one to Sean Jackson.
He said, he said, you're right, You're right, but you
see that. I said, I've seen that throat from that quarterback.
I said that.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man,
if i'ld have been able to play with Mahomes, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know what I remember the first Now, I follow recruiting,
so I knew who you were, and you were at
Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners.
It was kind of like sure the track team of
the West Coast Football. Tell me if you remember this
CAL hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk return for.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean, I remember leading up all week because you
got to remember this.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That was my sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So my freshman year we went to Tennessee and got
our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game,
you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was
a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and
ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm
looking at this, stad like, wow, this is big time football, right.
So year two, they come to col all week in practice,
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this punter is talking.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing
last year. I'm putting the ball, putting them.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So I'm reading all these all these these uh these
messages or whatever the case may be, had all these articles.
And so the first first come up in the game,
they went three and out, all stuff. Here comes the way,
Here comes the Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returned, right,
So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's
crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it
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was a gunner. He got like a free release and
my my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking,
I'm looking, I'm looking, as you see, I'm looking. I
catch it. I jumped back, so I make a mess.
So once I moved here, I looked to the right.
It was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh man,
I'm gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and
jump back on him and from there, man was it
was all.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
His Yea went not we should try to find that.
I remember watching that and you did sort of a
Michael Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And
Brent went nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Man, Now Berkeley's I don't look at you and go
to all us went to Berkeley, right, I'm like, Tony,
how did you hippie.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Living in trees?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
They was living in trees because around this time they
were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want
Did you like it?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I loved it?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California,
and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft
commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner
my number. I don't know if you know the story,
but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he
was recruiting him. And at the time SC and Polly
we had like a merge, like everybody from party was
going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had
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me in the head, like she was like, all right,
we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d
Jack right. So going throughout the process, I'm telling them like, Pee,
I'm like, you gotta give me that number one. I
need that number one. It's DJA is number one. I'm
staying home from LA And he ended up giving number
one to Patrick Turner. And before I committed, I'm like, well,
I committed, But before I officially committed, I was like,
you sure because.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Jeff Tevor he recruited me heavy.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I said, you know Calgs beat y'all cause you know
I was the year Aaron Rodgers beat them here in
the coliseum. I said, Calgi's beach'all. Are you sure I
can't get number one. He's like, yeah, we got to
give it to this guy. He's coming from out of
the time. I'm like, all right, made the move to
go to cal But for me, growing up in LA
is different. You know, Cale just was open arms and
I was able to really go and focus.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I feel like if I went to SCO, they had
too many distractions.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Staying here at home, Yeah, Cede Lamb has a lot
of leverage, so ton of leverage. Now, Brandon and I
you is upset, but they have so many weapons, right,
the teams got a little bit of leverage, no CD LAMB,
no receiving Core.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
No Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Have you ever held out? I have? It? Is it hard?
I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah,
but you want to get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve,
and I just was talking about this situation, I think
I fell into a situation where Drew Roadenhouse was my
agent around that time. Man Drew Rouadenhouse and the Eagles organization,
they they weren't really jelling well together on this time
because Too they had all this situation with Too and
the Eagles and Higher Rowsmen and all that joke little shot,
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so they was kind of already had like you know,
they was already an odd So I don't even think
it was me. It just kind of fell into the
play that Drew Rodenhouse was my agent. He was trying
a strong arm the Eagles and it's like we're not
going for it. But Drew rosen House was like, we're
not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I love ball.
Like all I know is I'm like, I'm not going
to camp. Like what are you talking about? I'm not
going to camp?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And throughout the proces. I think it was like a
five or six day holdout.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and
you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to
get that new money. I ain't trying to go into
camp at that negative base, right, So it ended up
working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys,
I mean a lot of times you never know how
the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes
they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee lamb.
I think he's definitely deserving them a new contrail question.
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You know, the past two years alone, he led the league.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
He led the league in receptions over the past two years,
you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and received
he was third. So I mean, and the guys has
been getting paid. There's no there's no doubt in my
mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you know,
justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Finally, uh, briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage,
it's my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he
was thirty. I got interns that are almost that old.
So when you were with McVeigh his energy. Yeah, I mean, like,
what is it like to have a coach that's younger
than some of the players exactly?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So I got an interesting story.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of
the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got
a call you know from my agent at the time
was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with
the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and
talked to Joe and was like, man, how was we
want to talk to d Jack. We want to know
how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I
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was in Washington with it for three years.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
How is he as a leader?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They called you, they.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Called I was like one of three players that so
they called me, and you can if you ever talked
to me by you could ask him not lie. They
called me, They called Trent Williams and I want to say,
every buddy, that's my dog. And then I want to
say they called Pierre Garsson at the time too, right, say,
just was curious on like, you know, how is he?
Because one thing that a lot of people don't know.
So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington. Jay Gruden
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never got up in front of offense and did any
play any plays installed.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, Sean McVay handled everything.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually
a very personable guy because he goes up and he
takes control, he takes ownership. And at this time Sean
McVay was like twenty twenty eight, twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean he was young.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
He would control the room like he had that respect
and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys
that come up and it's like, you know, I'm in meetings,
I got to hear another dude talk. But like how
engaged McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew
his stuff ex's and o's, the ins and outs of
the plays. It was just like you would thought he
everything was his philosophy, right. So I was like, man,
he's a great coach. He's young, but he knows how
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to take ownership. He could take control of the room.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And I think I actually helped him get that job
in LA I.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Heard he interviewed with the Rams and they came to
the conclusion, we can't let him get on a plane.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
When I tell you he's ax, when I tell you
he's an expert.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I don't like to use this word geek, but
when it comes down to plays and just how he
sets up, like Cooper Cup obviously is a heck of receiver.
He had like two or three crazy years. But I
mean just to see, like guys asking me because I
played with Cooper Cup, They're like, man, how was Cooper
Cup getting open this wide open?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm like, for one, he can run routes. For two,
he's very smart.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And for three, Sean McVay the way he played calls
and the way he schemes for that they're never wrong.
And then not only that, you got Matthew Stafford. He's
a creature out the world as well too. I think
he doesn't get too much credit he deserves.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Man, he's a he's a.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Baller by the way, pooka nakua out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And I went to training camp last year and McVeigh
with him, McVeigh and yards wide receiver coach, they were
sitting in there was like, d Jack, D Jack, look
what I got. Because I was out there, I was
gonna I was gonna coach, but I was like, man,
when I seen him hours and stand up, my knees
start hurting. I said, hey, man, I can't coach. I said, man,
I can't do this. So I went out there for
a few days, but I swear every day they kept
telling me, look at that guy Pooka, look at that
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guy Pooker.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So I'm seeing him and I'm like, yeah, I'll see a.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Little something, but that fast, I ain't expect to see
what I what I just seen this past year.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Watched him at b YU in Washington, and I'm like,
I don't think he can separate, man a. He's physical,
be the whole league plays zone. So he's a smart
kid who understands how any first Another thing is he
always breaks the first tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
No, definitely Cooper's like that as well too.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So I mean that that team man in there with
Matthew Stafford and then my young boy over there too
to out will.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I think, you know, he'll have a great year this
year or too.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
But uh, you know, it's it's crazy, man, just sitting
back and seeing how the league is advanced. Man, it's
the offensive league. Now you got you know what McDaniel's
doing over there with uh with Tyreek and Jaylen Waddow. Man,
I mean I'm here to love it. Like you know,
you get a lot of older guys to retire and
they kind of hate on the young guys. I mean,
I'm here for the guy, the money they're making, and
how the leagues turn into an offensive game, and I'm
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here for it.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I love it, man. I think I can still play too, car.
I don't know what you think.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think the Rams can I be.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
A wire number two? And uh what we just saying?
Dallas Dallas two? Right, I don't know. I think Jerry
Jones need to You need to give me a call.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I'm still It's safe my money like one eighty five.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You still work out.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I still work out.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
This is the most out of every you know, all
these years I try to gain where I can never
gain weight now and it took two years off.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I got a little belly over here.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Hey man, what a pleasure to see you again. You're
always welcome on our show. Unbelievable career. And I met
Deshaun years ago at an event and you're just light
the room up.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I was partying, he was having a good time, and
I had to come out there and get some cheers.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Man, I I try to avoid a bad time.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Hey, man, congrats, So Audisty says, you're doing too. Man,
you're killing and you're out. You're doing your thing on
this on this network, man, this platform. Appreciate you, Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1 (22:58):
Jashaun Jackson a whole lot of fun, well traveled, one
of the great deep threats of all time. Jmack with
a news.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Hear on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Let's check in on your buddy, c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You are a big fan.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
You've got him on all your quarterback top ten lists. Well,
now he gets a great weapon in Stefan Diggs. Dig
said that you.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Are already well on their way to building a great connection.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
There's a work in progress. I'm not gonna say everything
is perfect, but you see it's kind of getting on
the same page here and there, and you know nothing's
gonna be perfect.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, I starve for it, I'd be grind for it.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
But getting on the same page play after play, and
that communication, that open line of communication, I feel like
that's going really separated seeing that we have such a
small period of time. But this isn't my first rodeo.
I'm by no means Brian vindor will you know this?
The same football we've been playing since we were five,
uh and seven is special. I think everybody kind of
knows that. Not must reiterated, though, because I see a
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first hand what I'm saying and taking a play after
playing building So it's a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Fun to watch, It's amazing what a great quarterback can do. Unwatchable.
It's one of the best watches in the league. Is
it weird?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Like the Bucks had an out of character year, made
the playoffs, won a game. Everybody's all excited, But there's
really not that same excitement for Tampa that there is Houston,
even though they were basically carbon copies of one another
last year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well, but I also think CJ. Stroud, we're all kind
of going is he a top five quarterback. Oh, and
he's pretty good after one season. Listen, how long does
it take to see great?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
You saw great a year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I saw Lamar Jackson's and then you pulled back. I
saw Lamar Jackson his rookie year play the Chargers lives,
and there was no doubt about it. The Chargers didn't
quite know what to do. Yeah, I mean just I
think great. Good is hard to decipher. Great is easy
to spouse.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
This has Trevor Lawrence had one season as good as CJ.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Shroud had last year. I think that both they both
had one really good year. I also think Houston's roster
got really good, really fast. Jack Jack's roster's not bad, No,
but I mean he inherited I mean a great left tackle.
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They were okay defensively. I don't know, it's a good question.
I mean CJ. Frankly, that's about as good a rookie
quarterback year. I mean, I've four thousand yards, one hundred
passer ratings. I think CJ's past year has been better
than Trevor's. And he was clutched a lot fourth quarters.
Got I remember I remember first week you watch him
all right? Second week, I remember watching him and he
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made a huge throw and I thought, oh my god,
you can't make that throw. That's not luck, that's just
this isn't all. This is a great quarterback. I remember
watching Kyler Murray Burrow Herbert's first game member Tyrod Taylor
had a medical emergency and they threw Herbert and he
gets Mahomes and You're like, quite a minute time out?
(26:03):
What am I watching? Like? It doesn't take long to
see great?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Next up Bryce Young. He went before CJ. Stroud last
year in the draft and really struggled last season. But
the Panthers are going to turn things around in twenty
twenty four. Camp opened yesterday and Panthers GM Dan Morgan
said they're getting confident Bryce is committed to getting better.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I think Bryce is one of the hardest working men
you know in that locker room right now. I know
he's on a mission. I know he's committed to being great.
I know he's committed to this franchise and making this
franchise great. So we're going to try to do everything
weekend in our power to surround him with the best players,
the best protection, you know, receivers, running backs. So we
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got to do our part as well. But I know
Bryce is hungry, he's focused, and we're super excited about him.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
This guy Dan Morgan was playing too long. I felt
like he was recent, right, I mean just for him. Yeah,
you got It's like Demiko Ryans, Dan Morgan. When you
get to these positions at that age, you're you're a
rock star. I mean, Sean McVay, thirty head coach like
Dan Morgan, Demico Ryan, Sean McVay, you don't get jobs.
I mean you you wouldn't want to hire Dan Morgan.
(27:19):
You'd be like, he just played, I can't make him
a GM. Do you know how good Dan Morgan had
to be in the interview, or Sean McVay had to
be in the interview, or Demiko Ryans. You would prefer
not to hire a football coach who was like three years,
four years in San Francisco. His first year I think
he was it wasn't even a position. He was, you know,
controller or something.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Owner has stepped in in a bunch and I think
they wanted to late, Let's get a Carolina player that
was Bill loved.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, so that was the move getting Morgan. I'm looking
at the you know, you're way higher than me on Caroline.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
I don't know way, but I am higher pro football focus.
If you look at the roster for the Panthers, there's
not a lot of great there. And Colin, I know
you're a big say you know it when you see it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
If Bryce Young hasn't been great by Thanksgiving, it's kind
of if over No.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I agree. I do think last year's unfair. I I
think he'll look I thought he had the worst receiving
core in the league, including New England. I think you
will go into Thanksgiving saying there's something there.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Quickerly start your career with two seasons of total crack.
Now they went and got him some help because.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They'll be drafting.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
They could be drafting in the top five.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Schedules not easy. They're not gonna win a lot of games.
But if my take is it's not about winning and
lou if they win six games and he looks the part,
I'd feel okay with it. But if he wins seven
and they're doing it with defense, you got to draft
another quarterback. It's not a win thing. Does he look
the part? Carolina Giants in Germany, that's a that's a
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rough one, not easy.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Anyways, let's move on from the Panthers and the final
story Colin is the since Sinnati bungles, they use their
franchise tag on T Higgins and this is probably gonna
be his last year in Cincinnati. While getting tagged may
not have been his first choice, he decided to commit
to the team.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And go for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I do like that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He said he didn't want to hold out and missed
the chance to grind the season out with his teammates.
They got super Bowl talent on this team that's undeniable,
the top end talent. But this does feel like the
window will shrink after the season.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So Joe Mixon's gone, always underrated, Tyler Boyd's gone. Tyler
Boyd's gone. So their depth you know you paid Burrow
now the depth of talent is sketchy. That's that's the deal.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And the defense has got a little worse last year.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
They've got there a little top heavy. They got four
or five great players and then there's some holes.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
It's hitting that critical mass where it's like, okay, are
we going to be able to Are our draft picks
gonna hit because we've got to get rid of the
expensive guys.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm t Higgins is gonna be fascinating. Is he a
one or is he a one? B?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Is he I think he's I think he's like Michael Pittman,
I feel like he's a great two.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Well, Colin, he's facing number two cornerbacks all the time
and they can't give safety help because Jamar Chase is
on the other side. You go to Carolina and be
a number one, you'll be facing top cornerbacks around the league.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know on Higgins.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I like him a lot. I think he's a great
number two. It could be the best two in the
league perhaps. Michael Pittman of Caroline, Indy like you just big,
strong productive. Is he a one low end one high
high high too? Yeah? Yeah. J Mack with the news,
Well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
What are Higgins' numbers? I'm gonna guess seventy five catches,
four touchdowns, five touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
It's weird that you ask for that, because I had
a guy on my podcast who said T. Higgins is
a top ten receiver in the league. Who timeout, And
I was like, wait a minute, and then you look
at his numbers last year he missed like five games.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What did he happen?
Speaker 6 (30:52):
He was like ninety ninth in the league in receptions.
You only had forty two catches last year. Well he
got hurt, he did, he missed five games. But like
year before, year before, thousand yards, seven touchdowns, seventy four catches.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, that's what he is mid seventy catches, six seven touchdowns.
That's a great two. He's a great two.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I like him, so do I. DeShawn Jackson and Nick
Wright crashed today, So good to see toshan funny guy,
willing to put it out there. I asked him during
the break, who's your best friend currently in the league,
and he's like Trent Williams. He's like that dude is
a house good guy to know. Now, Trent is all
that's that's a top five left tackle in the history
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of the sport. Walter Jones, Anthony Munos, I'll leave a
bunch of guys out. Jonathan Ogden, we'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere
deep threats and a three time Pro bowler, LA's Deshaun
Jackson stops by in studio. By the way, for people
that may not realize this, you have twenty six career
touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five
touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in
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league history. Thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards only
Jerry Rice has more. So to the very end, health
was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys.
So I want to start with this. Let's take Kansas City.
They have a young speedster like you. You were at cal
Long Beach, poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy
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is his name. Now, when you came into the league,
people said, well he's a little light. That's the knock
on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a
young receiver who's under one hundred and eighty pounds advice,
do you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
This it's crazy because you know in college, she reached
out to me a few times. We went back and
forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his
his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles
this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship
and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven
receivers and I had to do some scouting on him.
So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers, I did scouting,
(01:46):
and personally myself, I would just say.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Don't make it bigger than what it is. It's football
at the end of day.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The reason why I came in early on as a
rookie and had successes because I came in and I
didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know,
I was very confident in myself regards to the stature
of the size. I was only like one sixty nine exactly.
Guys was like, Oh, he's not gonna do this. He's
not gonna do this, but I think gods if his
stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life.
So for me, I just always use that to advantage.
(02:15):
You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't
gonna do this, So the nay sayers, I just used
it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove
to you I can do this. So me just make
the game not big. You know, it's football at end
of the day. Every step of the way, it gets faster,
guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt
and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let
people hit you Exavier. Hey, they can't. They can't hit
(02:36):
what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So
at the end of the day, just stay fast man
and coach Reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna
put him in a great position to win.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, So for sure we love Andy. Now, you also,
you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know,
Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like
Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in
the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think
Jayden Daniels is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right,
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How many games will it take for you to go
that works? Like, do you need to see?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game?
What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's
gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see
him early?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you an
instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen,
I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had
Carson Wentz was our starter.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back
and Jalen Hurst was a number two quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That was the year they drafted him second round.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
They're like, why would you draft like Howie, why would
you draft him second round? You just paid Carson Wentz
all this money? Why would you pick this guy second round?
People didn't understand it, right, So speed up, Carson Wentz
gets hurt. Now we're in practice, we're in training camp,
and you know, obviously the second the second team always
go against the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice.
Me and How we sitting next to each other, and
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we're like, this guy is gonna be special. How he
looked over to me, he was like, d Jack, you
see that. I'm like, hey, you got something in that
guy right there? He was making the ones look like
they were like practice squad players. And I was like,
it was just something about his morale. He went into
the huddle, he took you know, ownership in the huddle.
He was calling out the plays, and it was just
it was he was laid back. It was like the
game wasn't too big for him. So I look at
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guys like that like Jayden Daniels and Caleb williamsge a
lot of starts in college and and honestly, for me,
I look at that to see like, how are you
gonna make the game look? Is it gonna be bigger
than you? Is it gonna be too much? Is gonna
be overwhelming? Are you gonna be complaining? Like you want
to see all that body language? You want to see
when you throw an interception? How do you you know,
(04:41):
react to that? So for me, I just think those
guys they just got to show up early. But it's
gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be able
to see you know right away that oh they might
be that guy, but you might see glimpse of it
here and there.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott.
You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me,
it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback,
is he in command to control? Are you in control
of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I
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see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage.
I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because I
think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't think
he's as fast. I think he's better in the pocket
as a rookie. I think I watched him at Arizona State.
You did. I watched them at LSU. I think Caleb
Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I think Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Look that that has added pressure too. Is as far
as Kada Williams like. I think you know he's he
was at sc You know you're hot. You're in Hollywood.
You got all the lights, camera actionally. But one thing
I will say about Jayden Daniels and to you, to
your you know, remarkings on him. I think he's awesome.
I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.
You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're
kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's
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easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure.
Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to
a team where they added Keenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift,
you got the rookie from to Washington, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I think like it sets up for success.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But if he doesn't have the successes, like oh my god,
like now now what's next?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, we just let go of fields, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I think it's a little harder for him to
kind of like be set up for success. But jayde
and Daniels on the other side, he's kind of calm
selling under it, and he's like, you know, it sets
up for great success for him as well too.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who of all the corners you faced in your career,
So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion,
which you often do with smaller receivers to get them
free where there are one or two corners in the
NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be
a tough day.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
We actually every time we played. Uh and this is
early on in my crew. We used to play the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
A key to Lee.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was a very physical, received, very physical cornerback. He
pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was
like six three, his arms like from here to there,
and it was like he always used to come to
line screens. But it was very challenging for me. So
I thought early in my career he was like the
only guy that really like Jammy. I didn't I don't
get jam you know what I'm saying, But he got
me one time, and I was pissed off.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
That never happened again. But guys like him, I you know,
used to face Dyl Reeves. He used to give me
some good times.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
He's physical.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But like one thing about dryl he like he just
since route recognition. He was able to read rouse, he
was able to read the quarterback. And I think another
one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was a
longer statue of guy. He played in that legion of
Boom defense, like they were crazy in their era. But
I used to you know, honestly, what I would say,
God's never really wanted to guard me one on one.
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of
a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast,
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So like, who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one
hundred percent of the time throughout the game?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So for me, I think, you know it's I give
a lot of guys respect and credit, but throughout the
course of a game, there was no one that really
just followed me around the whole game like they had
safety help, you know, because they didn't bombs over bag that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You know, it's deep.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary
Monday Night Can My Dog.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I know you've been on your show a few times, Michael.
I love Michael. That's my boy man.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So Michael was such I mean when I was younger,
you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right,
maybe in college. Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks
in the NFL. What was it like to play with
Michael Man?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Honest, it was it was a dream come true for me.
Uh you know, I got a crazy story, so, uh
it was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean
was actually in the locker room and we got a
crazy call from uh coach Rees.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's like a young feeling. How you feeling, man, I'm like,
I'm good coach. Whenke was going on, you usually don't
call me. It was like, what would you do if
I told you we could get Michael Vick.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm like what, Like you said Michael Vick? Because you know,
she's fresh out of jail from a situation.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I'm not thinking that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling
me about Michael Vick, right, And this is when obviously
we had Donovan Minavivior.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So I'm like, oh Man, So he's like, ohd you feel?
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Like I grew up love with Michael Vick, Like you know,
he was like one of my first players that I
fell in love with, Like Michael Vick and Alan Iverson
and and Kobe Bryant is like three people that I
my game after, right, So I mean it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Was a dream come true.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It was no other person that I learned more in
my career because you know.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
How I grew up and how I was raised.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always
had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up.
You got the friends.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this
one thing go wrong, none of them, dude's gonna be
here for you, he said, Trust me.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I had a situation where.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
One of my boys I grew up with had a
little situation and they told on him and something crazy happened.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That how he got into the situation.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
He was like, man, if it ever gets bad, these
dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I
just learned a lot from him because he said, you know,
as a professional, you gotta go to work.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to.
I was the guy that tried.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
To bring everybody with me, let him experience games and traveling.
But sometimes you know that image is not what you
want to put out there. So for me, I learned
a line from Michael Vick as a big brother.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best. Well,
he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the
best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from
other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had.
You hadn't mc harbed, John McDermott, chip, you had good coaches,
John Gruden. What what's different about Andy Reid?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think Andy reid Man. First off, like you said,
I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy
Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me.
I miss a father figure. It was like almost having
a dad two point zero to be able to coach
and to be able to like, you know, just command,
he can maar respect.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at
the same time he.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Loved you, so he'd bang on you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He would get on me boys.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So I mean when I tell you I used to
do things, he used to pull them glasses down to
give me that look. He got to say nothing. You
knew he was about business. You know what I'm saying
for me. He was from la He was a guy
that grew up and raised out here.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So he knew what it was like.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
He knew the temptation, he knew how I tried that,
you know, help and change the whole area that I
was raised in. So he was just always telling me, like,
when you come to work, ball got to be the focus.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This person needs help or he's asking for money, like
all that stuff you got to leave to the side.
So for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine,
you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty
one years old, you know, going into my second year,
and he knew what I endured and obviously my dad
meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and
Andy Reed stepping up to the plate and like almost
being like a dad in my life was like huge
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to men.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I will always love him.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent
me a text message talking about I had limits. He
said it, I had a flashbacks today I said, coach,
what you mean? I look at the video and he
sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing
the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy
catching the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I said, hey, coach, it's only one to Sean Jackson.
He said, he said, you're right, You're right, but you
see that. I said, I've seen that throat from that quarterback.
I said that.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man,
if i'ld have been able to play with Mahomes, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know what I remember the first Now, I follow recruiting,
so I knew who you were, and you were at
Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners.
It was kind of like sure the track team of
the West Coast Football. Tell me if you remember this
CAL hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk return for.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean, I remember leading up all week because you
got to remember this.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That was my sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So my freshman year we went to Tennessee and got
our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game,
you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was
a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and
ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm
looking at this, stad like, wow, this is big time football, right.
So year two, they come to col all week in practice,
(12:53):
this punter is talking.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing
last year. I'm putting the ball, putting them.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So I'm reading all these all these these uh these
messages or whatever the case may be, had all these articles.
And so the first first come up in the game,
they went three and out, all stuff. Here comes the way,
Here comes the Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returned, right,
So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's
crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it
(13:18):
was a gunner. He got like a free release and
my my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking,
I'm looking, I'm looking, as you see, I'm looking. I
catch it. I jumped back, so I make a mess.
So once I moved here, I looked to the right.
It was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh man,
I'm gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and
jump back on him and from there, man was it
was all.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
His Yea went not we should try to find that.
I remember watching that and you did sort of a
Michael Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And
Brent went nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Man, Now Berkeley's I don't look at you and go
to all us went to Berkeley, right, I'm like, Tony,
how did you hippie.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Living in trees?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
They was living in trees because around this time they
were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want
Did you like it?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I loved it?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California,
and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft
commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner
my number. I don't know if you know the story,
but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he
was recruiting him. And at the time SC and Polly
we had like a merge, like everybody from party was
going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had
(14:32):
me in the head, like she was like, all right,
we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d
Jack right. So going throughout the process, I'm telling them like, Pee,
I'm like, you gotta give me that number one. I
need that number one. It's DJA is number one. I'm
staying home from LA And he ended up giving number
one to Patrick Turner. And before I committed, I'm like, well,
I committed, But before I officially committed, I was like,
you sure because.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Jeff Tevor he recruited me heavy.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I said, you know Calgs beat y'all cause you know
I was the year Aaron Rodgers beat them here in
the coliseum. I said, Calgi's beach'all. Are you sure I
can't get number one. He's like, yeah, we got to
give it to this guy. He's coming from out of
the time. I'm like, all right, made the move to
go to cal But for me, growing up in LA
is different. You know, Cale just was open arms and
I was able to really go and focus.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I feel like if I went to SCO, they had
too many distractions.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Staying here at home, Yeah, Cede Lamb has a lot
of leverage, so ton of leverage. Now, Brandon and I
you is upset, but they have so many weapons, right,
the teams got a little bit of leverage, no CD LAMB,
no receiving Core.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
No Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Have you ever held out? I have? It? Is it hard?
I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah,
but you want to get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve,
and I just was talking about this situation, I think
I fell into a situation where Drew Roadenhouse was my
agent around that time. Man Drew Rouadenhouse and the Eagles organization,
they they weren't really jelling well together on this time
because Too they had all this situation with Too and
the Eagles and Higher Rowsmen and all that joke little shot,
(16:07):
so they was kind of already had like you know,
they was already an odd So I don't even think
it was me. It just kind of fell into the
play that Drew Rodenhouse was my agent. He was trying
a strong arm the Eagles and it's like we're not
going for it. But Drew rosen House was like, we're
not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I love ball.
Like all I know is I'm like, I'm not going
to camp. Like what are you talking about? I'm not
going to camp?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And throughout the proces. I think it was like a
five or six day holdout.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and
you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to
get that new money. I ain't trying to go into
camp at that negative base, right, So it ended up
working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys,
I mean a lot of times you never know how
the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes
they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee lamb.
I think he's definitely deserving them a new contrail question.
(16:49):
You know, the past two years alone, he led the league.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
He led the league in receptions over the past two years,
you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and received
he was third. So I mean, and the guys has
been getting paid. There's no there's no doubt in my
mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you know,
justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Finally, uh, briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage,
it's my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he
was thirty. I got interns that are almost that old.
So when you were with McVeigh his energy. Yeah, I mean, like,
what is it like to have a coach that's younger
than some of the players exactly?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So I got an interesting story.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of
the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got
a call you know from my agent at the time
was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with
the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and
talked to Joe and was like, man, how was we
want to talk to d Jack. We want to know
how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I
(17:52):
was in Washington with it for three years.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
How is he as a leader?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They called you, they.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Called I was like one of three players that so
they called me, and you can if you ever talked
to me by you could ask him not lie. They
called me, They called Trent Williams and I want to say,
every buddy, that's my dog. And then I want to
say they called Pierre Garsson at the time too, right, say,
just was curious on like, you know, how is he?
Because one thing that a lot of people don't know.
So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington. Jay Gruden
(18:18):
never got up in front of offense and did any
play any plays installed.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, Sean McVay handled everything.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually
a very personable guy because he goes up and he
takes control, he takes ownership. And at this time Sean
McVay was like twenty twenty eight, twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean he was young.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
He would control the room like he had that respect
and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys
that come up and it's like, you know, I'm in meetings,
I got to hear another dude talk. But like how
engaged McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew
his stuff ex's and o's, the ins and outs of
the plays. It was just like you would thought he
everything was his philosophy, right. So I was like, man,
he's a great coach. He's young, but he knows how
(18:58):
to take ownership. He could take control of the room.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And I think I actually helped him get that job
in LA I.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Heard he interviewed with the Rams and they came to
the conclusion, we can't let him get on a plane.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
When I tell you he's ax, when I tell you
he's an expert.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I don't like to use this word geek, but
when it comes down to plays and just how he
sets up, like Cooper Cup obviously is a heck of receiver.
He had like two or three crazy years. But I
mean just to see, like guys asking me because I
played with Cooper Cup, They're like, man, how was Cooper
Cup getting open this wide open?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm like, for one, he can run routes. For two,
he's very smart.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And for three, Sean McVay the way he played calls
and the way he schemes for that they're never wrong.
And then not only that, you got Matthew Stafford. He's
a creature out the world as well too. I think
he doesn't get too much credit he deserves.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Man, he's a he's a.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Baller by the way, pooka nakua out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And I went to training camp last year and McVeigh
with him, McVeigh and yards wide receiver coach, they were
sitting in there was like, d Jack, D Jack, look
what I got. Because I was out there, I was
gonna I was gonna coach, but I was like, man,
when I seen him hours and stand up, my knees
start hurting. I said, hey, man, I can't coach. I said, man,
I can't do this. So I went out there for
a few days, but I swear every day they kept
telling me, look at that guy Pooka, look at that
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guy Pooker.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So I'm seeing him and I'm like, yeah, I'll see a.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Little something, but that fast, I ain't expect to see
what I what I just seen this past year.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Watched him at b YU in Washington, and I'm like,
I don't think he can separate, man a. He's physical,
be the whole league plays zone. So he's a smart
kid who understands how any first Another thing is he
always breaks the first tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
No, definitely Cooper's like that as well too.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So I mean that that team man in there with
Matthew Stafford and then my young boy over there too
to out will.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I think, you know, he'll have a great year this
year or too.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
But uh, you know, it's it's crazy, man, just sitting
back and seeing how the league is advanced. Man, it's
the offensive league. Now you got you know what McDaniel's
doing over there with uh with Tyreek and Jaylen Waddow. Man,
I mean I'm here to love it. Like you know,
you get a lot of older guys to retire and
they kind of hate on the young guys. I mean,
I'm here for the guy, the money they're making, and
how the leagues turn into an offensive game, and I'm
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here for it.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I love it, man. I think I can still play too, car.
I don't know what you think.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think the Rams can I be.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
A wire number two? And uh what we just saying?
Dallas Dallas two? Right, I don't know. I think Jerry
Jones need to You need to give me a call.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I'm still It's safe my money like one eighty five.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You still work out.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I still work out.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
This is the most out of every you know, all
these years I try to gain where I can never
gain weight now and it took two years off.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I got a little belly over here.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Hey man, what a pleasure to see you again. You're
always welcome on our show. Unbelievable career. And I met
Deshaun years ago at an event and you're just light
the room up.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I was partying, he was having a good time, and
I had to come out there and get some cheers.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Man, I I try to avoid a bad time.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Hey, man, congrats, So Audisty says, you're doing too. Man,
you're killing and you're out. You're doing your thing on
this on this network, man, this platform. Appreciate you, Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1 (22:58):
Jashaun Jackson a whole lot of fun, well traveled, one
of the great deep threats of all time. Jmack with
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Speaker 2 (23:08):
Hear on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Let's check in on your buddy, c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You are a big fan.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
You've got him on all your quarterback top ten lists. Well,
now he gets a great weapon in Stefan Diggs. Dig
said that you.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Are already well on their way to building a great connection.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
There's a work in progress. I'm not gonna say everything
is perfect, but you see it's kind of getting on
the same page here and there, and you know nothing's
gonna be perfect.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, I starve for it, I'd be grind for it.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
But getting on the same page play after play, and
that communication, that open line of communication, I feel like
that's going really separated seeing that we have such a
small period of time. But this isn't my first rodeo.
I'm by no means Brian vindor will you know this?
The same football we've been playing since we were five,
uh and seven is special. I think everybody kind of
knows that. Not must reiterated, though, because I see a
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first hand what I'm saying and taking a play after
playing building So it's a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Fun to watch, It's amazing what a great quarterback can do. Unwatchable.
It's one of the best watches in the league. Is
it weird?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Like the Bucks had an out of character year, made
the playoffs, won a game. Everybody's all excited, But there's
really not that same excitement for Tampa that there is Houston,
even though they were basically carbon copies of one another
last year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well, but I also think CJ. Stroud, we're all kind
of going is he a top five quarterback. Oh, and
he's pretty good after one season. Listen, how long does
it take to see great?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
You saw great a year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I saw Lamar Jackson's and then you pulled back. I
saw Lamar Jackson his rookie year play the Chargers lives,
and there was no doubt about it. The Chargers didn't
quite know what to do. Yeah, I mean just I
think great. Good is hard to decipher. Great is easy
to spouse.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
This has Trevor Lawrence had one season as good as CJ.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Shroud had last year. I think that both they both
had one really good year. I also think Houston's roster
got really good, really fast. Jack Jack's roster's not bad, No,
but I mean he inherited I mean a great left tackle.
(25:21):
They were okay defensively. I don't know, it's a good question.
I mean CJ. Frankly, that's about as good a rookie
quarterback year. I mean, I've four thousand yards, one hundred
passer ratings. I think CJ's past year has been better
than Trevor's. And he was clutched a lot fourth quarters.
Got I remember I remember first week you watch him
all right? Second week, I remember watching him and he
(25:43):
made a huge throw and I thought, oh my god,
you can't make that throw. That's not luck, that's just
this isn't all. This is a great quarterback. I remember
watching Kyler Murray Burrow Herbert's first game member Tyrod Taylor
had a medical emergency and they threw Herbert and he
gets Mahomes and You're like, quite a minute time out?
(26:03):
What am I watching? Like? It doesn't take long to
see great?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Next up Bryce Young. He went before CJ. Stroud last
year in the draft and really struggled last season. But
the Panthers are going to turn things around in twenty
twenty four. Camp opened yesterday and Panthers GM Dan Morgan
said they're getting confident Bryce is committed to getting better.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I think Bryce is one of the hardest working men
you know in that locker room right now. I know
he's on a mission. I know he's committed to being great.
I know he's committed to this franchise and making this
franchise great. So we're going to try to do everything
weekend in our power to surround him with the best players,
the best protection, you know, receivers, running backs. So we
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got to do our part as well. But I know
Bryce is hungry, he's focused, and we're super excited about him.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
This guy Dan Morgan was playing too long. I felt
like he was recent, right, I mean just for him. Yeah,
you got It's like Demiko Ryans, Dan Morgan. When you
get to these positions at that age, you're you're a
rock star. I mean, Sean McVay, thirty head coach like
Dan Morgan, Demico Ryan, Sean McVay, you don't get jobs.
I mean you you wouldn't want to hire Dan Morgan.
(27:19):
You'd be like, he just played, I can't make him
a GM. Do you know how good Dan Morgan had
to be in the interview, or Sean McVay had to
be in the interview, or Demiko Ryans. You would prefer
not to hire a football coach who was like three years,
four years in San Francisco. His first year I think
he was it wasn't even a position. He was, you know,
controller or something.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Owner has stepped in in a bunch and I think
they wanted to late, Let's get a Carolina player that
was Bill loved.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, so that was the move getting Morgan. I'm looking
at the you know, you're way higher than me on Caroline.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
I don't know way, but I am higher pro football focus.
If you look at the roster for the Panthers, there's
not a lot of great there. And Colin, I know
you're a big say you know it when you see it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
If Bryce Young hasn't been great by Thanksgiving, it's kind
of if over No.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I agree. I do think last year's unfair. I I
think he'll look I thought he had the worst receiving
core in the league, including New England. I think you
will go into Thanksgiving saying there's something there.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Quickerly start your career with two seasons of total crack.
Now they went and got him some help because.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They'll be drafting.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
They could be drafting in the top five.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Schedules not easy. They're not gonna win a lot of games.
But if my take is it's not about winning and
lou if they win six games and he looks the part,
I'd feel okay with it. But if he wins seven
and they're doing it with defense, you got to draft
another quarterback. It's not a win thing. Does he look
the part? Carolina Giants in Germany, that's a that's a
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rough one, not easy.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Anyways, let's move on from the Panthers and the final
story Colin is the since Sinnati bungles, they use their
franchise tag on T Higgins and this is probably gonna
be his last year in Cincinnati. While getting tagged may
not have been his first choice, he decided to commit
to the team.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And go for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I do like that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He said he didn't want to hold out and missed
the chance to grind the season out with his teammates.
They got super Bowl talent on this team that's undeniable,
the top end talent. But this does feel like the
window will shrink after the season.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So Joe Mixon's gone, always underrated, Tyler Boyd's gone. Tyler
Boyd's gone. So their depth you know you paid Burrow
now the depth of talent is sketchy. That's that's the deal.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And the defense has got a little worse last year.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
They've got there a little top heavy. They got four
or five great players and then there's some holes.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
It's hitting that critical mass where it's like, okay, are
we going to be able to Are our draft picks
gonna hit because we've got to get rid of the
expensive guys.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm t Higgins is gonna be fascinating. Is he a
one or is he a one? B?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Is he I think he's I think he's like Michael Pittman,
I feel like he's a great two.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Well, Colin, he's facing number two cornerbacks all the time
and they can't give safety help because Jamar Chase is
on the other side. You go to Carolina and be
a number one, you'll be facing top cornerbacks around the league.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know on Higgins.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I like him a lot. I think he's a great
number two. It could be the best two in the
league perhaps. Michael Pittman of Caroline, Indy like you just big,
strong productive. Is he a one low end one high
high high too? Yeah? Yeah. J Mack with the news,
Well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
What are Higgins' numbers? I'm gonna guess seventy five catches,
four touchdowns, five touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
It's weird that you ask for that, because I had
a guy on my podcast who said T. Higgins is
a top ten receiver in the league. Who timeout, And
I was like, wait a minute, and then you look
at his numbers last year he missed like five games.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What did he happen?
Speaker 6 (30:52):
He was like ninety ninth in the league in receptions.
You only had forty two catches last year. Well he
got hurt, he did, he missed five games. But like
year before, year before, thousand yards, seven touchdowns, seventy four catches.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, that's what he is mid seventy catches, six seven touchdowns.
That's a great two. He's a great two.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I like him, so do I. DeShawn Jackson and Nick
Wright crashed today, So good to see toshan funny guy,
willing to put it out there. I asked him during
the break, who's your best friend currently in the league,
and he's like Trent Williams. He's like that dude is
a house good guy to know. Now, Trent is all
that's that's a top five left tackle in the history
(31:32):
of the sport. Walter Jones, Anthony Munos, I'll leave a
bunch of guys out. Jonathan Ogden, we'll see you tomorrow
in LA. It's the herd.
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