July 31, 2024 • 41 mins
Nick Wright joins the show to talk about Jayson Tatum, Caleb Williams' attention to detail, the worst teams in the NFL, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, welcome in an hour two in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamak.
My kids got back from their big trip to watch
the Olympics and to hang out and h so funny
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when you're my kids the stuff that they love. Like,
I'm like, how was uh, how was your you know
flight and everything, and how is your trip? And she's like,
oh my, we had two meals.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
On the plane and I'm like, well, yeah, it was
like eleven hour flying. She's like, oh, they were delicious
and we got then they brought cheese on at the end,
and I'm like, you know, you got to be grateful
for the little things.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
They you know, did they Virgin Atlantic? Is that what
they flew?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
No, they flew just uh, you know. Actually, if you
look up the best global airlines, you know an airline
that may be the best in the world. Well, Emirates
is never.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Like my brother's flying Emirates right now.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's supposed to I've never been on it's supposed to be. Yeah,
you can shower and work out. Air France is actually
really Air France is probably better than our best airlines
that my daughter said that, he's like that, that's a
whole different ball game. I am like, well, you did
get the big bus, you know, you do the direct
La France. You get the big bus. Oh yeah, so
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that's you know, nice, it's nice. So hard knocks HBO.
So I've said before, I don't love the league, the NFL.
I don't love them mandating that you have to do this.
I don't think it's fair. And they always pick the
bad teams. So it's like time out, you know, we
don't a the bad teams need all the help they
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can get. Cameras around their training camp does not help.
And now the NFL's added a second all access show
mid season. I don't like it. I like the access
I get selfishly, but I don't think it's I mean,
the last thing, the New York Giants need is more dysfunction.
It's us seeing it and camera. I don't care if
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you were the nicest family in the world, if you
put cameras around your family for six months, they'd see
some bad language, and they'd see your temper, and you know,
they'd see the authentic you. We all go to work
and smile and say the nice stuff, and then you know,
we all have bad days and bad moments. I have
been amazed by the access HBO has, and I don't
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think it's made Joe Shane, the GM in the front office,
look all that buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So they leaked their draft board, so now it wasn't
in the pre draft, so that's good. But draft boards.
I had the great honor to be in the Chargers
draft board years ago and they color coded this, you know,
character issues, injury concerns. They also have color codes for
team leader, captain, great guy can build around him, and
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that color coding got out. Now it's not the end
of the world, but it could be potentially if there's
a character issue used against the Giants and people on
the internet. I haven't seen it, but the staff says
that it's all over the internet. Today, and so I
think when you have the Giant situation where you've got
an owner that's growing inpatient, I believe there's a couple
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of things they do well. I think the coach is
really smart. Their defensive line is a handful most of
my life. The Giants have gotten the defensive line right.
But you know, we know now that they wanted to
move off Daniel Jones right the first couple of episodes.
That's probably not great for the confidence of Daniel Jones.
If Fox was doing some all access show and I
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was hearing about my bosses, you know, we like this
other guy. Actually we'd like to move up on the
draft board and get this probably not great for my
mentals and self confidence. So the draft board leaking out
in the end, it's not the end of the world.
It's no big deal, but it does confirm my feeling
about the best teams in the NFL that they're really
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really buttoned up. And sometimes with the Giants, and maybe
this is unfair because they they're giving up so much access,
they don't look entirely buttoned up. Again, you put cameras
around everybody, you're gonna get their worst moments and it's
not like HBO, they could do eight thousand hours of
film and they're gonna use twenty eight minutes of it.
So I understand that you're gonna take the chaotic bites,
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but it hasn't always been great in my opinion watching it.
Nick Wright, haven't talked to him in a while. First
things first, Host, So, I have been watching a lot
of Olympics. I the other day I was just glued
to our men's gymnastics team NBC. I think it's done
a great job of storytelling. I've also watched the men's
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and the women's basketball. So let let's talk about the
men's team. If I said to you what jumps off
the TV? Nick, what to you has maybe surprised you
or has been the thing that just is you can't unsee?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I mean, the best players are the oldest guys.
I mean, Lebron has been the best player by far.
KD came back for one game he looked like the
best player, played basically a perfect game of basketball, and
Steph has been as consistent. The only other guy who's
even in the conversation is Anthony Davis. And so under
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this format with rest between games with these guys, I
know KD obviously coming off, you know, a injury scare,
but otherwise the guy's healthy. I really think that you
can make the case that those are the best American
born players still.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
So that jumped out to me.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
And it's remarkable that Steph, Lebron, and KD are all
older than Larry Bird was in the ninety two Olympics.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
When in the ninety two Olympics it was like, oh,
that's old broken Bird. Well, Lebron Bird was thirty five.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Lebron turns forty in a few months, Katie and Stepford
thirty five and thirty six, So that is in and
of itself remarkable to me. The other thing that obviously
has jumped out is it wasn't a mistake to not
play Jason Tatum, and I think people are looking at
it a little wrong, which is Tatum is not competing
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with Drew Holliday or Derek White for minutes because those
guys have specific roles as defensive guards. He's obviously not
competing with bam Ad or Embiid for minutes because those
are the bigs, and Embiid's obviously been disappointing. He is
competing with the Wings for minutes, which means he's competing
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with Lebron James, who is better than him, Kevin Durant,
who in one game certainly looks better than him, and
then the question mark Devin Booker. But with this short
and three point line, those long twos Booker loves so
much are actually threes. And he's been excellent, And so
I don't blame Steve Kerr for not playing Jason Tatum.
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It is just an odd few months for Jason Tatum
where he finally it shouldn't say finally, he wins a championship,
and somehow winning the championship and then being on the Olympics,
he might have a ring and a gold medal, and
when people are doing their one through ten NBA player
rankings they move Tatum down over the last couple months.
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That's incredibly odd, but obviously it jumps out.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I want to shift to the NFL. And I had
said this earlier. The gap between the all timers and
even very good players, and Tatum is a great example
very good player. The gap between an all NBA guy
and a legend Lebron's Michael Kobe Shagan is gigantic. Here's
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the gap between Mahomes and everybody else. The top one
hundred players voted on by the players has come out.
The Chiefs don't have a single player in the first ninety.
They are absurdly top heavy Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey, Mahomes.
The Jets have six, the Dolphins have seven, the crappy
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Giants have two, Denver's got two. The Chiefs have none.
And it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
He's behiners, Yeah, you're the Chiefs. By the Niners, who
the Chiefs has beaten the Super Bowl have seven in
the top thirty. They have seven in the top thirty.
The Chiefs, you know, have now to be fair, you know,
I think Creed Humphrey should.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Have on there.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I think he's the best center in football now that
Kelsey retired. I think Trent McDuffie should have been on there.
He was an All Pro corner, but he wasn't Lugerius Sneid,
who's no longer on the team, was an All Pro
caliber guy. He also was not on the top one hundred.
So it's not even like, oh, but they had a
guy who then left the team.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yet what they have is I think I.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Think the Chiefs have a lot of good young players
and then the greatest player in the history of the league,
not the most accomplished, not the goat, I understand that,
but the most talented, uplifting, make everyone their best self player,
and obviously a great scheme to go along with it.
And then you had Travis Kelce, who is the greatest
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postseason receiver ever, like that's receiver or tight end. The
most prolific postseason bass catcher ever is Travis Kelce. And
Chris Jones, who is now the Aaron Donald's retired the
best d tackle in football.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
All of that comes together, you don't have to have
an all star team. Now.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The Niners, on the other hand, do have an all
Star team, and they have according to you know, this list,
one of the ten best quarterbacks in football. Quarterback ranked
number twenty eight on the list. I think that's absurd
on its face. I don't think there's anyone that actually
thinks Brock Purty is better than Matt Stafford, but he
ends up higher on the list than him. And so yeah,
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I mean, it was a little surprising to me that
Creed Humphrey didn't make the list, but other than that,
you kind of knew it would be Mahomes, Kelsey and
Chris Jones, and then a bunch of guys that folks
you know, tend not to they either overlook or tend
not to believe in until they're holding the trophy at
the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So this is a little thing. I can just see it.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You're gonna get me crap for this, but you shouldn't
because you're a great poker player and polker is about
detail and precision and bluffing, so's you're probably you probably
lied to me half the time. You're probably a great bluffer.
So I said this years ago, and we have the
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video of it. There was a moment with Dak Prescott
and I got crap for this, But he threw a
cup over his shoulder and it missed the garbage can
and he went and picked it up and put it
in because somebody else was going to have to do
that if he didn't. And I thought he was a rookie,
and I thought, oh, this is a moment. He gets it.
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He's not a narcissist, he's not selfish, and he also
knows just be respectful for the environment. So Caleb Williams
talked to his teammates the other day. There's a story out.
He said, guys, the locker room's a mess. Clean it up.
Got janitors here doing all of our work. We're grown men.
Clean this crap up. It's embarrassing. And one of his
teammates came out, a veteran and said, man, he gets
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it like it's about the details. And I know this
has a hat on backwards feel to it. Well, I'm
honestly ahead. I looked at that with Caleb Williams and
I went, it's gonna work that. It's gonna work on that.
And look at your laughing at me. You're already laughing
at it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
No, I'm not laughing into you. This is this is
what I tell my youngest daughter. Sometimes I'm not laughing
at you. I'm smiling out loud. This is just I'm
so happy with this. You can hear it like no,
because here is the thing it is. This is one
of those things you say, like the hat on backwards thing,
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that if the quote is pulled, you will have.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
People attack you.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And yes, in a way it is absurd, but also
in a way, much like the hat on backwards thing,
it is the exact mind frame that all of us
use to evaluate people or personalities or actions.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
It's this to me.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I'm gonna use not the apples tapples and analogy, but
I'll land the plane, I promise. I think that there
is nothing more disqualifying about a human being that you could,
you know, just casually observe than if they treat people
in the service industry terribly agree. I'm like, oh, you
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just don't have you. There are things about you that
I know I won't like that. I don't I know
just from observing that one thing, that you and I
are going to be fundamentally opposed on a lot of things.
So I think that is the same logic of that.
And I remember the Dak thing from eight years ago,
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which was, oh, it's not everything, and if he hadn't
gone and picked it up, it would be. It wouldn't
necessarily be a big deal, but it does give you
a small window into who that person is. And Caleb Williams,
who I do think one of the unfair knocks on
him was going to be entitled spoiled diva. The fact
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that he is saying, hey, guys, let's not leave all
of this to the janitorial staff or the trainer not trainers,
but the equipment managers. I do think that is a
bit of a window. So I don't think that that
is nothing. I don't think it's ridiculous. Now there's a
little confirmation bias for me, I'm sure, because I think
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the Bears are gonna be excellent, and I think Caleb
is going.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
To be great.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But whenever, if people are watching this and saying that's ridiculous,
I think a good test is always well, what if
the exact opposite.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Story came out? How would you think about it?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
What if the story that came out is Bear's locker
room pretty pristine except for Caleb Williams stall, which is
a pig style. Everybody's picking up after themselves except for him.
He's got old gatorade bottles and dirty towels and all
of it. That would if that would be at least
a little concern for the franchise quarterback, then the opposite
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has to be at least a little reassuring for the
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Finally, well maybe not finally. I said yesterday in the
day before, and I got a lot of crap for it.
I said, listen, if you pay your quarterback fifty five million,
I don't want an asterisk. There's no asterisks. With Tua,
it's the only quarterback where as long as he doesn't
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have to play in cold weather, I love him. Well,
I can't pay a fifty five million I saw the
Kansas City game and that's with Tyreek Hill, the best
deep threat in the league. So Jordan Love may be
young and raw, but there's no qualifying. He's got a whip,
he can move, he's smart, good at the podium, coachable.
Tua's got an asterisk and not even the injuries. The
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last five AFC Championship games are played in thirty three
degree weather with Wind. I don't like the contract. It's
double what I would have paid him.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, you tell me so, I don't listen. The love thing.
Let me start on love just quickly.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Love is just very unique because we've never had a
player get to the end of their rookie deal and
seem to warrant this type of extension with this small
of a playing sample. Yeah, and so the love but
what we've seen is excellent. But there is a concern
in the back of your head of man, what if
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he just caught fire for two months? We don't have
enough to you know, base it off of. But you
had no choice Tua. I feel like everyone knows what
he is, and some people are just I guess they
feel like it's mean to admit it, which is he
is a physically limited, undersized quarterback who has an ideal
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roster of weapons, an excellent offensive minded head coach, and
despite that, plays his worst football of the year against
his best bet opponents. Last year, the reason they had
to go to Kansas City in round one was because
Baltimore and Buffalo beat them in week.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Seventeen and eighteen.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And he also, obviously, to your point, doesn't play well
in the cold. So to me, the Tua contract is
bad on multiple levels. The first one is this, even
if you think he's good Colin, does anyone think during
this contract he is going to be better than mahomes
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Lamar Josh CJ. Stroud And I think I'm leaving one
out that everybody loves. But that's for oh Joe Burrow,
Thank you the Joe Burrow. That's five in his conference.
That's not even to mention your guy, Justin Herber, my
guy Trevor Lawrence. Throw all those guys out, even his
biggest supporters. I don't think believe he's going to be
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top five in his conference. If you're not top five
in your conference, then you're probably not going to be
able to.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Earn this contract.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
And the other piece of it that I think is
just to me obvious, but a lot of people struggle with,
is you don't have an obligation to pay a guy
at this position based on what he's done. You have
an obligation to your team to pay a guy based
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on what you think he will do. And by paying him,
you know he's not going to have this type of
roster or supporting cast around him long term, and so
I would not have done it. I also on the
cold weather part of it, Colin, it is interesting. Not
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being able to play well in cold weather is a
way bigger AFC problem than NFC problem because in the AFC,
the best teams the Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens the
last few years, Cincinnati the year before, the Jets, if
Jamax right and they get it together. The only team
that's been consistently in the mix is Miami that is
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not outdoor cold weather. Houston obviously will see if they
get there.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
They have a dome.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
The NFC, on the other hand, it's Green Bay and
Philly are.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Outdoor cold weather. Dallas is a dome.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
San Francisco's decent weather, Detroit's well, the whole NFC North
essential or not the NFC South, I should say, plus
Detroit's a dome, Minnesota's a dome, the Los Angeles rams.
You might be able to play in the NFC and
get through a playoff run without having to go outside.
You're not going to be able to do that in
the AFC unless Miami gets the one seed, and I
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don't think Tua has proven that he's good enough start.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
To finish in the season to get a one seed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'm going to circle back to something. This will be
my finally as I watch one of the things that
struck me before what struck you was, Oh wait, Anthony
Davis and Lebron if you count the exhibition games, maybe
the two best players. It is almost an indictment of
the Lakers that the two best players in the world.
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AD has just been dominant and Lebron's best player. Am
I take his? And they're not winning a playoff game?
Like what I was my take it, it's like, if
I'm Laker fantom, if we just get a three, if
we just get a third, what do you what do
you make of my percent?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
So it's totally maddening. I totally.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It's an indictment on coaching, it's an indictment on roster construction.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
And the Lakers, much like the.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Dallas Cowboys, this offseason has decided, you know what, we
weren't close to good enough last year, so let's make
no changes. And there has been a rush in the
media over the last few years to prematurely downgrade Lebron's
stature in the league as far as his player ranking,
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because it's like, oh, he's in year nineteen, always in
year twenty, he's in year twenty one, he's almost forty
years old. When Lebron is producing, not at the level
he was a decade ago, where he was hands down
the best player in the world. But where again, the
point I was making at the beginning, take out Luka,
Jokic and Jannis, those three guys. Is there a player
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alive who is obviously clearly better other than those three
guys than Lebron James is right now? I don't think so.
I think he's the best player on Team USA. If
someone wants to say, well, Shay Gilges Alexander Fine, I
disagree but fine, that would put.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Lebron at five.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Anthony Davis has been healthy the last year and a half,
he's been available, and the Lakers still can't get anything done.
And so yeah, that is an indictment on Polenka. It's
an indictment on Darvin ham also, and I know they
want a title with him, but these Olympics have not
been great for Frank Vogel's stature either. It's like, well,
I had Lebron and Ad, then I had Kevin Duranton,
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Devin Booker. I could do nothing the last few years
with either one of them. They all seem to be
pretty good at this stage.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
So yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
An incredibly frustrating thing. And one last point on this colin,
because Lebron is locked in and emotionally super invested, I
wonder if it is bouncing around in the back of
Lebron's head, man, these might be the last really meaningful
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basketball games of my life. Yes, yes, if he stays
with the Lakers, yes, And they're clearly not making any
more moves, as his plan is only to play one
or two more years. He might while I'm sure he believes,
well maybe we can go further. I'm sure he is
recognizing it's on the board that the highest stake games
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I play in the rest of my basketball life are
these next few weeks in Paris.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, it reminds me of Brady's last couple of years.
They won the Super Bowl. Then they had to move
on off people and they didn't have quite the roster,
and it did feel like in the biggest moments, you know,
Tom still had it. Tom wanted you to know, Oh,
I could keep playing. I'm still I don't have I
don't have the roster, I don't have the old line.
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But I'm the same way. I do think Tom at
the end the games for Tom and Lebron most of
their career, they've prepared diligently for every game. But I
do think at the very end, Uh, Tom and Lebron
are like, no, these games actually mean more this. Yeah,
I want to go.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
On that note. Yeah, on that note.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Started interrupt But I know we have to go just real,
just the next time, because I know you and Tom
at this point are you know, personal deep personal friends? Yeah,
close friends. You know he hangs out on the couch.
You guys chat the next time, you guys.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Have one of your powwows.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I know it's going to be about you know, Cowboys, Browns,
and is broadcasting on Fox in the NFL. Carve out
two minutes to get his take on that exact thing,
about his take on the Lebron at this stage in
his career, because I don't know that I've ever heard
Brady talk long form about Lebron, but they're those two guys,
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and like, maybe Leonel Messi are the only people in
the world who really know what the other person's going through.
I'd be super interested in that. So when you're talking
with your buddy Tommy, who I know you call him
off the air, like if you could ask him about that,
that'd be helpful for all.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Have as many hats. And Nick is now a producer
for The Herd, which.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Is yeah, anything.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The more you can do, that's what they always say, Colin,
the more you can.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Do the great Swiss army knife of my generation. They're great.
Good see anybody see all right, but that is true Messi, Brady,
Aaron Donald, that's pretty good class right there. As a
soccer guy.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, a little pushback against these are Lebron's final, hugely
important games.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You think they're getting through con Seriously, the denver O
case see.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Barely five hundred at like the All Star and went
to the finals. Let's not overreact.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but they also have one of the top three
players in the world in his prime.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
What Lebron and ad are one of the best due
or not.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Lebron's not in his prime.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I don't know his Olympic performance said, those.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Are again one game a week, two games a week
with the best players. The NBA is a schlog. It's
it's once you get out of your prime. It's eighty
two games Olympics. All my teammates are great, and I
played twice a week against significantly inferior competition South and.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Dan's only a twenty eight point underdog today.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
If you look for me, that's a whole different ball difference.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Finals two years ago. I don't think it's over for
the Lakers. I know you guys want to shovel dirt
on the grave of the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's fine, go for it. Not for me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I am not beloved in that building.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
But you have you wanted to trade Anthony Davis like
two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Now you're like, well he's two years ago. Okay, okay, okay,
I'm willing to pivot. Yes, move off stuff. There's a
new guy, new body, new durability. I like him now,
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Speaker 1 (26:30):
By the way, I gave one of the people around
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And the energy in this building today palpable. Anyway, all
I'm doing trying to elevate America. Jmack with a news No,
no on the news.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
All right, your buddy Sean Payton has a heated quarterback
competition in Denver.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So they move off Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yeah, they draft bon Nicks, They signed Zach Wilson, and
they have the incumbent backup Jared Stidham.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Zach Wilson was figured to be in the mix.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I mean he was running with the ones. All of
a sudden he was skipped in the rotation for first
team reps yesterday, Sean.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
They chimed in, Look we've got it, we've got a plan.
Yesterday Bob ran with the ones, Zach with the twos.
Today Steady was with the ones. So no news to
announce there you talk. I know you're looking for, but.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Surean just a clear fall, would Zach get time for
the ones?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Looks like Bonick is taking over the rains. What about Stidham,
He'll be.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Uh back up, that's what you're supposed say.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
What about it? Well, sixty quarterbacks played. I have no
problem with you carrying three quarterbacks. I got Stittam's you
know he's a two or a three, But I got
no problem with you. You know you're gonna use a
backup at some point. Most teams in this league. Does
look like Bonix has separated.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
The calendar doesn't even say August.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you right now. I think
I'll of all the teams in the league, the idea
that Denver has the worst roster in the league. So,
first of all, they arguably have the best corner and
a top five safety. They have two backs P Ryan
I think it's Williams the other one.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Jevonte Williams coming off some injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And P Rhynd capable tight ends. They have Mims, Courtland
Sutton and the rookie Franklin who Bonick's played with. They
have an elite guard at, an excellent left tackle and
a brilliant offensive play designer and collar. This idea that
Denver has no talent is nonsense. They have seven or
eight elite players, really high end guy.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
How many guys in the top one hundred though two
so far?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Patrick Artana bo Nix will be there by next ue.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Oh stop it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Goodness, gracious, I know you love that guy, but goodness,
that's over the top. All right, let's go to ooh Miami.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Things got heated at Dolphins camp yesterday and it wasn't
just the temperatures in Miami. There was a big scrum
at a battle and Tyreek Hill saw it as a positive, saying,
I think the fight.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Today was amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We need that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
This is where you fight.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
And then after practice, Jalen Ramsey had a big speech
about how the team needs to be the bully this
season Miamy talking tough Colin huh ah, scrappy.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't think fights at practice there. I mean, I'm
not rooting for them, but i'll I'll make an argument
that the NFL should reduce their preseason to two games
and elevate their inner squad scrimmages significantly. There's no reason
for four games. They reduced it to three. I would
reduce it to two. Listen, this has been my argument forever.
(29:59):
College football has no preseason games, and you're only allowed
seventeen hours of practice a week, and they figure it
out and in Week one they can play. These are
kids with classes, girlfriends on campus, young immature players don't
have any preseason and LSU and USC seasons will be
decided to some degree, at least the perception how good
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they are on Week one. You could do no preseason.
To me, I don't think that'll ever happen, but I
would reduce the preseason and have more of these inner
squad practices. And when you do these inner squad practices
and you have like two to three, so you invite
the Raiders in town for two days or the Dolphins,
that's when the fights break out. When you're playing you know,
you're playing guys practicing two and three times against the
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same guys. If the Giants do team practices with the Ravens,
by the third practice, there's fights.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I mean, you don't want to practice the Giants, They're garbage.
You're not getting You might as well do an inner
squad scrimmage. No, that's more competitive than the Giants. But
let me, let's just recap the Dolphins offseason. Okay, yeah,
Tyreek Hill says, I need to get paid more once
Jefferson gets paid, Okay, okay, then next up, Tua is
I need to get paid. That gets paid, show me
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the money. And now Jalen Ramsey talking about being a bully.
A lot of talk, a lot of talk, a lot
of noise out of these Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, I don't have them as a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Well I'm just gonna I'm looking at their depth chart here.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So basically their best two defensive linemen Wilkins Chubb. They're
coming off injuries a cllen Achilles. They're not even gonna
start the season. Wilkins is gone. So now you're potentially
starting two rookies on the edge. Chop Robinson out of
Penn State and another guy that h Colin. This defense
is a joke, like it is terrible.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Top Robinson is gonna play.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
He's got some chops.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right, he's good.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
But the offensive line is spotty at best. I don't
want to say the windows already closed because they were
good last year. Remember they were leading the division.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
A fell apart physically.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
They often fall apart late.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
His temperatures get cold. We've been over this.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
It's not rocket science. I don't know about this Dolphins
seam this year. I can see things unraveling. Tyreek Hill unhappy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Jill Ramsey. Well, we also know and this is we
know they're not Buffalo, so let's just eliminate that. Also,
Cincinnati gets Burrow, Herbert gets Harbaugh, Trevor Lawrence gets his
best roster, and Anthony Richardson's back. Those wild card spots
are going to be much more competitive this year. Last
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year it was Aaron Rodgers got hurt, Burrow gets hurt,
Herbert gets hurt. Last year, you could may have been
the last easy year for five years to get into
the AFC playoffs. You could kind of slide your way
into it. The guys that had bad coaches, now have
good coaches. Trevor Lawrence has his best roster C J. Stroud.
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Year two, there's no.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Other than Rogers.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You can still sneak into the NFC playoffs as a
wild card. Maybe you know you're not a great team.
Last year Green Bay was a bunch of kids and
they got into the playoffs. They probably don't in the AFC.
But the AFC last year, because of the quarterback injuries,
is the last team mimian and not gonna be. The
AFC is loaded and the teams getting in are gonna
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be really good as long as the quarterbacks mostly stay healthy.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
All right, final story, Let's go to the Olympics where
Team USA has their second group play match here in
about what ninety minutes against South Sudan. Yeah, obviously they
only narrowly beat South Sudan in the exhibition game. But
let's talk about Joe Olympi because he has not had
a great Olympics.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He only played eleven.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Minutes in the opener against Serbia.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
He seemed to kind of pout during the media exhibit
media time there this week and said, this is a
great setting for me because I'm playing with a lot
of great players in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm used to being the guy. Now you got to
give it up.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I'm loving it.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Adding I really want to make sure I empower my teammates,
so this is a great experience for me.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He's being booed.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Every time he touches the ball because he could have played.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
For He's also been lousy for the offense he's gotten
in the West.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
He's a ball stopper with the Sixers.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
He gets the ball at the elbow, same thing, and
it's like, Okay, what am I going to do here?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Past He's like taking this time like that doesn't fly
with this team.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
If somebody has convinced him that he's just a brilliant
perimeter player and a d was forced to go outside.
The Lakers wanted him to become more perimeter. He didn't
like it. He went back in and dominated. So some
ad was shooting too many jumpers, moved in and back
to dominate. To me, Embiid's got to be eight to
twelve feet from the basket. He's too often on the perimeter.
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Get him out of there.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, I'll just say this. I don't think he's not
going to play like at all in the second half today.
But South Sudan has a lot of wings and guards
and switches in threes that ain't em beat Embiid is
a center. He is a seven footer. He's not gonna
move great on the perimeter. I don't think this is
a great matchup. I don't expect a lot of playing
time from him today.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Don't freak out if he has a terrible game. He's
just not having a great Olympic.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Well, they also have a D and bam, so they've
got Biggs. Yes, side, it's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
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Speaker 9 (35:23):
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We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
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Speaker 1 (35:51):
So the NFL players, they do this annually vote on
the one hundred top players in the league. So you know,
quarterback is what we all stare at. So now they're
down to the first ninety players. Now Mahomes and Lamar
are not in it yet, so I can assure you
that Mahomes will be number one or two. I would
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imagine number one. Lamar will be somewhere in the top ten.
So that will mean they have twelve quarterbacks so far.
For our radio audience, I'll read this, they have Josh
Allen as the third best quarterback in the league, so
Lamar Lamar is going to be somewhere two to eleven.
Mahomes will be number one. So quarterbacks in the NFL
that are rated in this top one hundred. Obviously it's
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all positions. So there's Josh Allen at twelve, Jalen Hurts fifteen,
Dak At sixteen, c J. Stroud twenty, Brock Purty to
twenty eighth. Best player voted on by players, Jordan Love
thirty four to two at thirty six, Joe Burrow thirty nine,
Matt Stafford criminally underrated at forty two, Jared Goff ditto
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at forty eight, Justin Herbert likewise at seventy five, Kirk Cousins,
Aaron Rodgers ninety two, Trevor Lawrence at ninety four. So
what does that tell you? It tells you so far.
Let's see one, two, So far there are is that
fourteen I'm counting, and they've and they've got two more coming.
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So sixteen of the one hundred best players will be quarterbacks,
sixteen of the one and half the league. So half
the league is working the phones and trying to find
the guy. The other half has their guy. Is basically
the easiest way to say it. Half the league they
got their dude. Half the league wants their dude. And
(37:41):
I don't really have a problem with the first three mahomes.
Alan Lamar put him in any order you want, I'm
good with it. What do you make of Well, let
me just ask you anything that jumps out to.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
You, Jalen. Let's remind the audience that this voting took
place like last November, and if you've I think around
that time, there's a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Why aren't like Jordan's love hadn't didn't carve up the
Cowboys yet.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
I Love hadn't really done much. And by the way,
the Chiefs at that time were not a juggernaut by
any stretch. The forty nine ers were, which.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Is why they have a ton of guys on the
on the list here, I just noticed Kyler Murray. You
think he cracks the top ten? Your guy completely left off.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
The top Hine.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, well, let me just say this, he was injured
last year. Well, and the players a lot of times
are good at playing. To have you would admit Stafford
at forty two below TUA even you would acknowledge below
brought pretty Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
You have to remember last year TUA was on fire.
They dropped like seventy points on the on the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
They were offensive like.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
One of the all time great offenses.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Last Stafford last year was on fire in November two good.
He had a very good season last year.
Speaker 7 (38:58):
I think the bigger star was Pooka and it was like, oh,
it's better than Cooper Cup and.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
It was less about Stafford. Yeah, listen, I can't get
too worked up about these lists.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
No, I'm just throwing it by the way angry. No,
I'm not angry right now, you've got fourteen, you've got
two more. What it's telling you is the players view
Aaron Rodgers as the fifteenth best quarterback in the league.
He played four snapss well. But again, remember players, people
have memories. It's not like you know. I this is
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actually in fairness, I think Aaron's closer to fifteenth than
one at this point in his career. I do not
think if you go to his last year at Green
Bay with a good old line, with a good coach,
with good weapons, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
What's he gonna do this year thirty five hundred yards,
twenty five touchdowns like average numbers.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I think he will look like somewhere between the tenth
and fifteenth best quarterback. That's where I think he is
at this point. Yeah, and I think the rest of
the world except the players, have Aaron in the top six.
I do not. I don't think that's why. I think,
forty years old off surgery, so so committed off season,
I don't put him there crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
They're probably gonna be a We're gonna run the ball
a lot and win with defense. That's my guest.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
This is not gonna be Aaron Rodgers airing it out
thirty five times a game.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I just I don't see that in the cards.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Stroud, Sure maybe, but I mean I think both of
us think this morning. Jordan lover Aaron Rodgers. I think
Jordan's better.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Wait for this season, Yes, no question.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
He's younger, he's got a better arm, he moves better,
don't have the injuries, he's more committed.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
All right, I'll give it to you. I'll give it
to you, not by a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'm not saying the gaps, the Grand Canyon. I'm saying,
Look when I watched Jordan love play, his movement, his
his arm, Dude, can he can spin it? Yeah? I
wish speak of told I mean here, but by the way,
our staff excellent work here last ten starts, including the
playoffs between the two of that. And by the way,
those numbers aren't particularly close. Nine of those ten games
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or Packer games. So give me a break on Aaron
doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
What if we extend it from ten to I don't know,
seventeen Like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Aaron, Aaron, Jordan doesn't even barely a seventeen starts interesting.
Don't forget Aaron's first year as a starter six and ten.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
What what you sandbag and side?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't think I again, this is not a criticism
forty years old off of surgery with a rebuilt old line. Yeah,
but I'm just saying, is I think again? Aaron's a
first bout Hall of Famer. I think he's closer to
the fifteenth best quarterback than the first.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
How's this? Aaron Rodgers has stuff to prove this year.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yes, I don't think Jordan Love does right. He is
both do well.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
Rogers definitely does coming off the injury our three in
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, welcome in an hour two in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamak.
My kids got back from their big trip to watch
the Olympics and to hang out and h so funny
(00:48):
when you're my kids the stuff that they love. Like,
I'm like, how was uh, how was your you know
flight and everything, and how is your trip? And she's like,
oh my, we had two meals.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
On the plane and I'm like, well, yeah, it was
like eleven hour flying. She's like, oh, they were delicious
and we got then they brought cheese on at the end,
and I'm like, you know, you got to be grateful
for the little things.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
They you know, did they Virgin Atlantic? Is that what
they flew?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
No, they flew just uh, you know. Actually, if you
look up the best global airlines, you know an airline
that may be the best in the world. Well, Emirates
is never.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Like my brother's flying Emirates right now.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's supposed to I've never been on it's supposed to be. Yeah,
you can shower and work out. Air France is actually
really Air France is probably better than our best airlines
that my daughter said that, he's like that, that's a
whole different ball game. I am like, well, you did
get the big bus, you know, you do the direct
La France. You get the big bus. Oh yeah, so
(01:48):
that's you know, nice, it's nice. So hard knocks HBO.
So I've said before, I don't love the league, the NFL.
I don't love them mandating that you have to do this.
I don't think it's fair. And they always pick the
bad teams. So it's like time out, you know, we
don't a the bad teams need all the help they
(02:10):
can get. Cameras around their training camp does not help.
And now the NFL's added a second all access show
mid season. I don't like it. I like the access
I get selfishly, but I don't think it's I mean,
the last thing, the New York Giants need is more dysfunction.
It's us seeing it and camera. I don't care if
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you were the nicest family in the world, if you
put cameras around your family for six months, they'd see
some bad language, and they'd see your temper, and you know,
they'd see the authentic you. We all go to work
and smile and say the nice stuff, and then you know,
we all have bad days and bad moments. I have
been amazed by the access HBO has, and I don't
(02:52):
think it's made Joe Shane, the GM in the front office,
look all that buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So they leaked their draft board, so now it wasn't
in the pre draft, so that's good. But draft boards.
I had the great honor to be in the Chargers
draft board years ago and they color coded this, you know,
character issues, injury concerns. They also have color codes for
team leader, captain, great guy can build around him, and
(03:22):
that color coding got out. Now it's not the end
of the world, but it could be potentially if there's
a character issue used against the Giants and people on
the internet. I haven't seen it, but the staff says
that it's all over the internet. Today, and so I
think when you have the Giant situation where you've got
an owner that's growing inpatient, I believe there's a couple
(03:43):
of things they do well. I think the coach is
really smart. Their defensive line is a handful most of
my life. The Giants have gotten the defensive line right.
But you know, we know now that they wanted to
move off Daniel Jones right the first couple of episodes.
That's probably not great for the confidence of Daniel Jones.
If Fox was doing some all access show and I
(04:06):
was hearing about my bosses, you know, we like this
other guy. Actually we'd like to move up on the
draft board and get this probably not great for my
mentals and self confidence. So the draft board leaking out
in the end, it's not the end of the world.
It's no big deal, but it does confirm my feeling
about the best teams in the NFL that they're really
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really buttoned up. And sometimes with the Giants, and maybe
this is unfair because they they're giving up so much access,
they don't look entirely buttoned up. Again, you put cameras
around everybody, you're gonna get their worst moments and it's
not like HBO, they could do eight thousand hours of
film and they're gonna use twenty eight minutes of it.
So I understand that you're gonna take the chaotic bites,
(04:49):
but it hasn't always been great in my opinion watching it.
Nick Wright, haven't talked to him in a while. First
things first, Host, So, I have been watching a lot
of Olympics. I the other day I was just glued
to our men's gymnastics team NBC. I think it's done
a great job of storytelling. I've also watched the men's
(05:12):
and the women's basketball. So let let's talk about the
men's team. If I said to you what jumps off
the TV? Nick, what to you has maybe surprised you
or has been the thing that just is you can't unsee?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I mean, the best players are the oldest guys.
I mean, Lebron has been the best player by far.
KD came back for one game he looked like the
best player, played basically a perfect game of basketball, and
Steph has been as consistent. The only other guy who's
even in the conversation is Anthony Davis. And so under
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this format with rest between games with these guys, I
know KD obviously coming off, you know, a injury scare,
but otherwise the guy's healthy. I really think that you
can make the case that those are the best American
born players still.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
So that jumped out to me.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
And it's remarkable that Steph, Lebron, and KD are all
older than Larry Bird was in the ninety two Olympics.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
When in the ninety two Olympics it was like, oh,
that's old broken Bird. Well, Lebron Bird was thirty five.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Lebron turns forty in a few months, Katie and Stepford
thirty five and thirty six, So that is in and
of itself remarkable to me. The other thing that obviously
has jumped out is it wasn't a mistake to not
play Jason Tatum, and I think people are looking at
it a little wrong, which is Tatum is not competing
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with Drew Holliday or Derek White for minutes because those
guys have specific roles as defensive guards. He's obviously not
competing with bam Ad or Embiid for minutes because those
are the bigs, and Embiid's obviously been disappointing. He is
competing with the Wings for minutes, which means he's competing
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with Lebron James, who is better than him, Kevin Durant,
who in one game certainly looks better than him, and
then the question mark Devin Booker. But with this short
and three point line, those long twos Booker loves so
much are actually threes. And he's been excellent, And so
I don't blame Steve Kerr for not playing Jason Tatum.
(07:31):
It is just an odd few months for Jason Tatum
where he finally it shouldn't say finally, he wins a championship,
and somehow winning the championship and then being on the Olympics,
he might have a ring and a gold medal, and
when people are doing their one through ten NBA player
rankings they move Tatum down over the last couple months.
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That's incredibly odd, but obviously it jumps out.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I want to shift to the NFL. And I had
said this earlier. The gap between the all timers and
even very good players, and Tatum is a great example
very good player. The gap between an all NBA guy
and a legend Lebron's Michael Kobe Shagan is gigantic. Here's
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the gap between Mahomes and everybody else. The top one
hundred players voted on by the players has come out.
The Chiefs don't have a single player in the first ninety.
They are absurdly top heavy Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey, Mahomes.
The Jets have six, the Dolphins have seven, the crappy
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Giants have two, Denver's got two. The Chiefs have none.
And it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
He's behiners, Yeah, you're the Chiefs. By the Niners, who
the Chiefs has beaten the Super Bowl have seven in
the top thirty. They have seven in the top thirty.
The Chiefs, you know, have now to be fair, you know,
I think Creed Humphrey should.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Have on there.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I think he's the best center in football now that
Kelsey retired. I think Trent McDuffie should have been on there.
He was an All Pro corner, but he wasn't Lugerius Sneid,
who's no longer on the team, was an All Pro
caliber guy. He also was not on the top one hundred.
So it's not even like, oh, but they had a
guy who then left the team.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yet what they have is I think I.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Think the Chiefs have a lot of good young players
and then the greatest player in the history of the league,
not the most accomplished, not the goat, I understand that,
but the most talented, uplifting, make everyone their best self player,
and obviously a great scheme to go along with it.
And then you had Travis Kelce, who is the greatest
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postseason receiver ever, like that's receiver or tight end. The
most prolific postseason bass catcher ever is Travis Kelce. And
Chris Jones, who is now the Aaron Donald's retired the
best d tackle in football.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
All of that comes together, you don't have to have
an all star team. Now.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The Niners, on the other hand, do have an all
Star team, and they have according to you know, this list,
one of the ten best quarterbacks in football. Quarterback ranked
number twenty eight on the list. I think that's absurd
on its face. I don't think there's anyone that actually
thinks Brock Purty is better than Matt Stafford, but he
ends up higher on the list than him. And so yeah,
(10:27):
I mean, it was a little surprising to me that
Creed Humphrey didn't make the list, but other than that,
you kind of knew it would be Mahomes, Kelsey and
Chris Jones, and then a bunch of guys that folks
you know, tend not to they either overlook or tend
not to believe in until they're holding the trophy at
the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So this is a little thing. I can just see it.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You're gonna get me crap for this, but you shouldn't
because you're a great poker player and polker is about
detail and precision and bluffing, so's you're probably you probably
lied to me half the time. You're probably a great bluffer.
So I said this years ago, and we have the
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video of it. There was a moment with Dak Prescott
and I got crap for this, But he threw a
cup over his shoulder and it missed the garbage can
and he went and picked it up and put it
in because somebody else was going to have to do
that if he didn't. And I thought he was a rookie,
and I thought, oh, this is a moment. He gets it.
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He's not a narcissist, he's not selfish, and he also
knows just be respectful for the environment. So Caleb Williams
talked to his teammates the other day. There's a story out.
He said, guys, the locker room's a mess. Clean it up.
Got janitors here doing all of our work. We're grown men.
Clean this crap up. It's embarrassing. And one of his
teammates came out, a veteran and said, man, he gets
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it like it's about the details. And I know this
has a hat on backwards feel to it. Well, I'm
honestly ahead. I looked at that with Caleb Williams and
I went, it's gonna work that. It's gonna work on that.
And look at your laughing at me. You're already laughing
at it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
No, I'm not laughing into you. This is this is
what I tell my youngest daughter. Sometimes I'm not laughing
at you. I'm smiling out loud. This is just I'm
so happy with this. You can hear it like no,
because here is the thing it is. This is one
of those things you say, like the hat on backwards thing,
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that if the quote is pulled, you will have.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
People attack you.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And yes, in a way it is absurd, but also
in a way, much like the hat on backwards thing,
it is the exact mind frame that all of us
use to evaluate people or personalities or actions.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
It's this to me.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I'm gonna use not the apples tapples and analogy, but
I'll land the plane, I promise. I think that there
is nothing more disqualifying about a human being that you could,
you know, just casually observe than if they treat people
in the service industry terribly agree. I'm like, oh, you
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just don't have you. There are things about you that
I know I won't like that. I don't I know
just from observing that one thing, that you and I
are going to be fundamentally opposed on a lot of things.
So I think that is the same logic of that.
And I remember the Dak thing from eight years ago,
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which was, oh, it's not everything, and if he hadn't
gone and picked it up, it would be. It wouldn't
necessarily be a big deal, but it does give you
a small window into who that person is. And Caleb Williams,
who I do think one of the unfair knocks on
him was going to be entitled spoiled diva. The fact
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that he is saying, hey, guys, let's not leave all
of this to the janitorial staff or the trainer not trainers,
but the equipment managers. I do think that is a
bit of a window. So I don't think that that
is nothing. I don't think it's ridiculous. Now there's a
little confirmation bias for me, I'm sure, because I think
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the Bears are gonna be excellent, and I think Caleb
is going.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
To be great.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But whenever, if people are watching this and saying that's ridiculous,
I think a good test is always well, what if
the exact opposite.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Story came out? How would you think about it?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
What if the story that came out is Bear's locker
room pretty pristine except for Caleb Williams stall, which is
a pig style. Everybody's picking up after themselves except for him.
He's got old gatorade bottles and dirty towels and all
of it. That would if that would be at least
a little concern for the franchise quarterback, then the opposite
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has to be at least a little reassuring for the
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Finally, well maybe not finally. I said yesterday in the
day before, and I got a lot of crap for it.
I said, listen, if you pay your quarterback fifty five million,
I don't want an asterisk. There's no asterisks. With Tua,
it's the only quarterback where as long as he doesn't
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have to play in cold weather, I love him. Well,
I can't pay a fifty five million I saw the
Kansas City game and that's with Tyreek Hill, the best
deep threat in the league. So Jordan Love may be
young and raw, but there's no qualifying. He's got a whip,
he can move, he's smart, good at the podium, coachable.
Tua's got an asterisk and not even the injuries. The
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last five AFC Championship games are played in thirty three
degree weather with Wind. I don't like the contract. It's
double what I would have paid him.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, you tell me so, I don't listen. The love thing.
Let me start on love just quickly.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Love is just very unique because we've never had a
player get to the end of their rookie deal and
seem to warrant this type of extension with this small
of a playing sample. Yeah, and so the love but
what we've seen is excellent. But there is a concern
in the back of your head of man, what if
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he just caught fire for two months? We don't have
enough to you know, base it off of. But you
had no choice Tua. I feel like everyone knows what
he is, and some people are just I guess they
feel like it's mean to admit it, which is he
is a physically limited, undersized quarterback who has an ideal
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roster of weapons, an excellent offensive minded head coach, and
despite that, plays his worst football of the year against
his best bet opponents. Last year, the reason they had
to go to Kansas City in round one was because
Baltimore and Buffalo beat them in week.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Seventeen and eighteen.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And he also, obviously, to your point, doesn't play well
in the cold. So to me, the Tua contract is
bad on multiple levels. The first one is this, even
if you think he's good Colin, does anyone think during
this contract he is going to be better than mahomes
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Lamar Josh CJ. Stroud And I think I'm leaving one
out that everybody loves. But that's for oh Joe Burrow,
Thank you the Joe Burrow. That's five in his conference.
That's not even to mention your guy, Justin Herber, my
guy Trevor Lawrence. Throw all those guys out, even his
biggest supporters. I don't think believe he's going to be
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top five in his conference. If you're not top five
in your conference, then you're probably not going to be
able to.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Earn this contract.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
And the other piece of it that I think is
just to me obvious, but a lot of people struggle with,
is you don't have an obligation to pay a guy
at this position based on what he's done. You have
an obligation to your team to pay a guy based
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on what you think he will do. And by paying him,
you know he's not going to have this type of
roster or supporting cast around him long term, and so
I would not have done it. I also on the
cold weather part of it, Colin, it is interesting. Not
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being able to play well in cold weather is a
way bigger AFC problem than NFC problem because in the AFC,
the best teams the Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens the
last few years, Cincinnati the year before, the Jets, if
Jamax right and they get it together. The only team
that's been consistently in the mix is Miami that is
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not outdoor cold weather. Houston obviously will see if they
get there.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
They have a dome.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
The NFC, on the other hand, it's Green Bay and
Philly are.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Outdoor cold weather. Dallas is a dome.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
San Francisco's decent weather, Detroit's well, the whole NFC North
essential or not the NFC South, I should say, plus
Detroit's a dome, Minnesota's a dome, the Los Angeles rams.
You might be able to play in the NFC and
get through a playoff run without having to go outside.
You're not going to be able to do that in
the AFC unless Miami gets the one seed, and I
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don't think Tua has proven that he's good enough start.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
To finish in the season to get a one seed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'm going to circle back to something. This will be
my finally as I watch one of the things that
struck me before what struck you was, Oh wait, Anthony
Davis and Lebron if you count the exhibition games, maybe
the two best players. It is almost an indictment of
the Lakers that the two best players in the world.
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AD has just been dominant and Lebron's best player. Am
I take his? And they're not winning a playoff game?
Like what I was my take it, it's like, if
I'm Laker fantom, if we just get a three, if
we just get a third, what do you what do
you make of my percent?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
So it's totally maddening. I totally.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It's an indictment on coaching, it's an indictment on roster construction.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
And the Lakers, much like the.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Dallas Cowboys, this offseason has decided, you know what, we
weren't close to good enough last year, so let's make
no changes. And there has been a rush in the
media over the last few years to prematurely downgrade Lebron's
stature in the league as far as his player ranking,
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because it's like, oh, he's in year nineteen, always in
year twenty, he's in year twenty one, he's almost forty
years old. When Lebron is producing, not at the level
he was a decade ago, where he was hands down
the best player in the world. But where again, the
point I was making at the beginning, take out Luka,
Jokic and Jannis, those three guys. Is there a player
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alive who is obviously clearly better other than those three
guys than Lebron James is right now? I don't think so.
I think he's the best player on Team USA. If
someone wants to say, well, Shay Gilges Alexander Fine, I
disagree but fine, that would put.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Lebron at five.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Anthony Davis has been healthy the last year and a half,
he's been available, and the Lakers still can't get anything done.
And so yeah, that is an indictment on Polenka. It's
an indictment on Darvin ham also, and I know they
want a title with him, but these Olympics have not
been great for Frank Vogel's stature either. It's like, well,
I had Lebron and Ad, then I had Kevin Duranton,
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Devin Booker. I could do nothing the last few years
with either one of them. They all seem to be
pretty good at this stage.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
So yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
An incredibly frustrating thing. And one last point on this colin,
because Lebron is locked in and emotionally super invested, I
wonder if it is bouncing around in the back of
Lebron's head, man, these might be the last really meaningful
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basketball games of my life. Yes, yes, if he stays
with the Lakers, yes, And they're clearly not making any
more moves, as his plan is only to play one
or two more years. He might while I'm sure he believes,
well maybe we can go further. I'm sure he is
recognizing it's on the board that the highest stake games
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I play in the rest of my basketball life are
these next few weeks in Paris.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, it reminds me of Brady's last couple of years.
They won the Super Bowl. Then they had to move
on off people and they didn't have quite the roster,
and it did feel like in the biggest moments, you know,
Tom still had it. Tom wanted you to know, Oh,
I could keep playing. I'm still I don't have I
don't have the roster, I don't have the old line.
(23:15):
But I'm the same way. I do think Tom at
the end the games for Tom and Lebron most of
their career, they've prepared diligently for every game. But I
do think at the very end, Uh, Tom and Lebron
are like, no, these games actually mean more this. Yeah,
I want to go.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
On that note. Yeah, on that note.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Started interrupt But I know we have to go just real,
just the next time, because I know you and Tom
at this point are you know, personal deep personal friends? Yeah,
close friends. You know he hangs out on the couch.
You guys chat the next time, you guys.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Have one of your powwows.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I know it's going to be about you know, Cowboys, Browns,
and is broadcasting on Fox in the NFL. Carve out
two minutes to get his take on that exact thing,
about his take on the Lebron at this stage in
his career, because I don't know that I've ever heard
Brady talk long form about Lebron, but they're those two guys,
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and like, maybe Leonel Messi are the only people in
the world who really know what the other person's going through.
I'd be super interested in that. So when you're talking
with your buddy Tommy, who I know you call him
off the air, like if you could ask him about that,
that'd be helpful for all.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Have as many hats. And Nick is now a producer
for The Herd, which.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Is yeah, anything.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The more you can do, that's what they always say, Colin,
the more you can.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Do the great Swiss army knife of my generation. They're great.
Good see anybody see all right, but that is true Messi, Brady,
Aaron Donald, that's pretty good class right there. As a
soccer guy.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, a little pushback against these are Lebron's final, hugely
important games.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You think they're getting through con Seriously, the denver O
case see.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Barely five hundred at like the All Star and went
to the finals. Let's not overreact.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but they also have one of the top three
players in the world in his prime.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
What Lebron and ad are one of the best due
or not.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Lebron's not in his prime.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I don't know his Olympic performance said, those.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Are again one game a week, two games a week
with the best players. The NBA is a schlog. It's
it's once you get out of your prime. It's eighty
two games Olympics. All my teammates are great, and I
played twice a week against significantly inferior competition South and.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Dan's only a twenty eight point underdog today.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
If you look for me, that's a whole different ball difference.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Finals two years ago. I don't think it's over for
the Lakers. I know you guys want to shovel dirt
on the grave of the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's fine, go for it. Not for me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I am not beloved in that building.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
But you have you wanted to trade Anthony Davis like
two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Now you're like, well he's two years ago. Okay, okay, okay,
I'm willing to pivot. Yes, move off stuff. There's a
new guy, new body, new durability. I like him now,
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Speaker 1 (26:30):
By the way, I gave one of the people around
the set some of my new amazing gum I found.
And the energy in this building today palpable. Anyway, all
I'm doing trying to elevate America. Jmack with a news No,
no on the news.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
All right, your buddy Sean Payton has a heated quarterback
competition in Denver.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So they move off Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yeah, they draft bon Nicks, They signed Zach Wilson, and
they have the incumbent backup Jared Stidham.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Zach Wilson was figured to be in the mix.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I mean he was running with the ones. All of
a sudden he was skipped in the rotation for first
team reps yesterday, Sean.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
They chimed in, Look we've got it, we've got a plan.
Yesterday Bob ran with the ones, Zach with the twos.
Today Steady was with the ones. So no news to
announce there you talk. I know you're looking for, but.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Surean just a clear fall, would Zach get time for
the ones?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Looks like Bonick is taking over the rains. What about Stidham,
He'll be.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Uh back up, that's what you're supposed say.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
What about it? Well, sixty quarterbacks played. I have no
problem with you carrying three quarterbacks. I got Stittam's you
know he's a two or a three, But I got
no problem with you. You know you're gonna use a
backup at some point. Most teams in this league. Does
look like Bonix has separated.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
The calendar doesn't even say August.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you right now. I think
I'll of all the teams in the league, the idea
that Denver has the worst roster in the league. So,
first of all, they arguably have the best corner and
a top five safety. They have two backs P Ryan
I think it's Williams the other one.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Jevonte Williams coming off some injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And P Rhynd capable tight ends. They have Mims, Courtland
Sutton and the rookie Franklin who Bonick's played with. They
have an elite guard at, an excellent left tackle and
a brilliant offensive play designer and collar. This idea that
Denver has no talent is nonsense. They have seven or
eight elite players, really high end guy.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
How many guys in the top one hundred though two
so far?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Patrick Artana bo Nix will be there by next ue.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Oh stop it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Goodness, gracious, I know you love that guy, but goodness,
that's over the top. All right, let's go to ooh Miami.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Things got heated at Dolphins camp yesterday and it wasn't
just the temperatures in Miami. There was a big scrum
at a battle and Tyreek Hill saw it as a positive, saying,
I think the fight.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Today was amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We need that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
This is where you fight.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
And then after practice, Jalen Ramsey had a big speech
about how the team needs to be the bully this
season Miamy talking tough Colin huh ah, scrappy.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't think fights at practice there. I mean, I'm
not rooting for them, but i'll I'll make an argument
that the NFL should reduce their preseason to two games
and elevate their inner squad scrimmages significantly. There's no reason
for four games. They reduced it to three. I would
reduce it to two. Listen, this has been my argument forever.
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College football has no preseason games, and you're only allowed
seventeen hours of practice a week, and they figure it
out and in Week one they can play. These are
kids with classes, girlfriends on campus, young immature players don't
have any preseason and LSU and USC seasons will be
decided to some degree, at least the perception how good
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they are on Week one. You could do no preseason.
To me, I don't think that'll ever happen, but I
would reduce the preseason and have more of these inner
squad practices. And when you do these inner squad practices
and you have like two to three, so you invite
the Raiders in town for two days or the Dolphins,
that's when the fights break out. When you're playing you know,
you're playing guys practicing two and three times against the
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same guys. If the Giants do team practices with the Ravens,
by the third practice, there's fights.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I mean, you don't want to practice the Giants, They're garbage.
You're not getting You might as well do an inner
squad scrimmage. No, that's more competitive than the Giants. But
let me, let's just recap the Dolphins offseason. Okay, yeah,
Tyreek Hill says, I need to get paid more once
Jefferson gets paid, Okay, okay, then next up, Tua is
I need to get paid. That gets paid, show me
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the money. And now Jalen Ramsey talking about being a bully.
A lot of talk, a lot of talk, a lot
of noise out of these Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, I don't have them as a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Well I'm just gonna I'm looking at their depth chart here.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So basically their best two defensive linemen Wilkins Chubb. They're
coming off injuries a cllen Achilles. They're not even gonna
start the season. Wilkins is gone. So now you're potentially
starting two rookies on the edge. Chop Robinson out of
Penn State and another guy that h Colin. This defense
is a joke, like it is terrible.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Top Robinson is gonna play.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
He's got some chops.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right, he's good.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
But the offensive line is spotty at best. I don't
want to say the windows already closed because they were
good last year. Remember they were leading the division.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
A fell apart physically.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
They often fall apart late.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
His temperatures get cold. We've been over this.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
It's not rocket science. I don't know about this Dolphins
seam this year. I can see things unraveling. Tyreek Hill unhappy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Jill Ramsey. Well, we also know and this is we
know they're not Buffalo, so let's just eliminate that. Also,
Cincinnati gets Burrow, Herbert gets Harbaugh, Trevor Lawrence gets his
best roster, and Anthony Richardson's back. Those wild card spots
are going to be much more competitive this year. Last
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year it was Aaron Rodgers got hurt, Burrow gets hurt,
Herbert gets hurt. Last year, you could may have been
the last easy year for five years to get into
the AFC playoffs. You could kind of slide your way
into it. The guys that had bad coaches, now have
good coaches. Trevor Lawrence has his best roster C J. Stroud.
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Year two, there's no.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Other than Rogers.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You can still sneak into the NFC playoffs as a
wild card. Maybe you know you're not a great team.
Last year Green Bay was a bunch of kids and
they got into the playoffs. They probably don't in the AFC.
But the AFC last year, because of the quarterback injuries,
is the last team mimian and not gonna be. The
AFC is loaded and the teams getting in are gonna
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be really good as long as the quarterbacks mostly stay healthy.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
All right, final story, Let's go to the Olympics where
Team USA has their second group play match here in
about what ninety minutes against South Sudan. Yeah, obviously they
only narrowly beat South Sudan in the exhibition game. But
let's talk about Joe Olympi because he has not had
a great Olympics.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He only played eleven.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Minutes in the opener against Serbia.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
He seemed to kind of pout during the media exhibit
media time there this week and said, this is a
great setting for me because I'm playing with a lot
of great players in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm used to being the guy. Now you got to
give it up.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I'm loving it.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Adding I really want to make sure I empower my teammates,
so this is a great experience for me.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He's being booed.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Every time he touches the ball because he could have played.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
For He's also been lousy for the offense he's gotten
in the West.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
He's a ball stopper with the Sixers.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
He gets the ball at the elbow, same thing, and
it's like, Okay, what am I going to do here?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Past He's like taking this time like that doesn't fly
with this team.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
If somebody has convinced him that he's just a brilliant
perimeter player and a d was forced to go outside.
The Lakers wanted him to become more perimeter. He didn't
like it. He went back in and dominated. So some
ad was shooting too many jumpers, moved in and back
to dominate. To me, Embiid's got to be eight to
twelve feet from the basket. He's too often on the perimeter.
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Get him out of there.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, I'll just say this. I don't think he's not
going to play like at all in the second half today.
But South Sudan has a lot of wings and guards
and switches in threes that ain't em beat Embiid is
a center. He is a seven footer. He's not gonna
move great on the perimeter. I don't think this is
a great matchup. I don't expect a lot of playing
time from him today.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Don't freak out if he has a terrible game. He's
just not having a great Olympic.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Well, they also have a D and bam, so they've
got Biggs. Yes, side, it's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
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Speaker 9 (35:23):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I
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(35:45):
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get your podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
So the NFL players, they do this annually vote on
the one hundred top players in the league. So you know,
quarterback is what we all stare at. So now they're
down to the first ninety players. Now Mahomes and Lamar
are not in it yet, so I can assure you
that Mahomes will be number one or two. I would
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imagine number one. Lamar will be somewhere in the top ten.
So that will mean they have twelve quarterbacks so far.
For our radio audience, I'll read this, they have Josh
Allen as the third best quarterback in the league, so
Lamar Lamar is going to be somewhere two to eleven.
Mahomes will be number one. So quarterbacks in the NFL
that are rated in this top one hundred. Obviously it's
(36:34):
all positions. So there's Josh Allen at twelve, Jalen Hurts fifteen,
Dak At sixteen, c J. Stroud twenty, Brock Purty to
twenty eighth. Best player voted on by players, Jordan Love
thirty four to two at thirty six, Joe Burrow thirty nine,
Matt Stafford criminally underrated at forty two, Jared Goff ditto
(36:55):
at forty eight, Justin Herbert likewise at seventy five, Kirk Cousins,
Aaron Rodgers ninety two, Trevor Lawrence at ninety four. So
what does that tell you? It tells you so far.
Let's see one, two, So far there are is that
fourteen I'm counting, and they've and they've got two more coming.
(37:17):
So sixteen of the one hundred best players will be quarterbacks,
sixteen of the one and half the league. So half
the league is working the phones and trying to find
the guy. The other half has their guy. Is basically
the easiest way to say it. Half the league they
got their dude. Half the league wants their dude. And
(37:41):
I don't really have a problem with the first three mahomes.
Alan Lamar put him in any order you want, I'm
good with it. What do you make of Well, let
me just ask you anything that jumps out to.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
You, Jalen. Let's remind the audience that this voting took
place like last November, and if you've I think around
that time, there's a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Why aren't like Jordan's love hadn't didn't carve up the
Cowboys yet.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
I Love hadn't really done much. And by the way,
the Chiefs at that time were not a juggernaut by
any stretch. The forty nine ers were, which.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Is why they have a ton of guys on the
on the list here, I just noticed Kyler Murray. You
think he cracks the top ten? Your guy completely left off.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
The top Hine.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, well, let me just say this, he was injured
last year. Well, and the players a lot of times
are good at playing. To have you would admit Stafford
at forty two below TUA even you would acknowledge below
brought pretty Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
You have to remember last year TUA was on fire.
They dropped like seventy points on the on the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
They were offensive like.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
One of the all time great offenses.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Last Stafford last year was on fire in November two good.
He had a very good season last year.
Speaker 7 (38:58):
I think the bigger star was Pooka and it was like, oh,
it's better than Cooper Cup and.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
It was less about Stafford. Yeah, listen, I can't get
too worked up about these lists.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
No, I'm just throwing it by the way angry. No,
I'm not angry right now, you've got fourteen, you've got
two more. What it's telling you is the players view
Aaron Rodgers as the fifteenth best quarterback in the league.
He played four snapss well. But again, remember players, people
have memories. It's not like you know. I this is
(39:30):
actually in fairness, I think Aaron's closer to fifteenth than
one at this point in his career. I do not
think if you go to his last year at Green
Bay with a good old line, with a good coach,
with good weapons, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
What's he gonna do this year thirty five hundred yards,
twenty five touchdowns like average numbers.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I think he will look like somewhere between the tenth
and fifteenth best quarterback. That's where I think he is
at this point. Yeah, and I think the rest of
the world except the players, have Aaron in the top six.
I do not. I don't think that's why. I think,
forty years old off surgery, so so committed off season,
I don't put him there crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
They're probably gonna be a We're gonna run the ball
a lot and win with defense. That's my guest.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
This is not gonna be Aaron Rodgers airing it out
thirty five times a game.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I just I don't see that in the cards.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Stroud, Sure maybe, but I mean I think both of
us think this morning. Jordan lover Aaron Rodgers. I think
Jordan's better.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Wait for this season, Yes, no question.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
He's younger, he's got a better arm, he moves better,
don't have the injuries, he's more committed.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
All right, I'll give it to you. I'll give it
to you, not by a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'm not saying the gaps, the Grand Canyon. I'm saying,
Look when I watched Jordan love play, his movement, his
his arm, Dude, can he can spin it? Yeah? I
wish speak of told I mean here, but by the way,
our staff excellent work here last ten starts, including the
playoffs between the two of that. And by the way,
those numbers aren't particularly close. Nine of those ten games
(41:00):
or Packer games. So give me a break on Aaron
doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
What if we extend it from ten to I don't know,
seventeen Like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Aaron, Aaron, Jordan doesn't even barely a seventeen starts interesting.
Don't forget Aaron's first year as a starter six and ten.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
What what you sandbag and side?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't think I again, this is not a criticism
forty years old off of surgery with a rebuilt old line. Yeah,
but I'm just saying, is I think again? Aaron's a
first bout Hall of Famer. I think he's closer to
the fifteenth best quarterback than the first.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
How's this? Aaron Rodgers has stuff to prove this year.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yes, I don't think Jordan Love does right. He is
both do well.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
Rogers definitely does coming off the injury our three in
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