August 1, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris Broussard joins The Herd to about USA men’s basketball and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The host. First things first, I was just talking to
Chris Brusard off the air about Team USA and he
started talking. I said, stop, stop, stop, save this for
the air. So you're telling me you are torn. You're
torn with TEAMUSA. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, and it's not about any individual player. We'll get
into Tatum and mbeat, I guess. But I'm torn for
this reason. I want us to win. Of course, win
the gold medal, but when we blow everybody out, I'm
not that interested. Like I want close games, I want
some NaIO biers, I want some drama, or I'm not
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really interested when we're winning by twenty six and forty.
We haven't won by forty yet, but you know, I
just am not interested. So that's why I'm torn. I
look forward to every game. I'm excited. Oh they gotta
face Jogics.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
South Sudan played them tough in the exhibition and then
they blow him out, and it's like, I'm not really
interested come second half. So that's why I'm torn. I
want close games, but I want us to win.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
If you know, the Tatum thing is funny. So if
this is about me, I'm not trying to be a
psychologist here, but I do believe Brad Stevens, the GM
of the Celtics, has told us what he thinks of
Tatum as a general manager. And I'll i'll and I'll
lay this out for you, Chris. It was it's okay
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in the eyes of Brad Stevens if Jalen Brown over
some late game situations because Jalen's great. It was when
Marcus Smart took the ball out of his hands too
late that Brad went time out. Okay, we got to
get Marcus out of here. That and I think Brad
realized when you put him in big situations, either with
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or against other alphas, at times he shrinks. And when
I watch him in this group, there are times he's
on the floor. I can't notice him there. I mean, again,
he's b plus at everything, ball handling, defense A minus
to B plus and everything. But I do think Brad
Stevens is acknowledging and telling us what he thinks of him.
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He really likes him, he may not always love him
in big spots, and that he's collaborative more than a
killer or the more than I'm gonna grab you by
the throat. Dalen Brown's less talented. He is that. And
I think I watched Tatum and this is confirming what
I've believed about him for about four years. What say
you on Tatum?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I feel like Tatum for I don't know why necessarily,
but this dude, I think he's judged unfairly. I think
he is over scrutinized. Now. I got while Lebron was
over scrutinized because he's one of the best players we've
ever seen, if not the best.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But Tatum is not in that class.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And yet I feel like everybody holds him to that standard.
I mean, yes, he, like most even great players, he
has had his bad moments in the playoffs or even
in the finals, so and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson
and I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But he's also had huge playoff games.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You remember a few years ago, they go to Milwaukee
down three to two and he puts up forty some
odd points against Philadelphia. What he got fifty points or
something in a critical playoff game a couple of years ago,
and then even in the closeout game this year.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The first three games, which obviously set the tone for
the series, Jalen Brown played better, but in the close
out game they failed to close him out. In Game four,
Jalen Brown was like six with twenty two something like that,
and Jason Tatum was the great, had the great game,
and Tatum obviously led them his points, rebounds and assists
throughout the finals.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So I just think that he is overly scrutinized.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'm not holding anything in Team USA against him, remember,
because people that might say he shrinks, you know, he's
with other alphas and he can't play with Team USA.
Remember in twenty twenty, he was the second leading scorer.
It was Kevin Durant averaging twenty points I believe, and
Tatum averaged fifteen. They had Damian Lillard on that team,
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Devin Booker bam out of BAYU, and Tatum was the
second guy. In the gold medal game, he drops nineteen
points second to Durant against France, and that was a
close game. And so I just think for whatever, people
are looking for the negatives with Tatum, and in a sense,
it's good for him if he can look at it
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the right way, because it's motivation. You are fortunate when
you have just won a championship and yet you still
have a chip on your shoulder, you still are motivated
to win more. That's a blessing because you avoid complacency.
So at the end of the day, I think Tatum
this will fuel him to be even better next year.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, Joe lmb so, he's not the defender of ad
he's not the shooter and passer of Jokic. He's not
as athletic as Yiannis. He's not as dominant, though he
has some Shack similarities. He doesn't win the Eastern Conference.
Since Lebron left, it has been wide open, wide open.
He can't win a second round playoff series. They fired coaches,
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They've gotten rid of teammates. Is this an awakening? Is
this a He's a thirty year old with a lot
of injuries. That doesn't elevate teammates. It's happened before, where
we keep being told somebody, Carmelo Anthony, is this this,
And then by the time they're thirty thirty one, we're like, no,
they're kind of this this this. It kind of feels
like that with him, b does it not?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, And everybody, understandably so, is focused on Tatum in
these Olympics. MB's the guy that's really taking the big
l In my view, he looks bad. He looks like
he's in the way, he looks like he's out of place.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
He looks like he doesn't know what to do or.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Is ineffective if the offense isn't built around him, and
it in, Colin, people have jumped on me because I'm
so adamant about him at time, like a reasonable amount
of the time, go down low, big guy. But now
you're seeing how bad it is because you are surrounded
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by four outstanding perimeter players at all times, and here's
the seven foot three hundred pounder who wants to be
out on the perimeter two and he's just getting in
every way. And so when they take him out, all
of a sudden, everything's flowing much better with Bam or
with ad and so Joel Embiid.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Right now, Colin, you said it. It's an awakening, was
the term you use.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'll say this, he is beginning what will be the toughest,
most scrutinized stretch of his NBA career. Because there are
no more excuses for a guy that's won an MVP
and never, to your point, won a second round playoff series.
He has really gotten been free of a lot of
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the criticism, all right, I think because he's always injured,
or even if he's playing in the playoffs, we know
how banged up he is. Or you had James harden
New we know will disappear in big games at times.
Or you blame Ben Simmons right because he wouldn't shoot
the layup, or you blame Doc Rivers because of his
playoffs struggles.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Enough, I'm looking at Joel Embiid.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Now, you got Paul George coming in, You got Tyres,
Maxius Sinding.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Nick Nurse is a championship coach.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
If you don't get it done, I'm pointing the fingers
at you, big fella.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You're seventy percent of yourself in the playoffs. At some
point you have to show up and get it done,
and so yeah, right now, starting now, I think people
are looking at it like, oh my, and now he's
gonna get scrutinized until he can deliver a championship.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And that's what happens to the great ones.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, are you finally? It's really interesting. I mean
there's been players like bam Adebayouho's been excellent, Kevin Durant
when he's healthy can be excellent. We all know that stuff.
They're very good players. But when I watch this, these
are our best players, and I think to myself, is
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Lebron James the best domestic player in the NBA? Still,
I'm not Sandy's Jokis, I'm not Sandy's athletic as he' honest,
he may not be as good as Wemby by the
trade deadline, But it's Lebron j this morning, the best
American basketball player right now at thirty nine, in his
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twenty second year. Because that's what my eyes tell me.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, I do agree.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He's the best player on Team USA, like in these Olympics.
On this team, you see, he's the alpha. Everybody's deferring
to him. He's making everything happen, even defensively. A lot
so he's the best player right now on this team.
But here's why, Colin, and here's why I would say,
come next season in the NBA, he won't be the
best American player, and he wasn't the best American player
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last year because this is what six games and if
you include the exhibition's ten games.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
So for a six to ten.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Game stretch, no back to backs, Yeah, plenty of rest.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I only have to play twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When I got such great I got great teammates with
me right when I'm on the floor, and when I
go to the bitch, I got.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Great players on the floor. We don't lose the leagu
So this is perfect for Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
When Lebron retires, when Kobe retired, when Jordan retired, it
wasn't that they couldn't go out on any given night
and kind of rekindle the.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Magic, or even for any stretch of games.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You just can't do it over the course of five months,
six months, eighty two games plus playoffs, you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So this is perfect.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And yeah, in this little stretch, Lebron can be the
best player, But eighty games and then the playoffs, he
won't because look at his defense, lookout, energize he is defensively.
He can't do that over eighty games, but he can
do it over six at thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So I think that's the explanation, because I do think a.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Lot of people are baffled, like, oh my gosh, is
Lebron still the best player in the world. But I
think this is a clear explanation that, yeah, this small
measure of games, he can go get it done.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
But eighty games, one hundred games with the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
No, Chris Bruce. And by the way, Chris just finished
this week. He fit and his family, his wife finished
Sopranos and he was puzzled by the ending. And so
if you want to go on the social team for
first things first, very funny, you know what you know,
I respect it because Chris Brussard doesn't rush to the theater.
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He doesn't rush to the TV, by the way. That's
by the way, he doesn't when there's a new iPhone,
he doesn't rush. He takes his time. In fact, Chris
is announcing later that he's going to break down Game
of Thrones in two years. That's what I respect.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Probably five years, five years.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I just finished the wire before the Sopranos.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I haven't finished THATXT.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Good seeing you brew all right, Yeah, I'm told the
Wires Breaking Bad, I haven't. I haven't gone.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
I saw like three episodes of Breaking Bad.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
I haven't seen all the Sopranos, but I did watch
the final episode.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, Sopranos, I did. I didn't watch any Game of Thrones.
I'm just not. I would say this. My personality isn't
I've gotta have stuff first. It's just that's just not
my personality. I want now now, Kate Oppenheimer got me
to a theater. If there's a great movie. There's about
one movie a year that gets me to the theater,
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or there's one great series that comes out on Netflix,
or there's big sporting events. But I tend to be like,
I'll get to it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
By the way, did you watch Presumed Innocent?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yet?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I gotta watch it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I saw the movie. The movie was sensational, So I
don't need to see a series.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
If you've seen one Mission Impossible, you've seen them all.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But that that's there was nothing before Mission Impossible. That's
an original, but.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
There was one, two, there's like, now nine of them?
Isn't nine the same as five and three.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Each time Tom Cruise is fighting in real life to survive.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Jig Gillenhall's fighting to survive. But I've already seen the movie.
If I read the book, I don't necessarily need to
see the movie of the book. Now Silence of the Lambs,
I thought the movie was as good as the book.
I thought, actually, I loved the firm. I thought the
movie was great again with Tom Cruise.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, you're a fan, just admitute.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, no, I listen, he's a fan's people here saying
Mission Impossible? Was a TV show?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
What is that like the sixties?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
They're right? I forgot that, but I guess they are right.
Nobody on our staff saw that show. They just wanted
to jam.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
That's a great one. I wonder who pulled that out
of their rear.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
No way to go, whoever on the staff out to
get me. No, but I I just I saw Presumed Innocence.
I loved the movie so much. With Harrison Ford, it.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
A thought provoking show. I'll just say, it's not your normal.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I don't want anything to trump the movie I saw.
Maybe I'm fear Full of the I love the That
movie's in my top fifteen all time. I love this. Oh,
I love that movie.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I guess that I don't even know. It's the top
fifteen Arizon Foid movie. Come on, Oh, it was such
a good movie.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Have to scene all time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
My top fifteen is different. You know my number two?
You know my number two all time? Spotlight? Oh that
is that movie?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Is it wants some award?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Won I bought it four times. It's too Oh my gosh,
it's too what real, authentic, It's a true story. Plus
I've got Michael Keaton in everything is amazing. In my
top twenty movies, Keaton's in like four of them. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Sometimes you think you know somebody and now you drop
these Michael Keaton bombs on, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Even that quirky Birdman was sensational. I love Michael Keaton
so much. I think he'd liked me, if we would
be friends, if he would reach out.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You know, if Taylor Swift were my neighbor, I think
we'd be friends.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Probably, I wouldn't bet on that, and you're never gonna
be neighbors.
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Speaker 1 (15:10):
App J mckle.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
The news is the Don Chetell, Michael Keaton, Ed Norton,
Ed Norton's and Man the.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Guys that I oh, oh Keaton, Cheetle, Ed Norton, I'm
forgetting some Oh. You know a guy that I think
is good in everything, Greg Kannear. I once went on
the air and said Greg Kanneer is the most underrated
actor in Hollywood and the general manager of the Milwaukee Brewers,
texting me, he goes. My wife and I were talking
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about it was Melvin, Bob, Melvin, Melvin, the Doug Melvine, Bob, Greg.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
He's done? Is he on talk Soup back in the day?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He was the original? Whoa he's He's married to a
British woman. He kind of hides. You don't see a
lot of them. He's not looking. You don't see him
around Hollywood. Oh the other guy, Christian Bale. Oh yeah,
everything he's in is Batman versus Bain. Everything Christian Bale
is in. He just steals the show.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Can we just turn it into to do a movie?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Finalized?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
None?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm just I have my favorite.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
It's August. You know, we are allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Let's start with the Eagles, who were awesome last season
ten and one, and then they ended one and six,
including a blowout loss to Tampa in a wild card
game that I lost money on.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Devin White was in Tampa last season. Now he's with Philly.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He sees a renewed urgency after last season's collapse.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I think it was at the end when you get
to it. Man injury play a part in the playoffs.
Since the urgency on defense from the Eagles. You know,
the buzz we had, and you know, we was hunger,
We was feisty, and I think that gets you over
the top. They just was kind of lacking it for
whatever reason, Andrey or just didn't have a wheel to
win and want to. But it's a new unit. I
think we covered them in each other right now. It's
just a bunch of home the dollars, you know, trying
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to get out there.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
With you like your Eagles.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Well, I mean Eagles fans think I.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Hate, but uh well it's amazing. I am so pro Philadelphia.
I think the Phillies are the best team in baseball.
I have the Eagles winning their division.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
By the way, Phillies here next week for the Dodgers
big series on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I'll be there. I'm you want to go to a game?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Are you inviting me to one?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
What that's gonna be. First of all, remember how the
Phillies just rolled the Dodgers in Philadelphia. That's gonna be
the best baseball series of the year. Phillies at Dodgers
are fully healthy. But uh well, Dodgers are getting healthier,
getting healthy, and they just trade deadline. They went and
got a couple good players.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
You say, so, Let's move on to the New York Giants,
who are our favorite punching bag this summer. The Giants,
they got a lot of heat from the media, and
Brian Dabole is you know, he's under a little bit
of pressure. Come on, he's this is okay. If you
don't want to believe me, how's this. He's taking on
a larger role on the offensive side of the ball,
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radioing in play calls to quarterbacks and running the offense meetings.
According to wide receiver Darius Layton, Dable is bringing a
different mindset to the team.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Listen, as a coach, you're the walk around guy.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
You know you're supposed to be in now he's like,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, my job's on the line,
Daniel Jones, I'm going to be running the offensive meeting.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, that says a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Collins, Well, he has to win this year. But I
will say I don't think he would do that if
he had a quarterback they had more trust in. I
think Brian saying, listen, this is what we've got. I
got to be in these meetings. Nothing can fall through
the cracks. I think he's you know, that's why you
have to be very careful. You can never look at
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coaches records. I mean, Bill Parr sells records like five hundred.
Why because he took over reclamation projects, whereas like Wade
Phillips took over really good teams. You know what I mean.
And nothing against Wade, but you have to be careful
about looking at records. Brian dables head coaching record doesn't
speak to what he is. And this is a big,
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big lift. Not only did he inherit something, but then
the owner doubled down on a quarterback that wouldn't have
been his.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I just want to remind people all the Giants fans
saying there's no way they'll move on from Dable. The
Eagles had Andy Reid as their head coach, and when
I look.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It out, he had a good run.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
We're done.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
He was their fourteen years.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
So what He's going.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
To Kansas City and is now on track to be
like one of the greatest coaches in all time.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
That was stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now the Eagles have won Super Bowl. There's two things
about the Giants that you just don't mess with. Dable
and the defensive front. They're very good. They drafted the
defensive front well Dayble.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Everything else is what's the number they need to get to,
So the Dayble's not.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Run off with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Seven seven wins will keep the job. They're not a
lock for seven wins. If Washington's as good as you say.
We know the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I'm not saying Washington's great. I think they give him
in the playoffs right now.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh, I want to want. I want to wait for
report Camp report.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You need to see the preseason games, obviously.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay, so let's let's let's you and I right now,
sorry to the radio audience. We're gonna go through the schedule.
Let's find their seven wins that we can agree on.
Can they? I think they. I think at home they
beat the Vikings week one, but they better well okay,
I think Jaden Daniel's second start is a very winnable
game for them.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Oh so you have the Giant starting two and up?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yes? Wow, Okay, now now it gets a little rocky.
They're not winning at Cleveland. They probably don't beat Dallas,
but these are very winnable games.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Not beating Seattle on the road, I'd be very careful about.
Come on, you can't give them every toss up game. Well, no, Cats,
they give the Herol Lina and Tampa at home.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Okay, so that's two more wins. So that's f Are
they beating the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They're beating the Saints at home? That's five?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Are they beating the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They're beating the Colts at home? And Colts what Shane
Steiken and Anthony if he's still playing that stylistic.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Okay, so Colt would be six. Fine.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I do think they have a chance to split with Dallas.
Remember that second game is ceedee lamb available. How's the
offensive line?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Okay, all right, there's your Sif.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I'm not saying they're a nine win team, I'm saying
I can find seven wins in the schedule.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I cannot. Let's move on the final story.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So this is fun.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The preseason's kicking off tonight.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
The NFL has announced they will be testing out Sony's
Hawk Eye technology in some games this preseason, with the
goal of replacing the chain Gang.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The system will most likely not be ready.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
For full implementation until next season, but things move quickly
in this age of technology.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Coward with Hawkeye Tech, the system.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Will track ball placement via multiple cameras throughout the stadium
and notify the referee instantly if a first down was
gained and there's no need for the chain gang.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Are you gonna get wistful for the chain gang trotting
out to the field.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, I don't mind the chain gang if you could
alleviate as much of it as possible. So again, it's
just out there too often. If it's out there seven
times a game, can we get it down to one
or two?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It could be unscientific. In an age of data technology,
we should not have guys running out and slipping like
an index card.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Remember when the referee did that? Did he get the first.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It would be here's where it would be nice. It
would also speed the game up. If you do get
a first down, it's automatically signaled. Now we still don't
know if you don't how much is it. But I
like the idea of if refs immediately get a beep
in the ear first down, that literally saves ninety seconds.
And that happens seven times a game. So there's ten
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minutes off an NFL game. And I'm not trying to
shorten them, but brevity matters in pro sports like college
football games, they've had the change rules to shorten that.
You don't want to get four and a half hour games,
So of six or seven times a game, that's ten
to twelve minutes of let's bring out the group, let's talk.
Let let it just be first down. I think again,
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the NFL in a leadership position, willing to change and adapt.
Baseball trailing Football struggles with change, football leading pulling away
from everything. This is why it's king. They're always willing
to adjust the rules to make it a quicker, more
succinct television show. And in cold weather games, do you
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want to be outside for four hours or three hours?
It does matter. This season ends in January and February.
You don't want fans sitting there like in that Kansas
City game getting frost bite and it's ninety or something
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Speaker 1 (24:38):
We've had so much fun today. I really like what
Chris Brusard broke down. And when you really think about it,
is Lebron the best domestic player in the country, And
it's like, well, no, he has the best stuff if
you play six games like Mariano Rivera in a closing
role is one of the great pictures of all time,
but not a starter. You're not a middleman now as
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a closer face three batters, maybe four. Mariano Riverez the
greatest pitcher of all time, virtually unhittable in that space
outside of that Diamondbacks World Series or the Yankees, but
in a limited role. So it's again, Christian McCaffrey is
a workhorse. You get, you know, twenty seven carries, You
(25:21):
get receptions, but you know, most players, as they age,
you still have greatness. Clayton Kershaw can still throw a
three hitter, but you're not going to get thirty four
starts out of him. So I think what Brussard was
saying is, listen, Lebron in a very no back to
backs six games, need great energy, well rested. He is
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still money, you know, And I have proposed this for years.
If I ran the NBA, I would shorten all the
playoff series to three games in the first round, five
until the finals, then you can go seven. What would
that do? It would allow you to keep the biggest
star and the oldest players around longer. What really hurts
(26:05):
Lebron is seven round, seven game first round series. Even
if you win, it's four games, instead, if you were
on a better team two games half that boom onto
the next round. You want your biggest stars going to
the second round, conference finals finals? Why have this staggering
number of games? Very rarely do you go to a
(26:25):
seven game like Denver Minnesota and you have no idea
who's the better team, Like, I don't know how this
is gonna work out. You generally have a pretty good
I mean, the Celtics played the Mavericks in the finals,
didn't we know by like the second quarter of Game two?
This was a terrible matchup for the Mavericks. I mean,
it wasn't hard to figure out. So it's like last
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year the Lakers were so good, remember early in the
season they won the in season tournament. Because you're just
asking Lebron six games be great. He is in the Olympics,
six games be great. He's better than anybody. I'm not
saying he's the best player in the league. I think
Yo Kitch is a better player Jannis when he's health
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he's a more impactful player. And I think Wemby very
quickly will be a better player. Just does more things
at a higher level, but domestically in a three or
four or five six game stint. Lebron's still the King,
which at thirty nine you're twenty two, is unbelievable. And
I also think it speaks well of him that the
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young players are willing to let him lead. They like him,
they respect him, and that's because Lebron has tried. He's
always made the right basketball play, He's cared about the game.
He's been a great teammate. You know, if people say, well,
he's selfish or politics, if you were worth nine hundred million,
would you ever be selfish or want to say what
you think about politics? Every goober on the internet wants
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to tell you what they feel about politics. If Lebron
has an opinion, he can do that right. So also
we did today this two hours ago, we did our
over and unders, where j McK and I each took
five teams we think are better than they're over and
unders and five teams we don't think will be quite
(28:14):
as good now. The one he doesn't like from me,
we did agree. By the way, we agreed, the Texans
aren't over, the Vikings aren't over, we both agree, and
the Niners aren't under the only and the Raiders we
both think the Raiders are really really bad. So we
had four agreements. Of our twenty picks, we had four agreements.
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The strongest opinion he has he doesn't buy my Denver
Broncos are better than five and a half wins at all.
He points to my very close relationship texting relationship with
Sean Payton. I I guess my strongest feel here is
you're just giving the Jets a lot of love. But
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I do think they're talented.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
God, by the way I'm looking up, I didn't realize
this the Broncos center.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Don't you. By the way, you and I do not
disagree despite our ten picks here, yeah, five or twenty picks.
We don't disagree on any single team. I don't have
an over you have as an under one. So you
and I are aligned about thirty percent of the time.
We're never in total disagreement on any team. What you
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say about the Broncos Broncos center, I just looked it up.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Some guy named Luke Wattenberg, fifth round pick from twenty two,
essentially played one game last year. One game, and he's
gonna be your starting center for a rookie quarterback in
bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
The rest of the offensive line by the way is shaky.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
You do.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You've been a great guard and a great left tackle.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Merrits and Bowls are good.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But the other three guys are Dicey and mclinchy had
a bad year last year. I don't I don't know
how you copple six wins out of the Broncos. But
you seem very passionate about it. Maybe you think it
was your heart and not your head.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Here, Calar, that's not the way I roll.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I've got no heart, okay, ten Man, I don't know
even the Broncos defense like other than certain their other
cornerback mathis grated out as the one hundred and twenty
sixth of one hundred.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And twenty seven quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
He just got lit up all Remember the Jets went
into Denver and throttled them last year.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Like I just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Their defense isn't great, but they did address it. They
went and got it. I think my take is Judy
and Russell Wilson out of the locker room. It feels
now it is Sean Payton's team, and I'm trusting Sean
to get to six to seven to eight wins.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I can rock with that. Rams over eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Huh oh, I feel strongly about that. I see that one.
I was already I've already bought a pair of jet
skis and a sofa.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
With that much audience can sense.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Will you get your cozy relationships with coaches and front offices?
What do you mean cozy? Tight with guys the Rams
and the Broncos?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
And now go look at that. You got the over
on both those.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I have respectful relationships with those.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I keep a distance.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
You're well, you are a respected journalist and a former
blog I'll take it if you want. And for what blogger?
Those rarely go together, respective journalists and blogger. No, I
think I do have a hard time seeing the Steelers
being bad. So many good players. Wait a minute, you
have them. You have the Steeler eight and nine. That's
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not bad, that's average. Not for Mike Tomlin to be
the worst season ever. Pittsburgh's got so many good players. Really,
Oh my god, we should do that tomorrow. What I
think there's an argument Pittsburgh has the third best roster
in the sport.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh, they've got the fourth best roster in the division.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The host. First things first, I was just talking to
Chris Brusard off the air about Team USA and he
started talking. I said, stop, stop, stop, save this for
the air. So you're telling me you are torn. You're
torn with TEAMUSA. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, and it's not about any individual player. We'll get
into Tatum and mbeat, I guess. But I'm torn for
this reason. I want us to win. Of course, win
the gold medal, but when we blow everybody out, I'm
not that interested. Like I want close games, I want
some NaIO biers, I want some drama, or I'm not
(01:07):
really interested when we're winning by twenty six and forty.
We haven't won by forty yet, but you know, I
just am not interested. So that's why I'm torn. I
look forward to every game. I'm excited. Oh they gotta
face Jogics.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
South Sudan played them tough in the exhibition and then
they blow him out, and it's like, I'm not really
interested come second half. So that's why I'm torn. I
want close games, but I want us to win.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
If you know, the Tatum thing is funny. So if
this is about me, I'm not trying to be a
psychologist here, but I do believe Brad Stevens, the GM
of the Celtics, has told us what he thinks of
Tatum as a general manager. And I'll i'll and I'll
lay this out for you, Chris. It was it's okay
(01:57):
in the eyes of Brad Stevens if Jalen Brown over
some late game situations because Jalen's great. It was when
Marcus Smart took the ball out of his hands too
late that Brad went time out. Okay, we got to
get Marcus out of here. That and I think Brad
realized when you put him in big situations, either with
(02:18):
or against other alphas, at times he shrinks. And when
I watch him in this group, there are times he's
on the floor. I can't notice him there. I mean, again,
he's b plus at everything, ball handling, defense A minus
to B plus and everything. But I do think Brad
Stevens is acknowledging and telling us what he thinks of him.
(02:41):
He really likes him, he may not always love him
in big spots, and that he's collaborative more than a
killer or the more than I'm gonna grab you by
the throat. Dalen Brown's less talented. He is that. And
I think I watched Tatum and this is confirming what
I've believed about him for about four years. What say
you on Tatum?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I feel like Tatum for I don't know why necessarily,
but this dude, I think he's judged unfairly. I think
he is over scrutinized. Now. I got while Lebron was
over scrutinized because he's one of the best players we've
ever seen, if not the best.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But Tatum is not in that class.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And yet I feel like everybody holds him to that standard.
I mean, yes, he, like most even great players, he
has had his bad moments in the playoffs or even
in the finals, so and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson
and I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But he's also had huge playoff games.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You remember a few years ago, they go to Milwaukee
down three to two and he puts up forty some
odd points against Philadelphia. What he got fifty points or
something in a critical playoff game a couple of years ago,
and then even in the closeout game this year.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The first three games, which obviously set the tone for
the series, Jalen Brown played better, but in the close
out game they failed to close him out. In Game four,
Jalen Brown was like six with twenty two something like that,
and Jason Tatum was the great, had the great game,
and Tatum obviously led them his points, rebounds and assists
throughout the finals.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So I just think that he is overly scrutinized.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'm not holding anything in Team USA against him, remember,
because people that might say he shrinks, you know, he's
with other alphas and he can't play with Team USA.
Remember in twenty twenty, he was the second leading scorer.
It was Kevin Durant averaging twenty points I believe, and
Tatum averaged fifteen. They had Damian Lillard on that team,
(04:46):
Devin Booker bam out of BAYU, and Tatum was the
second guy. In the gold medal game, he drops nineteen
points second to Durant against France, and that was a
close game. And so I just think for whatever, people
are looking for the negatives with Tatum, and in a sense,
it's good for him if he can look at it
(05:07):
the right way, because it's motivation. You are fortunate when
you have just won a championship and yet you still
have a chip on your shoulder, you still are motivated
to win more. That's a blessing because you avoid complacency.
So at the end of the day, I think Tatum
this will fuel him to be even better next year.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, Joe lmb so, he's not the defender of ad
he's not the shooter and passer of Jokic. He's not
as athletic as Yiannis. He's not as dominant, though he
has some Shack similarities. He doesn't win the Eastern Conference.
Since Lebron left, it has been wide open, wide open.
He can't win a second round playoff series. They fired coaches,
(05:49):
They've gotten rid of teammates. Is this an awakening? Is
this a He's a thirty year old with a lot
of injuries. That doesn't elevate teammates. It's happened before, where
we keep being told somebody, Carmelo Anthony, is this this,
And then by the time they're thirty thirty one, we're like, no,
they're kind of this this this. It kind of feels
like that with him, b does it not?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, And everybody, understandably so, is focused on Tatum in
these Olympics. MB's the guy that's really taking the big
l In my view, he looks bad. He looks like
he's in the way, he looks like he's out of place.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
He looks like he doesn't know what to do or.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Is ineffective if the offense isn't built around him, and
it in, Colin, people have jumped on me because I'm
so adamant about him at time, like a reasonable amount
of the time, go down low, big guy. But now
you're seeing how bad it is because you are surrounded
(06:49):
by four outstanding perimeter players at all times, and here's
the seven foot three hundred pounder who wants to be
out on the perimeter two and he's just getting in
every way. And so when they take him out, all
of a sudden, everything's flowing much better with Bam or
with ad and so Joel Embiid.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Right now, Colin, you said it. It's an awakening, was
the term you use.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'll say this, he is beginning what will be the toughest,
most scrutinized stretch of his NBA career. Because there are
no more excuses for a guy that's won an MVP
and never, to your point, won a second round playoff series.
He has really gotten been free of a lot of
(07:34):
the criticism, all right, I think because he's always injured,
or even if he's playing in the playoffs, we know
how banged up he is. Or you had James harden
New we know will disappear in big games at times.
Or you blame Ben Simmons right because he wouldn't shoot
the layup, or you blame Doc Rivers because of his
playoffs struggles.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Enough, I'm looking at Joel Embiid.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Now, you got Paul George coming in, You got Tyres,
Maxius Sinding.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Nick Nurse is a championship coach.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
If you don't get it done, I'm pointing the fingers
at you, big fella.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You're seventy percent of yourself in the playoffs. At some
point you have to show up and get it done,
and so yeah, right now, starting now, I think people
are looking at it like, oh my, and now he's
gonna get scrutinized until he can deliver a championship.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And that's what happens to the great ones.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, are you finally? It's really interesting. I mean
there's been players like bam Adebayouho's been excellent, Kevin Durant
when he's healthy can be excellent. We all know that stuff.
They're very good players. But when I watch this, these
are our best players, and I think to myself, is
(08:46):
Lebron James the best domestic player in the NBA? Still,
I'm not Sandy's Jokis, I'm not Sandy's athletic as he' honest,
he may not be as good as Wemby by the
trade deadline, But it's Lebron j this morning, the best
American basketball player right now at thirty nine, in his
(09:06):
twenty second year. Because that's what my eyes tell me.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, I do agree.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He's the best player on Team USA, like in these Olympics.
On this team, you see, he's the alpha. Everybody's deferring
to him. He's making everything happen, even defensively. A lot
so he's the best player right now on this team.
But here's why, Colin, and here's why I would say,
come next season in the NBA, he won't be the
best American player, and he wasn't the best American player
(09:35):
last year because this is what six games and if
you include the exhibition's ten games.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
So for a six to ten.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Game stretch, no back to backs, Yeah, plenty of rest.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I only have to play twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When I got such great I got great teammates with
me right when I'm on the floor, and when I
go to the bitch, I got.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Great players on the floor. We don't lose the leagu
So this is perfect for Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
When Lebron retires, when Kobe retired, when Jordan retired, it
wasn't that they couldn't go out on any given night
and kind of rekindle the.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Magic, or even for any stretch of games.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You just can't do it over the course of five months,
six months, eighty two games plus playoffs, you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So this is perfect.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And yeah, in this little stretch, Lebron can be the
best player, But eighty games and then the playoffs, he
won't because look at his defense, lookout, energize he is defensively.
He can't do that over eighty games, but he can
do it over six at thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So I think that's the explanation, because I do think a.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Lot of people are baffled, like, oh my gosh, is
Lebron still the best player in the world. But I
think this is a clear explanation that, yeah, this small
measure of games, he can go get it done.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
But eighty games, one hundred games with the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
No, Chris Bruce. And by the way, Chris just finished
this week. He fit and his family, his wife finished
Sopranos and he was puzzled by the ending. And so
if you want to go on the social team for
first things first, very funny, you know what you know,
I respect it because Chris Brussard doesn't rush to the theater.
(11:20):
He doesn't rush to the TV, by the way. That's
by the way, he doesn't when there's a new iPhone,
he doesn't rush. He takes his time. In fact, Chris
is announcing later that he's going to break down Game
of Thrones in two years. That's what I respect.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Probably five years, five years.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I just finished the wire before the Sopranos.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I haven't finished THATXT.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Good seeing you brew all right, Yeah, I'm told the
Wires Breaking Bad, I haven't. I haven't gone.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
I saw like three episodes of Breaking Bad.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
I haven't seen all the Sopranos, but I did watch
the final episode.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, Sopranos, I did. I didn't watch any Game of Thrones.
I'm just not. I would say this. My personality isn't
I've gotta have stuff first. It's just that's just not
my personality. I want now now, Kate Oppenheimer got me
to a theater. If there's a great movie. There's about
one movie a year that gets me to the theater,
(12:23):
or there's one great series that comes out on Netflix,
or there's big sporting events. But I tend to be like,
I'll get to it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
By the way, did you watch Presumed Innocent?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yet?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I gotta watch it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I saw the movie. The movie was sensational, So I
don't need to see a series.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
If you've seen one Mission Impossible, you've seen them all.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But that that's there was nothing before Mission Impossible. That's
an original, but.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
There was one, two, there's like, now nine of them?
Isn't nine the same as five and three.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Each time Tom Cruise is fighting in real life to survive.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Jig Gillenhall's fighting to survive. But I've already seen the movie.
If I read the book, I don't necessarily need to
see the movie of the book. Now Silence of the Lambs,
I thought the movie was as good as the book.
I thought, actually, I loved the firm. I thought the
movie was great again with Tom Cruise.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, you're a fan, just admitute.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, no, I listen, he's a fan's people here saying
Mission Impossible? Was a TV show?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
What is that like the sixties?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
They're right? I forgot that, but I guess they are right.
Nobody on our staff saw that show. They just wanted
to jam.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
That's a great one. I wonder who pulled that out
of their rear.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
No way to go, whoever on the staff out to
get me. No, but I I just I saw Presumed Innocence.
I loved the movie so much. With Harrison Ford, it.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
A thought provoking show. I'll just say, it's not your normal.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I don't want anything to trump the movie I saw.
Maybe I'm fear Full of the I love the That
movie's in my top fifteen all time. I love this. Oh,
I love that movie.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I guess that I don't even know. It's the top
fifteen Arizon Foid movie. Come on, Oh, it was such
a good movie.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Have to scene all time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
My top fifteen is different. You know my number two?
You know my number two all time? Spotlight? Oh that
is that movie?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Is it wants some award?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Won I bought it four times. It's too Oh my gosh,
it's too what real, authentic, It's a true story. Plus
I've got Michael Keaton in everything is amazing. In my
top twenty movies, Keaton's in like four of them. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Sometimes you think you know somebody and now you drop
these Michael Keaton bombs on, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Even that quirky Birdman was sensational. I love Michael Keaton
so much. I think he'd liked me, if we would
be friends, if he would reach out.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You know, if Taylor Swift were my neighbor, I think
we'd be friends.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Probably, I wouldn't bet on that, and you're never gonna
be neighbors.
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Speaker 6 (15:11):
The news is the Don Chetell, Michael Keaton, Ed Norton,
Ed Norton's and Man the.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Guys that I oh, oh Keaton, Cheetle, Ed Norton, I'm
forgetting some Oh. You know a guy that I think
is good in everything, Greg Kannear. I once went on
the air and said Greg Kanneer is the most underrated
actor in Hollywood and the general manager of the Milwaukee Brewers,
texting me, he goes. My wife and I were talking
(15:43):
about it was Melvin, Bob, Melvin, Melvin, the Doug Melvine, Bob, Greg.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
He's done? Is he on talk Soup back in the day?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He was the original? Whoa he's He's married to a
British woman. He kind of hides. You don't see a
lot of them. He's not looking. You don't see him
around Hollywood. Oh the other guy, Christian Bale. Oh yeah,
everything he's in is Batman versus Bain. Everything Christian Bale
is in. He just steals the show.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Can we just turn it into to do a movie?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Finalized?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
None?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm just I have my favorite.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
It's August. You know, we are allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Let's start with the Eagles, who were awesome last season
ten and one, and then they ended one and six,
including a blowout loss to Tampa in a wild card
game that I lost money on.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Devin White was in Tampa last season. Now he's with Philly.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He sees a renewed urgency after last season's collapse.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I think it was at the end when you get
to it. Man injury play a part in the playoffs.
Since the urgency on defense from the Eagles. You know,
the buzz we had, and you know, we was hunger,
We was feisty, and I think that gets you over
the top. They just was kind of lacking it for
whatever reason, Andrey or just didn't have a wheel to
win and want to. But it's a new unit. I
think we covered them in each other right now. It's
just a bunch of home the dollars, you know, trying
(16:55):
to get out there.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
With you like your Eagles.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Well, I mean Eagles fans think I.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Hate, but uh well it's amazing. I am so pro Philadelphia.
I think the Phillies are the best team in baseball.
I have the Eagles winning their division.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
By the way, Phillies here next week for the Dodgers
big series on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I'll be there. I'm you want to go to a game?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Are you inviting me to one?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
What that's gonna be. First of all, remember how the
Phillies just rolled the Dodgers in Philadelphia. That's gonna be
the best baseball series of the year. Phillies at Dodgers
are fully healthy. But uh well, Dodgers are getting healthier,
getting healthy, and they just trade deadline. They went and
got a couple good players.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
You say, so, Let's move on to the New York Giants,
who are our favorite punching bag this summer. The Giants,
they got a lot of heat from the media, and
Brian Dabole is you know, he's under a little bit
of pressure. Come on, he's this is okay. If you
don't want to believe me, how's this. He's taking on
a larger role on the offensive side of the ball,
(17:55):
radioing in play calls to quarterbacks and running the offense meetings.
According to wide receiver Darius Layton, Dable is bringing a
different mindset to the team.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Listen, as a coach, you're the walk around guy.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
You know you're supposed to be in now he's like,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, my job's on the line,
Daniel Jones, I'm going to be running the offensive meeting.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, that says a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Collins, Well, he has to win this year. But I
will say I don't think he would do that if
he had a quarterback they had more trust in. I
think Brian saying, listen, this is what we've got. I
got to be in these meetings. Nothing can fall through
the cracks. I think he's you know, that's why you
have to be very careful. You can never look at
(18:39):
coaches records. I mean, Bill Parr sells records like five hundred.
Why because he took over reclamation projects, whereas like Wade
Phillips took over really good teams. You know what I mean.
And nothing against Wade, but you have to be careful
about looking at records. Brian dables head coaching record doesn't
speak to what he is. And this is a big,
(19:02):
big lift. Not only did he inherit something, but then
the owner doubled down on a quarterback that wouldn't have
been his.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I just want to remind people all the Giants fans
saying there's no way they'll move on from Dable. The
Eagles had Andy Reid as their head coach, and when
I look.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It out, he had a good run.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
We're done.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
He was their fourteen years.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
So what He's going.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
To Kansas City and is now on track to be
like one of the greatest coaches in all time.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
That was stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now the Eagles have won Super Bowl. There's two things
about the Giants that you just don't mess with. Dable
and the defensive front. They're very good. They drafted the
defensive front well Dayble.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Everything else is what's the number they need to get to,
So the Dayble's not.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Run off with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Seven seven wins will keep the job. They're not a
lock for seven wins. If Washington's as good as you say.
We know the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I'm not saying Washington's great. I think they give him
in the playoffs right now.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh, I want to want. I want to wait for
report Camp report.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You need to see the preseason games, obviously.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay, so let's let's let's you and I right now,
sorry to the radio audience. We're gonna go through the schedule.
Let's find their seven wins that we can agree on.
Can they? I think they. I think at home they
beat the Vikings week one, but they better well okay,
I think Jaden Daniel's second start is a very winnable
game for them.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Oh so you have the Giant starting two and up?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yes? Wow, Okay, now now it gets a little rocky.
They're not winning at Cleveland. They probably don't beat Dallas,
but these are very winnable games.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Not beating Seattle on the road, I'd be very careful about.
Come on, you can't give them every toss up game. Well, no, Cats,
they give the Herol Lina and Tampa at home.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Okay, so that's two more wins. So that's f Are
they beating the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They're beating the Saints at home? That's five?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Are they beating the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They're beating the Colts at home? And Colts what Shane
Steiken and Anthony if he's still playing that stylistic.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Okay, so Colt would be six. Fine.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I do think they have a chance to split with Dallas.
Remember that second game is ceedee lamb available. How's the
offensive line?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Okay, all right, there's your Sif.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I'm not saying they're a nine win team, I'm saying
I can find seven wins in the schedule.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I cannot. Let's move on the final story.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So this is fun.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The preseason's kicking off tonight.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
The NFL has announced they will be testing out Sony's
Hawk Eye technology in some games this preseason, with the
goal of replacing the chain Gang.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The system will most likely not be ready.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
For full implementation until next season, but things move quickly
in this age of technology.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Coward with Hawkeye Tech, the system.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Will track ball placement via multiple cameras throughout the stadium
and notify the referee instantly if a first down was
gained and there's no need for the chain gang.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Are you gonna get wistful for the chain gang trotting
out to the field.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, I don't mind the chain gang if you could
alleviate as much of it as possible. So again, it's
just out there too often. If it's out there seven
times a game, can we get it down to one
or two?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It could be unscientific. In an age of data technology,
we should not have guys running out and slipping like
an index card.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Remember when the referee did that? Did he get the first.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It would be here's where it would be nice. It
would also speed the game up. If you do get
a first down, it's automatically signaled. Now we still don't
know if you don't how much is it. But I
like the idea of if refs immediately get a beep
in the ear first down, that literally saves ninety seconds.
And that happens seven times a game. So there's ten
(22:53):
minutes off an NFL game. And I'm not trying to
shorten them, but brevity matters in pro sports like college
football games, they've had the change rules to shorten that.
You don't want to get four and a half hour games,
So of six or seven times a game, that's ten
to twelve minutes of let's bring out the group, let's talk.
Let let it just be first down. I think again,
(23:13):
the NFL in a leadership position, willing to change and adapt.
Baseball trailing Football struggles with change, football leading pulling away
from everything. This is why it's king. They're always willing
to adjust the rules to make it a quicker, more
succinct television show. And in cold weather games, do you
(23:34):
want to be outside for four hours or three hours?
It does matter. This season ends in January and February.
You don't want fans sitting there like in that Kansas
City game getting frost bite and it's ninety or something
to that, A brutal Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (24:38):
We've had so much fun today. I really like what
Chris Brusard broke down. And when you really think about it,
is Lebron the best domestic player in the country, And
it's like, well, no, he has the best stuff if
you play six games like Mariano Rivera in a closing
role is one of the great pictures of all time,
but not a starter. You're not a middleman now as
(25:00):
a closer face three batters, maybe four. Mariano Riverez the
greatest pitcher of all time, virtually unhittable in that space
outside of that Diamondbacks World Series or the Yankees, but
in a limited role. So it's again, Christian McCaffrey is
a workhorse. You get, you know, twenty seven carries, You
(25:21):
get receptions, but you know, most players, as they age,
you still have greatness. Clayton Kershaw can still throw a
three hitter, but you're not going to get thirty four
starts out of him. So I think what Brussard was
saying is, listen, Lebron in a very no back to
backs six games, need great energy, well rested. He is
(25:43):
still money, you know, And I have proposed this for years.
If I ran the NBA, I would shorten all the
playoff series to three games in the first round, five
until the finals, then you can go seven. What would
that do? It would allow you to keep the biggest
star and the oldest players around longer. What really hurts
(26:05):
Lebron is seven round, seven game first round series. Even
if you win, it's four games, instead, if you were
on a better team two games half that boom onto
the next round. You want your biggest stars going to
the second round, conference finals finals? Why have this staggering
number of games? Very rarely do you go to a
(26:25):
seven game like Denver Minnesota and you have no idea
who's the better team, Like, I don't know how this
is gonna work out. You generally have a pretty good
I mean, the Celtics played the Mavericks in the finals,
didn't we know by like the second quarter of Game two?
This was a terrible matchup for the Mavericks. I mean,
it wasn't hard to figure out. So it's like last
(26:47):
year the Lakers were so good, remember early in the
season they won the in season tournament. Because you're just
asking Lebron six games be great. He is in the Olympics,
six games be great. He's better than anybody. I'm not
saying he's the best player in the league. I think
Yo Kitch is a better player Jannis when he's health
(27:09):
he's a more impactful player. And I think Wemby very
quickly will be a better player. Just does more things
at a higher level, but domestically in a three or
four or five six game stint. Lebron's still the King,
which at thirty nine you're twenty two, is unbelievable. And
I also think it speaks well of him that the
(27:30):
young players are willing to let him lead. They like him,
they respect him, and that's because Lebron has tried. He's
always made the right basketball play, He's cared about the game.
He's been a great teammate. You know, if people say, well,
he's selfish or politics, if you were worth nine hundred million,
would you ever be selfish or want to say what
you think about politics? Every goober on the internet wants
(27:53):
to tell you what they feel about politics. If Lebron
has an opinion, he can do that right. So also
we did today this two hours ago, we did our
over and unders, where j McK and I each took
five teams we think are better than they're over and
unders and five teams we don't think will be quite
(28:14):
as good now. The one he doesn't like from me,
we did agree. By the way, we agreed, the Texans
aren't over, the Vikings aren't over, we both agree, and
the Niners aren't under the only and the Raiders we
both think the Raiders are really really bad. So we
had four agreements. Of our twenty picks, we had four agreements.
(28:37):
The strongest opinion he has he doesn't buy my Denver
Broncos are better than five and a half wins at all.
He points to my very close relationship texting relationship with
Sean Payton. I I guess my strongest feel here is
you're just giving the Jets a lot of love. But
(28:58):
I do think they're talented.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
God, by the way I'm looking up, I didn't realize
this the Broncos center.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Don't you. By the way, you and I do not
disagree despite our ten picks here, yeah, five or twenty picks.
We don't disagree on any single team. I don't have
an over you have as an under one. So you
and I are aligned about thirty percent of the time.
We're never in total disagreement on any team. What you
(29:29):
say about the Broncos Broncos center, I just looked it up.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Some guy named Luke Wattenberg, fifth round pick from twenty two,
essentially played one game last year. One game, and he's
gonna be your starting center for a rookie quarterback in
bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
The rest of the offensive line by the way is shaky.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
You do.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You've been a great guard and a great left tackle.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Merrits and Bowls are good.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But the other three guys are Dicey and mclinchy had
a bad year last year. I don't I don't know
how you copple six wins out of the Broncos. But
you seem very passionate about it. Maybe you think it
was your heart and not your head.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Here, Calar, that's not the way I roll.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I've got no heart, okay, ten Man, I don't know
even the Broncos defense like other than certain their other
cornerback mathis grated out as the one hundred and twenty
sixth of one hundred.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And twenty seven quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
He just got lit up all Remember the Jets went
into Denver and throttled them last year.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Like I just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Their defense isn't great, but they did address it. They
went and got it. I think my take is Judy
and Russell Wilson out of the locker room. It feels
now it is Sean Payton's team, and I'm trusting Sean
to get to six to seven to eight wins.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I can rock with that. Rams over eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Huh oh, I feel strongly about that. I see that one.
I was already I've already bought a pair of jet
skis and a sofa.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
With that much audience can sense.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Will you get your cozy relationships with coaches and front offices?
What do you mean cozy? Tight with guys the Rams
and the Broncos?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
And now go look at that. You got the over
on both those.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I have respectful relationships with those.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I keep a distance.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
You're well, you are a respected journalist and a former
blog I'll take it if you want. And for what blogger?
Those rarely go together, respective journalists and blogger. No, I
think I do have a hard time seeing the Steelers
being bad. So many good players. Wait a minute, you
have them. You have the Steeler eight and nine. That's
(31:30):
not bad, that's average. Not for Mike Tomlin to be
the worst season ever. Pittsburgh's got so many good players. Really,
Oh my god, we should do that tomorrow. What I
think there's an argument Pittsburgh has the third best roster
in the sport.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh, they've got the fourth best roster in the division.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
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