August 3, 2024 • 58 mins
Colin talks about where he was right and wrong...plenty of both
Legendary college and Olympic men's basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski joins The Herd to break down the differences between FIBA play and how the game is played in the United States, an Olympic team's quest for gold vs. how playing time is distributed down the roster, the JJ Redick hire in Los Angeles, and much more
Colin brings you his Over/Unders for the upcoming NFL season! Plus, Chris Broussard joins the show to talk all things USA men’s basketball
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All Ron.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in on a Monday, our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. You know, for years and years and
years how big a fan I've been of Chris Paul.
He will be joining us in about five or six
minutes live. It's two time gold medalist at the Olympics,
twelve time All Star. He's had Kerr as a coach.
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I was looking at it. He's had Doc Rivers, Kerr Popovich.
He's played with Durant Curry, Booker Wemby. That Wenby Thing's
gonna be fast. He with Wemby.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
They're one of the early over picks for the season.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Over under win total disperserre at like thirty something, low thirties,
but anywhere Chris Paul goes, they win a lot of
games instantly.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I like him this year.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, all right, we do it every Monday. Colin Wright,
Colin wrong, plenty of both, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Joe l Embiid played only eleven minutes for Team USA
and he looked like he was getting in the way.
Steve Kerr pulled him early. I said it last week
and I'll say it again. Anthony Davis at this point
is the better player. He's better defensively, he doesn't get
in the way of the offense. He can also be complementary.
The USA was outscored by Serbia by twenty points when
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Joe l Embiid was on the floor. That's not great.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I said maybe they should consider not playing Kevin Durant
because of his injuries. Yeah, I was wrong. He was
eight for eight in the first half and five for
five on threes. Has there ever been a player in
our lives that was a more automatic bucket if you
get the ball to him, even late in the shot clock.
He was so important in the first half as they
were really trying to find their way offensively. They finally
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did in the second quarter, but I thought they should
consider not playing him, not risking injury, and he was
vital in that first half.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I said, Jordan Love was going to sign a contract
and it was going to be big, and I would
be okay with it. And Green Bay checks all those boxes.
Since Brett farbarrived thirty two years ago in Wisconsin, this
is the number one offense in the league, and arguably
they do a better job of developing offensive lines. They
also higher offensive coaches. I trust the Packers with quarterbacks.
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Jordan Love last year, in his final ten games was
not granually better than Aaron Rodgers ten in Green Bay
was significantly better. I think the kid can sling it.
I think he's great at the podium. I think he's mature.
He checks every box for me. Where Colin was raw,
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I would not have signed the TUA contract. He's small,
not overly athletic, can struggle to throw the ball deep
in colder, windy weather. And there's the injury thing again.
I like him. He's got a dat quality where he's
a grown up, he's mature. But this is a lot
of money and I feel like I'd be crossing my
fingers based on his injury history. But Miami, like a
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lot of NFL teams, is winning with him. They're somewhat trapped,
and so he got the bag.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I've said for years I like Jason Tatum, but y'all
got him as a top three or four player in
the league, and I'm like, it's ten, eleven, twelve for me.
Around other alphas, he kind of sometimes disappears. I think
Brad Stevens got Marcus Smart out of Boston because he
was taken up late game shots by Tatum, And yesterday
Steve Kerr had to apologize for not playing Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Jason's gonna play. Every game is going to be different
based on matchups. He's a total pro. He's you know,
first team All NBA three years in a row. I
felt like an idiot not playing him. But in a
forty minute game, you can't play more than ten, you
really can't, and you know, so I just I think
he's He's an amazing guy, great player and handled it
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beautifully and you know he'll be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Back out their next game. Where Colin was right, Nikola
Jokic should have been the MVP three years in a row.
There are very few players in league history that make
every teammate better. He's got a trophy, he won't end
with one, and he's never had a player who's an
All Star. Jamal Murray's never been an All Star. Gordon
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never been an All Star. Michael Porter never been an
All Star. Serbia was even against the United States when
he was on the floor. They were minus twenty six
when he wasn't. So it's just I gotta tell you.
He may not be pretty to watch, but in terms
of creating shots, elevating teammates, handling the ball, and passing perimeter,
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scoring butt to the basket, there's nothing like him in
the world.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Wemby may become him next year, but right now he
feels like one of one in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Seventy eight percent of Dallas Cowboy fans in a survey
last week from The Athletic said they don't think the
Cowboys are a playoff team in the next five years.
That is a staggeringly high number for any fan base
in America, especially arguably the biggest fan base in America.
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America that can sometimes get diluted. That's how fans are.
But instead of doubling down on optimism. Cowboy fans said, yeah,
we don't like it either. Jerry's driving us nuts. We
don't have enough good players. And I was actually shot
seventy eight percent of fans eight out of ten. I've
never seen anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Don Staley, former Team USA coach at the Olympics, said,
what everybody kind of knows that if they re selected
the Olympic team, they would have to strongly consider Caitlin Clark.
Number one, she's really good and feels like she's good
enough to play there. Number two, she was part of
the WNBA All Star team that beat the Olympians. And
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number three, she wouldn't be a distraction. She would elevate
the TV ratings, which could help all the players potentially
get more attention and more endorsements. Don Staley, tip of
the cap to you for admitting a real harsh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Truth where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
How about this, Cowboys signed two UFL receivers spring football.
We've been on this for a couple of years once
the two leagues merged, the Fox League and the NBC League.
When you watch these games, there are NFL players out there,
especially at skill positions safety, corner, linebacker, wide receiver, tight end,
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running back. I don't see a ton of linemen on
the defensive front who would play. But the Cowboys going
and snagging two UFL receivers from the spring League, and
we said all all year, if you'll watch the games,
there are a lot of NFL players in this league.
Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
So Mike Krzyzewski was at Duke for forty two years,
five national championships, three time Olympic gold medal winner, as
team's USA's head coach, the greatest college basketball coach along
with John Wooden of all time. He's joining US live,
so you know, Mike was interesting. Even though you often
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had some of the same stars, it does feel like
every Olympic experience, even if you have Lebron on two teams,
feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations,
different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic
experience and to your last and the different challenges you
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sometimes face. Even though you have a wonderful roster.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Well, the main challenge you have to face is the
fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know,
it's still called basketball, but it's FEBA basketball, the Federation
of International Associate of Basketball and a different ball, two
more panels administered just a little bit differently with referees,
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and so you are the team that's suggesting the international
teams that's how they play. So there's a period of
adjustment that needs to be made. And the fact that
one of the main things is a lot of the
teams that you play against, they have the same core
people over and over. Like the two top teams that
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we played against during my time were Spain and Argentina
by far and same guys. It was like a brotherhood
for them, and now it was I mean the Gasols
played forever Genobley skull on, all these guys for Argentina.
And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he
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took over USA basketball in two thousand and five was
to create some level of continuity. So I became the
first national coach. That means you had a four year run,
just like Steve Kerr has a four year run. And
that created continuity and then could you get some of
the same players. So in eight with the Redeemed team,
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five of those players ended up being on the London team.
In twelve and five players from our World championship team
in istan Bul also came. So I had ten players
who understood FOBA, understood feba, and that helps, and that's
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what's helping Steve Kerr. Right now, you have Kevin durant
Is going for his fourth gold medal Lebron going for
his third. You have Guys Curry. A lot of people
say he's going for his first goal, but he has
two goals. He won the World Championship in ten and
in fourteen, so he understands FOBA and so does Anthony Davis.
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The veterans on that team, and a couple of the
guys who played for coach Popovich for pop In winning
in Tokyo are on the team. So there's some level
of familiar familiarity Colin and that is really very very important.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So I think it's difficult. It's only forty minutes long.
Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologized for
not getting Jason Tatum in. But sometimes it's matchups. Sometimes
I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well,
right now Derek White and Drew Holliday work in this rotation.
Is did you find when you were coaching you wouldn't
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do this at Duke, but you were looking down the
bench thinking I got this great all star. I got
to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes
like that?
Speaker 7 (11:36):
You know, I'll be honest with you, I did not
that when we met as a team and developed standards
of how we were going to live together, and we
were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win
the goal. And really the only question that will be
asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics
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only twenty four They're going to ask did you win.
They're not going to ask how much you played, how
much you scored? Did you win? And so I asked
each of the guys to give me their word, to
pledge that they would do anything that they that was needed,
less minutes, more minutes not playing playing to win the
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gold medal. And they all did. And we tried to
come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and
maybe ten and who started and to give some level
of continuity, and then a key thing in the real
close games was to have a closing unit in the
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last six minutes or so that we're accustomed to playing
with one another that would be somewhat different from the starters. Yeah,
and I tried to use that throughout, and I never
really I didn't work worry about the playing time of
players because they shouldn't be worried about it. Yeah, they
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should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning.
And I think this team has that mentality. And I
can tell you that the five team side coach, all
those guys were terrific in handling that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So international you can't worry.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
About You cannot worry about playing time, be worried about
defending the three and not committing too many team files
that give them free throws. And if we do those
two things, then we're going to win.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
International basketball has exploded. I can remember twenty five years
ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh,
they're soft, Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting
and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block
shots in the NBA with his elbow. Do you remember
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I mean it's insane. He doesn't look like any player
I've seen, even a chet Home grew and who was
terrific at Gonzaga, and okay, see doesn't really compare. Do
you remember the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean,
what have you? What do you make when you watch him?
What was the first time you heard about Wemby?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen
him yet. And then in seeing him for the first
time and where he's like maybe four or five inches
taller than go back, I said, oh my god. And
then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and
going behind his back. I said, all right, this is uh,
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there's nobody like this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And but you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA
players are international players, and that's only going to increase
because the international players are are taught differently. They're not
in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much
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they can practice, how much they can play, so in
some respects there they have a greater continuity of being coached,
and we need to change that in our country. In
men's college basketball and not having twenty hours a week
only of practice or four hours a week during the summer.
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It's outdated, it's ridiculous, and we need to have shot
clocks in every state. We need to play the game
the same way. In our country it's played in so
many different ways, whereas in the other countries, if you're
in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're
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an adult, you play the game the same way and
you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So a couple non Olympic things to discuss. I like
JJ Reddick. I think he's smart. I think he's why
I love him. He's curious, he's feisty, he's competitive, all
the things that make a great coach. Some have said
he can be a little arrogant. He can be, but
some of the great players and coaches have that there's
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a line between that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that,
when you hear the criticisms that he's a little air again,
you know, what do you make of that? Because I
always thought he was super confident, But I kind of
think that's his that's his DNA, that's his edge. What
do you make of those criticisms?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him because
you know, we're dominated by social media, so who is
making the criticism? You know where? You know opinions are good,
But where's the opinion coming from?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Right, you know?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
And what's the source? For mej JJ is amazingly competitive
and is prepared as well as any player that I
coached at Duke. He's small, he's confident, and he understands
the game, and having fifteen years of being a pro,
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he has empathy for the guy trying to make it.
When he's trying to make it, he makes it and
for the veteran who is still trying to trying to
make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA,
but he was certainly a superstar in the National Player
of the Year when he played in college, So I
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think he has empathy for what a roster would look like.
He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants
to be a coach, and I think he surrounded himself
up to now. I don't know his entire staff with
some veteran coaches, which will that will help him, But
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I love him. I think he's terrific, and I think
he can relate to his players at the best level.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You've had such a great opportunity and have a relationship
with Lebron James and I've said he reminds me a
bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an adult. Tom
and him have such deep respect for the game itself,
for the academic scholastic side, for the training side. I
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want you to go back because you've had a relationship
with Lebron forever, and much like Wemby, we don't get
to see practice stuff. You got to see practice stuff
with Lebron. Take me to a moment, maybe it was Olympics,
maybe it was high school, when you recruit all these
guys from Zion to Lebron, the Christian Latner, who I
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thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've
ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of Lebron
and did you not only see athleticism, but just a
different mindset. He was twenty going on forty. Did you
notice it immediately?
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart
he was. You know, you're a little bit shocked at
the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that's there. And
then you add intelligence, then you add a command voice,
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then you add leadership and then you add something that
a lot of people don't have, and that's the will
to prepare to win. Everyone wants to win, not everyone
will pay the price every day every year to be
at their best before practice. I mean, he has the
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same guy helping him for two decades. You know, he
stretches for over a half hour, and he preps his body.
And while he's prepping his body's prepping his mind. And
he's just so damn prepared.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
He and Kobe were the two guys I thought, we're
just above everyone in preparation, physical, mental, you name it.
And when they were on the court at a practice
or in a game, they wanted to be the best
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all the time, all the time, and they paid the
price for it. And you know, we for anyone who
knocks Lebron in any way, they're just crazy. Like you know,
we're not going to see anybody like him. He's one
of a kind. Just what he's doing in the Olympics,
his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. I mean, he helps
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his team by how he looks, not just how he plays.
I want to play with a guy who looks like
like because there's hardly anybody who looks like that I
mean facially, yeah, not just body wise, is the face
of a champion. This guy has that face of a champion.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Finally, I know, wel don't want to build up Cooper
Flagg too much, but I did watch him and he's
a really he's a really interesting player.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously
he was very good, very early, and he's going to
be the number one, two or three pick and who
knows NBA. But if i'd never seen him play, I
want you forty two years at Duke, I've never seen
him play, and you tell me about what would I
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expect going to see Cooper? What does he do in
your labyrinth of experience? What does he do that is unique?
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well, it's something that a lot of players are not
doing right now. And he loves to not only play,
he loves to compete. I'm talking about love, you know,
like he you know, he doesn't care who's watching he's playing.
He loves the game. And that's that's not found as
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much like he plays the game because he loves it,
and he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless and he competes
like crazy. He's got a I don't know if I
haven't coached him, but watching him, he seems to me
has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that
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takes him to a whole another level. Like he he's
totally immersed in playing. And then he's extremely talented. He's
not just talent, he's extremely talented, but he has all
those intangibles that I've just said, And so if you
put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have
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a very special basketball player. And this this kid, hopefully
he stays healthy and continues to maintain that in this
world of now social media, and you know, I think
people can get to a player can get too caught
up and all that and and what other people think
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of them. Forget it. Forget it's what who what you
think of you, what your coaches think of you, and
just be stay in that lane and keep that passion.
And this kid's going to be very very special.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know, I was finally I was thinking about this.
I've called her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what
I call Caitlyn Clark is that I knew she was
talented years ago, and then all of a sudden, Taylor
Swift does the eras to her and you can't get ticket.
She sells out Sofi Stadium seven seven nights in a row.
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Everybody in LA went to it. And I watched Caitlin
Clark a couple of years ago and I'm like, oh,
she's fun to watch it. And it is a it
is a tsudonomy of basketball. Were even you taken back?
First of all, she's very good, But were you taken
back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I
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it's got a Taylor Swiftfield coach. It's like taking over
the country.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Well it does, and I think also it's the moment
to take it over, you know, women's basketball. It's terrific,
and uh, it's continued to progress and all of a
sudden now it seems this opening for her and it's
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like it meshes and you know, Uh, the cool thing
one of the cool things about her, uh is that
she was at I Well for a career, so she
became like a cult hero there. So she was it
was like an off Broadway thing, you know, where she
was accustomed to the crowds and whatever. And she she
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handles it so well. And she had like about a
ten game adjustment in the w NBA and now she's
going crazy there. Also, you know what she is, She's
genuine and I think her knowledge, her feel for the game.
I think the best thing she does is pass.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, yes, great passer.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
She's an amazing passer, and she sees things. And everyone
talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously she
does that really well, but she makes teammates better. And
putting her on a w NBA team where you have
you know, adults, you have you have old players and
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really talented players, you're going to see her talents even
even more. And I think you're continuing to see it
and she's going to be one of our great American players.
I know some people are angry about her not being
on the Olympic team, and the timing wasn't right yet,
you know, but certainly she'll belong there. And it's kind
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of like in two thousand and eight, Kevin Durant was
on our select team and he almost we almost picked
him for the Redeemed team. And then he was on
the World Championship in twenty ten and let us since
he averaged thirty three points a game in the medal
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round and then he took off. I think that trajectory
will be there for Caitlin. I really admire how she's
handled everything and she won over the people competing against her.
They see that she's tough, she can handle it. But
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I love her passing. I think passing has become a
little bit of a lost art with all the ball
handling drills and whatever, and she sees things that most
players do not see.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Forty two years, five championships, three time Olympic gold medal
winning coach, the Great Mike Krzyzewski. You look great by
the way you're obviously you're you're doing something right. You're
happy and joyful because you look fantastic. You don't have
to be on the recruiting trail. Twenty four to seven
of that you probably sleep now occasionally, right.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
That helps the recruiting trail, It's not the one I
want to be on the one. Now I'm really lucky
I do. I'm consult for the NBA. Now, I speak
a lot. I still work at Duke coming my conference
conference from and I got ten grand kids with within
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ten minutes of me, so I'm busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow, that's a good life, great scenior coach, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, good being on.
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Speaker 1 (28:48):
All right now, the real football talk stars live in LA.
It's The Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for Megana's part of your day. Jamac
You and I like to occasionally throw a few dimes
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down on football. We like to bet, and I think
we both You bet more college basketball than I do.
I think I bet more college football than you do.
And we both bet the NFL. Neither one of us
bets baseball. I do not have baseball, but we love
our NFL bets.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Well, you know, you do get a little skittish giving
out all these bets on air because then people follow us,
and you know, you feel great when it hits. But
we got to remember, like fifty eight percent is good
in NFL games.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Accept this, We'll go ten for ten. You should take
these as the Bible. Ten for ten.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Okay, Colbert's got.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It all right. It's our version of over under. So
they're called future bets. Vegas DraftKings the big company say hey,
here's a number, like, for instance, nine and a half,
and DraftKings is you have to pick. Do you think
your team will win over that number or under that number?
(30:03):
So it's over unders. It's one of my favorite things
about I love betting these. They're really fun in college
football where you've got three hundred or one hundred and
thirty teams to pick from, but we got thirty two,
so you ready to go? Yeah? Yeah, all right? My
first over the Texans over nine and a half. Listen,
it's a good roster, and I just got better Stefan Diggs,
Joe Mixon, Daniil Hunter. Those are really nice players. I
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just can't see this team in this division going eight
to nine and nine and eight. I think they have
a rising star in coaching is CJ. Stroud going to
get better? Well, didn't Joe Burrow get better in his
second third year? Like he'll be better even if it's
granually better. Again. I just like everything except ownership with
this team. I think three straight years they've gotten everything
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right in personnel, where New England three straight years has
gotten everything wrong. It may only be a ten seven team,
but I just don't see it as a five hundred team.
I think they're too talented and have too much good leadership.
From GM to coach to quarterback coordinator. Those guys are
all a's. They're just gonna outsmart their way to at
least ten wins. That's my first Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, I didn't know we were doing it Like this
producer's let me know.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
My first over is Texans over nine and a half
as well, So I don't know if that's good or
bad to start, But Colin, they won ten games last
year and Stroud missed.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Two because he got knocked out of the Jets game.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Okay, like, how are they nine and a half? I
don't understand what I'm missing here. Is everybody gonna betting
the Texans and maybe there's.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Some regression coming. I think the division is better. Anthony
Richardson should play fer.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Mentally that I don't know if he's good.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like we don't think the Titans are that much better Jacks,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I have this.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
The Texans are favored in their first six games, so
they have some newness.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Five new starters on defense.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
So when you're working out the kinks early, it's against
teams you should be. Now, they'll need that because the
back half of the schedule is tough, and I think
they're fine to get over ten.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think they're a ten to eleven win team. I mean, Diggs,
Nico Collins, take Dell is a great team man.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right, here's my first under Titans under six and
a half. There is evidence in the last eight starts
with Mike Rabel will Levis is not an NFL starter.
Fifty seven percent completion percentage, seventy seven passer rating. Now,
I didn't have much to work with, but Rabel's a
good coach. The division I think is going to be better.
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I think Houston, Jacksonville and the Colts will be better.
I liked all three of their drafts, so I look
at their schedule. They open at Chicago and then with
Aaron Rodgers, and they open the Jets will have just
lost to the Niners, so their home opener looks like
an L, and their opener looks like an L. And
once Will Levis is zero and two, the Wolves are out.
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I'll take Tennessee under six and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Okay, my first under is, uh, let's see the New
England Patriots under four and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
That's my favorite under so Colin.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
They're underdogs in every game on the schedule, and if
you look at the lines, it's not even like one
or two. The majority of their games they're over an
underdog field goal by a field goal, meaning like the
market doesn't trust these guys at all.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
New quarterback, new OC, new head coach.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
We're already seeing defensive injuries to bar Moore, issue with Judahon.
I don't like the Patriots at all. This could be
two or three win team. My next over Denver five
and a half. I've said this over and over. First
of all, they got rid of Jerry Judy and Russell Wilson.
I'll argue the locker room will be better. Secondly, the
offense wasn't the issue. They drafted another receiver, Mims ends
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up being very good. They won eight games last year.
I do not think their roster is as bad as
everybody says. PFF has a top ten offensive line.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Bow Nicks is accurate, smart and coachable. He'll move the chains.
I don't think he'll pop, but he'll move the chains.
And again, the Raiders could be the worst team in
the league. I just can not see this team going
five and twelve. I can see him going seven and ten.
I can see them not going five hundred. But the
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bar is so low five and a half. The defense,
by the way, they paid attention to that as much
as they could in the draft. I think they're a
seven eight win team.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I'll go Panthers over five and a half wins.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Now, this was four and a half and it was
bet up to five and a half Collins, So somebody
out there really loves Carolina. How about this stat? Last
year they went two and fifteen. They did not lead
in the fourth quarter at all. Last season, both wins
were on the final play of the game. This is
a team that nobody wants to touch. And you know
how we feel sometimes when absolutely nobody wants any part
of a team, Give it to me. Easy schedule. I
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like Dave Canalis to help Bryce Young get better. I
like the Panthers over five and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs under eleven and a half
with Harbaugh in the division with Herbert, you're gonna lose
one of those games. They lost Legerius Snead, their top
corner Harrison, Butker comments Rashi Rice Legal troubles. This is
still a wide receiver corps that I would never trust.
This was a bad team in the middle of the
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season ten to week fourteen. Again, they'll be fine eventually,
but they're aging at key spots. Like Travis Kelce the
divisions better. I see him as an eleven and sixteen,
ten and seven, but I do not see them as
a top of the AFC twelve or thirteen win teams.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Spicy, I will go under nine and a half on
the Miami Dolphins. Just too much newness on the defense
and Colin I love to look at schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Who's gonna bet over unders.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
The final six games of the season for the Dolphins
are tougher than anyone else in the league. Has three
cold weather games and the other ones are just brutal opponents.
So if they're not at like seven wins heading into December.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Just forget about it. So I like the Dolphins going
under nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
My next over Minnesota over six and a half. They
won seven games last year with four different quarterbacks. They
have too much talent on offense, and this is a division.
Lions and Packers are not great defensive teams. Bears could
be good, but they're gonna face if you look at
their schedule, some average defenses. Under Kevin O'Connell the head coach,
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the tall Sean McVay, they have the number three passing offense,
and they've done this with a lot of different guys.
Darnald won't be spectacular, but he'll move the chains. Left tackle,
running back, O line, receiver, tight end, head coach way
above average. The NFC does not have a lot of stifling,
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dominant defenses. I'm taking this team to be around five
hundred seven eight nine wins over six and a half.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I don't have much to add Outlet's just say one
name that jumps out. Their running back situation last year
was just horrendous. They couldn't do anything. I think O'Connell
upgraded that. I like the weapons I'm with you. Vikings
over six and a half.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Okay, so we both agree with the Viking. Yeah, under
Raiders under six and a half a mess at quarterback.
They're the only team in the league that doesn't have
their next quarterback. Aiden O'Connell can't move. He's a hacket guy.
Antonio Pierce got the job because in interim position, the
team played really hard, but the defense could regress. They're
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incredibly dependent on Max Crosby, who's amazing, but they need help.
I just don't think it's a very good football team.
I think as harbought. I mean, look at the division.
Andy Reid twice, Sean Payton twice, Jim Harbaugh twice, Antonio
Pierce never been a head coach. I think they're a
five or a six win team. I'll take the under
six and a half Raiders.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I got under as well.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I wonder is Crosby and DeVante Adams on this team
in December or that they get shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's his team's awful.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
This team has no identity, like I don't even know
who the face of the team is.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They're just not good. I think the Raiders are a disaster.
I'm with you under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Wow, we agree in both. My next over Falcons over
nine and a half. Part of this is the division's
a mess. I like Atlanta Kirk Cousins a massive upgrade
over Desmond Ritterer and Taylor Heineke the old lines top
six according to PFF, and they've got really nice pieces
they couldn't use like Bjeon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pips.
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Just can't get the ball the last couple years to
those guys. Now those guys are gonna explode. I think
this is potentially a big over, getting close to the
over by Thanksgiving. I think this team could win twelve games.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I will go Eagles over as my next and that's
my best bet for an over. Philadelphia Eagles over ten
and a half. Division vary Sus. I think, like you said,
the Cowboys fading.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I think this could be sneaky, the best offense in
the NFC.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I know we like Lions and Packers and Rams, but
I'm just this Saquon Barkley edition. We could be under
selling at Colin. I love the Eagles over ten and
a half.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Okay, this isn't a strong play, but I'll take Cowboys
under ten and a half. I think they're about a
ten to seven team, incredibly reliant on CD Lamb. I
like Tony Palmer gone. I like Michael Gallup gone, I
like Tyron Smith gone. No free agent acquisitions. Don't think
they have any impact players from the draft. They didn't.
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They're getting old. They're still rebuilding the offensive line. Dak
when he throws forty or more times, has a losing record.
This team has one of the weaker running back rooms.
I think Dallas is okay, but I do not see
them as an eleven win team. At best ten or nine.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'll go Pittsburgh Steelers. We never finished under five hundred.
Give me the under eight and a half for Mike Tomlin.
I'm sorry Pittsburgh fans. Hey man, I'm back to you guys.
Last year, can you pick att disappointed me. I don't
love anything about this offense this year. I think they're
an under eight and a half win team.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
All right. One of my stronger overs rams over eight
and a half. Sean McVay has won nine plus games
in six of the seven seasons. Puka Nakua now gives
them a great receiving corps. They bolstered their defense at
corner with Tredevius White, Darius Williams, Blake Korham. Now they've
got a star running back. This team defensively in their
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front is young but really really talented. McVeigh may be
the second best coach in the league. Stafford on any
Sunday is as good as Eddie quarterback in the league.
I'm sorry over eight and a half, this is an
easy one. I see them as a ten to eleven
win team.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I feel the same way about that New York Jets
over nine and a half smash that I mean, hammer it.
They're winning the division, Rogers, healthy offensive line, incredible defense,
elite colin.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
My second best over bet on the board Jets over
nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Finally my under It'll be close. Don't feel really strongly
like I said about the Cowboys, but Niners under eleven
and a half. They've become incredibly dependent Christian McCaffrey. They've
had a very noisy off season. By the way, Kyle
Shanahan has been held under eleven wins in four of
the seven seasons. He's got a losing record without Christian McCaffrey.
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Like I love Kyle Shanahan, but they're very much about
Christian and I think he's had a lot of carries
the last several years. So I think this is a
good team. I would not be shocked if they made
a move at the trade deadline. I think there are
certain limitations bad other games for brock Purty. We saw
that when it was a little rainy in Cleveland. I
think they're a good football team. Ten or eleven. I
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do not see over eleven and a half, So I'll
take the Niners under eleven and a half.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I have the Niners winning the Super Bowl, but also
under eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's nothing about it. I don't think the team got worse.
I'm kind of weak to try. It's just this is
a marathon, not a sprint. Like we were close last year.
We're gonna make it again.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And if you look at the schedule, it is difficult
with the arrest differential. Whereas they're playing on like a
Monday night, then they got to play Sunday again.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
The league really screwed them schedule wise.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Warren Sharp has dug into this and got the numbers,
but so I'll go under on the Niners.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Now, Warren's right about that. When you start getting to
week twelve, thirteen, fourteen, if you don't rest enough, it's
an issue. So there are the Herds favorite NFL futures.
We agree on Texans. We agree on the Texans. We
agree on the under with the Niners Vikings over Yep,
we agree. So we've got some agreements there. These are five.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You don't have Patriots. Interesting that was.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I strongly consider the Patriots. I mean, it came down
to the Patriots or the Cowboys. But I just think
to myself, God, can't you win five games? It's hard
to be four and thirteen. I mean, you have to
be atrocious everywhere.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Just a new coach, new quarterback, new offensive coordinator, brutal schedule.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
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Speaker 1 (42:24):
Well you know him from twelve NFL seasons, three rings,
Brady's go to guy the latter stages of his career,
one of the great all time receivers. In the postseason,
He's also going to podcast games with names, which I
had the pleasure to be on. Very very good, hard
probing questions by Julian Element, very impressive conversational. Yes, so
NFL kickoff rules. My thing was okay, the intense good.
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It's kind of weird looking, but you're trying to guys
like you not get hurt. I want my players to
play longer. It's weird, but it is more football. I mean,
what you make of it.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
I think it's exciting and guys like me don't want
to get hurt. But guys like me also made the
team because of special teams, and it's an opportunity for
eight hundred more plays or so they keep on saying,
for guys that are bouncing around the league, guys that
are special teams, guys to have an opportunity to stay
on a team. It gives guys value. You know, it's exciting.
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I was watching this all last night just to see
what the special teams coordinators scheme is gonna be. How
are they gonna adjust to this. I mean, it's gonna
be real exciting. When you see a guy like Cordell
Patterson back there, who has a twenty yard cushion and
he only has to break one wave. Yeah, you know,
the original, the old school kickoff, there's usually three waves
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of guys that you have to hit, and you have
a track. You see how they're trying to run that track. Yea,
you know here, you run the track and you break
through that one gap and you're you're gone. You know
it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun play. It's
gonna bring more points.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I watched every kickoff, we all watched it. I was
glued to.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It, and I thought, I thought it was good. I mean,
there wasn't. The tackles are still going to be pretty
tough because those guys are flying. Now. Usually you got
a really good Matthew Slater type guy that's running down
the field on special teams. That cushion's only six seven
eight yards because he's a burner. These guys are having
thirty yard cushions, which means you're not getting in to
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that wave of guys and you know you're getting full
speed ahead. So it's gonna be an exciting, fun.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Play, all right. So the NFL said, Dolphins rams Niners,
knock it off. You found a loophole in the rules
in regards to motion, and Dolphins did it week one,
and then McVeigh and shannan saw it newsed at the
rest of the season. So I want to talk about this.
I've said, when it comes to my football coach or
my accountant, push the envelope, look for loopholes as long
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as it's legal. Belichick did this, did he not. We
did zoom and zap's jet motions all the time. And
what it does is it creates confusion for the defense
at a lightning fast speed. So say it's a run
play and you got Deebo Samuel jetting across the field.
The outside landbacker has to pay attention to this guy
for a half a second. That half a second makes
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that tackle be able to get up to him the
second level.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
And then he goes for a pass play you get
a Tyreek Hill who you know, he's motioning to the outside.
He's creating a natural separation instantly, and then once he
gets speed and he can get going, you know, it's
tough for a defender to catch up to that. So,
I mean, this has been going on for years. We
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used to do this all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Know, substitute tackles or.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Hey, if it's in the rules, like you said the accountant,
you gotta get in there.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah. I was a little surprised, maybe not a lot,
but that Caleb didn't play. I mean Tom actually debuted
Brady in a Hall of Fame game. Mahomes plays preseason? Uh,
what did you make not playing Caleb at all?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Oh, I want to see Caleb play in the preseason.
I don't necessarily care they didn't play in this game
for the simple fact that I've heard through the grapevine
for years now that the plane surface and everything at
the Canton Hall of Fame Stadium is absolutely atrocious. So
you know I don't care about that. I do you know,
as a player, I loved getting a preseason game, a
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preseason rep because it gives you an opportunity to work
out your game day operation. What time do I get
to the facility? I need two hours to get my
warm up in, I need an hour to get an IVY.
I need to go go over my game plan for
thirty minutes. It gives you that game day operation, so
once you hit a real game, you know what you
have to do to get going to get yourself mentally, physically,
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emotionally set for the game. So I'm sure he'll get
some reps they have an extra game in preseason. I
don't mind that he didn't play in the Hall of
Fame game because of the surface.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
If it was a one o'clock game in Foxboro, do
you show up at eight thirty five or something like that,
eight forty ish, eight forty five.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
Uh one. I usually like to get there about four
and a half hours before.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, so you're.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
We'd have one meeting in the morning at our team hotel,
and I go directly back to just the stadium.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So I was saying this. If you would have said
when Drake, when Brock Purdy was the last guy drafted,
if you would have said, you know what, they're going
to bail on the number three pick, They're going to
go with Brock Purdy, you could have said, hot take.
So I'm like, be careful. Joe Milton his last year
and a half in the SEC thirty touchdown passes, five picks,
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sixty five percent completions, seven rushing touchdowns, Jacoby Brissett sixty
quarterbacks play. If Bresset twists and ankle, Milton is a
physically superior to Drake. May I said, I wouldn't be
shocked if he got snaps all season. What do you
make about the reports that Drake is really struggling, and
what do you make of their quarterback situation?
Speaker 6 (47:56):
We would you say, right there, physically, he's a specimens,
a specimen. But he did play at Michigan and then
had to transfer right to Tennessee, so transferred. So yeah,
but rock Purdy didn't. He played four years and what
was his what was his strength? It was being a
cerebral player, so he could execute. He can operate, I mean,
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which that immediately translates to the league. If you can
do that, now you know a guy that can throw
ninety yards. He looks the part and everything. I mean,
that's that's all great until you have live bullets coming
down your face. And also in New England, I don't
know how it is now, but I'm sure Mayo has
adopted a lot of the same scheduling things with practice.
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You know, you have ninety guys on the team right now,
so your first stringer is getting most of the reps.
Second stringer, depending on situation. I'm sure Drake may is
getting more reps than a regular second teamer. And then
you have the third stringers, which there's usually a designated
period called the basic period for the third stringers, the
guys that are trying to make the team, the guys
that need to be evaluated. Uh, and they play against
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each other. They've seen the play three times. They saw
the ones run the same play against the same look.
They saw the twos run the play against the same look.
Then they have an opportunity to go out there to
show the coaches, hey, I can digest what we brought
from the meeting room and bring it to the grass.
So that's where this is right now, until live bullets
are going and you have a six foot six Julius
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Peppers type coming right down your face and you got
to make a throw, you know this is this is
still sunshines and rainbows.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, it was funny. I I you guys were very
good at it in New England, Brady and Belichick, who
will spent a lot of time at the podium. Gronk
was a little goofy and then he tightened up pretty quick.
So Patriots didn't send guys to the podium that could
get in trouble. But it is interesting solo when when
Aaron Rodgers was in Egypt said it was an excuse,
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And my take is keep it to yourself. You know,
I don't need to know that. Yeah, Aaron comes out
this week and says, yeah, nobody told me. We didn't communicate.
I wouldn't go there. I did think it felt like
a little shot at Aaron, little shot at the coach.
I could be overreacting. Maybe I'm so used to Brady
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Belichick where you gave up nothing, But I can't see
Stafford and McVeigh taking shots at each other. I didn't
like it.
Speaker 6 (50:22):
Yeah, you did you You know I kind of saw that too.
Speaker 7 (50:27):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
I'm still not a fan of of missing a mini camp.
I didn't like that. I have nothing but the most
ut respect for Aaron Rodgers and his ability to play
the game. But we're we're all. We all make a
lot of good money here, you know, when we're playing football,
and if you can't reschedule something four days later, who's
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made a like I don't understand the logic behind that. Yeah,
and it's only making us talk about this right now.
And they haven't even had a snap during the year.
He hasn't even played a meaningful snap in two years,
and we're talking about all this, So you know, all
this is doing is create more and more distractions, which
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that city, New York. They love that page six. I'm
sure they're all. I mean, you're a New York guy, right, this.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Is four functioning newspapers are five.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
So it's it's you know, it's just making the situation
more difficult if things go bad.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Do you know at this point? So college camp's open today,
I think most of them. NFL camps have been going
for about a week or so. Plus you have OTAs.
How long before you Julian looked at the rookies and said, oh,
that guy can help us. I mean, mostly have eight
new guys, and there's there'll be a couple free agents,
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some low end, some high end. But when you start
integrating guys into your camp, do you have a sense,
like a weekend, Oh, this guy can't pick it up,
this guy can certain positions.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
I could see a receiver right away at OTAs if
he was going to help us. Really yeah. I remember
watching Jacobe Myers, and I remember he was an undrafted guy,
former quarterback, and I saw the way he released the ball,
how strong his hands were, how he was he never
made the same mistake twice and like early and when
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I saw that, and he was able to create separation,
and he still didn't really know how to run routes.
Like you can see something right away, you get to
really see it when the pads come on. So you know,
the first day of pads, everyone's a little hopped up.
Everyone's all you know, this is war day and war
daddies are everywhere.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
That's when you really get to see if if you
have a you know, an offseason training camp all American,
or you have a guy that's ready for you know,
real football. So it's pretty early on offensive lineman. I was,
you know, you see that we were in a very
different situation where our coach would coach. Belichick would coach
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everyone in front of everyone, so he would pull highlights
and low lights after each practice and address the whole
team in front of us. So I remember watching Rob
Ninkovich and he was like a long snapper for New
Orleans and we picked him up. And I remember watching
him on one on ones the first day of practice,
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going against Matt Light, who was our Matt Light was
one of our best linemens three Super Bowls. I mean
he was stud technically sound, strong, and Rob Niinkovitch was
eating them up on one on ones the first day
we were there. Wow. And that that's when I was like,
I put him in my phone. Rob Ninkovich, White Athletic
guy because you know it was.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
One of those things.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
It's still that same thing, but you know that's that's
where you see it when you see it against a
guy with pads on, or you see it against high
level guy like a Matt Light against a new guy,
Rob Ninkovich, that's when you can start at the base.
All right, this guy could potentially help us. Now it
changes once you get in. You know, the speeds get
higher and higher. OTA's is fast because you've been training
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and it's all whatever. Then you get to training camp,
it's a lot faster because you're throwing on pads. You
get to play against another opponent, you go to a
joint practice, those are even faster. You get to the
preseason game sometimes those are fast, but when you play
against someone else, they're faster. Then regular seasons a whole
nother ballgame because everyone studs, right, So it's just continually
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get You get a look at a guy and then
you you kind of watch him. You tag them and
you say, I'm gonna watch him. I want to see
him three weeks later, because you know everyone's fired up.
Week day one of pads, Sure, the real dogs come out.
You know, the second week of pads. That's when you
see competitive stamina.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I want to say, so, what year did you break in?
Speaker 6 (54:53):
You broke in, broke into the NFL two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
What was who was the most impressive rookie in all
you Because this is a big deal. Now I'm watching
Rome with Dunze and Caleb. I can't wait your whole
career there. Who was a rookie and two practices in?
Now Nikovic had been in the league. Yeah, he'd been
in a rookie and you were like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
Devin mccorty was pretty I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
He was going up against him, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 6 (55:24):
Going against each other.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
He was.
Speaker 6 (55:25):
He was pretty good. Like just he he he gave
professional vibes. He had a professional aura, the way he
was in the locker room, the way he talked, the
way he held himself, the way he was with his
family early on. Like he he was a guy that
you were just impressed with, Like he doesn't really look
like a rookie.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Or act like a rookie. Yeah that's something now, you know.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Like I said, Jacoby Myers, when I first saw him,
I saw his release game and and and he wasn't
even a receiver for a long time, and I was
really impressed with him. That's just those are the two
that stick out.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
No, I think stuff like that's fascinating to me because
I'll say stuff sometimes on the air, and I'll say
little stuff. People that do little stuff well generally do
big stuff even better because little stuff is annoying and
sometimes teds, but it leads to big stuff. That's absolutely so.
By the way, you're gonna do a pod with Bill
(56:22):
on your Games with Names. So you're doing John bod Jovi,
You're doing Bill, You're doing big stuff. You're going So
let me ask you. I think Bill's gonna make another
one at coaching. I think he's too smart to be
out of it. I said this when Sean Payton came
to Foxbury year. I'm like, I remember having dinner. I'm like,
you're too smart to be doing I'm doing. You gotta
go coach. Bill's too smart to be sitting on the sidelines.
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I actually think it's an advantage Bill not coaching, getting
off the treadmill, bouncing around to college camps, you know, Son,
I like, I think it's what Bill needed. I think
sometimes it's it's I mean, you're on the treadmill. Yeah,
you don't even fall the news. You don't know what's
going on, your guest, Do you think Bill makes another
big run to try to get back, because I still
think he's one of he's the smartest defensive coach in
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the history of football.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Yeah, I do. I do think Bill wants to get
back into coaching. And you know, I think this is
a great thing for him to have a year off
because he when we go into the off season, he'd
always talk about self scout. We got a self scout.
We got to know our strengths, we got to know
our weaknesses. Now, if he practices what he preaches in
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his coaching career, then he's going to get better because
he's going to realize certain things that he probably would
have did differently, or this or that. You know so,
and it gives you a perspective when you get to
see be out for a year and see it because
I remember after I retired my first year, my first
year out, I'm sitting there like, man, I wish I
would have done this a little less, or I would
have done this a little more. I didn't train train
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too hard this year. And you know he still has
you know some gas in the tank where he can
still go out and do things because he's a coach,
which is a great teacher, great teacher. So I do
believe he's going to be back in the league.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah. So you did look at your career and pick
it at it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, train too hard?
Speaker 6 (58:07):
Yeah, I mean my body broke down. And I was
a guy that never liked to get out of shape.
For you know, my first two three years, I was
like a regular. You know, all right, you get three
weeks off, but after that, you know, hanging around Brady,
you sit and you look the off seasons where you
evolve yourself. This is where you make your gains. This
is where you can do that. I just didn't do
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it as smart as I possibly could. I would just
go full speed like a jet throttle, no throttle, ain't
no break.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Julian Edelman three super Bowl championships, one of the great
postseason receivers ever, Twelve years in the NFL, all with
New England.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's great, Senia, great seen you shout out to Lilybug
my little girl.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Lily Howard. Congratulations for coming to this amazing studio. It's
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All Ron.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in on a Monday, our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. You know, for years and years and
years how big a fan I've been of Chris Paul.
He will be joining us in about five or six
minutes live. It's two time gold medalist at the Olympics,
twelve time All Star. He's had Kerr as a coach.
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I was looking at it. He's had Doc Rivers, Kerr Popovich.
He's played with Durant Curry, Booker Wemby. That Wenby Thing's
gonna be fast. He with Wemby.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
They're one of the early over picks for the season.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Over under win total disperserre at like thirty something, low thirties,
but anywhere Chris Paul goes, they win a lot of
games instantly.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I like him this year.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, all right, we do it every Monday. Colin Wright,
Colin wrong, plenty of both, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Joe l Embiid played only eleven minutes for Team USA
and he looked like he was getting in the way.
Steve Kerr pulled him early. I said it last week
and I'll say it again. Anthony Davis at this point
is the better player. He's better defensively, he doesn't get
in the way of the offense. He can also be complementary.
The USA was outscored by Serbia by twenty points when
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Joe l Embiid was on the floor. That's not great.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I said maybe they should consider not playing Kevin Durant
because of his injuries. Yeah, I was wrong. He was
eight for eight in the first half and five for
five on threes. Has there ever been a player in
our lives that was a more automatic bucket if you
get the ball to him, even late in the shot clock.
He was so important in the first half as they
were really trying to find their way offensively. They finally
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did in the second quarter, but I thought they should
consider not playing him, not risking injury, and he was
vital in that first half.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I said, Jordan Love was going to sign a contract
and it was going to be big, and I would
be okay with it. And Green Bay checks all those boxes.
Since Brett farbarrived thirty two years ago in Wisconsin, this
is the number one offense in the league, and arguably
they do a better job of developing offensive lines. They
also higher offensive coaches. I trust the Packers with quarterbacks.
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Jordan Love last year, in his final ten games was
not granually better than Aaron Rodgers ten in Green Bay
was significantly better. I think the kid can sling it.
I think he's great at the podium. I think he's mature.
He checks every box for me. Where Colin was raw,
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I would not have signed the TUA contract. He's small,
not overly athletic, can struggle to throw the ball deep
in colder, windy weather. And there's the injury thing again.
I like him. He's got a dat quality where he's
a grown up, he's mature. But this is a lot
of money and I feel like I'd be crossing my
fingers based on his injury history. But Miami, like a
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lot of NFL teams, is winning with him. They're somewhat trapped,
and so he got the bag.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I've said for years I like Jason Tatum, but y'all
got him as a top three or four player in
the league, and I'm like, it's ten, eleven, twelve for me.
Around other alphas, he kind of sometimes disappears. I think
Brad Stevens got Marcus Smart out of Boston because he
was taken up late game shots by Tatum, And yesterday
Steve Kerr had to apologize for not playing Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Jason's gonna play. Every game is going to be different
based on matchups. He's a total pro. He's you know,
first team All NBA three years in a row. I
felt like an idiot not playing him. But in a
forty minute game, you can't play more than ten, you
really can't, and you know, so I just I think
he's He's an amazing guy, great player and handled it
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beautifully and you know he'll be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Back out their next game. Where Colin was right, Nikola
Jokic should have been the MVP three years in a row.
There are very few players in league history that make
every teammate better. He's got a trophy, he won't end
with one, and he's never had a player who's an
All Star. Jamal Murray's never been an All Star. Gordon
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never been an All Star. Michael Porter never been an
All Star. Serbia was even against the United States when
he was on the floor. They were minus twenty six
when he wasn't. So it's just I gotta tell you.
He may not be pretty to watch, but in terms
of creating shots, elevating teammates, handling the ball, and passing perimeter,
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scoring butt to the basket, there's nothing like him in
the world.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Wemby may become him next year, but right now he
feels like one of one in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Seventy eight percent of Dallas Cowboy fans in a survey
last week from The Athletic said they don't think the
Cowboys are a playoff team in the next five years.
That is a staggeringly high number for any fan base
in America, especially arguably the biggest fan base in America.
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America that can sometimes get diluted. That's how fans are.
But instead of doubling down on optimism. Cowboy fans said, yeah,
we don't like it either. Jerry's driving us nuts. We
don't have enough good players. And I was actually shot
seventy eight percent of fans eight out of ten. I've
never seen anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Don Staley, former Team USA coach at the Olympics, said,
what everybody kind of knows that if they re selected
the Olympic team, they would have to strongly consider Caitlin Clark.
Number one, she's really good and feels like she's good
enough to play there. Number two, she was part of
the WNBA All Star team that beat the Olympians. And
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number three, she wouldn't be a distraction. She would elevate
the TV ratings, which could help all the players potentially
get more attention and more endorsements. Don Staley, tip of
the cap to you for admitting a real harsh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Truth where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
How about this, Cowboys signed two UFL receivers spring football.
We've been on this for a couple of years once
the two leagues merged, the Fox League and the NBC League.
When you watch these games, there are NFL players out there,
especially at skill positions safety, corner, linebacker, wide receiver, tight end,
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running back. I don't see a ton of linemen on
the defensive front who would play. But the Cowboys going
and snagging two UFL receivers from the spring League, and
we said all all year, if you'll watch the games,
there are a lot of NFL players in this league.
Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
So Mike Krzyzewski was at Duke for forty two years,
five national championships, three time Olympic gold medal winner, as
team's USA's head coach, the greatest college basketball coach along
with John Wooden of all time. He's joining US live,
so you know, Mike was interesting. Even though you often
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had some of the same stars, it does feel like
every Olympic experience, even if you have Lebron on two teams,
feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations,
different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic
experience and to your last and the different challenges you
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sometimes face. Even though you have a wonderful roster.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Well, the main challenge you have to face is the
fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know,
it's still called basketball, but it's FEBA basketball, the Federation
of International Associate of Basketball and a different ball, two
more panels administered just a little bit differently with referees,
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and so you are the team that's suggesting the international
teams that's how they play. So there's a period of
adjustment that needs to be made. And the fact that
one of the main things is a lot of the
teams that you play against, they have the same core
people over and over. Like the two top teams that
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we played against during my time were Spain and Argentina
by far and same guys. It was like a brotherhood
for them, and now it was I mean the Gasols
played forever Genobley skull on, all these guys for Argentina.
And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he
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took over USA basketball in two thousand and five was
to create some level of continuity. So I became the
first national coach. That means you had a four year run,
just like Steve Kerr has a four year run. And
that created continuity and then could you get some of
the same players. So in eight with the Redeemed team,
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five of those players ended up being on the London team.
In twelve and five players from our World championship team
in istan Bul also came. So I had ten players
who understood FOBA, understood feba, and that helps, and that's
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what's helping Steve Kerr. Right now, you have Kevin durant
Is going for his fourth gold medal Lebron going for
his third. You have Guys Curry. A lot of people
say he's going for his first goal, but he has
two goals. He won the World Championship in ten and
in fourteen, so he understands FOBA and so does Anthony Davis.
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The veterans on that team, and a couple of the
guys who played for coach Popovich for pop In winning
in Tokyo are on the team. So there's some level
of familiar familiarity Colin and that is really very very important.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So I think it's difficult. It's only forty minutes long.
Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologized for
not getting Jason Tatum in. But sometimes it's matchups. Sometimes
I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well,
right now Derek White and Drew Holliday work in this rotation.
Is did you find when you were coaching you wouldn't
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do this at Duke, but you were looking down the
bench thinking I got this great all star. I got
to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes
like that?
Speaker 7 (11:36):
You know, I'll be honest with you, I did not
that when we met as a team and developed standards
of how we were going to live together, and we
were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win
the goal. And really the only question that will be
asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics
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only twenty four They're going to ask did you win.
They're not going to ask how much you played, how
much you scored? Did you win? And so I asked
each of the guys to give me their word, to
pledge that they would do anything that they that was needed,
less minutes, more minutes not playing playing to win the
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gold medal. And they all did. And we tried to
come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and
maybe ten and who started and to give some level
of continuity, and then a key thing in the real
close games was to have a closing unit in the
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last six minutes or so that we're accustomed to playing
with one another that would be somewhat different from the starters. Yeah,
and I tried to use that throughout, and I never
really I didn't work worry about the playing time of
players because they shouldn't be worried about it. Yeah, they
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should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning.
And I think this team has that mentality. And I
can tell you that the five team side coach, all
those guys were terrific in handling that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So international you can't worry.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
About You cannot worry about playing time, be worried about
defending the three and not committing too many team files
that give them free throws. And if we do those
two things, then we're going to win.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
International basketball has exploded. I can remember twenty five years
ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh,
they're soft, Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting
and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block
shots in the NBA with his elbow. Do you remember
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I mean it's insane. He doesn't look like any player
I've seen, even a chet Home grew and who was
terrific at Gonzaga, and okay, see doesn't really compare. Do
you remember the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean,
what have you? What do you make when you watch him?
What was the first time you heard about Wemby?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen
him yet. And then in seeing him for the first
time and where he's like maybe four or five inches
taller than go back, I said, oh my god. And
then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and
going behind his back. I said, all right, this is uh,
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there's nobody like this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And but you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA
players are international players, and that's only going to increase
because the international players are are taught differently. They're not
in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much
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they can practice, how much they can play, so in
some respects there they have a greater continuity of being coached,
and we need to change that in our country. In
men's college basketball and not having twenty hours a week
only of practice or four hours a week during the summer.
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It's outdated, it's ridiculous, and we need to have shot
clocks in every state. We need to play the game
the same way. In our country it's played in so
many different ways, whereas in the other countries, if you're
in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're
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an adult, you play the game the same way and
you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So a couple non Olympic things to discuss. I like
JJ Reddick. I think he's smart. I think he's why
I love him. He's curious, he's feisty, he's competitive, all
the things that make a great coach. Some have said
he can be a little arrogant. He can be, but
some of the great players and coaches have that there's
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a line between that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that,
when you hear the criticisms that he's a little air again,
you know, what do you make of that? Because I
always thought he was super confident, But I kind of
think that's his that's his DNA, that's his edge. What
do you make of those criticisms?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him because
you know, we're dominated by social media, so who is
making the criticism? You know where? You know opinions are good,
But where's the opinion coming from?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Right, you know?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
And what's the source? For mej JJ is amazingly competitive
and is prepared as well as any player that I
coached at Duke. He's small, he's confident, and he understands
the game, and having fifteen years of being a pro,
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he has empathy for the guy trying to make it.
When he's trying to make it, he makes it and
for the veteran who is still trying to trying to
make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA,
but he was certainly a superstar in the National Player
of the Year when he played in college, So I
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think he has empathy for what a roster would look like.
He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants
to be a coach, and I think he surrounded himself
up to now. I don't know his entire staff with
some veteran coaches, which will that will help him, But
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I love him. I think he's terrific, and I think
he can relate to his players at the best level.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You've had such a great opportunity and have a relationship
with Lebron James and I've said he reminds me a
bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an adult. Tom
and him have such deep respect for the game itself,
for the academic scholastic side, for the training side. I
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want you to go back because you've had a relationship
with Lebron forever, and much like Wemby, we don't get
to see practice stuff. You got to see practice stuff
with Lebron. Take me to a moment, maybe it was Olympics,
maybe it was high school, when you recruit all these
guys from Zion to Lebron, the Christian Latner, who I
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thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've
ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of Lebron
and did you not only see athleticism, but just a
different mindset. He was twenty going on forty. Did you
notice it immediately?
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart
he was. You know, you're a little bit shocked at
the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that's there. And
then you add intelligence, then you add a command voice,
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then you add leadership and then you add something that
a lot of people don't have, and that's the will
to prepare to win. Everyone wants to win, not everyone
will pay the price every day every year to be
at their best before practice. I mean, he has the
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same guy helping him for two decades. You know, he
stretches for over a half hour, and he preps his body.
And while he's prepping his body's prepping his mind. And
he's just so damn prepared.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
He and Kobe were the two guys I thought, we're
just above everyone in preparation, physical, mental, you name it.
And when they were on the court at a practice
or in a game, they wanted to be the best
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all the time, all the time, and they paid the
price for it. And you know, we for anyone who
knocks Lebron in any way, they're just crazy. Like you know,
we're not going to see anybody like him. He's one
of a kind. Just what he's doing in the Olympics,
his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. I mean, he helps
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his team by how he looks, not just how he plays.
I want to play with a guy who looks like
like because there's hardly anybody who looks like that I
mean facially, yeah, not just body wise, is the face
of a champion. This guy has that face of a champion.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Finally, I know, wel don't want to build up Cooper
Flagg too much, but I did watch him and he's
a really he's a really interesting player.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously
he was very good, very early, and he's going to
be the number one, two or three pick and who
knows NBA. But if i'd never seen him play, I
want you forty two years at Duke, I've never seen
him play, and you tell me about what would I
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expect going to see Cooper? What does he do in
your labyrinth of experience? What does he do that is unique?
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well, it's something that a lot of players are not
doing right now. And he loves to not only play,
he loves to compete. I'm talking about love, you know,
like he you know, he doesn't care who's watching he's playing.
He loves the game. And that's that's not found as
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much like he plays the game because he loves it,
and he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless and he competes
like crazy. He's got a I don't know if I
haven't coached him, but watching him, he seems to me
has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that
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takes him to a whole another level. Like he he's
totally immersed in playing. And then he's extremely talented. He's
not just talent, he's extremely talented, but he has all
those intangibles that I've just said, And so if you
put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have
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a very special basketball player. And this this kid, hopefully
he stays healthy and continues to maintain that in this
world of now social media, and you know, I think
people can get to a player can get too caught
up and all that and and what other people think
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of them. Forget it. Forget it's what who what you
think of you, what your coaches think of you, and
just be stay in that lane and keep that passion.
And this kid's going to be very very special.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know, I was finally I was thinking about this.
I've called her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what
I call Caitlyn Clark is that I knew she was
talented years ago, and then all of a sudden, Taylor
Swift does the eras to her and you can't get ticket.
She sells out Sofi Stadium seven seven nights in a row.
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Everybody in LA went to it. And I watched Caitlin
Clark a couple of years ago and I'm like, oh,
she's fun to watch it. And it is a it
is a tsudonomy of basketball. Were even you taken back?
First of all, she's very good, But were you taken
back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I
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it's got a Taylor Swiftfield coach. It's like taking over
the country.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Well it does, and I think also it's the moment
to take it over, you know, women's basketball. It's terrific,
and uh, it's continued to progress and all of a
sudden now it seems this opening for her and it's
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like it meshes and you know, Uh, the cool thing
one of the cool things about her, uh is that
she was at I Well for a career, so she
became like a cult hero there. So she was it
was like an off Broadway thing, you know, where she
was accustomed to the crowds and whatever. And she she
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handles it so well. And she had like about a
ten game adjustment in the w NBA and now she's
going crazy there. Also, you know what she is, She's
genuine and I think her knowledge, her feel for the game.
I think the best thing she does is pass.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, yes, great passer.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
She's an amazing passer, and she sees things. And everyone
talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously she
does that really well, but she makes teammates better. And
putting her on a w NBA team where you have
you know, adults, you have you have old players and
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really talented players, you're going to see her talents even
even more. And I think you're continuing to see it
and she's going to be one of our great American players.
I know some people are angry about her not being
on the Olympic team, and the timing wasn't right yet,
you know, but certainly she'll belong there. And it's kind
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of like in two thousand and eight, Kevin Durant was
on our select team and he almost we almost picked
him for the Redeemed team. And then he was on
the World Championship in twenty ten and let us since
he averaged thirty three points a game in the medal
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round and then he took off. I think that trajectory
will be there for Caitlin. I really admire how she's
handled everything and she won over the people competing against her.
They see that she's tough, she can handle it. But
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I love her passing. I think passing has become a
little bit of a lost art with all the ball
handling drills and whatever, and she sees things that most
players do not see.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Forty two years, five championships, three time Olympic gold medal
winning coach, the Great Mike Krzyzewski. You look great by
the way you're obviously you're you're doing something right. You're
happy and joyful because you look fantastic. You don't have
to be on the recruiting trail. Twenty four to seven
of that you probably sleep now occasionally, right.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
That helps the recruiting trail, It's not the one I
want to be on the one. Now I'm really lucky
I do. I'm consult for the NBA. Now, I speak
a lot. I still work at Duke coming my conference
conference from and I got ten grand kids with within
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ten minutes of me, so I'm busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow, that's a good life, great scenior coach, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, good being on.
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Speaker 1 (28:48):
All right now, the real football talk stars live in LA.
It's The Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for Megana's part of your day. Jamac
You and I like to occasionally throw a few dimes
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down on football. We like to bet, and I think
we both You bet more college basketball than I do.
I think I bet more college football than you do.
And we both bet the NFL. Neither one of us
bets baseball. I do not have baseball, but we love
our NFL bets.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Well, you know, you do get a little skittish giving
out all these bets on air because then people follow us,
and you know, you feel great when it hits. But
we got to remember, like fifty eight percent is good
in NFL games.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Accept this, We'll go ten for ten. You should take
these as the Bible. Ten for ten.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Okay, Colbert's got.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It all right. It's our version of over under. So
they're called future bets. Vegas DraftKings the big company say hey,
here's a number, like, for instance, nine and a half,
and DraftKings is you have to pick. Do you think
your team will win over that number or under that number?
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So it's over unders. It's one of my favorite things
about I love betting these. They're really fun in college
football where you've got three hundred or one hundred and
thirty teams to pick from, but we got thirty two,
so you ready to go? Yeah? Yeah, all right? My
first over the Texans over nine and a half. Listen,
it's a good roster, and I just got better Stefan Diggs,
Joe Mixon, Daniil Hunter. Those are really nice players. I
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just can't see this team in this division going eight
to nine and nine and eight. I think they have
a rising star in coaching is CJ. Stroud going to
get better? Well, didn't Joe Burrow get better in his
second third year? Like he'll be better even if it's
granually better. Again. I just like everything except ownership with
this team. I think three straight years they've gotten everything
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right in personnel, where New England three straight years has
gotten everything wrong. It may only be a ten seven team,
but I just don't see it as a five hundred team.
I think they're too talented and have too much good leadership.
From GM to coach to quarterback coordinator. Those guys are
all a's. They're just gonna outsmart their way to at
least ten wins. That's my first Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, I didn't know we were doing it Like this
producer's let me know.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
My first over is Texans over nine and a half
as well, So I don't know if that's good or
bad to start, But Colin, they won ten games last
year and Stroud missed.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Two because he got knocked out of the Jets game.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Okay, like, how are they nine and a half? I
don't understand what I'm missing here. Is everybody gonna betting
the Texans and maybe there's.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Some regression coming. I think the division is better. Anthony
Richardson should play fer.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Mentally that I don't know if he's good.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like we don't think the Titans are that much better Jacks,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I have this.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
The Texans are favored in their first six games, so
they have some newness.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Five new starters on defense.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
So when you're working out the kinks early, it's against
teams you should be. Now, they'll need that because the
back half of the schedule is tough, and I think
they're fine to get over ten.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think they're a ten to eleven win team. I mean, Diggs,
Nico Collins, take Dell is a great team man.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right, here's my first under Titans under six and
a half. There is evidence in the last eight starts
with Mike Rabel will Levis is not an NFL starter.
Fifty seven percent completion percentage, seventy seven passer rating. Now,
I didn't have much to work with, but Rabel's a
good coach. The division I think is going to be better.
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I think Houston, Jacksonville and the Colts will be better.
I liked all three of their drafts, so I look
at their schedule. They open at Chicago and then with
Aaron Rodgers, and they open the Jets will have just
lost to the Niners, so their home opener looks like
an L, and their opener looks like an L. And
once Will Levis is zero and two, the Wolves are out.
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I'll take Tennessee under six and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Okay, my first under is, uh, let's see the New
England Patriots under four and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
That's my favorite under so Colin.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
They're underdogs in every game on the schedule, and if
you look at the lines, it's not even like one
or two. The majority of their games they're over an
underdog field goal by a field goal, meaning like the
market doesn't trust these guys at all.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
New quarterback, new OC, new head coach.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
We're already seeing defensive injuries to bar Moore, issue with Judahon.
I don't like the Patriots at all. This could be
two or three win team. My next over Denver five
and a half. I've said this over and over. First
of all, they got rid of Jerry Judy and Russell Wilson.
I'll argue the locker room will be better. Secondly, the
offense wasn't the issue. They drafted another receiver, Mims ends
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up being very good. They won eight games last year.
I do not think their roster is as bad as
everybody says. PFF has a top ten offensive line.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Bow Nicks is accurate, smart and coachable. He'll move the chains.
I don't think he'll pop, but he'll move the chains.
And again, the Raiders could be the worst team in
the league. I just can not see this team going
five and twelve. I can see him going seven and ten.
I can see them not going five hundred. But the
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bar is so low five and a half. The defense,
by the way, they paid attention to that as much
as they could in the draft. I think they're a
seven eight win team.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I'll go Panthers over five and a half wins.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Now, this was four and a half and it was
bet up to five and a half Collins, So somebody
out there really loves Carolina. How about this stat? Last
year they went two and fifteen. They did not lead
in the fourth quarter at all. Last season, both wins
were on the final play of the game. This is
a team that nobody wants to touch. And you know
how we feel sometimes when absolutely nobody wants any part
of a team, Give it to me. Easy schedule. I
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like Dave Canalis to help Bryce Young get better. I
like the Panthers over five and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs under eleven and a half
with Harbaugh in the division with Herbert, you're gonna lose
one of those games. They lost Legerius Snead, their top
corner Harrison, Butker comments Rashi Rice Legal troubles. This is
still a wide receiver corps that I would never trust.
This was a bad team in the middle of the
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season ten to week fourteen. Again, they'll be fine eventually,
but they're aging at key spots. Like Travis Kelce the
divisions better. I see him as an eleven and sixteen,
ten and seven, but I do not see them as
a top of the AFC twelve or thirteen win teams.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Spicy, I will go under nine and a half on
the Miami Dolphins. Just too much newness on the defense
and Colin I love to look at schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Who's gonna bet over unders.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
The final six games of the season for the Dolphins
are tougher than anyone else in the league. Has three
cold weather games and the other ones are just brutal opponents.
So if they're not at like seven wins heading into December.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Just forget about it. So I like the Dolphins going
under nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
My next over Minnesota over six and a half. They
won seven games last year with four different quarterbacks. They
have too much talent on offense, and this is a division.
Lions and Packers are not great defensive teams. Bears could
be good, but they're gonna face if you look at
their schedule, some average defenses. Under Kevin O'Connell the head coach,
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the tall Sean McVay, they have the number three passing offense,
and they've done this with a lot of different guys.
Darnald won't be spectacular, but he'll move the chains. Left tackle,
running back, O line, receiver, tight end, head coach way
above average. The NFC does not have a lot of stifling,
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dominant defenses. I'm taking this team to be around five
hundred seven eight nine wins over six and a half.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I don't have much to add Outlet's just say one
name that jumps out. Their running back situation last year
was just horrendous. They couldn't do anything. I think O'Connell
upgraded that. I like the weapons I'm with you. Vikings
over six and a half.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Okay, so we both agree with the Viking. Yeah, under
Raiders under six and a half a mess at quarterback.
They're the only team in the league that doesn't have
their next quarterback. Aiden O'Connell can't move. He's a hacket guy.
Antonio Pierce got the job because in interim position, the
team played really hard, but the defense could regress. They're
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incredibly dependent on Max Crosby, who's amazing, but they need help.
I just don't think it's a very good football team.
I think as harbought. I mean, look at the division.
Andy Reid twice, Sean Payton twice, Jim Harbaugh twice, Antonio
Pierce never been a head coach. I think they're a
five or a six win team. I'll take the under
six and a half Raiders.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I got under as well.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I wonder is Crosby and DeVante Adams on this team
in December or that they get shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's his team's awful.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
This team has no identity, like I don't even know
who the face of the team is.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They're just not good. I think the Raiders are a disaster.
I'm with you under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Wow, we agree in both. My next over Falcons over
nine and a half. Part of this is the division's
a mess. I like Atlanta Kirk Cousins a massive upgrade
over Desmond Ritterer and Taylor Heineke the old lines top
six according to PFF, and they've got really nice pieces
they couldn't use like Bjeon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pips.
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Just can't get the ball the last couple years to
those guys. Now those guys are gonna explode. I think
this is potentially a big over, getting close to the
over by Thanksgiving. I think this team could win twelve games.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I will go Eagles over as my next and that's
my best bet for an over. Philadelphia Eagles over ten
and a half. Division vary Sus. I think, like you said,
the Cowboys fading.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I think this could be sneaky, the best offense in
the NFC.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I know we like Lions and Packers and Rams, but
I'm just this Saquon Barkley edition. We could be under
selling at Colin. I love the Eagles over ten and
a half.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Okay, this isn't a strong play, but I'll take Cowboys
under ten and a half. I think they're about a
ten to seven team, incredibly reliant on CD Lamb. I
like Tony Palmer gone. I like Michael Gallup gone, I
like Tyron Smith gone. No free agent acquisitions. Don't think
they have any impact players from the draft. They didn't.
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They're getting old. They're still rebuilding the offensive line. Dak
when he throws forty or more times, has a losing record.
This team has one of the weaker running back rooms.
I think Dallas is okay, but I do not see
them as an eleven win team. At best ten or nine.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'll go Pittsburgh Steelers. We never finished under five hundred.
Give me the under eight and a half for Mike Tomlin.
I'm sorry Pittsburgh fans. Hey man, I'm back to you guys.
Last year, can you pick att disappointed me. I don't
love anything about this offense this year. I think they're
an under eight and a half win team.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
All right. One of my stronger overs rams over eight
and a half. Sean McVay has won nine plus games
in six of the seven seasons. Puka Nakua now gives
them a great receiving corps. They bolstered their defense at
corner with Tredevius White, Darius Williams, Blake Korham. Now they've
got a star running back. This team defensively in their
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front is young but really really talented. McVeigh may be
the second best coach in the league. Stafford on any
Sunday is as good as Eddie quarterback in the league.
I'm sorry over eight and a half, this is an
easy one. I see them as a ten to eleven
win team.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I feel the same way about that New York Jets
over nine and a half smash that I mean, hammer it.
They're winning the division, Rogers, healthy offensive line, incredible defense,
elite colin.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
My second best over bet on the board Jets over
nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Finally my under It'll be close. Don't feel really strongly
like I said about the Cowboys, but Niners under eleven
and a half. They've become incredibly dependent Christian McCaffrey. They've
had a very noisy off season. By the way, Kyle
Shanahan has been held under eleven wins in four of
the seven seasons. He's got a losing record without Christian McCaffrey.
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Like I love Kyle Shanahan, but they're very much about
Christian and I think he's had a lot of carries
the last several years. So I think this is a
good team. I would not be shocked if they made
a move at the trade deadline. I think there are
certain limitations bad other games for brock Purty. We saw
that when it was a little rainy in Cleveland. I
think they're a good football team. Ten or eleven. I
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do not see over eleven and a half, So I'll
take the Niners under eleven and a half.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I have the Niners winning the Super Bowl, but also
under eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's nothing about it. I don't think the team got worse.
I'm kind of weak to try. It's just this is
a marathon, not a sprint. Like we were close last year.
We're gonna make it again.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And if you look at the schedule, it is difficult
with the arrest differential. Whereas they're playing on like a
Monday night, then they got to play Sunday again.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
The league really screwed them schedule wise.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Warren Sharp has dug into this and got the numbers,
but so I'll go under on the Niners.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Now, Warren's right about that. When you start getting to
week twelve, thirteen, fourteen, if you don't rest enough, it's
an issue. So there are the Herds favorite NFL futures.
We agree on Texans. We agree on the Texans. We
agree on the under with the Niners Vikings over Yep,
we agree. So we've got some agreements there. These are five.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You don't have Patriots. Interesting that was.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I strongly consider the Patriots. I mean, it came down
to the Patriots or the Cowboys. But I just think
to myself, God, can't you win five games? It's hard
to be four and thirteen. I mean, you have to
be atrocious everywhere.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Just a new coach, new quarterback, new offensive coordinator, brutal schedule.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
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Speaker 1 (42:24):
Well you know him from twelve NFL seasons, three rings,
Brady's go to guy the latter stages of his career,
one of the great all time receivers. In the postseason,
He's also going to podcast games with names, which I
had the pleasure to be on. Very very good, hard
probing questions by Julian Element, very impressive conversational. Yes, so
NFL kickoff rules. My thing was okay, the intense good.
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It's kind of weird looking, but you're trying to guys
like you not get hurt. I want my players to
play longer. It's weird, but it is more football. I mean,
what you make of it.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
I think it's exciting and guys like me don't want
to get hurt. But guys like me also made the
team because of special teams, and it's an opportunity for
eight hundred more plays or so they keep on saying,
for guys that are bouncing around the league, guys that
are special teams, guys to have an opportunity to stay
on a team. It gives guys value. You know, it's exciting.
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I was watching this all last night just to see
what the special teams coordinators scheme is gonna be. How
are they gonna adjust to this. I mean, it's gonna
be real exciting. When you see a guy like Cordell
Patterson back there, who has a twenty yard cushion and
he only has to break one wave. Yeah, you know,
the original, the old school kickoff, there's usually three waves
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of guys that you have to hit, and you have
a track. You see how they're trying to run that track. Yea,
you know here, you run the track and you break
through that one gap and you're you're gone. You know
it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun play. It's
gonna bring more points.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I watched every kickoff, we all watched it. I was
glued to.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It, and I thought, I thought it was good. I mean,
there wasn't. The tackles are still going to be pretty
tough because those guys are flying. Now. Usually you got
a really good Matthew Slater type guy that's running down
the field on special teams. That cushion's only six seven
eight yards because he's a burner. These guys are having
thirty yard cushions, which means you're not getting in to
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that wave of guys and you know you're getting full
speed ahead. So it's gonna be an exciting, fun.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Play, all right. So the NFL said, Dolphins rams Niners,
knock it off. You found a loophole in the rules
in regards to motion, and Dolphins did it week one,
and then McVeigh and shannan saw it newsed at the
rest of the season. So I want to talk about this.
I've said, when it comes to my football coach or
my accountant, push the envelope, look for loopholes as long
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as it's legal. Belichick did this, did he not. We
did zoom and zap's jet motions all the time. And
what it does is it creates confusion for the defense
at a lightning fast speed. So say it's a run
play and you got Deebo Samuel jetting across the field.
The outside landbacker has to pay attention to this guy
for a half a second. That half a second makes
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that tackle be able to get up to him the
second level.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
And then he goes for a pass play you get
a Tyreek Hill who you know, he's motioning to the outside.
He's creating a natural separation instantly, and then once he
gets speed and he can get going, you know, it's
tough for a defender to catch up to that. So,
I mean, this has been going on for years. We
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used to do this all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Know, substitute tackles or.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Hey, if it's in the rules, like you said the accountant,
you gotta get in there.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah. I was a little surprised, maybe not a lot,
but that Caleb didn't play. I mean Tom actually debuted
Brady in a Hall of Fame game. Mahomes plays preseason? Uh,
what did you make not playing Caleb at all?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Oh, I want to see Caleb play in the preseason.
I don't necessarily care they didn't play in this game
for the simple fact that I've heard through the grapevine
for years now that the plane surface and everything at
the Canton Hall of Fame Stadium is absolutely atrocious. So
you know I don't care about that. I do you know,
as a player, I loved getting a preseason game, a
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preseason rep because it gives you an opportunity to work
out your game day operation. What time do I get
to the facility? I need two hours to get my
warm up in, I need an hour to get an IVY.
I need to go go over my game plan for
thirty minutes. It gives you that game day operation, so
once you hit a real game, you know what you
have to do to get going to get yourself mentally, physically,
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emotionally set for the game. So I'm sure he'll get
some reps they have an extra game in preseason. I
don't mind that he didn't play in the Hall of
Fame game because of the surface.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
If it was a one o'clock game in Foxboro, do
you show up at eight thirty five or something like that,
eight forty ish, eight forty five.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
Uh one. I usually like to get there about four
and a half hours before.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, so you're.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
We'd have one meeting in the morning at our team hotel,
and I go directly back to just the stadium.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So I was saying this. If you would have said
when Drake, when Brock Purdy was the last guy drafted,
if you would have said, you know what, they're going
to bail on the number three pick, They're going to
go with Brock Purdy, you could have said, hot take.
So I'm like, be careful. Joe Milton his last year
and a half in the SEC thirty touchdown passes, five picks,
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sixty five percent completions, seven rushing touchdowns, Jacoby Brissett sixty
quarterbacks play. If Bresset twists and ankle, Milton is a
physically superior to Drake. May I said, I wouldn't be
shocked if he got snaps all season. What do you
make about the reports that Drake is really struggling, and
what do you make of their quarterback situation?
Speaker 6 (47:56):
We would you say, right there, physically, he's a specimens,
a specimen. But he did play at Michigan and then
had to transfer right to Tennessee, so transferred. So yeah,
but rock Purdy didn't. He played four years and what
was his what was his strength? It was being a
cerebral player, so he could execute. He can operate, I mean,
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which that immediately translates to the league. If you can
do that, now you know a guy that can throw
ninety yards. He looks the part and everything. I mean,
that's that's all great until you have live bullets coming
down your face. And also in New England, I don't
know how it is now, but I'm sure Mayo has
adopted a lot of the same scheduling things with practice.
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You know, you have ninety guys on the team right now,
so your first stringer is getting most of the reps.
Second stringer, depending on situation. I'm sure Drake may is
getting more reps than a regular second teamer. And then
you have the third stringers, which there's usually a designated
period called the basic period for the third stringers, the
guys that are trying to make the team, the guys
that need to be evaluated. Uh, and they play against
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each other. They've seen the play three times. They saw
the ones run the same play against the same look.
They saw the twos run the play against the same look.
Then they have an opportunity to go out there to
show the coaches, hey, I can digest what we brought
from the meeting room and bring it to the grass.
So that's where this is right now, until live bullets
are going and you have a six foot six Julius
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Peppers type coming right down your face and you got
to make a throw, you know this is this is
still sunshines and rainbows.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, it was funny. I I you guys were very
good at it in New England, Brady and Belichick, who
will spent a lot of time at the podium. Gronk
was a little goofy and then he tightened up pretty quick.
So Patriots didn't send guys to the podium that could
get in trouble. But it is interesting solo when when
Aaron Rodgers was in Egypt said it was an excuse,
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And my take is keep it to yourself. You know,
I don't need to know that. Yeah, Aaron comes out
this week and says, yeah, nobody told me. We didn't communicate.
I wouldn't go there. I did think it felt like
a little shot at Aaron, little shot at the coach.
I could be overreacting. Maybe I'm so used to Brady
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Belichick where you gave up nothing, But I can't see
Stafford and McVeigh taking shots at each other. I didn't
like it.
Speaker 6 (50:22):
Yeah, you did you You know I kind of saw that too.
Speaker 7 (50:27):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
I'm still not a fan of of missing a mini camp.
I didn't like that. I have nothing but the most
ut respect for Aaron Rodgers and his ability to play
the game. But we're we're all. We all make a
lot of good money here, you know, when we're playing football,
and if you can't reschedule something four days later, who's
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made a like I don't understand the logic behind that. Yeah,
and it's only making us talk about this right now.
And they haven't even had a snap during the year.
He hasn't even played a meaningful snap in two years,
and we're talking about all this, So you know, all
this is doing is create more and more distractions, which
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that city, New York. They love that page six. I'm
sure they're all. I mean, you're a New York guy, right, this.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Is four functioning newspapers are five.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
So it's it's you know, it's just making the situation
more difficult if things go bad.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Do you know at this point? So college camp's open today,
I think most of them. NFL camps have been going
for about a week or so. Plus you have OTAs.
How long before you Julian looked at the rookies and said, oh,
that guy can help us. I mean, mostly have eight
new guys, and there's there'll be a couple free agents,
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some low end, some high end. But when you start
integrating guys into your camp, do you have a sense,
like a weekend, Oh, this guy can't pick it up,
this guy can certain positions.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
I could see a receiver right away at OTAs if
he was going to help us. Really yeah. I remember
watching Jacobe Myers, and I remember he was an undrafted guy,
former quarterback, and I saw the way he released the ball,
how strong his hands were, how he was he never
made the same mistake twice and like early and when
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I saw that, and he was able to create separation,
and he still didn't really know how to run routes.
Like you can see something right away, you get to
really see it when the pads come on. So you know,
the first day of pads, everyone's a little hopped up.
Everyone's all you know, this is war day and war
daddies are everywhere.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
That's when you really get to see if if you
have a you know, an offseason training camp all American,
or you have a guy that's ready for you know,
real football. So it's pretty early on offensive lineman. I was,
you know, you see that we were in a very
different situation where our coach would coach. Belichick would coach
(53:03):
everyone in front of everyone, so he would pull highlights
and low lights after each practice and address the whole
team in front of us. So I remember watching Rob
Ninkovich and he was like a long snapper for New
Orleans and we picked him up. And I remember watching
him on one on ones the first day of practice,
(53:24):
going against Matt Light, who was our Matt Light was
one of our best linemens three Super Bowls. I mean
he was stud technically sound, strong, and Rob Niinkovitch was
eating them up on one on ones the first day
we were there. Wow. And that that's when I was like,
I put him in my phone. Rob Ninkovich, White Athletic
guy because you know it was.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
One of those things.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
It's still that same thing, but you know that's that's
where you see it when you see it against a
guy with pads on, or you see it against high
level guy like a Matt Light against a new guy,
Rob Ninkovich, that's when you can start at the base.
All right, this guy could potentially help us. Now it
changes once you get in. You know, the speeds get
higher and higher. OTA's is fast because you've been training
(54:09):
and it's all whatever. Then you get to training camp,
it's a lot faster because you're throwing on pads. You
get to play against another opponent, you go to a
joint practice, those are even faster. You get to the
preseason game sometimes those are fast, but when you play
against someone else, they're faster. Then regular seasons a whole
nother ballgame because everyone studs, right, So it's just continually
(54:31):
get You get a look at a guy and then
you you kind of watch him. You tag them and
you say, I'm gonna watch him. I want to see
him three weeks later, because you know everyone's fired up.
Week day one of pads, Sure, the real dogs come out.
You know, the second week of pads. That's when you
see competitive stamina.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I want to say, so, what year did you break in?
Speaker 6 (54:53):
You broke in, broke into the NFL two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
What was who was the most impressive rookie in all
you Because this is a big deal. Now I'm watching
Rome with Dunze and Caleb. I can't wait your whole
career there. Who was a rookie and two practices in?
Now Nikovic had been in the league. Yeah, he'd been
in a rookie and you were like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (55:19):
Devin mccorty was pretty I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
He was going up against him, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 6 (55:24):
Going against each other.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
He was.
Speaker 6 (55:25):
He was pretty good. Like just he he he gave
professional vibes. He had a professional aura, the way he
was in the locker room, the way he talked, the
way he held himself, the way he was with his
family early on. Like he he was a guy that
you were just impressed with, Like he doesn't really look
like a rookie.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Or act like a rookie. Yeah that's something now, you know.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Like I said, Jacoby Myers, when I first saw him,
I saw his release game and and and he wasn't
even a receiver for a long time, and I was
really impressed with him. That's just those are the two
that stick out.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
No, I think stuff like that's fascinating to me because
I'll say stuff sometimes on the air, and I'll say
little stuff. People that do little stuff well generally do
big stuff even better because little stuff is annoying and
sometimes teds, but it leads to big stuff. That's absolutely so.
By the way, you're gonna do a pod with Bill
(56:22):
on your Games with Names. So you're doing John bod Jovi,
You're doing Bill, You're doing big stuff. You're going So
let me ask you. I think Bill's gonna make another
one at coaching. I think he's too smart to be
out of it. I said this when Sean Payton came
to Foxbury year. I'm like, I remember having dinner. I'm like,
you're too smart to be doing I'm doing. You gotta
go coach. Bill's too smart to be sitting on the sidelines.
(56:45):
I actually think it's an advantage Bill not coaching, getting
off the treadmill, bouncing around to college camps, you know, Son,
I like, I think it's what Bill needed. I think
sometimes it's it's I mean, you're on the treadmill. Yeah,
you don't even fall the news. You don't know what's
going on, your guest, Do you think Bill makes another
big run to try to get back, because I still
think he's one of he's the smartest defensive coach in
(57:06):
the history of football.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Yeah, I do. I do think Bill wants to get
back into coaching. And you know, I think this is
a great thing for him to have a year off
because he when we go into the off season, he'd
always talk about self scout. We got a self scout.
We got to know our strengths, we got to know
our weaknesses. Now, if he practices what he preaches in
(57:27):
his coaching career, then he's going to get better because
he's going to realize certain things that he probably would
have did differently, or this or that. You know so,
and it gives you a perspective when you get to
see be out for a year and see it because
I remember after I retired my first year, my first
year out, I'm sitting there like, man, I wish I
would have done this a little less, or I would
have done this a little more. I didn't train train
(57:48):
too hard this year. And you know he still has
you know some gas in the tank where he can
still go out and do things because he's a coach,
which is a great teacher, great teacher. So I do
believe he's going to be back in the league.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah. So you did look at your career and pick
it at it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, train too hard?
Speaker 6 (58:07):
Yeah, I mean my body broke down. And I was
a guy that never liked to get out of shape.
For you know, my first two three years, I was
like a regular. You know, all right, you get three
weeks off, but after that, you know, hanging around Brady,
you sit and you look the off seasons where you
evolve yourself. This is where you make your gains. This
is where you can do that. I just didn't do
(58:29):
it as smart as I possibly could. I would just
go full speed like a jet throttle, no throttle, ain't
no break.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Julian Edelman three super Bowl championships, one of the great
postseason receivers ever, Twelve years in the NFL, all with
New England.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's great, Senia, great seen you shout out to Lilybug
my little girl.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Lily Howard. Congratulations for coming to this amazing studio. It's
probably the most boring place you'll be the rest of
your life,
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