August 8, 2024 • 30 mins
QB expert Jordan Palmer joins the show to tell us what we can expect from the rookie QBs entering the NFL and Sam Darnold taking hold of the QB1 position in Minnesota
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, I'm excited for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
First of I'm gonna see some of these young quarterbacks,
and I'm also going to see an old friend, Sam
Darnold and Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I bumped into him name drop at the Christian McCaffrey
wedding and he looked great. He was in shape, cut up.
I was just like Sammy was put Greg Olsen was there,
Jonathan Stewart, uh Luke Keighley and uh, you know, just
one of the guys, very very well liked guy, the
bow Nicks, Michael Pennix. There are a lot of stuff
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this weekend. Jordan Palmer, founder a Quarterback Summit, by the way,
launching a new nutrition company, through Performance, designed for young athletes.
So maybe it's it's you know, it's the usc thing.
It's that I like him, It's that I think he
just didn't get a shot. It's like, Okay, now he's
got a left tackle and a really smart coach and
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two really good receivers and not a great defensive division.
Am I being irrational with Sam Donald? Or do you
see something potentially Jordan here? Nah?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Full disclosure here, I've been drinking Sam Donald kool aid
since I met him when he was fourteen. But there
are some some just truths here to what you're saying.
And I know you go way back with Sam too,
but I think with players like Sam and I'll put
him in the category of guys who are upper rachel
on talent. He's the third pick in the draft, not
because he got lucky, but because his talent justified that.
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I've been around him a long time, spent a lot
of time with him this offseason. Never seen him cut
a corner, never once, as he showed up late, left early,
got a bail, got some this weeken, I'm gonna go
to Vegas on my body. He's just ever cut a corner.
Great head on his shoulder, smart, great family, settled, just
mature players like that. I always tell them there will
be a time in a place where all you have
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to do is play to the best of your abilities,
not above it, and you'll be in every game with
a chance to make a run at the end, which
is honestly all you can ask for. I've been waiting
for this. I was hoping it was the Jets, and
it just wasn't. That was just an impossible situation to
have success, and I thought it might be Carolina. Then
he got a new coordinator, Ben mcinto. It just wasn't
that in Carolina. But this last season getting to sit
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Watchbrock Perdy play, soak up everything that Kyle Shanahan has.
One of the things about the San Francisco forty nine ers,
their best players on their team are also the most
bought end players on their team. Sam hadn't been around winners.
They weren't winning at SC like that. They didn't win
the Jets, they didn't win in Carolina. He got a
chance this last year to essentially red shirt and just
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be around a winning culture and now go and be
the starting quarterback in another winning culture that's on the ride.
And I'm bullish and I think Sam is set up
for a comeback Player of the Year type of season
and the personnel to play calling in the situation around him.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So M bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy both third on
the depth chart, But you just installing stuff. I don't
take much from it. The veteran guys like a Stidham,
he's just been around, he knows the offense, so I
don't take a ton from it. Bow Knicks is more
interesting because I do believe in the case of bow Knicks,
you don't have a Sam Darnold. There a guy that
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could really win ten twelve games. In my opinion, Bow's
got to cook it pretty quick. They got the Oregon
receiver Mims Courtland Sutton. I like their backs. Left tackles
good like Sean I and he does. He has an
offensive coach, Jordan. A lot of these young guys have
defensive coaches. These rookies, it's harder. I like bon Knicks.
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What's realistic for me on bow Knicks not much of
a defense. He's gonna have to win some high scoring games.
What's realistic to expect from him?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I think it depends on when bow Knicks enters
the game. I think Jarrett Stidham is one of the
most underrated quarterbacks in football right now if you think
about it. Very limited playing time Jarrett was in New England,
he backed up Tom and really as a fourth round
pick rookie, he was the two in New England. And
that was I think Brady's like fourteenth ye or something
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like that in the system with Josh McDaniels. And for
him to go from Gus Melzon's offfense to speaking fluent
New England Patriots elite level offense, that growth in that year,
just them trusting him to be the two said a
lot to me. And then when he did finally get
to play two seasons ago, at the end of the
year in Vegas, he torched Kansas City. I think he
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had over three hundred something yards all purpose, and then
he tourched San Francisco and played great in both of
those games. And so I know that that Sean McVay
does not sit here and go, we got some like
Bridge guy, and let's hurry up and get bow Nicks
out there. I don't think they need to rush bow
Knicks out there. I think Jared Sidam's going to play
a high level win number is called though. My expectations
for him are really high, partly because of how much
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football he's played in college. Right played more more starts
than anybody. But the second part of this is his context.
He has more experience of what it takes to play
be a franchise quarterback then say JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarty's
only won and every game he's been in they were
going to run the ball for three hundred yards and
they were favored, and basically every game bo Knicks played
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on some bad Auburn teams and was booed out of
the building and had pressure and people turning on him.
He has that experience, and then he has the experience
to lighten it up at Oregon for two years. So
I think bo Nicks, you know, married, just settled. He's
an adult stepping in when bo Nix's number is called.
My expectations are high because of yes, his talent and
his ability and the play caller, but his experience of
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what it actually takes to to seed in the league.
I think he's got as much as you can have
being a rookie and never actually having a start.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I think Washington the Commanders are my Houston Texans
from a year ago. We kind of roll our eyes.
What a mass not well run, not smartly owned. But
here's what I like It's like being part of a
great recruiting class in college. Jaden Daniels comes in. Everybody's
new owner, GM coach, coordinate draft class and it's like
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this new wave of guys and everybody's equal. There's no
executive in the corner room. That's you know, a little
tribal and he's got territory. Everybody's new. I think they're
going to be Houston. I think they're going to shock people.
What say you on Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I see all the same riding on the wall, and
I think when you're around this league, as long as
I've been around this league, it's great to have. You know,
you talk a lot about having an offensive head coach, right,
and I think that's that's hopeful, and that's that's that's beneficial.
He doesn't have that there, but you know, having great
skill positions is helpful. You want to sustain success in
the NFL, you need a great owner. This this league
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is about ownership and great decision making and they've got that.
These guys were there last year. They got to sit
watch learn and I think it starts with ownership. And
you could make a case that they have the thirty
second best owner two years ago. Yeah, and now they've got,
you know, somebody who's in the top group and they'll
prove that over time. But I totally agree everything's new.
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You don't have to, you know, have a conversation with
one person, but then make sure the other person didn't
hear it. It's a blank slate for everybody. And there's
no pressure that fan base isn't expecting a super Bowl
this year, and Jaden gets to come in kind of
quietly and just get better and learn how to play.
But it's specifically to Jaden's hit his skill set. It's
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the skill set that's set up for success early. Look,
a rookie quarterback is not going to come into the
league and just week one, see every pressure coming. Understand
every outlet, have every nuance of the game. What you
do need to do is you need to be mobile
enough to get out of a bad situation, which Jaden
is significantly more mobile than CJ. Strout, And then you've
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got to be able to take the shots and take
advantage of big plays when they present themselves.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
CJ.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Stroud did that last year at an A plus level,
and I think that's a big part of Jayden's game.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Too.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Those are great deep ball. He's mobile enough to get
out of a bad situation. And I think the intelligence
level how smart and his study habits that Jayden has
are commiserate with c J Stroud, which you know, just
prove you can't come into the league and play the
way that CJ did and play the way I think
Jaden's gonna play if you are not very, very intelligent
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with great study habits where you can retain this level
of information.
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Speaker 1 (08:43):
Jordan Palmer new company thread Performance, designed for young athletes
developing bodies. Finally, I think Caleb Williams is a very
good prospect. I do think you have to acknowledge at
times he was moody. You could see it in the sidelines.
He's a highly emotional player. It's not the end of
the world. It's just something I saw. I didn't see
that with Andrew Luck, but I did. There are times
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he's really emotional, good bad. I like passionate people. That's
not much of a criticism, but when you're the centerpiece
of a college offense and you go to the NFL
with a good, not great old line, you can get
humbled very quickly. Any concern anything I would see in
the first couple of weeks that would concern you was,
I mean, if you break these guys down, is there
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anything you're like that worries me a little bit? That
he can be a little erratic to me, little erratic
on accuracy. I don't think he's a ten out of
a ten prospect, but he's very good.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
What do you expect?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I am anticipating no hiccups for Keileb Williams. I think
he's going to light it up right away. I think
what I happened last year is he was forced to
play football with a bunch of college kids one more year.
I think he was ready last year, and I think
he might have been the number one pick last year.
And I think most people would agree that the number
one pick last year. It's like, you know, when somebody
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holds their kid back in eighth grade, right, there's statistics
and data that supports this. When you hold somebody back
and they just straight repeat eighth grade again, their their
attention goes down. They get in trouble, they kind of
act up a little bit more. It's because they're bored, yeah,
and they're not being pushed, and they've already heard this
before and they've already learned this information. And I think
that's what happened last year, where he got bored. And
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I'm not saying that they didn't go undefeated. He did
not win the national title. Right. I think he played
great last season with what was around him, but I
think another year of college football, the expectations were unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was national title in back to back Heismans, And
I think he's going to be pushed and he's not
going to come in It's not going to be easy.
And I think last year it was easy to sustain
the level of success that he did that got him
a Heisman and got him the number one pick. This
is not going to be easy. He's going to be
pushed every week to learn and grow. He's not going
to be able to make the same mistake twice. And
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if he does any stuff in the Chicago market, which
I've played in, if he does any stuff that's just
kind of silly in the Chicago market, it's going to
be exacerbating and it's going to feel a lot bigger.
I don't see any of that coming. I think he's
going to play well early and I just think that
he's grown. He's going to be pushed so much that
you're not going to see any of the stuff that
I would attribute to boredom as opposed to I would
attribute to character.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's such a good smart take in J Mack. Ohs,
J Mack, you could deliver those kind of takes once
in a while. That was really smart. That whole thing
about you. You hold a kid back and they get bored,
they get in more trouble. I don't know Jordan or
Jordan gets this stuff. He didn't know that question was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, a quarterback summit. Say hi to your brother. You
keep crushing. He's got a new nutrition company, Thread Performance.
Is there a website or something I can go to?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
How do I know? How do I find out about that?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, we're launching presale next week Thread Performance, believe it
or not. Calling there's a million supplements out there. There's
nothing designed for athletes going through puberty exactly what their
bodies need. I've partnered with some of the best people
in the business, and we're launching presale next week and yeah,
thread performance dot Com and we're going to really kind
of change the way. This is the you know, I
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the personal coach, they go to the camps. Nutrition is
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two years and excited for a launch next week.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Love having you on the show, Jordan. I'm fired up
for this weekend. I want to watch these young guys.
Great seeing you man.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I can't wait, Man, are you kidding me? Football's here?
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I can't wait either, j Mack, you picked the Vikings
to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That was good.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
By the way, his take on the eighth grader is
being held back. No, that that's that's a good take.
That's out there. But a lot of people are red
shirting their kid to hold them back. So physically they're
they're you know, more mature. They go fully through pul.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They can get a D one scholarship.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, again, I'm not totally advocating this, although I did
try to lobby the wife.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Nevertheless, this is back in the day I tried to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Don't you want them to be They're going to make
more money in academics obviously, obviously, but I'm not going
to hold kids back.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, no, I I totally understand that. But if you
want to access exis high school football, everybody does, literally
everyone does it. Did you want to go to seventh grade? Again?
I did not.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I was I was pretty you can get a skullie
in the UTAP.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I really thought I was going to the NBA when
I was like a middle schooler, and then I tried
out for the freshman team and I got cut. So
I realized at that point, yeah, it's not happening. Let's
focus on the schoolwork in sports and the hot takes.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You have an almost one hundred percent chance to do
well academically, yeah, and about three percent chance to one
percent chance to do great athletically in your in your
thirties and forties.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Well that's why some of these like kids who dominate
high school football are like nineteen years old playing against
like sixteen seventeen year olds. So it's like, oh, maybe
he's not a great player, he's just cooking really young guys.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well you see that sometimes Kenny Pickett had gone to
college for four years. After to college, yeah, and then
he comes to the NFL and it's like, did that
really benefit Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He got one one quick contract. It was the first
round pick. He got paid. You know, had a great
year at pit when he was like twenty three or
twenty four. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
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Speaker 3 (14:10):
Let me do want to do?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm not telling parents how to parent, they says. I
know as a kid, I don't care good. I was
at middle linebacker. I don't want to go to eighth
grade again. I was so done with high school. But
the middle of my sophomore year, I'm like, I gotta
take social studies again.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
What am I doing well at?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Some of this is like if your birthday is close
to the cutoff, if it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Makes sense to hang back.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But yet there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.
It's a good discussion. But let's go to the NFL
and Sean McDermott announced that Josh Allen and the rest
of the starters will play for about a quarter in
the Bills preseason game Saturday against dub Bears. Before that announcement,
Alan was asked if he feels he needs to get
any preseason reps.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Now, listen closely to this one.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
I don't feel it makes a difference for me at
this point in my career, so to get things wrong
would be nice. But I understand not getting out there
and making sure that we're being healthy and protective. So again,
it's a double edged short any way you look at it.
So if if I'm asked to play, I'll play, And
if I'm told not to play, I won't play.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So the competitive juices an you want.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
To play, But I understand that, you know, week one,
we still got we got some time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, that's kind of how I would be. I'm a
little surprised he's playing.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I don't know, you got a rookie receiver. I
wanted to have a few live snaps with him. You
can't be fear based. You can't be afraid people are
going to get hurt. It's pro football. Gonna go play games.
Lebron plays in the preseason when he was in his prime, Like,
just call play games.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
All right.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
They open against the mighty defense of the Arizona Cardinals,
and then it's the Miami Dolphins and the Jacksonville jag he's.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Probably only getting eight snaps. You're not playing him as long.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Here's eight snaps, you're not getting down you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, here's my take. Are you playing your first team
all line. If the answer is no, I wouldn't play him.
If the answer is yes, for a series, I want
to play my offensive lineman. Forget Josh. If i'm I
want my first team offensive lineman to play. That's the
hardest unit on a football team to get cohesion. So
if they were playing I might as well put Josh
in for like eight plays so we get the snap count,
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the audible, the bark. I mean to me, it's all
about the on line in there. I mean, honestly, the
whole team, outside of rookie quarterbacks. If you don't have
a rookie quarterback, all I care about is get snaps
with your starting offensive line, unless it's Trent Williams and
he's the best left tackle.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
In Spain the sport. No, it's a fair argument. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I just remember when I joined this show, we didn't
do preseason snaps.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We just went skip the preseason right to Week one,
hit the ground round.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You were a rookie, so no Kcups. We took a
chance because you were a rookie. Thank god you've dropped
in to cover it.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Otherwise I don't even know what that means. All right,
let's move on.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Stroud. This is your new guy. I know you love
you some.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Here he is dancing at Texans camp. Listen, he's living
the dream right now. Offensive rookie of the Year. Texans
get to the playoffs for the first time since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
He throws such a beautiful ball. Oh that's your that's
your Lyne. He throws a.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Beautiful d ball, floats like a butterfly, throws full wind.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Geeze, okay Shakespeare. Despite all that early success, c J.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Stroud still has a lot to learn, and OC Bobby
Slowick says he's continuing to push Stroud to make things difficult.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
For him in camp.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I'm not always going to script a great play call
for CJ to go and throw it in number one.
I might intentionally script the play where he has to
get all the way to last in the progression as
an outlet, like we want it to be hard, and
they embrace that. Everybody has a whole lot that we
could continue to get better at we can continue to
improve upon. And it could be something big that really
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affects the entire offense, or it could be something very small.
It's just for him individually.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
All I know is when CJ. Stroud lets go of
that puppy, he puts it right in that little bread box,
pretty spiral. It's just Matt, it's pretty. His comp was
Jared Goff, and they both throw a beautiful ball when
they have time, beautiful, and it's he's just so effortless.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Look at that. He's so effortlessly accurate, Like it's just
easy for him. He's a beast. I mean, watch this.
Watch these throws a little pressure. Look how pretty that.
But literally this against a Colt secondary. Come on, bro,
they were fifty yards in the air.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Look at this ball. Oh my god, you notice what
you're not seeing? Cried against elite Jets defense. They ate him,
had a really good defense, had the flu that way,
and he cooked him exit.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
He got knocked out of the game. Country. But listen,
I'm looking at the schedule for the Texans.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Okay, whether or not you know, your concern is, well,
they got digs, some newness, a lot of new pieces.
They open up with the Colts, followed by the Bears.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
They're gonna be fine. I think they are gonna be
I went back to that New York game. I've just
been reminded. It was pouring righting.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Hey, it's part of the you know, you go to
the Northeast, it's gonna be rating.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Maybe he had a little bit too much sauce. Oh
said he got everybody has a bad Sunday. CJ had
one bad Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Give me a bright.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I mean, his first first start against the Ravens was forgettable.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
He did not look great.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But it's the first start rookie, I get it. But
the second start, it was like he made a throw.
I remember one throw he made and I was like, okay, boom.
I'd like, okay, that's it, that's he can play. It
was just just this boom dime thirty eight yards corner
and then like with pressure and I'm like, yeah, that's Would.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
You rather have next three years? Jordan Love or CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
At this point, Stroud is more refined, so I'd probably
go Stroud, whereas Jordan. I'm still guessing a little bit.
They're both good.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Caleb or CJ. Well, I haven't never seen Caleb play. Yeah, okay,
tough foot.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You want one more?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No, okay, move on to the next story. Fine, it's
Michael Pennix. He might have been the top draft pick.
I think he went eighth overall to the Falcon, but
he's not in line to be the starter because of
that guy named Kirk Cousins, who's going to be the
starter in Atlanta. Pennis will get plenty of reps in
the preseason, right he Morris confirmed he'll get a good
look at the rookie when the Falcons take on the
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Dolphins Friday. I know you're fired up to see your guy,
Pennix cook a terrible Miami secondary.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I am fired up for all these guys, but Pennix,
I'm gonna be right on this one that Panick sitting
for a year is the best thing that ever happened.
Aaron sat, Carson Palmer sat, Mahalms sat.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Here's where that falls apart, you say sitting for a year.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You also have the Falcons being awesome this year because
of the schedule, winning like eleven twelve games, and they
go to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well, if that happens, Pennix is sitting next year too.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, you know what happens, Kirk Cousin stock boom, somebody
goes give it. Raiders are like, we won four games,
we have the third pick, we don't get the top
two quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
We'll take Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You're trading Cousins after he wins twelve games and got.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You to the playoff. Absolutely, I would. I'm a risk taker.
I would trade him.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I took Kirk nice knowing you we got a free
quarterback for the next several years.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
If Kirk crushes Bilo sell High moving to Vegas, get
a number two pick, boom off.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
And will take some major kahonas. Now I would be
impressed if they did that.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Colin, come on Coward. If they win to cow heard
a new nickname. I like Pedix.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I think I will be interesting if Pennis is like
fourteen for fifteen Saturday with like three touchdowns, Like why
isn't he starting?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
What do we have Kirk Cousins? But I I digress,
all right. J mckl the news.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
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Speaker 1 (22:14):
One of the all time greats, a basketball Hall of Famer,
a four time Olympic gold medalist, twelve times All WNBA,
second leading scorer for the US Olympic basketball team all time,
now only behind Kevin Durant, who just became the all
time leading scorer. She's joining us from Florida. Lisa Leslie,
the Great Lisa Leslie Nate Smith basketball Hall of Famer. Okay,
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so not every great player goes to the Olympics. Lisa
and flourishes. Steph Curry, he's kind of struggling. It's the
FEBA rules. You were able to flourish like Kevin Durant, NBA,
College USC and in the Olympics. But I see some
of these players like Steph are struggling. Did you ever
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play with great players who struggled? And why is Olympic
basketball different? What works what doesn't?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know?
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Honestly, I think you have to really keep it simple
on the Olympics. You don't want to overdribble. The ball
kind of sucks, to be really honest with me. It's
a little slicker than what you know, the leather ball that.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
We're used to.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
But I had some amazing, I mean, phenomenal teammates who
got me the ball and listen call and I scored
one hundred and one points in high school, like I
can score the ball.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
That was not the hard part.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
For me in basketball at all. Put in that ball
in that basket is what I love to do. And
I earned the confidence of my teammates how I posted up,
how I demanded the ball, how you worked every day
in practice.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
And when people.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
See Kevin Durant's work ethic and his shooting and how
much he just he's just such a bucket, you know.
And I was a bucket. So that's why I was
able to score so much.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But you were also a great defensive player. You were
a couple times you really played defense. For the record,
Kevin Durant's a willing defender, he's not a great defender.
Was it ever hard when you went to the Olympics
because you were dominant favorites like our men are now
and I mean they've been crushing people kind of surprisingly.
Was it hard to stay engaged when you're a twenty
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five point favorite every game?
Speaker 10 (24:19):
It's not hard to stay engaged, Colin, because you do
not want to be a part of that group that
does not bring home the gold and everything's riding on it.
And in fact, the most pressured game is the game
prior to the gold medal round, because if you lose
that game, you're out and it's like you're going into
the bronze medal round, which sucks and you could possibly
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not even get a medal. So I think that's the
most pressured game is the game prior.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
To the gold medal game. When you're in the gold
medal game, listen, it's either either you win gold or
you lose gold.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
Like you don't win silver, you know, so nobody wants
to be a part of that I'm telling you, not
in a team sport. I think the individual sports, you
know when they're swimming or you know Shakri Richardson who
came up with silver, like, I think those are amazing
because you're I mean, we're talking about I mean little
seconds that people are apart. Go when you think about
basketball and the whole team, no, like, you do not
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want the silver medals.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So I've been arguing that Olympic teams men's and women's,
after you get past the top five or six players,
they can be a little political. Isaiah Thomas didn't make it,
Jalen Brown didn't make it for this team, Kyrie didn't
make it, and that they should have included not just
Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reese because I believe those two
are the future of the WNBA. And my take is
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put them at the end of the bench. They'll get eyeballs.
Have these rivals practiced together, magic and bird form a bond.
It's just good for the sport. It'll get more eyes
on these women that can get more endorsements. You know,
the Olympic Movement for the Women said now they're not
ready yet, and my take is, well, I don't know
if Christian Latner was ready. But it was kind of interesting.
It made me, you know, you're favored in all these games.
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Do you think it was a mistake not including not
just Caitlin but Angel on the team.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Well, this is what I think, Colin.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I think it's watering the bridge at this point because
there are one game away from winning to go medal.
And what I also thought about was how this sets
up the next Olympics that are in Los Angeles back
in the United States. They'll be Caitlin's first Olympics. They'll
be Angel Reese's first Olympics. And wow, what an amazing
setting for those women. Could they have taken those players
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and got them ready? I think me personally absolutely did
they They did not, So it's going to just be
a different story. We have so many strong, powerful women.
And then the second thing is is that there's a
pool play that has to happen when you play USA
basketball that those players didn't necessarily participate in to make
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the women's Olympic team. So we have to also respect
the committee they decided to leave them home.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But I do agree with you, Christian Layner. We took
Rebecca logo.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
We didn't always take the best player who was deserving
to be there.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
I set my piece, they didn't take them. We move
it on.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
We got a minute left.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
The attendance exploded WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
How'd that make you feel? You feel good about that
when you watch the sport?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
One hundred percent? I'm like a proud mom.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
And let me just tell you, I think women should
continue to support the companies and the brands that support
us in DraftKings has been one of those brands that
have stepped up huge to the plate. They've done such
an amazing job of creating enthusiasm around women's basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
The WNBA has been.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
Bet on more than any other time in our history,
as well as women in the Olympics. So I love
the fact that people, the fans are engaged thanks to
social media, thanks to the streaming, thanks to the companies
like Draftings, where they have an opportunity to get to
know these players and teams and pick their favorite people.
And I think, don't forget people to bet responsibly, but
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I think that it's so important that we as women
support those companies and brands that support us. So I'm
just so happy for where women's basketball is, or it's
continuing to go women's sports across the board, and I'm
like a proud mom. Listen, I have nothing to say negative.
I love Caitlin, I love Angel, I love all of
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the rookies and what they're doing. And I love that
all of these companies are coming together and supporting these
women as they deserve to be supported.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
They really do.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
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You look great. This is a great time the gymnastics.
It's Katie Leadecki Simon by the whole thing's amazing like this.
This has been the gymnastics, even when we lose. We
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lost the beach volleyball to Switzerland the other day. It
was so magnificent, it was so regal. Lisa Leslie, Basketball
Hall of Famer, What a pleasure to see you again.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Likewise, thanks for having me you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Bet uh small Biles has been just uh, it's it's
really been. I'm trying to think gymnastics, track and field.
I remember, you know, I can I go back to
you know, Carl Lewis this may have been. And this
may be on competition quality of athletes, uh close finishes.
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This may be the best Olympics I can remember. It
has played so well on television. I mean I've been
so engaged, and we have just enough stars many most
are women. I mean obviously you have the dream the
basketball teams, but it's just been the gymnastics. Even remember
our men's gymnastics team, which they're I mean they shockingly
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uh yeah, the the some guy.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
On the pommel horse had like an amazing routine.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
But we should also give a shout out. You know
Peacock's app. You don't have to let and be tell
you what to watch. You can go to the app
and pick the sport, so you can now control what
you're watching, which I think is great because some of
the stuff I'm not interested.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
You're not interested in every sport, right, no, no, no, no no.
But I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Gymnastics is something that I don't watch until the Olympics,
and it has the ability. Maybe it's the proximity the athlete.
I mean it's first of all, it's so hard. I mean,
it's so precise, and it's you just watch gymnastics. I
cannot watch it for four years and in five minutes,
I'm a nervous wreck. And it's very, very few things
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can do that. Men's and women's gymnastics at this Olympia
performance in Paris has been as good as I ever remember.
And again maybe it's recency biased, but it is.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It is something. Swimming's always good, yeah, and we're.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Always good in swimming, dominant, all right, Uh, we're off tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, I'm excited for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
First of I'm gonna see some of these young quarterbacks,
and I'm also going to see an old friend, Sam
Darnold and Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I bumped into him name drop at the Christian McCaffrey
wedding and he looked great. He was in shape, cut up.
I was just like Sammy was put Greg Olsen was there,
Jonathan Stewart, uh Luke Keighley and uh, you know, just
one of the guys, very very well liked guy, the
bow Nicks, Michael Pennix. There are a lot of stuff
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this weekend. Jordan Palmer, founder a Quarterback Summit, by the way,
launching a new nutrition company, through Performance, designed for young athletes.
So maybe it's it's you know, it's the usc thing.
It's that I like him, It's that I think he
just didn't get a shot. It's like, Okay, now he's
got a left tackle and a really smart coach and
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two really good receivers and not a great defensive division.
Am I being irrational with Sam Donald? Or do you
see something potentially Jordan here? Nah?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Full disclosure here, I've been drinking Sam Donald kool aid
since I met him when he was fourteen. But there
are some some just truths here to what you're saying.
And I know you go way back with Sam too,
but I think with players like Sam and I'll put
him in the category of guys who are upper rachel
on talent. He's the third pick in the draft, not
because he got lucky, but because his talent justified that.
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I've been around him a long time, spent a lot
of time with him this offseason. Never seen him cut
a corner, never once, as he showed up late, left early,
got a bail, got some this weeken, I'm gonna go
to Vegas on my body. He's just ever cut a corner.
Great head on his shoulder, smart, great family, settled, just
mature players like that. I always tell them there will
be a time in a place where all you have
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to do is play to the best of your abilities,
not above it, and you'll be in every game with
a chance to make a run at the end, which
is honestly all you can ask for. I've been waiting
for this. I was hoping it was the Jets, and
it just wasn't. That was just an impossible situation to
have success, and I thought it might be Carolina. Then
he got a new coordinator, Ben mcinto. It just wasn't
that in Carolina. But this last season getting to sit
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Watchbrock Perdy play, soak up everything that Kyle Shanahan has.
One of the things about the San Francisco forty nine ers,
their best players on their team are also the most
bought end players on their team. Sam hadn't been around winners.
They weren't winning at SC like that. They didn't win
the Jets, they didn't win in Carolina. He got a
chance this last year to essentially red shirt and just
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be around a winning culture and now go and be
the starting quarterback in another winning culture that's on the ride.
And I'm bullish and I think Sam is set up
for a comeback Player of the Year type of season
and the personnel to play calling in the situation around him.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So M bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy both third on
the depth chart, But you just installing stuff. I don't
take much from it. The veteran guys like a Stidham,
he's just been around, he knows the offense, so I
don't take a ton from it. Bow Knicks is more
interesting because I do believe in the case of bow Knicks,
you don't have a Sam Darnold. There a guy that
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could really win ten twelve games. In my opinion, Bow's
got to cook it pretty quick. They got the Oregon
receiver Mims Courtland Sutton. I like their backs. Left tackles
good like Sean I and he does. He has an
offensive coach, Jordan. A lot of these young guys have
defensive coaches. These rookies, it's harder. I like bon Knicks.
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What's realistic for me on bow Knicks not much of
a defense. He's gonna have to win some high scoring games.
What's realistic to expect from him?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I think it depends on when bow Knicks enters
the game. I think Jarrett Stidham is one of the
most underrated quarterbacks in football right now if you think
about it. Very limited playing time Jarrett was in New England,
he backed up Tom and really as a fourth round
pick rookie, he was the two in New England. And
that was I think Brady's like fourteenth ye or something
(04:22):
like that in the system with Josh McDaniels. And for
him to go from Gus Melzon's offfense to speaking fluent
New England Patriots elite level offense, that growth in that year,
just them trusting him to be the two said a
lot to me. And then when he did finally get
to play two seasons ago, at the end of the
year in Vegas, he torched Kansas City. I think he
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had over three hundred something yards all purpose, and then
he tourched San Francisco and played great in both of
those games. And so I know that that Sean McVay
does not sit here and go, we got some like
Bridge guy, and let's hurry up and get bow Nicks
out there. I don't think they need to rush bow
Knicks out there. I think Jared Sidam's going to play
a high level win number is called though. My expectations
for him are really high, partly because of how much
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football he's played in college. Right played more more starts
than anybody. But the second part of this is his context.
He has more experience of what it takes to play
be a franchise quarterback then say JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarty's
only won and every game he's been in they were
going to run the ball for three hundred yards and
they were favored, and basically every game bo Knicks played
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on some bad Auburn teams and was booed out of
the building and had pressure and people turning on him.
He has that experience, and then he has the experience
to lighten it up at Oregon for two years. So
I think bo Nicks, you know, married, just settled. He's
an adult stepping in when bo Nix's number is called.
My expectations are high because of yes, his talent and
his ability and the play caller, but his experience of
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what it actually takes to to seed in the league.
I think he's got as much as you can have
being a rookie and never actually having a start.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I think Washington the Commanders are my Houston Texans
from a year ago. We kind of roll our eyes.
What a mass not well run, not smartly owned. But
here's what I like It's like being part of a
great recruiting class in college. Jaden Daniels comes in. Everybody's
new owner, GM coach, coordinate draft class and it's like
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this new wave of guys and everybody's equal. There's no
executive in the corner room. That's you know, a little
tribal and he's got territory. Everybody's new. I think they're
going to be Houston. I think they're going to shock people.
What say you on Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I see all the same riding on the wall, and
I think when you're around this league, as long as
I've been around this league, it's great to have. You know,
you talk a lot about having an offensive head coach, right,
and I think that's that's hopeful, and that's that's that's beneficial.
He doesn't have that there, but you know, having great
skill positions is helpful. You want to sustain success in
the NFL, you need a great owner. This this league
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is about ownership and great decision making and they've got that.
These guys were there last year. They got to sit
watch learn and I think it starts with ownership. And
you could make a case that they have the thirty
second best owner two years ago. Yeah, and now they've got,
you know, somebody who's in the top group and they'll
prove that over time. But I totally agree everything's new.
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You don't have to, you know, have a conversation with
one person, but then make sure the other person didn't
hear it. It's a blank slate for everybody. And there's
no pressure that fan base isn't expecting a super Bowl
this year, and Jaden gets to come in kind of
quietly and just get better and learn how to play.
But it's specifically to Jaden's hit his skill set. It's
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the skill set that's set up for success early. Look,
a rookie quarterback is not going to come into the
league and just week one, see every pressure coming. Understand
every outlet, have every nuance of the game. What you
do need to do is you need to be mobile
enough to get out of a bad situation, which Jaden
is significantly more mobile than CJ. Strout, And then you've
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got to be able to take the shots and take
advantage of big plays when they present themselves.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
CJ.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Stroud did that last year at an A plus level,
and I think that's a big part of Jayden's game.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Too.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Those are great deep ball. He's mobile enough to get
out of a bad situation. And I think the intelligence
level how smart and his study habits that Jayden has
are commiserate with c J Stroud, which you know, just
prove you can't come into the league and play the
way that CJ did and play the way I think
Jaden's gonna play if you are not very, very intelligent
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with great study habits where you can retain this level
of information.
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Speaker 1 (08:43):
Jordan Palmer new company thread Performance, designed for young athletes
developing bodies. Finally, I think Caleb Williams is a very
good prospect. I do think you have to acknowledge at
times he was moody. You could see it in the sidelines.
He's a highly emotional player. It's not the end of
the world. It's just something I saw. I didn't see
that with Andrew Luck, but I did. There are times
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he's really emotional, good bad. I like passionate people. That's
not much of a criticism, but when you're the centerpiece
of a college offense and you go to the NFL
with a good, not great old line, you can get
humbled very quickly. Any concern anything I would see in
the first couple of weeks that would concern you was,
I mean, if you break these guys down, is there
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anything you're like that worries me a little bit? That
he can be a little erratic to me, little erratic
on accuracy. I don't think he's a ten out of
a ten prospect, but he's very good.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
What do you expect?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I am anticipating no hiccups for Keileb Williams. I think
he's going to light it up right away. I think
what I happened last year is he was forced to
play football with a bunch of college kids one more year.
I think he was ready last year, and I think
he might have been the number one pick last year.
And I think most people would agree that the number
one pick last year. It's like, you know, when somebody
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holds their kid back in eighth grade, right, there's statistics
and data that supports this. When you hold somebody back
and they just straight repeat eighth grade again, their their
attention goes down. They get in trouble, they kind of
act up a little bit more. It's because they're bored, yeah,
and they're not being pushed, and they've already heard this
before and they've already learned this information. And I think
that's what happened last year, where he got bored. And
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I'm not saying that they didn't go undefeated. He did
not win the national title. Right. I think he played
great last season with what was around him, but I
think another year of college football, the expectations were unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was national title in back to back Heismans, And
I think he's going to be pushed and he's not
going to come in It's not going to be easy.
And I think last year it was easy to sustain
the level of success that he did that got him
a Heisman and got him the number one pick. This
is not going to be easy. He's going to be
pushed every week to learn and grow. He's not going
to be able to make the same mistake twice. And
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if he does any stuff in the Chicago market, which
I've played in, if he does any stuff that's just
kind of silly in the Chicago market, it's going to
be exacerbating and it's going to feel a lot bigger.
I don't see any of that coming. I think he's
going to play well early and I just think that
he's grown. He's going to be pushed so much that
you're not going to see any of the stuff that
I would attribute to boredom as opposed to I would
attribute to character.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's such a good smart take in J Mack. Ohs,
J Mack, you could deliver those kind of takes once
in a while. That was really smart. That whole thing
about you. You hold a kid back and they get bored,
they get in more trouble. I don't know Jordan or
Jordan gets this stuff. He didn't know that question was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, a quarterback summit. Say hi to your brother. You
keep crushing. He's got a new nutrition company, Thread Performance.
Is there a website or something I can go to?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
How do I know? How do I find out about that?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, we're launching presale next week Thread Performance, believe it
or not. Calling there's a million supplements out there. There's
nothing designed for athletes going through puberty exactly what their
bodies need. I've partnered with some of the best people
in the business, and we're launching presale next week and yeah,
thread performance dot Com and we're going to really kind
of change the way. This is the you know, I
trained guys. They have a private trainer, they go to
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the personal coach, they go to the camps. Nutrition is
the biggest whiff that parents are making and so we
wanted to solve that problem. And working on this for
two years and excited for a launch next week.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Love having you on the show, Jordan. I'm fired up
for this weekend. I want to watch these young guys.
Great seeing you man.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I can't wait, Man, are you kidding me? Football's here?
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I can't wait either, j Mack, you picked the Vikings
to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That was good.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
By the way, his take on the eighth grader is
being held back. No, that that's that's a good take.
That's out there. But a lot of people are red
shirting their kid to hold them back. So physically they're
they're you know, more mature. They go fully through pul.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They can get a D one scholarship.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, again, I'm not totally advocating this, although I did
try to lobby the wife.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Nevertheless, this is back in the day I tried to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Don't you want them to be They're going to make
more money in academics obviously, obviously, but I'm not going
to hold kids back.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, no, I I totally understand that. But if you
want to access exis high school football, everybody does, literally
everyone does it. Did you want to go to seventh grade? Again?
I did not.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I was I was pretty you can get a skullie
in the UTAP.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I really thought I was going to the NBA when
I was like a middle schooler, and then I tried
out for the freshman team and I got cut. So
I realized at that point, yeah, it's not happening. Let's
focus on the schoolwork in sports and the hot takes.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You have an almost one hundred percent chance to do
well academically, yeah, and about three percent chance to one
percent chance to do great athletically in your in your
thirties and forties.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Well that's why some of these like kids who dominate
high school football are like nineteen years old playing against
like sixteen seventeen year olds. So it's like, oh, maybe
he's not a great player, he's just cooking really young guys.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well you see that sometimes Kenny Pickett had gone to
college for four years. After to college, yeah, and then
he comes to the NFL and it's like, did that
really benefit Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He got one one quick contract. It was the first
round pick. He got paid. You know, had a great
year at pit when he was like twenty three or
twenty four. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
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Speaker 3 (14:10):
Let me do want to do?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm not telling parents how to parent, they says. I
know as a kid, I don't care good. I was
at middle linebacker. I don't want to go to eighth
grade again. I was so done with high school. But
the middle of my sophomore year, I'm like, I gotta
take social studies again.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
What am I doing well at?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Some of this is like if your birthday is close
to the cutoff, if it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Makes sense to hang back.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But yet there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.
It's a good discussion. But let's go to the NFL
and Sean McDermott announced that Josh Allen and the rest
of the starters will play for about a quarter in
the Bills preseason game Saturday against dub Bears. Before that announcement,
Alan was asked if he feels he needs to get
any preseason reps.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Now, listen closely to this one.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
I don't feel it makes a difference for me at
this point in my career, so to get things wrong
would be nice. But I understand not getting out there
and making sure that we're being healthy and protective. So again,
it's a double edged short any way you look at it.
So if if I'm asked to play, I'll play, And
if I'm told not to play, I won't play.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So the competitive juices an you want.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
To play, But I understand that, you know, week one,
we still got we got some time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, that's kind of how I would be. I'm a
little surprised he's playing.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I don't know, you got a rookie receiver. I
wanted to have a few live snaps with him. You
can't be fear based. You can't be afraid people are
going to get hurt. It's pro football. Gonna go play games.
Lebron plays in the preseason when he was in his prime, Like,
just call play games.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
All right.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
They open against the mighty defense of the Arizona Cardinals,
and then it's the Miami Dolphins and the Jacksonville jag he's.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Probably only getting eight snaps. You're not playing him as long.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Here's eight snaps, you're not getting down you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, here's my take. Are you playing your first team
all line. If the answer is no, I wouldn't play him.
If the answer is yes, for a series, I want
to play my offensive lineman. Forget Josh. If i'm I
want my first team offensive lineman to play. That's the
hardest unit on a football team to get cohesion. So
if they were playing I might as well put Josh
in for like eight plays so we get the snap count,
(16:11):
the audible, the bark. I mean to me, it's all
about the on line in there. I mean, honestly, the
whole team, outside of rookie quarterbacks. If you don't have
a rookie quarterback, all I care about is get snaps
with your starting offensive line, unless it's Trent Williams and
he's the best left tackle.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
In Spain the sport. No, it's a fair argument. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I just remember when I joined this show, we didn't
do preseason snaps.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We just went skip the preseason right to Week one,
hit the ground round.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You were a rookie, so no Kcups. We took a
chance because you were a rookie. Thank god you've dropped
in to cover it.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Otherwise I don't even know what that means. All right,
let's move on.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Stroud. This is your new guy. I know you love
you some.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Here he is dancing at Texans camp. Listen, he's living
the dream right now. Offensive rookie of the Year. Texans
get to the playoffs for the first time since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
He throws such a beautiful ball. Oh that's your that's
your Lyne. He throws a.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Beautiful d ball, floats like a butterfly, throws full wind.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Geeze, okay Shakespeare. Despite all that early success, c J.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Stroud still has a lot to learn, and OC Bobby
Slowick says he's continuing to push Stroud to make things difficult.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
For him in camp.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I'm not always going to script a great play call
for CJ to go and throw it in number one.
I might intentionally script the play where he has to
get all the way to last in the progression as
an outlet, like we want it to be hard, and
they embrace that. Everybody has a whole lot that we
could continue to get better at we can continue to
improve upon. And it could be something big that really
(17:41):
affects the entire offense, or it could be something very small.
It's just for him individually.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
All I know is when CJ. Stroud lets go of
that puppy, he puts it right in that little bread box,
pretty spiral. It's just Matt, it's pretty. His comp was
Jared Goff, and they both throw a beautiful ball when
they have time, beautiful, and it's he's just so effortless.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Look at that. He's so effortlessly accurate, Like it's just
easy for him. He's a beast. I mean, watch this.
Watch these throws a little pressure. Look how pretty that.
But literally this against a Colt secondary. Come on, bro,
they were fifty yards in the air.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Look at this ball. Oh my god, you notice what
you're not seeing? Cried against elite Jets defense. They ate him,
had a really good defense, had the flu that way,
and he cooked him exit.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
He got knocked out of the game. Country. But listen,
I'm looking at the schedule for the Texans.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Okay, whether or not you know, your concern is, well,
they got digs, some newness, a lot of new pieces.
They open up with the Colts, followed by the Bears.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
They're gonna be fine. I think they are gonna be
I went back to that New York game. I've just
been reminded. It was pouring righting.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Hey, it's part of the you know, you go to
the Northeast, it's gonna be rating.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Maybe he had a little bit too much sauce. Oh
said he got everybody has a bad Sunday. CJ had
one bad Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Give me a bright.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I mean, his first first start against the Ravens was forgettable.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
He did not look great.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But it's the first start rookie, I get it. But
the second start, it was like he made a throw.
I remember one throw he made and I was like, okay, boom.
I'd like, okay, that's it, that's he can play. It
was just just this boom dime thirty eight yards corner
and then like with pressure and I'm like, yeah, that's Would.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
You rather have next three years? Jordan Love or CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
At this point, Stroud is more refined, so I'd probably
go Stroud, whereas Jordan. I'm still guessing a little bit.
They're both good.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Caleb or CJ. Well, I haven't never seen Caleb play. Yeah, okay,
tough foot.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You want one more?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No, okay, move on to the next story. Fine, it's
Michael Pennix. He might have been the top draft pick.
I think he went eighth overall to the Falcon, but
he's not in line to be the starter because of
that guy named Kirk Cousins, who's going to be the
starter in Atlanta. Pennis will get plenty of reps in
the preseason, right he Morris confirmed he'll get a good
look at the rookie when the Falcons take on the
(20:08):
Dolphins Friday. I know you're fired up to see your guy,
Pennix cook a terrible Miami secondary.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I am fired up for all these guys, but Pennix,
I'm gonna be right on this one that Panick sitting
for a year is the best thing that ever happened.
Aaron sat, Carson Palmer sat, Mahalms sat.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Here's where that falls apart, you say sitting for a year.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You also have the Falcons being awesome this year because
of the schedule, winning like eleven twelve games, and they
go to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well, if that happens, Pennix is sitting next year too.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, you know what happens, Kirk Cousin stock boom, somebody
goes give it. Raiders are like, we won four games,
we have the third pick, we don't get the top
two quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
We'll take Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You're trading Cousins after he wins twelve games and got.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You to the playoff. Absolutely, I would. I'm a risk taker.
I would trade him.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I took Kirk nice knowing you we got a free
quarterback for the next several years.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
If Kirk crushes Bilo sell High moving to Vegas, get
a number two pick, boom off.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
And will take some major kahonas. Now I would be
impressed if they did that.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Colin, come on Coward. If they win to cow heard
a new nickname. I like Pedix.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I think I will be interesting if Pennis is like
fourteen for fifteen Saturday with like three touchdowns, Like why
isn't he starting?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
What do we have Kirk Cousins? But I I digress,
all right. J mckl the news.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's the Herd Live the Olympics Basketball men's and women's
Lisa Leslie joins us next.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 1 (22:14):
One of the all time greats, a basketball Hall of Famer,
a four time Olympic gold medalist, twelve times All WNBA,
second leading scorer for the US Olympic basketball team all time,
now only behind Kevin Durant, who just became the all
time leading scorer. She's joining us from Florida. Lisa Leslie,
the Great Lisa Leslie Nate Smith basketball Hall of Famer. Okay,
(22:38):
so not every great player goes to the Olympics. Lisa
and flourishes. Steph Curry, he's kind of struggling. It's the
FEBA rules. You were able to flourish like Kevin Durant, NBA,
College USC and in the Olympics. But I see some
of these players like Steph are struggling. Did you ever
(23:00):
play with great players who struggled? And why is Olympic
basketball different? What works what doesn't?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know?
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Honestly, I think you have to really keep it simple
on the Olympics. You don't want to overdribble. The ball
kind of sucks, to be really honest with me. It's
a little slicker than what you know, the leather ball that.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
We're used to.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
But I had some amazing, I mean, phenomenal teammates who
got me the ball and listen call and I scored
one hundred and one points in high school, like I
can score the ball.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
That was not the hard part.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
For me in basketball at all. Put in that ball
in that basket is what I love to do. And
I earned the confidence of my teammates how I posted up,
how I demanded the ball, how you worked every day
in practice.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
And when people.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
See Kevin Durant's work ethic and his shooting and how
much he just he's just such a bucket, you know.
And I was a bucket. So that's why I was
able to score so much.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But you were also a great defensive player. You were
a couple times you really played defense. For the record,
Kevin Durant's a willing defender, he's not a great defender.
Was it ever hard when you went to the Olympics
because you were dominant favorites like our men are now
and I mean they've been crushing people kind of surprisingly.
Was it hard to stay engaged when you're a twenty
(24:16):
five point favorite every game?
Speaker 10 (24:19):
It's not hard to stay engaged, Colin, because you do
not want to be a part of that group that
does not bring home the gold and everything's riding on it.
And in fact, the most pressured game is the game
prior to the gold medal round, because if you lose
that game, you're out and it's like you're going into
the bronze medal round, which sucks and you could possibly
(24:41):
not even get a medal. So I think that's the
most pressured game is the game prior.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
To the gold medal game. When you're in the gold
medal game, listen, it's either either you win gold or
you lose gold.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
Like you don't win silver, you know, so nobody wants
to be a part of that I'm telling you, not
in a team sport. I think the individual sports, you
know when they're swimming or you know Shakri Richardson who
came up with silver, like, I think those are amazing
because you're I mean, we're talking about I mean little
seconds that people are apart. Go when you think about
basketball and the whole team, no, like, you do not
(25:14):
want the silver medals.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So I've been arguing that Olympic teams men's and women's,
after you get past the top five or six players,
they can be a little political. Isaiah Thomas didn't make it,
Jalen Brown didn't make it for this team, Kyrie didn't
make it, and that they should have included not just
Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reese because I believe those two
are the future of the WNBA. And my take is
(25:38):
put them at the end of the bench. They'll get eyeballs.
Have these rivals practiced together, magic and bird form a bond.
It's just good for the sport. It'll get more eyes
on these women that can get more endorsements. You know,
the Olympic Movement for the Women said now they're not
ready yet, and my take is, well, I don't know
if Christian Latner was ready. But it was kind of interesting.
It made me, you know, you're favored in all these games.
(26:00):
Do you think it was a mistake not including not
just Caitlin but Angel on the team.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Well, this is what I think, Colin.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I think it's watering the bridge at this point because
there are one game away from winning to go medal.
And what I also thought about was how this sets
up the next Olympics that are in Los Angeles back
in the United States. They'll be Caitlin's first Olympics. They'll
be Angel Reese's first Olympics. And wow, what an amazing
setting for those women. Could they have taken those players
(26:28):
and got them ready? I think me personally absolutely did
they They did not, So it's going to just be
a different story. We have so many strong, powerful women.
And then the second thing is is that there's a
pool play that has to happen when you play USA
basketball that those players didn't necessarily participate in to make
(26:49):
the women's Olympic team. So we have to also respect
the committee they decided to leave them home.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But I do agree with you, Christian Layner. We took
Rebecca logo.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
We didn't always take the best player who was deserving
to be there.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
I set my piece, they didn't take them. We move
it on.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
We got a minute left.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
The attendance exploded WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
How'd that make you feel? You feel good about that
when you watch the sport?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
One hundred percent? I'm like a proud mom.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
And let me just tell you, I think women should
continue to support the companies and the brands that support
us in DraftKings has been one of those brands that
have stepped up huge to the plate. They've done such
an amazing job of creating enthusiasm around women's basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
The WNBA has been.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
Bet on more than any other time in our history,
as well as women in the Olympics. So I love
the fact that people, the fans are engaged thanks to
social media, thanks to the streaming, thanks to the companies
like Draftings, where they have an opportunity to get to
know these players and teams and pick their favorite people.
And I think, don't forget people to bet responsibly, but
(27:56):
I think that it's so important that we as women
support those companies and brands that support us. So I'm
just so happy for where women's basketball is, or it's
continuing to go women's sports across the board, and I'm
like a proud mom. Listen, I have nothing to say negative.
I love Caitlin, I love Angel, I love all of
(28:17):
the rookies and what they're doing. And I love that
all of these companies are coming together and supporting these
women as they deserve to be supported.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
They really do.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
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You look great. This is a great time the gymnastics.
It's Katie Leadecki Simon by the whole thing's amazing like this.
This has been the gymnastics, even when we lose. We
(28:48):
lost the beach volleyball to Switzerland the other day. It
was so magnificent, it was so regal. Lisa Leslie, Basketball
Hall of Famer, What a pleasure to see you again.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Likewise, thanks for having me you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Bet uh small Biles has been just uh, it's it's
really been. I'm trying to think gymnastics, track and field.
I remember, you know, I can I go back to
you know, Carl Lewis this may have been. And this
may be on competition quality of athletes, uh close finishes.
(29:26):
This may be the best Olympics I can remember. It
has played so well on television. I mean I've been
so engaged, and we have just enough stars many most
are women. I mean obviously you have the dream the
basketball teams, but it's just been the gymnastics. Even remember
our men's gymnastics team, which they're I mean they shockingly
(29:49):
uh yeah, the the some guy.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
On the pommel horse had like an amazing routine.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
But we should also give a shout out. You know
Peacock's app. You don't have to let and be tell
you what to watch. You can go to the app
and pick the sport, so you can now control what
you're watching, which I think is great because some of
the stuff I'm not interested.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
You're not interested in every sport, right, no, no, no, no no.
But I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Gymnastics is something that I don't watch until the Olympics,
and it has the ability. Maybe it's the proximity the athlete.
I mean it's first of all, it's so hard. I mean,
it's so precise, and it's you just watch gymnastics. I
cannot watch it for four years and in five minutes,
I'm a nervous wreck. And it's very, very few things
(30:35):
can do that. Men's and women's gymnastics at this Olympia
performance in Paris has been as good as I ever remember.
And again maybe it's recency biased, but it is.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It is something. Swimming's always good, yeah, and we're.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Always good in swimming, dominant, all right, Uh, we're off tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
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