August 9, 2024 • 42 mins
Doug defends Jerry Jones for his comments about contract negotiations with superstar WR CeeDee Lamb as he holds out from training camp to secure a new deal
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us part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug
Gallingy be in for Colin Cowherd. So, how are things
going with the Cowboys now reportedly in Oxnard? For the
Cowboys are trained for years. There's small crowds if even
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we're gatherings. In terms of their fan base, now there's
a lot you can attest to. I mean, the first
thing is that the RAMS camp is in Orange County.
The Chargers are now in Los Angeles. They moved, you know,
they moved to their new facility which is actually in
El Segundo in Los Angeles County. So the Cowboys used
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to be the one team to stick their flag in
the ground in southern California, and they were still the Cowboys,
so they were super popular. I think some of it
is the popularity of those other two teams, the proximity tip,
but a lot of it is I think even Cowboy
fans are like, don't tell me you're pregnant, show me
the baby. And they've been really close. They put together
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consistent double digit win seasons. But the collapse against the
Green Bay Packers last year in the playoffs, the two
untimely interceptions by Dak in that first half. I mean, look,
you lose to a team whose defense is so bad
that ultimately they fired their defensive coordinator. You know, what
do you? What do you do? So there's a lot
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of questions about Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Drones. You know,
I don't know if he I don't know if he
intentionally tried to get everybody's attention. I mean, I'm guessing
he did. Here was Jerry Jones asked yesterday about Cede
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Lamb's negotiations.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I went to Oscar or I went to college.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't want to say that, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't have a sense I heard say about getting
that due.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Any reason. You won't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
See all the laugh and all the yuck yuck and
all the all the chuckling. Here's John Middlekoff last hour
talking about cdee lambsteal.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You know you're going to pay him. But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty hundred thirty guaranteed for a
non quarterback are just typically pretty tough, and there's a
lot of back and forth. But eventually these teams sign it.
The number is going to be astronomical. Why not get
them into camp right now and make sure he's in
shaved and ready to role.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think that if we can admit a couple of
things right, there will be people that will always say, well,
you know, Jerry Jones shouldn't be the GM of the
Dallas Cowboys and shouldn't have his family making decisions. You
may be right, but no one I know has said, hey,
the Cowboys don't have good players. Haven't drafted good players.
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There's do a good job evaluating drafted players, ceed Lamb
one of them. Well, the Cowboys did a bad job
of last time around. Was the pecking order of deals
getting done and when they were getting done. It's all
a big math equation. What do you do with Dak
Prescott If you redo Dak Prescott's deal. Yes, you save
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money on the cap this year, but then you mean
that makes it where Dak Prescott has to be your
quarterback next year, And I'm not sure they're totally convinced
of that. Is he a great leader?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Is he a good player? Okay, but how many times
do you have to get the playoffs and San Francisco
two years ago, Packers last year? He's just not good enough.
So you have Michaeh Parsons, you have Ceedee Lamb, you
have Dak Prescott. And whether or not there's urgency or not,
the timing of it is really interesting whose deal gets
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done first, when it gets done, and how it gets done.
And I would love it if Jerry Jones drew a
hard and fast, fast line in the sand. All he's
saying is what anybody should be saying. Look, he's under contract.
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There's really no time to have to be negotiate. We
don't have to do anything. Anything we do is out
of the goodness of our hearts. Are managing the camp
in years to come, everything what else is all budgeted for.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think all of us know that ultimately Jerry is
going to relent. Jerry is going to sign CD Lamb
to a long term, big money contract. But the timing
of it and being pushed into it doesn't always mean
that it's the right time for the team. Like the
things you can count on is no matter how hard
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you think. Now, how hard do you think Jerry Jones
is going to hold firm on a stance of keeping
contracts low or whatever he says. No one actually thinks
he won't sign CD Lamb to a long term, big
money contract because it really is a win win. CD
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gets his money and Jerry and Steven Jones get to say, see,
we drafted another guy that's the highest paidlayer in the
league at his position, and I don't think people would
push back on that for Ceede Lamb. But his no
urgency to me signify nothing he's saying is wrong. Everybody
knows he's going to be signed, and it's more about
who's in the pecking order, who gets their deal done first,
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and how they manage leaving money and having the ability
to sign to sign Dak in the future if they
want to. If they want to, I can't see them
not wanting to, because that's what the Cowboys do. But
fascinating bit of sound and oh yeah. By the way,
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Cede Lamb took to social media and put on his
was it on ig or on? I think it was
on Twitter? He put lol when he heard it, I
was on Twitter? And then when Dak was done with
his press conference, he said, listen, I know you're gonna
ask you about it. I think signing CD is urgent
as well. But Jerry's saying there's no urgency doesn't mean
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there's no urgency. It just means what he's saying is
in fact true. They do hold the cards, Will they
use them? Probably not. But the truth the Ceedee Lamb
isn't a free agent for not just this year, but
could be for the next, couldn't be for the next
three years if they don't want to. What's the purpose
of happening to collective bardnoning agreement unless you actually use
the collective Bardin agreement?
Speaker 6 (07:12):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Coming up next in the Herd, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling
in for Colin mark Stein's gonna join us. Just how
big was that win for USA basketball? How does Jason
Tatum actually feel about not playing? And what inferences what
can we what can we take from how that game
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played out to understand the dynamics of this team. What
can we take from it? We'll get into all that next.
I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Excuse me, it's The Herd
on Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. That's twice I've done
that today. I apologize to you, Greg. I apologize to you. Ryan.
I apologize to you Ryan. Just excited. Bob Coosey top rope.
So I just saw this. This is the cous I
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love Bob Coozy, but he's an angry Bostonian. Tatum is
on the cover of Sports Illustrated this month. Any experts
that I read lately have chosen him in the top
five and sometimes number one in the effing world. Now
Kerr is telling the world he doesn't agree. In a
forty minute game, you can't find five minutes to play
somebody in a team without hurting yourself. What Kerr did
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last week, he was in no danger of losing the game,
but in case. In this case, you go down by seventeen.
He's worried about losing the game, and to not let
Tatum get off the bench. To me, there's got to
be some kind of biased against him or against the Celtics.
He's not alone. He's not alone there like what He's
certainly had the opportunity to assess Tatum close up as
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an opponent. Now he's got him. I've been through these
emotions from a coaching standpoint. In nineteen seventy three, I
coached the American team played against the Russians who had
just beaten US in the seventy two Olympics. I had
Bill Walton, Ediey Gregorio, Bobby Jones, George carl I had
a pretty good unit. So I've been through the emotions
from a coaching standpoint. What you deal with an international competition.
Not playing Tatum at all says to the world, not
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only is he not top five, he's not good enough
to get into a close game. I can't figure out
what Kurrs thinking. He's done it twice, we obviously feel
strongly about it. He must think Tatum is a jutriment.
I don't see how he can feel that way. And
know anything about basketball. I love Bob Coosey. I will
defend Bob Coosey playing against plumbers until the day that
I die. But one, there's a little bit of truth
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to what he's saying in that there's a world where
Jason Tatum is a detriment. Stop looking at international basketball
through the lens of the NBA. It is not close.
The same, looks the same, feels the same. It's not
the same. It's officiated far differently, far differently. It literally
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takes you, as a player who has actually played professionally overseas,
it takes you an entire season to feel in any
way comfortable with anything that's done anything. And oh yeah,
by the way, he's not. No one thinks Jason Tatum's
a top five player in the world. Being First Team
All NBA does not mean you're a top five player
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in the world. He's not in the solar system of
Luka Doncik, not close. Do you know why Jason Tatum
doesn't make others better? Jason Tatum is a great scoring wing.
He scores. Is he better in international competition? Is he
as efficient? Is he as dependable as Kevin Durant? No,
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No one thinks that it's basically what it is, like,
who would you choose? Kevin Duranton's thirty five years old,
won an MVP, won a couple NBA finals, and in
the NBA finals he actually produced as opposed to Jason Tatum,
who was terrible in both NBA finals. And I think
Jason Datum's really good. But again, we're looking at through
the eyes the prism of the NBA. Why are we
doing that? Why would we do that? Because that's what
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we do in the NBA. The five best players are
not named Jason Tatum. But just because they're a top
five player and he's a top ten player in the
NBA does not mean in any way that we should
view the Olympics through the prism of the NBA. It's
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a different game, dude. And oh yeah, by the way,
we won. And every time you go to the bench,
you're taking somebody's mind and it's away. It's a lot
like surgery, you know, the more times you go in,
the more times you run the risk of infection. They won,
They look great, he finally looked better. And oh yeah,
by the way, here's the last part to it. There's
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a pretty good chance that Jason Tatum is fighting it.
They came back and won that game because they shared
the ball, because they defended with great energy, they were
super physical. It was a grown man game. He is
not a grown man in comparison to those other dudes.
But listen, if it fulfills your desire to have him
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go in there for five minutes, by all means, do
you think Jason Tatum wants to play five minutes?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And what happens with guys that usually play thirty minutes
thirty five minutes a game and they play for five minutes?
Condensing what you do into that It never works. It's
so hard to do. Mark Stein joins this NBA reporter
and writer. Of course, he has his own substack called
the Steinlein. Then he has a podcast with Chris Haynes
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called This League Uncut. He joins us now in the
Herd on Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio. App Am I am
I wrong? I just I feel like all of these
people who are commenting on Jason Tatum are one They
they they're looking at through the prism of the NBA
and they're not realizing how tough this competition actually is.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Well, the reality is. With apologies to Bob Coosey. The
world is not thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Celtics fans
are wondering and thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Nobody in
the quote world is really focused on that. And the
reality is just the fact that, you know, if this
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is you know, Bob Coosey comes out today with all
this criticism, it just shows you it's just another illustration
of Steve Kerr. You know, they are never expected to lose,
So it is the most second guest coaching job you
can probably have right now because they did almost lose
that game, and everybody's going to have an opinion, but
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the coach is going to do whatever he thinks he
has to do to win. And look, if you want
to really register a concern, the concern is what is
this doing for Tatum psyche in terms of twenty twenty eight?
Is he going to want to come back to this team?
That to me is a valid concern. But Steve Kerr
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is not going to be coaching the Olympic team in
twenty twenty eight, so I'm sure he's not really worried
about write that right now. He's just trying to figure
out how to win so he doesn't come home with
a loss that you know will be on his resume forever.
So I mean that's really And again, I thought the
United States was past wake up calls. I thought they
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had found another gear. I did not expect them to
struggle the way they did yesterday. But they did not
defend anywhere near the level they needed to for three
quarters and it almost cost them to their credits. You know,
they were down seventeen, fifteen, eleven, whatever it was. They
faced all these deficits and found a way out. They
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survived amazingly, so you know, they got out of what
looked like the worst case scenario. But I mean the
other thing here too is Jason Tatum has shot the
ball poorly from distance for a long time now. It
started in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Here's the thing, Okay, I'm sorrying to reup Mark, Like again,
what you're saying is not you. What people are saying
is you know more about players that he has coached
for a month than he does. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Like, just again, and that's the way it all. And look,
you're in for it now too. Everybody can coach. I mean,
that's the world we live in. Every single person in
the world can coach they think they can, so you
know that's and Steve Kerr knows what he signed up for.
He knows he is going unless they win every game
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by twenty five, he is going to be second guests.
Loudly and royally. He knows the deal. He was an
assistant to Greg Popovich, so he's already seen it and
lived it firsthand. You know, I went with that team
to China in twenty nineteen. They finished in seventh. Now
the roster was nowhere near what this ruster is. But
a United States team with NBA players finishing seventh in
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a World Cup. Steve Kerr was on that staff, so
he knows what this is like. He knows what he
signed up for and everything you do will be second guests.
But you know he survived it and got the win,
and you know now they're one win.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Aw.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I was one of the few I don't know where
you were that said I knew, I understood the MBID thing.
Was it in shape when he got there, But he
stuck with him because he knew he would need him
to beat Yokich. You have to have a legit five
like of the places we gotten exposed is can't have
small guards, right, and you can't. You have to have
a legit five and yesterday he was rewarded. Were you
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in the same boat?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, they wanted Embiid, that was a big reason they
wanted Embid. But maybe the biggest reason they wanted em
Beid because they didn't want him to play for France.
It was the United States or France. Those were the
two choices that Embiid was looking at. And so they're thinking,
not only do we need to get him because thighs
and true center play has become a problem for the
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United States, but they even though France has web Ben,
Yama and Gobert, the United States did not want to
see Embiid end up playing on the team that in
the last five years, the United States' closest rival has
been France. France beat them at the tw twenty nineteen
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World Cup, they beat them in the first game of
the Olympics that were played in twenty twenty one. They
played them close in the gold medal game of the
Tokyo Olympics. So the last thing the United States wanted
was Embiid ending up joining that team. But yeah, no question,
I mean Embiid was huge yesterday. I mean Lebron, Curry,
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Durant all huge in the fourth quarter, but they do
not win that game without the way Embiid played as well.
So for all the heat Embiid is taken, you know,
that was certainly a chapter that he enjoyed, as you
can see by everything he has done and said since
the final buzzer of that win over Serbia. And it's
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gonna be it's gonna be really interesting to see how
hostile it gets for him Saturday night in Paris.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's gonna be crazy, right, I mean that's this is
because France traditionally, again not recently, but traditionally, they've been
a massive underachiever in international competition, right, They've they've they've
had collapses. And now frances is waiting for US in
the finals. What what do you think that that one's
gonna be?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Like, I think because the French backcourt is so limited,
that because the US defense was so poor for three
quarters yesterday, I do think Team USA is going to
bounce back and really apply a lot of pressure to
the French guards and try to win the game that
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way with defense. And you know that's been a major
issue for France, they don't really you know, Wemby has
not looked you know, he's looked well short of spectacular
offensively in these Olympics. But part of the problem I
think is much like we saw with the Spurs. I mean,
they don't really have a point guard at all. You know,
Nilakina is getting minutes. Evan Fournier who's always been massive
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playing for the national team and he's been Feeba Fournier
for years, but he hasn't played up to his usual standard.
Nando Dicolo has been there for ages now, like they
just don't have the guard play I think, to keep
up with the kind of defenders that the US can
throw at him. And again it was such a scare.
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I mean, the US trailed yesterday for thirty five minutes.
They only led the game for three minutes and change.
So I just think now that the gold is on
the table, that they're going to come with a lot
of defensive intensity and just make sure that they don't
have another almighty scare like they did against Serbia. But
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France has momentum now and it's going to be an
insane home court advantage. I mean, twenty seven thousand people
rooting for the home team, So it'll be interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
No question. Doug Gottliebin for colinists to hurt Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app I My personal feeling is that it takes
as much ego as Lebron has, and everybody's pointed out
when he thought they were cheering for him and staid
they were cheering for the French swimmer, right, like, there's
a dude who's got a lot of ego. It did
take a sacrifice of ego late in the game. The
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dagger shot that finished him off was the Kevin Durant
mid range pull up, and while they kept the ball
from Steph, Lebron could have gone one on one, instead
went to KD. What do you think do you think,
I guess is the better question. Do you think that
shows a pecking order in terms of go to score
at the end of a game for this team.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Look, I think for the most part in this tournament,
all of these guys and look tad him to his credit,
it's not like he's making waves. I mean, he certainly
can't be happy getting two three dnpcds, but this team
really looks together. They all look bought in. I think
Lebron is a huge part of that. And you know
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there's also the not so. I mean, Lebron is leading
this team and scoring, rebounding in the sixth at thirty
nine and getting ready to play his twenty second season.
So he's had a fantastic Olympics. And I one of
the best parts about yesterday were just all the quotes
that came out of it. Everybody was so honest and raw,
just about how much this means. And you know, they
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know they you know, really probably should have lost, to
be down the whole game and have to escape the
way they did, and Lebron knows it. I mean, the
Lakers are far away from contention. This might be the
last time he's on a stage like this, to win
something like this when the whole world will be watching.
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I mean, the basketball this week has been awesome if
you love basketball. Four quarterfinals on Tuesday, both semifinals yesterday
were great, and now this championship game where France has
home court advantage again. Last five years, France has been
the closest thing to arrival that the United States has had.
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That throwinbin Yama. He hasn't played in high stakes games.
The Spurs don't play any high stakes games, so this
is by far the biggest game of his career. You
bring in the whole EMBIID versus France storyline, and Lebron
has been very open about that. He knows the opportunity
here to get this win, get a third gold medal
on his resume. Durant of course going for his fourth
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gold medal, which would be a record for a men's
basketball player. So it's I mean, the script writers did
well here, all right.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Do you think it's benefits the NBA more if we
win or France wins, because then it's, you know, Wenby's league.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I don't know that there's really an NBA benefit because
even if France pulled off a monumental upset, it's still
not Wenby's league. I mean, the Spurs are still the
Spurs are going to be much better next season. They're
going to be competitive. Chris Paul will make sure of that.
And you know, adding Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes, I
think you're going to see a much more NBA representative
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team than we saw from the Spurs in Wenby's first season.
But you know, the Spurs at going to the playoffs
next year. So we're still a ways away from Wenby's league.
But like I said, I just I can't see the
United States losing now after what happened yesterday and getting
through it. I just think they are going to smother
France with defensive pressure and they're going to get the gold.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Doug Gottliebin for Collin, that's the voice of really the
incomparable Mark Stein. Of course, he writes a substack called
the Steinlin and he has his podcast This League Uncut
with TNT Sideline Man and Yeah who Sports Chris Haynes.
You should download that one anything you want to know
about the NBA. The other thing that has gone on
traditionally on this trip is the hey, we should play
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together sometime, But because these guys are older, most of
them are older, that doesn't feel like the case. And
then you have the three Celtics, so they're not they're
not going anywhere. Does it feel like this team is
different because they're older, they're more set, like the Stephan
Lebron Thing's not going to happen. But this is the
best that we can do, as opposed to years past
when there was sort of the I would always like
to play with that guy sort of deal.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Well, I know my good top Brian Windhorse, who you know,
he now has the gig that I have with the
ESPN where I I did twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, twenty
sixteen with Team USA. He's the Team USA correspondent now
and I you know, I don't I don't know if
he was saying it facetiously or you know. I think
people do wonder why Aunt Edwards be influenced in the
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future by any relationships he's building now. But you know
that's another thing too. Yesterday, you know, Kerr went away
from Anthony Edwards too, and in the group play, Anthony
Edwards was the leading scorer for this team. So it's like,
I don't think Kerr is worrying about anybody's feelings right
now except just win this thing and avoid an international incident.
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I mean, this is this team. You know. I've asked
Grant Hill about this repeatedly since Grant Hill took this
program over. Like in college, he played under a lot
of pressure at Duke they were always expected to win.
But this is even ramped up further. Like when you
play for the United States, when you represent USA basketball,
you are never allowed to lose. Nobody wants to hear
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about Rocks or circumstances, and so I think they're all
just at this point, let's get one more, get to
the finish line. But in terms of yeah, I don't
know that we're seeing any we're seeing any free agent
stuff we need to monitor yet.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Fair enough, he's Mark Stein, He's Mark Stein, He's got
the Stein line. Speaking of which Lakers, are they going
to do anything to add another player before the season starts?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I mean before the season, I don't think so. You know,
they're just this is the reality in this new second
Apron world that just there isn't a move they can
make unless they can shed salary first. And that's what's
kept them. You know, Gary Trent Junior available for the minimum.
I'm sure as a player they would have loved to sign,
but because of the team building restrictions that would be
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that would kick in if they go into the second
You know, they're right, you know, the small pay cut
Lebron took left them literally less than fifty in away
from the second Apron line, So they couldn't even find
Trent to a minimum deal without becoming a second Apron team.
And then you're really in trouble. So it's not for
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a lack of desire, but they would have to find
a way to shit, and you're not gonna the only
way you can ship salary is by attaching draft picks
to it, and you know, trying to trade trade away
a player by putting a second round pick with it.
So they haven't had any luck striking those kind of deals.
So I think they're probably gonna have to go into
the season with the team they have and then see
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what develops on the trade market as the season unfold.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
He's the one and only Mark Stein. Check out a
substack called the Stein Line and download his podcast called
This The Gun Cut Steinny, you're the best man. I
cannot wait for these finals. If they're anywhere near what
the previous games have been, we're in for an absolute tree.
Thanks for being our guest. Uh, let's get to Ryan Music.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Good.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
The new is No No Turns.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Love Mark Stein. Hello, Doug Love Mark Stein. Always great
basketball chat with Mark Stein. But we're going to talk
some NFL here, and the NFL is exploring new technology
to assist officials with ball spotting in close yardage situations.
To determine first downs things of that nature. It's known
as the Sony Hawkey Well Doug. Last night in the
(28:25):
Lions Giants preseason game, we got our first look. It
was a close call on third and five for the Lions,
whether or not they reached the line to gain. They
went to review and essentially what happens is it takes
time for this technology to produce an animated image that
shows the Lions were in fact about a foot or
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two short of the first line marker. Now, the big
drawback here that most people had complaints with One person
on Awful Announcing documented it said it took about three
to four minutes from the start of the review process
for the image to be produced.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And make the final ruling.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
So the NFL experimenting with some new technologies, doing what
they do best, which is try and get ahead on
these new advancements. But it does appear that we are
not necessarily close to this being implemented into a regular
season game just yet.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, I mean, the big thing is that the time
it takes. I get that we all want to get
it right. There is a certain imperfection of sports that
we kind of want to maintain. And yet we don't
want to maintain. It's a very hard one, very hard one.
But yeah, I read about how long that was and
a bit of a debacle, but that's what happened in
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the early stage. It's just why can't we get cyclops
the way they have it in tennis?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, apparently this is.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
The I don't know exactly who does the cyclops in tennis,
but this essentially is the football version of that, to
where you're not actually getting a direct camera feed of oh,
here's the ball and here's where it landed. It's that
animated produced image. Now, how tennis is able to do
it in a much faster fashion than this sony Hawkeye technology,
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I can't say specifically, but that's what it's trending towards.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Got it? What else?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
All Right, we'll go to the Olympics now and we'll
touch on the women's basketball team. Another win, another dominant
win for the US women's basketball team, this time over Australia,
and they now advance it to the gold medal game.
Final score of that game was eighty five to sixty four.
So another route for the US women's team and as
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they continue to breeze through this tournament, just kind of
has people questioning. You know, Colin was a big proponent
of getting Caitlin Clark and or Angel Reese on this
roster so that they could get some minutes during these blowouts.
How are you feeling about that as they appear to
be on the cusp of winning another gold medal?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Have you watched any of them's basketball?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I have only watched at times while at work or yes,
for the answer is no, I have not gone out
of my way in my own personal downtime.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, okay, this is a really good test here, Okay,
and to it you can hop in on this. Over
the last couple of months, have you gone out of
your way to watch either the NCAA tournament or watch
the WNBA?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yes, Had you ever previously in your life gone out
of your way to watch the WNBA?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
No? No, not off the top of my head. No,
I can't think of an instance.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
USA women's basketball are the dumbest human beings in the
face of the earth. There's just dumb. There's jump. Now,
there's a bunch of reasons to it. We could say
just jealousy is up one, but I mean their coach
is completely jealous of the attention that she's got and
she's basically done the shooter McGavin. We were too busy winning. Like, look,
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here's the thing. The women's team is one how many
in a row?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
If something crazy, I think it's this will be eighth.
I think it would be the eighth gold medal row.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Right, I believe that did anybody pay Did anybody know
anything about the previous seven teams?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The only reason we would have cared was because Caitlin
Clark was on it. And stop with the Angel Reese thing.
It's so disingenuous. Oh my god, we gotta talk about
Angel rees and give it an equal time. It's not politics.
We don't have to give her equal time. And shooting
the ball at the bottom of the rim to yourself
multiple times to get rebounds. That doesn't intrigue America what
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Caitlin Clark does. And oh yeah, by the way, they're winning.
But the idea that they had to see her do
it in the WNBA, like, dude, stop, it's a completely
different way of selecting a team, even than the men's team. Right,
because the men we knew they'd be challenged. We knew it,
and you had to find somebody who'd be happy not playing,
and we don't know if Jason Tatum's not happy not playing.
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Tyrese Halburton to this point hasn't said boom. So the
point is women were gonna win regardless, but we were
only gonna pay attention if she was on the team.
She's not on the team, so why should I pay
attention to Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I think that sort of the big difference, and is
that I guess maybe they felt the pressure that if
she was on the team, they needed to put her
in the starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
But I think most people, no one.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Would have said that that's completely made up, completely made up.
I'm saying, By the way, if you don't want somebody saying, hey,
why aren't you playing like Jason Damm, don't take the job.
It's really really simple. Don't take the job. Like you know,
if you take over USA basketball, you gonna have twelve
dudes and you can't play twelve dudes and games that matter,
and there's given me games that matter. It's a different
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sport and you're gonna have to make some hard decisions. Okay,
don't take the women's national team job if you can't
take a tough decision going like hey, I didn't player
just because it's didn't put in no rotation.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Don't do my job. Don't do that job. That's what
the job is. Lots of people can organize and can
when you get the players to respect you, Can you
deliver the right messages? Can you handle the egos and
reputation like that's what the job is. That's like a
janitor coming in and going, I don't want to clean toilets, Well,
then you probably can't be custodial services. Right, I thought,
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what else?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
That's all we got for this hour.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
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Stuck gottlieb In for Colin. This is the Herd Fox
Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. Perfection is something you should reach for,
but it's not really attainable. And I'll give you the
perfect example that is well Brandon Ayuk. Brand Ayuk reportedly
turned down thirty two million, thirty two million year average,
(35:47):
four years, one hundred and twenty eight million dollar contract
due to concerns of the Patriots quarterbacks. That's pretty athletic.
So I actually think this is of a societal thing
right where we truly truly reach for perfection. I mean,
it's not the first plastic surgery that makes people look
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like there's some cartoonish character. It's the multiple surgeries, because
what happens is you get the first surgery, You're like, ooh,
can you just I've always hated this about my face
that I've always hated this about my nose, And then
they do it and you're like, oh, that's a little
bit better. It's not perfect, it's a little bit better.
What if you just took the bags out from under
my eyes? And then there's another surgery and another one
(36:33):
and another one, and pretty soon, you know, you look
like a space creature and they're like, well we got
a fillers here and that there, and you just everyone
knows somebody or has seen somebody on social media that's
gone through too much plastic surgery.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
All that is is a chase for perfection. It's the
same thing with college athletics. We had a really good system.
Now you try to perfect it. Hey, let's pay players
and you open up a whole new Pandora's box, And
now is it worse? Is it better? It's definitely not perfect,
you know. So Brandon Ayuk like, look, dude, if you
(37:08):
want a contract, now here's the contract you want. Oh
is that what the team I want? Yeah? Well, listen,
you can't get perfect here's John Middlecoff last hour when
asked why are yuk might not be going anywhere?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Yeah, to me, it feels like at this point he's
kind of stuck, like where's it going. I think they
lit a fire in because imagine if me and you
ran the Browns and the Niners have a pretty good
idea like he's never gonna accept their contract. So they
negotiated trade and then who do you think leaked out
that Amari Cooper was in the trade? The Browns wouldn't
(37:41):
do that, right, The Niners did.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
So.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I think the Niners have tried every tactic possible to
be like Brandon, you're stuck in the in this modern.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Nice way, stug gottlieb In for Colin. This is the Herd.
That's John Middlecoff hosted a three and Out podcast earlier today.
He's like, Hey, you're stuck. Sorry, that's the deal. You
had a chance to go and play for more money,
but you would have played in relative obscurity with quarterbacks
(38:10):
you don't think are very good in New England where
it's cold and you're not gonna play in the playoffs.
In this world of Hey, why don't you bet on yourself?
Why won't he bet on himself. Now, the truth is
the Niners don't have to They don't have to give
a new contract next year or the following year that
to pay him through the nose with the franchise tag
(38:31):
and it'll hurt them against the cap, but they don't
have to pay them. Don't do anything. They have to
pay more money, but it's a one year deal. I'm
just always fascinated by how many people just take the clubs,
take the player's side, just to take the player's side. Look,
this is the collective bar in agreement. This is what
you agreed to. You have tried to force the trade.
(38:52):
They presented a trade to you that paid you the
amount of money. Wan Like, yeah, I don't like that team. Like, okay,
if you like the team you're on, Yes, he's in.
The reason the Niners work is because brock Purty doesn't
make any money. All of that is changing next year.
Brock Purty makes no money this year, so they don't
have much money. They can spread it out on Debo
(39:15):
and Fred Warner and and I mean you name it.
You kind of go through the Niners roster and you're like, wow,
there's like six dudes who are as good or better
at what they do and how they play than anybody
else in football. Christian McCaffrey vote the top five player.
That's where all your money goes, and the money is
(39:38):
going to go to brock Purty. I'm not as in
on brock Purty as they are, but again, I don't
watch them every day in practice. I don't know what
they're looking for. I think that brock Purty's lack of
true arm talent is going to ultimately come back and
get them, just like it did last year. But I
could be wrong. Kyle Shanahan has forgotten more about quarterback
play within his offense, and I'll ever know. The reason
(40:00):
it truly works is they're an ensemble cast and the
only way you get ensemble cast is somebody's gotta take
a little less money, and right now it's brock forty
not taking any and it doesn't feel like Brandon a
Yuk because it wants to come off it. The only
difference is the only team to this point willing to
give him the money he wants is a team he
doesn't want to play for. This team he doesn't want
(40:20):
to play for all right, got a tremendous third hour
of the show for you. We got some beef with
me and j Mack as he's on this like almost
feels like he's a relative of Jason Tatum and that
why didn't Datum play? Why didn't Tatum play? Eric Mangini
(40:42):
is gonna join us next hour as well, the man genius.
We'll ask him about Brandon Ayok, what do you do there?
And I guess now you just wait it out, Just
wait it out. Plus we got I think the real
story of what took place in Paris yesterday. I'll also
(41:05):
say this, and we'll get to the team USA and
their comeback win over Serbia top of the hour. But
in the coolest things you can attend, or maybe the
coolest thing you could play in as a player, Like
how amazing would it be for those guys. Lebron James
(41:25):
didn't play in college, Kevin rant played in college but
only for one year. Kind of go back through the
list of all of those guys now limited their experiences
in the one game championship game on the road against
the talented French team where you are literally playing five
on eight. I thought the officiating yesterday was putrid, but
(41:46):
I thought it was equally putrid that makes any sense, Like, yeah,
I don't really know what a fowl is. I really
don't know what a foul is, and just everything you
when you play coach oversees, you're like, I gotta forget
everything I know about basketball because they look at it
completely differently. But think about that Paris, France, gigantic stadium,
(42:10):
true road game against the home team of quality players.
Don't get much better than that, How they get there.
What is the one thing you should remember most about
the comeback win against Serbia? I'll tell you next. I'm
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Gallingy be in for Colin Cowherd. So, how are things
going with the Cowboys now reportedly in Oxnard? For the
Cowboys are trained for years. There's small crowds if even
(00:55):
we're gatherings. In terms of their fan base, now there's
a lot you can attest to. I mean, the first
thing is that the RAMS camp is in Orange County.
The Chargers are now in Los Angeles. They moved, you know,
they moved to their new facility which is actually in
El Segundo in Los Angeles County. So the Cowboys used
(01:17):
to be the one team to stick their flag in
the ground in southern California, and they were still the Cowboys,
so they were super popular. I think some of it
is the popularity of those other two teams, the proximity tip,
but a lot of it is I think even Cowboy
fans are like, don't tell me you're pregnant, show me
the baby. And they've been really close. They put together
(01:40):
consistent double digit win seasons. But the collapse against the
Green Bay Packers last year in the playoffs, the two
untimely interceptions by Dak in that first half. I mean, look,
you lose to a team whose defense is so bad
that ultimately they fired their defensive coordinator. You know, what
do you? What do you do? So there's a lot
(02:03):
of questions about Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Drones. You know,
I don't know if he I don't know if he
intentionally tried to get everybody's attention. I mean, I'm guessing
he did. Here was Jerry Jones asked yesterday about Cede
(02:25):
Lamb's negotiations.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I went to Oscar or I went to college.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't want to say that, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't have a sense I heard say about getting
that due.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Any reason. You won't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
See all the laugh and all the yuck yuck and
all the all the chuckling. Here's John Middlekoff last hour
talking about cdee lambsteal.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You know you're going to pay him. But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty hundred thirty guaranteed for a
non quarterback are just typically pretty tough, and there's a
lot of back and forth. But eventually these teams sign it.
The number is going to be astronomical. Why not get
them into camp right now and make sure he's in
shaved and ready to role.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think that if we can admit a couple of
things right, there will be people that will always say, well,
you know, Jerry Jones shouldn't be the GM of the
Dallas Cowboys and shouldn't have his family making decisions. You
may be right, but no one I know has said, hey,
the Cowboys don't have good players. Haven't drafted good players.
(03:36):
There's do a good job evaluating drafted players, ceed Lamb
one of them. Well, the Cowboys did a bad job
of last time around. Was the pecking order of deals
getting done and when they were getting done. It's all
a big math equation. What do you do with Dak
Prescott If you redo Dak Prescott's deal. Yes, you save
(03:58):
money on the cap this year, but then you mean
that makes it where Dak Prescott has to be your
quarterback next year, And I'm not sure they're totally convinced
of that. Is he a great leader?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Is he a good player? Okay, but how many times
do you have to get the playoffs and San Francisco
two years ago, Packers last year? He's just not good enough.
So you have Michaeh Parsons, you have Ceedee Lamb, you
have Dak Prescott. And whether or not there's urgency or not,
the timing of it is really interesting whose deal gets
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done first, when it gets done, and how it gets done.
And I would love it if Jerry Jones drew a
hard and fast, fast line in the sand. All he's
saying is what anybody should be saying. Look, he's under contract.
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There's really no time to have to be negotiate. We
don't have to do anything. Anything we do is out
of the goodness of our hearts. Are managing the camp
in years to come, everything what else is all budgeted for.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think all of us know that ultimately Jerry is
going to relent. Jerry is going to sign CD Lamb
to a long term, big money contract. But the timing
of it and being pushed into it doesn't always mean
that it's the right time for the team. Like the
things you can count on is no matter how hard
(05:25):
you think. Now, how hard do you think Jerry Jones
is going to hold firm on a stance of keeping
contracts low or whatever he says. No one actually thinks
he won't sign CD Lamb to a long term, big
money contract because it really is a win win. CD
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gets his money and Jerry and Steven Jones get to say, see,
we drafted another guy that's the highest paidlayer in the
league at his position, and I don't think people would
push back on that for Ceede Lamb. But his no
urgency to me signify nothing he's saying is wrong. Everybody
knows he's going to be signed, and it's more about
who's in the pecking order, who gets their deal done first,
(06:08):
and how they manage leaving money and having the ability
to sign to sign Dak in the future if they
want to. If they want to, I can't see them
not wanting to, because that's what the Cowboys do. But
fascinating bit of sound and oh yeah. By the way,
(06:29):
Cede Lamb took to social media and put on his
was it on ig or on? I think it was
on Twitter? He put lol when he heard it, I
was on Twitter? And then when Dak was done with
his press conference, he said, listen, I know you're gonna
ask you about it. I think signing CD is urgent
as well. But Jerry's saying there's no urgency doesn't mean
(06:51):
there's no urgency. It just means what he's saying is
in fact true. They do hold the cards, Will they
use them? Probably not. But the truth the Ceedee Lamb
isn't a free agent for not just this year, but
could be for the next, couldn't be for the next
three years if they don't want to. What's the purpose
of happening to collective bardnoning agreement unless you actually use
the collective Bardin agreement?
Speaker 6 (07:12):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Coming up next in the Herd, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling
in for Colin mark Stein's gonna join us. Just how
big was that win for USA basketball? How does Jason
Tatum actually feel about not playing? And what inferences what
can we what can we take from how that game
(07:35):
played out to understand the dynamics of this team. What
can we take from it? We'll get into all that next.
I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Excuse me, it's The Herd
on Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. That's twice I've done
that today. I apologize to you, Greg. I apologize to you. Ryan.
I apologize to you Ryan. Just excited. Bob Coosey top rope.
So I just saw this. This is the cous I
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love Bob Coozy, but he's an angry Bostonian. Tatum is
on the cover of Sports Illustrated this month. Any experts
that I read lately have chosen him in the top
five and sometimes number one in the effing world. Now
Kerr is telling the world he doesn't agree. In a
forty minute game, you can't find five minutes to play
somebody in a team without hurting yourself. What Kerr did
(08:39):
last week, he was in no danger of losing the game,
but in case. In this case, you go down by seventeen.
He's worried about losing the game, and to not let
Tatum get off the bench. To me, there's got to
be some kind of biased against him or against the Celtics.
He's not alone. He's not alone there like what He's
certainly had the opportunity to assess Tatum close up as
(09:03):
an opponent. Now he's got him. I've been through these
emotions from a coaching standpoint. In nineteen seventy three, I
coached the American team played against the Russians who had
just beaten US in the seventy two Olympics. I had
Bill Walton, Ediey Gregorio, Bobby Jones, George carl I had
a pretty good unit. So I've been through the emotions
from a coaching standpoint. What you deal with an international competition.
Not playing Tatum at all says to the world, not
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only is he not top five, he's not good enough
to get into a close game. I can't figure out
what Kurrs thinking. He's done it twice, we obviously feel
strongly about it. He must think Tatum is a jutriment.
I don't see how he can feel that way. And
know anything about basketball. I love Bob Coosey. I will
defend Bob Coosey playing against plumbers until the day that
I die. But one, there's a little bit of truth
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to what he's saying in that there's a world where
Jason Tatum is a detriment. Stop looking at international basketball
through the lens of the NBA. It is not close.
The same, looks the same, feels the same. It's not
the same. It's officiated far differently, far differently. It literally
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takes you, as a player who has actually played professionally overseas,
it takes you an entire season to feel in any
way comfortable with anything that's done anything. And oh yeah,
by the way, he's not. No one thinks Jason Tatum's
a top five player in the world. Being First Team
All NBA does not mean you're a top five player
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in the world. He's not in the solar system of
Luka Doncik, not close. Do you know why Jason Tatum
doesn't make others better? Jason Tatum is a great scoring wing.
He scores. Is he better in international competition? Is he
as efficient? Is he as dependable as Kevin Durant? No,
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No one thinks that it's basically what it is, like,
who would you choose? Kevin Duranton's thirty five years old,
won an MVP, won a couple NBA finals, and in
the NBA finals he actually produced as opposed to Jason Tatum,
who was terrible in both NBA finals. And I think
Jason Datum's really good. But again, we're looking at through
the eyes the prism of the NBA. Why are we
doing that? Why would we do that? Because that's what
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we do in the NBA. The five best players are
not named Jason Tatum. But just because they're a top
five player and he's a top ten player in the
NBA does not mean in any way that we should
view the Olympics through the prism of the NBA. It's
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a different game, dude. And oh yeah, by the way,
we won. And every time you go to the bench,
you're taking somebody's mind and it's away. It's a lot
like surgery, you know, the more times you go in,
the more times you run the risk of infection. They won,
They look great, he finally looked better. And oh yeah,
by the way, here's the last part to it. There's
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a pretty good chance that Jason Tatum is fighting it.
They came back and won that game because they shared
the ball, because they defended with great energy, they were
super physical. It was a grown man game. He is
not a grown man in comparison to those other dudes.
But listen, if it fulfills your desire to have him
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go in there for five minutes, by all means, do
you think Jason Tatum wants to play five minutes?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And what happens with guys that usually play thirty minutes
thirty five minutes a game and they play for five minutes?
Condensing what you do into that It never works. It's
so hard to do. Mark Stein joins this NBA reporter
and writer. Of course, he has his own substack called
the Steinlein. Then he has a podcast with Chris Haynes
(13:01):
called This League Uncut. He joins us now in the
Herd on Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio. App Am I am
I wrong? I just I feel like all of these
people who are commenting on Jason Tatum are one They
they they're looking at through the prism of the NBA
and they're not realizing how tough this competition actually is.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Well, the reality is. With apologies to Bob Coosey. The
world is not thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Celtics fans
are wondering and thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Nobody in
the quote world is really focused on that. And the
reality is just the fact that, you know, if this
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is you know, Bob Coosey comes out today with all
this criticism, it just shows you it's just another illustration
of Steve Kerr. You know, they are never expected to lose,
So it is the most second guest coaching job you
can probably have right now because they did almost lose
that game, and everybody's going to have an opinion, but
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the coach is going to do whatever he thinks he
has to do to win. And look, if you want
to really register a concern, the concern is what is
this doing for Tatum psyche in terms of twenty twenty eight?
Is he going to want to come back to this team?
That to me is a valid concern. But Steve Kerr
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is not going to be coaching the Olympic team in
twenty twenty eight, so I'm sure he's not really worried
about write that right now. He's just trying to figure
out how to win so he doesn't come home with
a loss that you know will be on his resume forever.
So I mean that's really And again, I thought the
United States was past wake up calls. I thought they
(14:49):
had found another gear. I did not expect them to
struggle the way they did yesterday. But they did not
defend anywhere near the level they needed to for three
quarters and it almost cost them to their credits. You know,
they were down seventeen, fifteen, eleven, whatever it was. They
faced all these deficits and found a way out. They
(15:12):
survived amazingly, so you know, they got out of what
looked like the worst case scenario. But I mean the
other thing here too is Jason Tatum has shot the
ball poorly from distance for a long time now. It
started in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Here's the thing, Okay, I'm sorrying to reup Mark, Like again,
what you're saying is not you. What people are saying
is you know more about players that he has coached
for a month than he does. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Like, just again, and that's the way it all. And look,
you're in for it now too. Everybody can coach. I mean,
that's the world we live in. Every single person in
the world can coach they think they can, so you
know that's and Steve Kerr knows what he signed up for.
He knows he is going unless they win every game
(16:05):
by twenty five, he is going to be second guests.
Loudly and royally. He knows the deal. He was an
assistant to Greg Popovich, so he's already seen it and
lived it firsthand. You know, I went with that team
to China in twenty nineteen. They finished in seventh. Now
the roster was nowhere near what this ruster is. But
a United States team with NBA players finishing seventh in
(16:28):
a World Cup. Steve Kerr was on that staff, so
he knows what this is like. He knows what he
signed up for and everything you do will be second guests.
But you know he survived it and got the win,
and you know now they're one win.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Aw.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I was one of the few I don't know where
you were that said I knew, I understood the MBID thing.
Was it in shape when he got there, But he
stuck with him because he knew he would need him
to beat Yokich. You have to have a legit five
like of the places we gotten exposed is can't have
small guards, right, and you can't. You have to have
a legit five and yesterday he was rewarded. Were you
(17:10):
in the same boat?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, they wanted Embiid, that was a big reason they
wanted Embid. But maybe the biggest reason they wanted em
Beid because they didn't want him to play for France.
It was the United States or France. Those were the
two choices that Embiid was looking at. And so they're thinking,
not only do we need to get him because thighs
and true center play has become a problem for the
(17:32):
United States, but they even though France has web Ben,
Yama and Gobert, the United States did not want to
see Embiid end up playing on the team that in
the last five years, the United States' closest rival has
been France. France beat them at the tw twenty nineteen
(17:52):
World Cup, they beat them in the first game of
the Olympics that were played in twenty twenty one. They
played them close in the gold medal game of the
Tokyo Olympics. So the last thing the United States wanted
was Embiid ending up joining that team. But yeah, no question,
I mean Embiid was huge yesterday. I mean Lebron, Curry,
(18:13):
Durant all huge in the fourth quarter, but they do
not win that game without the way Embiid played as well.
So for all the heat Embiid is taken, you know,
that was certainly a chapter that he enjoyed, as you
can see by everything he has done and said since
the final buzzer of that win over Serbia. And it's
(18:34):
gonna be it's gonna be really interesting to see how
hostile it gets for him Saturday night in Paris.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's gonna be crazy, right, I mean that's this is
because France traditionally, again not recently, but traditionally, they've been
a massive underachiever in international competition, right, They've they've they've
had collapses. And now frances is waiting for US in
the finals. What what do you think that that one's
gonna be?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Like, I think because the French backcourt is so limited,
that because the US defense was so poor for three
quarters yesterday, I do think Team USA is going to
bounce back and really apply a lot of pressure to
the French guards and try to win the game that
(19:20):
way with defense. And you know that's been a major
issue for France, they don't really you know, Wemby has
not looked you know, he's looked well short of spectacular
offensively in these Olympics. But part of the problem I
think is much like we saw with the Spurs. I mean,
they don't really have a point guard at all. You know,
Nilakina is getting minutes. Evan Fournier who's always been massive
(19:44):
playing for the national team and he's been Feeba Fournier
for years, but he hasn't played up to his usual standard.
Nando Dicolo has been there for ages now, like they
just don't have the guard play I think, to keep
up with the kind of defenders that the US can
throw at him. And again it was such a scare.
(20:04):
I mean, the US trailed yesterday for thirty five minutes.
They only led the game for three minutes and change.
So I just think now that the gold is on
the table, that they're going to come with a lot
of defensive intensity and just make sure that they don't
have another almighty scare like they did against Serbia. But
(20:27):
France has momentum now and it's going to be an
insane home court advantage. I mean, twenty seven thousand people
rooting for the home team, So it'll be interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
No question. Doug Gottliebin for colinists to hurt Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app I My personal feeling is that it takes
as much ego as Lebron has, and everybody's pointed out
when he thought they were cheering for him and staid
they were cheering for the French swimmer, right, like, there's
a dude who's got a lot of ego. It did
take a sacrifice of ego late in the game. The
(21:02):
dagger shot that finished him off was the Kevin Durant
mid range pull up, and while they kept the ball
from Steph, Lebron could have gone one on one, instead
went to KD. What do you think do you think,
I guess is the better question. Do you think that
shows a pecking order in terms of go to score
at the end of a game for this team.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Look, I think for the most part in this tournament,
all of these guys and look tad him to his credit,
it's not like he's making waves. I mean, he certainly
can't be happy getting two three dnpcds, but this team
really looks together. They all look bought in. I think
Lebron is a huge part of that. And you know
(21:45):
there's also the not so. I mean, Lebron is leading
this team and scoring, rebounding in the sixth at thirty
nine and getting ready to play his twenty second season.
So he's had a fantastic Olympics. And I one of
the best parts about yesterday were just all the quotes
that came out of it. Everybody was so honest and raw,
just about how much this means. And you know, they
(22:05):
know they you know, really probably should have lost, to
be down the whole game and have to escape the
way they did, and Lebron knows it. I mean, the
Lakers are far away from contention. This might be the
last time he's on a stage like this, to win
something like this when the whole world will be watching.
(22:25):
I mean, the basketball this week has been awesome if
you love basketball. Four quarterfinals on Tuesday, both semifinals yesterday
were great, and now this championship game where France has
home court advantage again. Last five years, France has been
the closest thing to arrival that the United States has had.
(22:46):
That throwinbin Yama. He hasn't played in high stakes games.
The Spurs don't play any high stakes games, so this
is by far the biggest game of his career. You
bring in the whole EMBIID versus France storyline, and Lebron
has been very open about that. He knows the opportunity
here to get this win, get a third gold medal
on his resume. Durant of course going for his fourth
(23:08):
gold medal, which would be a record for a men's
basketball player. So it's I mean, the script writers did
well here, all right.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Do you think it's benefits the NBA more if we
win or France wins, because then it's, you know, Wenby's league.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I don't know that there's really an NBA benefit because
even if France pulled off a monumental upset, it's still
not Wenby's league. I mean, the Spurs are still the
Spurs are going to be much better next season. They're
going to be competitive. Chris Paul will make sure of that.
And you know, adding Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes, I
think you're going to see a much more NBA representative
(23:46):
team than we saw from the Spurs in Wenby's first season.
But you know, the Spurs at going to the playoffs
next year. So we're still a ways away from Wenby's league.
But like I said, I just I can't see the
United States losing now after what happened yesterday and getting
through it. I just think they are going to smother
France with defensive pressure and they're going to get the gold.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Doug Gottliebin for Collin, that's the voice of really the
incomparable Mark Stein. Of course, he writes a substack called
the Steinlin and he has his podcast This League Uncut
with TNT Sideline Man and Yeah who Sports Chris Haynes.
You should download that one anything you want to know
about the NBA. The other thing that has gone on
traditionally on this trip is the hey, we should play
(24:33):
together sometime, But because these guys are older, most of
them are older, that doesn't feel like the case. And
then you have the three Celtics, so they're not they're
not going anywhere. Does it feel like this team is
different because they're older, they're more set, like the Stephan
Lebron Thing's not going to happen. But this is the
best that we can do, as opposed to years past
when there was sort of the I would always like
to play with that guy sort of deal.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Well, I know my good top Brian Windhorse, who you know,
he now has the gig that I have with the
ESPN where I I did twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, twenty
sixteen with Team USA. He's the Team USA correspondent now
and I you know, I don't I don't know if
he was saying it facetiously or you know. I think
people do wonder why Aunt Edwards be influenced in the
(25:15):
future by any relationships he's building now. But you know
that's another thing too. Yesterday, you know, Kerr went away
from Anthony Edwards too, and in the group play, Anthony
Edwards was the leading scorer for this team. So it's like,
I don't think Kerr is worrying about anybody's feelings right
now except just win this thing and avoid an international incident.
(25:36):
I mean, this is this team. You know. I've asked
Grant Hill about this repeatedly since Grant Hill took this
program over. Like in college, he played under a lot
of pressure at Duke they were always expected to win.
But this is even ramped up further. Like when you
play for the United States, when you represent USA basketball,
you are never allowed to lose. Nobody wants to hear
(25:59):
about Rocks or circumstances, and so I think they're all
just at this point, let's get one more, get to
the finish line. But in terms of yeah, I don't
know that we're seeing any we're seeing any free agent
stuff we need to monitor yet.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Fair enough, he's Mark Stein, He's Mark Stein, He's got
the Stein line. Speaking of which Lakers, are they going
to do anything to add another player before the season starts?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I mean before the season, I don't think so. You know,
they're just this is the reality in this new second
Apron world that just there isn't a move they can
make unless they can shed salary first. And that's what's
kept them. You know, Gary Trent Junior available for the minimum.
I'm sure as a player they would have loved to sign,
but because of the team building restrictions that would be
(26:51):
that would kick in if they go into the second
You know, they're right, you know, the small pay cut
Lebron took left them literally less than fifty in away
from the second Apron line, So they couldn't even find
Trent to a minimum deal without becoming a second Apron team.
And then you're really in trouble. So it's not for
(27:12):
a lack of desire, but they would have to find
a way to shit, and you're not gonna the only
way you can ship salary is by attaching draft picks
to it, and you know, trying to trade trade away
a player by putting a second round pick with it.
So they haven't had any luck striking those kind of deals.
So I think they're probably gonna have to go into
the season with the team they have and then see
(27:34):
what develops on the trade market as the season unfold.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
He's the one and only Mark Stein. Check out a
substack called the Stein Line and download his podcast called
This The Gun Cut Steinny, you're the best man. I
cannot wait for these finals. If they're anywhere near what
the previous games have been, we're in for an absolute tree.
Thanks for being our guest. Uh, let's get to Ryan Music.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Good.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
The new is No No Turns.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Love Mark Stein. Hello, Doug Love Mark Stein. Always great
basketball chat with Mark Stein. But we're going to talk
some NFL here, and the NFL is exploring new technology
to assist officials with ball spotting in close yardage situations.
To determine first downs things of that nature. It's known
as the Sony Hawkey Well Doug. Last night in the
(28:25):
Lions Giants preseason game, we got our first look. It
was a close call on third and five for the Lions,
whether or not they reached the line to gain. They
went to review and essentially what happens is it takes
time for this technology to produce an animated image that
shows the Lions were in fact about a foot or
(28:47):
two short of the first line marker. Now, the big
drawback here that most people had complaints with One person
on Awful Announcing documented it said it took about three
to four minutes from the start of the review process
for the image to be produced.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And make the final ruling.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
So the NFL experimenting with some new technologies, doing what
they do best, which is try and get ahead on
these new advancements. But it does appear that we are
not necessarily close to this being implemented into a regular
season game just yet.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, I mean, the big thing is that the time
it takes. I get that we all want to get
it right. There is a certain imperfection of sports that
we kind of want to maintain. And yet we don't
want to maintain. It's a very hard one, very hard one.
But yeah, I read about how long that was and
a bit of a debacle, but that's what happened in
(29:43):
the early stage. It's just why can't we get cyclops
the way they have it in tennis?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, apparently this is.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
The I don't know exactly who does the cyclops in tennis,
but this essentially is the football version of that, to
where you're not actually getting a direct camera feed of oh,
here's the ball and here's where it landed. It's that
animated produced image. Now, how tennis is able to do
it in a much faster fashion than this sony Hawkeye technology,
(30:15):
I can't say specifically, but that's what it's trending towards.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Got it? What else?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
All Right, we'll go to the Olympics now and we'll
touch on the women's basketball team. Another win, another dominant
win for the US women's basketball team, this time over Australia,
and they now advance it to the gold medal game.
Final score of that game was eighty five to sixty four.
So another route for the US women's team and as
(30:41):
they continue to breeze through this tournament, just kind of
has people questioning. You know, Colin was a big proponent
of getting Caitlin Clark and or Angel Reese on this
roster so that they could get some minutes during these blowouts.
How are you feeling about that as they appear to
be on the cusp of winning another gold medal?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Have you watched any of them's basketball?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I have only watched at times while at work or yes,
for the answer is no, I have not gone out
of my way in my own personal downtime.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, okay, this is a really good test here, Okay,
and to it you can hop in on this. Over
the last couple of months, have you gone out of
your way to watch either the NCAA tournament or watch
the WNBA?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yes, Had you ever previously in your life gone out
of your way to watch the WNBA?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
No? No, not off the top of my head. No,
I can't think of an instance.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
USA women's basketball are the dumbest human beings in the
face of the earth. There's just dumb. There's jump. Now,
there's a bunch of reasons to it. We could say
just jealousy is up one, but I mean their coach
is completely jealous of the attention that she's got and
she's basically done the shooter McGavin. We were too busy winning. Like, look,
(31:56):
here's the thing. The women's team is one how many
in a row?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
If something crazy, I think it's this will be eighth.
I think it would be the eighth gold medal row.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Right, I believe that did anybody pay Did anybody know
anything about the previous seven teams?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The only reason we would have cared was because Caitlin
Clark was on it. And stop with the Angel Reese thing.
It's so disingenuous. Oh my god, we gotta talk about
Angel rees and give it an equal time. It's not politics.
We don't have to give her equal time. And shooting
the ball at the bottom of the rim to yourself
multiple times to get rebounds. That doesn't intrigue America what
(32:32):
Caitlin Clark does. And oh yeah, by the way, they're winning.
But the idea that they had to see her do
it in the WNBA, like, dude, stop, it's a completely
different way of selecting a team, even than the men's team. Right,
because the men we knew they'd be challenged. We knew it,
and you had to find somebody who'd be happy not playing,
and we don't know if Jason Tatum's not happy not playing.
(32:55):
Tyrese Halburton to this point hasn't said boom. So the
point is women were gonna win regardless, but we were
only gonna pay attention if she was on the team.
She's not on the team, so why should I pay
attention to Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I think that sort of the big difference, and is
that I guess maybe they felt the pressure that if
she was on the team, they needed to put her
in the starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
But I think most people, no one.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Would have said that that's completely made up, completely made up.
I'm saying, By the way, if you don't want somebody saying, hey,
why aren't you playing like Jason Damm, don't take the job.
It's really really simple. Don't take the job. Like you know,
if you take over USA basketball, you gonna have twelve
dudes and you can't play twelve dudes and games that matter,
and there's given me games that matter. It's a different
(33:40):
sport and you're gonna have to make some hard decisions. Okay,
don't take the women's national team job if you can't
take a tough decision going like hey, I didn't player
just because it's didn't put in no rotation.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Don't do my job. Don't do that job. That's what
the job is. Lots of people can organize and can
when you get the players to respect you, Can you
deliver the right messages? Can you handle the egos and
reputation like that's what the job is. That's like a
janitor coming in and going, I don't want to clean toilets, Well,
then you probably can't be custodial services. Right, I thought,
(34:15):
what else?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
That's all we got for this hour.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
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I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Those are some
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Speaker 3 (35:22):
Stuck gottlieb In for Colin. This is the Herd Fox
Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. Perfection is something you should reach for,
but it's not really attainable. And I'll give you the
perfect example that is well Brandon Ayuk. Brand Ayuk reportedly
turned down thirty two million, thirty two million year average,
(35:47):
four years, one hundred and twenty eight million dollar contract
due to concerns of the Patriots quarterbacks. That's pretty athletic.
So I actually think this is of a societal thing
right where we truly truly reach for perfection. I mean,
it's not the first plastic surgery that makes people look
(36:11):
like there's some cartoonish character. It's the multiple surgeries, because
what happens is you get the first surgery, You're like, ooh,
can you just I've always hated this about my face
that I've always hated this about my nose, And then
they do it and you're like, oh, that's a little
bit better. It's not perfect, it's a little bit better.
What if you just took the bags out from under
my eyes? And then there's another surgery and another one
(36:33):
and another one, and pretty soon, you know, you look
like a space creature and they're like, well we got
a fillers here and that there, and you just everyone
knows somebody or has seen somebody on social media that's
gone through too much plastic surgery.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
All that is is a chase for perfection. It's the
same thing with college athletics. We had a really good system.
Now you try to perfect it. Hey, let's pay players
and you open up a whole new Pandora's box, And
now is it worse? Is it better? It's definitely not perfect,
you know. So Brandon Ayuk like, look, dude, if you
(37:08):
want a contract, now here's the contract you want. Oh
is that what the team I want? Yeah? Well, listen,
you can't get perfect here's John Middlecoff last hour when
asked why are yuk might not be going anywhere?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Yeah, to me, it feels like at this point he's
kind of stuck, like where's it going. I think they
lit a fire in because imagine if me and you
ran the Browns and the Niners have a pretty good
idea like he's never gonna accept their contract. So they
negotiated trade and then who do you think leaked out
that Amari Cooper was in the trade? The Browns wouldn't
(37:41):
do that, right, The Niners did.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
So.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I think the Niners have tried every tactic possible to
be like Brandon, you're stuck in the in this modern.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Nice way, stug gottlieb In for Colin. This is the Herd.
That's John Middlecoff hosted a three and Out podcast earlier today.
He's like, Hey, you're stuck. Sorry, that's the deal. You
had a chance to go and play for more money,
but you would have played in relative obscurity with quarterbacks
(38:10):
you don't think are very good in New England where
it's cold and you're not gonna play in the playoffs.
In this world of Hey, why don't you bet on yourself?
Why won't he bet on himself. Now, the truth is
the Niners don't have to They don't have to give
a new contract next year or the following year that
to pay him through the nose with the franchise tag
(38:31):
and it'll hurt them against the cap, but they don't
have to pay them. Don't do anything. They have to
pay more money, but it's a one year deal. I'm
just always fascinated by how many people just take the clubs,
take the player's side, just to take the player's side. Look,
this is the collective bar in agreement. This is what
you agreed to. You have tried to force the trade.
(38:52):
They presented a trade to you that paid you the
amount of money. Wan Like, yeah, I don't like that team. Like, okay,
if you like the team you're on, Yes, he's in.
The reason the Niners work is because brock Purty doesn't
make any money. All of that is changing next year.
Brock Purty makes no money this year, so they don't
have much money. They can spread it out on Debo
(39:15):
and Fred Warner and and I mean you name it.
You kind of go through the Niners roster and you're like, wow,
there's like six dudes who are as good or better
at what they do and how they play than anybody
else in football. Christian McCaffrey vote the top five player.
That's where all your money goes, and the money is
(39:38):
going to go to brock Purty. I'm not as in
on brock Purty as they are, but again, I don't
watch them every day in practice. I don't know what
they're looking for. I think that brock Purty's lack of
true arm talent is going to ultimately come back and
get them, just like it did last year. But I
could be wrong. Kyle Shanahan has forgotten more about quarterback
play within his offense, and I'll ever know. The reason
(40:00):
it truly works is they're an ensemble cast and the
only way you get ensemble cast is somebody's gotta take
a little less money, and right now it's brock forty
not taking any and it doesn't feel like Brandon a
Yuk because it wants to come off it. The only
difference is the only team to this point willing to
give him the money he wants is a team he
doesn't want to play for. This team he doesn't want
(40:20):
to play for all right, got a tremendous third hour
of the show for you. We got some beef with
me and j Mack as he's on this like almost
feels like he's a relative of Jason Tatum and that
why didn't Datum play? Why didn't Tatum play? Eric Mangini
(40:42):
is gonna join us next hour as well, the man genius.
We'll ask him about Brandon Ayok, what do you do there?
And I guess now you just wait it out, Just
wait it out. Plus we got I think the real
story of what took place in Paris yesterday. I'll also
(41:05):
say this, and we'll get to the team USA and
their comeback win over Serbia top of the hour. But
in the coolest things you can attend, or maybe the
coolest thing you could play in as a player, Like
how amazing would it be for those guys. Lebron James
(41:25):
didn't play in college, Kevin rant played in college but
only for one year. Kind of go back through the
list of all of those guys now limited their experiences
in the one game championship game on the road against
the talented French team where you are literally playing five
on eight. I thought the officiating yesterday was putrid, but
(41:46):
I thought it was equally putrid that makes any sense, Like, yeah,
I don't really know what a fowl is. I really
don't know what a foul is, and just everything you
when you play coach oversees, you're like, I gotta forget
everything I know about basketball because they look at it
completely differently. But think about that Paris, France, gigantic stadium,
(42:10):
true road game against the home team of quality players.
Don't get much better than that, How they get there.
What is the one thing you should remember most about
the comeback win against Serbia? I'll tell you next. I'm
Doug Gottlieb. This is the hurt
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