August 12, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin discusses the USA men's basketball team bringing home the gold behind Steph Curry's 4th quarter performance adding another line to Curry's historic resume.
He gives his thoughts on the rookie QBs over the weekend
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, lie Man, Los Angeles. HiT's
the Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us on a Monday part
of your day. It was a glorious weekend. I gotta
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watch like you did, all these rookie quarterbacks play, and
throughout the course of the show, we'll talk about each
one one hour from now. Where Colin was right, where
Colin was wrong. Jmacof Today Ryan filling in for him.
But I want to start. I had sort of thought
that the Olympics were done. I had watched them. Nothing
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felt special. These were amazing, and a lot of it
was the men's basketball, which almost twenty million people watched
that gold medal win. That is insane. That is the
biggest number of fans that have watched a single basketball
game in this country. In a long time, twenty million
people so and it came down to Steph and Lebron.
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But primarily Steph is the only reason we watched that
game and won that game, not watched it, but won it.
And what's amazing about Steph all these years he's had doubters.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I remember when he.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Got to the last finals. It was against Boston, and
I can remember the chorus of people that said, well,
you know, finals MVP. I mean, if you don't win
one of those that, I'm like, you're doubting him. Well,
you still don't think he's great. He didn't qualify as
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an all time great. You just look silly doubting Steph Curry.
Take out Magic Johnson. He is by far and away
the best point guard ever. Only Magic is close. And
Magic couldn't score like this. Magic elevated others, Magic could
play more positions.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He didn't do this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And when other players like Lebron James not just look
at you, but kind of look at you in awe
and you can do things they can't.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Lebron's the great Swiss army knife in basketball. He can
duplicate almost anything, but he can't do what Steph does.
And the next greatest point guard Magic Johnson. He can't
do what Steph does. Steph can do a lot of
things nobody else, even the great ones, can duplicate. Add
in the IQ, the EQ, the confidence, the leadership, the
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coach ability, the willingness, the self awareness to let others
dominate for a time. But what's crazy is the show
that he takes would be audacious looking for everybody in
the league. If Aunt Edwards took those shots, and we
all love Ant, you'd be like, oh, yeah, he has
his game's not refined yet.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I like Ant.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's a bad shot for Ant, not a guy off
the bench for most of the league. These shots are audacious,
and for Steph you're like, yeah, he's got to take those.
Steph's got to take these shots. And he did. And
Team USA is now twenty nine to oh when Steph's
playing for him, twenty nine to oh and a lot
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of great players. You know, golf has a little bit
of this, Baseball's got some of this. A lot of
great shooters when they're off, like Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum
couldn't hit jumpers. He shrinks like he shrinks. Steph doesn't.
Steph's last two games he didn't play good early. He
didn't good, he didn't play well early. His last two
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games he shot sixty five percent from three, so he is.
It's not Justiny's the best shooter ever. He has the
highest scoring ceiling ever. We all love Patrick Mahomes, but
all quarterbacks it's six points for.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All the touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And everybody knows Aaron Judge is great, but if the
bases are empty, it's one run. When you're really an
all timer, you can make all time greats feel less
than or outdated. Michael Jordan mathematically, Michael Jordan's mid range
game is outdated. Step back two steps, the skyhook outdated?
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Why take a twelve foot hook like dunket or shoot
a three Steph can make things and players and games
and people look outdated. There is only one guy and
only one reason Team USA won the Gold and it's
not Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's Steph.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
He's the fastest, score more points faster than anybody's done it.
Shots that would be audacious by anybody else in the league.
You'll get your throw up a couple of uglies. That
may be the only other guy that can shoot from
twenty nine falling away with a man in his face,
and we're like, it's not a bad shot. So I
we loved to Barry Stars and we did that. We
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wanted to bury far before he was done, and this
is just what we do. We had Lebron was done
four years ago. But what you're watching there is nobody
can duplicate it. When you shoot shots that would be outrageous,
would seem ridiculous, ill advised, and yet with Steph you
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want him to take those. Tatum struggled early. Tatum struggled,
Steph struggled early. He's the singular reason we won the gold,
all right. So it's an interesting weekend for all these
rookie quarterbacks. Everybody kind of looked like you thought they
would look like bo Nicks was accurate. Caleb Williams can move.
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Drake May's got some rust, he just needs. I feel
like with Drake May, we should just wait a year
and then come back in a year and make a.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Judgment on him.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He's just not He's just not as polished as everybody was,
and you kind of knew that coming in. But Caleb Williams,
I love what teammates are saying about him, because you
can't full teammates. DJ Moore said, outstanding, cole Comet the
tight end said second to none. So he had one
hundred and two passer rating, thirteen yard scramble, twenty snaps.
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And what's interesting about Caleb is you have to, like
Jordan Love of the Packers, you have to go to
the year before he was drafted. So the year before
Caleb was drafted forty two touchdown passes, five picks, forty
five hundred yards. And then the final year at USC,
old line was a mess. The team was not competitive
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by week eight. They wouldn't call certain plays because the
old line struggled. They didn't want to get him hurt.
But like Jordan Love, because college you can have really
good coaches get replaced by a really bad coach. In
the NFL, even bad coaching is usually competent. USC last
year had an incompetent defensive coordinator. They couldn't stop anybody.
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Every game was attract me. Every game you had to
throw fifty times, but you couldn't. That's the way it worked.
So in college football, you can replace a good coach
or hire a coach that just isn't good. In the NFL,
you may be a bad fit, but most people are
competent Brandon Staley as side. But I think when I
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watched Caleb Williams, I feel like because Lincoln Riley was
polarizing and is and the way he left Oklahoma, and
because Caleb Williams was the first NIL star and the fingernails,
and he's emotional, he's polarizing. So there's some haters out there,
There's no question there's haters. Whereas a Baker Mayfield comes in,
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he's a little shorter than he should be. He almost
looked plump. He not hyper athletic. Translation American guys can
room for him. He kind of looks like them. Caleb
Williams doesn't. And the Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma for USC
and it's Hollywood, it's arrogant, it's USC. It's Southern California.
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People that don't go to Southern California have never lived there.
Go to the internet. They're all experts on it. They've
all got an opinion on it. So don't allow your
feelings to get in the way of the truth. Here,
the arm, the movement, the confidence, it's just different. Mahomes
is a completely accurate comp and it's not his fault.
The nile exploded when Caleb Williams came to USC one
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of his early deals. He got all his offensive linemen paid.
If you remember the Heisman ceremony, he had his offensive
lineman there. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think,
as Jordan Palmer said Thursday on this show, I think
he got bored. I think he was bored last year
at USC. And once they weren't competitive, once they weren't
going to get to the playoff, the coaches didn't want
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to call certain plays, they didn't trust the offensive line.
Lincoln Riley won in the Heisman. Lincoln Riley was not
going to get Caleb Williams hurt. He was not going
to play him lay in games. He was not going
to get him hurt. He would not call certain protections.
So go, like Jordan Love, go to the year before
where Caleb Williams took four and eight and an awful
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roster to one play away from twelve to two one
play against Tulane. And what's interesting is, as I was
watching this, usually big cities, not small towns or on
the cutting edge of things. You know many many of
the you know Silicon Valley in California, or Wall Street
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in New York, cutting edge technology. Don't come from small towns,
but little small green Bay, in the same division has
been light years ahead of Chicago's offense forever, and I
felt like watching it this weekend, the Bears offense finally
got Wi Fi. It's like, oh, oh, no more, no
more AOL and that weird clunky sound. It's well Wi Fi.
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It's magical, That's what it felt like. It's gonna be efficient,
it's gonna be dynamic, it's gonna be a lot of wow.
And he only saw a couple of snaps, but it's
it's I feel like there's not one word to describe
Chicago offense.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
There's like twenty and they're all bad.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In the same division with small market Green Bay that
doesn't attract free agents. Green Bay has been doing offense
right forever and Chicago's never done it right.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And they got WiFi. And here's Caleb after the win.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Last time I was out there on the field other
than practice, it was November eights eight, and it's you know,
you go that long without something, it's it's it's tough.
But now it's been great. The guys have made it fun.
They made it easy on me to get out there.
And and and and have the confidence you know that
we had out there. It's it's only going to get
better and we can't wait.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Also, Jade and Daniels probably made the first or second
best throw by any rookie quarterback. I thought the most
of the quarterbacks looked like they were advertised, and this
batch of quarterbacks, Michael Pennix had a lot of starts
Indiana and Washington, bow Nix had a lot of starts
at Auburn and Oregon. Jade and Daniels a lot of
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starts Arizona State and LSU. So I feel like I
knew what I was getting. It was not one of
these drafts where I don't know what Trey Lance is.
I'm actually excited his tape's great, didn't played that much.
Or Anthony Richardson from Florida one year starting the Colts.
I'm not really exactly sure. I'm getting glimpses of stuff.
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It feels exciting. I'd rather be optimistic than negative and pessimistic,
but I don't know what I'm getting. I kind of
felt like bow Knix looked like bo Nix was gonna
look and so did Pennix, and so did Jade Daniels
and I watched two years of starting at USC. That's
what Kayler Williams, that's what he looks like. So I
mean it's I don't remember the last time you get
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little early warning signs, signs of hope and desperation with
rookie quarterbacks. I thought even Drake may who was the
least impressive, he was kind of what I thought he
would look like. JJ McCarthy was better than what he
what I thought he would look like. We'll get to
that top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
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FS one, and the iHeartRadio app. So Bo Nicks. Let's
talk about him, I had said this. I saw him
play live twice in college, once up close right behind
the Oregon sideline and once you know, in the stands
and from the end zone. So I'd seen a lot
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of them in college live. I watched a lot of
his starts. I remember as a freshman him at Auburn,
I think beating justin Herbert and Oregon, and he really
he had like sixty one college starts, so we kind
of know what we have and here's what is really.
I mean, the NFL is by far and away the
biggest domestic sport. Like it's not close. It's the English
Premier League in you know, in London.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's not close. So this is why the NFL is king.
If bow Nicks hits, all the Denver problems wash away immediately.
It's like the Houston Texans. They were the biggest laughing
stock in the league, and now they're the model how
to turn a franchise around because they got the quarterback
right and they got the coach right, and they just
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happened to come in the same year. I mean, think
about the Russell Wilson Denver deal. Just think about what
this franchise did. Gave up a ton of draft capital,
good picks, they paid a fortune. They whiffed on their
head coaching higher like badly whift. They were in cap
hell in a division with Patrick Mahomes Like, that's not
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a good spot to be in. So they hire Sean
Payton and they right the ship. They get Russell Wilson
to be the best version of what he can be.
They kind of right the offense as much as they can.
And if bo Nicks hits, the Texans all the stuff disappears.
You've got a quarterback you're not paying anything to. It'll
clean up your cap. You'll be winning games and everybody
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will forget at it. That's not the NFL gives you
micro wavable stars. Heat them up a little bit, ready
to roll every other sport in this country. The way
the draft works is you got to put them in
the oven. You cross your fingers, and you bake a
minimum two years before they can actually help. You. Think
how great Wemby is. Wemby's the best prospect ever, including Lebron.
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I was telling my wife this weekend. He can do
things Lebron can't. I mean, there'll be many things that
Wemby will do that Lebron could never do. Is he
going to have the same career legacy?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Who knows? Titles? Who knows?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But as great as he is, he goes to the Spurs,
they don't win one more game. They're awful without him,
they're awful with him, and they won't be any good
this year. That's that's the way everything else works the NFL.
The coach is competent, the quarterback's really good, All your
problems go away, and I'm watching the Denver game, and
I'm thinking, oh my god, this this has a Peyton breeze.
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Think about how bad the Saints were this The Saints
were the laughing stock in the National Football League pre
Breeze and Peyton. The Houston Texans were the laughing stock
in the NFL pre Demico Ryans and c J. Stroud
and Nix looked exactly like he look in college. Oregon
schemed him up, Sean Payton schemed him up. Accurate, available,
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doesn't get hurt, experienced, boom, and we are in a
very impatient society. I'm as guilty as anybody. The NFL
is the sport that rewards you. And I'm just watching
this and I'm thinking to myself, like God, two years ago,
the Denver Broncos knew by the end of the first
game of Nathaniel Hackett's first game as a head coach.
Remember the game in Seattle, it was Pete Carroll, Face
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and Russell Wilson. By the end of the first game,
You're like, Nathaniel Hackett doesn't understand the clock, Like literally
does not understand how to use the clock. It was
I tried to defend it. It was awful, and they
had to eventually like hire somebody who could handle the clock.
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So it all disappears that Ponicks can play, and it
was great. I'm watching Jaden Daniels. What's the grossest franchise
in the NFL? You know, Cleveland or Washington the last
seven eight years, Dan Snyder mess could all be solved. Uh,
Chicago Jurassic you know, they can't get offense right. They've
never had one great quarterback that's had a twelve year run.
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It could all be solved. And now Denver, most of
my life has been like the Steelers with mountain ranges.
You know, it's like kind of well run, smart, some trophies,
you know, a semi viable they've had, you know, your
Peyton Manning, You're John Elway, your Big Ben, You're Terry Bradshaw.
They've had big stars and it's like they were a
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mess and you're like, I mean I was thinking a
year ago, how do you get out of this? I mean,
Deshaun Watson for all the issues, can still play like Russell.
You're like Sean Payton doesn't like him and he can't play.
How do you get out of it? Draft bon Nicks,
if that's gonna be a reasonable bull fac simile of
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what bon Nicks is with Sean Payton, it could very
much be the Saints. You had what you would call
and it doesn't happen much in the NFL. You'd have
a dead franchise. It's it's just done and then it's not.
I mean the Texans felt, did they not like they
were dead franchise? Bow Knicks talked after his NFL debut.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I could tell it was a little bit faster, faster.
It was definitely more professional. I mean, the guys are
in the right spots, they're disguising, they're doing well where
they're supposed to be. But you know, I felt very
you know, calm and relaxed. But there was just a game.
They were still in cover three in quarters and man,
I mean it's the same defense and so you just
got to figure out which one they're in and then
execute the play that's called. I thought we did a
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great job with our play calls today. We stayed in rhythm,
We ran the ball efficiently, and that's always nice. And
so overall it was a very productive day.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The other thing that may help him is through Auburn
and Oregon, he had a lot of different offenses and
a lot of different coordinators. So this is somebody that's
never truly been comfortable and could come back a year
after year after year with the same offense. And we
know it to be true in the NFL, no matter
how gifted you are. It has helped Josh Allen to
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start his career with Brian Davile.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It really helped.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Him and Andy Reid's been incredibly valuable. Remember the first
couple of years of Patrick Mahomes. He came in raw
in the first two to three years, he would go
off the fairway, his mechanics would go into the tank,
and Andy would bring him back like this stuff matters.
I don't think bo Nicks is talented enough to overcome
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a restrictive conservative play calling, head coach or culture. I
don't think he's that good. But Sean Payton, I'm watching
that thinking that this could this thing be Drew Brees
and Peyton it completely turning around the Saints. It feels
like it to me, it could be. Here's Ryan with
the news.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
News, all right.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Colin Jordan Love didn't take long to make a big
splash this preseason. He completed this sixty five yard touchdown
pass to Dontavian Wicks on the third play. Matt Lafleur
said after the game that Love will set out next week,
and here's Jordan's answer when asked about the reps.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean I think we.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Could we could go into it just jumping in the season,
but I think maybe get a couple more snaps here
in the preseason will be be nice. I mean, like
you said, when we got three three plays a night,
so I'm just being able to get out there, get
back in that mode. It was nice to you know,
get in the game today, but I think getting a
longer drive and a couple more plays up might be nice.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
A lot to be excited about.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, I think I think this has turned the table.
You know, we don't have practice video. You know, we
don't have meetings with Jordan Love. We don't see the
day to day stuff that they do. So when they
signed him, we all thought, God, can they kind of
wait till like November first? But they're seeing stuff in
the building that I also think it has to be noted.
You have to say this, remember Aaron's last year there,
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with all these young receivers, there was a generational gap
he didn't trust Christian Watson Romeo Dobbs. They'd have a
big drop. Remember Watson dropped him all down the sideline
against the Vikings in week one, and it felt like Aaron,
as he tends to do, ghosted it well. Jordan generationally,
he's the same age of these guys or three years older.
So it just feels like Green Bay to me is
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like it's like a big recruiting class coming in at once,
and they're all kind of part of the same recruiting class.
Jordan was the first class, and then these other guys
came in a couple of classes after him, and it
just like they're all kind of growing together, which is
and that's kind of an issue. Tom Brady used to
talk about that, like he would go introduce himself to
what his tech like, he got very old. Rrett Farv
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got very old very fast. Matt Stafford's wife has talked
about this. You get very old. You're thirty seven and
the guy's coming in here twenty one. You have nothing
in common.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Part of why this has worked so quickly is it's
like I would imagine Jordan Love and those receivers and
tight ends. Dude, they're they're laughing about the same jokes,
they're listening to the same music, and it just feels like,
to me, Aaron's last couple of years there felt a
little prickly and a little disjointed. Front office to Aaron,
Aaron to the receivers all. Nothing kind of felt like
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there was any symmetry. It's not a shot at Aaron.
It's like he wasn't getting along with the front office.
Aaron wasn't really tight with the receivers. Hell, he wasn't
tight with Devonte Adams. And it now feels like, Oh,
it's this young, ascending team and it's like it, Oh,
Matt Lafleur is still young, coach, Jordan Love's still young quarterback,
the receivers are all young, they're old lines young. It
just feels like you don't have this tribalism or these
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people that are like the old coordinator resents the new guys.
They're all It's honestly, it feels like Green Bay about
three years ago, had this huge recruiting class and they're
all like juniors. They may not win until their seniors,
but they all feel like they're all juniors now and
they know how to win.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
All on the same timeline. Now all pulling in the
same direction, all have their priorities in the same place,
which wasn't always the case with.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Aaron Rodgers all Right.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Eighth overall pick JJ McCarthy made his preseason debut this
weekend for the Vikings. After throwing an interception on the
opening drive, the rookie responded in a big way. McCarthy
finished eleven of seventeen for one hundred and eighty eight
yards and two touchdowns. After the game, his head coach,
Kevin O'Connell discussed how impressed he was with how McCarthy played.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Clearly, everybody can see the arm talent. I just loved
seeing him come right back after you know, the interception
and still be aggressive, still stay true to you know, footwork, timing, rhythm,
where's I should be. So there was a lot of
positives with JJ's performance today in a lot of areas
where we'll be able to hit the ground running when
these guys are back in on Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, he was better than I thought. And what's interesting
is he and Sam Darnold have some similarities. They'll throw
an occasional pick, but they both move well. They played
with a ton of confidence, they're loose, they're willing to
kind of let it go. Even his interception to Jack Jones,
who's had a kind of a troubled personal life, but
he's super talented corner for the Raiders, like long Beach
poly kid, really really talented player, was not a terrible interception.
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It was just a nice play made by a good corner.
So no, I mean with JJ, it's hard because we're
all these other quarterbacks. I kind of knew what I
was getting with JJ. It was such a run and
defense dominated offensive line, coach dominated Michigan program.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Throw a single pass against Penn State on the road
and one harball was suspended many games as hardball calling
the place with JJ, am like, I'm not quite sure
exactly what he is. And then I watched the game
and I thought, oh, that's he's a little bit more
dynamic with his feet that I remember at Michigan. But
then I was thinking he may have been at Michigan,
but they didn't they didn't need him. I mean, Michigan
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was playing with elite Michigan probably rained him in. It's
like Justin Herbert, you didn't really know Justin Herbert could
move like that at Oregon because they didn't have a
good backup, so they didn't let him run.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Stroud at Ohio State until the Georgia game, You're like,
he's a pocket quarterback. And then you watch it run
around past Georgia guys, You're like, oh, he can do that. Well,
they didn't feel comfortable with backups. Well JJ McCarthy Michigan
was so dominant the last two years. They were thumping
Ohio State, so it's like they there's no reason.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To take big risks with him. Why.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, they had one elite receiver, they had the
best O line in the country. They literally led every
big game. It felt like comfortably by mid third quarter.
So you don't rest. There's a Herbert CJ. Stroud to it.
Like I felt like the onion got peeled. I got
another layer in this game. I'm like, Oh, he can
move around, he can make plays with his feet more.
I mean, I knew he could move. He wasn't a statue,
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but you don't feel like you quite know exactly what
you're getting on him. Not that he was protected, it
just wasn't a part of their winning formula, that's right.
He was kind of managed, and that's not a negative
like Harbaugh's like, kid, I don't need you to throw
thirty times. You're not gonna throw in the second half
of this game on the road. We're not gonna risk it.
I'm upstairs, you know, I'm in a hotel, calm the
plays in whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Do you feel like JJ's gonna get multiple starts at
some point before the end of the season. I mean,
if you look at the Vikings schedule, we can see
that it looks like he may get more than just
one start this season.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, my feeling is they they they want to go
with Donald Donald.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I do believe.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I mean, this is all vanilla schemes, preseason stuff. Donald
could beat San Francisco. I don't think. I think JJ
McCarthy get a little overwhelmed. So again, let's not overreact
to it. But if you look at the first four
to five weeks, Niners defense, Demiico, Ryan's defense, Jets defense.
So Darnald's not whizzing through that thing. But I think
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Darnald can keep them competitive because he's seen so many
things in the NFELL. Even if you if it was
a draw, wouldn't you let Donald get you to the
bye yeah, just confidence wise, and then it's easier for
you as a coach to your locker room to say, guys,
we're two and three and we're averaging eighteen points a game.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We're gonna go with a kid, right.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Instead of going with the kid first he gets beat up,
you go to Donald. Then eventually, if he doesn't win,
you have to go back, like, let's make it clean,
let's go. If I was a staff I'd say let's
get to the by with Donald.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Absolutely, and then definitely.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Because once you go to Jj, you don't want to
go back right exactly. It definitely feels like they need
to get to a point tour. It's pretty clear the
playoffs are a long shot. As long as you're remotely
in contention. You don't want to be going back and
forth between the two quarterbacks, especially with the first year.
I mean like that's sort of what the Steelers were
forced to do with Kenny Pickett at one point, and
that's when you knew it was over. And you don't
need to be doing that with the first round pick
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in his first season. And JJ McCarthy, all right, we'll
wrap up with this, Brandon and I you trade request saga.
It continues, at least for now. Jeremy Follower is reporting
that it's pretty much down to the Steelers or staying
with the forty nine Ers. Meanwhile, Adam Schefter's reporting that
Pittsburgh has made a strong offer to the Niners and
a contract offer to Ayuk. Now, we could also point
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out that the forty nine Ers had to cancel their
joint practices with the Saints this week because they just
don't have enough players to make the practices worthwhile. This
is due to injuries in addition to the Ayuk and
Trent Williams holdout hold in situation.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
John Middelkoff had a funny line last night in the podcast.
He said, this may be the only receiver that would
sign a four year, one hundred million dollars deal and
be bitter about it. But I do think you have to.
There's two things working against Ayuk. San Francisco won games
before he got there, and he's just simply not as
valuable as Christian McCaffrey or a Trent Williams or Kyle Shanahan.
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He is just really talented, he's not as valuable. And
the second thing that works against him is they went
and drafted two receivers.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
They have, they have Jennings, they have Kittle.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
San Francisco is not short on like offensive weaponry, and
the NFL draft gives you minimum eighteen wide receivers a year,
and a lot of these got Puka Nakua fifth round,
Tank Dell later rounds. It's the one position that furnishes
the NFL with immediate star players. I mean, you get
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about one star quarterback a year and one star left
tackle per year, maybe two really high end ed rushers,
three good corners. Wide receiver, you get you Puka Nakua.
You're like, three weeks in, You're like he's a one.
I mean, Amaran Saint Brown fourth round, Puka fifth round,
Tank Dell mid round. That's not infrequent. That's like happening
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all even Branda Ayuk was a late first round pick,
Deebo was a second and they're both stars. So I
think that does work against him. I don't think he
has a ton of leverage. And you know, there's a
reason they drafted two wide receivers. Now they're both dinged up,
But I think part of that was not as much
need as it was like leverage.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah, providing themselves an escape patch if they things got
too contentious, which is apparently where they continue to sit
right now between I, you and San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
All right, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
By the way, Lebron James MVP, all I watched that
and I thought to myself, you know, if you'd just sold,
if you had have told Lebron you're gonna gonna come
to LA and you're gonna get a title and get
to another Western Conference final, you've.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Been like, oh, that's pretty good. You watch that.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Lebron now at thirty nine's the MVP, and you're thinking, man,
have they not done a good job with him? And
we'll talk about that later. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong top
of next hour. Mark Schlareth is joining us the ronco
expert on our staff on what he witnessed.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
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Speaker 1 (30:50):
Very popular radio show in Denver. He's got three super
Bowl rings, multiple time pro bowler, Fox Sports. One of
the Bedrock guys here, Mark schle with his joining us.
He just wrapped up his morning show in Denver. So
I gotta tell you I watched Bone Nicks and I
thought to myself. I talked about this early that the
college draft in football gives you kind of microwavable stars
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heat them up, they're ready to go. It doesn't matter
if you're Bryce Harper, you could be Wemby, you could
be a hockey star. You put it in the oven,
you cross your fingers, You're bake a couple of years
and hopefully they help you out. But my takeaway is
as big a mess as Denver was. Nat Hackett draft
Capital cap hell is a mess. And I watched that
and I went, are these the Texans are we looking
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at like?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
This is They'll become a model of how to get
out of a cap disaster. Now, I could be overstepping
it here, but he looked like he look in college.
I mean, they've already named in the starter for next week,
have they not, Mark?
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Yeah, they certainly have. Bon Nicks played exceptionally well. And
I think you know a couple things NFL teams have
to do. I think we have to do it as people, Colin.
You have to be honest with yourself, right, and you
have to know what your strengths are, but more importantly
what your weaknesses are. And you have to understand that
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you have to build the majority of your football team
through the draft, because when you go after everybody in
free agency, you're paying eight plus dollars for b minus talent. Yeah,
and so what the Broncos did was saying we're gonna
stop the bleeding, like we are gonna you know, we're
not putting band aids over gaping wounds anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
We're going with Bonnicks.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
And oh, by the way, the best fit in my opinion,
of any of the quarterbacks that were taken in the
first round.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
He was sixth overall.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
I just thought he was a perfect fit for Sean
And ultimately, you know, you look at the way he played,
and I always talk about just pocket presence. The kid
has unbelievable pocket presence. And you saw everything come to fruition.
You saw him stand in the pocket, deliver the football
on time accurately. You saw him manipulate inside the pocket,
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never taking his eyes down to focus on the rush,
always keeping him downfield delivering strikes. You saw him scramble
out of the pocket when he was under durest but
continue to focus down the football field and complete. His
first completion was to corl and Sutton on a third
down and ten for a first down outside the pocket.
You saw him operate on third down as an offense.
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You saw everything you needed to see. And bon Nicks
is legitimately going to be the Day one starter for
the Denver Broncos at the quarterback position. Without question. In
my mind, this is I mean, it's just a fact.
Zero sacks in that game. Everything that Russell Wilson wasn't
last year for Sean Payton. Bon Nicks was I know
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it's only one preseason game, but this is the been
the way it's been all preseason through practices with Bnicks.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, now that there's a thinction.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Now, Justin Field took a lot of sacks for the Bears,
but PFF told you it was like the fifteenth best
a line, the Broncos O line with a left tackle
that's elite, more than workable at the guard. Like I
look at the O line, I'm like, I don't think
it's a disaster when I watched them play. But let's
talk about that because it's a position you know better
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than anybody. Is that because a quarterback gets sacked, there
is a tendency to think the O line's terrible.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
That's not necessarily what it means. Explain that.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Yeah, well, I think what you have to understand is
that quarterback sacks, to me are more of a quarterback
driven statistic than they are an O line driven statistic.
The way the game has changed is that the majority
of the throws made within the context of your offense
are quick, three step and five step in nature, where
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the ball is coming out one to two and it
it's coming out under two and a half seconds. So
if your quarterback doesn't throw the ball on time or
pulls the ball and scrambles around, especially at the backside
of the pocket, now those sacks go on the quarterback.
And if you look at the Denver Broncos last year,
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of the forty five sacks they gave up, I bet
you close to three quarters of those sacks were credited
as Russell Wilson's fault. And that's unacceptable, Like that is unacceptable.
And the worst part of that for me as an
offensive lineman is when the quarterback comes out and doesn't
jump on the hangar nad. You want to talk about that,
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You want to talk about a guy that will be
hated in the locker room, and that will piss me off.
Is when he takes five sacks and of the six
sacks that were giving up, and then he comes out
in the press conference afterwards and says, yeah, we got
to protect better. No no, no, no, no, we what are
you a French waiter? No, you got to play better.
We don't have to protect better, you know, with all
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your we we So you know, one of the big
emphasis with that game yesterday with the Never Broncos is
zero sacks, and that's going to be like, when you
give up a sack in the course of a drive,
you have almost zero chance after that sack to score points.
Your scoring ratio drops down to like eight to ten
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percent or something crazy like that. I don't know exactly
what the percentage is, but your almost zero ability to
score points if you give up a sack and a drive.
So having quarterbacks not taking sacks because they understand what
they're doing in the context of the offense becomes vitally important.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You know, bo Nicks and Peyton get a little bit
of a break with scheduling, so you open with Seattle,
but it's a brand new staff. You also have Vegas.
At the end of it, you're at the Jets, but
again the Jets are one of the Jets. You're at Tampa, winnable,
Pittsburgh get home with a quarterback issue. You start looking
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at the first Now it gets a little t after that,
But what is I mean?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I look at that with the rookie.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Quarterback and Minnesota's early schedule is land mines everywhere. I
look at this and I think pretty workable. What is realistic?
As somebody who knows players there Sean Payton privately, what
do you think is workable in the first five or
six weeks?
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Yeah, no, I think they could come out of the
first five or six weeks with a either.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
A winning record or kind of a you know, kind
of a three and three type.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 11 (37:31):
And yet ultimately, you know, here's the thing that ends
up happening, you know, with with national analysts is they'll
say a, you know what, talent is questionable here.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
They don't have a lot of talent, And I'll say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
You're mistaken. They don't have a lot of name value.
They have a lot of talent, but the talent that
they have hasn't created a name for itself yet. You know,
the first game I ever played in Colin was again
in Philadelphia about halfway through the season my rookie year
in eighty nine, when I became a starter, and I'll
never forget it. It changed the trajectory of my career.
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And have somebody believe in you is can It can
mean so much to you as a player, but just
as a parent, if you believe in your kid, the
best thing you can do for your kids is to
believe in them. And I'm sitting on the bus, scared
as all get Out'm going to open up my career
in the VET in Philadelphia against you know, Reggie White
and Jerome Brown and Clyde Simmons, you know. And I mean,
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this is the number one defense in football. And our
quarterback is Doug Williams. And he walked on the bus
and he walks by me, and then he stops. He
turns around and he backs back up and he tass
me on the shoulder. I take out my headphones, and
he said, listen, the only difference between you and them
is they had a chance to go out and make
a name for themselves. And because in today, you have
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a chance to go out and make a name for yourself.
Completely believe you're gonna do that. And I end up
getting a game ball in that game and getting in
a fight and the you know, I mean the whole
nine yards, this guy by the name of Mike Pitts,
I am wearing his ass out and he swung at me.
He threw a punch at me, and I try to
decapitate his ass because I was like, I'm a tenth
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rounder from Idaho.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You're not punking me.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
I guarantee you that that's not gonna happen. And ultimately,
I got a chance to make a name for myself.
These guys that played for the Broncos right now haven't
had that opportunity. But trust me, at the end of
this season, they're gonna be four or five guys who
make a name for themselves that are going to become
those guys that you look at and go, Wow, that
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team's more talented than I thought. Yeah, and they just
don't have name value yet.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, I've said this.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
They've got two workable backs, potentially three receivers. I like
a good left tackle they have. They lack a rush end,
which they drafted, So to me, cross your fingers on that.
One of the best corners, safeties are good linebackers, move
great coach. I don't buy this that Minneso. I say,
Minnesota and Denver. I keep hearing they're gonna finish fourth,
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and I'm like, I don't know. I see a lot
of players.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
We gotta run. We gotta run. Mark Schlair, good seeing you, Bud.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
You two called take care of body.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, all fired up. That's that's what's great about the NFL.
I watched Denver now and I'm like, why can't they
be a playoff? Look at they're starting first seven games.
You got a Saints in there, Carolina in there, Pittsburgh
in there, Vegas in there.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Why not? How or two next
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All right, here we go, lie Man, Los Angeles. HiT's
the Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us on a Monday part
of your day. It was a glorious weekend. I gotta
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watch like you did, all these rookie quarterbacks play, and
throughout the course of the show, we'll talk about each
one one hour from now. Where Colin was right, where
Colin was wrong. Jmacof Today Ryan filling in for him.
But I want to start. I had sort of thought
that the Olympics were done. I had watched them. Nothing
(01:07):
felt special. These were amazing, and a lot of it
was the men's basketball, which almost twenty million people watched
that gold medal win. That is insane. That is the
biggest number of fans that have watched a single basketball
game in this country. In a long time, twenty million
people so and it came down to Steph and Lebron.
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But primarily Steph is the only reason we watched that
game and won that game, not watched it, but won it.
And what's amazing about Steph all these years he's had doubters.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I remember when he.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Got to the last finals. It was against Boston, and
I can remember the chorus of people that said, well,
you know, finals MVP. I mean, if you don't win
one of those that, I'm like, you're doubting him. Well,
you still don't think he's great. He didn't qualify as
(02:01):
an all time great. You just look silly doubting Steph Curry.
Take out Magic Johnson. He is by far and away
the best point guard ever. Only Magic is close. And
Magic couldn't score like this. Magic elevated others, Magic could
play more positions.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He didn't do this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And when other players like Lebron James not just look
at you, but kind of look at you in awe
and you can do things they can't.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Lebron's the great Swiss army knife in basketball. He can
duplicate almost anything, but he can't do what Steph does.
And the next greatest point guard Magic Johnson. He can't
do what Steph does. Steph can do a lot of
things nobody else, even the great ones, can duplicate. Add
in the IQ, the EQ, the confidence, the leadership, the
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coach ability, the willingness, the self awareness to let others
dominate for a time. But what's crazy is the show
that he takes would be audacious looking for everybody in
the league. If Aunt Edwards took those shots, and we
all love Ant, you'd be like, oh, yeah, he has
his game's not refined yet.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I like Ant.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's a bad shot for Ant, not a guy off
the bench for most of the league. These shots are audacious,
and for Steph you're like, yeah, he's got to take those.
Steph's got to take these shots. And he did. And
Team USA is now twenty nine to oh when Steph's
playing for him, twenty nine to oh and a lot
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of great players. You know, golf has a little bit
of this, Baseball's got some of this. A lot of
great shooters when they're off, like Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum
couldn't hit jumpers. He shrinks like he shrinks. Steph doesn't.
Steph's last two games he didn't play good early. He
didn't good, he didn't play well early. His last two
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games he shot sixty five percent from three, so he is.
It's not Justiny's the best shooter ever. He has the
highest scoring ceiling ever. We all love Patrick Mahomes, but
all quarterbacks it's six points for.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All the touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And everybody knows Aaron Judge is great, but if the
bases are empty, it's one run. When you're really an
all timer, you can make all time greats feel less
than or outdated. Michael Jordan mathematically, Michael Jordan's mid range
game is outdated. Step back two steps, the skyhook outdated?
(04:34):
Why take a twelve foot hook like dunket or shoot
a three Steph can make things and players and games
and people look outdated. There is only one guy and
only one reason Team USA won the Gold and it's
not Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's Steph.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
He's the fastest, score more points faster than anybody's done it.
Shots that would be audacious by anybody else in the league.
You'll get your throw up a couple of uglies. That
may be the only other guy that can shoot from
twenty nine falling away with a man in his face,
and we're like, it's not a bad shot. So I
we loved to Barry Stars and we did that. We
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wanted to bury far before he was done, and this
is just what we do. We had Lebron was done
four years ago. But what you're watching there is nobody
can duplicate it. When you shoot shots that would be outrageous,
would seem ridiculous, ill advised, and yet with Steph you
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want him to take those. Tatum struggled early. Tatum struggled,
Steph struggled early. He's the singular reason we won the gold,
all right. So it's an interesting weekend for all these
rookie quarterbacks. Everybody kind of looked like you thought they
would look like bo Nicks was accurate. Caleb Williams can move.
(06:00):
Drake May's got some rust, he just needs. I feel
like with Drake May, we should just wait a year
and then come back in a year and make a.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Judgment on him.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He's just not He's just not as polished as everybody was,
and you kind of knew that coming in. But Caleb Williams,
I love what teammates are saying about him, because you
can't full teammates. DJ Moore said, outstanding, cole Comet the
tight end said second to none. So he had one
hundred and two passer rating, thirteen yard scramble, twenty snaps.
(06:28):
And what's interesting about Caleb is you have to, like
Jordan Love of the Packers, you have to go to
the year before he was drafted. So the year before
Caleb was drafted forty two touchdown passes, five picks, forty
five hundred yards. And then the final year at USC,
old line was a mess. The team was not competitive
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by week eight. They wouldn't call certain plays because the
old line struggled. They didn't want to get him hurt.
But like Jordan Love, because college you can have really
good coaches get replaced by a really bad coach. In
the NFL, even bad coaching is usually competent. USC last
year had an incompetent defensive coordinator. They couldn't stop anybody.
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Every game was attract me. Every game you had to
throw fifty times, but you couldn't. That's the way it worked.
So in college football, you can replace a good coach
or hire a coach that just isn't good. In the NFL,
you may be a bad fit, but most people are
competent Brandon Staley as side. But I think when I
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watched Caleb Williams, I feel like because Lincoln Riley was
polarizing and is and the way he left Oklahoma, and
because Caleb Williams was the first NIL star and the fingernails,
and he's emotional, he's polarizing. So there's some haters out there,
There's no question there's haters. Whereas a Baker Mayfield comes in,
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he's a little shorter than he should be. He almost
looked plump. He not hyper athletic. Translation American guys can
room for him. He kind of looks like them. Caleb
Williams doesn't. And the Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma for USC
and it's Hollywood, it's arrogant, it's USC. It's Southern California.
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People that don't go to Southern California have never lived there.
Go to the internet. They're all experts on it. They've
all got an opinion on it. So don't allow your
feelings to get in the way of the truth. Here,
the arm, the movement, the confidence, it's just different. Mahomes
is a completely accurate comp and it's not his fault.
The nile exploded when Caleb Williams came to USC one
(08:33):
of his early deals. He got all his offensive linemen paid.
If you remember the Heisman ceremony, he had his offensive
lineman there. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think,
as Jordan Palmer said Thursday on this show, I think
he got bored. I think he was bored last year
at USC. And once they weren't competitive, once they weren't
going to get to the playoff, the coaches didn't want
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to call certain plays, they didn't trust the offensive line.
Lincoln Riley won in the Heisman. Lincoln Riley was not
going to get Caleb Williams hurt. He was not going
to play him lay in games. He was not going
to get him hurt. He would not call certain protections.
So go, like Jordan Love, go to the year before
where Caleb Williams took four and eight and an awful
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roster to one play away from twelve to two one
play against Tulane. And what's interesting is, as I was
watching this, usually big cities, not small towns or on
the cutting edge of things. You know many many of
the you know Silicon Valley in California, or Wall Street
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in New York, cutting edge technology. Don't come from small towns,
but little small green Bay, in the same division has
been light years ahead of Chicago's offense forever, and I
felt like watching it this weekend, the Bears offense finally
got Wi Fi. It's like, oh, oh, no more, no
more AOL and that weird clunky sound. It's well Wi Fi.
(10:01):
It's magical, That's what it felt like. It's gonna be efficient,
it's gonna be dynamic, it's gonna be a lot of wow.
And he only saw a couple of snaps, but it's
it's I feel like there's not one word to describe
Chicago offense.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
There's like twenty and they're all bad.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In the same division with small market Green Bay that
doesn't attract free agents. Green Bay has been doing offense
right forever and Chicago's never done it right.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And they got WiFi. And here's Caleb after the win.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Last time I was out there on the field other
than practice, it was November eights eight, and it's you know,
you go that long without something, it's it's it's tough.
But now it's been great. The guys have made it fun.
They made it easy on me to get out there.
And and and and have the confidence you know that
we had out there. It's it's only going to get
better and we can't wait.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Also, Jade and Daniels probably made the first or second
best throw by any rookie quarterback. I thought the most
of the quarterbacks looked like they were advertised, and this
batch of quarterbacks, Michael Pennix had a lot of starts
Indiana and Washington, bow Nix had a lot of starts
at Auburn and Oregon. Jade and Daniels a lot of
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starts Arizona State and LSU. So I feel like I
knew what I was getting. It was not one of
these drafts where I don't know what Trey Lance is.
I'm actually excited his tape's great, didn't played that much.
Or Anthony Richardson from Florida one year starting the Colts.
I'm not really exactly sure. I'm getting glimpses of stuff.
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It feels exciting. I'd rather be optimistic than negative and pessimistic,
but I don't know what I'm getting. I kind of
felt like bow Knix looked like bo Nix was gonna
look and so did Pennix, and so did Jade Daniels
and I watched two years of starting at USC. That's
what Kayler Williams, that's what he looks like. So I
mean it's I don't remember the last time you get
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little early warning signs, signs of hope and desperation with
rookie quarterbacks. I thought even Drake may who was the
least impressive, he was kind of what I thought he
would look like. JJ McCarthy was better than what he
what I thought he would look like. We'll get to
that top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
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FS one, and the iHeartRadio app. So Bo Nicks. Let's
talk about him, I had said this. I saw him
play live twice in college, once up close right behind
the Oregon sideline and once you know, in the stands
and from the end zone. So I'd seen a lot
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of them in college live. I watched a lot of
his starts. I remember as a freshman him at Auburn,
I think beating justin Herbert and Oregon, and he really
he had like sixty one college starts, so we kind
of know what we have and here's what is really.
I mean, the NFL is by far and away the
biggest domestic sport. Like it's not close. It's the English
Premier League in you know, in London.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's not close. So this is why the NFL is king.
If bow Nicks hits, all the Denver problems wash away immediately.
It's like the Houston Texans. They were the biggest laughing
stock in the league, and now they're the model how
to turn a franchise around because they got the quarterback
right and they got the coach right, and they just
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happened to come in the same year. I mean, think
about the Russell Wilson Denver deal. Just think about what
this franchise did. Gave up a ton of draft capital,
good picks, they paid a fortune. They whiffed on their
head coaching higher like badly whift. They were in cap
hell in a division with Patrick Mahomes Like, that's not
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a good spot to be in. So they hire Sean
Payton and they right the ship. They get Russell Wilson
to be the best version of what he can be.
They kind of right the offense as much as they can.
And if bo Nicks hits, the Texans all the stuff disappears.
You've got a quarterback you're not paying anything to. It'll
clean up your cap. You'll be winning games and everybody
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will forget at it. That's not the NFL gives you
micro wavable stars. Heat them up a little bit, ready
to roll every other sport in this country. The way
the draft works is you got to put them in
the oven. You cross your fingers, and you bake a
minimum two years before they can actually help. You. Think
how great Wemby is. Wemby's the best prospect ever, including Lebron.
(14:22):
I was telling my wife this weekend. He can do
things Lebron can't. I mean, there'll be many things that
Wemby will do that Lebron could never do. Is he
going to have the same career legacy?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Who knows? Titles? Who knows?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But as great as he is, he goes to the Spurs,
they don't win one more game. They're awful without him,
they're awful with him, and they won't be any good
this year. That's that's the way everything else works the NFL.
The coach is competent, the quarterback's really good, All your
problems go away, and I'm watching the Denver game, and
I'm thinking, oh my god, this this has a Peyton breeze.
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Think about how bad the Saints were this The Saints
were the laughing stock in the National Football League pre
Breeze and Peyton. The Houston Texans were the laughing stock
in the NFL pre Demico Ryans and c J. Stroud
and Nix looked exactly like he look in college. Oregon
schemed him up, Sean Payton schemed him up. Accurate, available,
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doesn't get hurt, experienced, boom, and we are in a
very impatient society. I'm as guilty as anybody. The NFL
is the sport that rewards you. And I'm just watching
this and I'm thinking to myself, like God, two years ago,
the Denver Broncos knew by the end of the first
game of Nathaniel Hackett's first game as a head coach.
Remember the game in Seattle, it was Pete Carroll, Face
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and Russell Wilson. By the end of the first game,
You're like, Nathaniel Hackett doesn't understand the clock, Like literally
does not understand how to use the clock. It was
I tried to defend it. It was awful, and they
had to eventually like hire somebody who could handle the clock.
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So it all disappears that Ponicks can play, and it
was great. I'm watching Jaden Daniels. What's the grossest franchise
in the NFL? You know, Cleveland or Washington the last
seven eight years, Dan Snyder mess could all be solved. Uh,
Chicago Jurassic you know, they can't get offense right. They've
never had one great quarterback that's had a twelve year run.
(16:29):
It could all be solved. And now Denver, most of
my life has been like the Steelers with mountain ranges.
You know, it's like kind of well run, smart, some trophies,
you know, a semi viable they've had, you know, your
Peyton Manning, You're John Elway, your Big Ben, You're Terry Bradshaw.
They've had big stars and it's like they were a
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mess and you're like, I mean I was thinking a
year ago, how do you get out of this? I mean,
Deshaun Watson for all the issues, can still play like Russell.
You're like Sean Payton doesn't like him and he can't play.
How do you get out of it? Draft bon Nicks,
if that's gonna be a reasonable bull fac simile of
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what bon Nicks is with Sean Payton, it could very
much be the Saints. You had what you would call
and it doesn't happen much in the NFL. You'd have
a dead franchise. It's it's just done and then it's not.
I mean the Texans felt, did they not like they
were dead franchise? Bow Knicks talked after his NFL debut.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I could tell it was a little bit faster, faster.
It was definitely more professional. I mean, the guys are
in the right spots, they're disguising, they're doing well where
they're supposed to be. But you know, I felt very
you know, calm and relaxed. But there was just a game.
They were still in cover three in quarters and man,
I mean it's the same defense and so you just
got to figure out which one they're in and then
execute the play that's called. I thought we did a
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great job with our play calls today. We stayed in rhythm,
We ran the ball efficiently, and that's always nice. And
so overall it was a very productive day.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The other thing that may help him is through Auburn
and Oregon, he had a lot of different offenses and
a lot of different coordinators. So this is somebody that's
never truly been comfortable and could come back a year
after year after year with the same offense. And we
know it to be true in the NFL, no matter
how gifted you are. It has helped Josh Allen to
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start his career with Brian Davile.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It really helped.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Him and Andy Reid's been incredibly valuable. Remember the first
couple of years of Patrick Mahomes. He came in raw
in the first two to three years, he would go
off the fairway, his mechanics would go into the tank,
and Andy would bring him back like this stuff matters.
I don't think bo Nicks is talented enough to overcome
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a restrictive conservative play calling, head coach or culture. I
don't think he's that good. But Sean Payton, I'm watching
that thinking that this could this thing be Drew Brees
and Peyton it completely turning around the Saints. It feels
like it to me, it could be. Here's Ryan with
the news.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
News, all right.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Colin Jordan Love didn't take long to make a big
splash this preseason. He completed this sixty five yard touchdown
pass to Dontavian Wicks on the third play. Matt Lafleur
said after the game that Love will set out next week,
and here's Jordan's answer when asked about the reps.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean I think we.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Could we could go into it just jumping in the season,
but I think maybe get a couple more snaps here
in the preseason will be be nice. I mean, like
you said, when we got three three plays a night,
so I'm just being able to get out there, get
back in that mode. It was nice to you know,
get in the game today, but I think getting a
longer drive and a couple more plays up might be nice.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
A lot to be excited about.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, I think I think this has turned the table.
You know, we don't have practice video. You know, we
don't have meetings with Jordan Love. We don't see the
day to day stuff that they do. So when they
signed him, we all thought, God, can they kind of
wait till like November first? But they're seeing stuff in
the building that I also think it has to be noted.
You have to say this, remember Aaron's last year there,
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with all these young receivers, there was a generational gap
he didn't trust Christian Watson Romeo Dobbs. They'd have a
big drop. Remember Watson dropped him all down the sideline
against the Vikings in week one, and it felt like Aaron,
as he tends to do, ghosted it well. Jordan generationally,
he's the same age of these guys or three years older.
So it just feels like Green Bay to me is
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like it's like a big recruiting class coming in at once,
and they're all kind of part of the same recruiting class.
Jordan was the first class, and then these other guys
came in a couple of classes after him, and it
just like they're all kind of growing together, which is
and that's kind of an issue. Tom Brady used to
talk about that, like he would go introduce himself to
what his tech like, he got very old. Rrett Farv
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got very old very fast. Matt Stafford's wife has talked
about this. You get very old. You're thirty seven and
the guy's coming in here twenty one. You have nothing
in common.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Part of why this has worked so quickly is it's
like I would imagine Jordan Love and those receivers and
tight ends. Dude, they're they're laughing about the same jokes,
they're listening to the same music, and it just feels like,
to me, Aaron's last couple of years there felt a
little prickly and a little disjointed. Front office to Aaron,
Aaron to the receivers all. Nothing kind of felt like
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there was any symmetry. It's not a shot at Aaron.
It's like he wasn't getting along with the front office.
Aaron wasn't really tight with the receivers. Hell, he wasn't
tight with Devonte Adams. And it now feels like, Oh,
it's this young, ascending team and it's like it, Oh,
Matt Lafleur is still young, coach, Jordan Love's still young quarterback,
the receivers are all young, they're old lines young. It
just feels like you don't have this tribalism or these
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people that are like the old coordinator resents the new guys.
They're all It's honestly, it feels like Green Bay about
three years ago, had this huge recruiting class and they're
all like juniors. They may not win until their seniors,
but they all feel like they're all juniors now and
they know how to win.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
All on the same timeline. Now all pulling in the
same direction, all have their priorities in the same place,
which wasn't always the case with.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Aaron Rodgers all Right.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Eighth overall pick JJ McCarthy made his preseason debut this
weekend for the Vikings. After throwing an interception on the
opening drive, the rookie responded in a big way. McCarthy
finished eleven of seventeen for one hundred and eighty eight
yards and two touchdowns. After the game, his head coach,
Kevin O'Connell discussed how impressed he was with how McCarthy played.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Clearly, everybody can see the arm talent. I just loved
seeing him come right back after you know, the interception
and still be aggressive, still stay true to you know, footwork, timing, rhythm,
where's I should be. So there was a lot of
positives with JJ's performance today in a lot of areas
where we'll be able to hit the ground running when
these guys are back in on Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, he was better than I thought. And what's interesting
is he and Sam Darnold have some similarities. They'll throw
an occasional pick, but they both move well. They played
with a ton of confidence, they're loose, they're willing to
kind of let it go. Even his interception to Jack Jones,
who's had a kind of a troubled personal life, but
he's super talented corner for the Raiders, like long Beach
poly kid, really really talented player, was not a terrible interception.
(23:24):
It was just a nice play made by a good corner.
So no, I mean with JJ, it's hard because we're
all these other quarterbacks. I kind of knew what I
was getting with JJ. It was such a run and
defense dominated offensive line, coach dominated Michigan program.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Throw a single pass against Penn State on the road
and one harball was suspended many games as hardball calling
the place with JJ, am like, I'm not quite sure
exactly what he is. And then I watched the game
and I thought, oh, that's he's a little bit more
dynamic with his feet that I remember at Michigan. But
then I was thinking he may have been at Michigan,
but they didn't they didn't need him. I mean, Michigan
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was playing with elite Michigan probably rained him in. It's
like Justin Herbert, you didn't really know Justin Herbert could
move like that at Oregon because they didn't have a
good backup, so they didn't let him run.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Stroud at Ohio State until the Georgia game, You're like,
he's a pocket quarterback. And then you watch it run
around past Georgia guys, You're like, oh, he can do that. Well,
they didn't feel comfortable with backups. Well JJ McCarthy Michigan
was so dominant the last two years. They were thumping
Ohio State, so it's like they there's no reason.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To take big risks with him. Why.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, they had one elite receiver, they had the
best O line in the country. They literally led every
big game. It felt like comfortably by mid third quarter.
So you don't rest. There's a Herbert CJ. Stroud to it.
Like I felt like the onion got peeled. I got
another layer in this game. I'm like, Oh, he can
move around, he can make plays with his feet more.
I mean, I knew he could move. He wasn't a statue,
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but you don't feel like you quite know exactly what
you're getting on him. Not that he was protected, it
just wasn't a part of their winning formula, that's right.
He was kind of managed, and that's not a negative
like Harbaugh's like, kid, I don't need you to throw
thirty times. You're not gonna throw in the second half
of this game on the road. We're not gonna risk it.
I'm upstairs, you know, I'm in a hotel, calm the
plays in whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Do you feel like JJ's gonna get multiple starts at
some point before the end of the season. I mean,
if you look at the Vikings schedule, we can see
that it looks like he may get more than just
one start this season.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, my feeling is they they they want to go
with Donald Donald.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I do believe.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I mean, this is all vanilla schemes, preseason stuff. Donald
could beat San Francisco. I don't think. I think JJ
McCarthy get a little overwhelmed. So again, let's not overreact
to it. But if you look at the first four
to five weeks, Niners defense, Demiico, Ryan's defense, Jets defense.
So Darnald's not whizzing through that thing. But I think
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Darnald can keep them competitive because he's seen so many
things in the NFELL. Even if you if it was
a draw, wouldn't you let Donald get you to the
bye yeah, just confidence wise, and then it's easier for
you as a coach to your locker room to say, guys,
we're two and three and we're averaging eighteen points a game.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We're gonna go with a kid, right.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Instead of going with the kid first he gets beat up,
you go to Donald. Then eventually, if he doesn't win,
you have to go back, like, let's make it clean,
let's go. If I was a staff I'd say let's
get to the by with Donald.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Absolutely, and then definitely.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Because once you go to Jj, you don't want to
go back right exactly. It definitely feels like they need
to get to a point tour. It's pretty clear the
playoffs are a long shot. As long as you're remotely
in contention. You don't want to be going back and
forth between the two quarterbacks, especially with the first year.
I mean like that's sort of what the Steelers were
forced to do with Kenny Pickett at one point, and
that's when you knew it was over. And you don't
need to be doing that with the first round pick
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in his first season. And JJ McCarthy, all right, we'll
wrap up with this, Brandon and I you trade request saga.
It continues, at least for now. Jeremy Follower is reporting
that it's pretty much down to the Steelers or staying
with the forty nine Ers. Meanwhile, Adam Schefter's reporting that
Pittsburgh has made a strong offer to the Niners and
a contract offer to Ayuk. Now, we could also point
(27:16):
out that the forty nine Ers had to cancel their
joint practices with the Saints this week because they just
don't have enough players to make the practices worthwhile. This
is due to injuries in addition to the Ayuk and
Trent Williams holdout hold in situation.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
John Middelkoff had a funny line last night in the podcast.
He said, this may be the only receiver that would
sign a four year, one hundred million dollars deal and
be bitter about it. But I do think you have to.
There's two things working against Ayuk. San Francisco won games
before he got there, and he's just simply not as
valuable as Christian McCaffrey or a Trent Williams or Kyle Shanahan.
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He is just really talented, he's not as valuable. And
the second thing that works against him is they went
and drafted two receivers.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
They have, they have Jennings, they have Kittle.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
San Francisco is not short on like offensive weaponry, and
the NFL draft gives you minimum eighteen wide receivers a year,
and a lot of these got Puka Nakua fifth round,
Tank Dell later rounds. It's the one position that furnishes
the NFL with immediate star players. I mean, you get
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about one star quarterback a year and one star left
tackle per year, maybe two really high end ed rushers,
three good corners. Wide receiver, you get you Puka Nakua.
You're like, three weeks in, You're like he's a one.
I mean, Amaran Saint Brown fourth round, Puka fifth round,
Tank Dell mid round. That's not infrequent. That's like happening
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all even Branda Ayuk was a late first round pick,
Deebo was a second and they're both stars. So I
think that does work against him. I don't think he
has a ton of leverage. And you know, there's a
reason they drafted two wide receivers. Now they're both dinged up,
But I think part of that was not as much
need as it was like leverage.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah, providing themselves an escape patch if they things got
too contentious, which is apparently where they continue to sit
right now between I, you and San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
All right, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
By the way, Lebron James MVP, all I watched that
and I thought to myself, you know, if you'd just sold,
if you had have told Lebron you're gonna gonna come
to LA and you're gonna get a title and get
to another Western Conference final, you've.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Been like, oh, that's pretty good. You watch that.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Lebron now at thirty nine's the MVP, and you're thinking, man,
have they not done a good job with him? And
we'll talk about that later. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong top
of next hour. Mark Schlareth is joining us the ronco
expert on our staff on what he witnessed.
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Speaker 1 (30:50):
Very popular radio show in Denver. He's got three super
Bowl rings, multiple time pro bowler, Fox Sports. One of
the Bedrock guys here, Mark schle with his joining us.
He just wrapped up his morning show in Denver. So
I gotta tell you I watched Bone Nicks and I
thought to myself. I talked about this early that the
college draft in football gives you kind of microwavable stars
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heat them up, they're ready to go. It doesn't matter
if you're Bryce Harper, you could be Wemby, you could
be a hockey star. You put it in the oven,
you cross your fingers, You're bake a couple of years
and hopefully they help you out. But my takeaway is
as big a mess as Denver was. Nat Hackett draft
Capital cap hell is a mess. And I watched that
and I went, are these the Texans are we looking
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at like?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
This is They'll become a model of how to get
out of a cap disaster. Now, I could be overstepping
it here, but he looked like he look in college.
I mean, they've already named in the starter for next week,
have they not, Mark?
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Yeah, they certainly have. Bon Nicks played exceptionally well. And
I think you know a couple things NFL teams have
to do. I think we have to do it as people, Colin.
You have to be honest with yourself, right, and you
have to know what your strengths are, but more importantly
what your weaknesses are. And you have to understand that
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you have to build the majority of your football team
through the draft, because when you go after everybody in
free agency, you're paying eight plus dollars for b minus talent. Yeah,
and so what the Broncos did was saying we're gonna
stop the bleeding, like we are gonna you know, we're
not putting band aids over gaping wounds anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
We're going with Bonnicks.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
And oh, by the way, the best fit in my opinion,
of any of the quarterbacks that were taken in the
first round.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
He was sixth overall.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
I just thought he was a perfect fit for Sean
And ultimately, you know, you look at the way he played,
and I always talk about just pocket presence. The kid
has unbelievable pocket presence. And you saw everything come to fruition.
You saw him stand in the pocket, deliver the football
on time accurately. You saw him manipulate inside the pocket,
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never taking his eyes down to focus on the rush,
always keeping him downfield delivering strikes. You saw him scramble
out of the pocket when he was under durest but
continue to focus down the football field and complete. His
first completion was to corl and Sutton on a third
down and ten for a first down outside the pocket.
You saw him operate on third down as an offense.
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You saw everything you needed to see. And bon Nicks
is legitimately going to be the Day one starter for
the Denver Broncos at the quarterback position. Without question. In
my mind, this is I mean, it's just a fact.
Zero sacks in that game. Everything that Russell Wilson wasn't
last year for Sean Payton. Bon Nicks was I know
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it's only one preseason game, but this is the been
the way it's been all preseason through practices with Bnicks.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, now that there's a thinction.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Now, Justin Field took a lot of sacks for the Bears,
but PFF told you it was like the fifteenth best
a line, the Broncos O line with a left tackle
that's elite, more than workable at the guard. Like I
look at the O line, I'm like, I don't think
it's a disaster when I watched them play. But let's
talk about that because it's a position you know better
(34:21):
than anybody. Is that because a quarterback gets sacked, there
is a tendency to think the O line's terrible.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
That's not necessarily what it means. Explain that.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Yeah, well, I think what you have to understand is
that quarterback sacks, to me are more of a quarterback
driven statistic than they are an O line driven statistic.
The way the game has changed is that the majority
of the throws made within the context of your offense
are quick, three step and five step in nature, where
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the ball is coming out one to two and it
it's coming out under two and a half seconds. So
if your quarterback doesn't throw the ball on time or
pulls the ball and scrambles around, especially at the backside
of the pocket, now those sacks go on the quarterback.
And if you look at the Denver Broncos last year,
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of the forty five sacks they gave up, I bet
you close to three quarters of those sacks were credited
as Russell Wilson's fault. And that's unacceptable, Like that is unacceptable.
And the worst part of that for me as an
offensive lineman is when the quarterback comes out and doesn't
jump on the hangar nad. You want to talk about that,
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You want to talk about a guy that will be
hated in the locker room, and that will piss me off.
Is when he takes five sacks and of the six
sacks that were giving up, and then he comes out
in the press conference afterwards and says, yeah, we got
to protect better. No no, no, no, no, we what are
you a French waiter? No, you got to play better.
We don't have to protect better, you know, with all
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your we we So you know, one of the big
emphasis with that game yesterday with the Never Broncos is
zero sacks, and that's going to be like, when you
give up a sack in the course of a drive,
you have almost zero chance after that sack to score points.
Your scoring ratio drops down to like eight to ten
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percent or something crazy like that. I don't know exactly
what the percentage is, but your almost zero ability to
score points if you give up a sack and a drive.
So having quarterbacks not taking sacks because they understand what
they're doing in the context of the offense becomes vitally important.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You know, bo Nicks and Peyton get a little bit
of a break with scheduling, so you open with Seattle,
but it's a brand new staff. You also have Vegas.
At the end of it, you're at the Jets, but
again the Jets are one of the Jets. You're at Tampa, winnable,
Pittsburgh get home with a quarterback issue. You start looking
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at the first Now it gets a little t after that,
But what is I mean?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I look at that with the rookie.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Quarterback and Minnesota's early schedule is land mines everywhere. I
look at this and I think pretty workable. What is realistic?
As somebody who knows players there Sean Payton privately, what
do you think is workable in the first five or
six weeks?
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Yeah, no, I think they could come out of the
first five or six weeks with a either.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
A winning record or kind of a you know, kind
of a three and three type.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 11 (37:31):
And yet ultimately, you know, here's the thing that ends
up happening, you know, with with national analysts is they'll
say a, you know what, talent is questionable here.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
They don't have a lot of talent, And I'll say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
You're mistaken. They don't have a lot of name value.
They have a lot of talent, but the talent that
they have hasn't created a name for itself yet. You know,
the first game I ever played in Colin was again
in Philadelphia about halfway through the season my rookie year
in eighty nine, when I became a starter, and I'll
never forget it. It changed the trajectory of my career.
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And have somebody believe in you is can It can
mean so much to you as a player, but just
as a parent, if you believe in your kid, the
best thing you can do for your kids is to
believe in them. And I'm sitting on the bus, scared
as all get Out'm going to open up my career
in the VET in Philadelphia against you know, Reggie White
and Jerome Brown and Clyde Simmons, you know. And I mean,
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this is the number one defense in football. And our
quarterback is Doug Williams. And he walked on the bus
and he walks by me, and then he stops. He
turns around and he backs back up and he tass
me on the shoulder. I take out my headphones, and
he said, listen, the only difference between you and them
is they had a chance to go out and make
a name for themselves. And because in today, you have
(38:57):
a chance to go out and make a name for yourself.
Completely believe you're gonna do that. And I end up
getting a game ball in that game and getting in
a fight and the you know, I mean the whole
nine yards, this guy by the name of Mike Pitts,
I am wearing his ass out and he swung at me.
He threw a punch at me, and I try to
decapitate his ass because I was like, I'm a tenth
(39:19):
rounder from Idaho.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You're not punking me.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
I guarantee you that that's not gonna happen. And ultimately,
I got a chance to make a name for myself.
These guys that played for the Broncos right now haven't
had that opportunity. But trust me, at the end of
this season, they're gonna be four or five guys who
make a name for themselves that are going to become
those guys that you look at and go, Wow, that
(39:41):
team's more talented than I thought. Yeah, and they just
don't have name value yet.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, I've said this.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
They've got two workable backs, potentially three receivers. I like
a good left tackle they have. They lack a rush end,
which they drafted, So to me, cross your fingers on that.
One of the best corners, safeties are good linebackers, move
great coach. I don't buy this that Minneso. I say,
Minnesota and Denver. I keep hearing they're gonna finish fourth,
(40:07):
and I'm like, I don't know. I see a lot
of players.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
We gotta run. We gotta run. Mark Schlair, good seeing you, Bud.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
You two called take care of body.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, all fired up. That's that's what's great about the NFL.
I watched Denver now and I'm like, why can't they
be a playoff? Look at they're starting first seven games.
You got a Saints in there, Carolina in there, Pittsburgh
in there, Vegas in there.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Why not? How or two next
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