August 13, 2024 • 22 mins
Colin is hardly surprised the Jets are facing another contract issue with star pass rusher Haason Reddick because the Jets front office always finds themselves in a problematic situation. He gives the latest on the contract stalemate between Brandon Aiyuk, the 49ers and a potential landing spot emerging in the AFC. Plus, Mark Few joins the show to give a behind the scenes look at team USA winning the gold medal.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, it is a Tuesday. We got a good
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in tow today the show yesterday last hour, the Jets
Hassan Reddick situation is now more inflamed. They made a
move for him. He held out five million in fines.
Now he says he wants to be traded. So I
was thinking about this driving in this morning and how
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to position you know this story, and I thought so
much for people, for businesses, for life. So much of
what we do is not about our actions. It's about
how we handle bad days, our reactions. Everybody has bad days.
Michael Jordan had bad games, bad days. People get divorced,
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they go into bankruptcy, good people they get, you know,
their scammers everywhere. How do you react to it? How
long are your dips? And I can remember my dad
saying years ago, like recessions are garage sales for the prepared,
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Like how long is the dip?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Don't live up? You know you don't need.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
A fourth is third house in the sixth car? Be
ready for the dips from our economy. And so the
story comes out for the Jets about Hassan Reddick, and
the downside for the Jets is it's not the distraction.
Every team has distractions. It's that he's actually a really
good player in a place of need. Because Bryce Huff,
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who led them with ten sacks last year and was
their highest graded pass rusher according to PFF, went to
the Eagles, so they need a pass rusher. It's not
the distraction necessarily, it's his talent, his skill, his ability.
He plugs a hole and the Jets have never been
good with the dips. This team has very thin margins.
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Garrett Wilson's their only great receiver. Mike Williams can't stay healthy.
Love him, but he can't stay healthy. Their offensive line,
Tyron Smith never gives you a full season. Elijah Vera Tucker,
I like him, hurt a lot, so their margins. They
are one receiver injury and one running back ankle twist
from having issues. And now they've lost their best pass
rusher and the guy they brought in wants to be traded.
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So their margins are thin. But it's okay. This stuff
happens to everybody. But I'll give you an example of
people that are prepared. The Chiefs have had to rebuild
their own line, their defense, and their wide receiver room,
and yet they end up in Super Bowls and win them.
The LA Rams have had massive coaching turnover. Mcvay's lost
four coordinators. They have a different defensive coordinator every other year.
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Aaron Donald now leaves, Andrew Whitworth leaves, Matt Stafford's been hurt.
Cooper Cup is out seven years. McVeigh five playoffs, two
trips to the Super Bowl. They draft well. Their dips
are brief The Ravens have lost great coaches, They've missed
on draft picks. Lamar's been hurt. They've lost people the
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free agency, and the Ravens are always in the super
Bowl bubble. Philadelphia sign Carson Wentz to a huge deal,
then they moved off him. They won a super Bowl
with Nick Foles Doug Peter. They move often. They hire
Nick Sirioni, they get to another Super Bowl. Everybody in
life has dips. Action is about fifty percent of life.
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The other fifty is reaction.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
How do you.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Handle the dips? The Jets don't handle them well. So
it's not just that their GM missed on a left
tackle and a quarterback because he's hit on like eight
to ten players, but those are ones you can't miss on,
especially over a two three year period. They're head coach.
He's had public snaffoos calling out Aaron Rodgers, why are
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you going there? And if you've had public snaffoos, you've
probably done stuff behind the scenes that's not great, either
in meetings or in you know, conversations. So it's not
that the Jets necessarily make more bad moves than everybody else,
but they're not good with the dips. The Rams were
supposed to be in a rebuild. They were a play
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away from the NFC championship last year with an incredibly
young roster.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Aaron Rodgers leaves the Bay Packers. A year later, they're better.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Everybody's losing star quarterbacks, everybody's dealing with injuries, everybody's losing
a great coordinator, everybody's got to hold out, everybody loses
a great pass rusher. It's not that the Jets have
more crap going on, but they don't know what to
do with it. They don't react well. I mean a
prime example is they have and because they don't have
any like real identity, they let Aaron Rodgers come in
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and Aaron's like, I want Nat Hackett. No, No, Jets
hired Net Hackett. Now they're bailing water to get another
coordinator to run the clock or call plays for their
offensive coordinator. So, when you don't have an identity, which
the Jets don't, impulsive owners their identity that you're willing
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to be pushed around by a star player. I want
Alan Lazard, I want Nat Hackett. Yeah, how's that worked out?
So it's the distraction here is not the big issue.
It's they literally lost their best pass rusher and they
need this pass rusher. And they don't come across as
very organized in the process, and they are. I mean,
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you can go look at Philadelphia Rams Chiefs R. Forty
nine ers, forty nine Ers, draft Trey Lance Whiff, oh
my boom, Brock Purty, you got it solved, Brandon I
you draft two receivers. Trent Williams hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, they didn't overcome that one. But that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is is the Raiders and the Jets and historically the Bears,
and everybody's losing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Everybody's got bad days.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I mean, good god, the Packers lost Farv and Aaron Rodgers.
They were within a year. You're like, may be better.
They're organized, they have an identity, they have a plan.
They're the dips in life. Everybody has them. Efficient, smart people.
They're very brief and with the Jets they never are.
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Speaker 3 (07:03):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The two worst trades in Major League Baseball history both
belong to the Red Sox. They gave up Babe Ruth
and they gave up Mookey bets So and you think, oh,
I'm being hyperbolic here. Mookie Bets has been gone for
two months. The kid's incredible in their prime, in his prime.
The Red Sox are like, we're gonna move him to
the Dodgers. Yeah, you'll need a search party to fine
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the players they traded for him. Because only one guy
they got for Mookie Bets still remains with the Red Sox.
Don't need a lot of sleuthing. One guy's left. Mooky
returned last night and here's his second at bat.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
This is blasted Westfield, indeed on the track at the
Mooky Bets back with the vand a two run homer
for Mookie Bets. The Dodgers strike first in Milwaukee. Who
needs a rehab assignment?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not Mookie.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, there's a rule in business, never let great walk
out of the door. And in the six months after
they signed Mookie Betts, six months later, the Dodger signed
him to a twelve year extension. They knew what they had.
Probably the best player in baseball. He'll play any position.
They put him at short last night. You want to
go play right field? He didn't even really have a rehab.
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He's worked out at home. He has bats all over
his house. He grabs the swings. I mean, he didn't
go to the minor leagues. He can play anything. Last
night right field, shortstop, played second base, probably could pitch,
play catcher, the smile. He's great in the locker room.
He's a leader, he can run any defensive position, most
well liked guy in the clubhouse. He can hit for power.
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And the Red Sox let him go. They let great
walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's just now.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
All they had to do with the Dodgers, all they
had to do was eat David Price's contract. I mean
that might as well be I mean the siding of
Haley's comet. Who remembers it? David Price? Where'd he go? Yeah,
I mean, like like the contract. I remember, it was
a bad contract. But in the end, you've got Mookie
Betts for twelve years, who's just an absolutely unbelievable player.
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And I'm watching last night and I'm like, I know,
Aaron Judge is great, but do the Dodgers have the
two best players in baseball between Mookie Betts and Shoheo
Tani and Otani this year?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know he's not. He's d eight.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So Mookie's given you defense he's given you offense, he's
given you shortstop, and it's just it's incredible. By the way,
since the Dodgers traded for him, I was looking at
some numbers this morning. Since the Dodgers traded for him,
the Dodgers have the most wins in baseball, the number
one the first run differential, the second best home run differential,
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the best team at ERA, and the Red Sox are
seventeenth or lower in all those categories. They let great
walk out of the building. This guy's unbelievable shortstop, second
right field. It's he'll play him. By the way, since
he arrived, he's been top five an MVP voting, I
think three or four times. Also, he has one hundred
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and twenty four home runs in five hundred and forty
four games. And when you look at him, he's slight.
He's not a big guy. Oh Tawny and Aaron Judge,
John Carlos Stanton, some of the guys in this sport
look like home run hitters.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He reminds me a little bit of Joe.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Morgan, although Morgan was a second baseman, left hand and smaller.
But you're always like, how does Joe Morgan generate all
that power. He's a little guy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And he batted third for the big Red Machine.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You watch Mookie Betts and you're like, how how does
he generate all that power? He swung from the heels
on his first at bat and kind of flopped over.
He is also a profoundly good bowler, so whether it's
baseball or bowling, he hovers around three hundred a lot.
But it is remarkable that you don't see great players
moving into their prime traded very often. It's not like
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he was a disruptor. He was wonderful in the clubhouse.
Everybody loved Mookie Bets, but they know the Red Sox financially,
they had it to get somebody to eat a big contract.
And I lookt up and I'm just like, that guy
is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He has changed.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I know we give a lot of press to O Tawny,
but Mooky Betts arrived. It just changed everything. And last
night was his first game back. He'd been out for
a couple of months. They call it a five tool player,
but if he had personality and leadership, he's probably a
seven tool player. And his first game he also had
a RBI single and just the energy around him he's
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always smiling, there's great energy. First guy up the steps,
dugout to greet somebody. It's just watching him last night,
I'm like, how in the world did the Red Sox
let him go? Babe Ruth and Mookie Betts And we
don't talk a lot of baseball on this show, but
it's very rare when you watch a sporting event. You
see it in basketball a lot and somebody jumps off
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the screen. That's like, you know, a t O when
he was an NFL player, was so big and strong
for a wide receiver, he like jumped off the TV screen.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Lebron's like that. Shaq was like that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Watch a baseball game with Mookie Betts and even at
it's pace, which is slow, just if he's involved in
a play, who's that guy? Who is that guy? Mookie
Betts returns for the Dodgers. So the Aaron Rodgers book,
I'm about seventy percent through it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It is it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I was watching an interview this morning with Aaron on
a New York morning show, and.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, he's just he's just prickly.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He just you know, and he's one of these people
that believes increasingly that he's a truth teller, like Elon
Musk views himself as that, even though his platform often
has to put underneath one of his tweets, yeah this
is not true. His own company is like, yeah, the
guy who owns us is just making crap up. But
he views himself as sort of Aaron as sort of
a truth teller. I do my own homework. It's Elon Musk.
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We have a presidential candidate like that. We've got podcasters
like that. I am the one giving you the real story.
I've done my own homework. And he comes across complex.
He can be sweet, he can be thoughtful. There's a
lot to unpack, and I'll give you more thoughts on
that book because there's one thing to defend Aaron Rodgers.
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There is one element of that book where I found
myself for about thirty minutes feeling sorry for Aaron Rodgers
and one of the things he went through. It's Ian
O'Connor wrote the book. It is called Out of the Darkness,
The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers. He was going to write
a Lebron book, and he said, you know people had
come out and written Lebron books. And the one reason
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he wrote it was because of the mystery around Aaron Rodgers.
And when you read this book, there are a lot
of layers on the onion appeal. I mean there is
there's a lot to appeal his great grandfather who looks
like Aaron. The first chapter is incredible. I mean, in
a fighter pilot enemy territory like Aaron's life story is
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a mile deep and a mile and we'll get to
that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh okay, here's a story for me and Rappaport. Brandon,
I you counted receiver for the forty nine ers. The
Steelers and Niners have a deal in place. Sources say,
if San Francisco gives the final sign off, it's done.
But San Francisco has a offer out to Brandon Ayuk
as well. I'm sure it's just not as much. And
so what would I do if I was Brandon Ayuk
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and I'm not telling players on a regular basis to
take less. You're going to get more open, more often
and win more games in San Francisco. You could probably
make more money in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Either choice is fine.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, do you want to be playing in games
in January and February or watching them on TV?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It may not matter.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Brandon Ayuk's like, hey, I can make you know, if
I can make seventeen million dollars more over the course
of four years, I'll take the money. I'm not against it.
But what's happening in people are confusing the value of
wide receivers, which has been enhanced over the last decade
because of rule changes with you got to have a
number one and you don't. If one of these two
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San Francisco draft picks the fourth of the first round
receiver hit, then you'll have them. Jennings, Debo, McCaffrey, Kittle,
Trent Williams, Purdy, you can win a Super Bowl. I
think having a number one receiver totally overvalued, having weapons undervalued.
And I'd say this, I like I, you know, if
I was Brandon Nayuk. I watch when you watch the
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Rams play, Why is Cooper cup wide open? Everybody knows
he's great? Why's Pokinakua wide open schemes? Why is George
Kittle wide open schemes? Wise Pittsburgh struggle sometimes to get
pickin's the ball, lack of schemes. So when you play
with these, it's it's like having a good boss at work.
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Or you're a salesperson. What are you selling? If you
have a good product, you're selling viagra or heart medication,
you gotta make a lot of money as a pharmaceutical
sales person. You got the right products. It's if you're
a wide receiver in this league, it just who your
coach is matters. You see a lot of wide receivers
get frustrated they're not getting the ball. Stefan Diggs defensive coach, coach,
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Pickens upset defensive coach, defensive culture Buffalo even with Josh
Allen's a defensive culture.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You look at these you look at these wide receive
justin Jefferson, they can't get their quarterback right. He likes
Minnesota offensive coach. Everybody in LA offensive coach. I mean,
they've taken draft picks for the Rams to tow at
Well that looked like a bust and they've made him functional.
So do you want to win games? Do you want
to be open more? You know, it's also if you
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go to Pittsburgh, Pickens is more talented, I would argue
than Brandon Ayuk in terms of raw talent. And so
now you've got two guys that want the ball. Debo
is not taking snaps or completions from you. On San Francisco,
you're the deep threat, You're the you're the over the
top guy, and that's a good place to be. Pickens
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and Ayuk share some of the same abilities deep, So
you know, it's it's it is what it is. I'm
not you do what you got to do, but I'm
telling you you look at wide receivers, the really good
offensive coaches scheme them open and but for a lot
of guys, and I get this, not everybody loves football.
They like what football gives you, and it can give
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you a lot of money and fame. And I'm not
judging you do whatever you want. A lot of people
get into local news. I work with twenty weathermen. Some
loved weather, some wanted to be on television. He both work.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so I think leaving Kyle Shanahan is an offensive player,
like Christian McCaffrey was good in Carolina. Now we say
is the second best running back behind Peyton. Kyle's part
of that. I mean Cam Newton never had back to
back winning seasons. Do you think that would have been
the case with Sean mcvays's coach or Shanahan. So that
stuff matters. I've said before in our business, don't chase money.
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I mean, once you get older, take everything you can get,
but find there's a lot of money, find good management.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's rare.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Finding a great offensive coach Andy Reid, Shanahan, McVeigh who
can elevate everybody on the offensive roster. They're just not
many of those guys man Sean Payton, there's like six
in the league. Shane steikin. Every quarterback's his best with
Shane Stike and he leaves. Now we're not even sure
if Jalen Hurts is a guy.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Are you surprised we're not hearing about compensation from Pittsburgh
because I'll tell you right now, Steelers fans will, I
mean they will go to the facility with pitchforks.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
If they're giving up two first.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Round picks for Brandon Nyuk and paying him thirty five million,
there's no I think there's we're not hearing about the
compensation for a reason.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't think the Niners again that much.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
There's no way they're getting to first colin.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
No. I think you give up a first and you
cross your fingers that Debo stays healthy and one of
these draft picks is productive receivers a position you can
be pretty productive. Puka Naku is Tank Dell pretty productive
right out of college. So again, I like Brandon Nyuk,
I think more than most people, and he's gonna get
rich either way. But I just when I look at
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this stuff, and my take is we have in the NFL.
If you're the highest paid quarterback. You don't win Super Bowls, right,
So some I've always said, if you're a big, strong
guy that doesn't get hurt, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,
take a little team friendly deal, play the long game.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You'll make your money in endorsements.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
If your Jalen hurts, Lamar Jackson gets dinged up a lot,
Tua Kyler Murray, take the money. Burrow, Joe, Burrow, Joe,
take the money. You got so many injuries. It's different
for everybody. And so for Brandon Ayuke, I'm like, bro.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So okay.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
The last player that I can think of, Colin who
did one of these holdouts and you're not giving me
my money. I'm saying it was Levey on Bell and
it ended so spectacularly badly for him that why don't
the forty nine ers just call Ayux Bluff and say, listen, man, sorry,
you got to play for us, you are under contract,
come and play. And if he sits out the whole season,
that's a lot of fines that never.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Goes well for the player.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Why would you trade him now?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It just doesn't make any sense to.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Me that first run.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
A lot of coaches don't want a disruptions or noise
in the locker room. And that's that's things go sideways.
You have a two game losing streak and all of
a sudden he's disruptive, and now you've got to move
him and player the locker room take sides. The young
players are on his side. The old you know, a
George Kittle and a Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They want to ring. Those guys want to ring.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Young guys are like, pay the guy so you can
have a divided locker room.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Billy Martin, the late great baseball manager, used to say, uh,
you know, like half the people in the locker room
love you and half hate you. Just keep the undecideds
away from the ones that hate you. Like it was
something thereabouts, is that your locker rooms get divided very quickly.
You go in a losing streak. The young guys want
to see him get paid. The old guys are like,
I've been in this league twelve years. I got three
hundred million in the bank. I want a trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Can we justick? We want a trophy.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So even in locker rooms and the Niners had been noisy,
this offseason.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So it's not easy.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
If brann and a Yuk has been noisy, Trent Williams
is less noisy.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, And I mean again, it's there's a lot of
different ways to get your money and fame. I think
it's very hard. As a wide receiver. I would struggle
leaving some of these offensive coaches. There's about five in
the league, and they just make everybody better. Yeah, and
I think Kyle's one of them. But again, if again,
if the numbers come out and I makes twenty two
million more as a Steeler with less taxes in Pennsylvania
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than a Niner, it's hard to not justify.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
The move like I would get it.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Then. Ayuk is the first known man to ever wanted
to play for Arthur Smith, the new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Now, come on, that's a fact.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Nobody ever wants to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Play for this. He's had some pushback, some pushback.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Wait, let me just take is he the one who
was champion of that quarterback who was the quarterback from
Cincinnati who was that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well it didn't work out. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Like, that's my guy, that's my quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Well, you got to say stuff publicly. Sometimes you have
to say certain.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Things born on third base Arthur Smith, Well.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Come on now, let's not go there. He very respected
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, it is a Tuesday. We got a good
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in tow today the show yesterday last hour, the Jets
Hassan Reddick situation is now more inflamed. They made a
move for him. He held out five million in fines.
Now he says he wants to be traded. So I
was thinking about this driving in this morning and how
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to position you know this story, and I thought so
much for people, for businesses, for life. So much of
what we do is not about our actions. It's about
how we handle bad days, our reactions. Everybody has bad days.
Michael Jordan had bad games, bad days. People get divorced,
(01:35):
they go into bankruptcy, good people they get, you know,
their scammers everywhere. How do you react to it? How
long are your dips? And I can remember my dad
saying years ago, like recessions are garage sales for the prepared,
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Like how long is the dip?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Don't live up? You know you don't need.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
A fourth is third house in the sixth car? Be
ready for the dips from our economy. And so the
story comes out for the Jets about Hassan Reddick, and
the downside for the Jets is it's not the distraction.
Every team has distractions. It's that he's actually a really
good player in a place of need. Because Bryce Huff,
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who led them with ten sacks last year and was
their highest graded pass rusher according to PFF, went to
the Eagles, so they need a pass rusher. It's not
the distraction necessarily, it's his talent, his skill, his ability.
He plugs a hole and the Jets have never been
good with the dips. This team has very thin margins.
(02:41):
Garrett Wilson's their only great receiver. Mike Williams can't stay healthy.
Love him, but he can't stay healthy. Their offensive line,
Tyron Smith never gives you a full season. Elijah Vera Tucker,
I like him, hurt a lot, so their margins. They
are one receiver injury and one running back ankle twist
from having issues. And now they've lost their best pass
rusher and the guy they brought in wants to be traded.
(03:04):
So their margins are thin. But it's okay. This stuff
happens to everybody. But I'll give you an example of
people that are prepared. The Chiefs have had to rebuild
their own line, their defense, and their wide receiver room,
and yet they end up in Super Bowls and win them.
The LA Rams have had massive coaching turnover. Mcvay's lost
four coordinators. They have a different defensive coordinator every other year.
(03:28):
Aaron Donald now leaves, Andrew Whitworth leaves, Matt Stafford's been hurt.
Cooper Cup is out seven years. McVeigh five playoffs, two
trips to the Super Bowl. They draft well. Their dips
are brief The Ravens have lost great coaches, They've missed
on draft picks. Lamar's been hurt. They've lost people the
(03:49):
free agency, and the Ravens are always in the super
Bowl bubble. Philadelphia sign Carson Wentz to a huge deal,
then they moved off him. They won a super Bowl
with Nick Foles Doug Peter. They move often. They hire
Nick Sirioni, they get to another Super Bowl. Everybody in
life has dips. Action is about fifty percent of life.
(04:09):
The other fifty is reaction.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
How do you.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Handle the dips? The Jets don't handle them well. So
it's not just that their GM missed on a left
tackle and a quarterback because he's hit on like eight
to ten players, but those are ones you can't miss on,
especially over a two three year period. They're head coach.
He's had public snaffoos calling out Aaron Rodgers, why are
(04:32):
you going there? And if you've had public snaffoos, you've
probably done stuff behind the scenes that's not great, either
in meetings or in you know, conversations. So it's not
that the Jets necessarily make more bad moves than everybody else,
but they're not good with the dips. The Rams were
supposed to be in a rebuild. They were a play
(04:54):
away from the NFC championship last year with an incredibly
young roster.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Aaron Rodgers leaves the Bay Packers. A year later, they're better.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Everybody's losing star quarterbacks, everybody's dealing with injuries, everybody's losing
a great coordinator, everybody's got to hold out, everybody loses
a great pass rusher. It's not that the Jets have
more crap going on, but they don't know what to
do with it. They don't react well. I mean a
prime example is they have and because they don't have
any like real identity, they let Aaron Rodgers come in
(05:26):
and Aaron's like, I want Nat Hackett. No, No, Jets
hired Net Hackett. Now they're bailing water to get another
coordinator to run the clock or call plays for their
offensive coordinator. So, when you don't have an identity, which
the Jets don't, impulsive owners their identity that you're willing
(05:49):
to be pushed around by a star player. I want
Alan Lazard, I want Nat Hackett. Yeah, how's that worked out?
So it's the distraction here is not the big issue.
It's they literally lost their best pass rusher and they
need this pass rusher. And they don't come across as
very organized in the process, and they are. I mean,
(06:09):
you can go look at Philadelphia Rams Chiefs R. Forty
nine ers, forty nine Ers, draft Trey Lance Whiff, oh
my boom, Brock Purty, you got it solved, Brandon I
you draft two receivers. Trent Williams hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, they didn't overcome that one. But that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is is the Raiders and the Jets and historically the Bears,
and everybody's losing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Everybody's got bad days.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I mean, good god, the Packers lost Farv and Aaron Rodgers.
They were within a year. You're like, may be better.
They're organized, they have an identity, they have a plan.
They're the dips in life. Everybody has them. Efficient, smart people.
They're very brief and with the Jets they never are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
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Speaker 3 (07:03):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The two worst trades in Major League Baseball history both
belong to the Red Sox. They gave up Babe Ruth
and they gave up Mookey bets So and you think, oh,
I'm being hyperbolic here. Mookie Bets has been gone for
two months. The kid's incredible in their prime, in his prime.
The Red Sox are like, we're gonna move him to
the Dodgers. Yeah, you'll need a search party to fine
(07:30):
the players they traded for him. Because only one guy
they got for Mookie Bets still remains with the Red Sox.
Don't need a lot of sleuthing. One guy's left. Mooky
returned last night and here's his second at bat.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
This is blasted Westfield, indeed on the track at the
Mooky Bets back with the vand a two run homer
for Mookie Bets. The Dodgers strike first in Milwaukee. Who
needs a rehab assignment?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not Mookie.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, there's a rule in business, never let great walk
out of the door. And in the six months after
they signed Mookie Betts, six months later, the Dodger signed
him to a twelve year extension. They knew what they had.
Probably the best player in baseball. He'll play any position.
They put him at short last night. You want to
go play right field? He didn't even really have a rehab.
(08:26):
He's worked out at home. He has bats all over
his house. He grabs the swings. I mean, he didn't
go to the minor leagues. He can play anything. Last
night right field, shortstop, played second base, probably could pitch,
play catcher, the smile. He's great in the locker room.
He's a leader, he can run any defensive position, most
well liked guy in the clubhouse. He can hit for power.
(08:48):
And the Red Sox let him go. They let great
walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's just now.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
All they had to do with the Dodgers, all they
had to do was eat David Price's contract. I mean
that might as well be I mean the siding of
Haley's comet. Who remembers it? David Price? Where'd he go? Yeah,
I mean, like like the contract. I remember, it was
a bad contract. But in the end, you've got Mookie
Betts for twelve years, who's just an absolutely unbelievable player.
(09:14):
And I'm watching last night and I'm like, I know,
Aaron Judge is great, but do the Dodgers have the
two best players in baseball between Mookie Betts and Shoheo
Tani and Otani this year?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know he's not. He's d eight.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So Mookie's given you defense he's given you offense, he's
given you shortstop, and it's just it's incredible. By the way,
since the Dodgers traded for him, I was looking at
some numbers this morning. Since the Dodgers traded for him,
the Dodgers have the most wins in baseball, the number
one the first run differential, the second best home run differential,
(09:44):
the best team at ERA, and the Red Sox are
seventeenth or lower in all those categories. They let great
walk out of the building. This guy's unbelievable shortstop, second
right field. It's he'll play him. By the way, since
he arrived, he's been top five an MVP voting, I
think three or four times. Also, he has one hundred
(10:04):
and twenty four home runs in five hundred and forty
four games. And when you look at him, he's slight.
He's not a big guy. Oh Tawny and Aaron Judge,
John Carlos Stanton, some of the guys in this sport
look like home run hitters.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He reminds me a little bit of Joe.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Morgan, although Morgan was a second baseman, left hand and smaller.
But you're always like, how does Joe Morgan generate all
that power. He's a little guy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And he batted third for the big Red Machine.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You watch Mookie Betts and you're like, how how does
he generate all that power? He swung from the heels
on his first at bat and kind of flopped over.
He is also a profoundly good bowler, so whether it's
baseball or bowling, he hovers around three hundred a lot.
But it is remarkable that you don't see great players
moving into their prime traded very often. It's not like
(10:48):
he was a disruptor. He was wonderful in the clubhouse.
Everybody loved Mookie Bets, but they know the Red Sox financially,
they had it to get somebody to eat a big contract.
And I lookt up and I'm just like, that guy
is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He has changed.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I know we give a lot of press to O Tawny,
but Mooky Betts arrived. It just changed everything. And last
night was his first game back. He'd been out for
a couple of months. They call it a five tool player,
but if he had personality and leadership, he's probably a
seven tool player. And his first game he also had
a RBI single and just the energy around him he's
(11:26):
always smiling, there's great energy. First guy up the steps,
dugout to greet somebody. It's just watching him last night,
I'm like, how in the world did the Red Sox
let him go? Babe Ruth and Mookie Betts And we
don't talk a lot of baseball on this show, but
it's very rare when you watch a sporting event. You
see it in basketball a lot and somebody jumps off
(11:47):
the screen. That's like, you know, a t O when
he was an NFL player, was so big and strong
for a wide receiver, he like jumped off the TV screen.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Lebron's like that. Shaq was like that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Watch a baseball game with Mookie Betts and even at
it's pace, which is slow, just if he's involved in
a play, who's that guy? Who is that guy? Mookie
Betts returns for the Dodgers. So the Aaron Rodgers book,
I'm about seventy percent through it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It is it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I was watching an interview this morning with Aaron on
a New York morning show, and.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, he's just he's just prickly.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He just you know, and he's one of these people
that believes increasingly that he's a truth teller, like Elon
Musk views himself as that, even though his platform often
has to put underneath one of his tweets, yeah this
is not true. His own company is like, yeah, the
guy who owns us is just making crap up. But
he views himself as sort of Aaron as sort of
a truth teller. I do my own homework. It's Elon Musk.
(12:50):
We have a presidential candidate like that. We've got podcasters
like that. I am the one giving you the real story.
I've done my own homework. And he comes across complex.
He can be sweet, he can be thoughtful. There's a
lot to unpack, and I'll give you more thoughts on
that book because there's one thing to defend Aaron Rodgers.
(13:12):
There is one element of that book where I found
myself for about thirty minutes feeling sorry for Aaron Rodgers
and one of the things he went through. It's Ian
O'Connor wrote the book. It is called Out of the Darkness,
The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers. He was going to write
a Lebron book, and he said, you know people had
come out and written Lebron books. And the one reason
(13:33):
he wrote it was because of the mystery around Aaron Rodgers.
And when you read this book, there are a lot
of layers on the onion appeal. I mean there is
there's a lot to appeal his great grandfather who looks
like Aaron. The first chapter is incredible. I mean, in
a fighter pilot enemy territory like Aaron's life story is
(13:57):
a mile deep and a mile and we'll get to
that next.
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh okay, here's a story for me and Rappaport. Brandon,
I you counted receiver for the forty nine ers. The
Steelers and Niners have a deal in place. Sources say,
if San Francisco gives the final sign off, it's done.
But San Francisco has a offer out to Brandon Ayuk
as well. I'm sure it's just not as much. And
so what would I do if I was Brandon Ayuk
(15:13):
and I'm not telling players on a regular basis to
take less. You're going to get more open, more often
and win more games in San Francisco. You could probably
make more money in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Either choice is fine.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, do you want to be playing in games
in January and February or watching them on TV?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It may not matter.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Brandon Ayuk's like, hey, I can make you know, if
I can make seventeen million dollars more over the course
of four years, I'll take the money. I'm not against it.
But what's happening in people are confusing the value of
wide receivers, which has been enhanced over the last decade
because of rule changes with you got to have a
number one and you don't. If one of these two
(15:54):
San Francisco draft picks the fourth of the first round
receiver hit, then you'll have them. Jennings, Debo, McCaffrey, Kittle,
Trent Williams, Purdy, you can win a Super Bowl. I
think having a number one receiver totally overvalued, having weapons undervalued.
And I'd say this, I like I, you know, if
I was Brandon Nayuk. I watch when you watch the
(16:15):
Rams play, Why is Cooper cup wide open? Everybody knows
he's great? Why's Pokinakua wide open schemes? Why is George
Kittle wide open schemes? Wise Pittsburgh struggle sometimes to get
pickin's the ball, lack of schemes. So when you play
with these, it's it's like having a good boss at work.
(16:36):
Or you're a salesperson. What are you selling? If you
have a good product, you're selling viagra or heart medication,
you gotta make a lot of money as a pharmaceutical
sales person. You got the right products. It's if you're
a wide receiver in this league, it just who your
coach is matters. You see a lot of wide receivers
get frustrated they're not getting the ball. Stefan Diggs defensive coach, coach,
(17:00):
Pickens upset defensive coach, defensive culture Buffalo even with Josh
Allen's a defensive culture.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You look at these you look at these wide receive
justin Jefferson, they can't get their quarterback right. He likes
Minnesota offensive coach. Everybody in LA offensive coach. I mean,
they've taken draft picks for the Rams to tow at
Well that looked like a bust and they've made him functional.
So do you want to win games? Do you want
to be open more? You know, it's also if you
(17:31):
go to Pittsburgh, Pickens is more talented, I would argue
than Brandon Ayuk in terms of raw talent. And so
now you've got two guys that want the ball. Debo
is not taking snaps or completions from you. On San Francisco,
you're the deep threat, You're the you're the over the
top guy, and that's a good place to be. Pickens
(17:52):
and Ayuk share some of the same abilities deep, So
you know, it's it's it is what it is. I'm
not you do what you got to do, but I'm
telling you you look at wide receivers, the really good
offensive coaches scheme them open and but for a lot
of guys, and I get this, not everybody loves football.
They like what football gives you, and it can give
(18:13):
you a lot of money and fame. And I'm not
judging you do whatever you want. A lot of people
get into local news. I work with twenty weathermen. Some
loved weather, some wanted to be on television. He both work.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so I think leaving Kyle Shanahan is an offensive player,
like Christian McCaffrey was good in Carolina. Now we say
is the second best running back behind Peyton. Kyle's part
of that. I mean Cam Newton never had back to
back winning seasons. Do you think that would have been
the case with Sean mcvays's coach or Shanahan. So that
stuff matters. I've said before in our business, don't chase money.
(18:50):
I mean, once you get older, take everything you can get,
but find there's a lot of money, find good management.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's rare.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Finding a great offensive coach Andy Reid, Shanahan, McVeigh who
can elevate everybody on the offensive roster. They're just not
many of those guys man Sean Payton, there's like six
in the league. Shane steikin. Every quarterback's his best with
Shane Stike and he leaves. Now we're not even sure
if Jalen Hurts is a guy.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Are you surprised we're not hearing about compensation from Pittsburgh
because I'll tell you right now, Steelers fans will, I
mean they will go to the facility with pitchforks.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
If they're giving up two first.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Round picks for Brandon Nyuk and paying him thirty five million,
there's no I think there's we're not hearing about the
compensation for a reason.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't think the Niners again that much.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
There's no way they're getting to first colin.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
No. I think you give up a first and you
cross your fingers that Debo stays healthy and one of
these draft picks is productive receivers a position you can
be pretty productive. Puka Naku is Tank Dell pretty productive
right out of college. So again, I like Brandon Nyuk,
I think more than most people, and he's gonna get
rich either way. But I just when I look at
(20:02):
this stuff, and my take is we have in the NFL.
If you're the highest paid quarterback. You don't win Super Bowls, right,
So some I've always said, if you're a big, strong
guy that doesn't get hurt, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,
take a little team friendly deal, play the long game.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You'll make your money in endorsements.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
If your Jalen hurts, Lamar Jackson gets dinged up a lot,
Tua Kyler Murray, take the money. Burrow, Joe, Burrow, Joe,
take the money. You got so many injuries. It's different
for everybody. And so for Brandon Ayuke, I'm like, bro.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So okay.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
The last player that I can think of, Colin who
did one of these holdouts and you're not giving me
my money. I'm saying it was Levey on Bell and
it ended so spectacularly badly for him that why don't
the forty nine ers just call Ayux Bluff and say, listen, man, sorry,
you got to play for us, you are under contract,
come and play. And if he sits out the whole season,
that's a lot of fines that never.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Goes well for the player.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Why would you trade him now?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It just doesn't make any sense to.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Me that first run.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
A lot of coaches don't want a disruptions or noise
in the locker room. And that's that's things go sideways.
You have a two game losing streak and all of
a sudden he's disruptive, and now you've got to move
him and player the locker room take sides. The young
players are on his side. The old you know, a
George Kittle and a Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They want to ring. Those guys want to ring.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Young guys are like, pay the guy so you can
have a divided locker room.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Billy Martin, the late great baseball manager, used to say, uh,
you know, like half the people in the locker room
love you and half hate you. Just keep the undecideds
away from the ones that hate you. Like it was
something thereabouts, is that your locker rooms get divided very quickly.
You go in a losing streak. The young guys want
to see him get paid. The old guys are like,
I've been in this league twelve years. I got three
hundred million in the bank. I want a trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Can we justick? We want a trophy.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So even in locker rooms and the Niners had been noisy,
this offseason.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So it's not easy.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
If brann and a Yuk has been noisy, Trent Williams
is less noisy.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, And I mean again, it's there's a lot of
different ways to get your money and fame. I think
it's very hard. As a wide receiver. I would struggle
leaving some of these offensive coaches. There's about five in
the league, and they just make everybody better. Yeah, and
I think Kyle's one of them. But again, if again,
if the numbers come out and I makes twenty two
million more as a Steeler with less taxes in Pennsylvania
(22:18):
than a Niner, it's hard to not justify.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
The move like I would get it.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Then. Ayuk is the first known man to ever wanted
to play for Arthur Smith, the new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Now, come on, that's a fact.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Nobody ever wants to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Play for this. He's had some pushback, some pushback.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Wait, let me just take is he the one who
was champion of that quarterback who was the quarterback from
Cincinnati who was that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well it didn't work out. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Like, that's my guy, that's my quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Well, you got to say stuff publicly. Sometimes you have
to say certain.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Things born on third base Arthur Smith, Well.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Come on now, let's not go there. He very respected
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