August 14, 2024 • 47 mins
Richard Sherman interviews Chicago Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, and Richard asks the all-pro about the Bears' newest additions (Caleb Williams, Rome Odunze, and Keenan Allen), the Hard Knocks experience, how he feels about getting snubbed from the NFL Top 100, and who he thinks are the top cornerbacks in the NFL. Jaylon also flips the script and asks Richard about his upcoming Hall of Fame eligibility and what it took for Sherm to get to the next level during his time with the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers.
5:00 - 2023 Bears chaos
9:00 - Caleb Williams & Rome Odunze
18:00 - Hard Knocks
30:00 - Games Jaylon has circled this season
34:45 - Best NFL corners
43:00 - Jaylon interviews Sherm
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Speaker 2 (02:01):
All right, man, you go ahead. Welcome back to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. We got a special guest PFF's highest
rated corner last year, Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
How you doing, brother, I'm good getting called a big
dog from a big dog.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Hey, you out there putting it on tape. I can't.
You got to get credits words too, even though they
didn't on the top one hundred. I said, come on.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Now, that's all good. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of respect for me,
and I'm sure you get a lot of respect from
your peers, even though the top one hundred, it gets
skept it sometimes because it was a couple of times
I wasn't on there where I was like, man, what
are y'all doing? Like I want to say, I was
second in the league and picks one year and I
wasn't on there. I was like, okay, this cap yeah, fact, yeah,
it's big facts. But how you how you feeling? I
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see you got engaged.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh yeah, no, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
At the crib. That's how to step outside. She make
us a fool right now. So she holding it down
for me. She still cooking on her last month or
so of baby girls, So I mean she really need
to be sitting down because who knows when the baby
gonna come at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But now I'm blessed man. Just got a new crib.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, family coming along well, I mean healthy doing
my thing camp. So God well and everything's going well
and continue to go well.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm happy to hear that. Man, that's the best part
of life you got because you got a little one.
You got a little girl already, this second little girl.
So you straight girl, dad, Yeah, that big girl, dad. Yeah. Yeah,
and then training camp they letting y'all come home because
you vets.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Oh yeah, well, I this is my first year, so
being on year five, they said five and the buck
get to go home.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So hey, yeah, I'm in that big boy boat. Now
I'm enjoying.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Coming home to the crib, even for a few hours
obvious sleep by ten thirty eleven at the latest.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I mean, I mean, I'm enjoying.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It right right. You got to take care of the
pregnant wife. You gotta make sure she good with her
feet a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Hey, you know, your time, but her time, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So how you feel it? You know, last year was
kind of chaotic. Obviously it was your best season, second
team off pro. You played at a really high level,
But in terms of that building, that seemed to be
a lot of chaos, especially when Alan Williams kind of
resigned out of nowhere. Then Hebert Flutes took over the
play calls, and like, what was it like in the
building at that time?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Honestly, man, it was a lot of up and downs
because I felt like, of course, coming off that year
we went three or fourteen, it was tough, so I
think kind of just coming of course we had a
TJ tremain, we added a few more pieces on defense.
So going into the year, I felt like it it
was kind of hopeful, and then a lot of things
kind of just started trend in the wrong direction for us,
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so it kind of it was tough.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Again.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean, we had a streak I think of almost
like seventeen games straight of losing or something like that,
So I mean for us it was well. For me,
I know, it was hard just going through, of course
a different regime and then not having the success and
then losing and losing again, like you said, having Alla
Williams stepped down, and then kind of not knowing where
things were want to go from there. So I mean,
for me, it was honestly a lot of uncertainty. Man,
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I'm on my contract. Yeah, I'm like, man, I'm trying
to find somewhere to be stable.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And and then it's like, no, I'm not feeling a whole
lot of stability.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So I mean, really just going through all that, and
of course you start kind of hearing the talks of
if we're going to have the head coach a game
for the third year, kind of just all of those
things start to kind of creep into your mind and
then I think for me, honestly, it was just like man,
at the end of the day, my table is my resume.
I just got to continue to go out here and
who at the end of the day. So, I mean,
for me it was it was up and down. But
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at the end of their business is business, and I
know for me, I had to handle my best way
I could and things started turning around for us for
the good. So I mean, things worked out well, but
it definitely did start out really shaky and didn't really
know how the future was gonna look.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean that that's what it seemed like. I was.
It's always unfortunate because when you're in a contract year
you out there, you want to play good football and
be part of a good defense. And you know y'all
had some pieces, but you know, your d line needed
a little bit of help, and I think they found
some help. You know, you needed some help offense league
because they weren't necessarily doing what they needed to do,
but you still were abrashan and get your money. They
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franchised tagged you, I know, you know when that happened.
They happened to a couple of corners and everybody was uncertain.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was like you sneed.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I was like, damn it just really not paying the
corners this year.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, fact.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And then they got it figured out. So was there
any ever a time in there they called you and
we're like, hey, you know, we might trade you. I
talk to your agent or your agent was like, well,
you know, they're talking to teams and trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Honestly, not that I know of, at least not that
they told my agent. I know, even when I did
ask for a trade right at that trade deadline, I
know it was again kind of going back to what
we were talking about earlier, just kind of trying to
find a steady home.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Things weren't going good. So I'm like, man, at end
of the day, I'm trying to go find.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Somewhere to get paid one and then also to go
have a chance to win. But I feel like they
knew what they were doing, and they they declined the
first one, except that the second one and then gave
me an opportunity to go see something. But at the
end of the day, it was one situations where they
weren't going to no, but no other team was going
to give up all that just for for for a corner.
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That's something you can do for a cornerback first rounds
and all that. So, I mean they made it, they
made it tough, but it ended up working out. But
I think too, when they got to the off season,
there was definitely no trade involved. I thought he was
very open and transparent that I wasn't gonna be No,
I wasn't going nowhere. They weren't gonna trade me or
deal me anywhere, And if they had to use the
tag twice, then of course that was what would have
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been done. But there was Yeah, I didn't think I
was ever gonna go anywhere. After I'd say, they didn't
trade me at the deadline?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, I mean your homegrown talent, you know. Yeah, any
good organization you got to keep your homegrown talent, especially
the ones that develop into Pro Bowl All Pro players.
If you letting them go, then what's the what's.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
The Yeah, shut it all down.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Just shut it down. But y'all, you got some new
teammates this off season. Obviously, Caleb came in with all
the expectations and k ran you into that that gauntlet
of an interview and he gave you all that headache,
but you got Keenan, you got wrong, and then you
already had DJ tell me because Keenan. Now, for those
who will play corner and those who don't deal with
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the Keenans and the Davante's and the dusk ball ones
of the world, understand, he got some stuff back.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So something different, something completely different.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So how has it been? You know, I know you've
gone against him, but being teammates with him and getting
to see his work ethic day in and day out,
and just kind of teammate and player he is.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Honestly, it's crazy because you see his personality when just
like throughout the league. Of course you score touchdowns and
do his little dance, but he actually cool, like a
cool guy. Like, yeah, I know he's a little older.
I think he's like thirty two on pushing thirty three.
I think, so, I mean kind of just for him
to be that I'm not evenna say that old, but
in football years, for him to be a old head,
he's definitely still young.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He has a young, young soul.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
He can go out there and talk to the rookies,
or he can talk with the ogs and the bets.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
He's been around. You can talk to him about anything
every day.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He has a good, fun, loud personality, so I mean
definitely makes him be in locker room a lot easier
because it's not like he's.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Just on the old head that come in, put his
head down and leave.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Like now he's gonna crack some Joe's, talk to some guys,
play some card games, whatever whatever it is. He's definitely
an open guy. But as far as competing, I mean,
I love competing against him. I mean when, of course
we got all those guys for me, I'm like, hey,
they ain't gonna come in here and work like naw,
this ain't gonna be just the offensive show just for me,
especially like I always love Keenan games, so it's like
when we when he came, I'm like, oh no, hey,
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I need to Hey, I'm trying to lock him up
and so like. So I mean, for me, that was
always like my mentality. But it's one of those things
that we can definitely have that competition, but we can
also still talk and still be cool. But it's definitely
nothing but competition with a guy like that. I feel
like he's somebody who can come in here and really
make you better as a corner for me, that's not
somebody his style of games than somebody that you see often.
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So I think being able to get the difference in DJ,
the big catch guy, the after catch type of guy,
then you have Keenan, a more savvy route runner.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You kind of get you kind of get it all
with him and DJ and.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Then learning coming in bringing him young fresh legs into
the feel like it's definitely something that you definitely gonna
have to get better.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And for me, I've tooken the challenge on.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I mean, I was trying to go out there and
go as long as I can without giving him a
catching one on one. So I mean, I'm just trying
to find ways to push myself and to push.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Them as well.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, y'all got a really good secondary and and
y'all have had it for a couple of years. Brisker
is gonna be a good player. Young Kyler got a
chance to get to know him and watch him when
he was at U DUBH. He's gonna be a really
good player. Y'all got the d line kind of roaring.
Eric Washington's in the fold, and I know he's bringing
line to the Buffalo scheme to y'all the quarter stuff.
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How has that transition been for you as a corner,
because I know y'all ran a little bit of cover too.
I've seen you make quite a few plays. This guy's
cover two, jumping down, coming out the flag, going to
the seventh. Has it been much of an adjustment for
you just getting to learn the new playbook or have
they just kind of like kept the playbook and tightened
it up a little bit and maybe sprinkle a little
new stuff in.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, No, it's good exact. They're really just sprinkling the
new some new things in. I know even last year.
It's funny, the one the pick that you talk about,
we were really in poems. So you, I promise you,
because look look look look hear.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Me, hear me, hear me.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I seen him for Mason, So on my head, I'm like,
I know I'm to the field.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
He sees me off.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
He probably gonna try to bang this fire yard in,
but I already knew it was a fire yard and
they wanted seven behind it, So I'm like, okay, so
I'm kind of seeing it and I'm in my ham
and no, I'm gonna make a play. I don't like
just catching that little pass and tackling it. So I'm like,
if he throws this short round, I'm gonna drive it.
So sure enough he called it for me. Look I
took off boom. I seen him pumps. I'm like, damn,
I gotta get out of there and help get that.
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So I got I stuck my foot in the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Got out there. He threw it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm like, oh, I got it. I took it. With
everybody like seeing it, it was oh yeah, cover too great,
high law. I'm like, nah, I was being greedy and
I got yeah. No, I was trying.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was trying to make a play for so but
it definitely worked out. But really just for for this,
for this this year, and what we're doing is really
a lot of the same things we did last year.
Conda is trying to bring it all together, like you said,
with the Cover two, the Cover three that we were
heavy on at first and now and bringing in some
quarters and ponds, different things, trying to give different looks.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Things like that. I feel like it'll be really good
for us.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And then of course adding that pressure up front and
combining with the different coverages and looks on the back end,
I feel like, well, we can be really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean bringing in Montest Sweat was big. You know,
I don't think people give him credit for how good
he is and how consistent he's been the last I
mean four or five years, he's been really really owning,
really one of the best players. But what about Rome,
Rome was looking I can't I couldn't get a good
feel for him when he was at UW, even though
we watched a lot of their games. But you know,
playing corner receivers that big, you can't tell if they
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really got wiggle like that because you know, not everybody
pressed them, and some of the dudes pressed ain't really
like that. And that's a but what So, what do
you think of his game? Initially? Obviously he gonna have
room to grow. He may grow into something totally different
from what he is, but just as a rookie coming in.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Now, I think just overall, I feel like he has
a very a very solid game, a very smooth game
just going out. I think for me, the biggest thing
that he he'll learn.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And that he is learning, is being.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Able to be crafty in some of those routes, especially
going against more savvy vent that guys that kind of
can put some things together that can look at formations,
that can look at field position where you're at and
release it. You're kinda have to add a little flavor
to it, and I feel he'll learn that. He'll get that,
especially having Keen in the same room. He'll definitely give him,
give him some of those tools. But I thought he's
definitely an athletic guy, a good contested catch guy.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He can go up there and make some really good
contested catches. So I think overall, I feel like the
ceiling is very, very high for him. I feel like
he has everything physically, is just again adding that savviness
to IQ to some of his routes that I think
it will take him really to the next level.
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having Keenan in there and even DJ for for for
a young kid is going to be I mean it's
gonna be an outstanding and I mean having all of
them for for KLYP is going to be. I mean,
who can ask? I said, no doubt, how's it doing hard?
Notots because I prayed we never got on that. I
was playing like it got the cameras in the building
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all the time. You can't really say what you want
to say. You can't just be yourself all the time.
Has that been kind of annoying or has it been
kind of like because some people use it to elevate
their brand and elevate their platform into you know, last
year everybody was talking about a Rod and what he
was doing throughout the year, and it may you know,
I think it changed some people's opinion about it, But
how has it been for you?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Honestly, I don't I don't really mind it.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Honestly, I felt like because a lot of guys like
you miked up and all j I can't talk to you.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I'm like, man, at the end of the day, this
is what like to me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I'm gonna be who I am, like everybody should be
be themselves. And of course there's a level of certain
things we can can't talk about, but I fly for
the most part, I feel like about ninety percent of
things is all is all good. I mean, at the
end of the day, I feel like it's all about
giving people the insight, like the inside scoop of what
it's like being in the NFL, what it's like being
in the training camp. Probably depending on what time of
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the year you got the hard knocks. But I probly
for the most part, I'm myself, like if I miked
up or I don't care, like they're gonna to see
see me for what it is, se the situation for
what it is in our quarters, the professional side of it.
You gotta protect certain conversations and certain things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But I mean, for me, it doesn't it doesn't bother me.
I know some people in that, but now Mike will
start kind of creeping up around over the top.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
People start kind of freezing up, not wanting to talk
and do things like that, and I'm like, hey, man,
they won't. They want the content, they want to see this.
I mean, we just got to get the people what
they want. It's no different than showing up on Sunday.
Don't nobody tighten up?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Now we got to go out here and se who
you are right now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You got the right idea. They put that mic on me.
I did not care. I let everybody know. Look, I
got the mic on me, but I'm about to go
out here and do what I always always do, no doubt.
Well you got you got paid. There's some some momentum
in y'all team, some some optimism obviously with the young
new young quarterbacks, some offensive weapons, defensive firepower. Obviously y'all
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were the number one scoring defense in the second half
of the season. Once Montes sweat out there like that
had to give you guys some confidence of hey, you
know what I mean, we can't put it together when
we need to and when everything's going away we have.
So what are your expectations for your team and your
defense coming into the season. Because I've been part of
some really good defenses and it just sometimes it's just
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holding each other to the standard every day and not
really getting caught up on like hey man, you know
we're chasing these dudes, so we're trying to be better
than them, or we're trying to it's just really stacking
your days and really one day at a time, hold
each other accountable with respect. Like you can't really go
out there and be like, man, you suck man, what
are you doing out there?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Because that yeah, you can't like that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think really for me, the biggest thing is improving
on our finish. I mean, I find for us we
had a few games I know I can speak to
Detroit and Cleveland we were up winning and then lost
the game in the fourth quarter, lost the game coming
down to those last couple of minutes to Whereas like
for us, that puts us in a in a different position.
I fight, just the bigger thing for defense finishing two
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minute drills, finishing just that fourth quarter. I think for
us it really just starts with the preparation. I feel
like we can't it really top to bottom. I fight,
we can't let up off the gas. When you know
you start getting in that two minute mode, you kind
of just start playing back like naw, we gotta still
continue to be aggressive and really well we well, I
like to say it slip people's throats, like now we
can't just come out here and okay, yeah and then
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just think we're gonna stop right now.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They still trying to win the game, like we gotta
start that right now.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
And I feel like for me and what I like
to do is I'm always getting extra work out the practice.
So for me, that's part of like my finishing where
it's like, Okay, I finished practice. I gotta finish my work,
so I know when it is in the fourth quarter,
I still have that dog mentality of like, nah, I'm
locking this fool up, no matter if it's two minutes,
four minute, whatever it may be, if they down ten,
if they down three. Like now, at end of the day,
I'm still in that mode to finish, and I fight
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for me. I'm trying to push guys, get guys to
understand like, nah, we we have a great team, but hey,
it's still gonna be a situation when we gotta finish
guys off. It's not just gonna be handed tools. We
got to go out there and take it against a
man's will. So I fight for us. That's really but
I feel like we can improve on and if we
can do that, I know we'll we'll win a lot
more games for sure. Who you bringing with you as
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far as well.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I heard you say I'm getting some work out of
the practice, but you're by yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm not by myself. I
put like that.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I tell him, Hey, I got plenty of work for God,
if you want to take it. He I don't got
no hit him. He's no taxes, no, none of that.
If you want to come out here and get some work,
I'm here. It's offer to everybody. So I mean, right
now I got I got two rookies and then I
got another guy who just came from the CFL. They're
the most consistent ones right now. I know Takwan, he's
working out with me every day. Before he kind of
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got into some injury things, so I know when he
gets back he'll be back with me. But right now,
now everybody knows, like, hey, Jalen is here after practice
getting work.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's up to them.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
So I mean, I can only bring those around who
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What this will be my two cents again, Your man
Dood who used to be something in our group, we
everybody gotta go. Everybody is back there or nobody's back
there because because in the fourth quarter, like you said,
everything you say it is facts and big facts. That's
winning football. When if you got to be ready fourth
quarter game on line, everybody's hired. But if only Jalen
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Johnson's ready and everybody else ain't ready, we still loose.
And so what we found out is no matter how
strong one of us is, if all of us ain't
that strong, we still loose. And so we if we're
gonna do extra work, we gonna do it like it
ain't really an option. That's the standard. You guys to
do that because you challenge them with their own ambition,
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or do you want to win? Is championship what we
want to do? Or we just want to be in
the NFL like we want to be the best defensive
football or we just want to be some guys out
there that play in the NFL like and a lot
of the guys got that kind of pride and say, man,
I don't want to be the best, then make your
actions match words, brother like, because I ain't gonna cut
you out. I can't make you do nothing, and I'm
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not trying to run you into the ground because I
know we're in trading camp. But if we talking technique
as a corner, you can always get better. I don't
give dang how good you are at your press. You
can always get two more reps, three more reps, get
your eyeplacement, get the receiver. Give me three releases real quick,
like you can always get better. And those few reps
when you tired, when your legs, when you everything's sweating,
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like those are when you need it. Lock in real quick.
Give me too of your best go out there, get keenan, hey,
keen it, come on. I know it's gonna be tough.
Give me, just give me two, three of them, and
I guarantee you won't say no, because that's not how
like winners, that's not how you got here by saying
no to work and so to be that kind of leader.
Leaders lead by bringing everybody along. It's not usually you
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don't even lead from the front. You lead from the back.
If you got to run laps and the time of
the last person is the one that hey man, everybody
got to come in by three thirty, and that last
person's been coming in at three thirty three, then you
go behind, and you make sure you're coming in at
three thirty because you can come in first, ain't have
to run another one because he came in last.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Feel what I'm saying, No, no, that I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's all love. It's all love. I can't I can't
wait to hear why you wanted to play corner?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Geez? Why did I want to play? Honestly, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I didn't even start off really playing corner like I know,
of course, I alway said, nah, probably corner. I started off,
of course, with all league running back. I thought I
was Reggie Bush, play linebacker like I wanted to be
an action like my dad. Like my dad grew my
older brother to play corner from Dye beauty Boy, like
eight years old. My brother played corner all the way
ver until he couldn't play football no more. So even
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for me, I'm like, nah, I want to be an action.
I want to be an action. And then as I
got older, people started getting a little bigger.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm like, nah, I ain't nobody playing a running back
no more. HiT's a little different.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
So I kind of slowly started working my way outside
play a little receiver. And I still that's why I
started playing corner safety kind of learning boat.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Then I got to high school play corner.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
My freshman ye or sophomore year, I played corner, but
I sat behind two D one guys, so I was
behind them.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Play more receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I really didn't get a lot of like touches
that until really my junior year of high school.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I played. My junior year was solid decent.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And then really I started working with my brother, work
with my dad really getting heavy because I was two
sport athletes too.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I played football, basketball, So I.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Never really honed in like on my craft truly, but
really my junior was my junior year hit That's what
I really started honing in on it. And I was
like I always listened to the conversation my dad and
my brother had and I knew a lot, Like I
was really like smart. I was able to retain the information,
but I never had the opportunity to apply it. So
when I started really playing it, I started really applying in.
And I know, we was at the seven on seven
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practice one time, and my dad and my brother like
they're big on work, so like if they don't see
you from the work, they're like, nah, it ain't like
it ain't it. So I was doing my little thing
on the side. And so we was at seven on
seven prior. They was trying to give every look, every route,
and I was just defending locking it up, locking it up,
locking it up. And at first it was like all
this luck is luck. They kept trying challenging me. I
kept doing it boom, and it was okay, you might
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be somebody. So we went to seven or seven tournament,
ended up locking up some four or five star guys.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
My brother was with me talking trash to him. So
really from there it was just.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
One of those things that's like, nah, I can really
be somebody in this and it's not just be something
that was forced throw me that I was born into.
But it's like, nah, I really took that and took
the extreme prize. So I mean, really, ever since my
junior year, I've been fully committed to.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Being out on the island lock as people up.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So what did your brother ever get into the leg
or he just played college or how far did to go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Nah, he played at UCLA, He played at UCLA, finishes
last year at Present State.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Really it was crazy, I till we bought time. He
was he was. He was better than me, like.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Physically, feed footwork, dog pressed off like he had it all.
He was four star, went to UCLA, but he had
we all kind of had the same thing. We had
them shoulder issues. So he went to shoulders first year
for shoulder his second year. So it's like by the
time you get healthier third year, they already brought two
classes of moore and five star guys around, so it's
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like he was still in the mix, still getting in there, rotating,
kind of got into it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
A little bit with the coach on some things.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Played a few games and it's like, okay, going on
all fourth year, I only played in six seven games.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
They still bringing in four and five star dudes. So
it's like after a.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
While he kind of just was like, hey, I already
know kind of how this is shaping out, Like they're
not about to keep messing with me all Like they
got all they guys they bringing in.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So he just ended up getting a degree.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Finishing his last year at Pheland State went there, kind
of got into the same cultural situation where it's like
you coming from where you're coming from, trying to play
a certain style of ball.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
They got their coach already.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Then it's like you to turn to when was the
last time you had some recent tape, because I mean
the tape he did have a damn good tape, but
it's like that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Was two years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So it's like he didn't really have a chance in
him being five to nine.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I mean, that's not that's not idea and in today's game.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So yeah, nah, So he didn't end up getting a
shot and he wasn't like a CF trying to force
it and do nothing like that. So that's really after
that that that's really when he turned into my trainer.
Of course, he was still active in playing, so I
moved him out to Utah with me, got an internship
at Utah, and that ship we've been training. He's been
a trainer, He trained dbs, He trains kids from four
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or five years old to whoever else. So yeah, uh,
well we're from Cali, but he lives with me in
the off season in season, so I mean he's he's
always with me and has his clientele like in Chicago.
Yeah yeah, so he got his clients out in Chicago.
Coach a little seven on or tackle football team.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So he's what's his training thing? God, we can give
him a shot out real quick.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh it's called elite athletic transformation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hey. Hey, if you're in Chicago and you need some
corner work, elite athletic transformations where you need.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
To be at no doubt.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I love it. I love it, man, I love it.
That's gonna be. That's pretty cool though, because I got
a good relation. How many years different?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Fo? He's four years older?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, mine is three? And boy, yeah he right there.
Because they just paid the world for you, and then
you come in behind me, you like I do better
than what they did, and I'm good.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's it. You better stay healthy. I'll be good.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'll be good. I got the you appreciate your brother
from putting the blueprint out there.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I take it from here, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So are there any games you got circle, because I
know you ain't scared to say what your feet to
say on your schedule this year? Y'all got some good matchups,
but anything in particular.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I got a few.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I mean, I'm not I don't know exactly when we
play them all, but I'm looking forward to going against
Calvin Ridley again. I haven't won again went up against
him since my rookie year, so him of course, d
hop hopefully he gets back healthy. So looking forward to
going against that tandem and then show I know that
next week we got some boys down in Houston, Diggs, Tank,
Nico Collins, I'm looking forward to that. Who else we got?
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Who else we got? Of course Justin? I missed Justin
for the last I think two years now. I was
either heard he was hurt, So looking forward to going
against him. Who else we got?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Who else? That's different. I really just say those because
ain't nobody jumped out at me.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean, of course Alm and Rad is always
in the division and things like that, But I probably
for the most part, I'm looking forward to to those.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Oh, Sam France, that's.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The game I'm looking forward to, not necessarily the matchup individually.
Hopefully Brandon Ayuka is there, not then they I'm missing
out on that one. But really other than that DK
that you got to have on I haven't.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I haven't seen him in my career, So looking forward
to those ones. For sure.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You got him at the end of the season too,
we'll be we got that game.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh think were in Chicago? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Thursday night, baby,
We'll be there. Oh yeah, I would say, I'm gonna
sell you out there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'll be there. Uh that's cool. So who is who
is your best? Who the best quarters in the National
Football League right now outside of you?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And we're just saying, are we asking my style or
are we talking just like overall everyone your world. I'm
gonna get I'm gonna get my style. I like because
I feel like it's hard to I don't know. Everybody
judges it different.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Everybody can judge it by interceptions or whatever. But for me,
I'm gonna if I had to put.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
These four guys on an island, I would probably say
I'll go with Pat no in no order, I probably
go Pat Denzel.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Stars. Oh and I can't give myself for who else?
Would I go?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, look, we just gonna assume you on the list.
But we need five.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Right right right right right Ireland, Ireland, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'm gonna go ahead and help and put some names
out there. You gotta give some names playing at a
real high level. Uh, who am I messing right now?
Because he was just Steve Sneak killed in the playoffs
last year. McDuffie killed in the playoffs last year. Here
our various players at a high level. When he was going,
he had a nice over run of four or five
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games where he had a book in each of those games. Uh,
you know out in Seattle to reak. You know, they
got the young young nickel that that's played at the
high level. You got the big the whole big dog
gay years, you got the slaves, you got, you got
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out out in Miami, Marsa. It's whatever you whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Oh that's uh mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That's tough because because Pat Patt is gonna be in
that conversation all the time. Obviously, you played at high level,
you get to be in that conversation all the time.
Year when he's healthy, he's as good as they get.
Marshawn just kind of been overshadowed because they haven't been
very good as a team. H Denzel never really gets
that much credit.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah no, I'll love I love Yeah No.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I took some time to watch to watch those three
so that thought. It was really hard for me because
I just took I know, my off season. I was
watching Path, I was watching Sauce, especially like Sauce.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You hear a lot like you hear some people. Oh
he's old rady. You hear some people say it's really good.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I'm like, not damn that, I need to go watch
my felt I'm like, nah, young boy guy, he got
some things to him for sure. And and to me,
it's like people are saying, oh he holds if he
don't get called for it, he's not holding like then.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Like damn, oh he does this, but he doesn't get caught.
That's part. That's part of it. Pushed off all yeah,
like hey, they pushed off. Nobody said, oh well he
pushed off, Like nah, nobody, nobody cares. So I think
for me, he usually what he got.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I felt like it's really hard to give them or
it's really hard to give them for I fight.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
The playing styles changed after that.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I feel like I love I love watching Snead and McDuffie.
I think it's hard. I feel like it's really hard
to tell when they them boys get a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They get a lot Yeah yeah, but I said they
get out of pressure. But I definitely love love their games.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
If I had to give you one, but I will
say this, in fact, sisten them boys in man.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
All day, all the time. They pressed pressed up.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, no they not.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
They not ducking no smoke for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
What he did to wreaking that playoff game, people was like,
oh man, that's crazy. I said, no, he practiced against
him all the time. He has no fear. Used to
I ain't got no fear. What what other corners that
you when you came in or when you were at
Utah that you were looking at You were like, man,
I'm a model of my game after that, because you
when you were coming up it was it was probably
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lead in there. Uh. Jalen was pretty much in his prime.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Marshawan was young, but he was eating his first few
years in the league.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Slave was killing got modeled. Yeah, I was about to
say I watched. I would say between Jalen Slade, Marshawan, Ja.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Stepan Stepan right, I think you want there?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes? No, no, no, for sure Gilmore for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Oh, I would probably say yeah. I honestly said those fires.
I would say those five for sure coming in and
out of college. Because again, I feel like you watch
to me like I love Jaalen Ramsey's game as far.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
As like how he goes like I just love like
his dog mentime.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I feel like it's something like I cann't watch him
necessarily and like, oh, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Go do that, Like nah, he just does. He just
has some things that God gave him that he.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Got everybody else.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, he skipped everybody else. So now, but it's
like looking at him, he gives you like when you
watch him, it's like, nah, I gotta really be a dog.
So I feel like I've always loved like his mentality.
Of course, his ball skills going up and making those
spectacular players, and just really his energy and energy.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I feel he's very, very contagious.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I feel like more so watching Gilmore, he's like Q
Technie was always something that definitely stood out stood out
to me, and that's something that I that I like as.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Far as guy's being able to you shadow you take him.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like I'm not I'm not impressed by like the interception,
I'm impressed by it, but you can put him on
him and that guy's eliminated out the game. That's what
That's what moves me more so than anything. So I
love that about him. Even Marshaan, I know he was
doing that at an early age. I think you want
he was a Player of the Year for this rookie
year hunh. Yeah, yeah, he came in doing this thing,
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who has always been a dog. I remember watching him
early and just watching his tape and all the trash
he was talking, making plays antics, and I'm like, nah,
he kinda he's.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Small, little man, gonna go out there and do it,
get it, He's gonna fight. So I definitely love always.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Watching DB's Man, I gave a lot of respect to
guys that played this position at a high level, that
go out there and and compete, because I mean, for me,
it's like you'll see you turn on the tape and
you'll watch certain guys he's.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Like, man, ain't no pride in that, Like that ain't
no what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's certain people I couldn't even watch on tape. Like
if I'm I'm trying to judge a receiver, I'm about
to pay somebody if they played certain teams, I wouldn't
even want to they tape because I'm like, that's not
even gonna help me. That's not what.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I can't get a good I can't get a good assessment.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I can't get a good assessment watching this dude. Look
he gave you two fifty, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What do you want to definitely definitely, uh who.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment, like who
blessed you? Because because my second year it was this
receiver Stevie Johnson and nobody really know about it or
nasty that boy in a phone booth you ain't touching
it four seven four six, but in a phone booth
your hands?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, wiggle? Are I blessed me? That? I really in
the path I FL? I really held my own.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Of course I ran over one tonight right right right
right the year, but I probably as far as the past,
I probably one dude who always gave me problems. I know,
like me and Davante was like compet. I wouldn't say
he blessed me. I would I win myn he win
win his, But I would probably say I struggled with
Mike Evans my first my first year.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, no, I know I struggled with him for sure.
Everybody else. I feel like it was.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Kind of like was silent, Like I wouldn't say that,
like I had trouble, but Mike like he was someingm
God like he doesn't do nothing special, it's not nothing
that you don't know that he's gonna do, but it's
like God damn.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Then he got Tom Brady, especially when when I've seen
him he.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Had Tom Brady throwing. So I'm like, hey, I can
I'm right here. He's big, running down the field, all strong,
make it test and catches.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm like, he ain't no different, he ain't no joke.
Look in his hands. He way bigger and stronger than
you ever.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Think he is, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He was one of the ones to be me and
meet him and me and be Marshall. I had a
couple of battles, so I was like God.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
With dinosaurs back, I would say, long lever cats. They
ain't got no wiggle.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They just all strong, all strong, hit you, grab you
right here.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
A couple I made sure I back my linement up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Smart man, you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Can't get it up there, and then they want that.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Smart man was. I ain't gonna take up too much
more of your time. If you got any questions from me,
anything you want to ask, I'm happy to answer. Other
than that, I'll let you. Let you get back to
your old lady, your fiance and your family.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You you well, I don't I know my answer, but
you first, you first ballot.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You think I hope. So you know, I don't want
to jink. You don't want to jinxy, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
There ain't no we gotta put it out there.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Look, you put it out there and it don't happen.
It's out there for yeah. Yeah, Look the rest of
it I had could roll over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Like when I want to call them all that stuff,
but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I hope. So I think I did enough. You know,
I went to three Super Bowls, got enough all pros
and all that, you know, played on enough great defenses,
went somewhere else and we had a great defense and
went to another Bowl. So you know, I think during
my time, I think I would say I was the
best one that playing. But you know, everybody got their opinion.
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So I hope hopefully the voters think that. And you know,
get me in. That would mean a lot to me,
you know, to get that jacket, and and you know
all your hard work, everything you dreamed about as a
little kid comes true. You know, that's the that's the
cool part. But that's what I'm saying about your teammates,
Like if you really want to shine, you bring them
boys along with you. And you and and they get it,
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you know what I mean, Like real competitors, real champions,
real dudes who really want what they say they want.
They don't really question it, you know what I mean.
If you if you got to pull teeth to get
a dude to do some extra work or to say hey,
this is our standard as a dB group and our
dB room and they want to argue it, then they
not really what they say they are, and they probably
gonna get replaced by somebody else. The coaches will see it.
The table show all that, but most dudes ain't built
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like they didn't make it to the league by being
like that. So you might have an off day where
I'm tired or my hamstring herd and the sword, that's different.
But if you say, hey, in this dB room, this
is our standard. This is what we're doing with working
every day after practice. I don't care if it's just
catching a few balls on the jugs or getting a
few releases. Like we go out there, we do not
do the minimum, and dudes be like, no, man, I'm
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going home. You you ain't gonna be what you say
you want to be. You ain't never gonna get there.
So I would say, I would say that was the
biggest thing about the Legion of Boom and our group,
that that that helped elevate us and elevate the guys
around us and elevate all of us. Is that that
was the standard, and it was the standard, and nobody
ever questioned it, nobody saying nothing. You know what I mean, like, hey,
go get your extra work and let's go home. We're
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gonna do a lap around the field. We're gonna do this.
Get your get your teen press coverage reps, or your
your your safety reps, your eye reps, your quarterback throwing
your all whatever, and let's get on out of here.
But the standard is the standard. Nobody's gonna argue with.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
My last one for you, and I know how smart
and intelligent you were, of course.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Off the field, but I know on the field it
was different.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I feel like I ain't seen too many guys in
the National Football League run somebody's round before they ran it.
So I think for me, just always seeing them, he
knows something. I feel like, how did how did you
get to that point? Like how did you Because like
for me, like I can watch film, I get to
a point where like good. I'm good like right recognition,
so I can kind of see, okay, three point one
onto the field based on certain splits.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I can expect certain things.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But how I guess for my question to you is
how did you get to that point to where it
was at the level of which it was as far
as your IQ, you seeing certain things, you calling things
out before it even happens.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Was that kind of studying? Was that? Do you think
you just kind of have a certain type of memory
or something like? How it was at that level it was?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It was a little bit of everything. I played receiver
for a long time in college, and so I learned
West Coast offense under Bill Walsh and under Hofball and
all of them. So I understand what the offense trying
to do from their their their route combinations, like their philosophy,
and a lot of the combinations like a flat two
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to the flat means one coming in or one on
the curral and one on the slant, depending on if
it's quick game or not. Two running the over route
means one coming in. It's either dig or post, you
know what I mean. So certain combinations are married with
other things, and so I practiced that way. I practice
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situational football. That's all I do when I'm watching tape,
when I'm watching our own offense, if I'm in training camp,
I'm breaking down, Hey, are max protect deep developing routes?
What are our offense like?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay, they got they got a tidy end end and
a great digger and a running back staying in max protect,
all right, so they running deep developing routes. What's their
favorite routes? Okay, they like double dig post are they
like come back with a middle read or whatever it is.
And once you learn those things, then let the split
speak to you. Let the situation. Hey, it's third and five.
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What are they like on third and five?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Again?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Like, okay, in the bunch, they like spot where it's
the six to seven the flat and it's like, oh,
they always do it out of emotion. So as I
see that emotion, all right, Now, what I want to know, Hey,
alert this, Alert this. If I see two, If I
see three, go to the flat, I know I didn't increase,
And now I just want to know which one I'm
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trying to bait him into throwing. Hey, you see the
safety down, So he understands his three. He thinks he
has the flat. So if I take away the flat,
I know he takes the seven. So can I hold
the flat long enough to go get the seven? Like
you did in that poem's rep and you did what
something I would do, but you did it subconsciously. You
just did a reactionary, which was really cool. But so
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a lot of it is just understanding the concepts and
our routes are married, like certain routes go with other
routes always, and so they can't really run the concept
without running the second part of it. So now I
got to just know where my eyes are supposed to be. Hey,
my zone two on this play my zone one, because
I don't have any indicator over there with two on
backside of a three by one, and it's third and
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five and I'm with Davonte, and you know it's it's
up from there, you know what I mean? We can
get anyway from there. But a lot of times it
was just me understanding their concepts, understanding the situation we
were in, and not letting the fatigue and the craziness
of a game get me out of my game plan.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
No doubt, no doubt. Well, I thought, that's my that's
my biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I feel like it is understanding it from an offensive
perspective because I feel like, for me, I I can
see it. I'm like, I'm really good at, like you said,
flits for mation situations. Okay, when they want to do
certain things, especially like when I see too, like a
coverage that I can see two two will tell me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
All I need to know about one like I don't.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
And a lot of times like I'll tell like she
was asking, how you know all that I said, I
see number two like too told me what you was
what you was gonna do. So ops is my favorite
unless you just did something completely off script and hey
I got a rally to that, but right, yeah, he
in fact, I just got to chalk that up and
play a little true. But for the most part, I
think for me, it's okay, how does the offense see
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what we're doing and see what I'm doing. I'm like,
that's the biggest thing that I want to get to
tow us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Like when I do know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I can still see how he's seeing, how the quarterback
seeing how the o c seeing it. I think that's
something I want to take to that next level kind
of start thinking and I I don't know who they hell,
I need to talk to I need You.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Can talk to some of them quarterbacks, you can talk
to your old ce. Like a lot of the football
minds ain't trying to keep secrets, especially if guys on
their team. They might you know, it's training camp, so
they might, Oh, we ain't helping you, got it. But
during the season they want you to succeed. So you're like, hey, hey,
could I could I watch a little takee with you?
I just want to understand offense a little better so
I can play better When we playing Cover two, they
got an answer for it when they playing Cover three.
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When they're doing that, all of that and they and
you need to know what they think it and why
is they answer? So where the ball should be coming
so we be in the game. And that's why people
always say, y'all ran in Cover three and like, oh,
it was so simple. It was so simple because we
knew what they were gonna do, and so we knew
where the answers were all the time.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Hyah, ever got a weakness.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They got a weakness. Communicate with the rest of your
dudes too, because that helps you, Like when they know
what you know and everybody knows the same thing.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Together.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
We can be together and you can dictate where the
ball goes. You can say, hey, hey, we got cover two.
It's gonna be it's a three by one, but it's
enough side. They running a seven on the back side
and they running special. All goes special coming from the
three by one side. Hey, we ain't cover three. I'm
not gonna I'm I'm gonna pass this tight end because
I don't want my linebacker running with fee at three three.
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I need my buzzer to drop a little deeper, Hey,
buzz deeper so he can come off that seven. We're
gonna make him throw the flat route to the running
back to the tight end side. But we ain't gonna
let him get that special with him running. Oh yeah,
and so stuff like that. We would. We were just
talking through Hey, Hey, hey Bobby, Bobby, Hey, I got him,
Hey kJ hey drop Hey, I need you deeper. We
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don't rally. We're gonna rally to the to the flat
and we do boo rally to.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
The flatt take it down.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And we got he got. He got a choice or
he could throw me the ball.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You know, he don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
They don't want to do that. But you know, at
times they got they got. But but that's where leadership
and camaraderie and chemistry comes together because you start to
to help other guys do their job. Well you know
what I mean, Like, don't keep secrets out there. It
ain't no point.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I won't try to know what I know, no doubt,
no doubt. I appreciate it for show.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
All love, all love. All right, Better get in there
and go.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Take care of that old lady, no doubt, no doubt.
I appreciate you, but God must respect.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Much respect and love. I'll see you at the end
of the season when we got your game, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I beaver fart
Speaker 2 (47:20):
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All right, man, you go ahead. Welcome back to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. We got a special guest PFF's highest
rated corner last year, Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
How you doing, brother, I'm good getting called a big
dog from a big dog.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Hey, you out there putting it on tape. I can't.
You got to get credits words too, even though they
didn't on the top one hundred. I said, come on.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Now, that's all good. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of respect for me,
and I'm sure you get a lot of respect from
your peers, even though the top one hundred, it gets
skept it sometimes because it was a couple of times
I wasn't on there where I was like, man, what
are y'all doing? Like I want to say, I was
second in the league and picks one year and I
wasn't on there. I was like, okay, this cap yeah, fact, yeah,
it's big facts. But how you how you feeling? I
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see you got engaged.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh yeah, no, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
At the crib. That's how to step outside. She make
us a fool right now. So she holding it down
for me. She still cooking on her last month or
so of baby girls, So I mean she really need
to be sitting down because who knows when the baby
gonna come at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But now I'm blessed man. Just got a new crib.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, family coming along well, I mean healthy doing
my thing camp. So God well and everything's going well
and continue to go well.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm happy to hear that. Man, that's the best part
of life you got because you got a little one.
You got a little girl already, this second little girl.
So you straight girl, dad, Yeah, that big girl, dad. Yeah. Yeah,
and then training camp they letting y'all come home because
you vets.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Oh yeah, well, I this is my first year, so
being on year five, they said five and the buck
get to go home.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So hey, yeah, I'm in that big boy boat. Now
I'm enjoying.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Coming home to the crib, even for a few hours
obvious sleep by ten thirty eleven at the latest.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I mean, I mean, I'm enjoying.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It right right. You got to take care of the
pregnant wife. You gotta make sure she good with her
feet a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Hey, you know, your time, but her time, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So how you feel it? You know, last year was
kind of chaotic. Obviously it was your best season, second
team off pro. You played at a really high level,
But in terms of that building, that seemed to be
a lot of chaos, especially when Alan Williams kind of
resigned out of nowhere. Then Hebert Flutes took over the
play calls, and like, what was it like in the
building at that time?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Honestly, man, it was a lot of up and downs
because I felt like, of course, coming off that year
we went three or fourteen, it was tough, so I
think kind of just coming of course we had a
TJ tremain, we added a few more pieces on defense.
So going into the year, I felt like it it
was kind of hopeful, and then a lot of things
kind of just started trend in the wrong direction for us,
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so it kind of it was tough.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Again.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean, we had a streak I think of almost
like seventeen games straight of losing or something like that,
So I mean for us it was well. For me,
I know, it was hard just going through, of course
a different regime and then not having the success and
then losing and losing again, like you said, having Alla
Williams stepped down, and then kind of not knowing where
things were want to go from there. So I mean,
for me, it was honestly a lot of uncertainty. Man,
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I'm on my contract. Yeah, I'm like, man, I'm trying
to find somewhere to be stable.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And and then it's like, no, I'm not feeling a whole
lot of stability.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So I mean, really just going through all that, and
of course you start kind of hearing the talks of
if we're going to have the head coach a game
for the third year, kind of just all of those
things start to kind of creep into your mind and
then I think for me, honestly, it was just like man,
at the end of the day, my table is my resume.
I just got to continue to go out here and
who at the end of the day. So, I mean,
for me it was it was up and down. But
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at the end of their business is business, and I
know for me, I had to handle my best way
I could and things started turning around for us for
the good. So I mean, things worked out well, but
it definitely did start out really shaky and didn't really
know how the future was gonna look.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean that that's what it seemed like. I was.
It's always unfortunate because when you're in a contract year
you out there, you want to play good football and
be part of a good defense. And you know y'all
had some pieces, but you know, your d line needed
a little bit of help, and I think they found
some help. You know, you needed some help offense league
because they weren't necessarily doing what they needed to do,
but you still were abrashan and get your money. They
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franchised tagged you, I know, you know when that happened.
They happened to a couple of corners and everybody was uncertain.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was like you sneed.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I was like, damn it just really not paying the
corners this year.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, fact.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And then they got it figured out. So was there
any ever a time in there they called you and
we're like, hey, you know, we might trade you. I
talk to your agent or your agent was like, well,
you know, they're talking to teams and trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Honestly, not that I know of, at least not that
they told my agent. I know, even when I did
ask for a trade right at that trade deadline, I
know it was again kind of going back to what
we were talking about earlier, just kind of trying to
find a steady home.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Things weren't going good. So I'm like, man, at end
of the day, I'm trying to go find.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Somewhere to get paid one and then also to go
have a chance to win. But I feel like they
knew what they were doing, and they they declined the
first one, except that the second one and then gave
me an opportunity to go see something. But at the
end of the day, it was one situations where they
weren't going to no, but no other team was going
to give up all that just for for for a corner.
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That's something you can do for a cornerback first rounds
and all that. So, I mean they made it, they
made it tough, but it ended up working out. But
I think too, when they got to the off season,
there was definitely no trade involved. I thought he was
very open and transparent that I wasn't gonna be No,
I wasn't going nowhere. They weren't gonna trade me or
deal me anywhere, And if they had to use the
tag twice, then of course that was what would have
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been done. But there was Yeah, I didn't think I
was ever gonna go anywhere. After I'd say, they didn't
trade me at the deadline?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, I mean your homegrown talent, you know. Yeah, any
good organization you got to keep your homegrown talent, especially
the ones that develop into Pro Bowl All Pro players.
If you letting them go, then what's the what's.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
The Yeah, shut it all down.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Just shut it down. But y'all, you got some new
teammates this off season. Obviously, Caleb came in with all
the expectations and k ran you into that that gauntlet
of an interview and he gave you all that headache,
but you got Keenan, you got wrong, and then you
already had DJ tell me because Keenan. Now, for those
who will play corner and those who don't deal with
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the Keenans and the Davante's and the dusk ball ones
of the world, understand, he got some stuff back.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So something different, something completely different.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So how has it been? You know, I know you've
gone against him, but being teammates with him and getting
to see his work ethic day in and day out,
and just kind of teammate and player he is.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Honestly, it's crazy because you see his personality when just
like throughout the league. Of course you score touchdowns and
do his little dance, but he actually cool, like a
cool guy. Like, yeah, I know he's a little older.
I think he's like thirty two on pushing thirty three.
I think, so, I mean kind of just for him
to be that I'm not evenna say that old, but
in football years, for him to be a old head,
he's definitely still young.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He has a young, young soul.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
He can go out there and talk to the rookies,
or he can talk with the ogs and the bets.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
He's been around. You can talk to him about anything
every day.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He has a good, fun, loud personality, so I mean
definitely makes him be in locker room a lot easier
because it's not like he's.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Just on the old head that come in, put his
head down and leave.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Like now he's gonna crack some Joe's, talk to some guys,
play some card games, whatever whatever it is. He's definitely
an open guy. But as far as competing, I mean,
I love competing against him. I mean when, of course
we got all those guys for me, I'm like, hey,
they ain't gonna come in here and work like naw,
this ain't gonna be just the offensive show just for me,
especially like I always love Keenan games, so it's like
when we when he came, I'm like, oh no, hey,
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I need to Hey, I'm trying to lock him up
and so like. So I mean, for me, that was
always like my mentality. But it's one of those things
that we can definitely have that competition, but we can
also still talk and still be cool. But it's definitely
nothing but competition with a guy like that. I feel
like he's somebody who can come in here and really
make you better as a corner for me, that's not
somebody his style of games than somebody that you see often.
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So I think being able to get the difference in DJ,
the big catch guy, the after catch type of guy,
then you have Keenan, a more savvy route runner.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You kind of get you kind of get it all
with him and DJ and.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Then learning coming in bringing him young fresh legs into
the feel like it's definitely something that you definitely gonna
have to get better.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And for me, I've tooken the challenge on.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I mean, I was trying to go out there and
go as long as I can without giving him a
catching one on one. So I mean, I'm just trying
to find ways to push myself and to push.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Them as well.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, y'all got a really good secondary and and
y'all have had it for a couple of years. Brisker
is gonna be a good player. Young Kyler got a
chance to get to know him and watch him when
he was at U DUBH. He's gonna be a really
good player. Y'all got the d line kind of roaring.
Eric Washington's in the fold, and I know he's bringing
line to the Buffalo scheme to y'all the quarter stuff.
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How has that transition been for you as a corner,
because I know y'all ran a little bit of cover too.
I've seen you make quite a few plays. This guy's
cover two, jumping down, coming out the flag, going to
the seventh. Has it been much of an adjustment for
you just getting to learn the new playbook or have
they just kind of like kept the playbook and tightened
it up a little bit and maybe sprinkle a little
new stuff in.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, No, it's good exact. They're really just sprinkling the
new some new things in. I know even last year.
It's funny, the one the pick that you talk about,
we were really in poems. So you, I promise you,
because look look look look hear.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Me, hear me, hear me.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I seen him for Mason, So on my head, I'm like,
I know I'm to the field.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
He sees me off.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
He probably gonna try to bang this fire yard in,
but I already knew it was a fire yard and
they wanted seven behind it, So I'm like, okay, so
I'm kind of seeing it and I'm in my ham
and no, I'm gonna make a play. I don't like
just catching that little pass and tackling it. So I'm like,
if he throws this short round, I'm gonna drive it.
So sure enough he called it for me. Look I
took off boom. I seen him pumps. I'm like, damn,
I gotta get out of there and help get that.
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So I got I stuck my foot in the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Got out there. He threw it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm like, oh, I got it. I took it. With
everybody like seeing it, it was oh yeah, cover too great,
high law. I'm like, nah, I was being greedy and
I got yeah. No, I was trying.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was trying to make a play for so but
it definitely worked out. But really just for for this,
for this this year, and what we're doing is really
a lot of the same things we did last year.
Conda is trying to bring it all together, like you said,
with the Cover two, the Cover three that we were
heavy on at first and now and bringing in some
quarters and ponds, different things, trying to give different looks.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Things like that. I feel like it'll be really good
for us.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And then of course adding that pressure up front and
combining with the different coverages and looks on the back end,
I feel like, well, we can be really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean bringing in Montest Sweat was big. You know,
I don't think people give him credit for how good
he is and how consistent he's been the last I
mean four or five years, he's been really really owning,
really one of the best players. But what about Rome,
Rome was looking I can't I couldn't get a good
feel for him when he was at UW, even though
we watched a lot of their games. But you know,
playing corner receivers that big, you can't tell if they
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really got wiggle like that because you know, not everybody
pressed them, and some of the dudes pressed ain't really
like that. And that's a but what So, what do
you think of his game? Initially? Obviously he gonna have
room to grow. He may grow into something totally different
from what he is, but just as a rookie coming in.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Now, I think just overall, I feel like he has
a very a very solid game, a very smooth game
just going out. I think for me, the biggest thing
that he he'll learn.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And that he is learning, is being.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Able to be crafty in some of those routes, especially
going against more savvy vent that guys that kind of
can put some things together that can look at formations,
that can look at field position where you're at and
release it. You're kinda have to add a little flavor
to it, and I feel he'll learn that. He'll get that,
especially having Keen in the same room. He'll definitely give him,
give him some of those tools. But I thought he's
definitely an athletic guy, a good contested catch guy.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He can go up there and make some really good
contested catches. So I think overall, I feel like the
ceiling is very, very high for him. I feel like
he has everything physically, is just again adding that savviness
to IQ to some of his routes that I think
it will take him really to the next level.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
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having Keenan in there and even DJ for for for
a young kid is going to be I mean it's
gonna be an outstanding and I mean having all of
them for for KLYP is going to be. I mean,
who can ask? I said, no doubt, how's it doing hard?
Notots because I prayed we never got on that. I
was playing like it got the cameras in the building
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all the time. You can't really say what you want
to say. You can't just be yourself all the time.
Has that been kind of annoying or has it been
kind of like because some people use it to elevate
their brand and elevate their platform into you know, last
year everybody was talking about a Rod and what he
was doing throughout the year, and it may you know,
I think it changed some people's opinion about it, But
how has it been for you?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Honestly, I don't I don't really mind it.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Honestly, I felt like because a lot of guys like
you miked up and all j I can't talk to you.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I'm like, man, at the end of the day, this
is what like to me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I'm gonna be who I am, like everybody should be
be themselves. And of course there's a level of certain
things we can can't talk about, but I fly for
the most part, I feel like about ninety percent of
things is all is all good. I mean, at the
end of the day, I feel like it's all about
giving people the insight, like the inside scoop of what
it's like being in the NFL, what it's like being
in the training camp. Probably depending on what time of
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the year you got the hard knocks. But I probly
for the most part, I'm myself, like if I miked
up or I don't care, like they're gonna to see
see me for what it is, se the situation for
what it is in our quarters, the professional side of it.
You gotta protect certain conversations and certain things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But I mean, for me, it doesn't it doesn't bother me.
I know some people in that, but now Mike will
start kind of creeping up around over the top.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
People start kind of freezing up, not wanting to talk
and do things like that, and I'm like, hey, man,
they won't. They want the content, they want to see this.
I mean, we just got to get the people what
they want. It's no different than showing up on Sunday.
Don't nobody tighten up?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Now we got to go out here and se who
you are right now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You got the right idea. They put that mic on me.
I did not care. I let everybody know. Look, I
got the mic on me, but I'm about to go
out here and do what I always always do, no doubt.
Well you got you got paid. There's some some momentum
in y'all team, some some optimism obviously with the young
new young quarterbacks, some offensive weapons, defensive firepower. Obviously y'all
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were the number one scoring defense in the second half
of the season. Once Montes sweat out there like that
had to give you guys some confidence of hey, you
know what I mean, we can't put it together when
we need to and when everything's going away we have.
So what are your expectations for your team and your
defense coming into the season. Because I've been part of
some really good defenses and it just sometimes it's just
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holding each other to the standard every day and not
really getting caught up on like hey man, you know
we're chasing these dudes, so we're trying to be better
than them, or we're trying to it's just really stacking
your days and really one day at a time, hold
each other accountable with respect. Like you can't really go
out there and be like, man, you suck man, what
are you doing out there?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Because that yeah, you can't like that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think really for me, the biggest thing is improving
on our finish. I mean, I find for us we
had a few games I know I can speak to
Detroit and Cleveland we were up winning and then lost
the game in the fourth quarter, lost the game coming
down to those last couple of minutes to Whereas like
for us, that puts us in a in a different position.
I fight, just the bigger thing for defense finishing two
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minute drills, finishing just that fourth quarter. I think for
us it really just starts with the preparation. I feel
like we can't it really top to bottom. I fight,
we can't let up off the gas. When you know
you start getting in that two minute mode, you kind
of just start playing back like naw, we gotta still
continue to be aggressive and really well we well, I
like to say it slip people's throats, like now we
can't just come out here and okay, yeah and then
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just think we're gonna stop right now.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They still trying to win the game, like we gotta
start that right now.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
And I feel like for me and what I like
to do is I'm always getting extra work out the practice.
So for me, that's part of like my finishing where
it's like, Okay, I finished practice. I gotta finish my work,
so I know when it is in the fourth quarter,
I still have that dog mentality of like, nah, I'm
locking this fool up, no matter if it's two minutes,
four minute, whatever it may be, if they down ten,
if they down three. Like now, at end of the day,
I'm still in that mode to finish, and I fight
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for me. I'm trying to push guys, get guys to
understand like, nah, we we have a great team, but hey,
it's still gonna be a situation when we gotta finish
guys off. It's not just gonna be handed tools. We
got to go out there and take it against a
man's will. So I fight for us. That's really but
I feel like we can improve on and if we
can do that, I know we'll we'll win a lot
more games for sure. Who you bringing with you as
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far as well.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I heard you say I'm getting some work out of
the practice, but you're by yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm not by myself. I
put like that.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I tell him, Hey, I got plenty of work for God,
if you want to take it. He I don't got
no hit him. He's no taxes, no, none of that.
If you want to come out here and get some work,
I'm here. It's offer to everybody. So I mean, right
now I got I got two rookies and then I
got another guy who just came from the CFL. They're
the most consistent ones right now. I know Takwan, he's
working out with me every day. Before he kind of
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got into some injury things, so I know when he
gets back he'll be back with me. But right now,
now everybody knows, like, hey, Jalen is here after practice
getting work.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's up to them.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
So I mean, I can only bring those around who
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What this will be my two cents again, Your man
Dood who used to be something in our group, we
everybody gotta go. Everybody is back there or nobody's back
there because because in the fourth quarter, like you said,
everything you say it is facts and big facts. That's
winning football. When if you got to be ready fourth
quarter game on line, everybody's hired. But if only Jalen
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Johnson's ready and everybody else ain't ready, we still loose.
And so what we found out is no matter how
strong one of us is, if all of us ain't
that strong, we still loose. And so we if we're
gonna do extra work, we gonna do it like it
ain't really an option. That's the standard. You guys to
do that because you challenge them with their own ambition,
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or do you want to win? Is championship what we
want to do? Or we just want to be in
the NFL like we want to be the best defensive
football or we just want to be some guys out
there that play in the NFL like and a lot
of the guys got that kind of pride and say, man,
I don't want to be the best, then make your
actions match words, brother like, because I ain't gonna cut
you out. I can't make you do nothing, and I'm
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not trying to run you into the ground because I
know we're in trading camp. But if we talking technique
as a corner, you can always get better. I don't
give dang how good you are at your press. You
can always get two more reps, three more reps, get
your eyeplacement, get the receiver. Give me three releases real quick,
like you can always get better. And those few reps
when you tired, when your legs, when you everything's sweating,
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like those are when you need it. Lock in real quick.
Give me too of your best go out there, get keenan, hey,
keen it, come on. I know it's gonna be tough.
Give me, just give me two, three of them, and
I guarantee you won't say no, because that's not how
like winners, that's not how you got here by saying
no to work and so to be that kind of leader.
Leaders lead by bringing everybody along. It's not usually you
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don't even lead from the front. You lead from the back.
If you got to run laps and the time of
the last person is the one that hey man, everybody
got to come in by three thirty, and that last
person's been coming in at three thirty three, then you
go behind, and you make sure you're coming in at
three thirty because you can come in first, ain't have
to run another one because he came in last.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Feel what I'm saying, No, no, that I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's all love. It's all love. I can't I can't
wait to hear why you wanted to play corner?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Geez? Why did I want to play? Honestly, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I didn't even start off really playing corner like I know,
of course, I alway said, nah, probably corner. I started off,
of course, with all league running back. I thought I
was Reggie Bush, play linebacker like I wanted to be
an action like my dad. Like my dad grew my
older brother to play corner from Dye beauty Boy, like
eight years old. My brother played corner all the way
ver until he couldn't play football no more. So even
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for me, I'm like, nah, I want to be an action.
I want to be an action. And then as I
got older, people started getting a little bigger.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm like, nah, I ain't nobody playing a running back
no more. HiT's a little different.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
So I kind of slowly started working my way outside
play a little receiver. And I still that's why I
started playing corner safety kind of learning boat.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Then I got to high school play corner.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
My freshman ye or sophomore year, I played corner, but
I sat behind two D one guys, so I was
behind them.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Play more receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I really didn't get a lot of like touches
that until really my junior year of high school.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I played. My junior year was solid decent.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And then really I started working with my brother, work
with my dad really getting heavy because I was two
sport athletes too.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I played football, basketball, So I.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Never really honed in like on my craft truly, but
really my junior was my junior year hit That's what
I really started honing in on it. And I was
like I always listened to the conversation my dad and
my brother had and I knew a lot, Like I
was really like smart. I was able to retain the information,
but I never had the opportunity to apply it. So
when I started really playing it, I started really applying in.
And I know, we was at the seven on seven
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practice one time, and my dad and my brother like
they're big on work, so like if they don't see
you from the work, they're like, nah, it ain't like
it ain't it. So I was doing my little thing
on the side. And so we was at seven on
seven prior. They was trying to give every look, every route,
and I was just defending locking it up, locking it up,
locking it up. And at first it was like all
this luck is luck. They kept trying challenging me. I
kept doing it boom, and it was okay, you might
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be somebody. So we went to seven or seven tournament,
ended up locking up some four or five star guys.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
My brother was with me talking trash to him. So
really from there it was just.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
One of those things that's like, nah, I can really
be somebody in this and it's not just be something
that was forced throw me that I was born into.
But it's like, nah, I really took that and took
the extreme prize. So I mean, really, ever since my
junior year, I've been fully committed to.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Being out on the island lock as people up.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So what did your brother ever get into the leg
or he just played college or how far did to go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Nah, he played at UCLA, He played at UCLA, finishes
last year at Present State.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Really it was crazy, I till we bought time. He
was he was. He was better than me, like.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Physically, feed footwork, dog pressed off like he had it all.
He was four star, went to UCLA, but he had
we all kind of had the same thing. We had
them shoulder issues. So he went to shoulders first year
for shoulder his second year. So it's like by the
time you get healthier third year, they already brought two
classes of moore and five star guys around, so it's
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like he was still in the mix, still getting in there, rotating,
kind of got into it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
A little bit with the coach on some things.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Played a few games and it's like, okay, going on
all fourth year, I only played in six seven games.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
They still bringing in four and five star dudes. So
it's like after a.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
While he kind of just was like, hey, I already
know kind of how this is shaping out, Like they're
not about to keep messing with me all Like they
got all they guys they bringing in.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So he just ended up getting a degree.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Finishing his last year at Pheland State went there, kind
of got into the same cultural situation where it's like
you coming from where you're coming from, trying to play
a certain style of ball.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
They got their coach already.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Then it's like you to turn to when was the
last time you had some recent tape, because I mean
the tape he did have a damn good tape, but
it's like that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Was two years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So it's like he didn't really have a chance in
him being five to nine.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I mean, that's not that's not idea and in today's game.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So yeah, nah, So he didn't end up getting a
shot and he wasn't like a CF trying to force
it and do nothing like that. So that's really after
that that that's really when he turned into my trainer.
Of course, he was still active in playing, so I
moved him out to Utah with me, got an internship
at Utah, and that ship we've been training. He's been
a trainer, He trained dbs, He trains kids from four
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or five years old to whoever else. So yeah, uh,
well we're from Cali, but he lives with me in
the off season in season, so I mean he's he's
always with me and has his clientele like in Chicago.
Yeah yeah, so he got his clients out in Chicago.
Coach a little seven on or tackle football team.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So he's what's his training thing? God, we can give
him a shot out real quick.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh it's called elite athletic transformation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Hey. Hey, if you're in Chicago and you need some
corner work, elite athletic transformations where you need.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
To be at no doubt.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I love it. I love it, man, I love it.
That's gonna be. That's pretty cool though, because I got
a good relation. How many years different?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Fo? He's four years older?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, mine is three? And boy, yeah he right there.
Because they just paid the world for you, and then
you come in behind me, you like I do better
than what they did, and I'm good.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's it. You better stay healthy. I'll be good.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'll be good. I got the you appreciate your brother
from putting the blueprint out there.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I take it from here, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So are there any games you got circle, because I
know you ain't scared to say what your feet to
say on your schedule this year? Y'all got some good matchups,
but anything in particular.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I got a few.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I mean, I'm not I don't know exactly when we
play them all, but I'm looking forward to going against
Calvin Ridley again. I haven't won again went up against
him since my rookie year, so him of course, d
hop hopefully he gets back healthy. So looking forward to
going against that tandem and then show I know that
next week we got some boys down in Houston, Diggs, Tank,
Nico Collins, I'm looking forward to that. Who else we got?
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Who else we got? Of course Justin? I missed Justin
for the last I think two years now. I was
either heard he was hurt, So looking forward to going
against him. Who else we got?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Who else? That's different. I really just say those because
ain't nobody jumped out at me.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean, of course Alm and Rad is always
in the division and things like that, But I probably
for the most part, I'm looking forward to to those.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Oh, Sam France, that's.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The game I'm looking forward to, not necessarily the matchup individually.
Hopefully Brandon Ayuka is there, not then they I'm missing
out on that one. But really other than that DK
that you got to have on I haven't.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I haven't seen him in my career, So looking forward
to those ones. For sure.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You got him at the end of the season too,
we'll be we got that game.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh think were in Chicago? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Thursday night, baby,
We'll be there. Oh yeah, I would say, I'm gonna
sell you out there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'll be there. Uh that's cool. So who is who
is your best? Who the best quarters in the National
Football League right now outside of you?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And we're just saying, are we asking my style or
are we talking just like overall everyone your world. I'm
gonna get I'm gonna get my style. I like because
I feel like it's hard to I don't know. Everybody
judges it different.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Everybody can judge it by interceptions or whatever. But for me,
I'm gonna if I had to put.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
These four guys on an island, I would probably say
I'll go with Pat no in no order, I probably
go Pat Denzel.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Stars. Oh and I can't give myself for who else?
Would I go?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, look, we just gonna assume you on the list.
But we need five.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Right right right right right Ireland, Ireland, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'm gonna go ahead and help and put some names
out there. You gotta give some names playing at a
real high level. Uh, who am I messing right now?
Because he was just Steve Sneak killed in the playoffs
last year. McDuffie killed in the playoffs last year. Here
our various players at a high level. When he was going,
he had a nice over run of four or five
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games where he had a book in each of those games. Uh,
you know out in Seattle to reak. You know, they
got the young young nickel that that's played at the
high level. You got the big the whole big dog
gay years, you got the slaves, you got, you got
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out out in Miami, Marsa. It's whatever you whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Oh that's uh mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That's tough because because Pat Patt is gonna be in
that conversation all the time. Obviously, you played at high level,
you get to be in that conversation all the time.
Year when he's healthy, he's as good as they get.
Marshawn just kind of been overshadowed because they haven't been
very good as a team. H Denzel never really gets
that much credit.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah no, I'll love I love Yeah No.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I took some time to watch to watch those three
so that thought. It was really hard for me because
I just took I know, my off season. I was
watching Path, I was watching Sauce, especially like Sauce.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You hear a lot like you hear some people. Oh
he's old rady. You hear some people say it's really good.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I'm like, not damn that, I need to go watch
my felt I'm like, nah, young boy guy, he got
some things to him for sure. And and to me,
it's like people are saying, oh he holds if he
don't get called for it, he's not holding like then.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Like damn, oh he does this, but he doesn't get caught.
That's part. That's part of it. Pushed off all yeah,
like hey, they pushed off. Nobody said, oh well he
pushed off, Like nah, nobody, nobody cares. So I think
for me, he usually what he got.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I felt like it's really hard to give them or
it's really hard to give them for I fight.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
The playing styles changed after that.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I feel like I love I love watching Snead and McDuffie.
I think it's hard. I feel like it's really hard
to tell when they them boys get a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They get a lot Yeah yeah, but I said they
get out of pressure. But I definitely love love their games.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
If I had to give you one, but I will
say this, in fact, sisten them boys in man.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
All day, all the time. They pressed pressed up.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, no they not.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
They not ducking no smoke for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
What he did to wreaking that playoff game, people was like,
oh man, that's crazy. I said, no, he practiced against
him all the time. He has no fear. Used to
I ain't got no fear. What what other corners that
you when you came in or when you were at
Utah that you were looking at You were like, man,
I'm a model of my game after that, because you
when you were coming up it was it was probably
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lead in there. Uh. Jalen was pretty much in his prime.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Marshawan was young, but he was eating his first few
years in the league.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Slave was killing got modeled. Yeah, I was about to
say I watched. I would say between Jalen Slade, Marshawan, Ja.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Stepan Stepan right, I think you want there?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes? No, no, no, for sure Gilmore for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Oh, I would probably say yeah. I honestly said those fires.
I would say those five for sure coming in and
out of college. Because again, I feel like you watch
to me like I love Jaalen Ramsey's game as far.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
As like how he goes like I just love like
his dog mentime.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I feel like it's something like I cann't watch him
necessarily and like, oh, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Go do that, Like nah, he just does. He just
has some things that God gave him that he.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Got everybody else.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, he skipped everybody else. So now, but it's
like looking at him, he gives you like when you
watch him, it's like, nah, I gotta really be a dog.
So I feel like I've always loved like his mentality.
Of course, his ball skills going up and making those
spectacular players, and just really his energy and energy.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I feel he's very, very contagious.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I feel like more so watching Gilmore, he's like Q
Technie was always something that definitely stood out stood out
to me, and that's something that I that I like as.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Far as guy's being able to you shadow you take him.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like I'm not I'm not impressed by like the interception,
I'm impressed by it, but you can put him on
him and that guy's eliminated out the game. That's what
That's what moves me more so than anything. So I
love that about him. Even Marshaan, I know he was
doing that at an early age. I think you want
he was a Player of the Year for this rookie
year hunh. Yeah, yeah, he came in doing this thing,
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who has always been a dog. I remember watching him
early and just watching his tape and all the trash
he was talking, making plays antics, and I'm like, nah,
he kinda he's.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Small, little man, gonna go out there and do it,
get it, He's gonna fight. So I definitely love always.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Watching DB's Man, I gave a lot of respect to
guys that played this position at a high level, that
go out there and and compete, because I mean, for me,
it's like you'll see you turn on the tape and
you'll watch certain guys he's.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Like, man, ain't no pride in that, Like that ain't
no what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's certain people I couldn't even watch on tape. Like
if I'm I'm trying to judge a receiver, I'm about
to pay somebody if they played certain teams, I wouldn't
even want to they tape because I'm like, that's not
even gonna help me. That's not what.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I can't get a good I can't get a good assessment.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I can't get a good assessment watching this dude. Look
he gave you two fifty, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What do you want to definitely definitely, uh who.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment, like who
blessed you? Because because my second year it was this
receiver Stevie Johnson and nobody really know about it or
nasty that boy in a phone booth you ain't touching
it four seven four six, but in a phone booth
your hands?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, wiggle? Are I blessed me? That? I really in
the path I FL? I really held my own.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Of course I ran over one tonight right right right
right the year, but I probably as far as the past,
I probably one dude who always gave me problems. I know,
like me and Davante was like compet. I wouldn't say
he blessed me. I would I win myn he win
win his, But I would probably say I struggled with
Mike Evans my first my first year.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, no, I know I struggled with him for sure.
Everybody else. I feel like it was.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Kind of like was silent, Like I wouldn't say that,
like I had trouble, but Mike like he was someingm
God like he doesn't do nothing special, it's not nothing
that you don't know that he's gonna do, but it's
like God damn.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Then he got Tom Brady, especially when when I've seen
him he.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Had Tom Brady throwing. So I'm like, hey, I can
I'm right here. He's big, running down the field, all strong,
make it test and catches.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm like, he ain't no different, he ain't no joke.
Look in his hands. He way bigger and stronger than
you ever.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Think he is, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He was one of the ones to be me and
meet him and me and be Marshall. I had a
couple of battles, so I was like God.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
With dinosaurs back, I would say, long lever cats. They
ain't got no wiggle.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They just all strong, all strong, hit you, grab you
right here.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
A couple I made sure I back my linement up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Smart man, you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Can't get it up there, and then they want that.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Smart man was. I ain't gonna take up too much
more of your time. If you got any questions from me,
anything you want to ask, I'm happy to answer. Other
than that, I'll let you. Let you get back to
your old lady, your fiance and your family.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You you well, I don't I know my answer, but
you first, you first ballot.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You think I hope. So you know, I don't want
to jink. You don't want to jinxy, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
There ain't no we gotta put it out there.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Look, you put it out there and it don't happen.
It's out there for yeah. Yeah, Look the rest of
it I had could roll over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Like when I want to call them all that stuff,
but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I hope. So I think I did enough. You know,
I went to three Super Bowls, got enough all pros
and all that, you know, played on enough great defenses,
went somewhere else and we had a great defense and
went to another Bowl. So you know, I think during
my time, I think I would say I was the
best one that playing. But you know, everybody got their opinion.
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So I hope hopefully the voters think that. And you know,
get me in. That would mean a lot to me,
you know, to get that jacket, and and you know
all your hard work, everything you dreamed about as a
little kid comes true. You know, that's the that's the
cool part. But that's what I'm saying about your teammates,
Like if you really want to shine, you bring them
boys along with you. And you and and they get it,
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you know what I mean, Like real competitors, real champions,
real dudes who really want what they say they want.
They don't really question it, you know what I mean.
If you if you got to pull teeth to get
a dude to do some extra work or to say hey,
this is our standard as a dB group and our
dB room and they want to argue it, then they
not really what they say they are, and they probably
gonna get replaced by somebody else. The coaches will see it.
The table show all that, but most dudes ain't built
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like they didn't make it to the league by being
like that. So you might have an off day where
I'm tired or my hamstring herd and the sword, that's different.
But if you say, hey, in this dB room, this
is our standard. This is what we're doing with working
every day after practice. I don't care if it's just
catching a few balls on the jugs or getting a
few releases. Like we go out there, we do not
do the minimum, and dudes be like, no, man, I'm
(39:30):
going home. You you ain't gonna be what you say
you want to be. You ain't never gonna get there.
So I would say, I would say that was the
biggest thing about the Legion of Boom and our group,
that that that helped elevate us and elevate the guys
around us and elevate all of us. Is that that
was the standard, and it was the standard, and nobody
ever questioned it, nobody saying nothing. You know what I mean, like, hey,
go get your extra work and let's go home. We're
(39:51):
gonna do a lap around the field. We're gonna do this.
Get your get your teen press coverage reps, or your
your your safety reps, your eye reps, your quarterback throwing
your all whatever, and let's get on out of here.
But the standard is the standard. Nobody's gonna argue with.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
My last one for you, and I know how smart
and intelligent you were, of course.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Off the field, but I know on the field it
was different.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I feel like I ain't seen too many guys in
the National Football League run somebody's round before they ran it.
So I think for me, just always seeing them, he
knows something. I feel like, how did how did you
get to that point? Like how did you Because like
for me, like I can watch film, I get to
a point where like good. I'm good like right recognition,
so I can kind of see, okay, three point one
onto the field based on certain splits.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I can expect certain things.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But how I guess for my question to you is
how did you get to that point to where it
was at the level of which it was as far
as your IQ, you seeing certain things, you calling things
out before it even happens.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Was that kind of studying? Was that? Do you think
you just kind of have a certain type of memory
or something like? How it was at that level it was?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It was a little bit of everything. I played receiver
for a long time in college, and so I learned
West Coast offense under Bill Walsh and under Hofball and
all of them. So I understand what the offense trying
to do from their their their route combinations, like their philosophy,
and a lot of the combinations like a flat two
(41:21):
to the flat means one coming in or one on
the curral and one on the slant, depending on if
it's quick game or not. Two running the over route
means one coming in. It's either dig or post, you
know what I mean. So certain combinations are married with
other things, and so I practiced that way. I practice
(41:41):
situational football. That's all I do when I'm watching tape,
when I'm watching our own offense, if I'm in training camp,
I'm breaking down, Hey, are max protect deep developing routes?
What are our offense like?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay, they got they got a tidy end end and
a great digger and a running back staying in max protect,
all right, so they running deep developing routes. What's their
favorite routes? Okay, they like double dig post are they
like come back with a middle read or whatever it is.
And once you learn those things, then let the split
speak to you. Let the situation. Hey, it's third and five.
(42:12):
What are they like on third and five?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Again?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Like, okay, in the bunch, they like spot where it's
the six to seven the flat and it's like, oh,
they always do it out of emotion. So as I
see that emotion, all right, Now, what I want to know, Hey,
alert this, Alert this. If I see two, If I
see three, go to the flat, I know I didn't increase,
And now I just want to know which one I'm
(42:35):
trying to bait him into throwing. Hey, you see the
safety down, So he understands his three. He thinks he
has the flat. So if I take away the flat,
I know he takes the seven. So can I hold
the flat long enough to go get the seven? Like
you did in that poem's rep and you did what
something I would do, but you did it subconsciously. You
just did a reactionary, which was really cool. But so
(42:56):
a lot of it is just understanding the concepts and
our routes are married, like certain routes go with other
routes always, and so they can't really run the concept
without running the second part of it. So now I
got to just know where my eyes are supposed to be. Hey,
my zone two on this play my zone one, because
I don't have any indicator over there with two on
backside of a three by one, and it's third and
(43:17):
five and I'm with Davonte, and you know it's it's
up from there, you know what I mean? We can
get anyway from there. But a lot of times it
was just me understanding their concepts, understanding the situation we
were in, and not letting the fatigue and the craziness
of a game get me out of my game plan.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
No doubt, no doubt. Well, I thought, that's my that's
my biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I feel like it is understanding it from an offensive
perspective because I feel like, for me, I I can
see it. I'm like, I'm really good at, like you said,
flits for mation situations. Okay, when they want to do
certain things, especially like when I see too, like a
coverage that I can see two two will tell me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
All I need to know about one like I don't.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
And a lot of times like I'll tell like she
was asking, how you know all that I said, I
see number two like too told me what you was
what you was gonna do. So ops is my favorite
unless you just did something completely off script and hey
I got a rally to that, but right, yeah, he
in fact, I just got to chalk that up and
play a little true. But for the most part, I
think for me, it's okay, how does the offense see
(44:23):
what we're doing and see what I'm doing. I'm like,
that's the biggest thing that I want to get to
tow us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Like when I do know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I can still see how he's seeing, how the quarterback
seeing how the o c seeing it. I think that's
something I want to take to that next level kind
of start thinking and I I don't know who they hell,
I need to talk to I need You.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Can talk to some of them quarterbacks, you can talk
to your old ce. Like a lot of the football
minds ain't trying to keep secrets, especially if guys on
their team. They might you know, it's training camp, so
they might, Oh, we ain't helping you, got it. But
during the season they want you to succeed. So you're like, hey, hey,
could I could I watch a little takee with you?
I just want to understand offense a little better so
I can play better When we playing Cover two, they
got an answer for it when they playing Cover three.
(45:04):
When they're doing that, all of that and they and
you need to know what they think it and why
is they answer? So where the ball should be coming
so we be in the game. And that's why people
always say, y'all ran in Cover three and like, oh,
it was so simple. It was so simple because we
knew what they were gonna do, and so we knew
where the answers were all the time.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Hyah, ever got a weakness.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They got a weakness. Communicate with the rest of your
dudes too, because that helps you, Like when they know
what you know and everybody knows the same thing.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Together.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
We can be together and you can dictate where the
ball goes. You can say, hey, hey, we got cover two.
It's gonna be it's a three by one, but it's
enough side. They running a seven on the back side
and they running special. All goes special coming from the
three by one side. Hey, we ain't cover three. I'm
not gonna I'm I'm gonna pass this tight end because
I don't want my linebacker running with fee at three three.
(45:53):
I need my buzzer to drop a little deeper, Hey,
buzz deeper so he can come off that seven. We're
gonna make him throw the flat route to the running
back to the tight end side. But we ain't gonna
let him get that special with him running. Oh yeah,
and so stuff like that. We would. We were just
talking through Hey, Hey, hey Bobby, Bobby, Hey, I got him,
Hey kJ hey drop Hey, I need you deeper. We
(46:14):
don't rally. We're gonna rally to the to the flat
and we do boo rally to.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
The flatt take it down.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And we got he got. He got a choice or
he could throw me the ball.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You know, he don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
They don't want to do that. But you know, at
times they got they got. But but that's where leadership
and camaraderie and chemistry comes together because you start to
to help other guys do their job. Well you know
what I mean, Like, don't keep secrets out there. It
ain't no point.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I won't try to know what I know, no doubt,
no doubt. I appreciate it for show.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
All love, all love. All right, Better get in there
and go.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Take care of that old lady, no doubt, no doubt.
I appreciate you, but God must respect.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Much respect and love. I'll see you at the end
of the season when we got your game, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I beaver fart
Speaker 2 (47:20):
The volume
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