August 15, 2024 • 33 mins
Colin explains why CeeDee Lamb's drawn-out contract negotiation could end up being really bad news for QB Dak Prescott. He praises the Falcons for acquiring pass rusher Matthew Judon from the Patriots and why other teams should be taking notes. Plus, 3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins the show to preview what Texas and Oklahoma can expect from their first season in the SEC
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Thursday Urban Meyer, Alexi
Lawless gonna work people into a lather going to Boston
Live today, Patriots mess. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. J McCatty comments on the
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hair today. So I love you. Guess you went out
last night. You got a lot of What's he talking about?
Your hairstyle looks great. It's such a few weeks before
I put on my annual fall hairpiece. So my strongest
opinions come from three places, data sources. In my eyes,
I don't care about awards. I never have. Those are
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totally subjective. That I mean. I watched mbid get the
MVP over Yokic laughable Westbrook got an MVP. By the way,
I hear often with Dak, well, he was a blankety
blank MVP, very close data sources, eyes and my eyes
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have always told me, and my data has always told
me with Dak, if you don't give him a surplus
of weapons, he's mediocre. I don't care where he finishes
in awards. Eyes doesn't blow me away. Data without stars,
bad and sources. We've had people on this showing off
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the show. He doesn't throw a great bull. So the
fact that Jerry Jones is taking his dear sweet time
with a Ceedee Lamb contract is crazy to me. This
will be a bottom five offense in the NFL without
Ceedee Lamb. They'll still generate a pass rush without Micah
though I would re sign him, and they can win
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games with Cooper Rush if you give them weapons. So
Ceedee Lamb is uniquely important that they don't really have
a clear number two receiver you can trust. Running back
room is thin and that's being nice. So and Jerry Jones,
you know, sort of slow play the Ceedee Lamb comments
this week ago everybody went WHOA. Jerry has clarified as
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comments on the contract forthcoming with Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where conscientiously working to get something done. We obviously do
this because of how bad we want to be together.
I know he wants to be a Dallas cowboy, and
we want him to be a Dallas cowboy. So I
don't flare too much when we say something that might
be taken the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I really don't. Okay, So let's go to the data argument.
We have data on DAK without a number one receiver.
It was twenty eighteen, six years ago. The old line
was better than now, and Zeke was in his prime.
Before they went and acquired Amari Cooper, DAK was a backup.
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Sixty two percent completion percentage, eighty seven passer rating Atd's
four picks is a backup. My eyes have always told
me he's not super talented. The data tells you he doesn't.
He's not Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen winning four straight
division titles with a hit and miss run game, sometimes
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no run game, and outside of left tackle makeshift off
revolving to our old line. That's Josh Allen. Mahomes winning
Super Bowls with arguably the second worst receiving corps last
two years in the league. That's Mahomes. DAK needs protect
a run game and weapons. Remember those numbers I'm showing
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you on the screen. How bad was thatk was pri Amari.
That's what Tyron Smith and Zach Martin closer to their prime.
Martin at that time was arguably best guard in the league.
Tyron Smith first or second best left tackle, they're not now.
And that was Zeke in his prime or really close
to his prime. So this is not Josh Allen where
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you can kind of just ham An eggitt with the
run game and win a division. This is not Mahomes
the receiving core. There is no number one, and Rashi
Rice you can't trust him sometimes to be a two.
So there's no proof at all with my eyes or
data or my sources that Dak can carry below average
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offensive skill players. And if you go to the Cowboys' schedule,
especially early in the season, that's why they got to
get this puppy wrapped up. The Cowboys first eight weeks,
five road games, and many the best defensive rosters in
the league Cleveland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, the Giant, San Francisco, and
Atlanta now has added an egg rusher. So it's like
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you can't mess around with this Ceedee Lamb thing. You
got to get this puppy. You gotta get it finished again.
I like Micah a lot, but they have DeMarcus Lawrence
and I like dak Ay. One games with Cooper Rush,
Ceedee Lamb season over. No, Ceedee Lamb season over. And
then think about this, You start slowly. The Cowboys need
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a quick start for Mike McCarthy's job, so a lot
of teams can get off to a slow start. The
Chicago Bears with Matt Eberflus, they got to win in September.
Jim Harbaugh doesn't, Andy Reid doesn't, Sean McVay doesn't, Kyle
Shanahan doesn't, Mike McCarthy, Nick Sirianni, Matt Eberflus. They gotta
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win in September, in early October. Those first six weeks,
you could have splintered locker rooms. If things don't go right.
You got to get CD Lamb in today as soon
as possible. All right, So remember on draft day, y'all
freaked out when the Falcons desperately needed and they did
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need an edge rusher, but it wasn't a very good
defensive draft, and instead they took a quarterback, and they
had Kirk Cousins and they drafted Michael Pennix and the
world lost there. You know what, Well, yesterday the Falcons
traded for third round pick for Matthew Judon, good not superstar,
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but good edge rusher for the Patriots. So the Falcons
got lit because they took a franchise quarterback. He'll sit
for a year, maybe franchise quarterback over addressing an edge rusher.
It was the right move. I said it then and
I'll say it now. You can find edg rushers. The
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Rams found Von Miller then let him go, got a trophy.
The Eagles went and got Bryce Huff's Huff from the Jets.
Lost Hassan Reddick found Bryce Huff from the Jets. You
can find edge rushers free agency, you can find them
late in the draft. You can find them at the
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trade deadline. You know what you can't find at the
trade deadline, Michael Pennix. You can't find Michael Pennix at
the trade deadline. No CJ. Stroud. Nobody's giving up a
face of a franchise quarterback early in his career, inexpensive
and probably the future of the franchise that you can't
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find even first round quarterbacks are a fifty to fifty hit.
It's the hardest position in the league to get right.
Edge rushers are available. I mean, go back to this
past March a prime example. So this past March it
was agency and edge rushers are just a cost issue.
They're always available. Are you willing to pay for them? Quarterbacks?
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Young star quarterbacks, that's a scarcity issue. There's like one
delivered a year. Five are drafted in the first round.
One becomes a star. That's a scarcity issue. Edge rushers,
it's a cost issue. So I just look it up
this morning. In March, these free agents were all available.
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Edge rushers, Josh Allen, Chase Young, Brian Burns, Danille Hunter,
Jonathan Grenard, they were all in the market. Matthew Judan wasn't.
But now the Falcons just traded for him. By the
trade deadline. Somebody's going to be moving off an expensive
edge rusher Khalil Mack by the way, maybe Bosa. Are
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the Chargers going to keep both of those edge rushers.
What if they need a pop at wide receiver, they
can move one. They're getting a bit of a rush,
a surplus of pass runs, an inefficiency or a lack
of production at wide receiver. You may have Khalil Mack available.
So there is an order of operation in the NFL.
Number one, get your franchise quarterback. Number two. Everything else
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that is the order of operation, get the quarterback. So
the fact that Atlanta has an old one and a
young one, okay, I mean JJ McCarthy's already out for
the year. We already have a quarterback. We haven't really
moved into the beef of the exhibition schedule yet, Minnesota's
already down one surplus of quarterbacks. There is a order
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to how this whole thing works. So everybody losing their
stuff on the Kirk Cousins Michael Pennox situation was nonsense.
I mean, Kirk's old. He's coming off of, like, you know,
major surgery. He didn't move great before it. How do
we know it's going to move now? So way to
go Falcons, Way to pick him up. I always love
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you know. The United States men's national team has a
new soccer manager, Alexi Lawless. The voice of reason will
stop by the whole thing. I gotta I want to
address it next because I don't think soccer, I think
it deserves more love. I think it's the beautiful game,
it's a great game, and I think we have the
most skill we've ever had. But yesterday the United States
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men's national team went and they got they got a player,
They went and got a big time coach. Doesn't have trophies,
but Tottenham Chelsea. You know he's managed egos, pressurized, high
leverage situations. But I want to I want to warn
the new manager what he's in for as the lead
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dog of men's team USA. There's land minds everywhere, and
I will warn him. Happy for him, Gonna warn him.
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App entering the No Bull Zone, brought to you by
credible great Rates and none of the Bowl. So the
United States men's national team has hired their next manager.
Their next coach, Mauricio poach Atino. He is Tottenham, took
them to the Champions League Final. He's coached high leverage teams.
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He's very good developing young players. He's responsible. Gets credit
at least some for Harry Kane's development into a star overseas.
So this is you know, this guy's been in the spotlight,
high leverage situations. Welcome to Team USA. About sixty percent
of the resources and ninety five to more percent of
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the xpectations. Here's your team Usay, puffy jacket, good luck.
Let me give you a heads up on what's going
to happen, what's in store for you, Mauricio, because I
wish you the very best. This is the one team
that I root for of all the sports teams, this
is the one in the country I root for, and
I don't care if I'm a journalist or trying to
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be you know, reasonable. You will be blamed for all losses.
It's never the players. The players are never responsible. It's
always the manager. Greg Burholter won almost seventy percent of
his matches. There's a lot of politics in our soccer,
very very territorial land mines everywhere. You'll need to develop
a toughness and a culture both. We have more skill
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than we've ever had, many of our players or flourishing overseas,
but we have no grit. So there you go, and
did I mention you'll be blamed for all the losses
and usually draws as well, you have to then cobble
this all together fairly quick quickly, build culture, grit, chemistry.
We are hosting the next World Cup, and I won't
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say it's delusional, but our expectations my entire life are
about twelve spots in the world rankings higher than what's true.
We've been the fifteenth best team or the eighteenth best team.
And our guys over here are lads, they're young. They'll
be your primary opponent, will be young soccer fans online.
You'll learn very quickly they know much more than you.
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They go by names like Beckett and Ethan and your
dumb they're brilliant, although they couldn't make the college soccer team.
Innermurals if you will, so you'll find that very quickly.
You'll take all the blame. Players aren't held accountable. When
Greg Berhalter tried that with one, he was basically on
the wrong side of employment. That's just not the way
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it works. So you'll have your most leverage now before
the World Cup, because eventually you will not win the
World Cup and you'll be blamed for not winning the
World Cup. So you've got average now. You're not going
to get ridy in three months be hard on the players,
create a culture. I'm not sure what it is beyond
you know, it's sort of like I say all the time,
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Ohio State football is talented. What are they? That's why
Michigan keeps beating them? We've got talent more than we've
ever had. What are we? Are we tough?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
We don't have Clint Dempsey anymore? You know what I mean?
Like that, We're just talented. So you've got a ton
of leverage early, use every ounce of it. Hold players accountable,
Blame them for insufficiencies. Yes, blame the players. If they're
getting paid all the money in all these pro leagues,
then they get hits too. Because we blame NFL players,
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We blame NBA players, we blame hockey players. We never
blame soccer players. It's always the coach. It's not the
way it works in other sports in America, we blame
college players in football, basketball, WNBA players get blamed, NBA
players get blamed, Soccer players fire the manager. So good luck,
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it's not a demo, it's a renovation. Here's the good news.
It's not a demo. You've got skill. The foundation is
actually pretty damn strong. Got a nice kitchen plumbing needs
some work. Lighting has to be completely replaced. New roof
is probably in order, but it's not a demo. It's
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a nice street kitchen's pretty nice master bathroom they just
previously redid it. Good luck to you, though, and you've
got power for about eighteen months, use all of it.
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
I saw this. Here's a make good the WNBA and
women's basketball, seeing how they Butcher the Olympics, leaving Caitlin
Clark off the team. Sources that the Indianapolis Fever will
host the WNBA All Star Game. That's to make good
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and it's excellent, and it's right and it's smart. Caitlin
Clark is the reason I love Angel Rees. But Caitlin
Clark is the reason of the explosion of WNBA and
women's basketball ratings. How do I know that? Because the
best players in the league went to Paris and the
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ratings were flat and the attendants dipped. All the best
players went without her on the highest platform where everything
exploded with ratings. Nilsen's got a new rating system talking
to a boss yesterday that is actually elevating ratings like
never before. It's in the weeds. Won't waste your time.
(17:32):
Everything worked except the Caitlin Clark less women's dominant Olympic team.
So I find this with women's basketball. It's very territorial.
You don't support us, so we're going to do it
our way. Grow up, less, petty. We didn't cover you
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because it was a league that didn't make money and
you didn't have a Connor McGregor, a Bryce Harper, a
messy You do. Now you have a phenomenally popular and
talented player, and you got very insular and petty and
whiffed at the Olympics. It's kind of embarrassing. Everything skyrocketed,
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all the ratings through the roof Old steph Old lebron
Old KD twenty million viewers. Women's basketball flat attendance, suboptimal.
So I like this move. When a momentum arrives, meet
the moment, and I think, listen, you knew two years
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before Caitlin Clark was coming to the WNBA, she was
becoming a phenom in college at Iowa. We don't talk
iowomen's basketball. She was becoming It was like Taylor Swift
at sixteen. It's like, what is going on? What is
happening in the Big Ten? And you gave her the
hardest schedule two years later to start? What are you doing?
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I mean the NFL, Caleb Williams, go look at the
Bear schedule. Open it home with Tennessee, don't play the
Packers until week eleven. Jim Harbaugh, nice early schedule with
some DOUBLEUS. You weren't ready for it, But I like this.
No reason to be continue to be harsh. This is
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a good move more Caitlin all the time, lean into her.
Don't get petty, you were wrong, you whifted, no reason
to make fun of you. But let's let's let's go
back into what moves the ratings. A bunch of good
players in this league. They never got TV ratings like this,
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so you left about eight to ten million viewers on
the table. Men got them, women didn't for one reason. Okay,
we're gonna go Greg Madard, excellent reporter with the Patriots.
They have traded Matt Judon. Are they You can't tank
in the NFL, But it kind of feels like we're
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going to get that number one pick and either take
Carson Beck or trade it for eight picks.
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Speaker 1 (20:12):
All Right, been looking forward to this all day. There's
so many moving parts in college football. We have a
twelve team playoff. Do you coach differently going into a
twelve team playoff when you know if you're in Ohio
State or a Texas you may have four of your
biggest games are at the very end of the season.
Texas Oklahoma move into a different conference. The SEC is
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a totally different physical reality than the Big twelve. Pac
twelve moves Midwest. I don't think they're going to cower
in fear, but I do think it's different football. And
who would know more about a guy that was Coach
of the Year Urban Meyer was eighty three to nine
in the Big ten one, Natty's down in the SEC
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and he joins US Live Fox Sports seventeen years Hall
of Fame coach. So this is so I've never been
this excited about a college football season in my life. So,
you know, there's a certain brand that you know it
better than anybody. There's Big ten football. All I hear
from Big ten fans is oh, those poor West Coast teams,
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and I'm like, slow down, They're They're pretty good out
west too. They offered different. So as a Big ten
coach and now you have Oregon, Washington, SC, what would
you be concerned about? How would you look at West
Coast teams and say, hey, we're not We may have
to alter recruiting a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You know, my last two years we played USC and
the Cotton Bowl, and that way we had opportunity to
watch all the film all season long. And then my
final season in eighteen, we played Washington and the Rose Bowl,
and so you got a really good feel. And it's
changed a little bit. But the one thing that I'll
tell you about the PAC twelve, and obviously it's disappeared,
and ironically that was arguably the best I think was
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the best conference in college football last year and now
it's gone. But the difference between the Pac twelve and
the Big Ten back when I was air and talking
to coaches was the line of scrimmage. The Big Ten,
certainly the top half of the league have better offensive
defensive linemen than I saw in the Pac twelve. And
that's as far as skill quarterback play, skilled athletes on defense.
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I think you know, certainly the four teams coming in
the Big Ten, they have that skill. But the question
I have is will they have the guys up front
to compete at highest level because they're going to jump
right in and be one of the top half of
the Big Ten, right, But those teams at the top
of the Big Ten, the offense of the defensive lines
are pretty rugged.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So Ohio State's fascinating. I've said they're talented, but I'm
not always sure offensively what they are. So they go
get Chip Kelly. And it's funny Ucla. The baby blue
uniforms make you think they're finesse. Chip loves to run
the ball. Chip would run it seventy times a game
if he could. I think he's sort of the missing
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I think he's the missing piece for this offense, which
in my opinion is prettier than it's ever been. But
I'm not sure it's as physical and as tough as
urban offenses. Give me your thoughts on what Chip does
to Ryan Days offense.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I'll tell you, Colin, this is something for you to
really watch closely. I know we will a big new kickoff,
But Schip Kelly, you know I've known Chip forever. We're
very close. We spend a lot of time together going
in the spread offense and his philosophy back in the
day at Oregon as a head coach and as a
coordinator as go as fast as you can. That evolved
when he went to the NFL, and it's really evolved
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when he went to UCLA. He is now the perfect
play guy. He's a guy that's going to huddle, take
their time, and get the perfect play on. That is
drastically different than what he was as a head coach
at Oregon. I'm anxious to see it. You know, I've studied,
I've watched some UCLA film. They are very physical. They
do believe in running the ball. They believe to get
the quarterback involved. And Will Howard is I met I'm
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meeting when I was in Columbus. What a great looking
guy he is. And I understand he's really fast and athletic,
and on videotape he looks that way. But this Chick
Kelly offense is completely different than the so called radical
offense that he ran when he was the head coach
at Oregon. This is completely different, and I do believe
it's going to help the house. Date they got the quarterback,
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I think that fits the.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Scheme by the way you'd I think it's remarkable. Big
Ten fans may not know this, how many of those
UCLA three star recruits got drafted. UCLA did a really
shockingly good job. USC's recruits got the stars. Chip put
more guys in the pros, and so again he is
a he is. It's really I mean, Chip and I
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have had this conversation. You can't even believe how many
bruins end up in the Pros and being high end players.
So I want to go to the twelve team playoff.
This is now urban, this is like the NFL. It's
a semi NFL structure. And I do wonder if you
would get late in the year, you're banged up, you've
got injuries, you want to hide some stuff, would you
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coach a little differently knowing your toughest four games could
be your last four?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You know, I went out to Utah watch spring practice
and speak to the team. I went out to Oregon.
Dan Lanny has become a good friend and spent time
with his team, and then I did the spring game.
And obviously I'm close with Ryan Day and I've talked
to a couple guys about I don't. I don't believe
anyone's going into that mindset. This is uncharted waters for
college football coaches that a twelve team playoff. I can't.
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You almost sent chills down my spine when you said
you coached differently and maybe give away a game. You know, college,
you don't do that. College used to be the BCS
two teams and the playoff four teams. And you can't.
You can't stub your toe. You know that happened those
couple of times we had one loss and we didn't
make the playoffs. So I don't know. I can't answer that.
I don't think anybody can right now until we get
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a couple of years under a belt in a twelve
team playoffs.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So Texas has a great runs. The difference from the
Big twelve to the SEC is, you know, you can
go to Colombia. You can go to Columbia Missouri, and
all of a sudden you got NFL lineman up in
your grill. It's a totally different. I mean, I saw
Georgia go to Missouri like two years ago and get
pushed all over the field for three hours and escape
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with a win. I don't think Texas and Oklahoma quite understand.
I think it's easier for PAC twelve teams to go
a little east. I don't think Texas, Oklahoma understand what
it ole. Miss Lsu, Florida, Missouri, even a Kentucky you
tell me you were in that. It's like there are
no days off every even the back teams have eighty
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eight thousand in their stadium.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, and and their budgeted to win a national championship.
I told I got educated at the SEC in two
thousand and five. And when I was at Florida and
we played Tennessee in the swamp, and I looked out
there and there's a big men that. I mean, once again,
a line of everybody's going to have really good skill.
You know, some teams have a lead, but everybody's got
good skill. The difference calling is that damn defensive line
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and linebackers, the way they run in the South and
the SEC and the way they take their football. So
there's I count eight. Now you had Texas and Oklahoma.
I count ten teams that really they're alumni, they're budgeted,
and their fans expect them to compete for a national title.
In the Big Ten, you know, you got Ohio State
and the Oover Ange, you got Penn State, and now
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I put USC in that category. Oregon is getting close.
You know, they played in a couple of national championship games,
so they're very very close. Washington played in a championship game.
They're very close. But until you win that darn thing,
you know, I don't know if you can put them
up there. So I think the SEC is a whole
different level as far as top to bottom. Now the teams,
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the top teams are the Big ten as good as
anybody that proved it. Last year, the Wolverine team was
one of the best teams in the last ten years.
Ohio State has arguably the best roster in college football. However,
Weekend week Out Texas and Oklahoma. I got respect for
those programs on those coaches, but it's going to be
something they've got experienced.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I said this about Lincoln Riley. I said, go
look at Jim Harbond, Brian Kelly, and Lincoln Riley. Lincoln
Riley was a play from twelve wins his first year.
They took over a four and eight program with about
twenty eight guys that could play, and they were a
play from twelve. But if you watch them, they didn't
look like a They didn't look like a twelve win team.
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Harbaugh took a team from Brady Hope. First year. They
won ten and they had a nice tight end and
they had a couple, you know, but it was a
lot of ham and egg. It was like, they don't
look like Ohio State. I don't care what they'll win
to they don't look like they don't look like Alabama.
Brian Kelly got to a natty with mantau Tea and
I'm like, I watched the games. I'm like that that's
not an set, that it's scheduling and winning close games.
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And I said this with Lincoln Riley. They don't look
like a national championship team. That it's so hard to
get two deeps where the backups are just nflers. They're
just not getting you know, they're two years away. I
think USC is going to go in and win about
seven eight games. I don't think they'll beat Penn State.
I don't think they'll beat Notre Dame. I don't think
they'll beat LSU. I think they can win eight. But
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what's real? Even with the transfer portal, which everybody thinks
that's magic, it solves everything, Brian Kelly found out you
can't build a culture around a portal overnight. What is
reasonable even for a big brand to be able to
go into a program and have not win ten games
a Natty roster that can go toe to toe with Georgia.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I go back to when I walk on a practice field,
and I used to do this when I was a
head coach, and I'd walk in pregame and I was
so mesmerized by I would just because I was an
offensive coach, I would stare at that defensive line and
at the end of the day, if you do not
have that, you're not it's not going to happen. As
matter of fact, I think if you get exposed in
a really good conference with a defensive front, that's gonna
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be a really bad year for you. And I would
just the way I was raised, the way I was
raised in this great game, and I do it now.
Whenever I go to games and I'm getting ready to
for Fox broadcast a game, the first thing I do
is I flip on that film and I stare at
that defensive line. And if you got the Chase Yon,
Nick Bosa, Joe Bosas, etc. Those kind of guys, that's
a things are going to look really good for you.
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Look at Georgia over the years, they've had really good quarterbacks.
I mean, that's Stetsan Bennett, my godness, won a national championship.
And but you that's not what want and ask. He's
a great player and he's surrounded by great players. But
at the end of the day, you have to have
those guys on the defensive line. And I've coached against USC.
I was on the sideline when they played Utah for
the uh what was a PAC twelve championship. Yeah, and
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they did not look I agree with you. They did
not look like it. They looked like his quarterback and skill.
But we all know what happens when it gets to November.
Quarterbacks and the skill that's not what wins it for.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You, all right, So give me a give me a
surprise team in the new Big Ten. I know I've
got one. Give me a surprise team that you've either
been to practice, you know the coach, you don't, you know,
there's I think Nebraska could be very interesting. Nebraska is
interesting to me. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, you stole my thunder. I got a lot of respect.
People know this. I'm a Nebraska fan. You know, if
I was a player, I'd love to go to Nebraska's
that history of the stadium, The fans are incredible. We
coached out there and they've been really down for several years.
And I always shocked when on the sideline a couple
of times we played against him, And you know, you
talk about a team that didn't look like a Nebraska
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of old. I just think he's recruited. Well, you know,
they got the transfer quarterback that Dylan that is a
really good player. You know, I like their coach. Either
coach knows how to win. He's won at every level.
There's a difference between winning and then winning at every level,
and that's why I got a lot of respect for
that role. So in Nebraska would be my team. They're
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not good enough calling to win it, but they're good
enough to make some noise.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
All right. By the way, the summer's almost over. You
gotta have to put the golf clubs away a little bit.
None of this cushy lifestyle nonsense. Are you ready to
put the time in now, coach?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know, I'll tell you it's been cushy, man. I
mean it's been I've been fly fishing a month and
I've been remember guests in Quarterlin, Idaho. So yeah, I'm
back in the heat of Florida. I'm done in my
office here and I'm starting to watch film. But I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Great seeing you so much fun for me, Thanks, coach,
So good to see you. So Urban Meyer. Yeah, I'm
I'm I'm so excited. And to his point, those d lines,
that's what I look at. You know, to USC you
think I'm a USC homer, But they don't have a
good enough defensive line. So that's what's gonna call. They're
not gonna be Notre Dame, not gonna beat Penn State.
(32:46):
Keep your eye on Nebraska game. LSU No. I do
think they'll beat Michigan maybe, but they just don't have
the defensive front. And I think you can get away
with that in Big twelve, maybe, acc a little. You're
not getting away with that in the SEC or the
Big ten. You're just not getting They just don't have
the folks
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Thursday Urban Meyer, Alexi
Lawless gonna work people into a lather going to Boston
Live today, Patriots mess. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. J McCatty comments on the
(00:47):
hair today. So I love you. Guess you went out
last night. You got a lot of What's he talking about?
Your hairstyle looks great. It's such a few weeks before
I put on my annual fall hairpiece. So my strongest
opinions come from three places, data sources. In my eyes,
I don't care about awards. I never have. Those are
(01:09):
totally subjective. That I mean. I watched mbid get the
MVP over Yokic laughable Westbrook got an MVP. By the way,
I hear often with Dak, well, he was a blankety
blank MVP, very close data sources, eyes and my eyes
(01:29):
have always told me, and my data has always told
me with Dak, if you don't give him a surplus
of weapons, he's mediocre. I don't care where he finishes
in awards. Eyes doesn't blow me away. Data without stars,
bad and sources. We've had people on this showing off
(01:50):
the show. He doesn't throw a great bull. So the
fact that Jerry Jones is taking his dear sweet time
with a Ceedee Lamb contract is crazy to me. This
will be a bottom five offense in the NFL without
Ceedee Lamb. They'll still generate a pass rush without Micah
though I would re sign him, and they can win
(02:13):
games with Cooper Rush if you give them weapons. So
Ceedee Lamb is uniquely important that they don't really have
a clear number two receiver you can trust. Running back
room is thin and that's being nice. So and Jerry Jones,
you know, sort of slow play the Ceedee Lamb comments
this week ago everybody went WHOA. Jerry has clarified as
(02:38):
comments on the contract forthcoming with Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where conscientiously working to get something done. We obviously do
this because of how bad we want to be together.
I know he wants to be a Dallas cowboy, and
we want him to be a Dallas cowboy. So I
don't flare too much when we say something that might
be taken the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I really don't. Okay, So let's go to the data argument.
We have data on DAK without a number one receiver.
It was twenty eighteen, six years ago. The old line
was better than now, and Zeke was in his prime.
Before they went and acquired Amari Cooper, DAK was a backup.
(03:24):
Sixty two percent completion percentage, eighty seven passer rating Atd's
four picks is a backup. My eyes have always told
me he's not super talented. The data tells you he doesn't.
He's not Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen winning four straight
division titles with a hit and miss run game, sometimes
(03:44):
no run game, and outside of left tackle makeshift off
revolving to our old line. That's Josh Allen. Mahomes winning
Super Bowls with arguably the second worst receiving corps last
two years in the league. That's Mahomes. DAK needs protect
a run game and weapons. Remember those numbers I'm showing
(04:05):
you on the screen. How bad was thatk was pri Amari.
That's what Tyron Smith and Zach Martin closer to their prime.
Martin at that time was arguably best guard in the league.
Tyron Smith first or second best left tackle, they're not now.
And that was Zeke in his prime or really close
to his prime. So this is not Josh Allen where
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you can kind of just ham An eggitt with the
run game and win a division. This is not Mahomes
the receiving core. There is no number one, and Rashi
Rice you can't trust him sometimes to be a two.
So there's no proof at all with my eyes or
data or my sources that Dak can carry below average
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offensive skill players. And if you go to the Cowboys' schedule,
especially early in the season, that's why they got to
get this puppy wrapped up. The Cowboys first eight weeks,
five road games, and many the best defensive rosters in
the league Cleveland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, the Giant, San Francisco, and
Atlanta now has added an egg rusher. So it's like
(05:11):
you can't mess around with this Ceedee Lamb thing. You
got to get this puppy. You gotta get it finished again.
I like Micah a lot, but they have DeMarcus Lawrence
and I like dak Ay. One games with Cooper Rush,
Ceedee Lamb season over. No, Ceedee Lamb season over. And
then think about this, You start slowly. The Cowboys need
(05:31):
a quick start for Mike McCarthy's job, so a lot
of teams can get off to a slow start. The
Chicago Bears with Matt Eberflus, they got to win in September.
Jim Harbaugh doesn't, Andy Reid doesn't, Sean McVay doesn't, Kyle
Shanahan doesn't, Mike McCarthy, Nick Sirianni, Matt Eberflus. They gotta
(05:55):
win in September, in early October. Those first six weeks,
you could have splintered locker rooms. If things don't go right.
You got to get CD Lamb in today as soon
as possible. All right, So remember on draft day, y'all
freaked out when the Falcons desperately needed and they did
(06:19):
need an edge rusher, but it wasn't a very good
defensive draft, and instead they took a quarterback, and they
had Kirk Cousins and they drafted Michael Pennix and the
world lost there. You know what, Well, yesterday the Falcons
traded for third round pick for Matthew Judon, good not superstar,
(06:39):
but good edge rusher for the Patriots. So the Falcons
got lit because they took a franchise quarterback. He'll sit
for a year, maybe franchise quarterback over addressing an edge rusher.
It was the right move. I said it then and
I'll say it now. You can find edg rushers. The
(07:01):
Rams found Von Miller then let him go, got a trophy.
The Eagles went and got Bryce Huff's Huff from the Jets.
Lost Hassan Reddick found Bryce Huff from the Jets. You
can find edge rushers free agency, you can find them
late in the draft. You can find them at the
(07:22):
trade deadline. You know what you can't find at the
trade deadline, Michael Pennix. You can't find Michael Pennix at
the trade deadline. No CJ. Stroud. Nobody's giving up a
face of a franchise quarterback early in his career, inexpensive
and probably the future of the franchise that you can't
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find even first round quarterbacks are a fifty to fifty hit.
It's the hardest position in the league to get right.
Edge rushers are available. I mean, go back to this
past March a prime example. So this past March it
was agency and edge rushers are just a cost issue.
They're always available. Are you willing to pay for them? Quarterbacks?
(08:08):
Young star quarterbacks, that's a scarcity issue. There's like one
delivered a year. Five are drafted in the first round.
One becomes a star. That's a scarcity issue. Edge rushers,
it's a cost issue. So I just look it up
this morning. In March, these free agents were all available.
(08:28):
Edge rushers, Josh Allen, Chase Young, Brian Burns, Danille Hunter,
Jonathan Grenard, they were all in the market. Matthew Judan wasn't.
But now the Falcons just traded for him. By the
trade deadline. Somebody's going to be moving off an expensive
edge rusher Khalil Mack by the way, maybe Bosa. Are
(08:50):
the Chargers going to keep both of those edge rushers.
What if they need a pop at wide receiver, they
can move one. They're getting a bit of a rush,
a surplus of pass runs, an inefficiency or a lack
of production at wide receiver. You may have Khalil Mack available.
So there is an order of operation in the NFL.
Number one, get your franchise quarterback. Number two. Everything else
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that is the order of operation, get the quarterback. So
the fact that Atlanta has an old one and a
young one, okay, I mean JJ McCarthy's already out for
the year. We already have a quarterback. We haven't really
moved into the beef of the exhibition schedule yet, Minnesota's
already down one surplus of quarterbacks. There is a order
(09:44):
to how this whole thing works. So everybody losing their
stuff on the Kirk Cousins Michael Pennox situation was nonsense.
I mean, Kirk's old. He's coming off of, like, you know,
major surgery. He didn't move great before it. How do
we know it's going to move now? So way to
go Falcons, Way to pick him up. I always love
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you know. The United States men's national team has a
new soccer manager, Alexi Lawless. The voice of reason will
stop by the whole thing. I gotta I want to
address it next because I don't think soccer, I think
it deserves more love. I think it's the beautiful game,
it's a great game, and I think we have the
most skill we've ever had. But yesterday the United States
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men's national team went and they got they got a player,
They went and got a big time coach. Doesn't have trophies,
but Tottenham Chelsea. You know he's managed egos, pressurized, high
leverage situations. But I want to I want to warn
the new manager what he's in for as the lead
(10:54):
dog of men's team USA. There's land minds everywhere, and
I will warn him. Happy for him, Gonna warn him.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
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App entering the No Bull Zone, brought to you by
credible great Rates and none of the Bowl. So the
United States men's national team has hired their next manager.
Their next coach, Mauricio poach Atino. He is Tottenham, took
them to the Champions League Final. He's coached high leverage teams.
(11:37):
He's very good developing young players. He's responsible. Gets credit
at least some for Harry Kane's development into a star overseas.
So this is you know, this guy's been in the spotlight,
high leverage situations. Welcome to Team USA. About sixty percent
of the resources and ninety five to more percent of
(11:59):
the xpectations. Here's your team Usay, puffy jacket, good luck.
Let me give you a heads up on what's going
to happen, what's in store for you, Mauricio, because I
wish you the very best. This is the one team
that I root for of all the sports teams, this
is the one in the country I root for, and
I don't care if I'm a journalist or trying to
(12:20):
be you know, reasonable. You will be blamed for all losses.
It's never the players. The players are never responsible. It's
always the manager. Greg Burholter won almost seventy percent of
his matches. There's a lot of politics in our soccer,
very very territorial land mines everywhere. You'll need to develop
a toughness and a culture both. We have more skill
(12:43):
than we've ever had, many of our players or flourishing overseas,
but we have no grit. So there you go, and
did I mention you'll be blamed for all the losses
and usually draws as well, you have to then cobble
this all together fairly quick quickly, build culture, grit, chemistry.
We are hosting the next World Cup, and I won't
(13:06):
say it's delusional, but our expectations my entire life are
about twelve spots in the world rankings higher than what's true.
We've been the fifteenth best team or the eighteenth best team.
And our guys over here are lads, they're young. They'll
be your primary opponent, will be young soccer fans online.
You'll learn very quickly they know much more than you.
(13:28):
They go by names like Beckett and Ethan and your
dumb they're brilliant, although they couldn't make the college soccer team.
Innermurals if you will, so you'll find that very quickly.
You'll take all the blame. Players aren't held accountable. When
Greg Berhalter tried that with one, he was basically on
the wrong side of employment. That's just not the way
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it works. So you'll have your most leverage now before
the World Cup, because eventually you will not win the
World Cup and you'll be blamed for not winning the
World Cup. So you've got average now. You're not going
to get ridy in three months be hard on the players,
create a culture. I'm not sure what it is beyond
you know, it's sort of like I say all the time,
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Ohio State football is talented. What are they? That's why
Michigan keeps beating them? We've got talent more than we've
ever had. What are we? Are we tough?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
We don't have Clint Dempsey anymore? You know what I mean?
Like that, We're just talented. So you've got a ton
of leverage early, use every ounce of it. Hold players accountable,
Blame them for insufficiencies. Yes, blame the players. If they're
getting paid all the money in all these pro leagues,
then they get hits too. Because we blame NFL players,
(14:40):
We blame NBA players, we blame hockey players. We never
blame soccer players. It's always the coach. It's not the
way it works in other sports in America, we blame
college players in football, basketball, WNBA players get blamed, NBA
players get blamed, Soccer players fire the manager. So good luck,
(15:06):
it's not a demo, it's a renovation. Here's the good news.
It's not a demo. You've got skill. The foundation is
actually pretty damn strong. Got a nice kitchen plumbing needs
some work. Lighting has to be completely replaced. New roof
is probably in order, but it's not a demo. It's
(15:26):
a nice street kitchen's pretty nice master bathroom they just
previously redid it. Good luck to you, though, and you've
got power for about eighteen months, use all of it.
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
I saw this. Here's a make good the WNBA and
women's basketball, seeing how they Butcher the Olympics, leaving Caitlin
Clark off the team. Sources that the Indianapolis Fever will
host the WNBA All Star Game. That's to make good
(16:47):
and it's excellent, and it's right and it's smart. Caitlin
Clark is the reason I love Angel Rees. But Caitlin
Clark is the reason of the explosion of WNBA and
women's basketball ratings. How do I know that? Because the
best players in the league went to Paris and the
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ratings were flat and the attendants dipped. All the best
players went without her on the highest platform where everything
exploded with ratings. Nilsen's got a new rating system talking
to a boss yesterday that is actually elevating ratings like
never before. It's in the weeds. Won't waste your time.
(17:32):
Everything worked except the Caitlin Clark less women's dominant Olympic team.
So I find this with women's basketball. It's very territorial.
You don't support us, so we're going to do it
our way. Grow up, less, petty. We didn't cover you
(17:54):
because it was a league that didn't make money and
you didn't have a Connor McGregor, a Bryce Harper, a
messy You do. Now you have a phenomenally popular and
talented player, and you got very insular and petty and
whiffed at the Olympics. It's kind of embarrassing. Everything skyrocketed,
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all the ratings through the roof Old steph Old lebron
Old KD twenty million viewers. Women's basketball flat attendance, suboptimal.
So I like this move. When a momentum arrives, meet
the moment, and I think, listen, you knew two years
(18:35):
before Caitlin Clark was coming to the WNBA, she was
becoming a phenom in college at Iowa. We don't talk
iowomen's basketball. She was becoming It was like Taylor Swift
at sixteen. It's like, what is going on? What is
happening in the Big Ten? And you gave her the
hardest schedule two years later to start? What are you doing?
(18:58):
I mean the NFL, Caleb Williams, go look at the
Bear schedule. Open it home with Tennessee, don't play the
Packers until week eleven. Jim Harbaugh, nice early schedule with
some DOUBLEUS. You weren't ready for it, But I like this.
No reason to be continue to be harsh. This is
(19:19):
a good move more Caitlin all the time, lean into her.
Don't get petty, you were wrong, you whifted, no reason
to make fun of you. But let's let's let's go
back into what moves the ratings. A bunch of good
players in this league. They never got TV ratings like this,
(19:40):
so you left about eight to ten million viewers on
the table. Men got them, women didn't for one reason. Okay,
we're gonna go Greg Madard, excellent reporter with the Patriots.
They have traded Matt Judon. Are they You can't tank
in the NFL, But it kind of feels like we're
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going to get that number one pick and either take
Carson Beck or trade it for eight picks.
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Speaker 1 (20:12):
All Right, been looking forward to this all day. There's
so many moving parts in college football. We have a
twelve team playoff. Do you coach differently going into a
twelve team playoff when you know if you're in Ohio
State or a Texas you may have four of your
biggest games are at the very end of the season.
Texas Oklahoma move into a different conference. The SEC is
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a totally different physical reality than the Big twelve. Pac
twelve moves Midwest. I don't think they're going to cower
in fear, but I do think it's different football. And
who would know more about a guy that was Coach
of the Year Urban Meyer was eighty three to nine
in the Big ten one, Natty's down in the SEC
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and he joins US Live Fox Sports seventeen years Hall
of Fame coach. So this is so I've never been
this excited about a college football season in my life. So,
you know, there's a certain brand that you know it
better than anybody. There's Big ten football. All I hear
from Big ten fans is oh, those poor West Coast teams,
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and I'm like, slow down, They're They're pretty good out
west too. They offered different. So as a Big ten
coach and now you have Oregon, Washington, SC, what would
you be concerned about? How would you look at West
Coast teams and say, hey, we're not We may have
to alter recruiting a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You know, my last two years we played USC and
the Cotton Bowl, and that way we had opportunity to
watch all the film all season long. And then my
final season in eighteen, we played Washington and the Rose Bowl,
and so you got a really good feel. And it's
changed a little bit. But the one thing that I'll
tell you about the PAC twelve, and obviously it's disappeared,
and ironically that was arguably the best I think was
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the best conference in college football last year and now
it's gone. But the difference between the Pac twelve and
the Big Ten back when I was air and talking
to coaches was the line of scrimmage. The Big Ten,
certainly the top half of the league have better offensive
defensive linemen than I saw in the Pac twelve. And
that's as far as skill quarterback play, skilled athletes on defense.
(22:21):
I think you know, certainly the four teams coming in
the Big Ten, they have that skill. But the question
I have is will they have the guys up front
to compete at highest level because they're going to jump
right in and be one of the top half of
the Big Ten, right, But those teams at the top
of the Big Ten, the offense of the defensive lines
are pretty rugged.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So Ohio State's fascinating. I've said they're talented, but I'm
not always sure offensively what they are. So they go
get Chip Kelly. And it's funny Ucla. The baby blue
uniforms make you think they're finesse. Chip loves to run
the ball. Chip would run it seventy times a game
if he could. I think he's sort of the missing
(23:00):
I think he's the missing piece for this offense, which
in my opinion is prettier than it's ever been. But
I'm not sure it's as physical and as tough as
urban offenses. Give me your thoughts on what Chip does
to Ryan Days offense.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I'll tell you, Colin, this is something for you to
really watch closely. I know we will a big new kickoff,
But Schip Kelly, you know I've known Chip forever. We're
very close. We spend a lot of time together going
in the spread offense and his philosophy back in the
day at Oregon as a head coach and as a
coordinator as go as fast as you can. That evolved
when he went to the NFL, and it's really evolved
(23:37):
when he went to UCLA. He is now the perfect
play guy. He's a guy that's going to huddle, take
their time, and get the perfect play on. That is
drastically different than what he was as a head coach
at Oregon. I'm anxious to see it. You know, I've studied,
I've watched some UCLA film. They are very physical. They
do believe in running the ball. They believe to get
the quarterback involved. And Will Howard is I met I'm
(24:00):
meeting when I was in Columbus. What a great looking
guy he is. And I understand he's really fast and athletic,
and on videotape he looks that way. But this Chick
Kelly offense is completely different than the so called radical
offense that he ran when he was the head coach
at Oregon. This is completely different, and I do believe
it's going to help the house. Date they got the quarterback,
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I think that fits the.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Scheme by the way you'd I think it's remarkable. Big
Ten fans may not know this, how many of those
UCLA three star recruits got drafted. UCLA did a really
shockingly good job. USC's recruits got the stars. Chip put
more guys in the pros, and so again he is
a he is. It's really I mean, Chip and I
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have had this conversation. You can't even believe how many
bruins end up in the Pros and being high end players.
So I want to go to the twelve team playoff.
This is now urban, this is like the NFL. It's
a semi NFL structure. And I do wonder if you
would get late in the year, you're banged up, you've
got injuries, you want to hide some stuff, would you
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coach a little differently knowing your toughest four games could
be your last four?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You know, I went out to Utah watch spring practice
and speak to the team. I went out to Oregon.
Dan Lanny has become a good friend and spent time
with his team, and then I did the spring game.
And obviously I'm close with Ryan Day and I've talked
to a couple guys about I don't. I don't believe
anyone's going into that mindset. This is uncharted waters for
college football coaches that a twelve team playoff. I can't.
(25:35):
You almost sent chills down my spine when you said
you coached differently and maybe give away a game. You know, college,
you don't do that. College used to be the BCS
two teams and the playoff four teams. And you can't.
You can't stub your toe. You know that happened those
couple of times we had one loss and we didn't
make the playoffs. So I don't know. I can't answer that.
I don't think anybody can right now until we get
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a couple of years under a belt in a twelve
team playoffs.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So Texas has a great runs. The difference from the
Big twelve to the SEC is, you know, you can
go to Colombia. You can go to Columbia Missouri, and
all of a sudden you got NFL lineman up in
your grill. It's a totally different. I mean, I saw
Georgia go to Missouri like two years ago and get
pushed all over the field for three hours and escape
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with a win. I don't think Texas and Oklahoma quite understand.
I think it's easier for PAC twelve teams to go
a little east. I don't think Texas, Oklahoma understand what
it ole. Miss Lsu, Florida, Missouri, even a Kentucky you
tell me you were in that. It's like there are
no days off every even the back teams have eighty
(26:43):
eight thousand in their stadium.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, and and their budgeted to win a national championship.
I told I got educated at the SEC in two
thousand and five. And when I was at Florida and
we played Tennessee in the swamp, and I looked out
there and there's a big men that. I mean, once again,
a line of everybody's going to have really good skill.
You know, some teams have a lead, but everybody's got
good skill. The difference calling is that damn defensive line
(27:08):
and linebackers, the way they run in the South and
the SEC and the way they take their football. So
there's I count eight. Now you had Texas and Oklahoma.
I count ten teams that really they're alumni, they're budgeted,
and their fans expect them to compete for a national title.
In the Big Ten, you know, you got Ohio State
and the Oover Ange, you got Penn State, and now
(27:30):
I put USC in that category. Oregon is getting close.
You know, they played in a couple of national championship games,
so they're very very close. Washington played in a championship game.
They're very close. But until you win that darn thing,
you know, I don't know if you can put them
up there. So I think the SEC is a whole
different level as far as top to bottom. Now the teams,
(27:50):
the top teams are the Big ten as good as
anybody that proved it. Last year, the Wolverine team was
one of the best teams in the last ten years.
Ohio State has arguably the best roster in college football. However,
Weekend week Out Texas and Oklahoma. I got respect for
those programs on those coaches, but it's going to be
something they've got experienced.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I said this about Lincoln Riley. I said, go
look at Jim Harbond, Brian Kelly, and Lincoln Riley. Lincoln
Riley was a play from twelve wins his first year.
They took over a four and eight program with about
twenty eight guys that could play, and they were a
play from twelve. But if you watch them, they didn't
look like a They didn't look like a twelve win team.
(28:28):
Harbaugh took a team from Brady Hope. First year. They
won ten and they had a nice tight end and
they had a couple, you know, but it was a
lot of ham and egg. It was like, they don't
look like Ohio State. I don't care what they'll win
to they don't look like they don't look like Alabama.
Brian Kelly got to a natty with mantau Tea and
I'm like, I watched the games. I'm like that that's
not an set, that it's scheduling and winning close games.
(28:50):
And I said this with Lincoln Riley. They don't look
like a national championship team. That it's so hard to
get two deeps where the backups are just nflers. They're
just not getting you know, they're two years away. I
think USC is going to go in and win about
seven eight games. I don't think they'll beat Penn State.
I don't think they'll beat Notre Dame. I don't think
they'll beat LSU. I think they can win eight. But
(29:13):
what's real? Even with the transfer portal, which everybody thinks
that's magic, it solves everything, Brian Kelly found out you
can't build a culture around a portal overnight. What is
reasonable even for a big brand to be able to
go into a program and have not win ten games
a Natty roster that can go toe to toe with Georgia.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I go back to when I walk on a practice field,
and I used to do this when I was a
head coach, and I'd walk in pregame and I was
so mesmerized by I would just because I was an
offensive coach, I would stare at that defensive line and
at the end of the day, if you do not
have that, you're not it's not going to happen. As
matter of fact, I think if you get exposed in
a really good conference with a defensive front, that's gonna
(30:02):
be a really bad year for you. And I would
just the way I was raised, the way I was
raised in this great game, and I do it now.
Whenever I go to games and I'm getting ready to
for Fox broadcast a game, the first thing I do
is I flip on that film and I stare at
that defensive line. And if you got the Chase Yon,
Nick Bosa, Joe Bosas, etc. Those kind of guys, that's
a things are going to look really good for you.
(30:23):
Look at Georgia over the years, they've had really good quarterbacks.
I mean, that's Stetsan Bennett, my godness, won a national championship.
And but you that's not what want and ask. He's
a great player and he's surrounded by great players. But
at the end of the day, you have to have
those guys on the defensive line. And I've coached against USC.
I was on the sideline when they played Utah for
the uh what was a PAC twelve championship. Yeah, and
(30:46):
they did not look I agree with you. They did
not look like it. They looked like his quarterback and skill.
But we all know what happens when it gets to November.
Quarterbacks and the skill that's not what wins it for.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You, all right, So give me a give me a
surprise team in the new Big Ten. I know I've
got one. Give me a surprise team that you've either
been to practice, you know the coach, you don't, you know,
there's I think Nebraska could be very interesting. Nebraska is
interesting to me. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, you stole my thunder. I got a lot of respect.
People know this. I'm a Nebraska fan. You know, if
I was a player, I'd love to go to Nebraska's
that history of the stadium, The fans are incredible. We
coached out there and they've been really down for several years.
And I always shocked when on the sideline a couple
of times we played against him, And you know, you
talk about a team that didn't look like a Nebraska
(31:37):
of old. I just think he's recruited. Well, you know,
they got the transfer quarterback that Dylan that is a
really good player. You know, I like their coach. Either
coach knows how to win. He's won at every level.
There's a difference between winning and then winning at every level,
and that's why I got a lot of respect for
that role. So in Nebraska would be my team. They're
(31:58):
not good enough calling to win it, but they're good
enough to make some noise.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
All right. By the way, the summer's almost over. You
gotta have to put the golf clubs away a little bit.
None of this cushy lifestyle nonsense. Are you ready to
put the time in now, coach?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know, I'll tell you it's been cushy, man. I
mean it's been I've been fly fishing a month and
I've been remember guests in Quarterlin, Idaho. So yeah, I'm
back in the heat of Florida. I'm done in my
office here and I'm starting to watch film. But I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Great seeing you so much fun for me, Thanks, coach,
So good to see you. So Urban Meyer. Yeah, I'm
I'm I'm so excited. And to his point, those d lines,
that's what I look at. You know, to USC you
think I'm a USC homer, But they don't have a
good enough defensive line. So that's what's gonna call. They're
not gonna be Notre Dame, not gonna beat Penn State.
(32:46):
Keep your eye on Nebraska game. LSU No. I do
think they'll beat Michigan maybe, but they just don't have
the defensive front. And I think you can get away
with that in Big twelve, maybe, acc a little. You're
not getting away with that in the SEC or the
Big ten. You're just not getting They just don't have
the folks
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