August 20, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin shares his 5 bold predictions for the upcoming NFL season
He talks about how quick Sean Payton knew Bo Nix was his guy and why he feels this team up is going to work
Guest: Brian Baldinger
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hour two first hour flew by live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for megan us part of your day. Jmak.
This is a very tasty time for us. This is
one of my favorite times of the year. Last couple
of breaks, little VK time and slowly move into college
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football and your kids are back in school. Now, weather's
still good, still have some still have some time for
golf late summer, but damn we're We're only a couple
of weeks away from Labor Day weekend and that's now
NFL doesn't start with the Thursday after that. But this
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is a really interesting time. And remember the NFL preseason's
only three games now, so we're for most teams, we're
a couple of games through it. And I do think
there's things. Tomorrow, I'll make my second to last predictions
on the NFL playoffs. I do think I have a
sense quarterbacks have played more this preseason than last, and
we have more good ones and they come in with
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much more experience. Bon Knicks, Michael Pennix, Jayden Daniels, Caleb.
I do feel I can get my arms around what
I'm watching. So I thought today my five bold predictions.
I can make easy ones. Josh Allen's going to be good.
Andy Reid will make the playoffs. No, I don't choose that.
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I'm not looking to be perfect. I'm going to take
some bold predictions. Are you ready to go here? The
first one's kind of negative. I think Dennis Allen Saints
is the first coach to be let go. They've missed
the playoffs back to back years. The NFC South, Atlanta
and Carolina are undoubtedly better teams, no question, the Falcons
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and the Panthers are much better teams. For the first
six games for Dennis Allen are against playoff teams from
last year. I just I don't see the juice offensively.
I think Dennis is the first coach to be let go.
Number two is I think Jayden Daniels Washington wins Offensive
Rookie of the Year. Now Caleb Williams has better weapons,
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So Jaden's gonna have to move. He's gonna have to run.
I think that's gonna play well. He's gonna he's gonna
feel like RG three did first year in Washington, his legs.
I don't think Caleb, with all those weapons will have
to move as much. His offensive coordinator, Cliff Kingsbury has
a reputation he's very good with mobile quarterbacks, and he
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was pounding the tables for jadaln Daniels Jaden Daniels. I
also think this is my opinion, the division is not
as good, So I think Jayden wins Offensive Rookie of
the Year. Number three is I think the Rams reach
may not win it, but I think they reach the
NFC Championship. I don't know if they can beat Detroit.
I don't know if they can beat Green Bay, Kyron Williams,
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Blake krum, Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup, Matt Stafford, Sean McVay.
That's a big time offense and they have given their
last two to three years all their draft capital up
front is defensive dudes. I They've been a top ten
scoring offense too the three year Stafford's been there. I
really like this team and they no noise, no nose.
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San Francisco, nothing but noise. Kyler Murray, he'll be some noise,
no noise, no expectations. I don't now. The hardest two
games of the year to win are a conference championship
in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying the Rams win
the conference championship. I think they get there. Number four,
I think Jordan Love wins the MVP first of all
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the last ten years, excuse me, the last ten starts.
Last year he was the best quarterback in football. Yep. Also,
I think there's voter fatigue with Lamar, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers,
you know, Mahomes winning MVP. We want a new story.
Media likes stories. He's fresh, he's fun. Also, I think
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they're stacked offensively with an offensive coach Josh Jacobs, Romeo Dobbs,
Jaden Reid, Luke Muskrave, Christian Watson. I think they have
and last year their offense at the end of the year,
it was like, WHOA, what have we got here? Young
quarterback generationally aligned with all his young receivers and tight
ends in alignment. I think this offense is magic this year.
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And finally, I think Dallas narrowly misses the playoffs. They
have the quietest lee talented running back room in my opinion,
in the league. And Dak Prescott when he has to
throw over forty times his eight and eighteen in his career,
and I think the NFC is better than it's been
the last two to three years, so the NFC is tougher.
He has no run game. If they don't sign CD Lamb,
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they're not only going to miss the playoffs, they may
not have the same coach by mid October. Hey, I've
got to sign CD Lamb. They were quiet and free agency.
I don't see a ton of depth, so I don't
think any of these are crazy. These are my bold predictions.
I'll put it out there. J Mack, what do you
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make of it?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm I mean, the Jordan Love MVP caught me totally
flat footed, so I decided to let me go and
look up the odds. I mean, obviously Mahomes, Alan Stroud
Burrow are up there. That hurts, but Jordan Love is
right after. I'm stunned at that MVP of the league. Well,
hold on one thing that a lot of people didn't.
I started to read about some of these teams a
little more now, so you know the last five games
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that Packers played, Aaron Rodgers was a monster, carrying the
team over one hundred and ten yards. I think every
game with him healthy and grinding out, it made.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Love's life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Jones is now gone.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Do you trust the new backfield in green Back? I
think that is that's crazy, but he has way better
odds than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Aaron Rodgers, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't think people realize how deep Green Bay's offensive
weapons are. I'm not joking. Go look at Dallas's receiving
corps and look at green Bay's. If you carried eight receivers,
it would be Ceedee Lamb and seven Packers. I'm not
joking when I.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Say that we on Brandon Cooks is good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Come on, and I've done on these guys, No way.
These guys are all free, They're all He's not cheap.
I'm telling you Green Bay's receiving tight end core. They're
not paying any of these guys for years. They are stacked.
Josh Jacob is an excellent running back, So you have.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Rams in the NFC Championship Game, likely against to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I think I think Allons bro well. Again, I don't know.
I didn't make that prediction. I think Jordan Love. Remember
MVPs don't usually win the Super Bowl. I don't know
if they have enough experience Green Bay to win the
Super Bowl, but I think it's going to be a
I think it's going to be a flex for Matt
Lafleur and Jordan Love. I think they're gonna they'll be
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the highest scoring team in the league. Now again, the Packers,
and I don't know why this is. The Packers always
disappoint me defensively. I don't know why they draft first
round defensive players, but I always feel like the Packers
squeeze every ounce of juice out of their offense and
always leave me wanting more with their defense. I don't
have an answer for it. They obviously draft and develop
very well. I want to bring on somebody. It's it's
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one of my favorite guys on the internet. It's called
Baldy Breakdowns. Brian Baldinger played in the NFL for thirteen
years undrafted out of Duke, but he really teaches you
things on the Internet, and he really is intentional and
practical and I love it. Plus he's a duchy, so
you know he's a smart guy. They're not let guys
like me, and you know he knows what he's doing.
So here we go. NFL Networks, Brian Baldinger, So you
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did a really interesting breakdown. It's just so thorough and
so smart on bow Nicks. And I hadn't heard a
lot of what you said. So as a as a
thirteen year offensive lineman, when you were with Dallas, you
played every position. Nobody knows old line like you. What
did you see with Bonicks? You love concern you fire away?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, I mean, I think it sort of personifies just
the playmaking and creativity that Sean Payton has. Like Bownicks
has good mobility. We saw it auver, we saw it
certainly at Oregon. He uses some of that mobility. You
saw the touchdown throw to Tim Patrick at the you know,
in the touchdown throw, where's the little boot drag action
that throw over the middle. I'm third and ten right there,
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great throw to Tim Patrick. Well you've seen this mobility
right here. This a throw on the outside to Courtland Sutton,
like he extended the play, keeps his eyes down the field.
This is a great throw. It's a great throw right there.
On timing on that incut to Sutton. You know for
eighteen yards you're looking at this right here, this little
play action right there to Marvin mimes like he gets
the ball out of his hands fast. He knows this
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is the touchdown last week to Tim Patrick off that
boot drag action.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I mean, Sean Payton is just.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Using play action screens screens away his movement. It's a
perfect marriage I think be seen between Sean Payton's creativity
and what bow Nick's is good at. And so right
now he's scheming guys open. It's not a lot of
difficult throws, but that's a good throw. On timing the
Sutton and any offense, that's a good throw.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So listen. The concern with Caleb, and it's maybe a
good concern to have. He's a little free wheeler and
a little bit of an ad liver. And I did
see this weekend. I'm like, first of all, it's like,
if you have a great singing voice, you probably sing
in the car, you sing in the shower. I wish
I had one. Sometimes it's a burden, though, when you
are so gifted that you just don't you know, you
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take off. Because it worked in high school, it worked
in college. Do you worry at all about Caleb when
you watch him that he's leaving before he has to?
Or or Baldy, is he leaving because he has to?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I think he's leaving more because he has to. We've
seen him stay in the pocket. He is excellent on
the move. He just he plays the game like that.
But I've known, God, I've known Caleb since he was
in Gonzaga High School and I've sat in a film
room when he was seventeen years old. He knew how
to attack every coverage, quarters, cover three, like he knew
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what a robber was in the middle of Like he
had all those skills when he was in high school.
He was working with Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan in
Quarterback Collective and then his arm is elite. So now
this kind of plays. They said, Well, he did this
at USC, you watch it every weekend at USC.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
He did it at Oklahoma. Now can he do it
at the NFL?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Well, you know, there's a whole bunch of defensive linement
in this league that want to plant him into somebody's
turf if he does that, but he is he is
very very talented doing that. You just hope that he
doesn't do it too often where he relies on that
to make his splash plays.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So Jade and Daniels, I'm just going to let you
break it down. I like him a lot. He's a
little spindly in thin. They don't have a great offensive line.
That always worries me, Whereas I think the Bear's old
line is a little undervalued. I think it's pretty good
at tackle. I think Washington's got some concerns in a
division with good pass rushers, with the Giants, with the Cowboys,
with the Eagles, I'm a little concerned about that. What
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is your baldy? What does the film say on Jade
and Daniels college and what you've seen.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Well, he is thin, but he's tall. He's tall and thin,
and he's very fast. But he throws that ball right
there to Terry McClaren was on the outside away from
the defenders who he could turn up. This throw was
obviously a check at the line of scrimmage that he saw.
When I'm around him, he's very very poised. I mean,
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I was talking to him during the Jet scrimmage last week,
very very poised in what he's doing. I think you'll
see a lot of pistol formations, which is a good
formation with him. We saw it with Tua last year,
who was in the pistol formation more than any other quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
In this league.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
He can see the whole field when he's in a pistol,
but it bounces up the defense. You run it a
little bit better out of there, and then there'll be
a lot of quarterback runs for him. Like you saw there.
He throws a very good pass. Everybody you talk to,
including mclarn or Cliff Kingsbury or Dan Quinn.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
He's first in, he's last to leave. Like.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
He's a very committed employer right now of the Washington commanders,
and I think they need a lot more help around
him right now. I mean, I think there was a
reason why they were in the Brandon Ayu sweepstakes. They
need more help around him at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Brian Baldinger joining us thirteen years in the NFL, You know,
I think it's understood the Jets defense is good. Garrett Wilson,
Breeze Hall, Sauce Gardner, there are things I know will
be good. Aaron will be too if he gets protection. Brian,
this is what concerns me. Old offensive linemen don't play
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in the preseason. They just don't. And you've got two
old guys coming in, a rookie from Penn State Elijah
vera Tucker off injury. If the my take is man
San Francisco, that's a rough opener for that old line.
I do think their defense will carry them the first
two months. You tell me, as somebody that played every
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offensive line position for Dallas in your era, you played
in three of those preseason games. Old guys aren't doing that.
Do you worry about Aaron's protection and also off of surgery, Brian,
He's gonna throw that ball away. He's not gonna take hits.
Do you worry about that upfront protection for Aaron?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Well, not necessarily right now.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I mean, I've watched the scrimmage against Washington, the scrimmage
Carolina last week, those scrimmage the Giants tomorrow. They're getting
a lot of work in these one day scrim that
they're having. I think Tyron Smith, Morgan, Moses John Simpson
are gonna They're gonna start Week one against the forty
nine ers. I think that Oli Vera Tucker back Joe
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Tipman in the second year. You look at the depth
that they created. Last year was Look, last year was
a disaster, but if there is a blessing to it.
Carter Warren played, Wes Switzerer played. A lot of these
guys are now backups. Yeah, they got a lot of
time last year. If something happens to these front line guys,
you know, I mean, you've got a first round pick
now that's swinging at right tackle, left tackle. You've got
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some backups that have played.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
And know the system.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I think, Look, if you give this defense the lead
in the fourth quarter, they're gonna they're gonna be up
amongst the leaders in.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Takeaways in this league. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Uh, the ball is gonna have to come out. Aaron
Rodgers told me a couple of weeks ago, Colin, He said,
if we get a fourteen point lead, we're not losing
a game. We're gonna step on team's throats, like and
that's how he thinks. And so if you give this
defense a lead, they're gonna feast.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah. Finally, I just had my five bold NFL predictions.
I picked Jordan Love as MVP Green Bay over the
last two to three years, has drafted o line, wide
receiver and tight end. I mean there's no misses. Everybody hits.
I think they're gonna flex. I don't know about their defense.
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I never do. But it felt like last year it
was Matt Lafleur's offense. You know, Aaron's gonna do some
of his own stuff. It felt like Matt's What do
you make when you broke down that film of Matt
Lafleur now calling the plays? It is his offense. What
does Matt Lafleur do If I'd never seen the Packers playing, say, Baldy,
what's Matt Lafleuur's offense with Jordan love.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, he plays a ton of formations. He's got a
lot of interchangeable parts. He never gets away from the
run game. He plays as many two tight end offensive
sets as anybody in this business. The key right now
is what you mentioned is, Look, there's a reason why
Joe Berry's gone, Jeff Heffley is in. If you just
watch them in just a preseason out, they're already pressing
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wide receivers to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
They've become a four man front.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
You're not gonna see Rashaun Gary dropping in the coverage,
Preston Smith dropping it. They're a four man front. They're
gonna get after the quarterback. They're gonna press the receivers.
And there's a reason they signed Xavier mckinneon free agency.
They want to rob the middle of the field. Remember
these all these guys in Green Bay, they all came
out of San Francisco, where all they do is attack
the middle of the field. Green Bay wants to take
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the middle of the field away from teams like San
Francisco with all those in cuts to Kittle and Iu
that we've seen in Deebo over the years. Like, they
want to rob the middle of the field and make
it difficult on you, make you play outside the numbers.
I think Hefley's going to make a difference. I don't
disagree with what Matt Lafleur said the other day when
you know it makes some puke when people start talking
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about a number one wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Look, they're all being developed at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Romeo Dobbs, Jayden ree Wis Watson, they're all being developed young.
But maybe eventually one of these guys becomes the next
Davonte where Okay, it's fourth down, we need to play.
We know where we're going. Or maybe it's red zone.
You got to score to win. We're going here. I
don't know which guy that could be, but sometimes guys
just emerge from the pack over a period of time
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and the quarterback falls in love with them.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Brian Baldinger thirteen NFL seasons. You know J McK and
I have had a disagreement. We picked a surprise team
to make the playoffs. I pick Washington, and his concern
is everybody's new, the owner, the GM, the coach. And
I said, I've been part of companies where everybody's new
and there's a reason because the last guys weren't very good.
New is fine? This is I mean, Houston had everybody
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new except the owner, the energy, the juice, new brings
in a building. What do you make of Washing? I
like the fact that they just they upgraded. It's more collaborative,
less authoritative. What do you make of Washington having basically
including the owner everybody he new.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, I think the owner is going to be good
for this organization. I saw him on the sidelines during
that Jets Washington scrimmage. I mean, I think players were
meeting Josh Howers for the first time. But there's a
reason Magic Johnson's in the building, Like they just want
winners there. And you know, dan Quinn has got a
new energy. I think they've got a lot of good
assistant coaches there. They've upgraded the talent around him. I
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just don't think they're ready to take over Dallas yet,
or to take over Philadelphia. I think they'll be highly
much more competitive, but they've still got you know, he's
still got a rookie quarterback you're breaking in. I don't
think the skilled positions at receiver and tight end or
elite by any stretch at this point. And I don't
know who's playing left tackle for him. It's good to
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know if you're playing a rookie tackle or a rookie quarterback,
who your left tackle is going.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
To be and is he any good?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Like there's question marks about this offense that still remained
to be filled at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, Brian, it's always a pleasure to have you go online.
Baldy's breakdown there fantastic, we all get smarter. Congrats and
all your success and I love your work. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Thanks for having me, Colin, you bet anytime.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Brian Linger, Yeah, NFL Network does a really good job
the Bownick stuff. I mean, he just this is a
guy that's played center, guard, tackle, He knows the offensive line,
he knows the coaches. Really good stuff that Washington. Now,
Brian's got me a little concerned.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I do like how you bring on some guests that
kind of reinforce your points.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well on smart people, and smart people usually agree with me.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh that's what okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
The bow Knicks love Colin. You gotta be honest, like
it's exciting. Sure, are we going a little overboard here?
Like do you want to know the breaks?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Just the fact that pff I had Collinsworth on yesterday.
I think he owns that thing, right, The fact that
pff has like Denver's got the worst roster. Just the
receiving corps, Marvin Mims, Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, Troy Franklin
good tight ends at a solid backfield, Sean Payton good
left tackle. How is that the I don't get Now,
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they need an edge rusher. Their the defense will be
okay at best.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But Dan can't do fifty million things. Like they don't
have that much of a defense. Let's just remember nobody
shows anything in the preseason defensively.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's the most vanilla schemes.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think either Sean and bow are showing everything?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
No, but I'm sure the defenses are like, oh my gosh,
this is easy. Look at this dink and dunk. I mean,
you could probably show up a preseason game it complete past. No.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I couldn't. No, I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I have more faith in you than you do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No as a quarterback. No, it was terrible. All right,
So we also have Diana Russini and Joel Klatt are
joining us today. So we got a good one on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
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Speaker 1 (20:55):
All Right, a lot of things going. I already made
my five Bowl predictions. Throw it out there before I
take a brief respit. It energized for the fall. Here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Turn on the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let's start with Drake may Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He was really on the struggle bus heading into the
preseason game last weekend, but.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Then he showed well.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Patriots fans were all of a sudden excited for a
guy who looked incompetent in practice. Gerond Mao spoke highly
of May this week at camp, but also assured the
media that a decision on the week one starter has
not yet been made.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
This guy comes in early, leaves late every day. He's
one of those type of guys, and he's done a
great job.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
But I would also say the coaches have done a
good job, you know, meeting with them one on one,
making sure that he's comfortable in the steam.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
But he's absolutely getting better.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
We still don't know right now, and we have another
preseason game and then a week after that when I know,
I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Let me throw this out there, Ryan J. Mac, if
you know you're not going to be great, Buffalo's better, Jets,
better Miami, They have better personnel, and Carson Beck's the
number one pick next year, don't you want to know
if the kid can play? No, I'm seriously, it'd be
different if next year was a horrible quarterback draft, or
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you were good enough to win nine, ten to eleven
games this roster in that division. Aaron Tua Josh Allen.
Why not just play him?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
What if you saved him for the second half of
the season, that's not terrible, but I'm saying I'm playing him. Yeah,
remember Jordan Love waited three years, showed up. The first
half of you had was a train wreck, but you
had Aaron Rodgers, so you didn't need him replay. You
gotta get quarterbacks figured out because since Brady left, it's
been Mac Jones, that Bailey Zappi, Cam Newton. It's like
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but I guess the point about Love is he waited.
He wasn't ready, and he waited three well, remember and
still looked terrible for off season.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Okay, but this was the third pick. There are a
lot of years Drake may could have. Arguably it had
been a one or a two. I mean he was
only a three because it was a great quarterback class.
So my take is, if you're gonna be bad, you
don't know if he can play and next year and
you're in the running for next year star quarterback, I
want to see eight to ten stars. And here's the thing.
You could say, well, we'll play him late in the year,
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but by that time you could have a depleted old line.
Are you better just to play him with a full
set of healthy players because they're pretty young offensively. They
went heavy in the draft offense, and just figure out
can the dude play? Can he play? So?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Week one Patriots at Bengals, No, there's a lot of loss.
I'm not tossing Drake Day out there against lou Annomruno,
who has noting to scheme up some really good defensive stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I know the Bengals d wasn't great last year.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, first of all, you look at their schedule. When
do they play the easy defenses?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, I would say November December, when the season shot.
Coming out of the bye week, you get a terrible
Arizona team, a Buffalo Bill's defense that I don't think
is very good, a Chargers defense we don't know, and
then the Bills again, and you get four games sample size.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's not enough.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
More game sample size. That doesn't tell me any.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You wanted to get killed against the Jets.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm not waiting down in Week fourteen to see if
my guy can play again. If I had a star quarterback,
he could sit. If next year's draft didn't have a
dominant number one quarterback, this team is a first second
or third pick in the draft, and I think the
Raiders have too much talent to not win four or five.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You'd probably want him a home game, some sort of
let him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, here, I look at this schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
A lot of away games.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Huh geez, feels like at Tennessee, said Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I would rather I'm looking at this schedule. Week nine's Tennessee.
That's a winnable game.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You don't toss him on the road.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I don't want him. I mean, listen, if you're
gonna do what you say is avoid the tough defenses,
then let's just take the Jets games out of it.
In week three and eight. Don't face the Jets, don't
let them get in his head.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I can't, can't do that.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
But by week nine, week nine on, it's the Titans,
it's the Bears, it's the cole Fit's Arizona. They had
a lot of teams there that you can compete with.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I'm pro ma.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think I'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Not in New England, It'll be good somewhere else. Next
story is one of the biggest criticisms Colin of Lamar
Jackson is he hasn't been successful yet in the playoffs.
He finally reached the AFC Championship last season, but it
was not great against Kansas City. When talking about the
best challengers to the Chiefs this up season, Julian Edelman
took a shot at the raiding MVP, saying, we need
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to see Lamar, who's been on a milk carton in
the playoffs and he's missing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
True, Oh, hadn't been good in the playoffs. Well, harsh
from your guy at the Well, it's not high guy,
he's Fox guy, Patriot guy. No, I think he I
think that's fair. I he has no I didn't understand
the offensive game plan, but I think it's fair. There
are guys that step up. Burrows a step up in
the playoffs. Guy Mahomes struggled all big chunks of the season.
(25:58):
He's a step up in the playoff guys, Dak what
was that against Green Bay? There are guys in the NFL.
You got Brady, You got the most focused Brady in
the playoffs. Matt Stafford, to me, has been an excellent
in LA. He's been excellent in big games like you
get two. Stafford's the focus Stafford big games. He's great.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
How about Brock Perty. You put his playoff stats. I
know it's a small sample size against Lamar's. And you
did the blind test.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Eleven yards passing this weekend.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It was a preseason game. Who cares.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, I thought you had told me earlier it was
vanilla defenses.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It is vanilla defenses.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And Perty's trying to you know, just I don't know
what he's trying to do through eleven yards, but I'm
not reading anything into that. He's gonna be fine, Lamar,
We'll see. The final story is all eyes on. Caleb
Williams very excited for his rookie season, but that also
can come with some criticism.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He recently spoke with.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Albert Rear about how he handles criticism, and Caleb revealed
that he keeps receipts. Caleb said he sees the criticism
and he uses it. He takes notes and saves screenshots
to use as the motivation. This is kind of Baker
Mayfield ish, as.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Long as you're not like a grudge holder. But I mean,
if that Aaron well, yeah, I mean Aaron, Yeah, that's different.
But I you know, everybody needs receipts. Michael Jordan had him,
that's fine, That's what you do with him. If they
motivate you, fine, If they make you prickly and difficult
to be around, then are not fine. There's layers to
still like the Kevin Durant receipts. I think Kevin Durant's
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much more playful than Aaron. I think Kevin Durant if
I saw Kevin Durant now in a restaurant, and I
mean they're all over Hollywood and he called me out,
he would do it with a smile. Maybe like it. Yeah,
Aaron would do it with a frown. Aaron would do it,
he would have a chip. I think Kevin would do
it with a smile. I find Kevin Durant. He's different
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than me. He's got different personality. I find him likable.
He really loves basketball. All his teammates, I mean people
that play with him speak coaches. Mark Fuza was telling me,
beautiful guy. So I you know, after a while, just
because your thin skin. On the internet, some people it
lands different and they don't like that criticism. Kevin wants
to fire back, but I would argue that he uses
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it as fuel. But it doesn't. It doesn't discombobulate his personality.
It doesn't get in his head. I think sometimes with
Aaron it gets in his head and he carries it
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Speaker 4 (28:29):
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Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, you're welcome. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
A lot of stuff going on. Diana Russini is at camp.
She'd got that new podcast with Chase Daniel very good
called Scoop City and they have some great Sean Payton sound.
They sat down with Sean. I always find this really interesting,
and we'd played this by multiple times yesterday. I just
always love this when you go ask like a coach, hey,
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when did you know in the evaluation process, like that
was your guy? And Sean Payton was saying yesterday they
had bow Nicks work out for them and after the
sixteenth throw, Sean Payton turned to George the GM and said,
we got our guy. That that's the guy, and it's yeah,
here it is. Here's Sean Payton on bow Nicks. When
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he decided we're going to go get him.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
What did you know it was the guy that you wanted?
No matter what the individual workout.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
After the meeting, we went on to the field and
about throw sixteen, I just said to George, this is
a guy. I'd say the single most important trait, besides
his processing, which is always hard to really measure, I'd say,
is his ability to throw.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
From a dirty pocket.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
You know, there's just a little bit of penetration and
he can kind of take that quick step yep and
be right on point.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And you know, it's funny in all fields. You know,
I've never worked in entertainment or music, but just in
all fields you can really see good and special. Now
it's hard to see average or kind of good. But
for this is good news for Denver fans. If it
only took sixteen throws, what does that tell you he's
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got It'd be one thing. If it like we took
two days. By the end of it, we liked him.
The faster or sooner you can see it, the greater
chance it is going to work. So if it takes
fifteen sixteen throws in a personal workout to go, yeah,
that's my guy. I mean, Sean Payton, he won with
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Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill, Drew Brees, I mean even with
Jamis Winston. He cleaned him up. So, I mean, this
is what Sean dies a further record last year. Go
look at Russell Wilson with Matt Hackett. Russell Wilson with Sean,
he cleaned up Russell Wilson. He got the best out him.
Denver's defense last year was brutal. The offense was okay,
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it was fine. So I mean the let you know,
it goes back to the American idol or the voice.
If it takes you like three notes to go, yeah,
that's special. You don't have to sit there in that
chair and listen and okay, all right, I'm not sure.
I mean great or really good at pops in any industry,
really fast like and the fact that it's sixteen throws,
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it's pretty good indication if you give them some support.
And I think Denver's receiving tight end running back groups
way better than people give it credit for. I think
it's gonna work.
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Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah it is Jay mack is saying I'm firing during
the break, But I was just thinking about this. Is
that a lot of people who watch sports because they're
not married yet, they don't have kids or huge professional careers.
A lot of sports viewers. I see this when I
go out on the town, young kids watching YouTube. A
lot of sports fans are thirteen years old to thirty two.
(32:49):
Now there's a lot of older people watching TV, but
there's a lot of young fans. Go to a college
football game. There's a lot of kids. They're watching YouTube,
they're on their devices, they've got time, they're not married,
they don't have big families, they don't maybe they have
a job, they don't have a you know, they're not
managing a law department like so. And these young kids
did not grow up with Notre Dame football dominating or
(33:13):
the Dallas Cowboys dominating. And I was saying, I don't
think in college football today there's a difference between Notre
Dame on TV and Oregon. I mean, if you're thirty
three years old, Oregon has been more consistently good than
Notre Dame, and Oregon's fun in the uniforms and flashy.
I don't think Notre Dame has any advantage over Oregon
for TV ratings. I think you put Oregon on, it
feels big. Oregon's playing a football game. I think Oregon
(33:36):
Ohio State's going to get the same number Notre Dame
Ohio State. Now Ohio State maybe even bigger than Oregon
because they've been great for thirty years. I mean, they're
almost never bad, and if they are, the coach gets
fired very I mean John Cooper got fired. He beat
everybody a button Michigan. I mean they just so I
don't think in college I think, you know, if Alabama
went into the tank, Oregon won a national championship. I
(33:58):
think a lot of sports fans are young, and Oregon's
just been good for twenty years. And I also think
in the NFL, we always talk about Dallas as America's team.
I kind of monitor what I talk about. I talked
about the Cowboys less last year than I ever had.
I didn't talk I know you think I did. No,
I didn't. I talk more about the Kansas City Chiefs
(34:21):
right now. If Kansas City, if you're a young sports fan,
that's America's team, it's not. I mean Buffalo for the
next ten years, last five, they've been good, next ten
with Josh Allen. So it's funny. I look at the
Cowboys America's team, and I'm like, I don't know, I
don't really if you're under forty, are they I mean,
(34:42):
if you tell me Mahomes is playing, I just know
that gets me to a TV me personally, and I'm
I got gray hair. But the two or three teams
that get me to a TVO is if the Niners
are playing again, the Niners, I mean Montana, Steve Young,
Kaepernick got to a super Bowl. Now it's Brock Perdy, Garoppolo.
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They're always good. I feel like Denver West, the Niners
are the biggest sports brand. I really do. If you
go to an NFL stadium Denver West and the Niners
are in it, even if it's a road game, it's
half Niner fans. The Niners are the Yankees of the
East Coast, Niner hats everywhere. Niners have been so successful
so long. But it is interesting. I think the days
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of Dallas being America's team, I don't feel like it.
I did think there was a time from Staubach to
Danny White, you know, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo was popular.
I thought there was a clear, clear sense that was
an America's team. Pittsburgh used to be a huge TV
draw watching this offense. I pass over the Steelers game.
(35:48):
If you gave me Steelers and nine other teams, I
take the nine other teams. They're just not that fun
to watch. And now I can get them. I can
get stuff on Fubo. I can get stuff on the networks.
I can get it on Amazon, I can get it
on now Netflix. I'm not just tied tether to three networks.
I don't feel like Pittsburgh feels as big as it's
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ever looked. They've been boring offensively for seven years. Consumers
now are less loyal. They move off stuff. I noticed
that I do, and I'm older, So what do you
think young consumers do? They're not loyal at all. But
I've said this. I I mean, if there's an NFL
for me personally, who gets me to a TV? Now?
(36:28):
I do this for a living. But Kansas City number
one gets me to a TV. San Francisco number two
gets me to a TV. If Caleb Williams is as
good as I think, Green Bay gets me to a TV.
They're always good at quarterback. Pittsburgh doesn't anymore. I can
gloss over a Steeler game. I know what it looks like.
They have to win with defense. I don't think. I
don't think this America's team. I'm gonna go upstairs to
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a guy that does this in research. I'm sure they're
still popular, but if you're under forty Dallas doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
But if you're under forty, you're probably not watching TV anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Well, no, everybody's watching the NFL. I'm just talking NFL.
Everybody's watching the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I think two things are played.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
If you go to any stadium, the Pittsburgh Steelers wherever
they're playing, they travel as well as any.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, they don't travel as well anymore as a nine Ers.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Well still, well maybe not the Niners. And there's also anyone.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
There's also much more money in San Francisco because of tech. Yeah,
so San Francisco is got those fans, got a lot
of money, and they tryed.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
In the eighties, they were good in the nineties, the
Kaepernick run. They've been pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
For forty years.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I just I don't feel the Cowboys are America's team.
I mean, you can call them whenever you want. I'll
give you an example. The Celtics go to the NBA Finals.
The ratings were lousy. Yeah, I mean, I thought the
Celtics were the second biggest brand. The minute the Knicks
got interesting, it moved the needle. I would argue the
Knicks moved the needle this year more than the celticause
(37:51):
they haven't been good in forever. I mean, I mean
the Lakers. It's really Lebron, but if Lebron didn't play
for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Are weird. They have a massive social media.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They're more into the stars than the team.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yes, right, But when it comes to the NFL, if
you just want to look at the hardcore data, the
Dallas Cowboys in primetime blow away anybody else. Just the
way Caitlin Clark right now, which she's doing the WNBA,
that's pretty much about Cowboys regular scenes.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
No way, no way, Caitlin Clark is won a one.
The Cowboys are not the only interesting NFLA.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, that's different from numbers.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
If you look at the ratings, the Cowboys every year
on first of all, are totally dominant.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That's why they're in the four pm window all the
time and.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Prime CRUs on the most Sunday night games this year.
It's not as much Dallas, who is the NFL putting
on TV early Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
They also got to give it to the Monday night crew.
They got to give them a bone and get the Cowboys.
We get the Cowboys a lot Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
You're saying that, like when Dallas is on, the ratings
are huge, but when the Packers are on, they shrink.
It's the NFL. The Sunday game gets massive numbers for everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Right, you know, but it's like, what, let's just you know,
fifteen million. Let's just hypothetically say for a Packers was
there drawn twenty.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
No, GAP's not that big anymore. I don't think the
GAP's that big anymore. They if they may be, you know,
but again, to be called America's team is different than
you know, like Caitlin Clark is the the lead. Not
even Connor McGregor pay per views, nobody else was close.
That's different. I mean, you can see what O'tawni's doing
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to Dodger road attendance, Like six thousand Dodger fans in
every road game. Yes, that's o Tony. That was a
rod with the Yankees. He'd fill up the stadium on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You say the gap has been cot I.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Think there's like seven NFL teams that just get numbered.
Philadelphia gets numbers, Buffalo now gets numbers, Kansas City, Green Bay,
San Francisco. I don't think the gap with Dallas is
I'm just telling you. I watched Dallas now because I
half knew, not because I want to. I turned the
Cowboys on because I know they're popular. It's like the
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Niners Green Bay. I watched those games out of a
responsibility to my employers, who I want to watch, not
Dallas would.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But if there is a draft among the TV networks
and like Fox got first pick, I'm almost certain it's
gonna be a Dallas Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And if I'm not saying they're unpopular, I'm saying when
this season is finished at the end of this year,
I'm gonna argue the Packers and the Niners and the Jets.
If the Jets are good have just as good at
numbers as the Cowboys. I think the gap is gone.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hour two first hour flew by live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for megan us part of your day. Jmak.
This is a very tasty time for us. This is
one of my favorite times of the year. Last couple
of breaks, little VK time and slowly move into college
(00:48):
football and your kids are back in school. Now, weather's
still good, still have some still have some time for
golf late summer, but damn we're We're only a couple
of weeks away from Labor Day weekend and that's now
NFL doesn't start with the Thursday after that. But this
(01:09):
is a really interesting time. And remember the NFL preseason's
only three games now, so we're for most teams, we're
a couple of games through it. And I do think
there's things. Tomorrow, I'll make my second to last predictions
on the NFL playoffs. I do think I have a
sense quarterbacks have played more this preseason than last, and
we have more good ones and they come in with
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much more experience. Bon Knicks, Michael Pennix, Jayden Daniels, Caleb.
I do feel I can get my arms around what
I'm watching. So I thought today my five bold predictions.
I can make easy ones. Josh Allen's going to be good.
Andy Reid will make the playoffs. No, I don't choose that.
(01:52):
I'm not looking to be perfect. I'm going to take
some bold predictions. Are you ready to go here? The
first one's kind of negative. I think Dennis Allen Saints
is the first coach to be let go. They've missed
the playoffs back to back years. The NFC South, Atlanta
and Carolina are undoubtedly better teams, no question, the Falcons
(02:14):
and the Panthers are much better teams. For the first
six games for Dennis Allen are against playoff teams from
last year. I just I don't see the juice offensively.
I think Dennis is the first coach to be let go.
Number two is I think Jayden Daniels Washington wins Offensive
Rookie of the Year. Now Caleb Williams has better weapons,
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So Jaden's gonna have to move. He's gonna have to run.
I think that's gonna play well. He's gonna he's gonna
feel like RG three did first year in Washington, his legs.
I don't think Caleb, with all those weapons will have
to move as much. His offensive coordinator, Cliff Kingsbury has
a reputation he's very good with mobile quarterbacks, and he
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was pounding the tables for jadaln Daniels Jaden Daniels. I
also think this is my opinion, the division is not
as good, So I think Jayden wins Offensive Rookie of
the Year. Number three is I think the Rams reach
may not win it, but I think they reach the
NFC Championship. I don't know if they can beat Detroit.
I don't know if they can beat Green Bay, Kyron Williams,
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Blake krum, Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup, Matt Stafford, Sean McVay.
That's a big time offense and they have given their
last two to three years all their draft capital up
front is defensive dudes. I They've been a top ten
scoring offense too the three year Stafford's been there. I
really like this team and they no noise, no nose.
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San Francisco, nothing but noise. Kyler Murray, he'll be some noise,
no noise, no expectations. I don't now. The hardest two
games of the year to win are a conference championship
in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying the Rams win
the conference championship. I think they get there. Number four,
I think Jordan Love wins the MVP first of all
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the last ten years, excuse me, the last ten starts.
Last year he was the best quarterback in football. Yep. Also,
I think there's voter fatigue with Lamar, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers,
you know, Mahomes winning MVP. We want a new story.
Media likes stories. He's fresh, he's fun. Also, I think
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they're stacked offensively with an offensive coach Josh Jacobs, Romeo Dobbs,
Jaden Reid, Luke Muskrave, Christian Watson. I think they have
and last year their offense at the end of the year,
it was like, WHOA, what have we got here? Young
quarterback generationally aligned with all his young receivers and tight
ends in alignment. I think this offense is magic this year.
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And finally, I think Dallas narrowly misses the playoffs. They
have the quietest lee talented running back room in my opinion,
in the league. And Dak Prescott when he has to
throw over forty times his eight and eighteen in his career,
and I think the NFC is better than it's been
the last two to three years, so the NFC is tougher.
He has no run game. If they don't sign CD Lamb,
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they're not only going to miss the playoffs, they may
not have the same coach by mid October. Hey, I've
got to sign CD Lamb. They were quiet and free agency.
I don't see a ton of depth, so I don't
think any of these are crazy. These are my bold predictions.
I'll put it out there. J Mack, what do you
(05:34):
make of it?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm I mean, the Jordan Love MVP caught me totally
flat footed, so I decided to let me go and
look up the odds. I mean, obviously Mahomes, Alan Stroud
Burrow are up there. That hurts, but Jordan Love is
right after. I'm stunned at that MVP of the league. Well,
hold on one thing that a lot of people didn't.
I started to read about some of these teams a
little more now, so you know the last five games
(05:57):
that Packers played, Aaron Rodgers was a monster, carrying the
team over one hundred and ten yards. I think every
game with him healthy and grinding out, it made.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Love's life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Jones is now gone.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Do you trust the new backfield in green Back? I
think that is that's crazy, but he has way better
odds than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Aaron Rodgers, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't think people realize how deep Green Bay's offensive
weapons are. I'm not joking. Go look at Dallas's receiving
corps and look at green Bay's. If you carried eight receivers,
it would be Ceedee Lamb and seven Packers. I'm not
joking when I.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Say that we on Brandon Cooks is good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Come on, and I've done on these guys, No way.
These guys are all free, They're all He's not cheap.
I'm telling you Green Bay's receiving tight end core. They're
not paying any of these guys for years. They are stacked.
Josh Jacob is an excellent running back, So you have.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Rams in the NFC Championship Game, likely against to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I think I think Allons bro well. Again, I don't know.
I didn't make that prediction. I think Jordan Love. Remember
MVPs don't usually win the Super Bowl. I don't know
if they have enough experience Green Bay to win the
Super Bowl, but I think it's going to be a
I think it's going to be a flex for Matt
Lafleur and Jordan Love. I think they're gonna they'll be
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the highest scoring team in the league. Now again, the Packers,
and I don't know why this is. The Packers always
disappoint me defensively. I don't know why they draft first
round defensive players, but I always feel like the Packers
squeeze every ounce of juice out of their offense and
always leave me wanting more with their defense. I don't
have an answer for it. They obviously draft and develop
very well. I want to bring on somebody. It's it's
(07:42):
one of my favorite guys on the internet. It's called
Baldy Breakdowns. Brian Baldinger played in the NFL for thirteen
years undrafted out of Duke, but he really teaches you
things on the Internet, and he really is intentional and
practical and I love it. Plus he's a duchy, so
you know he's a smart guy. They're not let guys
like me, and you know he knows what he's doing.
So here we go. NFL Networks, Brian Baldinger, So you
(08:05):
did a really interesting breakdown. It's just so thorough and
so smart on bow Nicks. And I hadn't heard a
lot of what you said. So as a as a
thirteen year offensive lineman, when you were with Dallas, you
played every position. Nobody knows old line like you. What
did you see with Bonicks? You love concern you fire away?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, I mean, I think it sort of personifies just
the playmaking and creativity that Sean Payton has. Like Bownicks
has good mobility. We saw it auver, we saw it
certainly at Oregon. He uses some of that mobility. You
saw the touchdown throw to Tim Patrick at the you know,
in the touchdown throw, where's the little boot drag action
that throw over the middle. I'm third and ten right there,
(08:47):
great throw to Tim Patrick. Well you've seen this mobility
right here. This a throw on the outside to Courtland Sutton,
like he extended the play, keeps his eyes down the field.
This is a great throw. It's a great throw right there.
On timing on that incut to Sutton. You know for
eighteen yards you're looking at this right here, this little
play action right there to Marvin mimes like he gets
the ball out of his hands fast. He knows this
(09:08):
is the touchdown last week to Tim Patrick off that
boot drag action.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I mean, Sean Payton is just.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Using play action screens screens away his movement. It's a
perfect marriage I think be seen between Sean Payton's creativity
and what bow Nick's is good at. And so right
now he's scheming guys open. It's not a lot of
difficult throws, but that's a good throw. On timing the
Sutton and any offense, that's a good throw.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So listen. The concern with Caleb, and it's maybe a
good concern to have. He's a little free wheeler and
a little bit of an ad liver. And I did
see this weekend. I'm like, first of all, it's like,
if you have a great singing voice, you probably sing
in the car, you sing in the shower. I wish
I had one. Sometimes it's a burden, though, when you
are so gifted that you just don't you know, you
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take off. Because it worked in high school, it worked
in college. Do you worry at all about Caleb when
you watch him that he's leaving before he has to?
Or or Baldy, is he leaving because he has to?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I think he's leaving more because he has to. We've
seen him stay in the pocket. He is excellent on
the move. He just he plays the game like that.
But I've known, God, I've known Caleb since he was
in Gonzaga High School and I've sat in a film
room when he was seventeen years old. He knew how
to attack every coverage, quarters, cover three, like he knew
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what a robber was in the middle of Like he
had all those skills when he was in high school.
He was working with Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan in
Quarterback Collective and then his arm is elite. So now
this kind of plays. They said, Well, he did this
at USC, you watch it every weekend at USC.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
He did it at Oklahoma. Now can he do it
at the NFL?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Well, you know, there's a whole bunch of defensive linement
in this league that want to plant him into somebody's
turf if he does that, but he is he is
very very talented doing that. You just hope that he
doesn't do it too often where he relies on that
to make his splash plays.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So Jade and Daniels, I'm just going to let you
break it down. I like him a lot. He's a
little spindly in thin. They don't have a great offensive line.
That always worries me, Whereas I think the Bear's old
line is a little undervalued. I think it's pretty good
at tackle. I think Washington's got some concerns in a
division with good pass rushers, with the Giants, with the Cowboys,
with the Eagles, I'm a little concerned about that. What
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is your baldy? What does the film say on Jade
and Daniels college and what you've seen.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Well, he is thin, but he's tall. He's tall and thin,
and he's very fast. But he throws that ball right
there to Terry McClaren was on the outside away from
the defenders who he could turn up. This throw was
obviously a check at the line of scrimmage that he saw.
When I'm around him, he's very very poised. I mean,
(11:58):
I was talking to him during the Jet scrimmage last week,
very very poised in what he's doing. I think you'll
see a lot of pistol formations, which is a good
formation with him. We saw it with Tua last year,
who was in the pistol formation more than any other quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
In this league.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
He can see the whole field when he's in a pistol,
but it bounces up the defense. You run it a
little bit better out of there, and then there'll be
a lot of quarterback runs for him. Like you saw there.
He throws a very good pass. Everybody you talk to,
including mclarn or Cliff Kingsbury or Dan Quinn.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
He's first in, he's last to leave. Like.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
He's a very committed employer right now of the Washington commanders,
and I think they need a lot more help around
him right now. I mean, I think there was a
reason why they were in the Brandon Ayu sweepstakes. They
need more help around him at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Brian Baldinger joining us thirteen years in the NFL, You know,
I think it's understood the Jets defense is good. Garrett Wilson,
Breeze Hall, Sauce Gardner, there are things I know will
be good. Aaron will be too if he gets protection. Brian,
this is what concerns me. Old offensive linemen don't play
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in the preseason. They just don't. And you've got two
old guys coming in, a rookie from Penn State Elijah
vera Tucker off injury. If the my take is man
San Francisco, that's a rough opener for that old line.
I do think their defense will carry them the first
two months. You tell me, as somebody that played every
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offensive line position for Dallas in your era, you played
in three of those preseason games. Old guys aren't doing that.
Do you worry about Aaron's protection and also off of surgery, Brian,
He's gonna throw that ball away. He's not gonna take hits.
Do you worry about that upfront protection for Aaron?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Well, not necessarily right now.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I mean, I've watched the scrimmage against Washington, the scrimmage
Carolina last week, those scrimmage the Giants tomorrow. They're getting
a lot of work in these one day scrim that
they're having. I think Tyron Smith, Morgan, Moses John Simpson
are gonna They're gonna start Week one against the forty
nine ers. I think that Oli Vera Tucker back Joe
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Tipman in the second year. You look at the depth
that they created. Last year was Look, last year was
a disaster, but if there is a blessing to it.
Carter Warren played, Wes Switzerer played. A lot of these
guys are now backups. Yeah, they got a lot of
time last year. If something happens to these front line guys,
you know, I mean, you've got a first round pick
now that's swinging at right tackle, left tackle. You've got
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some backups that have played.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
And know the system.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I think, Look, if you give this defense the lead
in the fourth quarter, they're gonna they're gonna be up
amongst the leaders in.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Takeaways in this league. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Uh, the ball is gonna have to come out. Aaron
Rodgers told me a couple of weeks ago, Colin, He said,
if we get a fourteen point lead, we're not losing
a game. We're gonna step on team's throats, like and
that's how he thinks. And so if you give this
defense a lead, they're gonna feast.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah. Finally, I just had my five bold NFL predictions.
I picked Jordan Love as MVP Green Bay over the
last two to three years, has drafted o line, wide
receiver and tight end. I mean there's no misses. Everybody hits.
I think they're gonna flex. I don't know about their defense.
(15:23):
I never do. But it felt like last year it
was Matt Lafleur's offense. You know, Aaron's gonna do some
of his own stuff. It felt like Matt's What do
you make when you broke down that film of Matt
Lafleur now calling the plays? It is his offense. What
does Matt Lafleur do If I'd never seen the Packers playing, say, Baldy,
what's Matt Lafleuur's offense with Jordan love.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, he plays a ton of formations. He's got a
lot of interchangeable parts. He never gets away from the
run game. He plays as many two tight end offensive
sets as anybody in this business. The key right now
is what you mentioned is, Look, there's a reason why
Joe Berry's gone, Jeff Heffley is in. If you just
watch them in just a preseason out, they're already pressing
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wide receivers to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
They've become a four man front.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
You're not gonna see Rashaun Gary dropping in the coverage,
Preston Smith dropping it. They're a four man front. They're
gonna get after the quarterback. They're gonna press the receivers.
And there's a reason they signed Xavier mckinneon free agency.
They want to rob the middle of the field. Remember
these all these guys in Green Bay, they all came
out of San Francisco, where all they do is attack
the middle of the field. Green Bay wants to take
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the middle of the field away from teams like San
Francisco with all those in cuts to Kittle and Iu
that we've seen in Deebo over the years. Like, they
want to rob the middle of the field and make
it difficult on you, make you play outside the numbers.
I think Hefley's going to make a difference. I don't
disagree with what Matt Lafleur said the other day when
you know it makes some puke when people start talking
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about a number one wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Look, they're all being developed at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Romeo Dobbs, Jayden ree Wis Watson, they're all being developed young.
But maybe eventually one of these guys becomes the next
Davonte where Okay, it's fourth down, we need to play.
We know where we're going. Or maybe it's red zone.
You got to score to win. We're going here. I
don't know which guy that could be, but sometimes guys
just emerge from the pack over a period of time
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and the quarterback falls in love with them.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Brian Baldinger thirteen NFL seasons. You know J McK and
I have had a disagreement. We picked a surprise team
to make the playoffs. I pick Washington, and his concern
is everybody's new, the owner, the GM, the coach. And
I said, I've been part of companies where everybody's new
and there's a reason because the last guys weren't very good.
New is fine? This is I mean, Houston had everybody
(17:43):
new except the owner, the energy, the juice, new brings
in a building. What do you make of Washing? I
like the fact that they just they upgraded. It's more collaborative,
less authoritative. What do you make of Washington having basically
including the owner everybody he new.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, I think the owner is going to be good
for this organization. I saw him on the sidelines during
that Jets Washington scrimmage. I mean, I think players were
meeting Josh Howers for the first time. But there's a
reason Magic Johnson's in the building, Like they just want
winners there. And you know, dan Quinn has got a
new energy. I think they've got a lot of good
assistant coaches there. They've upgraded the talent around him. I
(18:24):
just don't think they're ready to take over Dallas yet,
or to take over Philadelphia. I think they'll be highly
much more competitive, but they've still got you know, he's
still got a rookie quarterback you're breaking in. I don't
think the skilled positions at receiver and tight end or
elite by any stretch at this point. And I don't
know who's playing left tackle for him. It's good to
(18:45):
know if you're playing a rookie tackle or a rookie quarterback,
who your left tackle is going.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
To be and is he any good?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Like there's question marks about this offense that still remained
to be filled at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, Brian, it's always a pleasure to have you go online.
Baldy's breakdown there fantastic, we all get smarter. Congrats and
all your success and I love your work. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Thanks for having me, Colin, you bet anytime.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Brian Linger, Yeah, NFL Network does a really good job
the Bownick stuff. I mean, he just this is a
guy that's played center, guard, tackle, He knows the offensive line,
he knows the coaches. Really good stuff that Washington. Now,
Brian's got me a little concerned.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I do like how you bring on some guests that
kind of reinforce your points.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well on smart people, and smart people usually agree with me.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh that's what okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
The bow Knicks love Colin. You gotta be honest, like
it's exciting. Sure, are we going a little overboard here?
Like do you want to know the breaks?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Just the fact that pff I had Collinsworth on yesterday.
I think he owns that thing, right, The fact that
pff has like Denver's got the worst roster. Just the
receiving corps, Marvin Mims, Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, Troy Franklin
good tight ends at a solid backfield, Sean Payton good
left tackle. How is that the I don't get Now,
(20:04):
they need an edge rusher. Their the defense will be
okay at best.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But Dan can't do fifty million things. Like they don't
have that much of a defense. Let's just remember nobody
shows anything in the preseason defensively.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's the most vanilla schemes.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think either Sean and bow are showing everything?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
No, but I'm sure the defenses are like, oh my gosh,
this is easy. Look at this dink and dunk. I mean,
you could probably show up a preseason game it complete past. No.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I couldn't. No, I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I have more faith in you than you do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No as a quarterback. No, it was terrible. All right,
So we also have Diana Russini and Joel Klatt are
joining us today. So we got a good one on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
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Speaker 1 (20:55):
All Right, a lot of things going. I already made
my five Bowl predictions. Throw it out there before I
take a brief respit. It energized for the fall. Here's
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Speaker 2 (21:08):
Turn on the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let's start with Drake may Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He was really on the struggle bus heading into the
preseason game last weekend, but.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Then he showed well.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Patriots fans were all of a sudden excited for a
guy who looked incompetent in practice. Gerond Mao spoke highly
of May this week at camp, but also assured the
media that a decision on the week one starter has
not yet been made.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
This guy comes in early, leaves late every day. He's
one of those type of guys, and he's done a
great job.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
But I would also say the coaches have done a
good job, you know, meeting with them one on one,
making sure that he's comfortable in the steam.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
But he's absolutely getting better.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
We still don't know right now, and we have another
preseason game and then a week after that when I know,
I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Let me throw this out there, Ryan J. Mac, if
you know you're not going to be great, Buffalo's better, Jets,
better Miami, They have better personnel, and Carson Beck's the
number one pick next year, don't you want to know
if the kid can play? No, I'm seriously, it'd be
different if next year was a horrible quarterback draft, or
(22:13):
you were good enough to win nine, ten to eleven
games this roster in that division. Aaron Tua Josh Allen.
Why not just play him?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
What if you saved him for the second half of
the season, that's not terrible, but I'm saying I'm playing him. Yeah,
remember Jordan Love waited three years, showed up. The first
half of you had was a train wreck, but you
had Aaron Rodgers, so you didn't need him replay. You
gotta get quarterbacks figured out because since Brady left, it's
been Mac Jones, that Bailey Zappi, Cam Newton. It's like
(22:46):
but I guess the point about Love is he waited.
He wasn't ready, and he waited three well, remember and
still looked terrible for off season.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Okay, but this was the third pick. There are a
lot of years Drake may could have. Arguably it had
been a one or a two. I mean he was
only a three because it was a great quarterback class.
So my take is, if you're gonna be bad, you
don't know if he can play and next year and
you're in the running for next year star quarterback, I
want to see eight to ten stars. And here's the thing.
You could say, well, we'll play him late in the year,
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but by that time you could have a depleted old line.
Are you better just to play him with a full
set of healthy players because they're pretty young offensively. They
went heavy in the draft offense, and just figure out
can the dude play? Can he play? So?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Week one Patriots at Bengals, No, there's a lot of loss.
I'm not tossing Drake Day out there against lou Annomruno,
who has noting to scheme up some really good defensive stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I know the Bengals d wasn't great last year.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, first of all, you look at their schedule. When
do they play the easy defenses?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, I would say November December, when the season shot.
Coming out of the bye week, you get a terrible
Arizona team, a Buffalo Bill's defense that I don't think
is very good, a Chargers defense we don't know, and
then the Bills again, and you get four games sample size.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's not enough.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
More game sample size. That doesn't tell me any.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You wanted to get killed against the Jets.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm not waiting down in Week fourteen to see if
my guy can play again. If I had a star quarterback,
he could sit. If next year's draft didn't have a
dominant number one quarterback, this team is a first second
or third pick in the draft, and I think the
Raiders have too much talent to not win four or five.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You'd probably want him a home game, some sort of
let him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, here, I look at this schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
A lot of away games.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Huh geez, feels like at Tennessee, said Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I would rather I'm looking at this schedule. Week nine's Tennessee.
That's a winnable game.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You don't toss him on the road.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I don't want him. I mean, listen, if you're
gonna do what you say is avoid the tough defenses,
then let's just take the Jets games out of it.
In week three and eight. Don't face the Jets, don't
let them get in his head.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I can't, can't do that.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
But by week nine, week nine on, it's the Titans,
it's the Bears, it's the cole Fit's Arizona. They had
a lot of teams there that you can compete with.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I'm pro ma.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think I'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Not in New England, It'll be good somewhere else. Next
story is one of the biggest criticisms Colin of Lamar
Jackson is he hasn't been successful yet in the playoffs.
He finally reached the AFC Championship last season, but it
was not great against Kansas City. When talking about the
best challengers to the Chiefs this up season, Julian Edelman
took a shot at the raiding MVP, saying, we need
(25:29):
to see Lamar, who's been on a milk carton in
the playoffs and he's missing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
True, Oh, hadn't been good in the playoffs. Well, harsh
from your guy at the Well, it's not high guy,
he's Fox guy, Patriot guy. No, I think he I
think that's fair. I he has no I didn't understand
the offensive game plan, but I think it's fair. There
are guys that step up. Burrows a step up in
the playoffs. Guy Mahomes struggled all big chunks of the season.
(25:58):
He's a step up in the playoff guys, Dak what
was that against Green Bay? There are guys in the NFL.
You got Brady, You got the most focused Brady in
the playoffs. Matt Stafford, to me, has been an excellent
in LA. He's been excellent in big games like you
get two. Stafford's the focus Stafford big games. He's great.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
How about Brock Perty. You put his playoff stats. I
know it's a small sample size against Lamar's. And you
did the blind test.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Eleven yards passing this weekend.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It was a preseason game. Who cares.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, I thought you had told me earlier it was
vanilla defenses.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It is vanilla defenses.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And Perty's trying to you know, just I don't know
what he's trying to do through eleven yards, but I'm
not reading anything into that. He's gonna be fine, Lamar,
We'll see. The final story is all eyes on. Caleb
Williams very excited for his rookie season, but that also
can come with some criticism.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He recently spoke with.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Albert Rear about how he handles criticism, and Caleb revealed
that he keeps receipts. Caleb said he sees the criticism
and he uses it. He takes notes and saves screenshots
to use as the motivation. This is kind of Baker
Mayfield ish, as.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Long as you're not like a grudge holder. But I mean,
if that Aaron well, yeah, I mean Aaron, Yeah, that's different.
But I you know, everybody needs receipts. Michael Jordan had him,
that's fine, That's what you do with him. If they
motivate you, fine, If they make you prickly and difficult
to be around, then are not fine. There's layers to
still like the Kevin Durant receipts. I think Kevin Durant's
(27:29):
much more playful than Aaron. I think Kevin Durant if
I saw Kevin Durant now in a restaurant, and I
mean they're all over Hollywood and he called me out,
he would do it with a smile. Maybe like it. Yeah,
Aaron would do it with a frown. Aaron would do it,
he would have a chip. I think Kevin would do
it with a smile. I find Kevin Durant. He's different
(27:50):
than me. He's got different personality. I find him likable.
He really loves basketball. All his teammates, I mean people
that play with him speak coaches. Mark Fuza was telling me,
beautiful guy. So I you know, after a while, just
because your thin skin. On the internet, some people it
lands different and they don't like that criticism. Kevin wants
to fire back, but I would argue that he uses
(28:12):
it as fuel. But it doesn't. It doesn't discombobulate his personality.
It doesn't get in his head. I think sometimes with
Aaron it gets in his head and he carries it
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Speaker 4 (28:29):
Nice ad read there.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, you're welcome. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
A lot of stuff going on. Diana Russini is at camp.
She'd got that new podcast with Chase Daniel very good
called Scoop City and they have some great Sean Payton sound.
They sat down with Sean. I always find this really interesting,
and we'd played this by multiple times yesterday. I just
always love this when you go ask like a coach, hey,
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when did you know in the evaluation process, like that
was your guy? And Sean Payton was saying yesterday they
had bow Nicks work out for them and after the
sixteenth throw, Sean Payton turned to George the GM and said,
we got our guy. That that's the guy, and it's yeah,
here it is. Here's Sean Payton on bow Nicks. When
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he decided we're going to go get him.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
What did you know it was the guy that you wanted?
No matter what the individual workout.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
After the meeting, we went on to the field and
about throw sixteen, I just said to George, this is
a guy. I'd say the single most important trait, besides
his processing, which is always hard to really measure, I'd say,
is his ability to throw.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
From a dirty pocket.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
You know, there's just a little bit of penetration and
he can kind of take that quick step yep and
be right on point.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And you know, it's funny in all fields. You know,
I've never worked in entertainment or music, but just in
all fields you can really see good and special. Now
it's hard to see average or kind of good. But
for this is good news for Denver fans. If it
only took sixteen throws, what does that tell you he's
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got It'd be one thing. If it like we took
two days. By the end of it, we liked him.
The faster or sooner you can see it, the greater
chance it is going to work. So if it takes
fifteen sixteen throws in a personal workout to go, yeah,
that's my guy. I mean, Sean Payton, he won with
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Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill, Drew Brees, I mean even with
Jamis Winston. He cleaned him up. So, I mean, this
is what Sean dies a further record last year. Go
look at Russell Wilson with Matt Hackett. Russell Wilson with Sean,
he cleaned up Russell Wilson. He got the best out him.
Denver's defense last year was brutal. The offense was okay,
(30:58):
it was fine. So I mean the let you know,
it goes back to the American idol or the voice.
If it takes you like three notes to go, yeah,
that's special. You don't have to sit there in that
chair and listen and okay, all right, I'm not sure.
I mean great or really good at pops in any industry,
really fast like and the fact that it's sixteen throws,
(31:22):
it's pretty good indication if you give them some support.
And I think Denver's receiving tight end running back groups
way better than people give it credit for. I think
it's gonna work.
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Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah it is Jay mack is saying I'm firing during
the break, But I was just thinking about this. Is
that a lot of people who watch sports because they're
not married yet, they don't have kids or huge professional careers.
A lot of sports viewers. I see this when I
go out on the town, young kids watching YouTube. A
lot of sports fans are thirteen years old to thirty two.
(32:49):
Now there's a lot of older people watching TV, but
there's a lot of young fans. Go to a college
football game. There's a lot of kids. They're watching YouTube,
they're on their devices, they've got time, they're not married,
they don't have big families, they don't maybe they have
a job, they don't have a you know, they're not
managing a law department like so. And these young kids
did not grow up with Notre Dame football dominating or
(33:13):
the Dallas Cowboys dominating. And I was saying, I don't
think in college football today there's a difference between Notre
Dame on TV and Oregon. I mean, if you're thirty
three years old, Oregon has been more consistently good than
Notre Dame, and Oregon's fun in the uniforms and flashy.
I don't think Notre Dame has any advantage over Oregon
for TV ratings. I think you put Oregon on, it
feels big. Oregon's playing a football game. I think Oregon
(33:36):
Ohio State's going to get the same number Notre Dame
Ohio State. Now Ohio State maybe even bigger than Oregon
because they've been great for thirty years. I mean, they're
almost never bad, and if they are, the coach gets
fired very I mean John Cooper got fired. He beat
everybody a button Michigan. I mean they just so I
don't think in college I think, you know, if Alabama
went into the tank, Oregon won a national championship. I
(33:58):
think a lot of sports fans are young, and Oregon's
just been good for twenty years. And I also think
in the NFL, we always talk about Dallas as America's team.
I kind of monitor what I talk about. I talked
about the Cowboys less last year than I ever had.
I didn't talk I know you think I did. No,
I didn't. I talk more about the Kansas City Chiefs
(34:21):
right now. If Kansas City, if you're a young sports fan,
that's America's team, it's not. I mean Buffalo for the
next ten years, last five, they've been good, next ten
with Josh Allen. So it's funny. I look at the
Cowboys America's team, and I'm like, I don't know, I
don't really if you're under forty, are they I mean,
(34:42):
if you tell me Mahomes is playing, I just know
that gets me to a TV me personally, and I'm
I got gray hair. But the two or three teams
that get me to a TVO is if the Niners
are playing again, the Niners, I mean Montana, Steve Young,
Kaepernick got to a super Bowl. Now it's Brock Perdy, Garoppolo.
(35:03):
They're always good. I feel like Denver West, the Niners
are the biggest sports brand. I really do. If you
go to an NFL stadium Denver West and the Niners
are in it, even if it's a road game, it's
half Niner fans. The Niners are the Yankees of the
East Coast, Niner hats everywhere. Niners have been so successful
so long. But it is interesting. I think the days
(35:25):
of Dallas being America's team, I don't feel like it.
I did think there was a time from Staubach to
Danny White, you know, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo was popular.
I thought there was a clear, clear sense that was
an America's team. Pittsburgh used to be a huge TV
draw watching this offense. I pass over the Steelers game.
(35:48):
If you gave me Steelers and nine other teams, I
take the nine other teams. They're just not that fun
to watch. And now I can get them. I can
get stuff on Fubo. I can get stuff on the networks.
I can get it on Amazon, I can get it
on now Netflix. I'm not just tied tether to three networks.
I don't feel like Pittsburgh feels as big as it's
(36:08):
ever looked. They've been boring offensively for seven years. Consumers
now are less loyal. They move off stuff. I noticed
that I do, and I'm older, So what do you
think young consumers do? They're not loyal at all. But
I've said this. I I mean, if there's an NFL
for me personally, who gets me to a TV? Now?
(36:28):
I do this for a living. But Kansas City number
one gets me to a TV. San Francisco number two
gets me to a TV. If Caleb Williams is as
good as I think, Green Bay gets me to a TV.
They're always good at quarterback. Pittsburgh doesn't anymore. I can
gloss over a Steeler game. I know what it looks like.
They have to win with defense. I don't think. I
don't think this America's team. I'm gonna go upstairs to
(36:50):
a guy that does this in research. I'm sure they're
still popular, but if you're under forty Dallas doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
But if you're under forty, you're probably not watching TV anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Well, no, everybody's watching the NFL. I'm just talking NFL.
Everybody's watching the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I think two things are played.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
If you go to any stadium, the Pittsburgh Steelers wherever
they're playing, they travel as well as any.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, they don't travel as well anymore as a nine Ers.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Well still, well maybe not the Niners. And there's also anyone.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
There's also much more money in San Francisco because of tech. Yeah,
so San Francisco is got those fans, got a lot
of money, and they tryed.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
In the eighties, they were good in the nineties, the
Kaepernick run. They've been pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
For forty years.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I just I don't feel the Cowboys are America's team.
I mean, you can call them whenever you want. I'll
give you an example. The Celtics go to the NBA Finals.
The ratings were lousy. Yeah, I mean, I thought the
Celtics were the second biggest brand. The minute the Knicks
got interesting, it moved the needle. I would argue the
Knicks moved the needle this year more than the celticause
(37:51):
they haven't been good in forever. I mean, I mean
the Lakers. It's really Lebron, but if Lebron didn't play
for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Are weird. They have a massive social media.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They're more into the stars than the team.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yes, right, But when it comes to the NFL, if
you just want to look at the hardcore data, the
Dallas Cowboys in primetime blow away anybody else. Just the
way Caitlin Clark right now, which she's doing the WNBA,
that's pretty much about Cowboys regular scenes.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
No way, no way, Caitlin Clark is won a one.
The Cowboys are not the only interesting NFLA.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, that's different from numbers.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
If you look at the ratings, the Cowboys every year
on first of all, are totally dominant.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That's why they're in the four pm window all the
time and.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Prime CRUs on the most Sunday night games this year.
It's not as much Dallas, who is the NFL putting
on TV early Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
They also got to give it to the Monday night crew.
They got to give them a bone and get the Cowboys.
We get the Cowboys a lot Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
You're saying that, like when Dallas is on, the ratings
are huge, but when the Packers are on, they shrink.
It's the NFL. The Sunday game gets massive numbers for everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Right, you know, but it's like, what, let's just you know,
fifteen million. Let's just hypothetically say for a Packers was
there drawn twenty.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
No, GAP's not that big anymore. I don't think the
GAP's that big anymore. They if they may be, you know,
but again, to be called America's team is different than
you know, like Caitlin Clark is the the lead. Not
even Connor McGregor pay per views, nobody else was close.
That's different. I mean, you can see what O'tawni's doing
(39:23):
to Dodger road attendance, Like six thousand Dodger fans in
every road game. Yes, that's o Tony. That was a
rod with the Yankees. He'd fill up the stadium on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You say the gap has been cot I.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Think there's like seven NFL teams that just get numbered.
Philadelphia gets numbers, Buffalo now gets numbers, Kansas City, Green Bay,
San Francisco. I don't think the gap with Dallas is
I'm just telling you. I watched Dallas now because I
half knew, not because I want to. I turned the
Cowboys on because I know they're popular. It's like the
(39:53):
Niners Green Bay. I watched those games out of a
responsibility to my employers, who I want to watch, not
Dallas would.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But if there is a draft among the TV networks
and like Fox got first pick, I'm almost certain it's
gonna be a Dallas Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And if I'm not saying they're unpopular, I'm saying when
this season is finished at the end of this year,
I'm gonna argue the Packers and the Niners and the Jets.
If the Jets are good have just as good at
numbers as the Cowboys. I think the gap is gone.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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