August 23, 2024 • 41 mins
Jason lists 7 new teams who will make the playoffs this year in the NFL
Thoughts and predictions for the start of the college football season
Guest: Yogi Roth
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio our number two. Here
we Go The Herd on a Friday. Jason McIntyre in
for Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Just talking to our next guest. He'll be here in
five minutes, Jogi Roth. If you like football, you know
you're gonna love it. Obviously, he's super plugged in. And
you know, during our morning meeting, we're going through a
lot of football stuff. And I saw a tweet yesterday
and I sent it to the staff that each of
the last three years in the NFL, seven new playoff
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teams have emerged, which is crazy because you start going
through the standings and you're like, all right, I can
find one, two, Okay, I got three, seven, So we're
gonna try it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I'm gonna try to give you seven new playoff teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go. Let's get started. This is an easy one.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
There is one layoff, and that's the Cincinnati Bengals. They
were last place last year, mostly because Burrow got injured.
Jake Browning comes in, who was more than serviceable. Browning
was pretty good, very competitive, and they narrowly missed the playoffs.
But if Burrow's healthy, once they get Chase in the building.
Hot take here, Chase misses the opener against the Patriots.
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Think they can afford to win that game without him,
But I think he's really gonna angle for all that money.
But the Bengals are getting in the playoffs now. I
don't know if you want me to force teams out,
but I have the Bengals in the playoffs. Next up,
the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Come on. They should not be a hot take at all.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The Jets are getting in the playoffs for sure this
season thanks to healthy Aaron Rodgers, rebuilt off line, and
the defense is still gonna be good. This Reddick thing
continues to be massively embarrassing. You know, I'll just keep
the out easy. I have them replacing the Miami Dolphins.
The Dolphins, of course, led the division much of last season,
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right and then the Dolphins Crater at the end, it
gets smashed in Kansas City. I think the Jets simply
replace the Dolphins. Miami's schedule is brutal, The Jets is easy.
Jets are in next up, and I've waffle back and forth.
You know, I love it the Chargers with Harbaugh and Herbert.
I do have some concerns about the skill position players,
but seeing the news that Bosa and Derwin James are
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very very likely to play Week one, I mean, they've
been on a milk cart in all preseason and nobody's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Talking about it.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's like, dude, without Bosa, what's this defense? And Herbert
now out of the boot. So I like the Chargers
bouncing back getting in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The division has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Obviously, the division is very rotten with the Broncos and Raiders.
I am gonna shove the Steelers out, But if you
listen at the beginning of the show, that's no surprise.
Next playoff team in somewhat influenced by Chris de Barr
Felika Last Hour, I got the Jacksonville Jaguars sneaking into
the playoffs. You had to like the move of Brian
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Thomas and the draft kid out of LSU. He's got
a lot of talent. I just want to remind people
the Jags started last season eight and three like they
were look and the year prior they losing the playoffs
to the Chiefs, and then they started eight and three
and they're like, oh damn, Jags are for real. And
then you know, Trevor Lawrence had the high ankles praying.
It kind of fell apart and they cratered. But I
think this team gets back in the division sneaky good
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with the Texans all of a sudden being very good.
So I got the Jags in the playoffs. Next up,
let's go to the NFC. I got the Falcons in
That feels like a layup. Nobody believes the Bucks can
duplicate what they did last year with the Dave Canalis,
Baker Mayfield combo on offense. So I have the Falcons
leaping up thanks to not Michael Pennix but Kirk Cousins.
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They're spending on defense here recently with Simmons, and they
ed Rusher Jude on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So I like Atlanta. I don't love this team like
Cowherd does.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He seems to think they're in the mix to win,
like twelve thirteen games be the number one overall seed.
I don't see that. Raheem Morris little too conservative of
a head coach for my liking. But I do think
the Falcons get into the playoffs this next one. I'm
a little nervous about not gonna lie Seattle Seahawks. Listen,
when you gotta get seven new teams, you're gonna have
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some randoms.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I have Seattle Gideon.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I'm a buye on Mike McDonald, the great defensive coordinator
who wasn't Michigan and then was in Baltimore. I don't
love Geno Smith, but I kind of like the kid Grubb,
the OC from Washington. I think they're gonna look a
little different, and I do believe this defense will rattle
some people. I think they're gonna destroy Bo Nicks. In
the opener, I know our next guest knows bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think they shut Nicks and Peyton down and Seattle
served notice that they're gonna be a playoff team. And
my final new playoff team, final new team, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Get them in there.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Caleb Williams, I'm feeling it, you know, a lot of
it is just based off vibes and good energy. Some
of the underlying metrics may scare some people. I know
there was a couple splash plays from Caleb over the weekend.
I do want to remind people go look at the
other drives. Bears couldn't do anything. So there is a
world where this team's like what's going on? Iber flues
gets fired, YadA, YadA, YadA. But I'm betting on Dj
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Moore Roma Dunze. I like Keenan Allen when he's healthy.
I like the running back room offensive line as long
as Caleb can say I'm gonna win from the pocket
and only do backyard football when it's an emergency. I
got the Bears getting in the playoffs, so those are
my new seven playoff teams. And with that, let's welcome
in our guest, Yogi Roth Big Ten Network. He knows
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college football as well as anybody could see again, buddy, Yes,
Yogi puts on a lot of clunents. You were in
Oregon yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I was. I'm a Nike Headquarters Football heaven. It was amazing.
It was the Nike Kickoff Classic third annual one. Scott Henson,
Matt James. They put it on loved it. It was
girls flag football, a team from South Anchorage against a
team from New Orleans de La Salle that was off
the hook. And then the boys game was Maslin, Ohio undefeated,
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defending state champs. I mean, this is a school that
has sixteen thousand people coming to games in Ohio. It's amazing.
And they played NFL Academy out of the UK, out
of London. Their team is represented by players from nineteen
different countries or territories. Like you look at the offensive line.
It was Hong Kong, Finland, Sweden, France. And football is
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huge in Europe, as you know if you follow the
European League of Football. The Paris Musketeers are rolling. Oh
you're ten and two right now. It's a team that
I get to work with in the offseason. So it
was it was amazing, but it was fun to get
in the flow of calling some games. And here we
are man on the prespice week one.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Everybody loves pickleball is like a big new sport in America.
I don'n do you play at all or have you?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
I've never played. I want to play with our son's name.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
But flag football is emerging as like really huge. Where
we are in the South Bay, there's now girls and
that wasn't happening.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like five years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Oh man, it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So real is high school teams have flag football?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean, look a what's gonna happen in twenty
eight it's boys and or men and women playing in
the Olympics. Yeah, I mean, we saw you reference Kayleb
Williams talking about it on Hard Knocks. Yeah, you know,
I'm not very successful, but I'm a head coach of
our flag team in Marvista Venice Beach, the Short Avenue Dolphins.
But it's just really fun to watch, and especially when
you look at the safety of the game, the future
of the game. And now football football is in over
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seventy countries, right. I reference the team in Paris. There's
games in Brazil, not just NFL games going there, but
club teams. So it is a global sport and it's
gonna be amazing when it comes here to LA. I
keep talking to like coach Carrol or Chip Kelly. I'm like,
you guys gonna be the head coach of this team,
Like what are you gonna do? Like you can imagine
offensively or defensively, Like I wonder how just everybody involved
in the Olympics and decide who are the players, who
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are the coaches in the sport and in the US
we should.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Just rock yeah in flag football should be ours all right?
So you moved from the Pac twelve network to Big ten.
Big ten is gonna be massive this year. How are
you feeling about like the whole realignment. I know some
people get skittish and they're like, oh, no, we need
to be traditional. I'm assuming you love it well.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I think there's a lot of layers to it. I mean,
my heart breaks for the two hundred people they don't
have a job that were my colleagues for over twelve years,
right by no fault of their own. So I'll always
lead with that, like a lot of talented people still
looking for work. But also when you look at the
games and the nature of the game, there's two conferences
that have emerged, and I'm honored to be a part
of one of them with a Big ten network that
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people have been amazing since I've been there. The Jerry
Denardo's of the world. I mean, they just embrace myself
and Guy Haberman and Ashley Adams and a reret. Lewis
like all the people that are new to this network.
So that has been fun. And I gotta be honest,
I just got off the road of visiting. I think
got to twelve campuses in training camp so to see
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and then No, they're gonna
be playing the likes of Oregon and Washington and UCLA
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and SC. It is exciting in this era of football,
especially with an expanded playoff. So it's reality. I've decided
instead of complaining about it, I'm gonna be entertained by it.
I'm gonna enjoy it. I can't wait to get to
places like Nebraska, places I haven't gone to since I played.
I grew up on the East coast Man, but I've
been out here for twenty years. So now to be
able to call games and some of these iconic venues,
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I'm excited for. Yeah, and then we'll see if it's
the I highly doubt realignment's over, like something else may happen.
Who knows when or how. I'm always thinking about the
Coogs and Beeves. I mean, those two got completely hosed
by this thing, and I think they're gonna be America's teams.
And you look at Washington State, bro, if they beat
Texas Tech and beat you dub in the Apple Cup,
if anybody who's ever played sports, how do you not
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cheer for the Kuks. I just think the whole country
is gonna be behind these programs that they can have
early success.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay, I mean that's a take I didn't see coming.
Everybody rooting for Washington State.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Well, think what did they do other than I mean,
they've won more than a lot of the teams that
are currently in power for leagues. I mean you look
at Oregon State, they had a first round pick and
the offensive line last year. There's not like these teams
have been down, Like look at Gardner Minshew, Like there's storyline.
So I look forward to watching. You know, they say
up there like welcome to the fight, like it's kind
of their fight. And these are small schools in terms
of chips on their shoulders, so it'll be fine. I
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know they got a game or two on Fox, so
it'll be fine to track them throughout the fall. Jake
Dicker Trent brayin his first season.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So you mentioned Nebraska kind of awes hand and Nebraska
hasn't been good in forever. But their quarterback is you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Saw him up closed. I'm sure you meet with him.
He's really got the Patrick Mahomes starter kid. He's trying
everything in his power to look like him, from the
throws to the shades.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The hair.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, he's he's a special player. Dylan Royola, he's a
five star quarterback recruit. His father played there, his uncle
coaches there at Nebraska's committed to a couple of schools
in recruiting, but came to the Early eleven, which is
the quarterback camp that you referenced and look. Just to
be blunt when it comes to quarterbacks, it doesn't always work.
Like I wrote a book on it called five Star
QB with Joey Roberts, And you look at one hundred
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and forty there's been one hundred and forty five star
quarterbacks in the history of recruiting. Only seven have been
drafted number one. And I don't need to say their
first name, because you know when I say Jamis, when
I say Trevor, when I say Kyler, when I say Caleb,
you know who they are. Only twenty I think have
been drafted in the first round. Over fifty percent from
transferred once almost twenty percent of transfer twice now, so
it's not like an exact science, so much has to happen.
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But for him and I'll be there week three and
they played Colorado week two. He's got a good at
shot as anybody. And I think what I love most
is his head coach in terms of the system around him.
So much of these quarterbacks having success, and you know this,
you guys talk about all the time is the situation
you're in, the team you're in, but it's really the
people you're around. Because right now, in recruiting, you are
a ranking, you wear a helmet, and you're likely known
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as a transaction because that's just the nature of the game.
So I really believe that the successful head coaches and
recruiting are ones that frontload the mental skills, front load
making sure we get to know the human. Every time
I've talkedn to that and anybody on that staff. Of course,
Matt Rule the head coach, that's where they lean into.
So I think he's in a healthy environment. It won't
be easy, much like bo Nick, it's not gonna be
easy in his opener the first couple months of the season,
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But I think he's got all the tools. I mean,
he can just do unique things and a lot of
quarterbacks who played for a while in college football just
can't do.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So how did they end up with him? Because you
said five stars? Was it Georgia he committed to in that.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah he was. I think it was Ohio State when
he was a sophomore, junior, then it was Georgia and
then I think a lot of these guys, as they
look at recruiting, they just look at it what is
the best fit? And I think in high school recruiting
it's different than the portal and recruiting in high school.
Think about being fourteen years old. You love when your
phone's blown up and it's every coach in America. You
love doing these interviews. But by the time you're sixteen seventeen,
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I think a lot of that shine has worn off.
Now we ask athletes every year at the ELEEGE eleven.
I could call it the wonder switch, Like, how many
of you guys your wonderment has been turned off, your
imagination has been turned off? Around the joy of the game.
Most hands raise because they're like, yeah, it's like a business.
I got to take all these calls and recruiting. But
at some point, I think you settle back down. You
find out what matters most to me with great clarity,
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what do I want in my college experience? And I
think for Dylan Rayola, he was looking at it'd be
pretty cool to play at this iconic place. Maybe I
could be a part of this thing, coming back with
this now second year head coach, play at a place
where my dad was a legend, where my uncle is
a coach on the staff, and I could play early
like he wasn't going to go beat out Carson Beck
in year one, So I like it. I'm a huge
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fan of quarterbacks going to a place where it's healthy,
and I think every situation is totally different. George is
healthy for a lot of players. I think for him,
he looked at Nebraska and was like, all right, I
got to opportunity something special. And I think he's going to.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You mentioned Beck, listen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I think he started fourteen games, baller, you've known him
longer than I have.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I think he's number one pick potential, but do we
need to see a little more before we really crown him.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
This guy's going to be a number one pick in.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well I mean, you guys have someone who sits here
in Mark Sanchez, you know, every week it seems like,
and he only played in what thirteen games?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Thirteen?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, right, So I think everybody is different. I think
when you come from a program like he does, it's
so competitive every day he's on scout team, and he
was having to bring it his best his first year,
and then he backed up a guy who is one
of more iconic players in the history of the game,
former walk on turn two time national champion and sets
in Bennett. So the lessons learned, I think, just bring
a maturity. I think right now in the quarterback position,
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a lot of quarterbacks in college think about dipping early.
Maybe I didn't play, maybe it's not going great. I
just give so much credence to players like Carson Beck
or Miller Moss who just said I'm going to sit
learn and when I play, I'm going to rip. And
I love that about him because he did that last year.
I mean, he's a couple of snaps away from being
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in the playoff again. I think safe to assume we
should expect Georgia among the top twelve teams in college
football where they win the SEC we'll find out, but
he's got all the tools to be an NFL player.
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Speaker 4 (14:42):
That's an interesting take because you know, when you think
about starting a business, the best way is to just
start the business. You know, you can learn hands on
doing the business, as opposed to kind of watching. Like
you said, backing up, I mean Beck sat for three
years basically was it.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Whereas as opposed to Jyllan Gabriel, who I think UCF right,
was it and then then goes to Oklahoma and then
now Oregon he's just all over the place playing all
the time, or even Bo Nicks with I think sixty
one college starting.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yes, all different stories, right, and I think the context
is so important. Like just had Dylan Gabriel my podcast
Why Often, which is great because we talked about his
context around his career. This is a guy coming out
of high school, out of Mililawney High School in Hawaii,
and he was on his way to one of the academies.
He didn't have a lot offers and then the last minute,
Georgia and sc come in and offer him out of
high school and he goes, I don't know. And what
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mattered most to him? Again, I said reference earlier, like
what matters most is one of the things that we talked.
That was the theme of a lead eleven this year.
It was asking the quarterbacks, truly, what matters most to
you is at nil? Is it shine on social media?
Is it playing early? What is it? And it's okay,
but you just got to be confident in whatever the
answer is. For Dylan, he wanted to play, so he said,
I'm going to UCF because I know I can go
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play instead of go to sc and you know, from
Hawaii to USC as a pipeline that is kind of
the school that a lot of kids over there, especially quarterbacks,
dream of going to play at. And he said, no,
I want to go play. So he does, and he
goes and starts and then he ses, I want to
play a bigger stage after Scott frost Ley's and he says, okay,
I'm going to keep going. And where does he go?
A couple years later, after getting injured, he ends up
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going to Oklahoma, balls out the plan for him there
and he references in our conversation, was he wanted to
just do that year, do that second year, and then
go to the league. You get your draft report back
and you're like, ah, it wasn't what I hoped. I
want to keep playing. Well, they have Jackson Arnold, who
was a five star quarterback, extremely talented. So he said,
I'm going to honor the system. I'm going to go
find another place. And he finds one of the healthiest
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programs I think in the country under Dan Lanning in Oregon,
and he may if he's healthy. I hope he is.
I'll be there this week calling their opener or next week.
I should say. He's going to have more starts than
bow Knicks, who has the most in the history of
college football, if he can just get through the regular season.
So I'm a huge fan of Dylan Gabriel, the way
that he's connected to that team. Think about his NLD.
I don't know if you know it. But instead of
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getting like a Maserati, he got a van. He got
a minivan so he could pack his receivers in there
and take him to go. Now So again I go
back to like what matters most for him, It was
playing early and now it's connecting to his teammates. Yeah,
for Carson, it was going to an iconic program sitting learning,
letting rip Miller Moss, same deal he dreamt as a
six year old. That picture went viral the other day
of just wanting to go to SC He sat and wait.
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He could have transferred to a ton of schools across
the country and played earlier, but he said, no, this
is my play. So again I go back to whether
it's Dylan Royola or Carson or Miller or Dylan Gabriel,
what matters most to you and find clarity around it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
There's no right path, you know, everybody has their own,
Like my kids are doing volleyball right now, and you
know there's tryouts and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
This team probably gonna sit on the bench, but they're
gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yeah, this team not gonna be great, but you're gonna
play a lot like what matters more to you?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
With college football it seems a lot more difficult because
coaches are fired all the time and the NIO money,
Like I don't know, I know a college basketball player
who left the West Coast for just say the SEC
and he's getting like five hundred thousand.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Dollars, right, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's real, real c And in football it's got to
be more than that, right.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, And it's a hard thing to navigate. That's why
out of high school. I think high school recruiting is
going to start taking a hit, especially at the quarterback position,
because if you're a blue blood program, yes there's a
world where you find a guy tot high school and
develop him, but if you aren't sure about him, like
look at sc Miller Moss that throws six touchdowns in
the Holly Bowl. You guys called that game it was awesome.
If he doesn't do that, do they end up taking
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somebody in the portal because they're just maybe unsure. I
don't know it's a fair conversation, but I think the
quote from Lincoln Riley afterwards was like he just made
it really difficult for guys in the portal to think
they're going to go beat him out because of what
he did in that game. And I think it's different
because in the portal it's truly a business decision. Quarterbacks
are saying, ur where can I go play? Where can
I go ball? They're not even trying to take official
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visits with fancy dinners and a bunch of love. They
don't need any of that swag. It's a different environment
than it is when you're out of high school and
you're navigating and recruiting for the first time. So there's
a maturity that is entering college football. And as I
projected forward, in a twelve team playoff where you could
play sixteen seven team games, the mature teams are gonna win.
And that's why I look at front runners this year.
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Look at Quinn Yours, what he went through at Ohio State,
coming to his state of Texas in his backyard, navigating that.
You look at what Dylan Gabriels had to navigate. Look
at last year the three quarterbacks in New York, all transfers.
Jane Daniels, he went through a lot of arizonas he
took a ton of flock when he left that program.
It was very inappropriate for everybody who called him out, like,
look at what he was looking at every day, and
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he made a decision as best for him. Look how
it played out. Bo Nicks, he loved Auburn. He said
this many times publicly. He's told me many times, but
he wanted a fresh start. He started playing with joy again,
Michael Pennix junior, the injuries in Indiana, look at what
happened in his career. So so many of these layers
to a nuanced conversation, I think need to get elevated
versus he's good, he's not. He's a million dollars, he's not.
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And that is a challenge right now for the athletes.
So I think even as broadcasters, it's on us, whether
it's the Big Ten network or Fox, to take the
helmet off as the game is on and share who
these young men are.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That's difficult. It is a new wants conversation. Not a
lot of nuanced in sports TV is you know, people
just want to yell at each other. But let me
ask you, Like Joe Burrow falls into that bucket. He
goes to Ohio State was what third or fourth in
the quarterback room. Urban Meyer was like, hey, he's all right,
goes to LSU. He was only okay at LSU that
first year. Remember it's like fifteen touchdowns and then something
clicked and he's like twenty to twenty three years old and.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
As like the greatest season in college football history. Yeah,
so that's I mean, I'm sure some of these guys
ask you straight up, what do you think I should do? Yogi?
What you know?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't know the parents. They come and ask you,
what do you think? Yeah, and how do you navigate that?
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I tell him the same thing that I say every
year at the eleven Finals, right, And it's why even
like what I'm doing now with the Big ten or
with like my why option newsletters, kicking out advice from players,
just pulling snippets, pulling quotes because the facts don't lie.
I reference earlier one hundred and forty five star qbs
in the history of the world, only twenty drafted in
the first round. And the definition of a five star
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quarterback is someone who can change a franchise. How many
quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl they were a five
star quarterback. I'll go two, I'll go oneh in your
thirteen team two and is Matthew Stafford. So most aren't
going to live up to that hype. So again I
go back to can you frontload skills? So what do
I tell parents? I say, I'm never going to tell
you or recommend where to go, but I will give
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you some tools along the way. Tool number one, what
matters most I just keep going back to that phrase
and what is frontloaded when you walk into the building
and when I talk to coaches. Dan Lanning is a
great example. I'm a huge fan of what he's built
there and will build. I think he's going to take
up a lot of the space that is left by
one of your colleagues and former colleagues, whether it was
harbor Now in the NFL, or whether it's when Urban
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Meyer left or Nick Saban left, Like there was just
oxygen in college football that people get to take up. Well,
I think Dan Lanne's going to take it up. And
why do I say it Because when players walk in,
I think there's this notion at Oregon that it's just like, Oh,
here's all the money in the world come out of
the team. That's the last thing they talk about. They frontload, connection, growth, toughness,
Are you willing to sacrifice? Those are the four pillars
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of their DNA trades. And then from there, how do
you fit in within the culture, because if it's one
of those transactional deals, it doesn't work. Now, a lot
of teams can't do that because they just need to
fill bodies. Yeah, we just need roster spots and That's
why it's so fun to watch a place like Colorado,
What are they going to be like this year? You
look at Michigan State, what are they going to be
like this year? Because they had to find the right guy.
But in the portal era, it's hard to do that.
(22:19):
So back to the last thing, what do I tell
the parents? They say, let's just make sure someone's building
your son's confidence because praise and blame are all the same,
and they are going to get hit from every different direction,
usually directly to their mobile phone. So if you're not
frontloading the mental skills, you're going to be challenging. I mean,
you could train three things, bro. You can train your craft,
your arm, you train your body, and you can train
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your mind.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
So the coaches that are doing that, the programs that
are doing that, that's where I tell parents, those are
the places you want to continue to go back and
unearth more detail.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
It seems like a lot of and again maybe I'm
speculating a lot of kids are afraid to fail. Right,
you don't want to go somewhere. Hey, I don't want
to go for the quarterback job at my number one
choice and lose. Oh man, that I sit out then
I'm gonna have to transfer. People seem like kind of
afraid of failing. How do you talk to them about that?
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yeah, well, I don't know if i'd agree with that. Oh,
I think they're coming out of high school, guys want
to go for it. I really think it's really healthy.
I think when you get to college that's where it
becomes a challenge. And why do I say that, because
it's so easy to dip. I'm all for the transfer portal, yeah,
and I'm all for nil, but I believe that if
you sign a deal at a school, maybe it should
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be for more than six months. Maybe it should be
for a year and a half, Maybe it should be
for two years. Okay, And we're just coming out of
a couple of days where all the schools are naming
their starting quarterback, so the backups have an opportunity prior
to school starting, you can transfer. And you just start
seeing some of that. You know, different coaches, different people,
different collectives getting into the DMS. Excuse me of these players, Well,
they have to navigate within themselves and say, Okay, at
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some point, whether I go to the Broncos or the Steelers,
I'm going to have to compete. You don't just get
handed a job anyway. That's not how it works. Look
at Boise State. You know Malchi Nelson was a five
star quarterback, went up there, got beat out. Well, he's
going to be just fine. He's just gonna keep competing.
And that's what I keep telling these guys is but
you just can't dip. If you want to transfer, wait
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till the end of the season. Really give yourself an
opportunity to meet adversity and find a way to navigate
through that versus dip. And that is the challenge, because
everyone's in your ear or in your DMS or in
your mention saying go you're getting hosed. You're getting hosed.
And that's why I think it's always a challenge here
in LA to play because you have an internal reality,
which is when you turn on the film, what are
you doing on the tape at sc or UCLA. Then externally,
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a lot of local players, hey man, you should be playing.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
You're the man.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
You are the best in high school and that is
where excuse me, that's where the best coaches come in. Yeah,
just like a parent, just like you will with a
violin team. You got to cut through it. And again say,
okay man, what matters? What do you care about a degree?
Do you care about playing here? You open to developing?
If so, you might be Carson Beck or Miller Moss
versus going on your third or fourth school if you're
not playing.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
We could wrap up with Dabo Sweeney, who, for whatever
reason is refuses to embrace the transfer portal. Now, I
read a story in the Wall Street Journal where the
IVY League are not doing nil. They don't have collectives.
They're trying maybe now at Harvard, but as a result,
you saw all the best basketball players transfer out because
they can go get three hundred, four hundred thousand elsewhere,
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and the IVY leagues, Oh, we got our IVY League degrees.
Dabo Sweeney seems to be like, m No, thanks on
the NIL and the transfer portal. I'm curious where you
come in on. Do you think you'll have to change
and start to accept TRANSFERSH.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yeah, I think eventually he will. Like, let's look at
Ohio State. They don't have thirty seven transfers. They have
some of the best players in America like Caleb Downs
who transfer. They ever running back who transferred? They just
got very specific. I think different programs are different stages.
So early on you take over a job, you're Michigan State.
I think they have sixty one new faces. Okay, it's
year one. You lost a bunch of guys. You had
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to add a bunch of guys. Colorado, of course was
famous for that. Arizona statea to do that. That's going to
be the Norman year one of programs. But when you're established,
Clemson is an established culture. I think it's all about
supplementation in the portal. I still believe if you look
at the best teams Bamaia, Ohio State, let's just talk
at the teams that have gone to the playoff. Look
at Washington last year, Michigan primarily there were teams that
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won with guys that had been there through or for us,
especially in the trenches, offensive defensive line. Then they supplement it, right.
They find a quarterback, you needed, an edge rusher, find
an offensive lineman, like you just get a couple guys.
That is the way I go back to in his
old school. But when I was coaching at sc under
Pete Carroll ar Mantra was recruit the daylights out of
basically Baker's field of San Diego and then only leave
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for a first round pick. Well, now, if you are
in the portal era and you're Clemson, I'm saying, all right,
only go into the portal for an early Day one
or Day two NFL draft pick. And I think that's
probably the way that if I had to project, they
will go. Because I just came off this tour. Oregon,
Ohio State are different animals, I'm telling you, bro, they
are different animals from a roster standpoint. Some of those
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guys are portal guys, but some of those guys are
in their second or third year who transferred in. So
there's ways you can add to your room and not
just say come save us this year because we need
split end or we need an edge rusher, but we
might be thinking two years down the line. You might
just have finished your freshman year to college and now
you come in you got three left. That is the
nuanced part of recruiting that I think Clemson will have
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to embrace at some point throughout Davo's tenure. There.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
All right, Yogi Roth, great stuff, Big ten Network, So
were you were some of the better games you got
coming up?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I can't wait, I mean, I can't reiterate enough how
much fun it has been to be embraced by all
of our my new colleagues at the Big Ten Network
and here at Fox has been. It has been awesome
going to these campuses. I'm seeing so many familiar faces,
like Kirk Campbell willc at Michigan, his brother was my
teammate in college. Like it was just kind of fun,
like just seeing all these old school connections. But week
one we're head in Oregon in Eugene. Week two we
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got SC coming off the LSU again, which will be
a blast. And then week three and I'm high on SC.
I've been high on them playoff high. I don't know
about that, but to me, they're in the top third
of the Big Ten. They might be in the bottom
part of that top third after my little training camp tour,
But I look at totality the Big Ten last year. Yes,
defenses were amazing, numbers were elite. They didn't face Bonix,
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Michael Pennix, Junior Caleb Williams like they didn't face Ethan Garber's.
Like the West Coast quarterbacks are so gifted. I think
they are going to really challenge this league in a
way this league has not been challenged. So to that point.
Week three, I'm gonna be at Nebraska coming off their
Colorado game and we referenced Dylan Ryola, So that'll be fun.
And then who knows where we'll go, but I'm hoping
we get back to Pennsylvania, go to a Penn State game.
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I mean I went to a game in ninety nine,
Arizona at Penn State was the first game in my
life watching college football high school.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Give me a one name of a star at Arizona
ninety nine. Did they have an edge rusher who went
high in the draft.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Or was I know on the other side of LaVar Arrington.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Oh, LeVar Arrington Penn State.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I mean I saw him walk out the tune. He
got injured in the first half, and the whole place
just went completely silent. And then if you've been to
that state and that that deep tunnel, the shadow of
him comes out in the third quarter with just as
Jersey and Panton and it was this roar, and I
remember West bring myself like yo, y're in a play
major college football.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You have to taste an environor people freaking out.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
It was off the charts, man. So I hope to
get to all those places. We're gonna be doing shows
every Monday on the Big ten Network and then of
course every Saturday with Guy Haverman. Rhett Lewis my new partners.
So I'm just I'm thrilled man, I'm so stoked to
be part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Congrats and we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Jogi Roth coming up next the top challenger to dethrone
the chiefs in the AFC.
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I'll tell you who that is next.
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
I started Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, and there would
be some weekend trips to West Virginia because it was
such a party school. Not that Virginia Tech didn't party,
but uh yeah. I never made it down in Morgantown.
I had some buddies there. Apparently it gets a little rowdy.
Looking forward to it for the Big Noon Crew. Let's
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Speaker 6 (30:46):
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Speaker 7 (30:48):
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Speaker 9 (30:50):
News, all right, Jay macwill turn our attention to the NFL.
Joe Burrow did not play in the Bengals preseason finale
last night. Apparently Burrow wanted to get some more reps in,
but his head coach, Zach Taylor. Here's his decision. Here's
him explaining the decision to hold him out.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
I thought the Colts gay practice was one of his
best practices of the year, you know, and reminiscent of
many of the games he played last year when he
was healthy. Just the accuracy, the decision making the ball
not touching the ground. So I think to finalize training camp,
we stall have work to do. We Stall got two
weeks of practice. But I thought to kind of the
(31:28):
nail on the coffin of training camp, that was the
right way to do it.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
All right, j Mac, what do you see as the
ceiling for my Cincinnati Bengals?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know what I see is you and a producer
wedging the Bengals into the first topic of wordline News
first hour in.
Speaker 9 (31:42):
Second you know, j Ma, this chair comes with some
certain privileges. Yeah, I'm going to capitalize on it when
I get the chance.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, what do we need to see for Burrow? I'd
been to the Super Bowl. He's a superstar. Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I don't think played in the preseason, did not, Rogers
did not.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Burrow hasn't. I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I think a bigger deal is the Jamar Chase situation, Like,
what's your level of nervousness around the Bengals, Maybe not
having Chase.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
It's getting pretty high. I would say if the scale
is on a ten being the most nervous, it's approaching
like seven to eight territory. I think, Look, can the
Bengals win games? Can they pretty much win the opener
against a team like the Patriots. Sure, But eventually, when
this team is very much in the contenders of the AFC,
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you need your team at full strength and you need
a big difference maker in Jamar Chase. Now, T Higgins
is great. He may be the best number two in
all the league, and he may or and he is
likely a number one on a lot of teams in
the league. But you where the Bengals are at right now.
You don't want just one good receiver. You want two
very good receivers one great receiver in order to be
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able to go toe to toe of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, I think as long as Burrow's healthy, and I
know I have Joke's glass Joe, but as long as
he's healthy, they're in the mix for the just the
same way Josh.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Allen a little right, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't know where are you on the blonde hair?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I mean, look, I got no problem with it, just
changing it up. He's he went from kind of long
hair to cutting his short and going with the blonde like.
I got no problem with it. Why are you mad
that he's sort of jocking your style back in the day.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, he's copying me, but it's okay. Imitation is the
most sincere form of flattery. Is that what they said?
I guess so something like that.
Speaker 9 (33:27):
Burrows a big Mac and Tire guy who knew with
all the negativity you throw Cincinnati's bungles baby all right,
as you had mentioned in typical Sean McVay fashion. Matthew
Stafford did not see any action this preseason. Stafford is
entering his sixteenth year in the NFL, and at yesterday's
press conference, he was asked about his readiness heading into
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week one.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I think we still have time before the first one,
you know, so we just continue to work against each other,
sharpen our skills, both offensively and defensively. It may not be,
you know, perfectly like this. You know there might be
days there you have some tough ones. Can you bounce
back and keep going? It just like a season, Right,
you don't play the first game and gets seventeen times
better the last game of the season. Right, you're just fighting,
finding ways to win ball games, doing that along the way.
(34:09):
And that's what we're up to right now, just trying to,
you know, work through some things, get guys in position.
We got some guys still out that you know, hopefully
we can get back pretty soon. But it's really invaluable
experience for everybody that's out there.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
How you feel about the Rams and Stafford heading into
the first week of the season, I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
The idiot who doesn't think they're a playoff team. I mean, listen,
if Stafford's healthy, they're fine. I don't again, you're throwing
a dart on what the offense with Stafford, Pooka, Cooper Cup,
Kyrin Williams, they're gonna be amazing. But as you can
see here, without Stafford, it just all falls apart.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Is Stetson Bennett their backup or.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Well to start the season. Yeah, because they have Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Oh that's Rice suspended, suspended.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, you need Stafford out there, and can he stay healthy.
He looked a little slimmer in that interview.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Maybe it was just me.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I don't know, but like slimmer Stafford, as you age,
I'm sure the audience knows it's tougher to shed those
pounds as you get older. Myself speaking, but yeah, I
think Stafford's great if he stays. If you play seventeen games,
it's tough to envision them missing the playoff absolutely.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
I mean, as you just said, if their offense is
intact throughout the entire year. I think everyone looks at
this team as you know, maybe not the best or
top two team in the NFC, as Colin has them
very high. He has them making a run to the
NFC Championship game, which you know they did. They were
very competitive and almost got there last year. I think
the big question in all of this is really what
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is that defense going to look like without Aaron Donald.
Now they have some promising young pieces there and some
they've invested some draft capital into the defensive line, but
I mean Aaron Donald was such a difference maker for
so many years that that's gonna be the big question.
And sure we know McVeigh can drop an offense as
(35:57):
great as any of them out there, and Cup obviously
last time he was fully healthy throughout a season, had
one of the most prolific offensive years that we have
seen from a wide receiver. So more questions on the
defensive side, I think than the offensive.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, basically, is the defense gonna be okay without Donald
Ken Stafford's stay healthy? And then can they beat the
Niners who have been really their biggest kryptonite. I mean
the Niners. Shanahan just boxes in McVeigh every single time.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Outside of the NFC Championship game when they went on
to end up winning the Super Bowl. I can't remember
who they beat. By the way, when the skis forty.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Nine ers, I was at the game wearing Rams gear
with my fan. It was the loudest I've ever heard
an NFL stadium. Was on that third down completion of
Cooper Cup with like eight minutes left, and he took
a slant and went like twenty yards and it was
just like the place erupted. It was I'll never forget that.
It was awesome.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
Got to love those sports moments, yea, when you're there
for it in stadium.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So we'll get to talk about it, you know. It's funny.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
All right, We'll turn our attention to the NBA. Jamal
Murray helped lead the Nuggets to a title just year ago,
but he struggled in both the NBA playoffs this year
and in the Olympics over the summer. And here's a
Nuggets team president Josh Kronkey discussing how much of that
calf injury impacted Murray.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
When you're going against the best end the world, whether
it's in the NBA playoffs or in the Olympics, if
you're going to get their best shot, and if you're
not a hundred percent and you know you want to
be out there still, you're going to try to fight
through it like Jamal is. But I know he won
one hundred percent. I know getting them back there is
a big step being the Jamal that was throwing up
the triple doubles in the NBA finals.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
All Right, you're a big Jamal Murray guy, Jay MC,
how do you feel about the Nuggets and Jamal Murray
heading in the next season. Hopefully he gets healthy.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, I'm looking at the playoff numbers against Minnesota, eighteen
points per game, not great, shot forty percent from the field.
Against the Lakers he did win basically two games for them,
but he shot twenty nine percent from three.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Overall not great, but two big moments.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
A huge one.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
The Lakers were like, where was the bad Jamal Murray
when we needed a the midst of shots?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Otherwise, who knows? It is weird how the Nuggets have
crumbled quickly. Huh.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Sure, they won the title last year and it was like, Okay,
they're set up for a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
All their corps under thirty.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And now it's like, whoh, Porter, don't look great, Gordon's
going through off the court stuff, Jamal Murray's hurt, bench depleted. Shucks,
are they already passed by like the Minnesotas in dallases
of the world? And sure, I don't know, Man, I
like Jamal Murray. It was weird in the Olympics, like
I didn't hear about.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
This cat injury.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Most of it was like, hey, it's his contract, he
doesn't have a big deal. I mean, Canada could have
used a good Jamal Murray. They got bounced earlier than expected.
But uh, yeah, I'm rooting for man. He's a good player.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah, it's interesting the Western Conference as a whole, to
your point about how quickly it feels like this Nuggets
dynasty may have come to an end is you know,
that parody aspect that Adam Silver in the league has
sort of pushed for seems like that time has come.
In the West and the East. You saw of the Celtics,
who everyone knows is set up for success at least
for this next season and really probably another season after
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that before the true salary cap implications start to clamp
down on them. But in the West, to your point,
it's like, Okay, the Thunder look really good, under t
Wolves look really good. The Nuggets should be really good.
I guess the Suns, the Mavericks. Like there's no one
to two clear cut teams that you're like, that team
is ready to win a title. Maybe the t Wolves,
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maybe the Thunder. But I think people feel like they
need to really see it. Really promising what we saw
from the t Wolves this year, yeah, but obviously also
not great. What we saw from Rudy Gobert in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, kind of had to bench him. And then you know,
I guess we can't rule out the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
And then the Grizzlies get Ja Morant back, and you know, again,
I don't know that they're super contenders, but listen, they
were fifty wins fifty plus wins with.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
Jamar Sure, yeah, they're not very competitive team. I don't
know about the Warriors. I love Steph Curry, but.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Hey man, well the Lakers. How could we not talk
about Lebron? Got to mention Lebron at least.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
We were talking about how the Nuggets have fallen apart
in the Lakers, and I'm a Lakers fans, but like,
the Lakers couldn't even get past the Nuggets. So as
much as I'm a fan, and Anthony Davis and Lebron
James looked like two of the best players in the
world winning a gold medal, but uh yeah, the rest
of the rosters, it's tough, not promising.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
So Jerry Jones is not admitting it, obviously. But the Cowboys,
it's probably time to rebuild. And I know I opened
the show talking Cowboys probably need to rebuild and shouldn't
pay Dak and then I said the Steelers time to rebuild.
I made the mistake of going online during the commercial
break and I saw Steelers fans are irate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
How can we trade our best player?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Again, Dallas is probably gonna end up walking away from
their quarterback who was the runner up MVP and they
won twelve games each of the last three years. It's
just not good enough in the postseason. And so I
think Jerry ultimately has to move on.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
And I asked, I think it was Toshaun Jackson Australia.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Dude, when you lose to Jimmy Garoppolo in the playoffs
and Brock Purdy and Jordan Love and you've got the
higher priced, highly paid quarterback in Dak Prescott who hasn't
shown up in really any of the three games. I mean,
he had some garbage time stats. You've probably got to
make a decision, Jerry and move on. And the market
for Dak is gonna be fascinating. I don't think it's
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gonna be as massive as everybody thinks.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
We shall see and listen.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
If the Raiders are as bad as Felika thinks they're
gonna be, they're gonna be drafted on a quarterback in
the top ten. So Dallas Pittsburgh, it's gonna be fun.
It's nice to see the Juggernauts taking a step back.
And it also ran like that Jets rising to the
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
Just talking to our next guest. He'll be here in
five minutes, Jogi Roth. If you like football, you know
you're gonna love it. Obviously, he's super plugged in. And
you know, during our morning meeting, we're going through a
lot of football stuff. And I saw a tweet yesterday
and I sent it to the staff that each of
the last three years in the NFL, seven new playoff
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teams have emerged, which is crazy because you start going
through the standings and you're like, all right, I can
find one, two, Okay, I got three, seven, So we're
gonna try it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I'm gonna try to give you seven new playoff teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go. Let's get started. This is an easy one.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
There is one layoff, and that's the Cincinnati Bengals. They
were last place last year, mostly because Burrow got injured.
Jake Browning comes in, who was more than serviceable. Browning
was pretty good, very competitive, and they narrowly missed the playoffs.
But if Burrow's healthy, once they get Chase in the building.
Hot take here, Chase misses the opener against the Patriots.
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Think they can afford to win that game without him,
But I think he's really gonna angle for all that money.
But the Bengals are getting in the playoffs now. I
don't know if you want me to force teams out,
but I have the Bengals in the playoffs. Next up,
the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Come on. They should not be a hot take at all.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The Jets are getting in the playoffs for sure this
season thanks to healthy Aaron Rodgers, rebuilt off line, and
the defense is still gonna be good. This Reddick thing
continues to be massively embarrassing. You know, I'll just keep
the out easy. I have them replacing the Miami Dolphins.
The Dolphins, of course, led the division much of last season,
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right and then the Dolphins Crater at the end, it
gets smashed in Kansas City. I think the Jets simply
replace the Dolphins. Miami's schedule is brutal, The Jets is easy.
Jets are in next up, and I've waffle back and forth.
You know, I love it the Chargers with Harbaugh and Herbert.
I do have some concerns about the skill position players,
but seeing the news that Bosa and Derwin James are
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very very likely to play Week one, I mean, they've
been on a milk cart in all preseason and nobody's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Talking about it.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's like, dude, without Bosa, what's this defense? And Herbert
now out of the boot. So I like the Chargers
bouncing back getting in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The division has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Obviously, the division is very rotten with the Broncos and Raiders.
I am gonna shove the Steelers out, But if you
listen at the beginning of the show, that's no surprise.
Next playoff team in somewhat influenced by Chris de Barr
Felika Last Hour, I got the Jacksonville Jaguars sneaking into
the playoffs. You had to like the move of Brian
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Thomas and the draft kid out of LSU. He's got
a lot of talent. I just want to remind people
the Jags started last season eight and three like they
were look and the year prior they losing the playoffs
to the Chiefs, and then they started eight and three
and they're like, oh damn, Jags are for real. And
then you know, Trevor Lawrence had the high ankles praying.
It kind of fell apart and they cratered. But I
think this team gets back in the division sneaky good
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with the Texans all of a sudden being very good.
So I got the Jags in the playoffs. Next up,
let's go to the NFC. I got the Falcons in
That feels like a layup. Nobody believes the Bucks can
duplicate what they did last year with the Dave Canalis,
Baker Mayfield combo on offense. So I have the Falcons
leaping up thanks to not Michael Pennix but Kirk Cousins.
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They're spending on defense here recently with Simmons, and they
ed Rusher Jude on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So I like Atlanta. I don't love this team like
Cowherd does.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He seems to think they're in the mix to win,
like twelve thirteen games be the number one overall seed.
I don't see that. Raheem Morris little too conservative of
a head coach for my liking. But I do think
the Falcons get into the playoffs this next one. I'm
a little nervous about not gonna lie Seattle Seahawks. Listen,
when you gotta get seven new teams, you're gonna have
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some randoms.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I have Seattle Gideon.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I'm a buye on Mike McDonald, the great defensive coordinator
who wasn't Michigan and then was in Baltimore. I don't
love Geno Smith, but I kind of like the kid Grubb,
the OC from Washington. I think they're gonna look a
little different, and I do believe this defense will rattle
some people. I think they're gonna destroy Bo Nicks. In
the opener, I know our next guest knows bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think they shut Nicks and Peyton down and Seattle
served notice that they're gonna be a playoff team. And
my final new playoff team, final new team, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Get them in there.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Caleb Williams, I'm feeling it, you know, a lot of
it is just based off vibes and good energy. Some
of the underlying metrics may scare some people. I know
there was a couple splash plays from Caleb over the weekend.
I do want to remind people go look at the
other drives. Bears couldn't do anything. So there is a
world where this team's like what's going on? Iber flues
gets fired, YadA, YadA, YadA. But I'm betting on Dj
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Moore Roma Dunze. I like Keenan Allen when he's healthy.
I like the running back room offensive line as long
as Caleb can say I'm gonna win from the pocket
and only do backyard football when it's an emergency. I
got the Bears getting in the playoffs, so those are
my new seven playoff teams. And with that, let's welcome
in our guest, Yogi Roth Big Ten Network. He knows
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college football as well as anybody could see again, buddy, Yes,
Yogi puts on a lot of clunents. You were in
Oregon yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I was. I'm a Nike Headquarters Football heaven. It was amazing.
It was the Nike Kickoff Classic third annual one. Scott Henson,
Matt James. They put it on loved it. It was
girls flag football, a team from South Anchorage against a
team from New Orleans de La Salle that was off
the hook. And then the boys game was Maslin, Ohio undefeated,
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defending state champs. I mean, this is a school that
has sixteen thousand people coming to games in Ohio. It's amazing.
And they played NFL Academy out of the UK, out
of London. Their team is represented by players from nineteen
different countries or territories. Like you look at the offensive line.
It was Hong Kong, Finland, Sweden, France. And football is
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huge in Europe, as you know if you follow the
European League of Football. The Paris Musketeers are rolling. Oh
you're ten and two right now. It's a team that
I get to work with in the offseason. So it
was it was amazing, but it was fun to get
in the flow of calling some games. And here we
are man on the prespice week one.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Everybody loves pickleball is like a big new sport in America.
I don'n do you play at all or have you?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
I've never played. I want to play with our son's name.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
But flag football is emerging as like really huge. Where
we are in the South Bay, there's now girls and
that wasn't happening.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like five years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Oh man, it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So real is high school teams have flag football?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean, look a what's gonna happen in twenty
eight it's boys and or men and women playing in
the Olympics. Yeah, I mean, we saw you reference Kayleb
Williams talking about it on Hard Knocks. Yeah, you know,
I'm not very successful, but I'm a head coach of
our flag team in Marvista Venice Beach, the Short Avenue Dolphins.
But it's just really fun to watch, and especially when
you look at the safety of the game, the future
of the game. And now football football is in over
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seventy countries, right. I reference the team in Paris. There's
games in Brazil, not just NFL games going there, but
club teams. So it is a global sport and it's
gonna be amazing when it comes here to LA. I
keep talking to like coach Carrol or Chip Kelly. I'm like,
you guys gonna be the head coach of this team,
Like what are you gonna do? Like you can imagine
offensively or defensively, Like I wonder how just everybody involved
in the Olympics and decide who are the players, who
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are the coaches in the sport and in the US
we should.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Just rock yeah in flag football should be ours all right?
So you moved from the Pac twelve network to Big ten.
Big ten is gonna be massive this year. How are
you feeling about like the whole realignment. I know some
people get skittish and they're like, oh, no, we need
to be traditional. I'm assuming you love it well.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I think there's a lot of layers to it. I mean,
my heart breaks for the two hundred people they don't
have a job that were my colleagues for over twelve years,
right by no fault of their own. So I'll always
lead with that, like a lot of talented people still
looking for work. But also when you look at the
games and the nature of the game, there's two conferences
that have emerged, and I'm honored to be a part
of one of them with a Big ten network that
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people have been amazing since I've been there. The Jerry
Denardo's of the world. I mean, they just embrace myself
and Guy Haberman and Ashley Adams and a reret. Lewis
like all the people that are new to this network.
So that has been fun. And I gotta be honest,
I just got off the road of visiting. I think
got to twelve campuses in training camp so to see
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and then No, they're gonna
be playing the likes of Oregon and Washington and UCLA
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and SC. It is exciting in this era of football,
especially with an expanded playoff. So it's reality. I've decided
instead of complaining about it, I'm gonna be entertained by it.
I'm gonna enjoy it. I can't wait to get to
places like Nebraska, places I haven't gone to since I played.
I grew up on the East coast Man, but I've
been out here for twenty years. So now to be
able to call games and some of these iconic venues,
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I'm excited for. Yeah, and then we'll see if it's
the I highly doubt realignment's over, like something else may happen.
Who knows when or how. I'm always thinking about the
Coogs and Beeves. I mean, those two got completely hosed
by this thing, and I think they're gonna be America's teams.
And you look at Washington State, bro, if they beat
Texas Tech and beat you dub in the Apple Cup,
if anybody who's ever played sports, how do you not
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cheer for the Kuks. I just think the whole country
is gonna be behind these programs that they can have
early success.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay, I mean that's a take I didn't see coming.
Everybody rooting for Washington State.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Well, think what did they do other than I mean,
they've won more than a lot of the teams that
are currently in power for leagues. I mean you look
at Oregon State, they had a first round pick and
the offensive line last year. There's not like these teams
have been down, Like look at Gardner Minshew, Like there's storyline.
So I look forward to watching. You know, they say
up there like welcome to the fight, like it's kind
of their fight. And these are small schools in terms
of chips on their shoulders, so it'll be fine. I
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know they got a game or two on Fox, so
it'll be fine to track them throughout the fall. Jake
Dicker Trent brayin his first season.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So you mentioned Nebraska kind of awes hand and Nebraska
hasn't been good in forever. But their quarterback is you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Saw him up closed. I'm sure you meet with him.
He's really got the Patrick Mahomes starter kid. He's trying
everything in his power to look like him, from the
throws to the shades.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The hair.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, he's he's a special player. Dylan Royola, he's a
five star quarterback recruit. His father played there, his uncle
coaches there at Nebraska's committed to a couple of schools
in recruiting, but came to the Early eleven, which is
the quarterback camp that you referenced and look. Just to
be blunt when it comes to quarterbacks, it doesn't always work.
Like I wrote a book on it called five Star
QB with Joey Roberts, And you look at one hundred
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and forty there's been one hundred and forty five star
quarterbacks in the history of recruiting. Only seven have been
drafted number one. And I don't need to say their
first name, because you know when I say Jamis, when
I say Trevor, when I say Kyler, when I say Caleb,
you know who they are. Only twenty I think have
been drafted in the first round. Over fifty percent from
transferred once almost twenty percent of transfer twice now, so
it's not like an exact science, so much has to happen.
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But for him and I'll be there week three and
they played Colorado week two. He's got a good at
shot as anybody. And I think what I love most
is his head coach in terms of the system around him.
So much of these quarterbacks having success, and you know this,
you guys talk about all the time is the situation
you're in, the team you're in, but it's really the
people you're around. Because right now, in recruiting, you are
a ranking, you wear a helmet, and you're likely known
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as a transaction because that's just the nature of the game.
So I really believe that the successful head coaches and
recruiting are ones that frontload the mental skills, front load
making sure we get to know the human. Every time
I've talkedn to that and anybody on that staff. Of course,
Matt Rule the head coach, that's where they lean into.
So I think he's in a healthy environment. It won't
be easy, much like bo Nick, it's not gonna be
easy in his opener the first couple months of the season,
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But I think he's got all the tools. I mean,
he can just do unique things and a lot of
quarterbacks who played for a while in college football just
can't do.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So how did they end up with him? Because you
said five stars? Was it Georgia he committed to in that.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah he was. I think it was Ohio State when
he was a sophomore, junior, then it was Georgia and
then I think a lot of these guys, as they
look at recruiting, they just look at it what is
the best fit? And I think in high school recruiting
it's different than the portal and recruiting in high school.
Think about being fourteen years old. You love when your
phone's blown up and it's every coach in America. You
love doing these interviews. But by the time you're sixteen seventeen,
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I think a lot of that shine has worn off.
Now we ask athletes every year at the ELEEGE eleven.
I could call it the wonder switch, Like, how many
of you guys your wonderment has been turned off, your
imagination has been turned off? Around the joy of the game.
Most hands raise because they're like, yeah, it's like a business.
I got to take all these calls and recruiting. But
at some point, I think you settle back down. You
find out what matters most to me with great clarity,
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what do I want in my college experience? And I
think for Dylan Rayola, he was looking at it'd be
pretty cool to play at this iconic place. Maybe I
could be a part of this thing, coming back with
this now second year head coach, play at a place
where my dad was a legend, where my uncle is
a coach on the staff, and I could play early
like he wasn't going to go beat out Carson Beck
in year one, So I like it. I'm a huge
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fan of quarterbacks going to a place where it's healthy,
and I think every situation is totally different. George is
healthy for a lot of players. I think for him,
he looked at Nebraska and was like, all right, I
got to opportunity something special. And I think he's going to.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You mentioned Beck, listen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I think he started fourteen games, baller, you've known him
longer than I have.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I think he's number one pick potential, but do we
need to see a little more before we really crown him.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
This guy's going to be a number one pick in.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well I mean, you guys have someone who sits here
in Mark Sanchez, you know, every week it seems like,
and he only played in what thirteen games?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Thirteen?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, right, So I think everybody is different. I think
when you come from a program like he does, it's
so competitive every day he's on scout team, and he
was having to bring it his best his first year,
and then he backed up a guy who is one
of more iconic players in the history of the game,
former walk on turn two time national champion and sets
in Bennett. So the lessons learned, I think, just bring
a maturity. I think right now in the quarterback position,
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a lot of quarterbacks in college think about dipping early.
Maybe I didn't play, maybe it's not going great. I
just give so much credence to players like Carson Beck
or Miller Moss who just said I'm going to sit
learn and when I play, I'm going to rip. And
I love that about him because he did that last year.
I mean, he's a couple of snaps away from being
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in the playoff again. I think safe to assume we
should expect Georgia among the top twelve teams in college
football where they win the SEC we'll find out, but
he's got all the tools to be an NFL player.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
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Speaker 4 (14:42):
That's an interesting take because you know, when you think
about starting a business, the best way is to just
start the business. You know, you can learn hands on
doing the business, as opposed to kind of watching. Like
you said, backing up, I mean Beck sat for three
years basically was it.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Whereas as opposed to Jyllan Gabriel, who I think UCF right,
was it and then then goes to Oklahoma and then
now Oregon he's just all over the place playing all
the time, or even Bo Nicks with I think sixty
one college starting.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yes, all different stories, right, and I think the context
is so important. Like just had Dylan Gabriel my podcast
Why Often, which is great because we talked about his
context around his career. This is a guy coming out
of high school, out of Mililawney High School in Hawaii,
and he was on his way to one of the academies.
He didn't have a lot offers and then the last minute,
Georgia and sc come in and offer him out of
high school and he goes, I don't know. And what
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mattered most to him? Again, I said reference earlier, like
what matters most is one of the things that we talked.
That was the theme of a lead eleven this year.
It was asking the quarterbacks, truly, what matters most to
you is at nil? Is it shine on social media?
Is it playing early? What is it? And it's okay,
but you just got to be confident in whatever the
answer is. For Dylan, he wanted to play, so he said,
I'm going to UCF because I know I can go
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play instead of go to sc and you know, from
Hawaii to USC as a pipeline that is kind of
the school that a lot of kids over there, especially quarterbacks,
dream of going to play at. And he said, no,
I want to go play. So he does, and he
goes and starts and then he ses, I want to
play a bigger stage after Scott frost Ley's and he says, okay,
I'm going to keep going. And where does he go?
A couple years later, after getting injured, he ends up
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going to Oklahoma, balls out the plan for him there
and he references in our conversation, was he wanted to
just do that year, do that second year, and then
go to the league. You get your draft report back
and you're like, ah, it wasn't what I hoped. I
want to keep playing. Well, they have Jackson Arnold, who
was a five star quarterback, extremely talented. So he said,
I'm going to honor the system. I'm going to go
find another place. And he finds one of the healthiest
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programs I think in the country under Dan Lanning in Oregon,
and he may if he's healthy. I hope he is.
I'll be there this week calling their opener or next week.
I should say. He's going to have more starts than
bow Knicks, who has the most in the history of
college football, if he can just get through the regular season.
So I'm a huge fan of Dylan Gabriel, the way
that he's connected to that team. Think about his NLD.
I don't know if you know it. But instead of
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getting like a Maserati, he got a van. He got
a minivan so he could pack his receivers in there
and take him to go. Now So again I go
back to like what matters most for him, It was
playing early and now it's connecting to his teammates. Yeah,
for Carson, it was going to an iconic program sitting learning,
letting rip Miller Moss, same deal he dreamt as a
six year old. That picture went viral the other day
of just wanting to go to SC He sat and wait.
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He could have transferred to a ton of schools across
the country and played earlier, but he said, no, this
is my play. So again I go back to whether
it's Dylan Royola or Carson or Miller or Dylan Gabriel,
what matters most to you and find clarity around it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
There's no right path, you know, everybody has their own,
Like my kids are doing volleyball right now, and you
know there's tryouts and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
This team probably gonna sit on the bench, but they're
gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yeah, this team not gonna be great, but you're gonna
play a lot like what matters more to you?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
With college football it seems a lot more difficult because
coaches are fired all the time and the NIO money,
Like I don't know, I know a college basketball player
who left the West Coast for just say the SEC
and he's getting like five hundred thousand.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Dollars, right, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's real, real c And in football it's got to
be more than that, right.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, And it's a hard thing to navigate. That's why
out of high school. I think high school recruiting is
going to start taking a hit, especially at the quarterback position,
because if you're a blue blood program, yes there's a
world where you find a guy tot high school and
develop him, but if you aren't sure about him, like
look at sc Miller Moss that throws six touchdowns in
the Holly Bowl. You guys called that game it was awesome.
If he doesn't do that, do they end up taking
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somebody in the portal because they're just maybe unsure. I
don't know it's a fair conversation, but I think the
quote from Lincoln Riley afterwards was like he just made
it really difficult for guys in the portal to think
they're going to go beat him out because of what
he did in that game. And I think it's different
because in the portal it's truly a business decision. Quarterbacks
are saying, ur where can I go play? Where can
I go ball? They're not even trying to take official
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visits with fancy dinners and a bunch of love. They
don't need any of that swag. It's a different environment
than it is when you're out of high school and
you're navigating and recruiting for the first time. So there's
a maturity that is entering college football. And as I
projected forward, in a twelve team playoff where you could
play sixteen seven team games, the mature teams are gonna win.
And that's why I look at front runners this year.
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Look at Quinn Yours, what he went through at Ohio State,
coming to his state of Texas in his backyard, navigating that.
You look at what Dylan Gabriels had to navigate. Look
at last year the three quarterbacks in New York, all transfers.
Jane Daniels, he went through a lot of arizonas he
took a ton of flock when he left that program.
It was very inappropriate for everybody who called him out, like,
look at what he was looking at every day, and
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he made a decision as best for him. Look how
it played out. Bo Nicks, he loved Auburn. He said
this many times publicly. He's told me many times, but
he wanted a fresh start. He started playing with joy again,
Michael Pennix junior, the injuries in Indiana, look at what
happened in his career. So so many of these layers
to a nuanced conversation, I think need to get elevated
versus he's good, he's not. He's a million dollars, he's not.
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And that is a challenge right now for the athletes.
So I think even as broadcasters, it's on us, whether
it's the Big Ten network or Fox, to take the
helmet off as the game is on and share who
these young men are.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That's difficult. It is a new wants conversation. Not a
lot of nuanced in sports TV is you know, people
just want to yell at each other. But let me
ask you, Like Joe Burrow falls into that bucket. He
goes to Ohio State was what third or fourth in
the quarterback room. Urban Meyer was like, hey, he's all right,
goes to LSU. He was only okay at LSU that
first year. Remember it's like fifteen touchdowns and then something
clicked and he's like twenty to twenty three years old and.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
As like the greatest season in college football history. Yeah,
so that's I mean, I'm sure some of these guys
ask you straight up, what do you think I should do? Yogi?
What you know?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't know the parents. They come and ask you,
what do you think? Yeah, and how do you navigate that?
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I tell him the same thing that I say every
year at the eleven Finals, right, And it's why even
like what I'm doing now with the Big ten or
with like my why option newsletters, kicking out advice from players,
just pulling snippets, pulling quotes because the facts don't lie.
I reference earlier one hundred and forty five star qbs
in the history of the world, only twenty drafted in
the first round. And the definition of a five star
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quarterback is someone who can change a franchise. How many
quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl they were a five
star quarterback. I'll go two, I'll go oneh in your
thirteen team two and is Matthew Stafford. So most aren't
going to live up to that hype. So again I
go back to can you frontload skills? So what do
I tell parents? I say, I'm never going to tell
you or recommend where to go, but I will give
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you some tools along the way. Tool number one, what
matters most I just keep going back to that phrase
and what is frontloaded when you walk into the building
and when I talk to coaches. Dan Lanning is a
great example. I'm a huge fan of what he's built
there and will build. I think he's going to take
up a lot of the space that is left by
one of your colleagues and former colleagues, whether it was
harbor Now in the NFL, or whether it's when Urban
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Meyer left or Nick Saban left, Like there was just
oxygen in college football that people get to take up. Well,
I think Dan Lanne's going to take it up. And
why do I say it Because when players walk in,
I think there's this notion at Oregon that it's just like, Oh,
here's all the money in the world come out of
the team. That's the last thing they talk about. They frontload, connection, growth, toughness,
Are you willing to sacrifice? Those are the four pillars
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of their DNA trades. And then from there, how do
you fit in within the culture, because if it's one
of those transactional deals, it doesn't work. Now, a lot
of teams can't do that because they just need to
fill bodies. Yeah, we just need roster spots and That's
why it's so fun to watch a place like Colorado,
What are they going to be like this year? You
look at Michigan State, what are they going to be
like this year? Because they had to find the right guy.
But in the portal era, it's hard to do that.
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So back to the last thing, what do I tell
the parents? They say, let's just make sure someone's building
your son's confidence because praise and blame are all the same,
and they are going to get hit from every different direction,
usually directly to their mobile phone. So if you're not
frontloading the mental skills, you're going to be challenging. I mean,
you could train three things, bro. You can train your craft,
your arm, you train your body, and you can train
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your mind.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
So the coaches that are doing that, the programs that
are doing that, that's where I tell parents, those are
the places you want to continue to go back and
unearth more detail.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
It seems like a lot of and again maybe I'm
speculating a lot of kids are afraid to fail. Right,
you don't want to go somewhere. Hey, I don't want
to go for the quarterback job at my number one
choice and lose. Oh man, that I sit out then
I'm gonna have to transfer. People seem like kind of
afraid of failing. How do you talk to them about that?
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yeah, well, I don't know if i'd agree with that. Oh,
I think they're coming out of high school, guys want
to go for it. I really think it's really healthy.
I think when you get to college that's where it
becomes a challenge. And why do I say that, because
it's so easy to dip. I'm all for the transfer portal, yeah,
and I'm all for nil, but I believe that if
you sign a deal at a school, maybe it should
(23:24):
be for more than six months. Maybe it should be
for a year and a half, Maybe it should be
for two years. Okay, And we're just coming out of
a couple of days where all the schools are naming
their starting quarterback, so the backups have an opportunity prior
to school starting, you can transfer. And you just start
seeing some of that. You know, different coaches, different people,
different collectives getting into the DMS. Excuse me of these players, Well,
they have to navigate within themselves and say, Okay, at
(23:46):
some point, whether I go to the Broncos or the Steelers,
I'm going to have to compete. You don't just get
handed a job anyway. That's not how it works. Look
at Boise State. You know Malchi Nelson was a five
star quarterback, went up there, got beat out. Well, he's
going to be just fine. He's just gonna keep competing.
And that's what I keep telling these guys is but
you just can't dip. If you want to transfer, wait
(24:06):
till the end of the season. Really give yourself an
opportunity to meet adversity and find a way to navigate
through that versus dip. And that is the challenge, because
everyone's in your ear or in your DMS or in
your mention saying go you're getting hosed. You're getting hosed.
And that's why I think it's always a challenge here
in LA to play because you have an internal reality,
which is when you turn on the film, what are
you doing on the tape at sc or UCLA. Then externally,
(24:28):
a lot of local players, hey man, you should be playing.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
You're the man.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
You are the best in high school and that is
where excuse me, that's where the best coaches come in. Yeah,
just like a parent, just like you will with a
violin team. You got to cut through it. And again say,
okay man, what matters? What do you care about a degree?
Do you care about playing here? You open to developing?
If so, you might be Carson Beck or Miller Moss
versus going on your third or fourth school if you're
not playing.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
We could wrap up with Dabo Sweeney, who, for whatever
reason is refuses to embrace the transfer portal. Now, I
read a story in the Wall Street Journal where the
IVY League are not doing nil. They don't have collectives.
They're trying maybe now at Harvard, but as a result,
you saw all the best basketball players transfer out because
they can go get three hundred, four hundred thousand elsewhere,
(25:11):
and the IVY leagues, Oh, we got our IVY League degrees.
Dabo Sweeney seems to be like, m No, thanks on
the NIL and the transfer portal. I'm curious where you
come in on. Do you think you'll have to change
and start to accept TRANSFERSH.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yeah, I think eventually he will. Like, let's look at
Ohio State. They don't have thirty seven transfers. They have
some of the best players in America like Caleb Downs
who transfer. They ever running back who transferred? They just
got very specific. I think different programs are different stages.
So early on you take over a job, you're Michigan State.
I think they have sixty one new faces. Okay, it's
year one. You lost a bunch of guys. You had
(25:45):
to add a bunch of guys. Colorado, of course was
famous for that. Arizona statea to do that. That's going to
be the Norman year one of programs. But when you're established,
Clemson is an established culture. I think it's all about
supplementation in the portal. I still believe if you look
at the best teams Bamaia, Ohio State, let's just talk
at the teams that have gone to the playoff. Look
at Washington last year, Michigan primarily there were teams that
(26:07):
won with guys that had been there through or for us,
especially in the trenches, offensive defensive line. Then they supplement it, right.
They find a quarterback, you needed, an edge rusher, find
an offensive lineman, like you just get a couple guys.
That is the way I go back to in his
old school. But when I was coaching at sc under
Pete Carroll ar Mantra was recruit the daylights out of
basically Baker's field of San Diego and then only leave
(26:29):
for a first round pick. Well, now, if you are
in the portal era and you're Clemson, I'm saying, all right,
only go into the portal for an early Day one
or Day two NFL draft pick. And I think that's
probably the way that if I had to project, they
will go. Because I just came off this tour. Oregon,
Ohio State are different animals, I'm telling you, bro, they
are different animals from a roster standpoint. Some of those
(26:51):
guys are portal guys, but some of those guys are
in their second or third year who transferred in. So
there's ways you can add to your room and not
just say come save us this year because we need
split end or we need an edge rusher, but we
might be thinking two years down the line. You might
just have finished your freshman year to college and now
you come in you got three left. That is the
nuanced part of recruiting that I think Clemson will have
(27:12):
to embrace at some point throughout Davo's tenure. There.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
All right, Yogi Roth, great stuff, Big ten Network, So
were you were some of the better games you got
coming up?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I can't wait, I mean, I can't reiterate enough how
much fun it has been to be embraced by all
of our my new colleagues at the Big Ten Network
and here at Fox has been. It has been awesome
going to these campuses. I'm seeing so many familiar faces,
like Kirk Campbell willc at Michigan, his brother was my
teammate in college. Like it was just kind of fun,
like just seeing all these old school connections. But week
one we're head in Oregon in Eugene. Week two we
(27:44):
got SC coming off the LSU again, which will be
a blast. And then week three and I'm high on SC.
I've been high on them playoff high. I don't know
about that, but to me, they're in the top third
of the Big Ten. They might be in the bottom
part of that top third after my little training camp tour,
But I look at totality the Big Ten last year. Yes,
defenses were amazing, numbers were elite. They didn't face Bonix,
(28:06):
Michael Pennix, Junior Caleb Williams like they didn't face Ethan Garber's.
Like the West Coast quarterbacks are so gifted. I think
they are going to really challenge this league in a
way this league has not been challenged. So to that point.
Week three, I'm gonna be at Nebraska coming off their
Colorado game and we referenced Dylan Ryola, So that'll be fun.
And then who knows where we'll go, but I'm hoping
we get back to Pennsylvania, go to a Penn State game.
(28:27):
I mean I went to a game in ninety nine,
Arizona at Penn State was the first game in my
life watching college football high school.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Give me a one name of a star at Arizona
ninety nine. Did they have an edge rusher who went
high in the draft.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Or was I know on the other side of LaVar Arrington.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Oh, LeVar Arrington Penn State.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I mean I saw him walk out the tune. He
got injured in the first half, and the whole place
just went completely silent. And then if you've been to
that state and that that deep tunnel, the shadow of
him comes out in the third quarter with just as
Jersey and Panton and it was this roar, and I
remember West bring myself like yo, y're in a play
major college football.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You have to taste an environor people freaking out.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
It was off the charts, man. So I hope to
get to all those places. We're gonna be doing shows
every Monday on the Big ten Network and then of
course every Saturday with Guy Haverman. Rhett Lewis my new partners.
So I'm just I'm thrilled man, I'm so stoked to
be part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Congrats and we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Jogi Roth coming up next the top challenger to dethrone
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I started Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, and there would
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I had some buddies there. Apparently it gets a little rowdy.
Looking forward to it for the Big Noon Crew. Let's
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Speaker 6 (30:46):
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Speaker 7 (30:48):
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Speaker 9 (30:50):
News, all right, Jay macwill turn our attention to the NFL.
Joe Burrow did not play in the Bengals preseason finale
last night. Apparently Burrow wanted to get some more reps in,
but his head coach, Zach Taylor. Here's his decision. Here's
him explaining the decision to hold him out.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
I thought the Colts gay practice was one of his
best practices of the year, you know, and reminiscent of
many of the games he played last year when he
was healthy. Just the accuracy, the decision making the ball
not touching the ground. So I think to finalize training camp,
we stall have work to do. We Stall got two
weeks of practice. But I thought to kind of the
(31:28):
nail on the coffin of training camp, that was the
right way to do it.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
All right, j Mac, what do you see as the
ceiling for my Cincinnati Bengals?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know what I see is you and a producer
wedging the Bengals into the first topic of wordline News
first hour in.
Speaker 9 (31:42):
Second you know, j Ma, this chair comes with some
certain privileges. Yeah, I'm going to capitalize on it when
I get the chance.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, what do we need to see for Burrow? I'd
been to the Super Bowl. He's a superstar. Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I don't think played in the preseason, did not, Rogers
did not.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Burrow hasn't. I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I think a bigger deal is the Jamar Chase situation, Like,
what's your level of nervousness around the Bengals, Maybe not
having Chase.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
It's getting pretty high. I would say if the scale
is on a ten being the most nervous, it's approaching
like seven to eight territory. I think, Look, can the
Bengals win games? Can they pretty much win the opener
against a team like the Patriots. Sure, But eventually, when
this team is very much in the contenders of the AFC,
(32:30):
you need your team at full strength and you need
a big difference maker in Jamar Chase. Now, T Higgins
is great. He may be the best number two in
all the league, and he may or and he is
likely a number one on a lot of teams in
the league. But you where the Bengals are at right now.
You don't want just one good receiver. You want two
very good receivers one great receiver in order to be
(32:52):
able to go toe to toe of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, I think as long as Burrow's healthy, and I
know I have Joke's glass Joe, but as long as
he's healthy, they're in the mix for the just the
same way Josh.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Allen a little right, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't know where are you on the blonde hair?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I mean, look, I got no problem with it, just
changing it up. He's he went from kind of long
hair to cutting his short and going with the blonde like.
I got no problem with it. Why are you mad
that he's sort of jocking your style back in the day.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, he's copying me, but it's okay. Imitation is the
most sincere form of flattery. Is that what they said?
I guess so something like that.
Speaker 9 (33:27):
Burrows a big Mac and Tire guy who knew with
all the negativity you throw Cincinnati's bungles baby all right,
as you had mentioned in typical Sean McVay fashion. Matthew
Stafford did not see any action this preseason. Stafford is
entering his sixteenth year in the NFL, and at yesterday's
press conference, he was asked about his readiness heading into
(33:47):
week one.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I think we still have time before the first one,
you know, so we just continue to work against each other,
sharpen our skills, both offensively and defensively. It may not be,
you know, perfectly like this. You know there might be
days there you have some tough ones. Can you bounce
back and keep going? It just like a season, Right,
you don't play the first game and gets seventeen times
better the last game of the season. Right, you're just fighting,
finding ways to win ball games, doing that along the way.
(34:09):
And that's what we're up to right now, just trying to,
you know, work through some things, get guys in position.
We got some guys still out that you know, hopefully
we can get back pretty soon. But it's really invaluable
experience for everybody that's out there.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
How you feel about the Rams and Stafford heading into
the first week of the season, I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
The idiot who doesn't think they're a playoff team. I mean, listen,
if Stafford's healthy, they're fine. I don't again, you're throwing
a dart on what the offense with Stafford, Pooka, Cooper Cup,
Kyrin Williams, they're gonna be amazing. But as you can
see here, without Stafford, it just all falls apart.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Is Stetson Bennett their backup or.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Well to start the season. Yeah, because they have Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Oh that's Rice suspended, suspended.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, you need Stafford out there, and can he stay healthy.
He looked a little slimmer in that interview.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Maybe it was just me.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I don't know, but like slimmer Stafford, as you age,
I'm sure the audience knows it's tougher to shed those
pounds as you get older. Myself speaking, but yeah, I
think Stafford's great if he stays. If you play seventeen games,
it's tough to envision them missing the playoff absolutely.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
I mean, as you just said, if their offense is
intact throughout the entire year. I think everyone looks at
this team as you know, maybe not the best or
top two team in the NFC, as Colin has them
very high. He has them making a run to the
NFC Championship game, which you know they did. They were
very competitive and almost got there last year. I think
the big question in all of this is really what
(35:37):
is that defense going to look like without Aaron Donald.
Now they have some promising young pieces there and some
they've invested some draft capital into the defensive line, but
I mean Aaron Donald was such a difference maker for
so many years that that's gonna be the big question.
And sure we know McVeigh can drop an offense as
(35:57):
great as any of them out there, and Cup obviously
last time he was fully healthy throughout a season, had
one of the most prolific offensive years that we have
seen from a wide receiver. So more questions on the
defensive side, I think than the offensive.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, basically, is the defense gonna be okay without Donald
Ken Stafford's stay healthy? And then can they beat the
Niners who have been really their biggest kryptonite. I mean
the Niners. Shanahan just boxes in McVeigh every single time.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Outside of the NFC Championship game when they went on
to end up winning the Super Bowl. I can't remember
who they beat. By the way, when the skis forty.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Nine ers, I was at the game wearing Rams gear
with my fan. It was the loudest I've ever heard
an NFL stadium. Was on that third down completion of
Cooper Cup with like eight minutes left, and he took
a slant and went like twenty yards and it was
just like the place erupted. It was I'll never forget that.
It was awesome.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
Got to love those sports moments, yea, when you're there
for it in stadium.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So we'll get to talk about it, you know. It's funny.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
All right, We'll turn our attention to the NBA. Jamal
Murray helped lead the Nuggets to a title just year ago,
but he struggled in both the NBA playoffs this year
and in the Olympics over the summer. And here's a
Nuggets team president Josh Kronkey discussing how much of that
calf injury impacted Murray.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
When you're going against the best end the world, whether
it's in the NBA playoffs or in the Olympics, if
you're going to get their best shot, and if you're
not a hundred percent and you know you want to
be out there still, you're going to try to fight
through it like Jamal is. But I know he won
one hundred percent. I know getting them back there is
a big step being the Jamal that was throwing up
the triple doubles in the NBA finals.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
All Right, you're a big Jamal Murray guy, Jay MC,
how do you feel about the Nuggets and Jamal Murray
heading in the next season. Hopefully he gets healthy.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, I'm looking at the playoff numbers against Minnesota, eighteen
points per game, not great, shot forty percent from the field.
Against the Lakers he did win basically two games for them,
but he shot twenty nine percent from three.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Overall not great, but two big moments.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
A huge one.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
The Lakers were like, where was the bad Jamal Murray
when we needed a the midst of shots?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Otherwise, who knows? It is weird how the Nuggets have
crumbled quickly. Huh.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Sure, they won the title last year and it was like, Okay,
they're set up for a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
All their corps under thirty.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And now it's like, whoh, Porter, don't look great, Gordon's
going through off the court stuff, Jamal Murray's hurt, bench depleted. Shucks,
are they already passed by like the Minnesotas in dallases
of the world? And sure, I don't know, Man, I
like Jamal Murray. It was weird in the Olympics, like
I didn't hear about.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
This cat injury.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Most of it was like, hey, it's his contract, he
doesn't have a big deal. I mean, Canada could have
used a good Jamal Murray. They got bounced earlier than expected.
But uh, yeah, I'm rooting for man. He's a good player.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah, it's interesting the Western Conference as a whole, to
your point about how quickly it feels like this Nuggets
dynasty may have come to an end is you know,
that parody aspect that Adam Silver in the league has
sort of pushed for seems like that time has come.
In the West and the East. You saw of the Celtics,
who everyone knows is set up for success at least
for this next season and really probably another season after
(39:04):
that before the true salary cap implications start to clamp
down on them. But in the West, to your point,
it's like, Okay, the Thunder look really good, under t
Wolves look really good. The Nuggets should be really good.
I guess the Suns, the Mavericks. Like there's no one
to two clear cut teams that you're like, that team
is ready to win a title. Maybe the t Wolves,
(39:24):
maybe the Thunder. But I think people feel like they
need to really see it. Really promising what we saw
from the t Wolves this year, yeah, but obviously also
not great. What we saw from Rudy Gobert in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, kind of had to bench him. And then you know,
I guess we can't rule out the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
And then the Grizzlies get Ja Morant back, and you know, again,
I don't know that they're super contenders, but listen, they
were fifty wins fifty plus wins with.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
Jamar Sure, yeah, they're not very competitive team. I don't
know about the Warriors. I love Steph Curry, but.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Hey man, well the Lakers. How could we not talk
about Lebron? Got to mention Lebron at least.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
We were talking about how the Nuggets have fallen apart
in the Lakers, and I'm a Lakers fans, but like,
the Lakers couldn't even get past the Nuggets. So as
much as I'm a fan, and Anthony Davis and Lebron
James looked like two of the best players in the
world winning a gold medal, but uh yeah, the rest
of the rosters, it's tough, not promising.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
So Jerry Jones is not admitting it, obviously. But the Cowboys,
it's probably time to rebuild. And I know I opened
the show talking Cowboys probably need to rebuild and shouldn't
pay Dak and then I said the Steelers time to rebuild.
I made the mistake of going online during the commercial
break and I saw Steelers fans are irate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
How can we trade our best player?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Again, Dallas is probably gonna end up walking away from
their quarterback who was the runner up MVP and they
won twelve games each of the last three years. It's
just not good enough in the postseason. And so I
think Jerry ultimately has to move on.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
And I asked, I think it was Toshaun Jackson Australia.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Dude, when you lose to Jimmy Garoppolo in the playoffs
and Brock Purdy and Jordan Love and you've got the
higher priced, highly paid quarterback in Dak Prescott who hasn't
shown up in really any of the three games. I mean,
he had some garbage time stats. You've probably got to
make a decision, Jerry and move on. And the market
for Dak is gonna be fascinating. I don't think it's
(41:21):
gonna be as massive as everybody thinks.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
We shall see and listen.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
If the Raiders are as bad as Felika thinks they're
gonna be, they're gonna be drafted on a quarterback in
the top ten. So Dallas Pittsburgh, it's gonna be fun.
It's nice to see the Juggernauts taking a step back.
And it also ran like that Jets rising to the
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